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Tuesday, October 02, 2007
Phyllis Schlafly :: Townhall.com Columnist
Advice To College Students: Don't Major in English
by Phyllis Schlafly
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The bad news is that Shakespeare has disappeared from required courses in English departments at more than three-fourths of the top 25 U.S. universities, but the good news is that only 1.6 percent of America's 19 million undergraduates major in English, according to Department of Education figures. When I visit college campuses, students for years have been telling me that the English departments are the most radicalized of all departments, more so than sociology, psychology, anthropology, or even women's studies.

That's why it was no surprise that Cho Seung-Hui, the murderer of 32 students and teachers at Virginia Tech, was an English major.

In the decades before "progressive" education became the vogue, English majors were required to study Shakespeare, the pre-eminent author of English literature. The premise was that students should be introduced to the best that has been thought and said.

What happened? To borrow words from Hamlet: "Though this be madness, yet there is method in it." Universities deliberately replaced courses in the great authors of English literature with what professors openly call "fresh concerns," "under-represented cultures," and "ethnic or non-Western literature." When the classics are assigned, they are victims of the academic fad called deconstructionism. That means: pay no mind to what the author wrote or meant; deconstruct him and construct your own interpretation, as in a Vanderbilt University course called "Shakespearean Sexuality," or "Chaucer: Gender and Genre" at Hamilton College.

The facts about what universities are teaching English majors were exposed this year by the American Council of Trustees and Alumni. English majors are offered a potpourri of worthless courses.

Some English department courses are really sociology or politics. Examples are "Gender and Sociopolitical Activism in 20th Century Feminist Utopias" at Macalester College; "Of Nags, Bitches and Shrews: Women and Animals in Western Literature" at Dartmouth College; and "African and Diasporic Ecological Literature" at Bates College.

Many undergraduate courses focus on extremely specialized subjects of interest only to the professor who is trying to "publish or perish," but of virtually no value to students. Examples are: "Beast Culture: Animals, Identity, and Western Literature" at the University of Pennsylvania; and "Food and Literature" at Swarthmore College.

Some English departments offer courses in pop culture. Examples are: "It's Only Rock and Roll" at the University of California San Diego; "Animals, Cannibals, Vegetables" at Emory University; "Cool Theory" at Duke University; and "The Cult of Celebrity: Icons in Performance, Garbo to Madonna" at the University of Pennsylvania.

Of course, English professors now love to teach about sex. Examples are: "Shakesqueer" at American University; "Queer Studies" at Bates College; "Promiscuity and the Novel" at Columbia University; and "Sexing the Past" at Georgetown University.

Some English-department courses really belong in a weirdo department. Examples are: "Creepy Kids in Fiction and Film" at Duke University, which focuses on "weirdoes, creeps, freaks, and geeks of the truly evil variety"; "Bodies of the Middle Ages: Embodiment, Incarnation, Practice" at Cornell University; "The Conceptual Black Body in Twentieth-Century and Contemporary Visual Culture" at Mount Holyoke College; and "Folklore and the Body" at Oberlin College. Replacing the classics with authors of children's literature is now common. Assigned readings for college students include Dr. Seuss, J.K. Rowling, The Wizard of Oz, and Snow White.

Twenty years ago, University of Chicago Professor Allan Bloom achieved best-seller lists and fame with his book "The Closing of the American Mind." He dated the change in academic curricula from the 1960s when universities began to abandon the classic works of literature and instead adopt multicultural readings written by untalented, unimportant women and minorities.

Bloom's book showed how the Western canon of what educated Americans should know - from Socrates to Shakespeare - was replaced with relativism and the goals of opposing racism, sexism and elitism. Current works promoting multiculturalism written by women and minorities replaced the classics of Western civilization written by the DWEMs, Dead White European Males.

Left-wing academics, often called tenured radicals, eagerly spread the message, and students at Stanford in 1988 chanted "Hey hey, ho ho, Western civ has got to go." The classicists were cowed into silence, and it's now clear that the multiculturalists won the canon wars.

Shakespeare, Chaucer and Milton have been replaced by living authors who toe the line of multicultural political correctness, i.e., view everything through the lens of race, gender and class based on the assumption that America is a discriminatory and unjust racist and patriarchal society. The only good news is that students seldom read books any more and use Cliffs Notes for books they might be assigned.

The American Council of Trustees and Alumni says "a degree in English without Shakespeare is like an M.D. without a course in anatomy. It is tantamount to fraud."

College students: Don't waste your scarce college dollars on a major in English.

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The result?
quote:
That's why it was no surprise that Cho Seung-Hui, the murderer of 32 students and teachers at Virginia Tech, was an English major.
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Spear me down, Heaven
By Seung-Hui Cho

This thing, my life, all an agony, of Hell of torture... And years of bludgeoning torment tiny nuisances.

The disgust eyes, dirty frowns, and red fingers pointing at me. Feeling all the patheticness and humiliation.

What time is right to abort the null existence and retire from sick lifeblood.
And yet feelings — thwarted by sun’s beams ready to attack, averted by smiling faces ready to rape — come, a wish to annihilate my self...

If this wasn’t true in my plaguing conscious. But Jesus Christ! Another day comes tomorrow, a shade better than present, if I can imagine, a day anew like a new born or an old dying, when nothing is everything and everything is nothing and all is mere shutting of eyelids.

Good Christ! Rip me apart, tear me to shrivels, eat me to help me see a better day’s worth and salvage this decaying thing from myself.

How leftists destroyed leadership
A solid liberal arts education, focused heavily on literature, is the foundation of classical leadership.

When leftists perverted the liberal arts programs into "progressive" organs of social engineering, the system best equipped for educating ourselves beyond the proletariat was destroyed systematically.

Read a Thomas Jefferson Education, by Oliver Van DeMille.

So obvious
Isn't it Gabby.

"from the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh" Jesus Christ

This world is in its death throes when such as this is called a college education today, as Phyllis points out
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Left-wing academics, often called tenured radicals, eagerly spread the message, and students at Stanford in 1988 chanted "Hey hey, ho ho, Western civ has got to go." The classicists were cowed into silence, and it's now clear that the multiculturalists won the canon wars.

Shakespeare, Chaucer and Milton have been replaced by living authors who toe the line of multicultural political correctness, i.e., view everything through the lens of race, gender and class based on the assumption that America is a discriminatory and unjust racist and patriarchal society.
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And the men who Founded America are scorned with revisionist history

What she said
It's all true, and more.

Why Major in English?
Back in the late 80s when I was a young Biology Major, I was at a restaurant and asked the waitress about a University button on her shirt, she replied that she was a recent graduate and when I asked she told me she had majored in English. Well since I am capable of saying dumb things faster then a speeding bullet I said something like "oh that explains why you are still a waitress" needless to say our food was late and service terrible after that.
While I enjoyed my literature classes in school for the divergent views they presented that were radically different from my own, I never got a good grade after I wore my ROTC uniform to class one day.

Having said all that, my point would be a degree for a young person should lead to productive deployment and while those types of classes listed in the Article are "interesting" how do they prepare you for the real world?

Of course my spelling, punctuation and grammer would be better if I was an English Major. ;)

Deconstructing Shakespeare
Since The Bard may have been the greatest writer in the English Language, it is no mystery why the Left has been attacking him for decades.

The Left is not sincere in the nonsense they teach. There is method in their madness.

They are determined to destroy Western culture and replace it with Marxism, which is why they teach garbage in the schools. They want the kids to feel that our culture is nothing special and not worth preserving.

English Literature
A young woman I know, a senior English major, had never heard of Jonathan Swift, nor studied Mark Twain, or C. S. Lewis, or read Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress. All great writers. I gave her a copy of "A Politically Incorrect Guide to English." She loved it but when I suggested she show it to her teacher, she said, "I'd be afraid to." Bill D.

Classics
Agree with the argument the classics should be retained over modern literature whose value you cannot yet determine.

But this line defies classical logic: "That's why it was no surprise that Cho Seung-Hui, the murderer of 32 students and teachers at Virginia Tech, was an English major." Nice innuendo, no logical connection.

And then we read, posted by talent scount, Cho's poetic plea to Christ. That's classic. THough I prefer Dante's "Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate".

Classical Education
I am very thankful for my classical education, and judging by the Generation Whiners slowly filling the ranks as the last generation of clasically educated secretaries begin to retire. I once worked for a very busy International Tax and Finance attorney who also lectured and prepared papers for learned organiznations. He was amazed that I could prepare a proper bibliography without fuss or hysteria. I have saved the pride of innumerable junior lawyers by interpreting the Latin sprinkled throughout their profession and explaining to every one of them that its et al. and not et. al. or etal -- et is the word AND; al. is short for alia and means OTHERS. Likewise etc. and not ect -- short for et cetera (and so on); inter alia (among other stuff), ad astra per aspera. I have quietly tidied up erroneous quotations (and properly cited them), won $100 from a lawyer who had the wrong meaning for hoist with his own petard, and doing a whole set of real estate documents in Spanish with no advance warning. And I owe it all to my decision to major in English and Victorian History through Literature. Over 21 years in the legal field, a dozen different lawyers have reason to thank God -- and to wonder what will happen when Mitzi and Amber take over and do not even know how to file.

Some of us still fight the battle
I teach high school English, and my curriculum is the classics -- including grammar! I also prepare them for the assault on their values in college. While I teach at a Christian school, I encourage my kids to go to secular colleges and fight the good fight against leftist/socialist indoctrination. I teach them about the group F.I.R.E, and warn them to arm themselves with the 1st Amendment when they go to college.

College Majors
In technical fields like Engineering, Architecture, Business, Finance, and Computer Science we can learn a trade that is directly applicable to the modern world.

In the hard sciences like Mathematics, Chemistry, Physics, Biology, Statistics, Geology, etc. we can learn how the world itself works and why things are the way they are.

In softer sciences like Climatology and economics we can learn theories that may predict the behaviors of complex systems if we remember to account for Chaos Theory.

In the "Social Sciences" like Psychology, Sociology, Political Science, and International Affairs, we can at least hear the leftist point of view on how the world is supposed to work.

In the Social Studies disciplines, like History, Geography, and Western Civilization we can learn where we came from and use that to extrapolate where we are going.

In the arts, like Communications, Journalism, Art, Drama, and Music we can enhance our creativity by learning aesthetic techniques and the like.

In disciplines like Philosophy and Theology we can learn, at a minimum, how to think (as opposed to WHAT to think.)

What, exactly do you get out of four years studying English? I have nothing against studying literature as a part of one's college experience (though, admittedly, I'm not terribly fond of it myself.) but to make that your primary focus? Personally, I don't know why someone would do that except that they don't feel they can do anything else.

What major is safe?
Honestly, I have returned to college, and I am appalled at the activist teachers in all manner of subjects, including the hard sciences, like Algebra and Biology.

The Biology teacher regularly inserted his anti-Christian, pro-Vegan, extreme Environmentalist point of view frequently.

The Algebra teacher would substitute problems of her own for the ones in the book. One of the examples she used was statistics that were supposed to prove that the cigarette companies were evil, and that Joe Camel was bad.

One of my computer teachers spent a great deal of class time experssing his hatred for the President, and my Contemporary Lit teacher taught us about alternative life styles.

I hope to avoid all the Leftie Professors I can, but you never know when one will pop up to torment you.

As a former English major
It sounds like I was one of the lucky ones. I was taught Shakespeare with reverence - and my professor wasn't even the "usual" professor who taught the course. The "usual" professor is PASSIONATE about Shakespeare, and in the manner necessary for a proper education.

But I did have some courses smattered with feminist, political driven drivel taught by a few feminist professors who neither cared for the traditional cannon nor desired to teach us anything beyond their myopic liberal views.

Sadly, I have to come to the same conclusion as Mrs. Schlafly - English literature has been killed by liberalism, and is no longer a suitable subject for undergraduate studies.

I am beginning my Masters in English (Writing concentration) in January, and we'll see if the graduate program is broader than what most undergraduate programs offer.

The Language is English
My daughter is starting high school this year and every time she talks to me about something to do with her "Language" course I have to remind her that the language is English.

Mountain Rose
I've been lucky myself in the going-back-to-college arena. I haven't been subjected to any overtly leftist instructors (Of course, I am attending the University of Phoenix, and the "profesors" are real people with real jobs during the day who have a part time teaching commitment with the school. All have Masters, some have Doctorates, all live in the real world, as opposed to academia.)

The best part is that I've been able to be the hard-core conservative in my papers and still get good grades (Even when I intentionally slant my material.)

Language is English
reader: let us know if the course daughter is taking is a course in English language. I'll bet she will get indoctrinated as to the reasons for speaking Spanish and why it should be unofficially our second language.

Not Entirely New
While some of Ms Schlafly's argument deserves a "Yes, this is disturbing", quite a lot of it can be met with a "What else is new?". Over the past thousand years, the curricula of higher education have changed quite a lot---and all along the way, change has been met with unhappiness. For example, there was a time when a university education meant ONLY a classics education---science was not recognized as an area of serious academic study. When it began to be, some quite famous dispute among scholars resulted. Medicine and surgery were not considered professions. For a long time it was illegal to study human anatomy and physiology. Chemistry was akin to alchemy, a spookiness.

For hundreds of years, educated people learned Latin so they could read one another's work and speak Latin among themselves. Within my own lifetime I used to hear that physicians had to learn Latin so they could write their prescriptions in Latin. None of this is true now, nor do we expect every educated person to read Classical Greek. On the other hand, offering college degrees in physical education has gone somewhat to the other extreme: can one now major in golf?

My own children, attending college thirty years ago, were not required by their institutions to take a foreign language (I found this shocking). My husband, in graduate school fifty years ago, was required to demonstrate competent reading knowledge in two foreign languages---but translation technologies have ended this requirement as far as I am aware.

And I wonder whether a Republican population that worships business realizes that it's been possible to get a college or university degree in business only in about the past eighty years, since the pro-business 1920's? And that business-types on academic campuses were greeted as Philistines who had no business in higher education?


Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement

We need Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement, not reform. We need to restore respect for the law and the faith of the American people that their government is not selling them out. Amnesty for the illegal aliens is also amnesty for the corrupt companies who have been employing them. Money trumps everything, including love of country. Multi-nationals have no loyalty to country by definition, they see us as a market, not a nation. They see people as workers, documented or undocumented, no difference. If they can't send the work to where the labor is cheaper, then they want to bring the cheap labor here. Citizenship is meaningless.

If we love our Constitution and our representative Republic and we intend to keep it we must not surrender our sovereignty or abandon the rule of law. Profits must not supercede security. We should not create a new path to citizenship. We have a path to citizenship, more generous than any other country, illegal aliens have ignored it and bad choices do have consequences.

Gabby
I don't know whether you intended to associate the bloodiness of "Titus Andronicus" with the Virginia Tech massacre, but I think maybe some of the anti-education folks on this board will read your post that way. So let's add that "Titus Andronicus" was the young Shakespeare's first play and that when he wrote it he had not yet developed his own style and was imitating the tragic drama of ancient Rome and particularly of the Roman playwright Seneca. "Senecan tragedy" oozes blood and guts revenge. (Plot summary for the engineers among us: Two brothers rape a girl. So that she can't tell who did it, they amputate her tongue and hands. Still she manages to identify them. Her family gets revenge by entrapping and killing the rapists, whom they then chop up and bake them into a pie. They invite the rapists' family to dinner. Meat pie is enjoyed by all. Then comes "Guess what we just had for dinner!". Big sword fights ensue. Bodies fall right and left. Curtain.)

Get your degree after 30
Like I did. I went the unusual route of paying for college before I attended it. After I had already been in the Army for about 15 years.

After all that, you can be amused by the indoctrination attempts, not actually indoctrinated by them. And I found that unlike when I was in high school, as an older man I was far less interested in discerning what I thought the teacher wanted to hear and parroting it back.

To be fair, there are plenty of unbiased or even CONSERVATIVELY tilting courses at Ohio State University's main campus. A couple of history courses, one of them about Vietnam and taught by a veteran, was particularly delightful and informing. I had classical Greek literature. One or two of my Political Science courses were also good. There were liberals there, of course, but I learned from them as one tends to learn from any bad example.

To Tinsldr2
...And, not only that, you would probably know the difference between "deployment" and "employment".

"Reading maketh a full man," says Bacon. "Writing maketh an exact man."


And history ain't changed???
Sgt Relic writes: "My son, a senior at college, called on the first day of classes to share with me what he thought of his Western Civ class.
He said that the Professor opened class by informing everyone that if they were looking for a narrowly focused class treating with some obscure eastern european thinker, they were in the wrong classroom. He informed them that the Prof writing the book about that subject was down the hall.
He further informed the class that his class was western civ as it had been taught for decades and if they were looking for the revised version, or to deconstruct the subject, they were also in the wrong classroom."

This is sad. The professor is not teaching what
has been learned over the past few decades
according to your account.

Although the past has remained the same history
has changed and will always change.

I can't believe a professor of history would say
this it does not speak well of him.

For instance, Jacques Barzun, no flaming liberal
came out with a new history of western civ. that
reinterprets or revises what we knew and places
it into a well written history, which I recommend
_From Dawn to Decadence: 500 Years of Western Cultural Life, 1500 to the Present_

Although I do not recommend W. Civ. courses since
I think they are artificial and cherry picked.
See my comments here:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/JohnAndrews/2007/08/25/who_killed_western_civ

"My son was very excited to be in a course with no apparent political agenda. The tragedy is that it has happened so rarely that he thinks it is special."

But methinks it did have a political agenda.

Happy Jake
I can't say what everyone gets out of studying English, but I don't think my young friend would mind my telling what she has gotten out of it. I first came to know her when she was my student in a high school English class 30 years ago. She had a feel for literature, wrote well, and documented carefully. She went on to do an Honors major in English: much more of the same. She then got a Master's in Computer Science and became a known specialist in internet banking. Her special strength? Technical writing. I believe she makes around $150,000 a year. PS: In her spare time, she also writes poetry and has not lost her connection with what Longfellow called "The love of learning/ The sequester'd nooks/ And all the sweet serenity of books".

I quoted this in another post to this thread, but now I'm going to say it again: "Reading maketh a full man; writing maketh an exact man." Being at home---delightedly, lovingly, precisely at home---with your native language can be only an advantage to you in any field you choose. And that's what an English major can do for you.

Shakespeare or shaky logic?
"That's why it was no surprise that Cho Seung-Hui, the murderer of 32 students and teachers at Virginia Tech, was an English major."

So, how do we explain Kip Kinkel the Oregon student
killer inspired (sic) by Shakespeare's _Romeo and
Juliet_???

Advice to high school seniors:
Don't attend Columbia, Duke, or any other Hate Conservatives and Hate America college or university.

Save your money. Go to a good, solid, local school or a conservative school like Hillsdale.

Hit the Evil Leftists where it hurts: In the pocketbook.

Just Goofy
While I agree with the basic idea of this article, this conclusion, "That's why it was no surprise that Cho Seung-Hui, the murderer of 32 students and teachers at Virginia Tech, was an English major," is just goofy cause and effect reasoning.


lilly
lilly writes: Tuesday, October, 02, 2007 9:18 AM
Gabby
I don't know whether you intended to associate the bloodiness of "Titus Andronicus" with the Virginia Tech massacre, but I think maybe some of the anti-education folks on this board will read your post that way. So let's add that "Titus Andronicus" was the young Shakespeare's first play and that when he wrote it he had not yet developed his own style and was imitating the tragic drama of ancient Rome and particularly of the Roman playwright Seneca. "Senecan tragedy" oozes blood and guts revenge. (Plot summary for the engineers among us: Two brothers rape a girl. So that she can't tell who did it, they amputate her tongue and hands. Still she manages to identify them. Her family gets revenge by entrapping and killing the rapists, whom they then chop up and bake them into a pie. They invite the rapists' family to dinner. Meat pie is enjoyed by all. Then comes "Guess what we just had for dinner!". Big sword fights ensue. Bodies fall right and left. Curtain.)

Foxfire:

Ohoooo! Sounds like a real triller movie, staring: Kate Winslet,Russell Crowe, Alan Rickman. Just kidding, but an excellent cast don't you think.


everyonesfacts writes:
This is sad. The professor is not teaching what
has been learned over the past few decades
according to your account.

Although the past has remained the same history
has changed and will always change.

I can't believe a professor of history would say
this it does not speak well of him.

Other than reading a few books about history, your expertise in the field is?

Just Goofy
Laura Cap wrote: "While I agree with the basic idea of this article, this conclusion, "That's why it was no surprise that Cho Seung-Hui, the murderer of 32 students and teachers at Virginia Tech, was an English major," is just goofy cause and effect reasoning."

My comment: Yep, what she said.

zzzzzzzzzz

Agree - mostly
I also agree with the general premise of the column and also find that the paragraph:

"That's why it was no surprise that Cho Seung-Hui, the murderer of 32 students and teachers at Virginia Tech, was an English major."

was completely unrelated and never explained.

Also, J.K. Rowling did not write "children's literature". As a student of the classics, she incorporated their themes and names liberally throughout the Harry Potter books. The following blogs (and others like them) are dedicated to analyzing the books:

http://hogwartsprofessor.com/
http://swordofgryffindor.com/

J.K. Rowling has always said that the books were not for children. Perhaps the fact that they were not "dumbed down" for children can explain their wild popularity.

Literature
Literature is the enduring expression of significant human experience in words well chosen and arranged.

It isn't always that way, Phyllis.
My son is taking an English literature degree from Univ. of California at Santa Barbara. He wants to focus on creative writing and do technical writing for a living. I had misgivings about English Lit when he entered the programme, what with all of the radicalisation that one has seen in liberal arts programmes during the last forty years.

UC Santa Barbara has been a pleasant surprise in that regard. While the campus offers "gender studies" and other sorts of protected employment opportunities for otherwise unemployable radicals the English department seems to be remarkably free of such people. I attribute it to the fact that UC Santa Barbara is a physics and technology oriented campus and the rigour of those curricula seems to heavily flavour other programmes on campus.

I regularly see the reading lists and syllabuses of my son's courses and find my hair standing on end. His upper division undergraduate courses look to be as demanding as things I ran into when I took my Master's degree. I've been quite jealous of the courses he takes. I wish I had the time to sit in, too.

Talent Scout...
Now, you and I have gone back and forth on Schlafly's columns whether or not the NASCO super highway amounts to a NWO and NAU conspiracy....but *this* I would agree is the *TRUE* conspiracy to really take note of.

And to make myself clear, this conspiracy is as old as the oldest lie in "The Book"....the one that shows up over and over again in various forms (including what you confuse as the future NAU, which I find improbable). It shows up in the story of the Tower of Babel, and it central thesis is: "You shall be as gods".

Today, the conspiracy is recognized as "do-gooders" trying to build a new tower of babel, and new utopia without God, with a new morality based on "Homo-mensura". It manifests itself in things such as man's "control" over the economy (aka the Federal Reserve and marginal reserve banking system), and the like.

The "do-gooders" in acadamia, by eliminating Shakespeare, is not only eliminating one of the greatest if not THE greatest english-speaking writers, is only trying to eradicate the last vestiges of God in academia.....same to Milton, and Chaucer.

This is the nature of man; at enmity with God. This disease affects both parties of our government. And I don't attribute any of its power to the CFR, the SPP.

I Just Graduated with A Degree in Englis
I just graduated with a degree in English from Vassar college, which is certainly on the top for the most liberal colleges in the country. While there, it was required to take classes where you read Shakespeare, Milton, and the rest of the canon. Of course, if you scanned the English department list of classes, you would find the sort of classes that Schlafly decries, but the best part of an education is that you get to see many different points of view.

Not to mention, i have a pretty nice job as an editor now, so I guess not all English majors become waitresses.

Oh, and there is a book mentioned in one of the comments called "The Politically Incorrect Guide to English Literature." I just wanted to say that I read that book and it was, quite possibly, the most horrid excuse for literary criticism that I had ever read.

Oh
Although, that seems to have done nothing for my ability to spell.

How About Writing? And Research?
English majors don't just read all the time: done right, the English major causes you to locate information and organize it into some coherent form to make a point, a skill useful all over the place. In the fall of 1980 I happened to be chatting with a young woman who had an undergraduate English degree from some university in Florida. She had never been required to write a single research paper, not one. I found this as shocking as if she'd never been asked to read a book.

As an undergraduate English major/History minor I once wrote 14 footnoted research papers in a 16-week semester, and graduate school increased that standard. What did all of this accomplish? What's it for? This: the ability to locate and organize information on any topic is more precious than diamonds. Whether you are preparing to teach a class, write an article, speak to a community group, give a report at work, plan a vacation trip, or grasp unusual political changes, you have an edge on those who get their information from ideologues or, more casually, their brother-in-law.

Yes, some of the tasks sound silly---but they teach you what to do. As a graduate student in English I once received this library assignment: "Somewhere in western society existed a folkloric belief that a mare can be impregnated by turning her hindquarters to the west wind. Locate and date it." Folks, if you can find that mare, you can find anything.

Knocked up mares? No problem.
"Folks, if you can find that mare, you can find anything."

These days, it takes about 15 seconds and a good search engine.

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0021-1753(193605)25%3A1%3C95%3AAIBTW%3E2.0.CO%3B2-L

The terms I used were...

mare "west wind" impregnate

Finding stuff hasn't been hard for over five years. The trick is to know how to ask questions and structure searches. The bigger trick is to discover the context specific search terms that you need to use to get at what you're looking for.

reply to lumberjack
You're a lumberjack and you're okay ...

Anyways, as an historian / history teacher.

Can still get a great education
The offering of pop culture courses is hardly new. I remember similar types of radicalized and fluff courses back in the 1970s when I went to college. But all us students knew those courses had an agenda and you took those courses only if you had a similar agenda.

Actually, such fluff had a useful purpose: It enabled football jocks who were there on sports scholarships to get that bachelor's degree.

But excellent courses were available then, and are still available today, for serious students who want them. I just checked the course catalog of Harvard's English Department. There are a HUGE number of courses on Shakespeare, Chaucer, Rabelais, Beowulf, etc. You would have no trouble putting together a great English major program.

http://tinyurl.com/2lh9gw

Poor thing's wig is too tight!
Wow, Phyllis She-fly really is quite an ignorant, dried-up old bat, ain't she? Had she ever read Chaucer, for instance, she would know that he was one of the most blatantly lurid classical writers of all, most befitting a course on gender and literature.

As to the other "shocking" courses she mentions, how about a little context, Phyl? What are the other courses offered by these schools? No doubt mostly run-of-the-mill scholarly stuff.

If She-fly would get her head out of her...the sand...she would know that class titles are meant to arouse curiosity and imagination. And what's so bad about "provocative"? Last I checked,colleges were supposed to be places to learn, question, and open one's horizons.

What is with these right-wingers and their war against education?

Gabby
Well if W. Civ. deserves to die it might as well be
Columbia that kills it.

You know the old saying, "I brought you into this
world, and I can take you out of it."

Since the W. Civ. course of studies was largely
created at Columbia after WWI.

Again see my comments here for why W.Civ. has
given up the ghost:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/JohnAndrews/2007/08/25/who_killed_western_civ?page=full&comments=true


LIE's advice
TheLeftIsEvil writes: "Advice to high school seniors: Don't attend Columbia, Duke, or any other Hate Conservatives and Hate America college or university.
Save your money. Go to a good, solid, local school or a conservative school like Hillsdale.
Hit the Evil Leftists where it hurts: In the pocketbook."

LIE I think your advice would hurt those you deign
to give advice to in their own pocketbook or wallet.

Though I haven't done the research, so who makes
more, on average, a graduate of Columbia or Duke or
Hillsdale?

Politics aside
English depts are plagued with a level of stupidity and irrelevance that can scarcely be overstated. And I say this as a BS in Eng holder myself. I would have gone for an MFA enroute to a teaching position if I weren't slapped into reality by actually attending some of these courses. The writing is terrible; even mundane grammatical points and spelling are abandoned for the sake of tummy rubbing mantras that rival T-ball in awarding unwarranted accolades. As for those who dismiss the wacky course descriptions as atypical; only ignorance, willful or otherwise could countenance such a claim. These days one would be hard-pressed to find a course on Chaucer or Spenser that is more than a drum circle of PC blathery. Those who say the Left is in full assault on Western Civilization understate the current state of affairs. The assault is over. The Sack is nearly complete.

Whacky?
I do think that Ms. Schlafly doth protest a bit too much. However, when I went to college, I always wondered what English majors do when they get out of college. Of course I majored in History.

A revolting moment
The most egregious thing I can recall hearing a professor say is when he was quoting Lenin.

The original quote went, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."

I was watching the Professor's face as he was saying this and saw him actually catch himself and pause before modifying it to:

"From each according to his or her ability, to each according to his or her need."

Now, he wasn't advocating Leninism or anything like that. What alarmed me was that gender neutral political correct crappola had so infected academia that it demanded he misquote a historical figure and modify it into a cumbersome and unwieldly mess.

So now, not only was Lenin wrong, but he is wrong, castrated, and stylistically awful.

Come to think of it, perhaps that is not such a bad thing...

Her language
Reader:

Hopefully it is not her only language. You know the old joke, what do you call someone that can speak three languages? trilingual; what do you call someone that can speak two languages? bilingual; what do you call someone that can only speak one language? American

That being said, language instruction in the US is still mostly stuck in the 1950s teaching German, French, Latin, Portugese, Spanish and perhaps Italian. If you are lucky they may offer one section in Chinese or Japanese. Good luck finding a course in Hindi or Russian or Arabic.

French is about as important of a language as Swedish in 2007.

Learning another language--especially one that is in high demand--will greatly increase your economic prospects in the future. In 50 years, according to the former president of the World Bank, China and India will have the two largest economies in the world. Where do you think France and Germany will be? Yet the US secondary and post secondary schools continue to teach section after section of French and ignore Chinese and other more critical languages.

hunter2
It seems you know zip,zero ,zilch about Mrs. Schlafly. Perhaps you should get yourself an education.
I am sure that academe is quaking in their Birkenstocks in fear of Mrs. Schlafly's column.
You can just hear the wallets snapping shut against more donations to support these fools.
Look her up,hunter2. What you find may change your mind about old bats.We can be quite aggressive!

Actually no
Virginia Patriot:

The US path to entry and citizenship is not the most liberal. Canada and Australia for example. Which is exactly why the "Astronauts" (Hong Kong residents who immigrated to Canada before the 1997 return) picked Canada and not the US.

While the US has one of most liberal policies and takes the most immigrants in pure numbers, it doesn't rank #1 in either number of immigrants adjusted for the host country's population nor how liberal it is.

For example, to immigrate to Canda for the purpose of investing--you need a total investment of around 30,000 USD and it doesn't require that the investment create any new jobs. In the US, the investment is between 500,000 and 1 million USD and requires 10 newly created, non-relative jobs.

schlafly
she can be quite aggressive but I've never found
her persuasive and I come from parents who thought
she was the be all and end all when it came to the
ERA.


History has changed
Lumberjack7392:

Our knowledge of history has changed and will continue to change as there is new research, new findings, new interpetations.

For example, In the Shi Ji, Sima Qian talks about flowing rivers and seas of mercury in Qin Shi Huang's tomb--rivers and seas in mercury to represent the rivers and seas of his empire.

Soil samples taken on the tomb mound show exactly that--mercury concentrations in the soil that form a map of rivers and seas that existed in his empire.

This is just one example among many.



Football (and Basketball)
Katy:

Donations are most often related to how well the cash sport is doing. At a school like South Carolina, that would be football, at UNLV, it is basketball. Way up north--Hockey.

Few people giving money to the university can even name an English professor or how the school treats western civ. But they can name how many interceptions the QB had last week or how many points in the paint the team scored in the NCAA last year.

So if some ultra-rightist pens a column about universities in general--no one is going to take much notice.

When you have a high profile case like Ward Churchill, you might see a small drop--but CU's fortune on the football field is more important than how it actually teaches in the classroom.


Marx
Citizen:

"The original quote went, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."


This is from Marx, not Lenin.


LeishaC
Keep up the good fight.

Stupid Stupid Stupid
"That's why it was no surprise that Cho Seung-Hui, the murderer of 32 students and teachers at Virginia Tech, was an English major."

Right after this incident happend I saw one or
two posters make a connection between his
crime/sickness and the fact that he was an
English major. One can expect such idiocy from
the posters, but from someone who gets paid to
write and supposedly think for a living!!! That
is preposterous.

N.B. My English teacher said that Shakespeare
was the only classical poet who never even
pretended to be a Christian.

Now let's talk turkey about why college courses
are what they are today. It gets down to money.
It is fun to blame the liberals on all this crap,
but as in virtually everything else in our society today, including our homes, what happens is determined by the market place. Money is more
making a house a home; it is more important than the jobs and lives of those who work to make the money for the CEO's and buyers of stock, and it is more important than seeking knowledge.

Many of the studies that you mentioned probably
have some legitimacy, but it is the silly names
that make them sound shallow and may in fact be
shallow. That said, we do not have to have, nor
should we have the same curriculae as the Victorians. We live in today's world and are
preparing for tomorrow's world. We need to know
our past but we must also deal with today.

I am not interested in having my children learn
how to become perfect Victorians. The age is gone and in most instances, good riddance. That
they have the opportunity to learn what today's
issues are is not a bad thing.


Lilly makes her point brilliantly
when she explains the value of reading, writing and research.

I would just like to say, reading the actual words of the great minds that preceded us directly from the source, rather than through the filter of a "textbook" is invaluable.

As much as some of you distrust modern academia (myself included) wouldn't you rather get it straight from the horse's mouth? Try reading Euclid, Homer, Plato, Virgil. It's not as daunting as you might believe and with all of the modern modes of research available, the task is much easier than it used to be.

Research exposes you to the thoughts of many. Works you never knew existed are now available to you from a wide range of views.

Finally, writing them down forces you to organize and understand what you believe. You cannot fully comprehend a thing until you can communicate and defend it.

Be a leader. Read the actual words of the great minds that came before you. Research their ideas and write about them.

If all you want out of an education is a job, ITT and Devry await. My best to you.

Akagi
Ah yes. I suspected I was making some mistakes there, but I lazily did not bother to google it to make sure.

The benefits of an education...

Suitably chastened...

EVERYTHING I EVER NEEDED TO KNOW
ABOUT ENGLISH

I learned in the 7th grade. By the end of high school I probably had the equivalent of a then-college-degree in English.

And that was in one of the most illiterate states in the nation.

Yes, but
viruddh:

As an English major you should probably be exposed to more recent works. Works of literature didn't stop in the 1600s or with Twain. And works by non-whites should be included such as James Baldwin for example. But to ignore works that have been studied for centuries really just to be modern is just as bad. Be the same if you were majoring in Chinese Literature and you ignore the poems from the Tang or Song Dynasties.


re: everyonesfacts writes:
hunter2
...I am sure that academe is quaking in their Birkenstocks in fear of Mrs. Schlafly's column...
----------------------------------------------

Yeah, I'm sure they are afraid that some boneheads out there will actually take Phyllis' whackjob rants seriously.

I shouldn't resort to sophomoric insults, but She-fly's column was so insulting to my intelligence that I can not help myself.

Marx again
Citizen:

It is usually attributed to Marx, but some claim he just stole it from a number of other early communist writers of the 1840s. Others claim it dates all the way to the Bible and the Tora. But Marx gets credit for it nonetheless.


re: Stupid Stupid Stupid
viruddh writes: Tuesday, October, 02, 2007 2:47 PM
Stupid Stupid Stupid
-------------------------------------------------
Well said, viruddh! I'm actually impressed by the thoughtful dialogue here today (present company excluded - I go for the jokes). It's nice to see some literate minds weighing in on this site for a change.

hunter2 katy mean old lady
hunter that wasn't me that was katy.

Akagi
No,dear, quite a few of us are not jocks.
Some of us actually got an education and do not donate our money because of some dumb a** sports program.

sorry, everyonesfacts!
everyonesfacts writes: Tuesday, October, 02, 2007 3:11 PM
hunter2 katy mean old lady
hunter that wasn't me that was katy.
----------------------------------------------
Sorry, everyonesfacts! I went to "Hillsdale", so don't expect me to know how to read...

hunter2
At least you have the good grace to apologise!
Please at least read the columns first. You sound as if all you saw was Mrs. Schlafly's name and went right to posting.

A wonderful exception
I have a friend who is an x-cop and is now a professor of lit & english in a North Texas university. Luckily she is getting her hands on incoming freshman. She has changed the tune of many young minds because she demands they provide facts to support their opinions when they come through her class. Guess what? Many have become more centrist if not actually conservative. Let's hope they can retain what they learned from her as the continue their education. She is a breath of fresh air..too bad there are not many more like her.

lilly: I wonder...
And I wonder whether a Republican population that worships business realizes that it's been possible to get a college or university degree in business only in about the past eighty years, since the pro-business 1920's? And that business-types on academic campuses were greeted as Philistines who had no business in higher education?

I wonder whether a Democrat population that worships socialism realizes that it's currently possible to get a college or university degree in "mental masterbation" from an ostensibly elite institution w/o having to take a single math or hard science course.

Folks, if you have the word "Arts" written on any of your degrees, you will always have a job- as long as there is food to serve & cars to wash.

That may be so
Katy:

You might care what is taught at Swampy Land State, but the owner of the car dealership doesn't--and how much can he donate and how much can you. Unless you are far more wealthy than you appear, I don't think you can match the big time donors who often donate because of the sports program.

What issue got all the donors fired up at UGA a few years ago--the president forcing the A.D. to retire when he wanted to stay--the A.D. was none other than Vince Dooley who lead UGA to the 1980 National Championship as head coach.

You think those givers will care what some professor is teaching in English class? You think they have ever heard of Phyllis Schlafly? Bet they have heard of Colt McCoy though.

Demosthenes writes:
lilly: I wonder...
And I wonder whether a Republican population that worships business realizes that it's been possible to get a college or university degree in business only in about the past eighty years, since the pro-business 1920's? And that business-types on academic campuses were greeted as Philistines who had no business in higher education?

You are only about 40 years off. The Wharton School of Business opened in 1881, UT Austin's school started in 1913, Harvard in 1908. I think you get the idea.

katy the mean old lady
If you read my first post, entitled "Poor thing's wig is too tight", you'll know that I indeed read Mrs. Schlafly's column. In fact, I am still laughing about it.

my 2 cents
Last winter Greg Oden, the mega-basketball player at Ohio State, carried a course load consisting of the following courses

1) Sociology

2) The History of Rock and Roll

Source - Sports Illustrated

How sad

Doesn't matter now
He is out for the season in Portland and drawing his big check.


Diversity
I agree that an English major should be conversant on modern literature as well as the classics. In four years, there is surely enough time for exposure to both.

Still, why does it appear that exposure to "new" literature always seems to take the form of a Rigoberta Menchu? Things counter-culture? Decidedly socialist or feminist or homosexual or third-worldish or all of that combined into one book?

Why does none of this exposure to "newer" literature never seem to take the form of an Ayn Rand or Bill Buckley?

Akagi
How presumptuous of you. You know nothing about my preferences,knowledge,or income. Do you base your life on jumping to conclusions?

Citizen Carrier
Back in the 50s Ayn Rand ("Individual rights are the means of subordinating society to moral law.") and Bill Buckley ("The job of conservatives was to stand athwart history, yelling, stop.") were counter culture.

Wow--am I missing something or what
I'm graduating with my MA in English next June and I didn't take any of these over the top English courses! Did I miss something? Anyhow Mickey Mouse courses are nothing new and they're in every single discipline, not just English. Pick up any college catalog and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Musta stung ya
heresyarch writes: Tuesday, 11:06 AM
Talent Scout...
Now, you and I have gone back and forth on Schlafly's columns whether or not the NASCO super highway amounts to a NWO and NAU conspiracy....but *this* I would agree is the *TRUE* conspiracy to really take note of.
----------

Naw
Just went one way, I told you all about it.

Only fools think they know what all men are involved in with the smug crutch calling the NAU a "conspiracy".
**** its wide open for all who have brain cells to see for themselves.


---------------

heresyarch writes:
And to make myself clear, this conspiracy is as old as the oldest lie in "The Book"....the one that shows up over and over again in various forms (including what you confuse as the future NAU, which I find improbable). It shows up in the story of the Tower of Babel, and it central thesis is: "You shall be as gods".
-------------------
You were so clear last time we talked I seen all the way through you.
Conspiracies happen

------------




heresyarch writes:
Today, the conspiracy is recognized as "do-gooders" trying to build a new tower of babel, and new utopia without God, with a new morality based on "Homo-mensura". It manifests itself in things such as man's "control" over the economy (aka the Federal Reserve and marginal reserve banking system), and the like.
------------

Huh?
-----------
heresyarch writes:
The "do-gooders" in acadamia, by eliminating Shakespeare, is not only eliminating one of the greatest if not THE greatest english-speaking writers, is only trying to eradicate the last vestiges of God in academia.....same to Milton, and Chaucer.
-------
God does not attend university anyway my friend, He is where wisdom dwells.
None of that to be found in universities.
They do learn how to think they are smart though


Lonestarblues
"Back in the 50s Ayn Rand ("Individual rights are the means of subordinating society to moral law.") and Bill Buckley ("The job of conservatives was to stand athwart history, yelling, stop.") were counter culture."

I tend to credit Buckley more with rescuing conservatism from the grips of kook fringe people the John Birch Society. Conservatism then was like the Code Pink, Cindy Sheehan, "9/11 was an inside job" liberalism of today. Buckley was not counter-culture in the 1950s, he helped create the modern mainstream of conservatism we know today.

Imagining Buckley as counter-culture in 1950s "Ike's America" is just kind of hard for me to do.

My question still stands though. Are their no conservative equivalents to Rigoberta Menchu that are worthy of study in modern literature for English majors? I find it hard to believe that answer is "no".

Citizen Carrier
When young Buckley came along, the modern conservative movement was over a decade old, under the leadership of Mises, Hayek and others who stood up against FDR and big government and socialism in America.

"My question still stands though."

Can't answer that, when I was in school we studied Eliot and Hemingway I remember.

But you prob. can't read Milton
for the Biblical allusions. Milton is now published with inches deep footnotes per page. He isn't even in "standard" anthologies.

High school students rarely now read the Puritans. Too much religion. You can't read The Scarlet Letter or anything by Melville or Hawthorne without it.

Young teachers of English aren't familiar with Fitzgerald or Hemingway, let alone Sherwood Anderson or William Faulkner, TS Eliot or John dos Passos. In my last year in pub. school teaching, I was reading Our Town z(Thorton Wilder) with a junior class when at lunch an English teacher in the next room asked where I got that wonderful play. She had never heard of it.

My current text in college English composition is NOTHING but how terrible it is to grow up in or live in or work in America. I use it rarely and run off tons of "outside" material, not only because students should receive a shared cultural past through their "higher" educations but also because the newer materail is just poorly written: grade-school vocabulary, no evidence of figures of speech, less of rhetorical devices, forget alliteration, assonance, consonance, puns, idioms, or--heaven forefend--humor.

The world of gender-challenged, sexually-mis-orientated, minority within a minority, non-English speaking disaffected short immigrant protestor is a dull world indead. Whatever outrage may have once existed at one time has devolved into a kind of formulaic drivel that is neither instructive nor enjoyable reading.

hunter2
I did read your first post. The wig comment gives me no idea if you read the column.
It just makes you sound like a complete idiot.
I've read other posts by you. Trust me, you couldn't shine her shoes.

renny
You've just described why I no longer watch television. I love Netflix, but I rarely watch anything made after 1970.

BTW, one of the few books I was required to read in High School was Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle". I read it for a history class, and it was used by the teacher to prove that FEDERAL oversight is necessary for untainted food, safe work environments, child labor laws, etc & etc. IOW, leftist propaganda.

I self-taught myself (no college) about Melville, Cooper, Hayek, Chaucer, Rand, ... so I cannot speak of the classes Ms Schlafly highlights, but nothing surprises me about the state of higher education.

katy the mean old lady writes
How does HER flea-ridden wig make ME an idiot? What are you talking about? You make no sense whatsoever.

I've had the displeasure of seeing Phyllis in person - she wears a reeeeallly tragic wig. Oh...I get it - you must wear a bad wig, too. Sorry about that.

As for her shoes...I would barf if I got anywhere near that old shrew's stinkin' feet!

(Sheesh! Right-wingers have NO sense of humor. All they can do is resort to name calling. Shouldn't surprise me, though, since they are for the most part incapable of making a valid point).

She speaks at UMass on Wednesday

Phyllis Schaffley will speak at UMass Amherst tommorow. Bawker Auditorium.

See http://www.umass.edu

Arrive EARLY as room only seats 500 or so.

English in college
I suppose I was lucky. My first English Lit professor was very passionate about Shakespeare, always refered to him as, 'William Shakespeare, my hero'. My second Lit prof taught the 18th century masters with zeal. Even in college classes, we had to memorize certain Shakespeare sonnets and soliloquies. I fell in love with the English language when I had to recite:

"So long as men can breathe, or eyes can see,
So long lives this, and this gives life to thee"

English
BTW, that was Sonnet 18, which starts with,'Shall I compare thee to a summer's day?'

Hunter quotes
"Right-wingers have NO sense of humor. All they can do is resort to name calling."

"Phyllis She-fly really is quite an ignorant, dried-up old bat"

welcome to the club "Right-winger"

Are English majors necessary?
--
I've always been a science geek *and* a writer, and it has seemed more and more evident to me as the decades pass that English today has become an essentially "content-less" field of undergraduate study. Literacy is rather like the knowledge of scientific methodology; it's an incidental, not a central focus of concentration.

• In order to convey information effectively, you have to be able to put your ideas into a form that other people can apprehend.

• These communication chores requires that you be effective in the use of symbols and *sets* of symbols (scientific jargon, legal terminology, MilSpeak, political weaselese, euphemism - all sorts of stuff).

• Symbols (and symbol sets) are the basic tools of thought. Unless you've learned - or devised - such symbols, you simply can't *think*.

Literacy in the English language requires skill in grammar (for precision and lucidity of expression) as well as familiarity with the common set of concepts underlying English-speaking culture.

That common set of concepts - found in "mainstream" literature - is what modern American academicians seem to be striving to overthrow.

As a science geek, I'm just all puzzled about *WHY* these silly sons-of-many-fathers have got this fixation.

If you look at the "Great Books" symbol sets, they entail conceptual elements that have been accumulated over literally thousands of extremely eclectic years, incorporated into the European and then the American "language" of thought on the basis of an essentially free market of ideas, and function as efficient common grounds of discussion and harmony in our culture.

Whyeverinhell are these university English Department members messing around with what is, in essence, nothing more than an extended set of definitions and other structured concepts of principal use in communications?

--

The Plumber writes
welcome to the club "Right-winger"
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I must learn to control myself. Name calling does nobody any good. I read an Ann Coulter column and it obviously rubbed off on me.

That being said, "(Sy)phyllis She-fly" does have a nice ring to it!

English...
I think the writer should also voice that you have a choice when it comes to choosing your classes. Although these are some of the courses one may choose, these are not the only ones. Shakespeare is still available to students, but students are choosing to take the courses they may view as easier, or that they feel matches their reading interests. At any rate, I am very shocked to read an article that deters young people from choosing a major based on scare tactics such as the shooting, or their own opinions of what is good reading. The purpose of using various readings is to give options and choices to different readers, not to turn them into monsters.
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