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Monday, August 27, 2007
Phyllis Schlafly :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Latest "Major" Fad in Public Schools
by Phyllis Schlafly
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Every few years a new fad sweeps through the public schools. There's been self-esteem, new math, whole language, New Age, outcome-based education, school-to-work, mental health screening, school-based clinics, global education, diversity, multiculturalism, and early childhood education.

The newest public school fad was announced last week on the front page of the New York Times, so educators must be taking it seriously. If it hasn't come to your town yet, no doubt it will come soon.

Freshmen at Dwight Morrow High School in New Jersey, starting this fall, must declare a major, and they must take at least one course in that subject every trimester for four years. The major will be noted on their diplomas.

How many teens between the ages of 14 and 18 do you think ever change their minds about what they like and don't like? Let's rephrase the question: Do you know any teenagers who don't frequently change their minds?

Most teens have a hard time deciding what to wear, what to eat, and with whom they will go to the prom. Most students probably haven't selected their lifetime career when they start college.

But at Dwight Morrow, those who change their minds are out of luck. If they find they don't like their original choice, they can't change unless they produce a "compelling reason," but even that might not be sufficient.

In preparation for this "choose major" plan, students were asked to write essays about what they wanted to specialize in. The most popular subject chosen was sports management.

The Times quoted a girl named Akelia who at 14 declared she wanted to be a lawyer, but after two years realized how much work she would have to put in studying "boring" cases, so she tried to switch to computers. Alas, she found she was locked into her major and prohibited from changing.

Don't worry about students' difficulty in making a decision. They will be assisted by a school guidance counselor whose task is to map out a six-year career path that even includes the first year of college.

If a teen is a world-class genius like Michelangelo, it could be a good thing to get started developing his talent early. But most of us are not Michelangelos, and we can't count on the "choose major" experiment to produce modern Michelangelos.

Most teens are not ready to lock into a lifetime career so early; they need to explore and investigate options and opportunities. Anyway, there are magnet schools for those who are ready for specialization.

Some jobs students choose today might not be available when they graduate, and other jobs could become available four years hence that don't exist today.

It is customary for educators to initiate their new fads in poorer schools where they feel they have a better chance to con parents and students into believing that they are getting the most modern improvements in education. The Dwight Morrow classrooms are ridiculously labeled "Harvard, Yale and Rutgers." Dwight Morrow is a high school with low test scores and racial tensions. Three-quarters of the student body is black or Hispanic, and 60 percent qualify for free or reduced lunches.

This "choose major" fad seems to have spread nationwide under the radar without prior publicity. Apparently, hundreds of high schools now require students to specialize, but most are not so rigid as to require a major.

Florida requires every ninth-grader to major in one of some 400 state-approved subjects ranging from world cultures to fashion design. South Carolina requires students to designate one of 16 career clusters from agriculture to architecture.

Mississippi has a pilot program to have ninth-graders choose one of seven career paths from construction to technology.

Like any new school fad, "choose major" of course requires more taxpayer funding. The New Jersey district has hired five new teachers, and set up advisory boards for each track that include performing artists, doctors, and lawyers.

Public schools should teach all first-graders to read by the time-tested phonics system, and teach all schoolchildren to know and use the fundamentals of arithmetic by the end of the third grade. This would end the shocking epidemic of illiteracy that now permits students to get into high school and even graduate without being able to read, write or calculate change at the grocery store.

Choosing a major won't solve the problem of high school dropouts who can't read, write, add, subtract, multiply, or divide. Public schools will remain a national embarrassment unless and until the fundamentals are taught in elementary classes.

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Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.
Where I live, we usually pioneer these idiotic educational fads, and while I've heard about these "majors" in high school and thought they were a bad idea, I didn't know about their inflexibility until now. Thank you for bringing this to my attention, Ms. Schlafly.

Right on except for one thing
The "time-tested" Phonics reading program should only be used if the child doesn't learn to read by the end of second grade. Children who can learn to read by what was called "sight reading" when I was in school in the early 50's should not be hampered by the slower drudgery of phonics. I was lucky enough to not be taught reading by phonics and could read much better than a friend of mine who is smarter than I am by any measure (including profession and earning power). He had been taught to read using phonics and had to think about every word while I just read.

Specializing in High School
I have taught senior high school and my opinion is that a lot of kids are going to want to change their "majors". However, it is worth noting that specialized high schools are nothing new and have often enjoyed very good reputation and excellent academic results. Schools specializing in performing arts (for which kids must audition) and "polytechnic" schools preparing kids for careers in science, engineering, and the building trades are hardly a fad.

One thing that happens developmentally in the teen years is that the kid begins to get a sense of who he or she is going to be as an adult. Unfortunately, in our traditional high school system, a lot of kids float around and don't develop that identity---they see high school as a place to socialize and have fun. I would much rather see a kid begin to think of him/herself as a bookkeeper or a dancer or a greenhouse-keeper or a plumber or a college-bound future historian or a cosmetologist or a nurse or a chemist than a party animal---which, all too frequently, is about all that happens in high school. But we must allow for late bloomers and not bind kids in too rigidly.

Remember that when we were an agricultural society, kids knew by about age sixteen how to fulfill their coming adult roles. Mostly now we let kids play until they are in college, and some continue playing until they are thirty (see recent articles on "extended adolescence"). I would like to see American adolescents take life more seriously. So maybe this new "fad" isn't so bad. It deserves a chance.

lilly: Yet again..................
"... specialized high schools are nothing new and have often enjoyed very good reputation and excellent academic results."

"Specialized high schools" IF the child is particularly gifted in one area or another, such as the arts or machanics, etc.


"One thing that happens developmentally in the teen years is that the kid begins to get a sense of who he or she is going to be as an adult."

NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!! Almost EVERY COLLEGE student changes his/her major at least once!

In fact, several years ago I worked with a girl who got a BS and MS in Chemical Eng. at Cornell (gives me the hives just thinking about it) and within a year of graduating, realized that she HATED it!!! She then went some school to learn how to be a software developer...

No doubt that was a more extreme situation, but there is NO WAY that 99.9% of high school kids have a clue about what's out there in the world, much less what they want to be "when they grow up!"

This whole "declare a major" thing is just one more reason that my daughter is bypassing public school and home schooling her children, and my son is sending his child to private school.






Ridiculous, yes
I know personally how much a teenager changes his mind.

In my junior year, I was interested in geology, and visited a few colleges looking at their geology departments. By the time I was halfway through my senior year, I was interested in physics, and took my first year in college in that. Later on, I decided on anthropology, and got my graduate degree in that, though in the meantime I got an associates in electrical engineering.

If I had been locked into geology in my junior year, I would have been miserable, and probably wouldn't be around to tell this.

http://www.countrymanscorner.blogspot.com

I don't think this will work
Lily I agree with much of what you wrote , but I would like to point out that our modern educational system is drastically different then what it was in our forefathers days. Middle class children were not expected to have well rounded educations as they are today.

Take the education of Ben Franklin, as an example. As a boy Franklin, had only two years of formal education before his father found him an apprenticship under a printer. During that time Franklin was not made to study history, math or science(although he seems to have had a natural desire to self educate). Instead he was taught what was important to learn to become a future printer. It was not considered necessary to group him with children of a similiar age in order to socialize him, instead young Franklin would have spent a considerable part of his youth surronded by adults.

I really don't see how such a system could work with today's children without drastically changing both the educational system and our modern view of adolescence.


Sight-reading
algib writes: "Children who can learn to read by what was called "sight reading" when I was in school in the early 50's should not be hampered by the slower drudgery of phonics."

Learning by sight-reading alone skips a vital step in understanding English.

English is not like Chinese. We don't form ideographs; English words are not pictures representing objects or actions. Rather, written words are visual representations of sound groups that have no intrinsic meaning of their own. The letters "P" "O" "N" "Y" don't form a picture of a dwarf horse; they form the sounds "po" and "nee", which together make a sound that means "a dwarf horse."

If kids don't learn to sound out words they don't know, they're locked into reading only words they're familiar with seeing. Some students may be bright enough to figure the sound groups naturally on their own, but ordinary students MUST go through the tedium of learning to sound out words. Otherwise, they are captive to their teachers, and can learn nothing without help.

This one factor, by the way, is arguably the single, greatest reason why so many students graduate high school without the ability to read.

Bureaucrats taking away choices
The plan we're looking at is yet another instance of government bureaucrats taking away individual choice.

How ironic that the people who champion this totalitarian abomination would most likely describe themselves as "pro-choice."

Quoting Krugman in today's NYTimes:

A Socialist Plot
By PAUL KRUGMAN
We offer free education because giving every child a fair chance is the American way. And we should guarantee health care to every child, for the same reason.
================end of excerpt===================
This shows that every entitlement is a stepping stone to another.

It is remarkable that Krugman rationalizes the existence of one FAILED entitlement program (K-12 education) as a justification for adding another entitlement program.

Could it be that he doesn't see public K-12 education in America as a failure?

Is it possible for an intelligent person like Krugman to believe that good intentions are more important than poor results?
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Sorry, I know that this is off-topic ..

Why would the
education establishment even consider anything so ridiculous? How hard is it to teach kids to read, write, and add? My message to the schools is this: Shut up and educate! And the government nitwits need to stay out of it to boot.

Sorry, this TOO is off-topic!
Our K-12 system shortchanges all students, irrespective of ability. Like most Statist systems, it purports to eliminate the inequity of opportunity. But the result is a low-quality, high-cost system for all!

: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :

consider the American market for food, which remains mostly in the free-enterprise arena (notwithstanding agricultural subsidies, food stamps etc). Are there any significant problems with the production, delivery or access? No. If anything, there is an oversupply .. and some bad choices made by individuals that lead to overconsumption and obesity!

Without the 'benefit' of Govt control, Americans happily deal with food choices that bewilder visitors from countries with planned economies. To many fresh-off-the-boat visitors, a trip to an American grocery store is like a trip to Disneyworld!

Let's see if we can build on the education: food analogy by looking at the demand and supply. Of course, since there is choice in the system, parents can choose the type of program that meets the needs of their child and their budget.

* bright kids : consumers of gourmet foods [moderately expensive]
* average kids : the mass market, with the most choices, ranging from high-quality food and junk food [average cost, determined by parental choice]
* below average kids : specialty foods [moderately expensive]
* kids with disabilities and/or special needs : specialty foods, nutritional supplements [more expensive]
--------------------end of excerpt---------------
"Free enterprise education" at:
http://voice.townhall.com/g/0e994f30-a84d-4ef4-b3d8-01d95a2f4a48

Guidance Illiteracy
Phyllis,
I can't believe what a waste of money guidance counselors continue to be. When I told my daughter's counselor where we were applying for College he said we were over reaching and recommended a second tier College,as after all, his own son was attenting there.

My reply was we don't lower the bar in our family,we raise it. She not only got accepted to her to where she wanted to go,but graduated a semester early with honors. I was told to go to a trade school by my own counselor and, oh gee, I made it through six years with a MA in Public Policy.

Why doesn't the Government-
just choose the major for these kids. These kids have been coddled enough. The Government should not only choose their major but what vocation they will go into. Government will know how many people will need to go into the medical field, manufactoring, law enforcement or what ever needs to be filled. Do not give these kids a choice. Make them take majors that are more for the common good. Only the very bright or artistic students should be given a choice.

I do hope everyone understands that I am being completely sarcastic.

Broadening
When I reached college, I had only vague notions of what I should major in. My father shrugged and told me "take all of the classes that 'majors' require. By the time you've gotten them, you'll have a better idea.

It is true. ALL majors required certain math, english, earth sciences, etc., and my Freshman year was filled to capacity with them.

Inadvertently I had "opened doors" all over the campus, and when I did settle on a major (which I changed later) I had prerequisites aplenty.

In High School, learn to read, write and spell well. Learn as much math, science, economics, history, social studies, art, music and for God's sake, LEARN TO TYPE!

The rest of your life will fall into place if you have these 'door openers'. You can focus on a specialty later.

It's not a failure
Voice of Reason, 7:36 PM, wondered whether folks like Krugman don't see K-12 education as a failure.

VoR, the truth is, K-12 education is NOT a failure, it's a stunning success. It's all a matter of defining one's goals. Bear with me...

The success of the public education system is reflected in the opening paragraphs of Dr. Alan Bloom's excellent book, The Closing of the American Mind:

"There is one thing a professor can be absolutely certain of: almost every student entering the university believes, or says he believes, that truth is relative. If this belief is put to the test, one can count on the students' reaction: they will be uncomprehending. That anyone should regard the proposition as not self-evident astonishes them, as though he were calling into question 2 + 2 = 4... the relativity of truth is... a moral postulate, the condition of a free society, or so they see it.... this is the virtue, the only virtue, which all primary education for more than gigty years has dedicated itself to inculcating.... The point is not to correct the mistakes and really be right; rather it is not to think you are right at all."

If the goal of American public education were to teach reading, math, science, and the arts, it would be a failure. That's not its goal. Its goal is to teach moral relativism and postmodernism. At this, it is an unparalleled success. This is why Krugman wants to replicate it.

fad
This is the worse thing I've ever heard of. Kids can't decide what they want to do at 14. This is just another bunch of crap so the school can cover up it's poor teaching skills. If kids can't read or do basic math how can they decide to be doctors or lawyers. How many kids want to be professional basketball players at 14, that's why there are so many wanting sports management, whatever the hell that is.

Switcheroo...
If high schools are trying to become more like colleges...and colleges are becoming more like high schools...then will high schools someday become like high schools again?

inkling_revival, I see your point.
In my naivete, I had assumed that the goal of public education was .. to EDUCATE!

Seriously, though - I don't ascribe evil motives to most leftists of the do-gooder type. Onviously, there are the Stalin-types, who deserve the 'evil' label. But most leftists are misguided by their own wishful thinking.

Well intentioned leftists think that they can wish for a different form of human animal, and make it so. By suspending the laws of cause and effect, they believe that if they wish for a particular effect, they can eliminate the need to understand the causes.

Not surprisingly, they dream up utopian schemes that are inconsistent with human predilections. When those schemes fail (e.g. Public Education), they blame the failures on those 'imperfect humans'.

I believe that the strength of Capitalism - which is the bedrock of American values - is NOT that it is utopian. In fact, its success comes from the fact that it is consistent with human behavior.

In our recent interaction (on another thread) we debated the religious (in particular American Protestant) basis for American success. Not to denigrate those contributions in freeing men to think - but it is the fact that American Capitalism is consistent with human beings that 'aligns the planets' for modern-day Americans.

All other systems rely on a species that is non-human. Communism relies on a perverse form of altruism. Monarchy relies on an omniscient, benevolent ruler. But capitalism harnesses our self-interest!

How very proactive
of these schools to square these kids away so soon after they decide they want to be Snoop Dogg, Shaq, or Johnny Depp.

A Better Approach
Some parents in the homeschooling movement have a different approach to this.

Some are networking to apprentice/intern/volunteer their kids in a field of the kid's interest during the summers in the high school years. It means finding a professional/expert that is willing to have an interested student follow along and assist in the field while giving the student advice about how and where to get the right academic and skill training.

For example: a student may take an interest in animals in his or her freshmen year and considers veterinary medicine as a possible career. That summer the kid volunteers in a vet's office all summer. (S)he may really enjoy it and be advised to take a heavier science/math load in the next few years and start looking into vet schools, OR the kid may realize that dealing with injured/sick animals isn't the right fit, and seeks out other fields related to animals such as breeding or training and may need some business schooling or maybe specialty training for training assistance dogs.

Having participated in a real life situation, it gives the kid focus, motivation, encouragement, and expert advice by someone who REALLY knows (not a guidance counselor who is not an expert in any of the specific fields) while saving the kid and parents poorly invested time and tuition in the wrong major.

Inkling_revival (contd)
This is a continuation of our previous discussion regarding the basis for the success that we Americans enjoy.

If religion was the direct cause, Capitalism would have flourished in Europe (England in particular, since it shares a common heritage).

At best, you could make the case that religion was a proximate cause - because the Reformation freed men from a dogmatic belief system. There too, it is the modernizing of religion that set the stage for free thought. It is what the Founding Fathers created IN SPITE OF the prevailing belief systems that led to Capitalism.

American capitalism came from the economic extrapolation of individual liberty - from monarchy, from serfdom, from an institutionalized, dogmatic Church, from centuries of historical precedence that had not led to any enduring prosperity.

Social experimenting on kids again
Dwight Morrow High School is a very troubled institution:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_Morrow_High_School

And with the asinine "major" plan for Dwight Morrow High School students, expect matters to get even worse.

Immature Understanding
A high school freshman (and some seniors) has only a limited understanding of what a particular career field requires.

Case in point: as a freshman, I vaguely thought I'd like to be either a computer programmer or a writer. I knew I didn't like math or science. Teaching had been suggested to me, but I was sure I didn't want to do that. You may notice that my first choice of career didn't match my academic interests.

Sixteen years later, I hold a BS in Physics, have nearly completed a Master's degree in math, and I teach both math and science in high school. My freshman self would be horrified to see me now.

One of the few strengths of American education is that it gives kids the chance to grow up without locking them on a particular path while they're still too immature to make wise decisions about their future.

Boycott public schools
I can see many people saying "that only works if you are rich, and you can afford to pay taxes AND the cost of Private School". Both my kids have been in Private School from the very beginning. If you bought a new car within the last couple of years, or took a vacation, you could afford Private School as well for YOUR kids.

If you value the education (and therefore the future) of your kids, you will not send them to a broken system. The analogy is that of a restaurant - would you eat at a place that served overpriced, low quality food? Would you care that if you didn't patronize such a restaurant it might go out of business?

Why do people hold 'non-profit or public' systems to a lower standard of acceptability than 'for-profit or private' systems?

The alternatives are expensive, and most of us can't afford it. But the demand will set the market free again, producing higher quality at a lower cost.

The status-quo will cause quality to drop and costs to rise.

Boycott public schools (contd)
I have often wondered why good teachers would be against school choice? The reality is that school choice would increase the demand (read: pay) for good teachers in public AND private schools. And yes, it may get incompetent teachers fired.

Question to educators: have you wondered WHY so many parents are FOR school choice? If your world-view leads you to dismiss such parents as un-informed right-wingers, consider that there are many 'regular' folks, who desperately realize that their kids are being short-changed by an expensive, low-quality system - which simultaneously kills the market for a lower cost, high-quality system.

Because, somehow free-enterprise has done that (lower cost, high quality) in just about every area!

Paraphrasing loosely from "The Bell Curve":

"the most significant damage is being done by our public education system to the gifted (top 2%) kids in every generation. And, those are the kids upon whom our future rests".

And lest you think that I am making some kind of elitist statement, the top 2% of a nation of 300 million represents 6 million of us, over many generations.

Any parent who thinks that their kid may be 'gifted' should vote (with their ballots AND their feet) AWAY from public education.

Affording Other Options
There is a myth in our culture that we live in a two income economy. Millions of people around the country earning average incomes are living proof this is not true. They are able to homeschool their larger than average number of children. Others have mom working during school hours to cover the cost of tuition at a private institution (may of which have tuitions at the same or lower cost than the state's average per pupil funding.)

To insure educational options on a modest income do the following:

1. Ladies, marry a man with a marketable skill and an excellent work ethic who shares your views on finances, child rearing, religious/philosophical beliefs, and lifestyle choices. If you are not practically compatible in addition to romantically attracted you will probably get divorced. Single parenthood almost always eliminates financial freedom to choose educational options unless you earn a lot of money.

2. While you are a "Dual Income No Kids" couple make every single financial decision on the husband's income. NO EXCEPTIONS! Put the wife's income in savings.

3. Avoid debt like the plague. Debt is the enemy.

4. Mom stays home and raises the infant-prechool kids herself careful to instill nurture and discipline. Badly behaved children are difficult to teach and will not make it in a homeschool or private school setting. Look into private and home options in these years so you don't make any knee-jerk decisions.

5. If you choose private school over homeschooling, mom returns to the workforce during school hours and her income covers tuition.

Way too many couples marry for the wrong reasons and make financial decisions based on the moment- not long term. They eliminate choices in their futures by making bad choices in the present.

algib - don't dismiss phonics
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I was taught to read in the '50s, too, and while the nuns used the "sight reading" books current at that time, they *taught* phonics, and this rebellion against a foolish fad was fortuitous.

The alphabet we've inherited through the Grecolatinate roots of our language has always been a phonetic system of coding.

"Sight reading" (in which children are taught the "shapes" of particular words) is an effort to change a phonic system of coding into an ideogrammatic one, like Chinese.

Treating a word in the American language as a grossly recognizable symbol rather than a construct of letters and syllables wreaks havoc with the ability to decipher and pronounce new words, making it just about impossible to understand the roots of such a word and thereby take its meaning.

It also makes learning a foreign language a helluva difficult proposition. If you don't have a well-practiced grip on the pronunciation rules in American English, you're going to have almost insuperable troubles getting a handle on the differing articulations of written words in other languages using much the same alphabet.

Yes, "the slower drudgery of phonics" is boringly repetitious.

So is practicing the job of field-stripping your personal weapon over and over and over until you can do it in dead darkness guided by nothing more than your sense of touch.

Both approaches, however, leave you with weapons skills that are far more reliable in crisis situations than the seductive ease of short cuts that leave you markedly less capable in the long haul.

--
"Tren for det verste - bli de beste"
("Train for the worst, become the best")

Motto of det Hærens Taktiske Treningssenter
(the Norwegian Army's Tactical Training Centre)

Homeschool Mom
My goodness, why would you try to make sense in this confused caotic society.

Good comment, I agree completely, except, I would hate to think that a woman married me for my money only when I'm so handsome.

Just kidding!

that's funny
I'm not implying that calling a woman handsome is an insult or anything, but foxfire sure is handsome.

Junkyard Dog
Junkyard, you've been up to late.

Foxfire is all man, at least I still shave every morning. After 45 years of marriage I'm not as sauve as I once was.

Although, the wife hasn't told me that I was handsome lately. Do you think that I might be getting ugly.
Naaa! I gotta have a few good years left.

Good night. I've got to go get some beauty sleep

Why don't "educrats" who
come up with these ridiculous fads see the light and realize what a laughingstock public education has become? Oh yeah, that would mean looking at the truth.

After reading this article I am pretty sure that my son had this going on at his highschool last year when he was a freshman. The kids were supposed to make this "6 year plan" which was the 4 high school years and 2 college years.
I do not recall my son ever having to claim a "major" though. The principal responsible for this? From L.A.! He has been replaced this year, and hopefully so has the "plan."

Also, my son came home from school today and announced he will have $50 in "lab fees" for various classes. Then he tells me the school will no longer provide writing paper for the students, can no longer afford overhead materials for the teachers, etc. At +$6000 per kid (paid by the state via our taxes) WHAT is happening to this money? I can guarantee the "no money for supplies" story will be used to increase the taxes for public education even more, probably to hire those special "major" counselors.

Why don't "educrats" who
come up with these ridiculous fads see the light and realize what a laughingstock public education has become? Oh yeah, that would mean looking at the truth.

After reading this article I am pretty sure that my son had this going on at his highschool last year when he was a freshman. The kids were supposed to make this "6 year plan" which was the 4 high school years and 2 college years.
I do not recall my son ever having to claim a "major" though. The principal responsible for this? From L.A.! He has been replaced this year, and hopefully so has the "plan."

Also, my son came home from school today and announced he will have $50 in "lab fees" for various classes. Then he tells me the school will no longer provide writing paper for the students, can no longer afford overhead materials for the teachers, etc. At +$6000 per kid (paid by the state via our taxes) WHAT is happening to this money? I can guarantee the "no money for supplies" story will be used to increase the taxes for public education even more, probably to hire those special "major" counselors.

Excuse the double post, not
sure why this happened.

Another Phonics Post
Homeschoolers don't spend a year with a child and then hand them off to someone else for the next year. We have to live with the consequences of our teaching methods and I think it increases the motivation to research these types of debates because there is no one to blame but ourselves if it doesn't go well. So, we tend to avoid trends.

It is interesting that it is almost impossible to buy any reading approach other than phonics in the homeschooling educational market (the freest market out there.) The local book stores are full of sight word methods and phonics hybrids, but most homeschoolers are uninterested in them.

Yes, there are basically two stages of learning phonics. The first is the sound it out or decoding stage which is slow and meticulous. The second is the fluency stage where they have sounded out words so often they have memorized them by sight. Some of them take longer to get to stage two. That foundation of the first stage will get them through tricky, uncommon, unfamiliar words in the future.

Many of those sight word kids hit a wall at 3rd or 4th grade and are helpless at higher reading levels when they encounter words they have never seen before. Since they are unable to decode (sound out letter combinations) they are likely to struggle later. There are a few kids who do okay with sight reading because they are intuitively good at picking out patterns, but most kids are not.

If you want to see children who were taught the sight method look completely bewildered and helpless ask them to look up a misspelled word in an unabridged dictionary. They will always ask the same question, "How can I look up a word if I don't know how to spell it?" If they were familiar with different letter combinations that make the same sounds, they could look up misspelled words.

Phonics
is the best way, and most proven way, to teach reading. Our kids knew how to read before they entered the gov't schools because we taught them phonics as they were growing up. They entered Kindergarten reading books that the other kids couldn't read until 3rd or 4th grade.

The gov't will choose the majors and this is only putting feelers out. The Nanny gov't will eventually choose who is worthy to do they jobs they select for. If the powers that be do not like your family, you will be a janitor or flip hamburgers for a career.

the solution
Phyllis Schlafly writes:"Public schools will remain an embarassment unless and until the Fundamentals ars taught in elementary classes"...this should read"Public schools will remain an embarassment unless and until the TEACHERS UNION IS ABOLISHED."

It figures
The same liberals who are responsible for our retrograde society in which another 'fad' known as "failure to launch" has 30-year-olds still living with mom and dad now think 13-year-olds are ready to make informed decisions about what they will do for a living for the next 40+ years.

Right.

I guess whacko libs aren't satisfied with screwing kids up emotionally by shoving sex, condoms, and abortion at them at age 13. Now they want to screw up their careers as well.

As I read the article I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop; for Schlafly to tell me what the teacher's unions were getting out of this. Sure enough, it came down in the 17th paragraph (3rd from the end) that states were hiring 5 new teachers per district to leech off this fad at the expense of kids well-being.

There is nothing liberals won't ruin, no one they won't hurt, to get themselves a little bigger piece of the pie.

Remember this 'fad' the next time some lib tries to sell you the next big new gov't program "for the sake of the kids".

You can be very sure they're not doing anything for the sake of the kids.

Regarding fads
When she listed fads she forgot to mention bilingual ed, and she forgot to mention mainstreaming.


Schools
and you wonder why our schools rank so low in the world wide scheme of things? They are trying to copy the German program and take it further. In Germany the Kids are told by I believe, junior high whether they are going to trade school or college by what their grades and aptitude are.
As far as sight reading, My oldest daughter was reading (by phonics) writing, adding and subtracting before she started kindergarden and the teachers and admin had "dumbed down" the curriculum so bad that they couldn't keep her attention and she struggled so bad she almost flunked first grade. It is a teachers job to teach by what ever means he or she has to so as to ensure each and every child gets the best education possible. I have always said the best teachers are the ones who look at teaching as a carreer and not a job.

Public schools
Are ever increasingly becoming educational-less cesspools.

I'll admit that I knew, in high school, that I wanted to be an English major in college. By my senior year, I had completed the core requirements of my high school so I took five English classes (one year-long and four semester-long, two each semester).

But I'm a rarity, and I didn't know what I wanted to do with that degree. I started wanting to be a high school teacher (that didn't work), then journalism, etc.

None of my friends have, of this post, completely settled on a career. And we're all in our mid-20s.

This is ridiculous.

And - without a doubt - students who don't choose PC majors with PC job goals in mind will be ridiculed and harassed.

no public schools for us...
We homeschooled our son for 2 years. We have decided to send him to school with his brother and sister this year - a private Christian school.

My daughter is entering kindergarten - the teacher is the Western New York Teacher of the Year (public and private). Their son has a full scholarship to to the US Naval Academy. Another St. John graduate had a perfect score on her SAT math. She was accepted at MIT.

Can't argue with success. A fabulous academic program and an uncompromisingly Christian atmosphere.

Whole Language Reading
was designed to teach DEAF children who could not sound out words by the phonics method. Because it was so successful in that mileau, the idiots in the bureaucracy decided that it should be foisted on the entire educational establishment. Mama taught my hippie sister to read by phonics, because she was clearly falling behind using the Whole Language (memorizing what a word looks like) method, and by the time the next sister started school the fad had faded away.

As for declaring a major in high school, well I was in high school in the 1960s during the British Invasion and everyone I knew wanted to be a pop star or part of a garage band (and lots of us were), and my personal ambition was to be a disc jockey in New York City like my hero Murray The K. That, of course, was after I had been told that Girls could not be astronauts, lawyers, doctors, scientists or anything else but teachers, nurses, mommies or (if too stupid for college or too plain for marriage) secretaries. Although I have had a very nice avocation in classical music, I went through my classical education, travelled around the world, and then got work as a secretary -- which has developed into a very complex high-tech position at least in the field of law, that none of the current Girls want to do because its too hard and interferes with Life. Oh, and my second job, motorsport journalist, was not open to Girls (heck, even allowing a Girl in the pitlane even if she was your wife was Bad Luck and forbidden!) way back then. I would have been good at it. Alas.

No substitute
for phonics. Why build on sand when there's bedrock a little deeper down? Phonics is the foundation of our language.

It's infuriating to watch idiots play with the future lives of others with their social engineering fads and schemes.

hm
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site
is screwing up again.

And yet,
if a child chooses to specialize in Architecture, he is singled out for punishment.

http://kilroyreport.townhall.com/g/c243ce87-202a-4bab-9e8e-0cba1bec9e37


Government schools....
So-called free education was one of Karl Marx's ideas. Part of it is below, directly from an English translation of his and Engel's manifesto.
One of the things socialist/communists like to do is to "direct" students into areas they think the kids will work well into.

This is ridiculous in a free society.
I have 3 kids, 2 still teens, and I hardly know anyone who knows exactly what they want to do at the age of 18. I'd like to ask the people who are implementing this how many of them knew what they wanted to do for a career or job at that age.



"Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists.

On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. But this state of things finds its complement in the practical absence of the family among the proletarians, and in public prostitution.

The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital.

Do you charge us with wanting to stop the exploitation of children by their parents? To this crime we plead guilty.

But, you will say, we destroy the most hallowed of relations, when we replace home education by social.

And your education! Is not that also social, and determined by the social conditions under which you educate, by the interventlon, direct or indirect, of society, by means of schools, &c.? The Communists have not invented the intervention of society in education; they do but seek to alter the character of that intervention, and to rescue education from the influence of the ruling class.

The bourgeois clap-trap about the family and education, about the hallowed co-relation of parent and child, becomes all the more disgusting.."

The Father Land
This is what the Germans do. Once locked in thats it. Get low grades ooh thats not good, fail the one shot final exam and no university for you and end up sweeping the streets maybe forever.

We have been slowly integrating the German system into ours for year, thus the word Kindergarten" . I think this German concept makes for a less productive society. One of the great things about Americans, is that we are multi talented and creative thinkers, coming up with the best ideas, technology and goods the world has ever know. This come via being free to choose whatever you want to be, whenever you want. Imagine only being allowed to watch one cable channel for the rest of your life and its only about farming. About as boring as watching grass grow.

Get ready to hammer me...
...but I'm going to say this anyway.

When I was a kid, I was interested in military history and such topics. For a while in college I tried out, well, several fields. I ended up getting married, dropping out (though with around 100 hours under my belt, and a 3.7 GPA), working as a bricklayer for a while, then in a factory for a few months, then... joined the Army where I have been happily ever since.

My brother was always interested in media of various sorts -- books, electronic media, engravings, woodcuts. At around age ten or eleven, he visited the Henderson State University library and checked out books on acid-etching, early printing techniques and medieval scriptoria! After pursuing other goals at Vanderbilt, he ended up... managing the largest regional library in southeast Arkansas.

My mom was always interested in what her teachers did, and wanted to help out. She became first a public school teacher, then moved up to the foreign language department at Ouachita Baptist University.

My Dad was noted as a child for circulating around church each Sunday, shaking hands and chatting just like the preacher. He enjoyed reading my Granddad's old sermon outlines. He became... a Baptist minister (and a bricklayer, by trade).

An observer could quite likely identify which fields *most* children show an aptitude for, or will eventually gravitate to, but doing so depends on too many factors working correctly...the observer must be SKILLED and OBJECTIVE, much time and opportunity must be available for close observation of each individual child, and all parents must be knowledgeable and observant of their children. These factors are unlikely to work perfectly often enough to make the program workable.

beachmom
I thought I read that public schools were first instituted by the czars of Russia. It was originally, about creating a good and loyal citizen, a sort of indoctrination program.

Actually, the Puritans
started public education in America, as well as Harvard University.

I teach English in a private high school, and my students are victims of the whole language garbage. The reason they have such a hard time reading is they can't sound out a word over two syllables, especially if it has a dipthong in it.

I used to be outraged by trends in public education, but now I'm just amused. We can't teach grammar, civics or geography, but by golly, let's teach courses in sports administration!

High School
After 75 years, I know that all kids need for HS is how to do written and spoken English, and Yes! that means understanding dangling modifiers and using a possessive with a gerund. Teach English in the context of History, and then teach Math (at least to trig) in the context of Chemistry and Physics. Then turn 'em loose.

Pre Law
I was a Political Science major in college where I took numerous courses that were intended to prepare me for law school. Now that I am actually in law school, I have to say that those "pre law" classes in college did not prepare me for the rigours of briefing case or the socratic method. I can't fathom how a high school could plan courses intended to prepare students for law school or for any other professional school. Are they going to hire teacher's with J.D.s? Probably not. This is ridiculous.

Torn on this subject ...
The high school my children attend has had the "clusters" in place for many, many years. I HATED them initially because my "slacker" eldest son chose the easiest of all -- Creative Arts -- and was allowed to pack his schedule wall to wall with choirs and dramas and bands and little in the way of meaningful academics. He's now 22 and still floating meaninglessly through life with no qualifications to do anything, bouncing from low-wage job to low-wage job. My middle child also took the easy route, lasted one "slacker" year in college, and now, thankfully, has "found herself" in the Marines. She was never challenged by her "cluster" and never developed study skills or discipline to help her through college.

My youngest started his Freshman year yesterday. I am pleased to report that the graduation requirements for ALL students have been made more rigorous in terms of the # of math, science, history and English and language credits they must have to graduate, so that no more students will be able to "float" through on drama and music classes. This year is the first time I've heard the word "Major" floated about, but I don't have an objection to it. My son has determined since he was in the 6th grade that he wants to make it into the Naval Academy or else be an architect, so he is in an "Engineering Major" that includes Honors sciences and maths. It's rigorous and challenging and in line with his ambitions. But he can change his "Major" at any time, because the core classes are still required classes, no matter what he decides he wants to move into.

As long as they stay flexible in terms of changing "Majors", and have core classes that apply across all "Majors" as colleges do, then I don't really see much problem with this.


*sigh*
This silly "pick a major when your 14" fad is just one more reason (among many) that I won't send my three little boys to public school.

School choice - the only way to go!

AMEN, MJ!
Couldn't have said it better myself. I tell my students all the time that they will be judged in this life on how they speak and how they write. I also tell them they need to be able to read difficult texts if they want to avoid a 25% mortgage rate or overpaying their taxes. I teach American literature in its historical context, and we are not afraid to read controversial books, even in a Christian school. Christian kids need to be equipped to deal with the liberal hostility they will face in secular colleges, so I try to make sure they are ready.

Education?
So as I have read the news in the last several years, a student may not draw gun, stick figures shooting at each other, but later they are supposed to pick a major at age 14? It appears to me that there will soon be zero tolerance for anything in the public schools except sitting there and choosing a major.

I do not have any children and school was from 1956 to 1968. In my school years a lot depended on dealing with reality. As a severely asthmatic child I had to be aware of what classes I could not take: auto body shop, wood shop, and any class that had a high volume of particulates in the air. As for what I wanted to do when I was 14. I knew I could not excel in athletics; you have to be physically big and have talent, early.

It appears to me that the best preparation for later life is the basics, reading, math, writing clear, concise, and cogent sentences. What does a child need to succeed in later life. And what if that student wants to be a gun smith? What if he works on and cleans firearms when he is 13 or 14? Could he even broach the subject in school?

But I guess it is:

Don't turn around
The Commissar's in town
Don't think that thought
Don't write it down.

Just come up with a major
We'll take care of the rest.

I'm glad I went through it long ago.

Dr. K


mantlejim
That passage I posted was right from the manifesto on communism.
Marx and his people wanted religion out of everything. No God.
When the Puritans started their version of public education and Harvard one of the stated goals was a religious education. You could choose to send your kid or not. This is where school choice comes in handy.

Dr.K
One of my boys did a report about a career in the military and they were required to illustrate. He of course, drew a soldier holding a gun and was promptly taken to the office, I was called and the school cop was brought in.
I asked them if they expected him to draw a soldier holding a feather.

Another way to see this
Seems to me that another way to see this is a process of elimination.
If the child picks a field and then hates the coursework, that's one less thing they'll try in college before finding the right major!

Pax, I'm just joking!

Changing Majors
I changed majors three times in college (not counting changes between my undergraduate and graduate degrees). In High School I would have chosen something different from what I did n college.

I think there's some benefit to having students focus their work, but being locked in is a bad idea. If they even allowed the students to change at the beginning of each year then the idea might be palatable.

A big "Thumbs Up" for this article.
Phyllis Schlafly is dangerous.

She makes too much sense.

your email system
It is to difficult to send you articles to a friend, it could be made a lot easier. I want be sending many as difficult as it is.

That settles it
guys it can't be anything to worry about because Robert says so. He's never wrong.

Beachmom
In art class in high school I made a sculpture of a Greek soldier wielding a sword (fighting an imaginary Hydra) and one of a German soldier in snow coveralls aiming a rifle: I got an A on both. I wonder if that subject matter is allowed in art class now.

I drew airplanes: B-17s, Messerschmitts, eventually built models of every type from World War II, that led to reading my grandparents two-volume set of Winston Churchill's World War Two and the American Heritage history of World War I and eventually to studying history, ending with a Ph.D.

Does a school system have to close a student's mind through ever widening censorship? It seems that instead of investing in a student's natural interest, the schools are more interested in their own agendas and promoted by the school administration.

My older brother had his children home schooled; not without being ostracized by the local school administration.

I think the public school system now is just in the business of scamming more money from a gullible public.

Dr. K

tried and true
Reality is the best way to succeed in life is to have a well rounded education. Most CEO's and CFO's do not have degrees in Business. Most have a Liberal Arts degree. It's what you do with it that counts. Many adults do indeed change their mind on majors. I did. I quit my third year of law school.

Back when i was in COLLEGE...
My guidance counselor/professor used to say:

"There is only one thing that is more frightening than a Senior that is clueless about a major... and that is a Freshman that is certain of one".

But it's so European
... to track children at an early age. Most of the nations of Western Europe have a major "test" that is given to students between 11 and 14 years of age, to determine which track they will follow in their secondary education. (The tracks fall generally along what we used to call academic and vocational.)

Far Eastern nations do something similar, although the ages at which children are tracked vary.

Dwight Morrow's approach is somewhat different, it appears, since students will make their own choices rather than being assigned based on the results of a test.

But this measure has the potential to develop into full-blown vocational tracking. Frankly, such a state policy becomes an obstacle to personal choice, especially for late-bloomers. People do overcome the obstacle, but not nearly as readily as they do in the US.

It's not actually inappropriate, in my view, for the VOTERS to have an idea of the outcome they want public schools to produce. We had "vocational/technical" tracks in public high schools for decades, and for a reason. But I do wonder if we are all really agreed on the view of humanity that underlies the state channeling people at an early age into vocational tracks. I think most Americans have some natural resistance to that concept -- and to the idea that state-run schools should be supervising children in that commitment, rather than their parents.

lilly writes:
I would like to see American adolescents take life more seriously. So maybe this new "fad" isn't so bad. It deserves a chance.

Sure and we can combine it with a string of 5 year economic plans and really get the country on the right or left path. How about teaching kids the basics and letting them decide for themselves what they want to do after they have aquired the skills needed. Vince Lombardy once said "the team that tackles the best and blocks the best wins the game". Let's get back to blocking and tackling and get rid the trick plays.

Be careful what you ask for
Equi, please, please, be careful what you ask for. If the Dems retain Congress and attain the White House, it may come to pass.

Since dems love control, deciding what a childs major, vocation, training and where it will take place is just a logical extension of their view of government as the nanny state and themselves as super nanny. The only thing necessary to complete this will be to outlaw home-schooling, mandating that all children be "educated" in government schools.

The various teacher unions will start salivating at the thought of complete control of a child, turning them all into brain dead automatons.

The logical extension of this is the decline of the US into 3rd world status, just as the dems seem to want.

Taproot


equi writes
I do hope everyone understands that I am being completely sarcastic.

Hey, that's LD's job. You need to come up with your own schtick! Just kidding.

for what it's worth, my HS experience
Case in point:

I was intending music as a profession until the middle of my final high school year (1981). Then I woke up and smelled the coffee and switched my university application paperwork from "music performance" to "computer science." Graduated 1986 with a software degree and have !never! looked back. And boy am I glad that the school system didn't lock me into the "music" decision any earlier.
So isn't music a viable career? Sure, for many it is, but IMHO you not only have to be talented, you have to be lucky (get that big break, be discovered). Can't quite guarantee that last part.

As a HS student frankly I was a bit of an impractical dreamer ... maybe there are one or two others out there who are the same. Perhaps all teenagers need to be protected from themselves, at least sometimes :-)

What I Want to Do When I Grow Up
I'm 43, and I still don't know.

This is one more example of the fuzzy logic we get from the Ed.D's out there, and it will only get worse. It's a Darwinian process: More and more students who have been imbued with these Socialist notions about educational theory come out of colleges, and they teach more and more of their successors, who teach their successors, and the downward spiral in our kids' education becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

And so, we have schools whose vice principals have middle school boys charged for sexual harassment for participating in a school-tolerated "Slap Butt Day," or a student suspend for drawing a gun--not drawing it, Newark-style, from concealment, but drawing it with a pen and paper. But our secondary students do worse and worse in standardized tests, in comparison with students from other countries.

That's OK. They won't cure cancer, they can't even figure out your change at the checkout, but they'll be sensitive to Heather's two mommies.

The old saw really is true: Those who can't do, teach, and those who can't teach, become administrators.

Hillary delenda est.

Yet Another Alternative
There is yet another approach by other homeschoolers.

Many homeschoolers have children who graduate from high school by age 16. (Something most good students in institutions could do if allowed to work at their own paces.) Then the student goes into the workforce full time for 1-2 years while living at home and saving every dollar. (This is a big reason Homeschool Legal Defense Association fights increasing the age of mandatory school attendance above 16 in all states.) During that time the kid looks into career options by talking to people in their various fields of interest and looking into different colleges.

When the student is 18 (s)he then decides on a career path and pays for most or all of it him/herself.

It's amazing the clarity spending your own hard earned money gives you. It also increases your motivation to make the most of your self paid education. The extra time to mature by being a real live working grown up providing for your own future has value all on its own. It avoids what is often entry into the debt cycle common in our society. These are young adults who also have the option to marry in their early to mid 20s.

I'm surprised it wasn't designers
When I retired from pub. schools in 2004, the really biggest new program was computer-generated clothing design, for which everyone enrolled thinking each would be the new Bill Bass or Givenchy (who?). That most young people have only what I could call Old Navy low-end clearance sale aesthetics, what any could be the new designger of besides bunny bedroom slippers (they could be frogs?) and plaid pajama bottoms (they could be houndstooth?) is a reach.

Under Whitman in NJ, we had a commissioner who wanted to institute "career ed" where each kid around jr. high would pick 4 poss. jobs and devote themselves to accomplishing some nebulous careers studies until proficient and then "graduate." What would happen to Algebra I or Shakespeare or World Civ. was unaccounted for.

Anyway, before Whitman's tenure was up, the commish went the way of all flesh and the idea became moot. Just proving no bad idea in "education" is completely annihilated, the career dealy is evidently back and thriving again.

IRT
What would I take if I want to be an Icr Road Trucker? Drivers Ed?

Choosing a career at age 14
Thirty years after graduating I ran into a guy I used to pal around with when we were 17-18.

We had a good laugh over dinner and drinks about how we both were doing jobs that we never knew existed when we were in high school. I had no idea that there were guys who made their living managing construction work and he had no idea there were people who counseled others on how to combine their insurance and investment portfolios.

But kids today are supposed to make these decisions at age 14.

Another quintessentially liberal program that serves liberals (in this case the teachers' unions) by setting others up to fail.

One career they wouldn't mention:
Homemaker.

Taproot
Regarding you post at 12:39 PM:

If this 'fad' of choosing a 'major' at age 14 sticks, how long will it be before the socialist schools you describe begin ASSIGNING children majors based what the 'state' thinks they are good at or, worse, what jobs the 'state' thinks need to be filled?

Big Picture / Little Picture
It is no coincidence that most of the top universities in our country are liberal arts programs. They graduate students that have been tought how to learn for a lifetime (you don't enter the workforce knowing everything you will ever need), can write, research, communicate and analyze. The rest are hard-core technical schools that attract the very top math minds. Either type of school prepares students with a flexible set of problem-solving skills.

Most college students change majors at least once, frequently with the guidance of career centers that know what skills employers are looking for. High school administrators have very little private-sector experience and have no idea how to truly direct a student's aptitudes toward an appropriate career goal.

In HS I was equally good at math/science and english/humanities, but was told my the administrators at my public school that quantitative skills are more rare and I could best differentiate myself through an engineering major. Fortunately I was in the engineering program at a predominantly liberal arts school and after two years of misery turned my analytical abilities to economics and after a few years of work experience (where I REALLY learned what jobs were out there) an MBA. My HS counseler never even suggeste a business program that would combine math and communications skills; how can we expect them to help 14 year-olds lock into (as the described program does) a "major" when he doesn't even know yet what his aptitudes are, nevermind interests?

One class per quarter for four years equals 12 classes, or the equivalent of 60 hours of college credit (1 hr/day, 5 days/wk.) That's half what is needed for a college degree. Is NJ really saying that time couldn't be better used teaching a solid understanding of the fundamentals? I feel bad for the kids that will suffer through this until is collapses.

early bloomers
Some people know early on. I envied them.

In interviews with my grandmother (1900-2000) she said music was her first love. At age 3 at her aunt's home in Centralia, KS, she took a screw driver to try and open the lock on her aunt's grand piano. At age 6 her parents bought her a Cornish pump organ (which now sits in my living room). By age 12 she was playing for church and school programs. At 15 she was driving a horse and buggy all around Marquette, KS giving lessons. She graduated valedictorian of her high school class.

She was determined not to be a scrub woman or a farmer's wife. She wanted a music teaching certificate, which she earned from Bethany College. For the rest of her life music was her passion and her reward, artistically, spiritually and financially.

I can think of no worse a death sentence to the spirit than to have the state choose a passion or a career for a student.

Dr. K

Jobs program
This is little more than a jobs program for social workers, no wonder the educrats loves it.

correction
love it

Public Education Failure
My kids are grown & married, but the public school system did them no favors. They started out in an elementary school designated as the Spanish language integration school - all the English speaking kids were held back while the Spanish speaking kids tried to catch up. Then, they were pulled out of that school and put into a gifted program where the teachers had no clue what to do with a gifted student. Their education ranged from, "Here's your book, read it and give me a 30 page term paper - you have 10 days - GO" to "Oh, you're the gifted kids. Cool. I'll give you a topic - discuss amongst yourselves - see you in an hour."

I got so fed up with their frustration and lack of direction that I home schooled them for high school. Both of them were so discouraged by the school system that they had no desire to go to college. They are both bright, talented high achievers - successful in life despite the shortcomings in their education and lack of a higher degree. But could they have declared a major at 14? Not a chance.

komrade, we'll need 47,087 plumbers
First thing I noticed or rather, failed to notice,
" the parent "!

A kid has no clue at 14 what any type of work really is. I'm not sure the guidance counselor does either and even if so, that he's got the kid's best interest at heart.
Down the road, some central planner will put in a req. for so many plumbers in 8 years, so many cytologists and so many hedge fund mgrs.

How do you really explain to a 14 YO what a Systems Analyst is? Or an Actuarial? Or to a kid with algebra problems that perhaps Aeronautical Engineer may not be a great choice.

Parents, of course will all want their kid on the doctor/engineer/lawyer track. Kind of like those snooty bumper stickers about their first grade honor student.

'My daughter is an epidemiologist freshman at Benedict Arnold High'

I'm all for certain special high schools for those students with obvious special talents but not for locking a child onto a track for which they may have no liking in the future nor talent either.

It does increase the teacher's headcount (union membership) and requires more tax money "for the children".

One other issue; making a living! Explain that to a 14 YO.

Expanding bureacracy vs. Vouchers
Every time I read practically anything on Townhall, it leads me to the inescapable conclusion that we need to keep all of these bastards (NEA, NTA, and all education "professionals" ie., bureaucrats) the hell away from our kids, and implement a voucher system, as a first step toward getting govt out of the education business entirely!

Their meddling has stagnated at best, and destroyed at worst, education in America. The worse job they do, the more strident they become at their annual conclaves. Did you see the reporting on the NEA's agenda this year out of their recent convention? Not one iota of concern expressed for the uniformly crappy job they are doing. Just more demands for socialist expansions that has nothing whatever to do with education, along with more money to reward their failure. There is no more despicable group of human beings than those that lead and support the teacher's unions!

Phyllis is right...
When I was in high school (1967-1971) I had a history teacher who reminded us that boys our age were primarily interested in "BOOZE, BROADS, AND BATTLES." He was right, of course. And by the way, he was one of the most magnificent teachers I have ever encountered.

I'm not sure I can make 3 B's for high school girls, but since shopping seems to be the central joy of most of their lives, maybe it's "booze, boys, and boutiques?"

Anyway: Phyllis is right here, as are most of those who have commented. There is no way that most high school students are mature enough to pick their life direction at the age of 14 -- unless you allow them to major in shopping, computer games, or 101 ways to obtain alcohol illegally.

Beyond that: I think it was Samuel Johnson (don't bet on that, however), who said that being educated meant "knowing something about everything, and everything about something." May I suggest that specialization at age 14 all but precludes the "something about everything" part? There is plenty of time after high school to specialize and learn "everything about something." But if you don't first get some general education -- learn something about everything -- you don't really know where you want to specialize and learn "everything about something."

high school majors
Well since I graduated in 1951 in Buffalo NY and
my Choice was Art I wanted to be a Commercial Artist. Fine Art you needed to take a Language.
T really can'trememberthe other choices that were offered when I entered 9th grade in Sept of 47.
So I do not think that it is something New PS
my Diploma showed the Major.

Phyllis is wrong...
Schlafly ends her article by saying that the problem is in the elementary classes, where the fundamentals are not taught. This ignores the fact that U.S. students do quite well on standardized tests (when compared with students of other nations) up through the 4th grade. It's after the 4th grade that our students fall behind rapidly.

The reasons for this may include lack of proper basic instruction, but the primary reason is that when kids (especially girls) begin to touch puberty, they change psychologically -- from instinctive pleasers of authority into instinctive rebels. Once this begins, the only way to educate the large majority of them is to make use of strict discipline and strict demands. Soft-headed liberalism instead caters to the kids' foolishness and refuses to demand that they learn properly; and soft-headed parenting demands good grades and the like even for kids that can't write a sentence in the 10th grade.

In the old days, kids also hit puberty; but schools used strict discipline and strict demands to keep them in line and learning, and parents generally backed the schools up, instead of lawyering up and suing if their 10th grader who can't write a sentence gets a well-deserved "F."

Another way of putting this: Every generation has the same duty -- to civilize the barbarians. It's just that today the barbarians are called "children."

It is a shame
I retired this year after 37 years working at hospitals in administration and always having the human Resource function as my responsibility because I have a minor degree in it. In 1970 when I started, most people came for job interviews with hair cut and neatly combed. They were on time. They were well dressed. They made an effort to spell correctly and complete the application neatly or submit a resume. They were polite during the interview and I don't recall anyone ever chewing gun during an interview.

When I left in 2006, gun chewing was rampant, job allpicants were frequently late, offered no reason, wore ill fitting and inapproproiate clothing, had improper hair, and poor manners if they had any at all. They did not know what contenent the Nile River is located on. They had never heard of George Orwell or Ayn Rand. They could not name correctly or completely one work of William Shakespere, they could not describe one plot or story line, but they had "heard" of him. The interview was interrupted no less than three times by cell phone calls which they proceeded to answer without so much as an "excuse me."


Part 2
In 1970 the hire rate was about one hire for every three interviews. Today it is one hire in 30 interviews. Most job applicants are rejected before they ever get an interview because their application is sloppy, they can't spell, can't punctuate and don't follow directions.

Part of my senior HS class was how to fill out job applications and how to prepare for interviews. We did role playing and conducted mock interviews in class. We had local business people come in class and tell us about job opportunities and what kind of applicants they were looking for. They would review the qualifications applicantes must have in order to be hired. Many of them gave tests to job applicants to determine these qualifications.

Today, none of that is done. It would be a waste of time. Even honor graduates today are dumb as a box of rocks, have no manners, no sense of work ethic, and no goal other than to "make money."

This is all teachable in the public schools, but it isn't taught. Whose fault is that? Does the word "public" mean anything to you?

part 2
In 1970 the hire rate was about one hire for every three interviews. Today it is one hire in 30 interviews. Most job applicants are rejected before they ever get an interview because their application is sloppy, they can't spell, can't punctuate and don't follow directions.

Part of my senior HS class was how to fill out job applications and how to prepare for interviews. We did role playing and conducted mock interviews in class. We had local business people come in class and tell us about job opportunities and what kind of applicants they were looking for. They would review the qualifications applicantes must have in order to be hired. Many of them gave tests to job applicants to determine these qualifications.

Today, none of that is done. It would be a waste of time. Even honor graduates today are dumb as a box of rocks, have no manners, no sense of work ethic, and no goal other than to "make money."

This is all teachable in the public schools, but it isn't taught. Whose fault is that? Does the word "public" mean anything to you?

voice of reason
Thanks for going off-topic today.

"I believe that the strength of Capitalism - which is the bedrock of American values - is NOT that it is utopian. In fact, its success comes from the fact that it is consistent with human behavior."

EXACTLY!! Well said. Why waste time, energy and frustration attempting to coerce humans into being what they are not? Why not "capitalize" on what we humans do best?

Education should be about empowering the individual - not training them to live for everyone else.

Basics First
Until these schools can churn out 90+% of their students (with no major disabilities) with the ability to read, calculate and write to their grade level, there should be no other focus. Once a school can educate its students in the basics, then it can introduce them to job options.

I am currently a college student majoring in Engineering. During my high school years, I was interested in Criminal Justice as a major until late in my junior year. If I had been in a school where this was practiced, I would have been stuck pursueing a job which I don't believe I have an aptitude for.

If a school wishes to offer additional, optional job programs that do not eliminate the basic three R programs, such as voc-tech type or principles of ... classes, more power to these schools, but to lock these students into classes will do more harm than good, IMHO.

Most of us went to public schools
did we not? My experience in public school was not the greatest, but I did learn the three Rs plus some science, some Shakespeare, some French, some Spanish and some art. This was not in the good old 1950s, either. This was in the 90s, in a lower-middle class neighborhood in the southwestern US. Conservatives love to rail about how terrible public schools are, but be honest. Aren't you a product of those schools just like me?

High School majors
Men and women like Michelangelo are the reason the concept of an inflexible high school major system is wrong. Like Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo was painter, sculptor, architect and engineer. This nonsense will stifle the development of such minds in our time.

Teach lib. arts for thinking
and learning, because 20 years ago no one knew we'd be text messaging on cell phones, watching DVDs, changing our tv's for HD, or driving cars that can tell us directions.

Young people can expect to have 3-4 major career changes in their lives and need not to train for very spec. jobs in high school except in certain voc. cases, like kids who really want to be auto mechanics.

Otherwise, algebra-plane geometry is still the best combo for logical thinking, composition and rhetoric are the best combination for communications, and history-geography still is necessary to understanding the world. As Miss Whatever Pageant just proved 19 yr. olds are really geog. challenged, there's a discipline that needs boosting.

eastlake joe
eastlake joe writes: Tuesday, August, 28, 2007 10:58 AM
That settles it
guys it can't be anything to worry about because Robert says so. He's never wrong.
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The guy is amazing isn't he.

I don't know if there's enough time left in his life, but if he would run for the presidency we could be back on track in a year or so.

With men like him I just don't know why we haven't stumbled on to a cure for cancer.

He was only a test pilot, someone sure wasn't paying attention to this man's genius.

Wiseone
IRT your 1400 reply. If things continue as they have been, it wouldn't surprise me to see children assigned majors, followed by job assignments when they finish school.

It's time to elect as many people as possible who will push, and push hard for school vouchers, the reining in of teachers unions, and testing of teachers to make sure they are really qualified to teach.

Taproot

A step in the wrong direction...
This is exactly what they used to do in the Soviet Union. How nice. It won't be long before "if you cannot choose a major by the due date, one will be appointed for you".

This is EXACTLY why.....

parents are, in unprecedented numbers, taking their children OUT of public school and either home schooling or enrolling them in private or parochial school.

And, the sad part is, the educators just don't get it!!!!





It's the money and the power...
What if the motivation of these school administrators was actually love for their fellow man? If that were the case would we be having this discussion?

Rather, Liberals are in control of the public school system and will continue to excercize their muscle in ways that enslave the masses and add to their coffers.

They do not care one whit for the welfare of their charges. They play them like pawns in a lethal game, forcing their whimsical and pernicious ideas down the throats of these youngsters.

Anne writes that the educators just don't get it!!! Sorry, Anne. You are wrong. They get it in spades. They really know exactly what they are doing and the damage, inconvenience, and cost to the students and their families and the public at large are simply factored in to the program.


Firefox
It's not just his WAY LEFT way of thinking its his boorish way of always having done anything brought up and his equally boorish way of always claiming to be right. He complains about my reading ability and I was reading at a college level before junior high or as they call it now, middle school. Of course, I went to school when phonics was the only way of teaching a person to read. Most of the kids that graduated at that time could read or they were held back. I know a few teachers that were very unpopular because they kept a star player from the big game.

Maloushka
I also attended a government school. However, somewhere (I assure you not in the government school)I leaned about cause and effect. Even though I have had a sucessful professional career, I like to think that my sucess was in spite of, not a result of, the government education I received. I had very few good teachers in high school, and when I had a good teacher, they spent most of their time with other stufdents who needed their help more. Thankfully, I was a curious teenager and read mostly on my own.

More typical was a teacher I had for a one semester economics class. In it we were taught that all economic systems were equally valid and that those in the eastern bloc (high school in the 70's) had just 'chosen' a different system (I'd like to see my former teacher explain that to the Ukrainian's of the 1990's - she might note have escaped with her life). We spent two days out of an entire semester on basic market principles like supply and demand. Thankfully in addition to being curious, I also was cynical and knew better.

This whole thing about 'majors' in high school is just a stepping stone to having the education system deciding for the students what they'll be good at and forcing them into predetermined channels. Now they allow the students to chose, soon they'll first 'recommend' where a particular student should go and soon thereafter they will 'decide,'as they believe they are the experts. Tragic.

This story reminds me of a party...
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...I attended back at the beginning of my second year in medical school where I met a number of guys who were at the same stage in their education but attending other schools in the same city.

"So what are you going to specialize in?" asked one of them.

"Hm?" I responded. "We haven't even started studying any of the clinical areas yet. I suppose I don't know were I can do the best work until I see what's really involved in the job."

The superior-looking young man (he just *reeked* of the sort of guy who was going to spend his professional career wearing Armani and attending medical conventions in the Bahamas) shook his head pityingly.

"You're gonna be a GP, you poor slob."

And damn it he wasn't right.

Maybe it's best if the kids *do* pick their lifelong careers while they're in the first throes of puberty.

I'm trying to get my six-year-old grandson intereted in futures trading and creative accounting before he begins Kindergarten next week.

You can't start 'em too young, y'know.


--

Da Vinci
OK, lets suppose young Leonardo is trying to choose his major; does he choose art, medicine, engineering, or biology? After all, the man was extremely proficient in all of these fields.

High school is supposed to be a time to try lots of subjects to see where you best fit. It is also a time to be exposed to ideas you have no real interest in, but need to know. And sometimes the subject you thought would be boring can capture your imagination.

Ultimately, a well-rounded student is interested in a wide assortment of subjects.

And, as Robert A Heinlein said, "specialization is for insects".

Practical Considerations of Choice
UNPRECEDENTED NUMBERS

Homeschoolers account for about 2% of the school aged population and I think I remember reading privately educated kids are about 10% of the school aged population.

Until those numbers are a lot higher or until parents who do not use public education do not to have to pay taxes for them (yeah right) vouchers are probably the only real pressure that can be applied to public education. Tax credits WILL have strings attached and will probably mean no religious schools or curriculum will qualify.

VOUCHER VOTES

Remember when Congress was supposedly a Republican majority? Did it happen then? No. Too many RINOS were around making sure no progress was made. It's worse now.

PRACTICAL CONSIDERATIONS

The other problem is where to send all the children of parents who want out. Without some sort of phasing in vouchers or privatizing public schools, it's going to be a tough transition.

There are likely not enough physical structures and staff in the private sector right now to absorb the flood of students who would probably leave.

Teacher shortages might be a problem too. Educators in the private sector are accustomed to accountability and competition. Those are not characteristics of public education, and many public school teachers will not want to continue in a teaching career when they are under pressure to perform or get fired.

A dear family friend who has a PhD

in hematology and was teaching at GW Univ. Med. School.

After having taught for a few years, the "powers that be" at GW said that he had to get an MD. Arrangements were made for him to go to med. school part time and continue to teach part time.

Not an easy task with a wife and two children.

But, succeed he did, always thinking that he would simply return to teaching hematology... until he did his first sugical rotation. In Jack's words, "I KNEW that's what I was going to do!"

Today Jack is one of the premier vascular surgeons in the northeast.

Anyone who expects the average high school student to have a clue of what opportunities there are in life, much less what he/she would like to be "when they grow up" doesn't have a clue about life! (And that includes you, roberto!)



The reason for forcing med school...
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...on the professor with the perfectly adequate non-clinical degree is that George Washington University Medical Shool can *BILL* for the services of senior medical staff physicians supervising residents and fellows during training.

It was all about the money, Anne.

It always is.

It's just damned strange to discover that a guy with prior postgraduate training in cellular biology (you can get a PhD. in hematology?) winds up as a surgeon.

You'd think he'd fail the entrance criteria to the residency program on the basis of having too high an IQ.
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Voucher everyone
Mandatory pub. ed. is only about 100 yrs. old. It's not in the US Const. NJ went for mand. attendance in the late 1880's but CA didn't leglislate mand. att. until 1913. Ergo, before those dates, all people were virtually educated by private means.

I would end pub. ed. Let taxpayers keep their monies and pay direct tuition within a township or county area. Bds. of ed would become bds. of trustees. The teachers unions would vanish, at least to start. The % of money that disappears whenever taxes (on local, state, and fed levels) are collected and then allotted would be saved.

Tuition payment for renters would have to be worked out through landlord tax payments, but the "poor" and minoritites should benefit most of all because urban schools have practically been abandoned by everyone. Students whose parents paid direct tuition would be more motivated and committed than they are to "free" tuition.

Esp. now that pub. schools have essentially abandoned their role of imparting the skills of reading and math in favor of social engineering, a tuition system would restore to the community itself the determination of the knowledge young students need to become productive citizens.

The Great Disconnect
renny wrote:

Students whose parents paid direct tuition would be more motivated and committed than they are to "free" tuition.

You are absolutely right about this! What if instead of paying property taxes for public schools parents were directly making payments to the schools? I'm not sure exactly how it could work, but it's an interesting thought.

There is definitely a disconnect between payment for services and and services rendered. Reestablishing that connection somehow may just be an effective wake up call.

It might help people understand the reality of the situation. Either you 1.pay to educate your child yourself (buying your own curriculum and materials and investing your own time) 2.pay a private institution to educate your child (paying tuition) or 3.pay the government to educate your child (taxes). There is no free education unless you are illegal or poor.

I once had grown man ask me if the State paid me to homeschool my kids. Seriously. He actually thought it was the State's job to educate children and it somehow made sense to him that I should be paid by the taxpayers to do so. He's the only person who ever said so out loud, but I wonder how many other Americans out there are just as confused as he is.


Addicted to Mediocrity-Maloushka
(I graduated from high school in 1991 in the Phoenix suburbs bordering on the agricultural areas with the majority of students being lower middle class and immigrant kids.)

Maloushka wrote:

"Conservatives love to rail about how terrible public schools are, but be honest. Aren't you a product of those schools just like me?"

This is exactly the mentality that feeds the problem. Being a product of a mediocre school does NOT make mediocrity acceptable. In your case it seems a little logic and rhetoric would have been in order.

When you consider all the increase in funding over the years that we were assured was necessary to increase student performance, but student performance has not been improving, we have a serious problem. There are objective indicators (standardized testing and international test comparisons)that public education is getting worse.

When you consider the amount of time invested in childhood (roughly 6 hrs. daily, 180 days annually for about 13 years) we should be producing students who characterize their educations as more than:

"My experience in public school was not the greatest, but I did learn the three Rs plus some science, some Shakespeare, some French, some Spanish and some art."

Kids should not be getting by, they should be getting the best.

My children are getting a Classical education according to the Trivium model. It's just like my bumper sticker reads, "Homeschooling: Not just for royalty anymore!"

Kill the dream, murder the dreamer
When I was in Jr High, I wanted to be a bush pilot. By my freshman year of highschool, I wanted to be a science fiction writer. In my junior year, I discovered computers, but still majored in physics in college. 26 years later, I still dream of one day completing my very own video game.

Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

As a 5th generation master mason, I say with confidence, I would rather be the world's worst video gamewright than the world's greatest bricklayer. And nobody but me should have the right to make that choice.

My nephew and niece graduated from private school. The boy could not tell the significance of December 7th, 1941. The girl could not count back change. But she could twist any Bible verse you wish to something that condemns men.

"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."

-Robert A. Heinlein

This is the heart of Americanism.

education
I would dearly love to see the "new fad"in school of "teaching to mastery", like they did in the old days. My children would come home from college and tell me about something "new" they'd learned, and I said I had that in high school. They were amazed.

When my son was in high school he'd come home dismayed because, "mama, everyone else knows what they want to be and do, but I don't!" I assured him that they'd probably change their minds numerous times and not to worry about it. College was the place to find out your calling, I said. So, he left for the halls of higher learning and decided he wanted to be an electrical engineer. In his junior year, he changed his major to computer science with a minor in math. After graduation he joined the Navy and became a helicopter pilot. I can assure you in high school, that would never have crossed his mind. I think there's too much pressure put on students these days, look at Japan, and their suicide rate because of their perceived failure.

Maturity has to come first before the right decision or decisions about a career.
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