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Monday, May 07, 2007
Phyllis Schlafly :: Townhall.com Columnist
Questionable subject matter fuels questions about Virginia Tech shooter
by Phyllis Schlafly
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What was the motive behind 23-year-old Cho Seung-Hui's killing of 32 students and teachers at Virginia Tech? Why was he consumed with hate, resentment and bitterness?

Cho was an English department major and senior. As a frequent lecturer on college campuses, I have discovered that the English departments are often the weirdest and/or the most left-wing.

A look at the Webs ites of Virginia Tech's English department and of its professors reveals their mindset. We don't yet know which courses Cho took, but it could have been any of these.

Did he take professor Bernice L. Hausman's English 5454 called "Studies in Theory: Representing Female Bodies"? The titles of the assigned readings include "Black Bodies, White Bodies: Toward an Iconography of Female Sexuality in Late Nineteenth Century Art, Medicine, and Literature," "The Comparative Anatomy of Hottentot Women in Europe, 1815-1817," "Selling Hot Pussy: Representations of Black Female Sexuality in the Cultural Marketplace," "The Anthropometry of Barbie: Unsettling Ideals of the Feminine Body in Popular Culture," and "Foucault, Femininity, and the Modernization of Patriarchal Power."

One of the assignments in this course (worth 10 percent of the total grade) is to "choose one day in which they dress and comport themselves in a manner either more masculine or more feminine than they would normally."

Is this really a course taught by the English department? It sounds like just the thing to confuse an already mixed-up kid.

Hausman uses "feminist pedagogy" theory, believing that sex and gender are merely "rhetorical constructs" resulting from cultural experiences, and that "students are more responsible for the creation of knowledge." She lists her areas of expertise as "sexed embodiment, feminist and gender theory, and cultural studies of medicine."

Other titles authored by professor Hausman include "Changing Sex: Transsexualism, Technology, and the Idea of Gender," "Do Boys Have to Be Boys?", and "Virtual Sex, Real Gender: Body and Identity in Transgender Discourse." Perhaps Cho took professor Bernice Hausman's English 3354 on "Fundamentals" for which the syllabus promises an understanding of "deconstruction" (a favorite word in English departments).

Did Cho get evil egotistical notions from professor Shoshana Milgram Knapp's senior seminar called "The Self-Justifying Criminal in Literature"? Indeed, that could serve as his own self-portrait.

Did Cho take professor J.D. Stahl's senior seminar, English 4784, on "The City in Literature"? The assigned reading starts with a book about an urban prostitute who finally kills herself and a book about a violent man who kills his girlfriend.

Virginia Tech's distinguished professor of English, Nikki Giovanni, has built a reputation as a "renowned poet," even though many of her so-called poems feature violent themes and contain words that are not acceptable in civil discourse. She specializes in diversity, post-modernism, feminism and multiculturalism.

Giovanni appeared last year at a public celebration to open Cincinnati's new Fountain Square. She used the occasion to call Ken Blackwell, then the Republican candidate for Ohio Governor, an "SOB", and when challenged, simply repeated the slur. (Note: Nobody suggested giving her the Don Imus punishment.) Did Cho take a course from professor Paul Heilker, author of another peculiar piece called "Textual Androgyny, the Rhetoric of the Essay, and the Politics of Identity in Composition (or The Struggle to Be a Girly-Man in a World of Gladiator Pumpitude)"?

Or maybe Cho preferred the undiluted Marxism espoused by English instructor Allen Brizee, who wrote: "Everyday, the capitalist system exploits millions of people. ... Our role in the capitalist system makes us guilty of oppression!" Victim Ross Alameddine (one of the students who was tragically killed) sat a few feet from Cho for months in a class on "Contemporary Horror." The students in this class were required to keep what were known as "fear journals."

Cho was a frequent user of eBay. He bought and sold many books about violence, death and mayhem, including several books he had used in his English classes.

Other books Cho sold on the eBay-affiliated site Half.com included books by three authors whose writings were taught in his Contemporary Horror class. He sold "Men, Women, and Chainsaws," "The Best of H.P. Lovecraft: Bloodcurdling Takes of Horror and the Macabre," and "The Female of the Species: Tales of Mystery and Suspense."

At the campuswide convocation to honor the victims, professor Nikki Giovanni read what purported to be a poem. On behalf of the English department, she declaimed:

"We do not understand this tragedy,/

We know we did nothing to deserve it."

Maybe others will render a different verdict and ask why taxpayers are paying professors at Virginia Tech to teach worthless and psychologically destructive courses.

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Phyllis Schlafly is a national leader of the pro-family movement, a nationally syndicated columnist and author of Feminist Fantasies.
 
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my 2 cents
facts are stubborn things

Oh dear...
He didn't kill people because he read violent books; he killed people because he was insane! For the love of all things holy, why can't we have some personal responsibility? I read "Titus Andronicus" and I have never forced anyone to eat a pie made out of their children! "Hamlet" never made me use ear poison to kill someone standing in my way.

It seems like she's just angry at the subject matter and she is using this example to push her personal agenda. This is a terrible affront to those people who died.

Oh, and what does the rather lengthy section about certain books causing gender confusion have to do with anything? Unless Seung was a gun-toting drag queen, I find this completely out of place.

I would suggest that all those who find the idea of studying certain things to be causing evil go to the profoundly famous (and completely accepted poet) John Milton (author of "Paradise Lost," the great epic of English Poetry and one of the most important Christian stories written after the Bible). Knowledge is never evil. If anything, learning about evil will support us in our understanding in how to confront it.

No, Mike
It's not causing evil, it's releasing it. You think that you can fill kids' heads with anything you want and voila' they can process it safely? I would urge anyone interested in education to read an essay called "The Comprachicos" written by Ayn Rand. I used to be able to find it online, but it appears to have been removed, probably for copyright purposes. But it can be found in her book, "The Return of the Primitive: The Anti-Industrial Revolution".

Fascinating Woman
I first heard of Phyllis when she was advocating traditional roles for women as opposed the women's lib movement of the 60s. She needs to read up on Chauvin and realize the term is not only for men.

She is fighting a war she lost 30 years ago. To blame literary and intellectual inquiry for the lunacy of an individual leads me to think she's not all there either.

She is fighting a war she lost 30 years
She defeated the ERA, so I don't see that she lost that particular Thirty Years War - the Left is still whining about that defeat...

Phyllis is the Woman! I admired her
when I was still a Leftie Loser myself!

Phyllis Schlafly was one of the people who enfluenced me to become a conservative!!! She is up there with Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher!

Of course, there was Jimmuh Carter, who inspired me not to vote Democrat(ick) ever again!!!

Although I believe that Cho is (was)
responsible for his own evil actions, and is being held accountable in that place where the worm does not die and the fire is not quenched (Mark 9:44), there is a point to what Phyllis says.

These Leftie who spout counter-culture nonsense from the front of a classroom must keep in mind that a demented monster may be inspired into action by their vitriolic rants.

The garbage that Cho was spewing on his self-agrandising video sounded suspiciously like Leftist Anarchist talking points.

The weirdest thing was the so-called "poet," Nikki Giovanni who got up at the memorial service for the dead and trivialized their brutal murders by spouting Commie rhetoric that seemed more in sympathy with the assasin than with the students he killed.

So the teachers thought he was scary? I wonder if they ever took a good look at the garbage that they themselves dish out!

She is only halfway there on Cho.
Fact: the girl in the dorm he shot was not his girlfriend. Fact: he knew she was dead (he had killed her) and thus wasn't in the classroom. So who was it that he was looking for there?

My guess on this: he was killing the members of a kangaroo court. Having been unable to bring him up on criminal or psycho charges, they brought him in front of a student court.

And they decided to do something to him and *that* is what the "you drove me to this, you wouldn't just let me go" rant was about.

And then as to the stuff that Schlafly writes about the courses - well that is true too. I once had a girl who was borderline suicidial and was sitting in an english class (I was auditing the course for teaching recert credits) hearing the feminist professor go off about how women should kill themselves because of the heterodoxy and I was just quietly thinking "thank you, thank you, maybe you would like to sit up all night tonite in the dorm so I don't have to..."

My point: you can have kids under stress and psychologically fragile -- you have normal faculty teaching sane courses and they can reign them in and point them toward normalcy.
But when you have faculty who are themselves over the edge, and when they truly despise the at-risk kid too boot, well should anyone be suprised that he went far over the edge into lalaland?

Really suprised?

Cho may have been insane, but he was
also an evil monster!

There are plenty of insane people who do not commit mass murder.

In this PC society, people are reluctant to state clearly that an evil person is an evil person.

Can he also be insane? Sure.

But how do you explain a doctor who is otherwise considered normal, who is willing to insert scissors into the skull of a tiny, helpless infant, insert an industrial-strength vaccuum cleaner, and suck out her little brains.

If someone did that to an adult, they would be called mentally ill, but do it to a defenseless baby who is literally in sight of the outside world, and you are paid a lot of money, and are patted on the back by the heartless pro-deathers.

a poem by Cho's teacher, Nikki Giovanni
"N*****
Can you kill
Can you kill
Can a n***** kill
Can a n***** kill a honkie
Can a n***** kill the Man
Can you kill n*****
Huh? n***** can you
kill
Do you know how to draw blood
Can you poison
Can you stab-a-Jew
Can you kill huh? n*****
Can you kill
Can you run a protestant down with your
'68 El Dorado
(that's all they're good for anyway)
Can you kill
Can you p*** on a blond head
Can you cut it off
Can you kill
A n***** can die
We ain't got to prove we can die
We got to prove we can kill
They sent us to kill
Japan and Africa
We policed europe
Can you kill
Can you kill a white man
Can you kill the n*****
in you
Can you make your n***** mind
die
Can you kill your n***** mind
And free your black hands to
strangle
Can you kill
Can a n***** kill
Can you shoot straight and
Fire for good measure
Can you splatter their brains in the street
Can you kill them
Can you lure them to bed to kill them
We kill in Viet Nam
for them
We kill for UN & NATO & SEATO & US
And everywhere for all alphabet but
BLACK
Can we learn to kill WHITE for BLACK
Learn to kill n******
Learn to be Black men"

Of course you can't blame bad poetry for Cho's evil actions, but do you really think the author of this bile could have been a positive influence on him?

Dirty words are the last refuge of an
evil mind - or at least one that can't come up with anything else.

And Phyllis has been a hero to more women AND MEN than any other woman EVER. (Just think what life would be like now - if Equal Rights Amendment HAD PASSED 30 years ago!)

Think about it...
How could a steady diet of any kind of poison *NOT* adversely effect the health of a person?

Evil ideas can be every bit as poisonous as arsenic.

Influencing behavior
If what we see and hear repeatedly doesn't influence our beliefs and behavior, why did they pull cigarette ads from television? Why are adolescents no longer allowed to advertise cigarettes? Why run ads on helping victims of AIDS in Africa? Isn't the sole purpose of trying to have every school show Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth" to influence belief and behavior? Are we not told that poverty creates violence in our inner cities? People who have been abused are statistically more likely to abuse others, right? Granted, individuals still get to choose their actions, but to say that exposure has no influence is naive.

Cho and the Hokie English Department
I am not a big fan of Schlafly, but if her description of some of the course titles in the English Department at Virginia Tech are accurate, those profs have a few serious problems. IF they aren’t primary examples of what is wrong with many modern colleges’ course offerings I don’t know what is. I doubt if courses slanted as favorably toward men as these are toward women would even be considered on many campuses. Like it or not, male bashing is politically correct today in academia. It would be different if the courses were a little more centrist in their inclinations. These smack more of indoctrination than education.

Furthermore, I have had both poetry and creative writing courses as electives, and if the Nikki Giovanni poem above is the best she can do, then Virginia Tech has more trouble than just the shootings.

Schlafly can say
what she wants to ,she doesn't have to read works she doesn't like. But her case that the English department's wacko count had anything to do with Cho flipping his wig is not persuasive.

We Virginians are being asked ...
... to contribute more and more tax dollars to our university system each year.

Why? To support wackos like Giovanni and subsidize them as they suborn our kids?

I have sent the column to my Virginia Senator and Representative, asking why they support increases in funding.

PS The lib comments here are scary, ignoring the tragedy we still feel in Virginia and trashing Schafly (attack the messenger ... liberal rule #1).


This is typical
The comments from the leftists are all too typical of themselves and their conception of truth as whatever they want to be true whenever they want it to be true. Whenever someone they oppose begins to mount an effective argument about anything,leftists will go relativist and subjective as a way of watering-down the sting of the punch. However, whenever leftists have any piece of dirt on an opponent they go absolutist and dogmatic about it, regardless of how shaky its foundation is, or how question the provenance. It's not the leftists who live in Lalaland so much as conservatives who believe that they are going to experience anything like consistency from a leftist opponent. And don't even expect anything more than derision from leftists if you ever give voice to the issue of fairness, a notion which is either hostage to their ever-changing definition, or dismissed as a piece of middle-class ideological trash.

Weird...
I majored in English 5454 and wrote my thesis on "Selling Hot P*ssy: Representations of Black Female Sexuality in the Cultural Marketplace," and yet I can't get a job anywhere!

Buck 2
Yes, the Bible does deal with the subject of murder, rape, torture etc. as do many great classical works. The difference is that the Bible is crystal clear that these things are evil. Too many of the types of works Phyllis mentions do not make that distinction.

This is a CHALLENGE.not a poem
Count the "can you's" They are like A DARE.
Is this not"hate speech" ?
The professor should be fired,tried for hate
speech and required to attend diversity classes.
The school should be sued for negligence,by all
the familes who lost family members.
This is higher education ?

What happened to the classics?
I'm a high school English teacher (who was a journalism major -- heehee), and it is bizarre to me that you can hardly find a college class that covers the classics of English or American literature. It is ridiculous that students can take a class in horror fiction, yet never crack open one of Shakespeare's plays, or anything else in the truly great canon of Western literature. And if you think VT is unlike 98 percent of other university English departments, you are sadly mistaken.

Cho
Why he did it? Simple. What you put into your mind, is what you get out. Leftist hatred for what is normal and moral fueled his hatred.

Humans are more like computers then they realize, garbage in, garbage out.

Ralph

Borghe,
I think that I would prefer the rule of Christian moralists to that of sophisticated intellectuals (who draw a tax funded paycheck) capable of writing the piece quoted above by thelastconservativeenglishprofessor!

And by a WIDE margin!

borghe
When the day comes[if ever] that you learn to spell, and then construct cohesive,intelligent sentences an paragraphs, a new light my dawn in your hate filled brain. Precision in language and critical thinking skills will work wonders towards muting your infantile diatribes.

Perhaps you were indoctrinated in Publik Skools and think you already possess these skills. More is the pity...

Look,
you people who think that what Cho was reading didn't make his already sick mind worse are delusional yourselves.

Why in the world would you think that reading good things can change a person's mind but reading bad things won't? You know in database lingo, we call that garbage-in, garbage out.

In Biblical lingo, "Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things. The things which you learned and received and heard and saw in me, these do, and the God of peace will be with you."
Philippians 4:8-9

Borghe
We know that resistance to the liberal mind is futile. NOT!

What would you substitute for a sense of morality, Christian or otherwise?

Secular, if it feels good go ahead?

Funny, I don't see the conservative lining up to ban differing opinions.

I see so called liberals shouting down views with which they do not agree.
I say so called, because a true liberal values seeing both sides of the argument. The so called liberals are more ideologues than anything else.

Free speech and academic freedom
If speech doesn't motivate, why does the Left work so hard to stifle conservative speech and to defend its own? And why do Leftist professors fight so hard to maintain their strangle hold on the academy?

Borghe
If you think living under Christians would be "the worst kind", may I suggest you try the thought of living under Sharia law. Including
"In many Muslim countries, the accusation of apostasy is even used against non-conventional interpretations of the Quran. The severe persecution of the famous expert in Arabic literature, Prof. Nasr Hamid Abu Zayd, is an example of this. In some countries, Sunni and Shia Muslims often accuse each other of apostasy. The current civil strife in Iraq is explained by many in terms of the extremely harsh religious opposition between Sunnis and Shias in Iraq."

See the rest of the law and tell me that you would really prefer Sharia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia



Can't explain Cho by English Dept Course
I agree with Phyllis that the English Dept at Virginia Tech taught left wing garbage, with hate, horror, and alienation as themes of some of the courses, but the fact is that other people took those same courses, and did not turn into killers. Cho was a mixture of evil and mental illness. Mostly evil.
-- Sean

Questionable Subject Matter at V T
This essay is similar to one written by James Lewis at the "American Thinker Blog". Professor Lewis' piece got an answer from a 2006 graduate of VT who claimed an interesting double major: English and Psychology. This graduate wrote kind words about English Department professors and their inspiring courses. Not a word about Mr. Cho, though. Professor Lewis wrote a rebuttal, demolishing the complaining graduate. This exchange seemed to have been hastily removed from the American Thinker site.

I am a graduate of Virginia Tech,although a mere engineering major, and am a member of the Class of 1962.

Why do we have schools?
Everything a student learns becomes a permanent part of him.
Each bit of knowledge serves to make the person more than he was before. The more you learn, the more you are and the more you can become.

When a professor wastes class time and State resources teaching personal politics instead of the subject matter they are paid to teach they are just like any other pervert who victimizes children.

They steal part of what the child should have been and therefore degrade the child's future.

Children should be protected from perverted instructors like that, not subjected to them by a faulty education system.

Thank you
One of the most thought provoking Townhall.com treads...

the big mick
If you are going to push the Christian way of doing things, for goodness' sake, clean up your language!

The only true Christian theocracy we ever had, the colonials of New England, would have put you in the stocks for awhile at least.

I really don't believe that free language makes free speech.

mystic 7
Great post, was lol.

I can believe it.
I remember my BA in English lit as such, very depressing. It was not limited to just English literature. It seemed as if there was a conspiracy of the professors to force us to read suicidal literature, unremitting, in every course. I mentioned it a=t the time. If a person was susceptible, why would they not succumb? Writers became famous for dealing with "the issues of the day". That basically meant complaining. Youth has a certain amount of enthusiasm which nature put in youth so they would have the energy to launch themselves and begin new things and careers which require optimism. It seemed as if the colleges with the jaded bitter professors were designed to drain as much of it as it could.
It is not limited to college.It has extended to younger and younger ages.


Funny...
The same gang of usual supects who were so ready to blame Oklahoma City on Talk Radio are now rushing to the defense of the Va Tech english department.

Obtuse Logic
This is simply a moronic column using a tragedy to justify a personal attack.

Let's see we have a deranged person who committed a horrible act.

By definition this person's actions do NOT follow any logic.

So Ms. Schlafly then tries to make the connection that the English Department at VT influenced Mr. Cho enough to cause him to perpetrate this crime.

Thank goodness Ms. Schlafly doesn't teach logic.

This type of nonsense always reminds me of the Catholic Church and their concept that it's a mortal sin to kill yourself. Hmm. The only person who would kill them self is someone who is crazy. If someone is crazy, they can't be held accountable for their actions. So, if they kill them self they can't have committed a mortal sin.

can't you think?
Well, well...wow...Schlafly is taking a lot for granted. That young adults can't find or read all manner of literature, whether it meets her standards of morals and quality?

Just because they STUDY what's out there, doesn't mean they have to agree with it, follow it, or live it.
Unlike some religious people I know.

The course work taught at universities are usually in part elective. Certainly is ELECTIVE any OTHER time of day whether on campus or not.

Her theory seems to be that if a young man is taught about alternative gender or sexuality issues...THAT'S what is going to make him into a woman hating murderer.
Women haters didn't all go to colleges with liberal values in their curriculums. Some of them read equally misogynist religious texts.
The difference is in rationalizing and justifying misogyny.

The point is, we are free to read and discuss and digest a diversity of ideas on campuses and off.
And it's only recently, long AFTER Ms. S herself was on a campus as a student..if ever, that more liberal, less traditional studies have been available.

Women and men with a good brain, provided with either an array of choices, or at least the ability to SEEK OUT other ideas, is also free to do so.

Hui Seng Cho...had a rotten, sick brain. And no matter WHAT he would have been taught, he would have acted out in the wrong way.

So, Ms. S's article is blaming more radical and open thinking for his behavior.
Which is a steaming load.

I have a good idea of who all HER friends are and what her whole family probably looks like.
And what a BORING bunch they must be.

Aren't we forgetting the point?
You can blame liberals, conservatives, the educated, the uneducated, the over-educated, and it won't change the fact that Cho pulled the trigger at the VT massacre. He's the only one we can blame for the entire thing, because any individual who's intelligent enough to get accepted to college knows that taking someone's life is immoral.

We want to blame someone else, or something else, because we want someone to pay for what happened. Cho didn't give us a chance to punish him justly. His decision to kill himself left us with no one to blame. Well, blame legitimately.

Phylis is just wanting justice like the rest of us. We want someone to really pay for what happened, someone we can just point to and say "You did it! We will now judge you for your ill-doings". It's human to want justice, and to look for it. But we're not going to find it blaming the English department, whether or not you agree with their curriculum. We also won't find it blaming his parents, his roommates, the VT student body, or that one door that stubbed his toe and got him all riled up the night before. Okay the last one was a hypothetical, I'm just saying the only person we can blame is Cho.

Those of us who believe in a just afterlife will find solace knowing Cho will pay one way or another. We can look to God for his divine and good judgment. Those of us who do not believe in what I just mention will have to look to rationale. No one made Cho pull the trigger except Cho. We'll just have to live with the fact that the one who is truly guilty will not be punished on this plane of existence.

Obtuse dogjudge (among others)
Ms. Schlafly has posited some reasonable and logical questions. Does this stuff BELONG in a university English Department curriculum? Isn’t it reasonable to question whether or not its presence in the curriculum MIGHT have had a negative impact on a confused and troubled kid? And isn’t it possible that this kind of bilge MIGHT push a confused and troubled kid over the line and cause him to become a twisted and evil killer?

Phyllis Schlafly has simply used her article and writing skills and treated us to an impromptu course lecture from CONNECTING-THE-DOTS 101. I completed the course, so her logic did NOT seem obtuse to me. I suggest dogjudge and his/her ilk enroll in the course.

Something is missing here, Phyllis
If the course content of the Virginia Tech English Department motivated Cho-Seung-Hui to kill, then how come it didn't inspire any other English majors, male or female, at that university over the past couple decades to do likewise? Phyllis Schlafly's piece is simple-minded to the point of absurd. The mind of a sociopath is highly complex as it is repellent. One simply cannot reduce human motive to a mechanistic response to "cultural messages" out there.

Let me add something: I myself was a professor at Virginia Tech during the early--to-mid 80s. And I can guarantee you it's a place where masculine men, and not just the cadets, get the chicks. Cho was a, well, a nerd, a dork, a feminine kind of guy (Real Men don't major in English). He was as terrified of women as he was contemputous of them. He couldn't get to first base.

Cho must have seen all those BF-GF couples walking hand in hand and, after a while, felt taunted. His final act was a pathetic lashing out at the Haves. The little monster spelled E-N-V-Y is the ultimate villain. He sought absolution in denying to everyone else what he could not have either.

What does it matter if ...
we are all but an accidental amalgam of proteins? If morality is relative, Cho's views on the subject may be a bit unorthodox, a minority viewpoint, but they are just as valid as anyone else's. He certainly expressed them with energy and enthusiasm.
If there is no God, no life after death, no final accounting, Cho didn't do anything "wrong". In fact, what he did was rational. He felt others were responsible for his unhappiness, so he simply chose to share his unhappiness before ending his own. Unable to be famous, he chose to be infamous.
I thank God that I was born and raised Christian. It makes life worth living. It gives life a reason and purpose. Those who search for a purpose without God often find no purpose or a purpose they can't live with.

thelastconservativeenglishprofessor
I used to think I was a mediocre poet until I read that piece of crap by Nikki Giovanni.

Now I feel like the second coming of Lord Byron.

environment
I do have to take Phyllis to task on this. I don't think, based on her prior writings, that she is at all about absolving a wrongdoer of personal responsibility. She should, given the way moonbats like to jump all over her, have stated that explicitly.
Aren't we told, however, that we are a product of our environment? Aren't a myriad of social ills blamed on a disadvantaged background? Perhaps this culture of darkness and violent imagery was HIS environment.
He still should have made a different choice!

momof5girls
Sorry, but the Old Testament is full of murder, even genocide. For example, Joshua is ordered by God to kill every man, women and child in such cities as Jericho and Ai. Don't we call that genocide? And the same order is given to Saul when he defeats the Amalekites. Etc.

Or, check out the law in such books as Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Women (and some men) are to be stoned to death if caught in adultery. Sons who don't obey their parents are to be given the same punishment. You might want to refresh your memory by reading, for example, Leviticus 20 and Deuteronomy 20:16-17 - and much, much more.

I am a Christian and seek to follow the Sermon on the Mount instead. Maybe you should re-read that sermon and how it replaces some of the worst of the cruel ancient Hebrew laws.

Now, as for Cho and the courses at Virginia Tech: I hesitate to agree with Schlafly as I view her as a prissy, shallow woman. But many college courses are too far out these days. Still, Cho was a mental case over many years. Judging by some of what he said - how he compared his evil deed to those of Jesus and Moses - this suggests that religion (embraced so enthusiastically by Schlafly) might have been a prime motivation. Fanatical religion is at the root of some of our major problems today - the Islamic crazies, intolerant Christian end-timers, and Christians and Jews who believe that God deals in specific real estate. This last seems to have been at the root of our current problem - how Zionist Jews, findamentalist Christians and Muslims view Israel very differently.

Free at last!
Well, folks, since liberal, sophisticated, intellectual, secular folk have determined that young folk are not influenced by what they hear, read, observe and are taught, I am FREE AT LAST to indulge my racist inner man without fear that I may influence my children and grandchildren!

Liberated!

Hello?
I cannot believe anyone questions whether or not these wastrel professors and their crack-ho curricula had some influence on Cho. Are these not the same people who point fingers at the video and PC game industry, crying "these are responsible?"

Yes, Cho made up his own mind. But his decision was formed in an environment in which he was learning that it is alright to objectify and kill other human beings. After all, had he not read about exactly that in his English classes? Surely that would make it justifiable...

These are the same idiots that howl about the "violence" in Christianity. Christ never followed his teachings on how we should treat others with examples of what NOT to do. But it seems that is how these English professors justify their jobs.

classic case
Here is a classic case of affirmative action: Nikki Giovanni. Who in the world would hire someone with her "qualifications". She should be on a show with Imus, of course she would have been praised if she had spoken the same words as Imus.

WHERE DID CHO LEARN TO KILL
THE EXPERTISE OF CHO'S ABILITY TO HIT AND KILL MULTIPLE TARGETS SO ACCURATELY AND WITH GREAT RAPIDITY BEGS THE QUESTION, WHO TAUGHT HIM THIS DEADLY SKILL AND WHERE DIT IT TAKE PLACE?

I REALLY SEE THIS AS A MILITARY ASSAULT AND I AM NOT CONVINCED HE WAS NOT A TERRORIST.

Losers
Unless you are a science, math, engineering, medicine, biology or some other technical major, a sutdent is just wasting his time and his family's money going to college. 99.99999% of your typical anti-war protesting, wacko envirnmentalist, hate-America, despise-the-rich crowd majored in these useless liberal arts curricula. Why do you think they call them "liberal" arts? When you are a liberal arts major, you do one of two things, party or protest. Once graduated, these people become professor malcontents. They spend their lives complaining about the rich, the white, Big Oil, Big Tobacco and Big Anything They Can Think Of.

Many of these non-producing, worthless malcontents, like Cho, see a dem future. Cho was a senior, about to graduate, had no girl friend and had no job offers. Who in the hell would hire an English major? Once in awhile, a nut finds himself in this situation. He decides that life is not worth living anymore, and he is going to take out the people he deemed responsible for his failures. No gun law or psychological profiling can stop such a person.

ONTIME
My sentiments exactly. If Cho had been a Muslim, no doubt in my mind it would have been covered as a terrorist attack. The guy was a foreign national on a temporary visa. He was spewing his warped religious views, showing disdain for capitalism and critical of western civilization. He wanted to kill as many students as he could in order to maximize terror among the students. By any definition, that is a terrorist.

If ideas make no difference
What is school for? Why study a work if it is to no effect? Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if Cho was mad about what his tuition was buying him...

Garrison Keillor was right all along
It seems that Garrison Keillor was right about those d@mn English majors after all. He ridiculed them as worthless twits on practically every radio show. OK, I'll admit to listening, but it was only for the eclectic music. And maybe for the Lutheran jokes too.

In answer to Hound Dog's question
Hound Dog asks: "Why do you think they call them "liberal" arts?" I believe it comes from the Latin word for "free." In the Roman empire, only the upper classes were able to study rhetoric, literature, and philosophy, because those were the arts of persuasion. For the lower classes, the un-free, an education was limited to studying a trade. So Hound Dog, you can call liberal arts grads "losers" if you want, but remember that what you're denigrating is freedom. Maybe if you had studied liberal arts, instead of how to be a slave, you wouldn't be just a hound dog, crying all the time.

English majors are writers
I am a burgeoning writer myself. I had no formal training in a university for English. But my literacy level was very high when I was young.
I have met published authors...who have English degrees. Cho could have taken his education and done that. Often writers are encouraged to write what they want to see in the open market.
I haven't always been a fan of Nikki Giovanni's, but I read her most recent book of poems, "The Acolytes", just to see what's she's been writing lately.

Even young, I read ALL kinds of things, I'm sure Ms. Schlafly wouldn't have wanted me to read, because of my age. My intellectual acumen wouldn't have mattered to her.

And that's the point as I posted above. College attracts and invests in the brightest minds among us. Some people are already skilled intellects by the time they reach college.
They can't be exposed to a diversity of ideas without maladjustment.

But the tighter the curriculum with out that diversity of ideas is important. I have been around the students of BYU, for example, as compared to a place like UC Berkeley.

BYU turns out young people who are smart, but their world view is surprisingly naive and unrealistic. And their personal goals aren't very inspiring.
It's not just because they are young, the professors tend to be that way too.
So two extremes aren't healthy.
Schlafly IS shallow, and prissy.

And her field of focus, as well as the people in her life...have got to be the most boring people in the world.
Almost as if they are afraid of anyone who isn't EXACTLY like they are.


oops grammatical error
I meant to say...they CAN be exposed to a diversity of ideas without maladjustment.
Schlafly sounds maternalistic, as if young adults can't be exposed to something radical and non tradtional, or else they'll be infected by them in the worst way.

She doesn't think much of their intelligence and ability to choose or reject things according to growth and maturity.
That much is obvious.

I'd hate for her to be my mother. She'd never let me grow up or try to learn ABOUT anything she didn't approve of.
Especially from women she suspected were all lesbians.

Cho was an adult.
To be sure, young people are affected by what they see, read, and hear. But the only place appropriate for this kind of dialogue is in relation to young children, not college-educated adults. Cho was a 23-year-old man, capable of critical thinking, which cannot be said for younger children. If Cho had been a 15-year-old in a high school setting, and had read and written the things described, I might be concerned. But I don't see what texts addressing issues of transsexualism and feminism, among other things, have to do with a mass murder committed by a 23-year-old man capable of rational thought who knew exactly what he was doing.

I was wondering when conservatives would start blaming liberals/failing family values/[insert conservative talking point here] for the VT incident. Frankly, I don't think that a partisan debate is in order here at all, whether from a liberal or conservative speaker.

right on mistaken
Exactly right, Cho WAS an adult. Hey some teens can handle what some might think is radical for a youngster to read.
There have been some hysterics out there regarding Harry Potter. Which seemed weird, since goblins and magic and witches have been the stuff of children's literature for centuries.

HOwever, how many children were so interested in such a dense book and how many children were so eagerly READING makes JK Rowling's worth what's she's paid.

A smart kid can handle a lot more than Ms. Thing would care to know.
And obviously Cho was from an intact, culturally connected family with two parents, and only one sibling to compete for their attention with.
AND his sister was no slouch.
He was a LOT luckier than many young people who STILL get into good colleges despite hardship.

No one is to blame except Cho.
For sure.

If Ali G Had Interviewed Nikki Giovanni
ALI G -Booyakasha, chek i’ out. I is here wif my main man, Nikki G, my bro from Staines. How is you become poet?
NIKKI G- We’re communicators, it’s in our blood.
ALI G: Blood, West Side. Now sis, you, I mean, sorry you is my bro now, you is get some edumacation. You went to America, right?
NIKKI G: I went to Fisk.
ALI G: Tell me about how you is expelled for crack…
NIKKI G: It wasn’t for smoking crack. I started at Fisk in 1960, was soon expelled, and later returned and graduated in 1968. I did enroll and quickly drop out of two graduate schools after that but I did complete that one degree, my bachelor's degree.
ALI G: Wha’eve. You is still my main man. Now you has Tupac Shukar tattoo, right? Can I see that?
NIKKI G: Yes, I have said I would rather be with the street thugs than with the ones who complain about them.
ALI G: Now is you believe Tupac's criminal record make him a better rap artist?
NIKKI G: Well, I don't know about that, but...
ALI G: I like that poem you wrote about ni**er can you kill, can you stab a jew, can you draw blood, can you kill a honkie. Ain't that a rap!
NIKKI G: You're talking about my poem "The True Import Of Present Dialogue, Black vs. Negro." I wrote that a long time ago.
ALI G: But can't you make a rap out of that? You is get the whole crowd to stand up at Virginia Tech with that one.
NIKKI G: No, that was my new poem We Are Virginia Tech.
ALI G: Wha'eve. That was my one an' only main man, Nikki G, my big bro and big time poet, big shout out for Nikki G from VT.
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