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Monday, December 31, 2007
Phyllis Schlafly :: Townhall.com Columnist
College no prerequisite for many new careers
by Phyllis Schlafly
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U.S. News & World Report, which has made a name for itself by ranking and announcing the best colleges every year, is now ranking and listing the best careers for young people. A comparison of the latest lists shows a shocking disconnect and makes for dispiriting holiday reading.

While the price of a college education has skyrocketed far faster than inflation, many careers for which colleges prepare their graduates are disappearing. U.S. News' Best Careers guide concludes that "college grads might want to consider blue-collar careers" because bachelor's degree holders "are having trouble finding jobs that require college-graduate skills."

Incredibly, U.S. News is telling college graduates to look for jobs that do not require a college diploma. Among the 31 best opportunities for 2008 are the careers of firefighter, hairstylist, cosmetologist, locksmith, and security system technician.

Where did the higher-skill jobs go? Both large and small companies are "quietly increasing off-shoring efforts."

Ten years ago we were told we really didn't need manufacturing because it can be done more cheaply elsewhere, that auto workers and others should move to information age jobs. But now the information jobs are moving offshore, too, as well as marketing research and even many varieties of innovation.

The flight overseas includes professional as well as low-wage jobs, with engineering jobs offshored to India and China. Thousands of bright Asian engineers are willing to work for a fraction of U.S. wages, which is why Boeing just signed a 10-year, $1-billion-a-year deal with a government-run company in India.

Society has been telling high school students that college is the ticket to get a life, and politicians are pandering to parents' desire for their children to be better educated and so have a higher standard of living. Former U.S. Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., wants the taxpayers to guarantee every kid a college education, and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney says more education is the means for Americans to compete in a global economy.

But it doesn't make sense for parents to mortgage their homes, or for students to saddle themselves with long-term debt, in order to pay overpriced college tuition to prepare for jobs that no longer exist. Tuition at public universities has risen an unprecedented 51 percent over the past five years.

President George W. Bush calls the loss of U.S. jobs "the pinch some of you folks are feeling." I guess his words are designed to show his "compassionate conservatism," but the reality is far more than a pinch.

U.S. News offers this advice for the nerds who still spend five to six years earning an engineering degree despite increasingly grim prospects of a well-paid engineering career: "Look for government work." Or maybe you can be an "off-shoring manager" and be part of the process of shipping your fellow graduates' jobs overseas.

A Duke University spokesman said that 40 percent of Duke's engineering graduates cannot get engineering jobs. A Duke University publication suggests that the best prospect for good engineering jobs is for the U.S. government to start another major project like going to the moon.

U.S. News warns us that "government is becoming an employer of choice."

Corporations are getting leaner, but government can continue to pay good salaries, with lots of vacation days, sick leave, health insurance and retirement benefits, because government rakes in more tax revenue in good times and can raise taxes in bad times; and if the Democrats win in 2008, we can expect government to expand even more.

Presidential candidates have gotten the message from grass-roots Americans that we want our borders closed to illegal immigrants. Headlines now proclaim "Immigration Moves to Front and Center of GOP Race" and "GOP Candidates Hold Fast on Immigration at Debate."

But Republican Party candidates haven't yet gotten the message that jobs are just as big a gut issue as immigration. The Wall Street Journal/NBC News survey conducted Dec. 14-17 reports that, by 58 percent to 28 percent, Americans believe globalization is bad because it subjects U.S. companies and employees to unfair competition and cheap labor.

Where are the limited-government fiscal-conservatives when we need them to refute the notion that the best an engineering graduate can hope for is a job with the government? Are fiscal-conservatives too busy chanting the failed mantra of "free trade" even though it has resulted in millions of good U.S. jobs being shipped overseas?

When are we going to call a halt to the way globalism is destroying U.S. jobs by foreign currency manipulation, theft of our intellectual property, shipping us poisonous seafood and toys, and unfair trade agreements that allow foreign subsidies (through the so-called Value Added Tax) to massively discriminate against U.S. producers and workers?

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Phyllis Schlafly is a national leader of the pro-family movement, a nationally syndicated columnist and author of Feminist Fantasies.
 
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Discrimination against US workers
If anyone were to take the time to read the chat boards on Monster.com, one would see the difficulty Americans have in getting jobs: especially Americans over 40.

No one seems to mention this, but when foreign companies come over here and open offices, they hire foreign nationals from their own countries.

It is therefor disinginuious when cheerleaders for Globalism claim that foreign businesses are creating jobs here: because they are not creating jobs for American workers.

My brother, a software designer, is working for a Japanese corporation located on the East Coast. But he is one of the few Americans who work there, and although he has worked there many years, the Japanese workers are still preferred over him.

I worked last Spring for an entertainment company in the Los Angeles area, and most of the employees were foreign national, in spite of the fact that there are many many Americans out of work in my industry.

Globalism is more insideous than sending jobs over seas, or the hiring of illegal aliens.

I am not certain about the motives for the people who seem to want to destroy the American middle class, but I suspect it is happening because those with the power simply don't care.

These jet-setters have investments and capital all over the globe. So what if the American dollar is swirling the bowl, and the major cities are starting to look like third world countries?

They live in gated communities and sit in the back of limosines. They don't have to drive through the blighted areas.

College degrees and employment
One of the problems with getting a job these days is that most of the employers are requiring that you have a Bachelor's Degree before they will even talk to you.

It seems that experience is not longer an asset in the eyes of corporate Human Resourses departments.

Going back to school and retraining to please them is not necessarily going to help. I have been back in college for the last 2 1/2 years, and already I am hearing rumors that those jobs might be outsourced as well.

Should I spend the rest of my life chasing career after career, with no hope of ever getting a decent job again?

I was one of the best at the job I used to do, and my skill can be applied to many related jobs, but the corporations are looking younger, with a degree, and 3 years experience.

Human Resources has become mechanized and filled with robot-like bureaucrats that don't know anything about the positions they are hireing for.

If a youngster asked me if she should stay in school, I would say "yes," but I would be hard pressed to advise her as to which career might be available.

I would definately tell her to learn several foreign languages, because who knows if she will be able to work in this country.

fear mongering
I cannot go along with this fear mongering. I don't believe that Indians have to be confined to a lifetime of growing rice and that only native U.S. workers are entitled to IT jobs. I'm a software engineer and I can attest that while my company has endured many stressful transitions, especially in 2002 that we have managed to grow and thrive since then. My company has hired native U.S. workers (including over 40), H1-B Indians/Chinese and yes, offshore engineers. Each of us have a niche and co-operate as a team ie. we are not competitors.

According to EE times the median engineer salary is $82k. I believe in an open job market but I do believe that the recent increase in college tuition is very dubious. The college tuition increases do not feel like a free market. I wish Congress would investigate that and leave the oil companies alone.

Education vs Training
There is a difference between education and training. If your son wants to be a historian, he is going to have to go to college and graduate school. If your daughter wants to be a cosmetologist, a job training course will be fine. No stigma. Our lives depend on our auto mechanics more often than they do on brain surgeons. We should get rid of the notion that all kids need to go to college because then we end up with kids not suited to higher education and the whole business has to be watered down to accommodate everybody.

Some kids (and some adults) hunger to spend twelve years in the library or the lab and are willing to live like bums and put themselves in hock for many years to come in order to prepare themselves for their work. Let them do it, and send them CARE packages when you can, because they are the torch-bearers of civilization. The kid who wants to be a surgeon or a scientist is willing to put up with no money and no sleep all the way to the horizon. God bless him.

But the kid who is focused on GETTING A JOB and is not especially in love with knowledge, any kind of knowledge, may do well to open a U-Haul franchise. Why not? It's honorable work. Scholarship is a demanding master, and it's not for everybody.

Future Bureaucrats.
Holy Mother of God, we’re doomed! Let me see if I have this straight? We’re offering government financed formulas for over priced ivory tower protectionism, only to provide staff for government institutions.

You can forget about free enterprise. These grant funded, scholarship sponsored, whiney wimps are regulators in waiting, future bureaucrats. Oh no, please, not more self absorbed nannies on the dole.

There must be a reasonably paying occupation around here somewhere. Where did I leave my self respect? Oh yea, I didn’t get a degree. I’m just a “professor”, not encumbered by insubstantial letters.


I agree
Completely agree with Phyllis Schlafly. And I thought I'd never write those words, but on this issue, she's completely right.

The decision-makers in government and corporations had better heed Teddy Roosevelt's words:

"This country will not be a good place for any of us to live in unless we make it a good place for all of us to live in."

College no prerequisite for many....
Unfortunately, Phyllis Schlafly is correct. As an engineer laid off at 45, I can attest that the job market for older engineers is very thin. At least I recognized this when I was laid off and headed down a new career path. The market has shifted and the only choice we have is to adapt.

It doesn't matter if you have a child with diabetes that requires a large amount of medical care - your are not going to find any private insurance to cover them or if you have any health issues yourself.

What is most irritating to me is that on a regular basis you read about Bill Gates wringing his hands a worrying about the availability of technology workers. He is a constant cheerleader for your people to choose a career in tech. I have quite a few relatives who send their children to me for my opinion about engineering work. I flat out tell them, do not get a degree in engineering. Start your own business, become a dentist or doctor - just do something else.

The work that you have to put in to get an engineering degree is not worth it. Your only hope in engineering is to move into management. And we all know the opportunities there are much reduced.

The Coming Populist Revolt

It is coming. Learn from history folk - the Granger movement, the Know Nothings and even the Klan -- all of that evolved (quite rapidly) out of a set of similar circumstances.

History does repeat itself - big business and the "trusts" ruled things in the late 19th Century and there were populist revolts.

We are on the cusp of another one, and it will be every bit as zenophobic and racist and downright mean as the last one, or the one before that that....

College an expensive J O K E!!!!

Sorry folk, but between the political correctness and the sad excuse for scholarship and the general status of the tenured radical faculty, college is noting more than an expensive joke.

College no longer is a finishing school where the social graces are taught to young men and ladies. (These social graces had/have real marketable skills...)

College no longer teaches the greatness of Western Civilization. Humanities and such had a marketable value in that an educated person had perspective.

College no longer teaches the basics of good grammar or the like - college graduates have less basic skills than the 8th Grade Graduate of a century ago.

College no longer builds character or refines principles -- kids who parrot back the professor's pablum do far better than those who actually stand for something and force the professor to actually teach.

College today is a joke. Most students are working 2-3 jobs to pay for it and fall asleep in classes. The so-called "education outside the classroom" no longer exists in the politically correct gulags that no longer may be called dorms (they are 'residence halls' now.)

It is a joke.

I have to agree
my husband has lost a series of jobs since '94, he was one of the best in his field which is very specialized. He came up the hard way, from the bottom, no college but loads of common sense and talent that got him into management. He made
a point of learning every aspect of his job and the product. However, son and heir of owner was greedy, hired a carpetbagger,
oops I mean consultant who took that company for
a bumpy ride..after he got rid of my husband who
steadily built the business for almost 30 yrs., ran the main plant and two satelites. Husband started two competitors but after the last job 7 years ago he's had difficulty. No one wants an older worker no matter how skilled, especially without that piece of paper. He made a career change recently, got ordained into the ministry.
My youngest son, homeschooled for 10 years, went to local public college, got his degree and has opened a small business. Decided after watching what business did to his Dad, he wanted to be in control of his working life. He's got dreams.
His wife is embarrassed by his choice of work,
she's also a college grad. but one of those
educated snobs but isn't working with her degree either.
The best thing any young person can do, is get a trade or small business and forget college. We
also know people who have the paper but aren't
working in their field.

Globalism or Education
While I am opposed to globalism as now practiced by the US, I believe this article is more of an indictment of most American University systems and their ability to educate in a technological age. To indeed, educate at all. The funny thing about businessmen is they want the best they can get for the money. This automatically eliminates most non-technically educated in America.

To Pirate
The populist revolt is coming? My God, it is here. Read townhall. You can't miss it. Posters despise education, schools, teachers, colleges, universities, professors, degrees, qualifications, licensures, requirements, literacy in general, and anything else they can call "elite". The dream is to live in a small town, own a small business, drive a big car, belong to a big church, and shoot a big gun---also, pay no taxes and have a child in the miltary. There's nothing else. You can totally forget "The love of learning/ The sequester'd nooks/ And all the sweet serenity of books". They understand job training. They do not understand education. They cannot conceive what purpose it might serve.

Can Anyone Explain...
I understand that cheap illegal immigrant labor has been a boon to American companies so, whether you are for it or against it, it is easy to understand why some companies want this labor: it's cheap. What I don't understand is at the other end of the labor scale---physicians. Are American kids no longer applying to medical schools? Are they not being admitted? What? Because in every hospital I know of, a HUGE number of the doctors are foreign-born. They may have been here for years and speak perfect English---although quite often neither is true--- and have passed all the necessary requirements, but they are not from Ohio or California or New York or Florida, they are from Yemen or Peru or Nepal or Ghana. And when university alumni magazines arrive in the mail and have a list of the latest medical school class members or the new crop of medical residents, about 2/3 of the names are unpronouncable. This is a mystery to me. What has happened to American doctors? And I am not talking about medically underserved areas---I am talking about major cities. Can anyone illuminate this?

cchuba - Say What?!!!
cchuba writes: Monday, December, 31, 2007 9:37 PM
"fear mongering
I cannot go along with this fear mongering. I don't believe that Indians have to be confined to a lifetime of growing rice and that only native U.S. workers are entitled to IT jobs."
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I think you have it backwards, kid.

The East Indians have all the IT jobs and the U.S. workers are being expected to go back to school and learn how to empty bed pans.

Growing Rice sounds better than changing grandma's poopy diapers.

lilly- foreign doctors
Why are there no American doctors?

Ya got me!!!!!

Where I live, there are very few Americans of any job category.

Sometimes I think the Rapture happened, and I was the one Left Behind.

Tea Party
I think employers don't care what your degree is in, as long as you have one.

From my experience, they don't even care if a person knows what they are doing, as long as they went to an important school, know the right people and have, as you say, that piece of paper.

I have found it frustrating to start over, like your husband.

The most important thing I have found is to keep up my network, and try to establish more aquaintances in my industry.

This has been more helpful to me than anything I can do to try and please HR.

I have a few odd freelance jobs I am working on now, thanks to my friends who recommend me, and a girlfriend who is attempting to start her own business.

I may never make the kind of money I used to, but I should be able to get by, as long as I never hope to retire.

The economy is not what it was, and the Globalism cheerleaders can't convince me otherwise until I see that there are plenty of decent jobs for those of us who are capable of doing them.

FALL OF THE AMERICAN EMPIRE !!
I saw a special on Wendy's, McDonald's, Jac n the Box and some other fast food names and watched how the franchisees were experimenting with outsourcing the drive through order taker jobs.

One call center was in Kentucky and then management was talking about outsourcing these low paying order taker jobs to India but they said it would not make sense now because although it would be dirt cheap for them...the customers might not come back because of the language barrier...

In todays paper I read where barren women are now turning to Indian women to be surrogate mothers for their children...the title was something like...Outsourcing the Womb !!

College REALY isn't for everyone PART 1
I regret going to college. My parents were both teachers. One was even a college professor. I was raised with a "you MUST go to college" mantra drilled into my head from day one. I was raised to believe that there was something "less than" about people who had to wash their hands after a days work.

Unfortunately I was always the tinkering, making, fixing stuff type. My parents do not know where I got it from as my dad could literally not hang a picture on a wall.

It engages me completely to actually make or fix something and it always has. I went to college, but my heart was NEVER in it. The only stuff that stuck with me I could learn today from watching the Discovery channel. I hate the type of work that a basic bachelors degree sets me up for. I hate paper pushing officey "professional" type work.

I've flitted from this to that, eventually migrating to more technical, handy work type stuff in audio/video production after a short stint as a teacher. I absolutely hated teaching. The first year was fun, but by the second year, I just realy felt like I was baby sitting with lots of tedious paperwork as a bonus. Not to mention the pointless, boring meetings and workshops selling the latest and greatest "new concepts" in educating! Talk about falling asleep in your chair.

The degree has actually hindered me at times when I've attempted to apply for work that "college grads" just don't do. Unfortunately, they were jobs I would have liked to do.

I would have been MUCH better off today had my parents not filled me with "blue collar fright" and raised me to have a complex about being someone who actually likes to work with their hands.

College REALY isn't for everyone PART 2
I would have been much better served going to a trade school straight out of high school. I'd be happier today, I'd like my work and my work options much more and I'd make more as an electrician or equipment maintenance man than I can make in these wonderful "college degree" jobs.

I see formal trade school coming to me in the near future.

I don't know how blue collar jobs came to be equated with "dummy" as my mother raised me to believe. My father was book smart yet had absolutely NO common sense and NO actual abilities. I tell you, I don't know how he got through a day in the real world. He didn't actually know how to DO anything.

Nothing. He could tell you all about the French Revolution but he always had to get me or hire people to do the most mundane things for him. My brother, who is a corporate lawyer is the same way.

He calls me constantly for MY ADVICE! He is incapable of even putting together a simple device or structure if it comes in more than two pieces! If he gets a flat, he'll sit on the highway for three hours waiting for his auto club to come and put his spare on, as he doesn't even know how to change a tire! Or I get a call.

Funny thing is my dad and brother are both straight. I'm not. So much for stereotypes.

Now. If we can keep the illegals from filling the kinds of jobs I like to do, things should be looking up for folks geared like me.

Classical Education
College was never meant to fit you to earn a living. College is meant to fit you to live. If you want to drink beer and chase women and march in the streets, you can do that after working hours at the gas station or when you have completed the paperwork at the car rental place, or when your last xerox repair call is made for the day.

Careers that require an education in reading, writing, thinking, research, intelligent convrsation, money management, currency conversion and being able to carry on a conversation with any group of people you happen to be thrown together with (for example, when stuck on a train for two hours due to the inability of large numbers of people to understand the importance of International Borders, Visa Requirements, or having an explanation for the $15,000 worth of various currencies they have in their duffle bags).

My job is legal secretary and it requires all the skills I acquired during the four years of my classical education, plus language skills acquired on the fly meanwhile. The skills my sister learned in secretarial school are obsolete as equipment has taken over most of the duties the old fashioned secretary used to do. Instead of renting a car for the boss in the neighbourhood, now we have to rent a car in The Hague, and it helps a lot to know that the compact cars are very tiny and they are probably stick shift to boot. Expense accounts are going to be tendered in Euros or British Pounds; clients are going to need specialized attention and documents are going to need preparation in French, Spanish, Italian or Dutch. The website that contains the vital information about who now owns the company that made the part that failed on that oil platform off the coast of Scotland may be in German.

As for hairdressers and cosmetoligists, my hippie sister left the nursing profession to be a hairdresser and she has found that there is no money in it for a person in late middle age. \

No Doctors?
It's called Malpractice Suits....see John Edwards.

It is a Propaganda Success
that a person needs a college education to succeed.

Today in many cases all that a college education can tell about a person is that can endure nonsense for four years.

Too many people have a stake in the success of this propaganda for it to change much.

There was once a day colleges and universities sold an education, now all they can sell is status.

But even before that there was once a day when character was valued more than an education.

Whas that?

Get the Lead out
We have raised generations with lead paint all around us. I've had my belly full of environmentalists who let their kids eat their toys.

JimP
Don't forget that the people who do the hiring at the corporations went to these colleges and were brainwashed into believing that people with degrees are better than those without them.

Meanwhile, great businessmen like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Steve Wozniak did just fine, thank you, after dropping out of college.

Unfortunately, the great men who started these companies eventually either retire or pass away. They are replaced with MBAs that were brainwashed in the Universities, and besides, they have all of their buddys who went to school with them to hire.

Cronyism is a terrible blight on American corporations, and these once great institutions are filled with people who do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, except go to meetings that resemble a college government meeting, and accomplish nothing.

Sometimes these corporations are set up very well and are therefore very durable. They will take countless instances of mismanagement without apparant harm. But these poor managers are like termites eating away at your ship of state. Eventually it will sink.

This doesn't help the people who are good workers, because they end up going down with the ship.

The poor managers keep enough around so they have someone to blame for their own faults.

A CONSUMER VIEW OF COLLEGE
When will American parents and taxpayers take a consumer view of college education and demand value for their money?

Most Americans do their homework and shop around before buying buying big ticket items. They instinctively buy the cheapest products available for many purposes. They feel no obligation to buy American made products from the Old Time Family Store that has been on Main Street, USA, since the turn of the last century.

Why should college be treated differently? Too many people opt for "snob appeal" in education. The result is scores of younger adults who are deep in debt because they have financial aid debts to pay off. Almost all financial aid programs require students to assume gargantuan long term debt. Inevitably, I believe it's a safe bet that many of these people, if they marry, will either never have children or limit themselves to one child.

The typical college campus is a sprawling complex of buildings, large and small, that require maintenance. A typical campus is a mini-welfare state with building and grounds maintenance, bureaucracy, food service, health services, police/security, and residence halls. The cost is inevitably passed along to the consumer (students and their parents).

Community colleges keep down costs because they are commuter colleges that don't have costs associated with traditional residential colleges. Typically, two or more departments share a building. In addition, it is said that the professors are paid only for the hours they work. As a community college graduate myself, I might add that in the community college I attended, the professors, even Ph.D.s, had to be real teachers. Any help they had was clerical.



Forests and trees...
Phyllis has a trees and forest problem. This isn't the first time she's promoted protectionism as a cure for personal economic ills in the US. What she misses is the fact that most of the economic problems that ordinary people face are caused by sectors of the US economy taking her advice. Too many industries and professions are all about preserving their corporate and individual lifestyles and not about operating efficiency and lower costs.

For example, medical costs have gone up at the most conservative estimate by more than 70% since 2001. This is in spite of the fact that your doctor sends you out for an MRI the chances are excellent that your doctor outsources the diagnosis to a specialist in Bombay. I would suggest that you don't hold your breath expecting him to pass along even part of the savings to you.

It's little things and big things. I took my son in for a bit of blood work after a doctor's visit. The lab, part of our local community hospital, had printed him out a full page of stickers for the collection tubes, about 60. In fact, the lab drew exactly one vial of blood. The other 59 went into the waste basket.

Our economy is chock-full with inefficient, wasteful sectors. Most of them are local monopolies. Take for example, broadband providers. You basically have no choice in basic providers and the last mile of your connection in my neighborhood is over copper cables installed in the early 1960's. I pay about $30/month for 1.2 bps download (sold as 1.5). In Korea, for that kind of money I'd be getting 10-20 bps.

I could go on, but meh, it's not worth the time. Until we start making economic choice real and break up local monopolies, we're going to continue to suffer from the effects of a gridlocked economy most parts of which demand special treatment in shrill voices like Phyllis'.


It is time to break the "college cartel"
It is a well known fact that many jobs and careers do not require a college education. However, many employers miss out on suitable candidates because they want to see that "piece of paper". A good example is that of a person with years of experience in an administrative position {which is deemed "temporary") due to the lack of a degree. More often than not, the experienced person is forced to "train" a college graduate with no experience.
On another note, colleges should be required to state what "credits" they will accept and from which institutions of "higher learning" qualify for transfer credits. There was a bill that woud have required this, but was defeated with help from the college lobby.
I personally know of a person who was denied credit for knowledge of a foreign language although he could speak and write it fluently.
The University that denied him credit is a nationally known institution.
Another college racket is the college textbook industry. I have personally taken courses for which a certain textbook was required; however, upon taking the course, the textbook was not even being used.
When college "student aid" goes up, so does tuition. It would seem that thes "institutions of higher learning could take some of the money earned by the "professional sports farm teams" to help lower tuition rates.

job loss
Many of the employers were taxed out of business and their jobs were taxed out of existence. For this, you can blame government, such as the democrats who greatly increased federal business taxes in 1990 to hurt the people and make them angry with President bush 41. It worked and we got eight years of Slick Willy.
In 1991, PA's democrat politicians passed "Governor Casey's Highest State Business Taxes in the Nation",which destroyed much of PA's business and industry. They did this knowing full well how much damage this would do, having seen the effect of the 1990 federal taxes.

for lilly
lilly writes: "What I don't understand is at the other end of the labor scale---physicians. Are American kids no longer applying to medical schools?"

Yep.
Because medicine is no longer viewed as a highly profitable and fun career, what with malpractice insurance premiums, insurance company red tape, threats by politicians to institute socialized medicine, etc.

The "best and the brightest" of our young people with interest in biology go into biotechnology or pharmaceutical research.

It's an example of how cultural attitudes have changed: When I was a kid, everybody respected the "Marcus Welby" stereotype of a doctor. Doctors were also considered to be the most eligible bachelors--every mom wanted her daughter to marry a doctor.

Today, doctors are viewed less as demigods and more as glorified plumbers.

for Ron
Ron writes: "Many of the employers were taxed out of business and their jobs were taxed out of existence."

It's partly that. But it's also the fact that American corporations are drowning in health insurance premiums.

America has the highest per capita health care costs of any Western nation, and much of that cost is carried by private companies.

In Europe, government health care takes that burden off of large corporations, enabling them to lower their operating costs. The tradeoff is that the taxes to fund that government health care program has the effect of discouraging small business and entrepreneurship. So it tends to preserve the big corporations at the expense of small business.

So the other posters have it right: The way the system is gamed here in America, you are MUCH better off starting your own business than ever working for someone else.

Because capitalism
is dynamic, it is constantly changing. Students today may be in the future in jobs we just don't know anything about currently.

This constantly changing job situation speaks for a classic education, learning to learn.

This dynamic capitalism speaks to a need for present day workers to be ready to retrain. We all need to be learners and adapters.

Schlafly Pity Party
"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life..."

Let's all feel sorry for those duped into thinking that college prepares you for a job. For all of those college educated men and women of leisure, did you ever ask your employer what you could do to add value? If you sincerely did and sincerely tried and still got laid off, I sincerely do feel badly for you. If not, grow up. Life is hard and unfair and business does always come down to money. No adequately run company is ever going to lay off a producer - someone who makes or regularly saves money for a company. Yes, there are poorly run companies that lay people off in the mistaken hope of saving money but do you really want to work for them?

Hey, want a real education? Try starting a business. Walk a few feet in another man's shoes (business owners) and I'm positive that you'll stop feeling sorry for yourself.

Education
Solid education in all areas has been devalued by our largely public system. The consequence is that the ever growing inventive and quick witted genius pool at the leading edge of our economy has been lost to overseas newcomers who understand the importance of true knowledge.

To regain the lead we must consider privatizing education from the cusp. We must reinvent ourselves. We were great once. We can be again.

Tsk tsk, Mountain Rose
Sorry, but "Growing Rice sounds better than changing grandma's poopy diapers" doesn't sound like a philosophy that will please today's politicians.

Today's politicians all promise more skilled, more caring nursing home workers, AND more of them. SOMEONE is going to have to prefer changing grandma's poopy diapers to growing rice.

Please don't say that today's politicians are just saying stuff that sounds good to the ignorant voters. Today's politicians all really, really care. (Though there's probably not ONE of them willing to change anyone's poopy diaper.)

Growing older and getting smarter
During 2000 and 2001, I recognized an upcoming recession in the semiconductor manufacturing industry because my consulting business began dropping like a rock and customers for my books began to disappear - the first things to go "bye-bye" as large manufacturing companies start to cut back on expenses.

In the fall of 2001, at age 56, I took my engineering and math degrees and got a job teaching algebra in high school. I then got my teaching certificate (2005) and will receive my Masters in Education this next May - both while working full-time.

Most of what Phyllis says is true; however, that doesn't mean that ALL jobs for us trained professionals will disappear. Sometimes we need to just change our focus.

OK, I am not still receiving my $70,000 per year income teaching high school (far less actually). However, in the mean time, an epiphany has re-directed my life and I am pursuing it. And I am the better for it.

Bottom line? Don't hesitate to make changes - and don't be afraid to pursue your dream.

Chuckie B -- Yes
May I add, be a lifelong learner?
At 54 I received my MS in CIS, which resulted in a change of career and location that has been very good to me. My break was a matter of luck as I didn't see the tech bubble coming but when it did I happened to be in the right place, at the right time, and with the right credentials because I kept learning.

Lifelong learning will be extremely important in the future because of the pace of change in the world.

Thanks for a good post.

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chuckie b. writes:
Tuesday, January, 01, 2008 11:36 AM


Bottom line? Don't hesitate to make changes - and don't be afraid to pursue your dream.

chuckie b has it right
Chuckie b has found that not all jobs are exportable. He also has recognized that the global economy is not going to change by political process to bring back anything.

So, if you have to compete for a living, go find out how and don't wait for some political leader to take care of your future. That can't really happen.


She's right
In South Carolina we adopted the German system of technical schools in the 1960s. If you didn't really have what it took to go to college you could go to a TEC school and get trained to be an electrition, plumber, nurse, mechanic, bookkeeper or any number of jobs. Over the years our TEC schools have taken on the task of being somewhat like junior colleges, which I think is not the best idea. But they work. The maxim is ........ everyone doesn't need to go to college to become a productive and prosperous citizen.

College
Two other points deserve discussion:

1. Most college grads pick the wrong field of study and job hop to many other careers unrelated to their major.

2. Many futurists now say as many as 9 out of 10 jobs in the next 10 years don't exist today.

Colleges have a golden opportunity to offer better value if they will allow customized programs that best fit the student. Unfortunately, too many colleges are run by professors unwilling to change.

To Mountain Rose : growing rice
East Indians are able to compete in the IT industry because we have an open market. The only way we can keep them out is to consign them to poor agricultural jobs by closing our job market. That's not fair, Indians living in the U.S. have the same cost of living as I do so I do not feel threatened by them. According to the Gartner group the average Software company has 30% of its staff overseas which means that 70% are native Americans.

Regarding U.S. engineers tending bed pans this is a myth. http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/medhhinc.html
The median income (inflation adjusted) has remained fairly steady over the past several years. If PhD scientists were really being forced to become greeters at Walmart then the median income would have collapsed by over 50%.

Fear is a bad thing.

Since when is
the purpose of "higher education" to become a productive and prosperous citizen?

Knowledge is our *right*. What right does the government or Wal-mart have to dictate what who should learn?

"The maxim is ........ everyone doesn't need to go to college to become a productive and prosperous citizen."

No one needs to go to college for that. People need to go to college to increase their knowledge. People go to GRADE SCHOOL to become productive and prosperous citizens.

" East Indians are able to compete in the IT industry because we have an open market. The only way we can keep them out is to consign them to poor agricultural jobs by closing our job market. "
And the down side to this is...?
As you pointed out.. it's OUR job market. What right do they have to access it? Since when did India create a Constitution, guarantee its citizens a republican form of government, and join the Union?

"The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be lighted." -- Plutarch.

Poetic Justice
"It's partly that. But it's also the fact that American corporations are drowning in health insurance premiums.

America has the highest per capita health care costs of any Western nation, and much of that cost is carried by private companies."

Serves them right for offering "benefits" instead of paying their employees what the job rates. They thought they had a good scam going to spend less money on labor, til it came around to bite them in the arse.

Pay me what the job rates and I'll worry about my own health care.

end the college cartel
It is a fact that a "college degree" is not an indicator of how well a person will do in the "real world".
A good example is a long-time employee who is placed in a temporary administrative position only to find out that he must train some "snot nosed kid" to do the job that he is presently doing. His lack of a degree is seen a making him "unqualified" for the job.
As a successful business person, I look at a college degree as an impediment in some cases. The air of superiority that some degree holders possesses is uncalled for and quite often can be a turn-off at job interviews.
One reason for using a degree as a gatekeeper is to minimize the cost to the employer. Another reason is that in many cases, today's college education is equivalent to a high school education of fifty years ago. All one has to do is obtain a set of "McGuffy's Readers" to see that today's college students would have trouble with the last three books in the series.
Another aspect to dismantling the college cartel is transferability of credits. Nothing cheats a student more than arbitrary decisions that are made by these institutions of "higher learning" regarding credits achieved at other institutions. A personal friend of mine who speaks and writes fluent German was denied credit towards a "second language" requirement by one of these "esteemed institutions". Money was the determining factor in this case. The universities need warm bodies for the tuition.
Last, but not least is the practice of raising tuition rates whenever the "student aid" formula is increased. Let the major league feeder sports teams finance the colleges, not the students.

You kinda have to be there...
That was a saving line for many a story gone bad, but also an idea for job security in today's world. Nothing worked out worse than the insistance of government training programs that "computer skills" would lift the former blue collar guy/gal into a better life style. Now, with instantaneous connectivity a programmer/analyst who once could command 6 figures is in intantaneous competition with someone in India who considers 30K a kingly fortune. On the other hand, until we have remote controlled robots to do it, the plumber can still demand 60 bucks and hour plus expenses. If you are going to put in a new toilet you kinda have to be there.

Dumb Americans
Shout embrace globalism. Just so happens the same people are devalueing the dollar and shipping our jobs to other countries.
Yet we keep electing the same boobs to office. We have grown custom the lies and practices of the eleite

The jobscape is different now
Many people can't do basic things for themselves such as change oil or do simple car repairs, fix a leaking a faucet, lay tile or pavers, deal with HVAC issues, etc... Its a great time time to get into the trades, but be aware that you will be working at least 60 hours per week, taxed to death, and counted among "the rich and lucky" who have "unfair advantages". You become a piggy bank for bureaucratic piggies.

A college education does not mean what it did even 25 years ago. Higher education itself has become a self-serving big business, and is increasingly being exposed as such. I notice some NJ universities trying to get their greedy paws in on the trades, as if their name (Rutgers, the Wal-Mart of education, is one) somehow adds credibility to trades that have been just fine since their inceptions.

After my daughter finishes high school, I plan to go overseas and work with girls who are rescued from sex trafficking. My daughter wants to go into international law and help middle eastern girls and women. I've had it with limousine liberals, the herds of fat and demanding "poor" raised and fed by the limousine liberals, corrupt social "services" (that employ otherwise unemployable loads at top dollar), the "education" cess pool of parasites and pseudo-intellectuals, and the incessant pillaging of hard working people for "the children". We don't need more social workers- we need standards and the promotion personal responsibility, which isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Offshoring of Jobs
CP-BY-Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review.

At a time when even the Wall Street Journal has disappeared into the maw of a huge media conglomerate, the New York Times remains an independent newspaper. But it doesn’t show any independence in reporting or in thought.

The Times issued a mea culpa for letting its reporter, Judith Miller, misinform readers about Iraq, thus helping the neoconservatives set the stage for their invasion. Now the Times’ reporting on Iran seems to be repeating the mistake. After the US commits another act of naked aggression by bombing Iran, will the Times publish another mea culpa?

The Times editorials also serve as conduits for propaganda. On August 13, a Times editorial jumped on China for “irresponsible threats” that threaten free trade. The Times’ editorialists do not understand that the offshoring of American jobs, which the Times mistakenly thinks is free trade, is a far greater threat to America than a reminder from the Chinese, who are tired of US bullying, that China is America’s banker.

READ MORE


http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/offshoring-of-jobs

American Economy: R.I.P. ?
CP-FROM Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review.

The US economy continues its slow death before our eyes, but economists, policymakers, and most of the public are blind to the tottering fabled land of opportunity.

In August jobs in goods-producing industries declined by 64,000. The US economy lost 4,000 jobs overall. The private sector created a mere 24,000 jobs, all of which could be attributed to the 24,100 new jobs for waitresses and bartenders. The government sector lost 28,000 jobs.

In the 21st century the US economy has ceased to create jobs in export industries and in industries that compete with imports. US job growth has been confined to domestic services, principally to food services and drinking places (waitresses and bartenders), private education and health services (ambulatory health care and hospital orderlies), and construction (which now has tanked). The lack of job growth in higher productivity, higher paid occupations associated with the American middle and upper middle classes will eventually kill the US consumer market.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/american-economy-r ip


Or do it my way!!!

Maybe it wouldn’t work these days, but back in the 50s, in my case at least, they hired me for what I could do, not for my education.

I must have had the greatest 50 professors during my two years in High School, my only formal education. I milked 50 of them morning and night, then 10 years later, after spending my 18th birthday on a troopship in the harbor at Singapore, I found myself at the RAND Corp., teaching rooms full of PhDs of various stripes, and other college graduates, what a computer was, how to use it, and how to program it.

And as you sit there with your little laptop in your lap, just remember that one of the early computers I was an “expert” on weighted 250 tons, yes tons, had 40 to 50,000 radio tubes, and filled a four story building. Your laptop is most likely 2,000,000 times as fast as that computer, the AN/FSQ-7. Look it up on Google.

Well, since only a couple of colleges or universities had a computer they could teach about, those cows knew as much about computers as most college graduates those days.

But I better add, that after working with those PhDs on all kinds of projects, traveling around the country with them to conduct special training courses, my plane ticket and hotel reservation saying Dr. Humberd, I was told that I would never amount to anything at RAND without a college degree.

So I went elsewhere, retired from computers at the age of 50, and traveled the world with my Beautiful Sweetie.

In 1951 I won my Sweetie, and no diploma or peace treaty would ever be worth as much as that Marriage License!

jim
Sometimes, you put us to shame....

This total CR*P I hear about a degree being necessary to get ahead gets me so mad!! I have told my kids, 12, 10, and 8, that college is not a "must" like it was in my family. My mom's head started to rotate when I told her that college is AN option, not THE option!! I want my kids to be a mechanic, a plumber, and a refrigeration specialist.

I'll be set for life!! HAHAHAHA!!!

BTW, thanks for the e-mail. I go to your site at least three times a week! AND, I'm holding you up as an example to my hubby!!

Imagination is all I have left
YLG writes: Tuesday, January, 01, 2008 4:18 PM
jim
Sometimes, you put us to shame....
--------

Well YLG, no shame was intended, and no bragging either. Well I guess if you can get to within a couple of months of 80, and your only problem is eightyitis, or fatigue syndrome, it ain’t bragging if you actually did it.

That web site of mine that you visit three times a week, has about 80 pages about my Computer Memories. I didn’t say Computer History, just Computer Memories, and there may be a difference.

Now YLG, let me warn you ahead of time. When you send me a comment, to either compliment or to criticize, I really do want your honest opinion.

I know my stories and photos are best in my biased opinion, I need to know your unbiased opinion, quickly.

And by the way, if you have to hold your Hubby up, maybe he is in worse shape than I am. I would suggest you hold me up or down or sideways, but I can’t remember why I would want to do that.

Oh I misread that, you are holding me up in your imagination, but that’s OK. Imagination is all I have left of some very important things I loved to do in the past.

Three times a week at http://www.travel-tidbits.com/ is the minimum prescribed for good health.

jim
TOO FUNNY!!!

Actually, your stories are great: I haven't found one to criticize yet. All of your travels remind me of my travels, and have helped to jog my memory. I told you I have started to compile everything in a blank book, and so far have managed to fill almost all of it.

That's just the first two years of marriage!!

Thanks for being a great role model and inspiration!!

Thanks Phyllis!
Not only do you speak the absolute truth, but you knew what was going to happen before it did and no one wanted to listen.

tj
I have to admit that my dad did not care to employ college graduates as much as he did others who had not gone to college. The main reason was those who had not gone to college were more willingly to do things as dad wanted them done. The college grads always figured they knew more then dad and hence did not want to do things his way.

Agreed
Not every person is meant to attend college, being a fireman or a blue collar worker are honorable and worthwhile jobs. The people that are capable and do go to college should be able to find work and not have to compete with foreign workers making money for companies profitting here in America. Companies that outsource overseas should be taxed heavily in my opinion.
Frankly, our kids and even adults who go back to school are confronted with a real problem that greedy corporations, lousy leaders and our own laziness seem to breed.....

The problem with this column...........

......is that Phylis is soft pedaling the larger issue. I guess that is necessary. You have to lead the masses by the nose, one baby step at a time.

What's on the horizon is a completely downgraded U.S.A. You move the work overseas and leave the service jobs and administrative jobs here to go along with the BOSSES. The boss as far as you know is a well paid private sector bureaucrat. He keeps the troops in line and you will feel like you work for McDope-nalds. But there is a much bigger figure behind the boss. You may never even hear his name in your life time nor read about his very personal and private life style.

Somewhere along the line you either get resignation (planned) or revolt (also planned) to finish the job of converting those uppity American patriots into the dumb followers and accepting of the crumbs offered life style for which they become accepting and even grateful.

La, La, La. Mexico and other places recreated right here at home. Do you really think the BIG money boys haven't got it all figured out and under control.??. They even know when to create riots and insurrection. That will just enable them to get a tighter PYTHON or BOA CONSTRICTOR grip on ""the People"".

It ain't over folks till it's over, but we are halfway to "it's over" and lost on the trash heaps of history.

America, Land that someone once loved with government by the few for the few and only those few.

Don't think it is and will happen.??. Stick around a few more years. It is as plain as the nose on your face and when you realize the truth, maybe, just maybe, we can stop the madness.


An earlier post said
something to the effect of go to college to be a doctor or a dentist. Well that may be fine providing 1) you can actually get accepted, and 2) you have the money to go 8 years or more to get an advanced degree.

As a mother of two sons, one of whom has been trying to get into pharmacy school for two years. His grade point is decent, but not +3.8. Since 95% of applicants accepted by most pharmacy schools are FEMALE, it will be a miracle if he got in. This is not an exception, it is what is happening with professional schools. They are dramatically skewing the male/female balance of professionals, dumping huge percentages of women into the professions. Woman who often prefer part-time work hours, and have no desire to buy into existing practices. Males, including my son and his friends, have pretty much given up trying when their chances are so miniscule to begin with. I am not opposed to women entering the professions, I just believe it has to be a 50-50 balance.

Not ashamed to be right
It is clear what is happening to young men in the arena of professional education, particularly young white men (now Asian men, to a degree), and its hard to believe what is going down. There is a deliberate attempt to hobble achievers IF it is perceived that they (race/ethnicity/sex) are "over represented" in a given field. Even when a liberal, I believed in merit-based promotion, which has been discarded for agenda-based promotion. I think we all need to hold on tighter than imagined; its going to be a rough ride.

A Comparison:
I have two BS degrees in Chemistry and Chemical Engineering and 62 hours of Electronics college credit from the Air Force. I have more education than most college professors. I spent over $42,000 dollars getting my 2nd degree in 1996 and only $2,400 getting my first degree in 1988(with only one year paid for by the G.I. Bill). 11 years later, I still owe $36,000. I make $65,000 a year as a Chemical Engineer. My sister, who is 12 years younger than myself at the tender age of ONLY 32, has never even attended the first college in her life or even joined the military. She is working in Human Resources with a major business jet manufacturer making around $75,000. Until the politicians address and eliminate NAFTA that both Clinton and Bush supported wholeheartedly with their big buddies in Corporate America who paid for their campaigns, being the good political whores that all of them are, We The People will continue to live in The Twilight Zone! If I could do it over again, I would NEVER have gone to college. Like another engineer who posted on here, I recommend youth who seek my counsel to go to a trade school or get a Mickey Mouse business degree or become a corrupt-as-hell, EZ-money lawyer and get one of the countless government jobs. The Liberals, the Liberal NYC media, the sellout Liberal-Lite GOP, and Corporate America - all of which are Politically Correct - have insured against the will of the American People that America will become a Socialist country like the nations of Europe. When more students leave colleges for other real-world schools like trade schools, vocational schools, and the like, maybe the college market will respond and make tuition reasonable and affordable. Until then, without political accountability to the People, we get what we pay for and what we vote for.

The Lie in the Column
Has anyone pointed out the misrepresentation in this column. Phyllis says "A Duke University spokesman said that 40 percent of Duke's engineering graduates cannot get engineering jobs."

The reality is that they have said that 40% of their engineering graduates have chosed careers besides engineering. The reason? They make more money doing other things like working in finance. 25% of MIT engineering grads don't go into engineering either. Do you really think that is because they can't get a job?

At one time
long long ago before anyone remembers
an education was pursued to make you a better person.

Not to make more money, more popular, more smarter,... That was when people where too dumb to know any better.

JIMP
"long long ago before anyone remembers
an education was pursued to make you a better person. Not to make more money, more popular, more smarter,... That was when people where too dumb to know any better."

How very true. I'm not quite sure what the
point of this woman's column was. I do know
that back when I was in college she was telling
women that Equal Rights was a horrible thing
because we would have to share bathrooms with
men. This woman has been a joke to me ever since - a very bad joke.

And true to form, only very recently she was
saying nasty things about English majors, with
the side suggestion that, well, what would expect
of the Korean campus killer, because he was,
after all, an English major. She is like the worst old maid aunt you ever had.

One thing I think that we can obtain from the
present situation - all jobs going overseas - is
that it is not quite so easy to blame union members any more. You no longer have to be paid well to lose your job. You only have been paid and perhaps have a perk or two - like Christmas Day off, with pay. At least they haven't found
a way to ship house cleaning jobs overseas. Hooray, for the service industry.

Sold down the river by our Government?
When our country was founded there was no income tax; all revenues were obtained through the setting of tariffs and duties on imported goods! Take a look at the Harmonized Tariff System of the United States today; you practically have to be a member of the “Axis of Evil” not to enjoy most favored nation status with respect to duties. Other than a few “Strategic” industries, which are protected most imports enter this country free of duty to compete with declining U.S. manufacturing.

Government has traded our manufacturing jobs, in the private sector, for friendly relationships with our neighbors. As a result, U.S. producers of consumer products don’t enjoy the same benefit of low material costs as do foreign competitors. Raw Steel, for example, is protected in the U.S. at price levels U.S. producers can live with; but foreign made steel consumer goods flow into the country duty free day after day. So a pound of stainless steel which costs a U.S. manufacturer more than $1.00 may only cost his Chinese competitor $0.50 in China. Our government happily ignores this discrepancy and continues to grants China “most favored nation status” despite the fact they are listed as an Enemy by the military!

Makes you wonder who our government really considers the Enemy to be, doesn’t it!

None of this really matters
Since when is college suppose to prepare one for a job/career?

Higher education originally conceived as “liberal” is an end in itself, to “search for wisdom and to liberate the mind” [their words, not mine]. Those who run campuses are invariably from the liberal arts, and to them anything that teaches a USEFUL discipline and/or prepares one for a job is condemned as “too vocational”.

None of this really matters any more since the search for wisdom and truth has been jettisoned in lieu of inducing the correct political opinion, and the academy has become, as author Selwyn Duke would say, “a place where ideology isn't rejected when it departs from truth but where truth is rejected when it departs from ideology.”

In The U.S.
College is just another business. The first two years are full of useless classes that you have to pay for to get your degree. If the College needs more money they just up the requirement for useless courses or raise the cost. Colleges love the undecided students because they know that they can milk those saps for two extra years if not longer.
My wife could not understand why one accredited college would not accept her credits from another university. I just laughed and told her they need your money to pay their tenured Professors that teach useless subjects.


I'm still learning ...
Our eldest daughter claims that nothing she learned in years of training ever taught her what she needed in order to teach school. Many of the items she used she made up for herself and her students excelled beyond their grade. She was an innovator for the sake of the kids.

I once worked with a young woman who confessed that not a single course she took in four years of college prepared her for the work she was to do. And, I cannot even remember all the PHDs and other university professionals who could neither construct a logical sentence nor spell correctly.

As for myself, I study course work on a college level from The Teaching company whose mantra is: I'm still learning..." a quote from Michelangelo. I have learned about the The World of Byzantium, Great Ancient Civilizations of Asia Minor, and The United States and the Middle East from 1914 to 9/11. I have also studied the history of the ancient Samaritans. I am now involved in a course going through the entire history of Islam. I sincerely doubt that many of today's college-educated young people are conversant in these courses or even interested in them. This is part of my "liberal arts" ongoing education, including many, many books. I'm not a college graduate, but "I'm Still Learning ...

Engineering Jobs
Appreciated your article about the dilemma that faces todays young college students seeking degrees in the engineering field. I have a newphew who's very bright and is seeking such a career, but was told to change majors (by a friend)and seek another field. After reading your article, I believe I'm more inclined, to, at the least, inform him to research this "out sourcing trend" and possibly consider alternative careers.

Engineering Jobs
Appreciated your article about the dilemma that faces todays young college students seeking degrees in the engineering field. I have a newphew who's very bright and is seeking such a career, but was told to change majors (by a friend)and seek another field. After reading your article, I believe I'm more inclined, to, at the least, inform him to research this "out sourcing trend" and possibly consider alternative careers.

Walt
I am a retired engineer, now teaching school part time. I enjoyed my career and can look back with satisfaction over lots of things i accomplished. My degree was a necessary part of my career, since i used the mathematics constantly, as well as the lessons i learned in persistance and other human factors. One really nice thing about being an engineer, or a doctor, for instance, is that your job is protected by reality. There is always work for those who can build something or fix somethng. And you can not be replaced by someone who walks in off the street. World-wide, every country welcomes good engineers. America has benefitted from positive brain flow since WWII. If our economy tanks, if capital goes somewhere else, they will welcome engineers.
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