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Tuesday, March 20, 2007
Phyllis Schlafly :: Townhall.com Columnist
Congress should restore parental rights in public schools
by Phyllis Schlafly
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The reauthorization of the No Child Left Behind Education Act offers Congress a splendid opportunity to enforce parental rights that have been outrageously trampled on by public schools.

When the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the parental right to control the upbringing of their children "does not extend beyond the threshold of the school door," the House erupted in unprecedented bipartisan criticism. On Nov. 16, 2005, by a vote of 320 to 91, the House passed House Resolution 547 to reassert the settled law of the Meyer-Pierce doctrine affirmed by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1920s.

Because Congress is doling out hundreds of millions of dollars a year to public schools, it's perfectly proper to attach strings to the receipt of taxpayer money. The easy way to do this is to require all schools receiving federal funds to sign compliance statements similar to the compliance statements by which grantees pledge not to discriminate on account of race or sex.

In November 2005, the House passed the Child Medication Safety Act, sponsored by Rep. John Kline, R-N.M., 407-12. If this bill had become law, it would have prevented public schools from denying entry to a child whose parents refuse to medicate him with psychotropic drugs - such as Ritalin. Such a lopsided majority proves that this type of legislative defense of parental rights is possible even in the Democratic-controlled Congress.

The most urgent need now is for Congress to require public schools to sign a pledge that no child can be denied entry because of refusal to be vaccinated against human papillomavirus, and also require that any school with an HPV program can offer the vaccine only on a parental "opt in" basis, not "opt out." Congress should also require that schools get written parental consent before subjecting children to mental health screening.

Although the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals softened its bombastic "threshold" rhetoric after Congress lambasted it, the court did not change its ruling that a public school can impose on students "whatever information it wishes to provide, sexual or otherwise."

Five federal circuits have handed down anti-parent, pro-public school decisions, and not one of them even offered parents an "opt out" option to the courses or materials that parents found offensive. In Kentucky, a federal court put its stamp of approval on a public school forcing students and staff to watch a one-hour video that included dogmatic claims that homosexuality is immutable and that it is wrong to object to the gay lifestyle.

A federal court in Massachusetts just ruled against a father, David Parker, who had the temerity to demand that he be notified before his kindergarten son was given a "Diversity Book Bag" containing a book illustrating and describing same-sex couples. Diversity has become the code word not only for favorable teaching about homosexuality, but also for silencing anyone who criticizes homosexuality.

In California, a federal court approved the public schools' requirement that a course in Islam be taught to 7th-graders. The course included giving the students Muslim names, having them recite Muslim prayers and passages from the Koran, wear Arab clothing, and write a "positive" essay about Islamic culture. Parents lost their case and the U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear their appeal. Where is the American Civil Liberties Union when we need them to assert separation of church and state - or is that phrase used only to silence Christians?

The aforementioned "threshold" case and a much-litigated case in Ridgewood, N.J., both involved a privacy-invading, self-incriminating nosy questionnaire about teenage sex and use of illegal drugs, which the schools required students to answer. Again, parents were not accorded any right to opt-out or even to be informed in advance about the objectionable survey.

The T-shirt cases illustrate the hypocrisy of the schools and the courts. The 9th U.S. Circuit Court ruled against parents in upholding the power of a public school to prohibit a child from wearing an anti-homosexual T-shirt, even though the school was carrying out a pro-homosexual program and even though the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court had held that a public school could not ban an anti-Bush T-shirt. Congress could require public schools to confirm that they have a policy of requiring parental permission for a student to join an extra-curricular school club, like a law just passed in Utah. This could safeguard students from being recruited into high school gay clubs.

One more rider that Congress should add to the education bill is a requirement that schools give parents a yes-or-no choice about putting their children into "bilingual education." That language apartheid is a federally funded mistake which keeps children speaking a foreign language for years, thereby making it extremely difficult to assimilate into U.S. culture. Parents are looking for advocates in the new Congress, and they don't care whether they are Republican or Democratic.

Who will answer their plea for help?

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Phyllis Schlafly is a national leader of the pro-family movement, a nationally syndicated columnist and author of Feminist Fantasies.
 
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My Head is Gonna 'Splode
the next time my nine year old daughter comes home reciting some environmental mantra as if it were Gospel.

In The Republic, Plato, the great apologist for centralized planning, advocates control of the state over all formal education. He rightfully understood that education, rightfully understood, pushes the boundaries of experience and threatens to reveal inherent intellectual proclivities. I fear we are rapidly approaching Plato's utopia.

Children belong to society - not parents
Schlafly's premise is flawed from the onset: the reality is that children do not "belong" to their parents, they "belong" to society. To rule that children are rightfully controlled by a parent is to adopt a policy of outright slavery, a policy that recognizes the ownership of people. Instead, each person belongs to the collective, and parents merely contribute another ant to the vast colony when they birth a child. Thus, the colony has the ultimate right to dictate what a particular member learns, does, and thinks because the new ant must function in a manner that benefits the entire colony, not just himself or some happenstance donors of a DNA sequence.

As Ms. Clinton pointed out in her blockbuster novel, it truly takes a village to raise a child, and the parents are merely the assigned custodian that is appointed by the village. This arrangement is satisfactory only so long as the parent recognizes the duty to bring the child up in accordance with the best interest of the village. Bringing up a good citizen does not include polluting young minds with thoughts and notions that are outside of the accepted standard.

Bearing all of this in mind, the reality sinks in to any caring parent: The child must be molded into the best member of the flock that they can be. This means that conformity and adherence to the accepted way of thinking is a must, and if a parent seeks to disrupt this citizenship training, then it is certainly within the right of the village to remove the incapable parent from the scene and replace the failed parent with a citizen that is more able to teach the proper ways of thinking. Renegade parents simply hinder the potential for the child to become an obedient member of society, therefore such a parent poses a threat to the child.

Fortunately, there have been massive advances in social engineering, and schools have begun to enforce their rightful role as the true parent of every child. As more of the blockades are removed from those that know how to best mold young minds, we will realize a future whereby everyone thinks just as they are supposed to, and everyone will support the ideas of those that have been placed in charge. Unproductive criticism of those that know what is best will be eliminated, so society will be able to benefit when our leaders are no longer challenged to justify their decisions. As a result, the nation will have the serenity of an ant colony, and individuality will finally be tossed into the rubbish heap of bad ideas gone awry. This utopia can be ours once we finally recognize just who the real parent is.

A Tough Act to Follow
I wholeheartedly agree with all of what Loyal Democrat has so eloquently stated above. I have been involved in the collective schools since 1953, on both sides of the desk up to the graduate school level. It basically boils down to love. If you really love your children, you homeschool them. If you like them a lot, then you send them to good parochial or private schools. If you really hate the little tykes, then you send them to the collective schools/brain laundry facilities. The major function of the collective schools is to provide indoctrination into cultural Marxism, provide day care facilities to the uncaring, and field sports teams.

Parental Rights ?

We sent our children to Gub'mint school so they could develop social skills. Looking back, that was not a real wise thing to do.

My wife and I had to have weekly anti-brainwashing sessions with our public schooled children.

All y'all parents need to get protesting this loss of parental rights being perpetrated by the courts and the Congress.


Loyal Democrat
So glad I found you tonight, I needed some sanity after reading various articles on how completely insane the world is going. I just posted on another site wondering where you were.

Thanks for putting this subject in your usual satirical perspective so my head won't explode! I would also love to see your take on Dennis Prager's article on The Compassion and Decline of America.

Public Schools vs Parents' Rights
My own children are all adults now, with families of their own. We sent them to a parochial school and Catholic high school.

Therefore, the only information I receive re: the arrogance of public schools (or is it just some of them?) comes from what I read.

For example, David Parker's fight in MA to be informed ahead of time about the school teaching his kindergarten son that homosexual parents deserve the exact same credibility as this child's mother and father family life.

How many United States public schools have adopted this agenda?

Same for the CA teacher who had her students learning Muslim prayers, copying their dress, etc. Is this a common practice in public schools?

Five of my grandchildren go to public schools in Pennsylvania. I have not heard a word about this kind of idiocy being taught.

Too much control
Normally I agree with Ms Schlafly, but not today. The problems in my part of the world started when parents were allowed to go into the schools and disrupt activities. To tell Teachers and Principals what they could and could not do to and for their 'childs'. Parents had the power and had no idea what to do with it, sort of like the president. Now we have total chaos in almost every public institution. Okay, perhaps chaos is too harsh, but clearly 'real educators' are not in charge.

Take them out of public school
"If you love your children, homeschool them". Um, right. And who's going to support them while I do that, pray tell? The only way I could have homeschooled my children was to go on welfare. Which is the greater evil?

I put my kids in a good parochial school and I worked two jobs to do it. I also spent a lot of time 'educating' my children in critical thinking and made it clear that any time they were concerned about anything they heard or experienced at school, it was their right and duty to bring that concern to me -- and if necessary to speak up on the spot and take the consequences. For example, when a teacher asked Steven "What's your sign?" for an exercise in astrology, he responded as I had instructed him, "The Sign of the Cross, ma'am." Stopped her cold and she never brought it up to him again. (He would have been prepared to explain the pseudo=science of astrology, as well as defining "Magi" and discussing the meaning of "We have seen His Star in the East" if she had pursued the matter. Lucky for her she dropped it).

There is no right to federally-funded public education in the Constitution. If you would like to get up a crusade to abolish the public schools wholesale, I'm on that barricade tomorrow. Otherwise, you're the parents -- YOU decide what education your children require. Or, like, shut up.

Love Is Not Enough
"If you really love your children you will homeschool them". Google to learn about state-required qualifications for homeschooling parents: some states don't have any. In some states the homeschooling parent is held to NO educational requirements and NO testing or record-keeping is required. Have some common sense, please. A parent with a high-school education or who dropped out of high school (or earlier than that) is not the educational peer of a trained professional teacher with graduate education. What you know IS important: good intentions are not enough. Staying one chapter ahead of the child is not enough. How would you like your child to be in a twelfth-grade classroom under a teacher who dropped out of school in tenth grade? We hear of children who do very well in a homeschooling situation. We also hear of children who watch TV all day at home while being "homeschooled".

You said it right Phyllis! We Parents
Are Tired of being told what our children must be taught with OUR TAX MONEY! Where do these goofy administrators and teacher think the money in their paycheck comes from anyway? Our Taxes!
I am ready to take my son out of Public School and homeschool him. I avoided this as he is very social and likes the school. I do not want him brainwashed into thinking Sodomy is not a sin, just an altenative and equally acceptable lifestyle. It is not acceptable and I will not stand for him being taught that it is.
I also do not want my son learning that "government knows best and always has my best interests in mind," as I was.
It took me years to realize that this is a bunch of hooey.
Voltaire said "It is dangerous to be right when government is wrong" I could not agree more.

AudiR10 Another Good post!
I agree with you so often, I look for your input on many articles. Well stated! You are a great person.

School reform
First of all, they aren't public schools, they're government schools.
The first thing that will need to be done to see real reform is to eliminate the power of the teachers' unions. Of course that would take some backbone.
Then eliminate the federal dept. of education.
If states and cities and towns had real cajones they'd refuse the fed money and then they could make their own decisions.
You who have kids in elementary school, just wait. It becomes worse in middle school and worse yet in high school.
We withdrew one of our boys and he takes classes online.
It's a good alternative. It's far less expensive than private schools, ($13,000 per yr. per student in our area) and it's as flexible as homeschooling on your own but with a lot of help.
We went on vacation in the fall and the resorts now have internet acces for the most part so he was able to keep up.
Anyway, anything the government gets involved with controlling that impacts our individual lives like schools for our kids, gets too big and screwed up.

clarification
The private schools in our area are about $13,000 per yr.
The online schools are between $800 and $1500 for the most part.
And Tap001, it's different in each state, but here in Maine, the homeschool kids are welcome to participate in sports and stuff. My sons are both on the Robotics team even though only one is actually attending the school. The kids are also allowed to go up to the school to take individual classes. Our homeschooled (online) son went up for art and music this year. I tell you that because the social part can easily be taken care of.

AudiR10, Lilly
Audi- homeschooling is not for everyone. Obviously it would have been very difficult for you if you were a single parent, though it can be done. Sounds like you made a wise choice for your family. Most homeschooling families I know are 2 parent families where Dad (sometimes Mom) is the main breadwinner.
Lilly- let's not turn this into a blanket criticism of homeschooling. Most people who homeschool do so with purpose, so they don't let their kids sit in front of the TV all day. You are taking isolated incidents and using it to criticize all homeschoolers. I might add that homeschooling also produces more educated parents, as our learning increases as we teach. I for one have learned more about history homeschooling than I did in public school. Usually when parents get to subjects that are beyond them, they seek out alternatives such as taking classes at local community colleges, finding tutors, taking internet courses etc. etc.
That is the essence of it-- true school choice!!!

Love Is Not Enough - hate for America is
Having worked in the Public School System, I must remind people that you don't get educated in public schools - you get indoctrinated into communism & nazism/homosexuality. Contrary to what Lilly states, homeschooling is better than public schooling as those students in the public school system turn out to be nothing more than useful idiots of the communist movement to destroy our constitutional republic. Rather than having our tax $s used to promote destruction of our nation, the public education system should return to a private system where parents may have multiple (small) schools in a community where they can "pick and choose" which ever system they wish for their child to attend.

Real rights
"Congress should restore parental rights in" EDUCATION - NOT the public schools! That way, the 'public' won't need to subsidize the anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-parent, anti-morality propaganda of those currently in charge of the alleged 'public schools'. The 'public' can then choose where to send their children without having to pay TWICE for the privilege of having them educated.


Biggest problem???
I'm amazed to see that Phyllis said "The most urgent need now is for Congress to require public schools to sign a pledge that no child can be denied entry because of refusal to be vaccinated against human papillomavirus"...

The most urgent need??? What about the problem you don't even identify - namely the achievement gap? No mention of that at all? Come on...

Public schools were meant to give a free education to all so that we could all start from a level playing field. Today, we leave so many of our children behind... the poor, minorities, the children with special needs... And the most urgent need is to make sure that we don't require the HPV vaccine? Presumably because we don't want to endorse promiscuity? So we can make sure that when some of our daughters inevitably have sexual relations for the first time, inside or outside of marriage, they then get exposed to HPV and run a much higher risk of getting cancer?

Phyllis - don't let your principles get in the way of doing the right thing... I would want to make sure that districts that face the stark realities of the world today have the ability to decide, for themselves, whether or not such a requirement makes sense. Why attach unnecessary strings? Leave decisions like this to the local authority.

It's what Ronald Reagan would have wanted.

Not in my classroom, nor my school
My students are not indoctrinated into any communist or fascist movement. I try to teach my students to think and question everything, including me. I also teach them to question those who question. Some of my students get the idea and refuse to accept the status quo in other classrooms and demand real support and evidence for what is said in the classroom.

Of course, what I do in the classroom is still overshadowed by MTV and Pop Culture. Even the Liberal Teachers dispair about the lack of interest in their leftist dogma on the part of the students. Our students are more interested in following in the footsteps of Paris Hilton, Snoop Dog, and that ilk, not Al Gore and Hillary Clinton.

If parents take interest in their children and raise them to wonder about the world, they will learn. The worst teacher in the world cannot keep a good student down. If a parent ignores his or her child and does not instill curiosity, a desire to learn, and a love of reading, no school, public or private, will ever teach a thing to that child.

Allocating rights and taking them
I once was required by my instructors/professors to read some articles. Today, they sound so much like fiction, it seems that those assignments must have been literature or effective writing classes. Those articles were called "The Declaration of Independence", "The Constitution of the United States of America" and "The Bill of Rights'. There was also some 'supplemental reading' of a bit of writing that originated in England that was called "The Magna Carta".

I also read another short novel that describes individuals who lived under the tyranny of a harsh taskmaster who often ignored the needs of those under his control. Under a seemingly wise leader, they rebelled, publicly posted a list of 7 'rights' (or commandments), and for a while became prosperous and happy -- and felt FREE.

But then they 'elected' or 'allowed' some new 'leaders' to make their decisions for them -- and always for some good sounding 'cause'.

These individuals had short memories, and they began to notice that the posted 'rights' seemed to be changing, while at the same time, the 'leaders' (actually 'the government' powers) were demanding more and more from the ones who did not 'hold office', so to speak.

Then one day they woke up to discover that the 'government' no longer recognized ANY of the things (or 'rights') that the failing memories of the general population believed they had fought to acquire. Members of 'government' had slowly changed the wording and meaning of the commandments in order to accommodate what 'government' decided was 'best'. And, there were those in 'government' who lied in order to make their own lives more comfortable. Before long, no one could tell the difference between the old 'administration' and the present one.

This work was titled "The Animal Farm", by George Orwell. A summary can be found at:
http://www.k-1.com/Orwell/index.cgi/work/summaries/animf.html.

As we look at the control exercised by our own government today, we can surely get an impression that "The Animal Farm" is history -- possibly American history. Is it possible hat the other items I cited at the beginning were only works of fiction and false or faded memories that are no longer reliable?

Short memories and letting 'others' do our thinking and then imposing what sounds like a 'good idea' can ultimately make the expression "unalienable rights" sort of oxymoronic if not just simply moronic.

Quite frankly, 'unalienable' means no individual and no ENTITY has the authority to mess with that which it did not have the AUTHORITY and power to give. We, the People, did not GIVE such authority to government -- Government TOOK it – unless ”The Declaration of Independence”, “The Constitution” and “The Bill of Rights” are simply works of fiction.

lilly
"Google to learn about state-required qualifications for homeschooling parents: some states don't have any. In some states the homeschooling parent is held to NO educational requirements and NO testing or record-keeping is required."

You mean parents are allowed to teach their children as they choose, without the State dictating terms and conditions. Horrors! What next!

Hey folks, I've been doing some thinking about this. Why don't we just pass a Law requiring everyone to be smart? Poof! Problem solved!

But seriously folks, contrary to Ms. Schlafly's statements, the solution is not more Congressional strings, it is the immediate abolition of the Federal Department of Education. Government control doesn't work, anywhere it's tried.

Publik Skool Indroktrination
Vote with your feet. My grandchildren will never darken the doors of a Government Indoktrination Center.

We work together as a family to assure the best possible outcome for our progeny. We pay for the cost of private school and my daughter and son in law pay us back by mowing our yard, balancing the checkbook,bill paying,bargain hunting,etc.

Result: The grandkids see daily effort and sacrifice on their behalf. We tend to hold the school more closely accountable. Education becomes Something That Matters rather than just another government entitlement.

"Raise Cain" about school choice, vouchers,etc. Parents should not have to pay twice for the kids education. Help out the parents who feel helpless and trapped in the public schools.

Would you allow anyone to feed your children doses of poison? Then why in the world would you allow "brain poison" to be force fed into their brains???


Jesse
The whole abolition of the Dept. of Ed is a nice thought, but it ain't gonna happen. Time to play the cards we are dealt, instead of wishing for a better hand. To do that we have to introduce the notion of parental involvement and rights back into the school system, not wait around for the Dept. of Ed to go away.

As for Congress, good luck getting them to do anything contrary to what their NEA masters tell them to do. There will be no significant reform so long as the NEA is making massive contributions to members of Congress!

Flagwaver
I'm not advocating waiting around for anything.

The abolition of the Dept. of Ed.--and all the other extra-Constitutional abominations borne of the Federal Government--is a goal that we should be willling to work toward and publicly defend.

I figure, if we don't work toward what we believe in, what should we work toward?

I don't want to use the power of government to achieve my goals, a la "compassionate conservatism", I want to limit the power of government, as intended by the Consitution.

And you are certainly right, the NEA is a huge obstacle, and as good an example as any of why we should not allow Homeland Security employees to unionize.

Just Thankful
I'm so thankful I don't have any children in the school system anymore. Just about every day there is news of a teacher having sex with one of her/his students or sex acts occuring right in the classroom. Many parents that want control of their children are continuously slapped down by "government". Then there are those that don't have a clue what their children are doing during the day and don't seem to care.

Ill-educated teachers
The teachers with msstery of their subjects are retiring and being replaced by "second track" or "general track" former students who've gone into education because they see it as a good racket: short work days, summers off, good benefits, lots of holidays, and with luck, they'll always know a smidgeon more than the second graders theyre assigned to torture. They have been themselves indoctrinated for years into the gay agenda, anti-parents' rights, anti-Americanism, anti-American defense and the military--virtunally none themselves have been enlisted, endless multiculturalism, and little else. I see them in my former high school bragging that they don't take papers home, that they've run through the entire senior Brit. lit text by Christmas (teaching what? They did "Hamlet" in a day?), and about their sexual conquests the night before, preventing them--of course--from preparing for the current day's lesson. I used to see the newer teachers logging on to their computers at 7:15 am, so they could come up with something for their classes starting at 7:20. I don't know how pub. ed. can now be changed so that young peoples' educational experiences are maximized for their chances in learning to read and compute. The SATs have in the last two decades changed twice to try to reverse the ever-descending scores. In 1994, the College Board "recentered" the math and verbal sections so that it is now considerably easier to achieve a higher rank in the verbal than pre-1994. My 720 verbal would now be 790. A student can miss 8 of the 78 verbal questions and still achieve an 800--perfect score. In 2004, a new SAT1 was conceived that eliminated the cold analogies (antonyms were removed long ago) and subsituted more "words in context" identificaqtion. A writing sample was added, and the whole test lengthened. Instead of higher scores, in 2005 and 2006, scores were even lower. The answer is: STUDENTS CANNOT READ. They don't know the voc. cold but they also don't know it in "context" because their general comprehension is miserable. How communities will ever get their schools to refocus on actually teaching academic skills instead of leftist social propaganda is beyond hope. Most school "mission statements" de-emphasize skills in favor or "maximizing potential" or "talents." However, parents can complain--regardless of the 9th District's recent abomination about parents not influenching schools, teachers hate for parents to call and complain. Principals cringe at thoughts of lawsuits. Superintendents pride themselvces on having good local raport. Mass audiences at board of ed. meetings that oppose the system usually get more acknowledgement than they might realize. 1) If your system isn't responsive, vote bds. out of office; 2) if your questions aren't answered, call the supervisor, call the principal, call the superintendent; 3) go to the school unannounced and insist on being seen by a high official; 4) monitor all students' work so that a family is never blindsided by lessons or events after the fact; keep records of school contacts; 5)most states have laws in place that allow students to study or perform alternate lessons, if parents object--take advantage of them; 6) don't make threats or be violent, no matter how outraged--schools really do not like unhappy parents; 7)hire lawyers and law groups only if all options have been turned aside; 8) parents are not always right or have the best interests of their children in mind, so a certain reasonableness applies, and 9) withdrawing to another district, private school, or homeschooling is always an option.

some thoughts
deornwulf, anti-socialist was not talking
about US schools he or she is a very brave
poster who lives in North Korea every post
he or she makes it.

You are also right when it comes to the
culture outside the schools influencing
schools more than vice versa. For essential
reading on the subject read Gerald Grant's
_The World We Created at Hamilton High_:
http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog/GRAWOR.html

TAP001 writes:
"You said it right Phyllis! We Parents
Are Tired of being told what our children must be taught with OUR TAX MONEY! Where do these goofy administrators and teacher think the money in their paycheck comes from anyway? Our Taxes!"

And who do you think controls the curriculum?
In most cases the school board which you elect
and pay for with your tax money.
You need to know the system to change the
system.

PJ writes: Tuesday, March, 20, 2007 8:33 AM
Real rights
"Congress should restore parental rights in EDUCATION - NOT the public schools! That way,
the 'public' won't need to subsidize the anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-parent, anti-morality propaganda of those currently in charge of the alleged 'public schools'. The 'public' can then choose where to send their children without having to pay TWICE for the privilege of having them educated."

Again you control the school boards and
your state Congressman through your vote.
If you want to get rid of public schools
take it up with your state legislature.
I think you will find this is not as popular
a position as posters on TH make it out to
be.

Jesse, the DOE is not directly stated but
is an enumerated power of the Executive:
"He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, . . . and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, AND ALL OTHER OFFICERS OF THE United States, WHOSE APPOINTMENTS ARE NOT
HEREIN OTHERWISE PROVIDED FOR, AND WHICH SHALL
BE ESTABLISHED BY LAW: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments."
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article02/
how the cabinet came to be:
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article02/09.html#7
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Cabinet
That said, federal funding of education is
a stretch.


Lastly, to all even if your child goes
to school it is your duty as a parent to
"school them" at home.

Um, no...
First of all, they're best described as community schools, not public schools or government schools. Pubilc schools are controled by locally elected school boards! They are the most democratic institution in this country! School boards reflect the majority views of the local community and they are 100% accountable to the voters (i.e. parents) when it comes to curriculum decisions. All of you who accuse public schools of teaching communism, or nazism (opposites on the political spectrum, by the way), or anti-religious propaganda are cranks whose extremist views put you in a small minority of all parents (in most school districts at least).

And what do unions have to do with any of this? They are just worried about keeping pay and benefits at a reasonable level; they have NO input on curriculum decisions!

Purpose of Teaching
Has it ever occurred to anyone that the purpose of teaching is to transfer information which isn't known already, or to counter an existing idea?

Given that, I can only assume that the urge among liberals to teach children that homosexuality is okay presupposes that children already think, without being told, that for a man to put his male appendage in another man's anus is sick, weird, and wrong.

They're simply trying to counter a natural, preexisting idea.

Education vs Indoctrination
Students should be in school for education not political indoctrination. There are those schools that tell the students that although your religion teaches you that sodomy is wrong your religious beliefs are wrong and you do not have the right to express them. This expression of religious belief has been criminalized in Canada. Are we next? Will politically incorrect speech be criminalized?

reply to renny
renny writes: Tuesday, March, 20, 2007 2:17 PM
"The teachers with msstery of their subjects are retiring and being replaced by "second track" or "general track" former students who've gone into education because they see it as a good racket"

There is some truth that teachers are not
as smart as other college graduates based
on SAT scores. But the general track / Ed
major for teachers in most states is disappearing. And in most states one has to
take a competency test in general knowledge -
3 rs - and the subject. Ole timers did not
have to do that. In MA most old timers I
talk to believe the newest teachers, since
they changed the requirements, are the best
they've seen. Maybe other states should
follow MA lead?

renny writes: "They have been themselves indoctrinated for years into the gay agenda, anti-parents' rights, anti-Americanism, anti-American defense and the military --virtunally none themselves have been enlisted, endless multiculturalism, and little else."

You'll find that teachers reflect the beliefs
of Americans, except in general they skew A
LITTLE more liberal.

You make some points about the SAT that are
true, but the statistic that you miss that
is most important is that more students by
number and by percentage are taking the test.
This has been the reason why scores have lowered.
It seems everyone thinks they have to go to
college.

renny writes:
"How communities will ever get their schools to refocus on actually teaching academic skills instead of leftist social propaganda is beyond hope."

Referring to my last post, you need to
either run for or influence your school
board on the curriculum. The Parker
case in Lexington, MA is telling. The
community supports diversity and the
curriculum. And for what its worth one
of the students in the class of one of the
plaintiff's children had two Mommies.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/02/24/same_sex_teaching_upheld/
http://graphics.boston.com/multimedia/2007/02/23lexington/parker.pdf
Anyways, what I like about this decision is
that it is a model of judicial restraint while
it urges parent activism on behalf of their
child's public school education.

renny writes:
"Mass audiences at board of ed. meetings that oppose the system usually get more acknowledgement than they might realize. 1) If your system isn't responsive, vote bds. out of office; 2) if your questions aren't answered, call the supervisor, call the principal, call the superintendent; 3) go to the school unannounced and insist on being seen by a high official; 4) monitor all students' work so that a family is never blindsided by lessons or events after the fact; keep records of school contacts; 5)most states have laws in place that allow students to study or perform alternate lessons, if parents object--take advantage of them; 6) don't make threats or be violent, no matter how outraged--schools really do not like unhappy parents; 7)hire lawyers and law groups only if all options have been turned aside; 8) parents are not always right or have the best interests of their children in mind, so a certain reasonableness applies, and 9) withdrawing to another district, private school, or homeschooling is always an option."

Some good suggestions, except for maybe #3.
I find it better to set up a time (read a
duration of time) and the place. Be up
front with what you want to discuss and
come with a desired, not mandated, outcome.
Good luck.
place

replies
Godless Commie basically has it right.
State governments do have mandates,
the most important of which is making
the ability to get a free (for the
child) public education. They might
also require certain courses like
in MA - health (one semester) and
US history. There might also be
state tests that students have to
pass to graduate. But the course
selection and content is largely
in the hands of the locally elected
school board. The biggest problem
for parents wanting change is other
parents' apathy.

I believe the main purpose of education,
and thus teaching, is to eliminate ignorance.

Great Article
Just another reason why I have homeschooled for 17 years!

Lily - please do not fall into the trap of believing everything you hear. I've been involved in a homeschool parenting group for 15 years, and I do not know of 1 family who allows their kids to watch TV during school time, unless it's to watch a movie that pertains to the subject at hand. I have my kids watch movies like "To Kill a Mockingbird" and "The Grapes of Wrath" to discuss subject such as prejudice and The Great Depression.

There is also a lot more to school than just rote reading and writing and multiplication tables. I've had the freedom to let my kids experience learning as well as book learning.

My kids are also subject to yearly STAR testing. They have certain requirements they must meet in order to graduate from high school. My adult children are college graduates with one furthering her education. They are responsible, productive adults.

School districts hate homeschooling because that's $5000 less per student they get in their budget (at least here in California). It's amazing that I spend less than $1000 per child per school year and they know more than most of their peers.

I've learned more about geography, government and the history of the US and the world by homeschooling. I don't remember any of this stuff from when I was in high school.

My 15 year old son was amazed that 70% of kids his age could not identify Iraq on a map.

Yes, school districts are different around the country. California has always been on the wierd side when it comes to education. But the content is clear - our educational system is more indoctrination than teaching in many places such as CA, New York, Mass., and other big cities. Midwestern states have always been more conservative and tend to stick with traditional teaching methods, which is much better in the long run.

I recently purchased school books at an estate sale. The woman who passed away was a teacher in the 1930's and 40's. The textbooks were amazing. I think todays highschoolers would implode if they had to do the work the junior highers of the 1930's had to do. Today's bachelors degree from college is equivalent to a high school diploma from the 1940's.

We've dumbed down our kids in the name of self-esteem. We've raised a generation of kids who feel great about themselves but can't read, write, add or identify Iraq on a map.

Abolish Public Schools
Isn't it clear the mere existence of public schools creates these sorts of conflicts?

If schools were private, they'd have to compete for tuition. That means, among other things they'd have to provide parents with curricula ahead of time. And because there would be many more schools, parents would have ample choices on where to send their children.

everyonesfacts
"Jesse, the DOE is not directly stated..."

...and as such is extra-Constitutional, unless you believe that the "general welfare" clause allows Congress to do as it pleases.

The excerpt you cite merely gives the President the power to appoint department heads, it does not give Congress the right to create the department in the first place. I believe you already knew this, but thought you could sneak by without anyone noticing.

Vouchers, vouchers, vouchers
Every time this subject comes up I chant the same mantra.

If the government is going to persist in its unconstitutional involvement in education, at least give parents vouchers and the opportunity to put their kids in a school that doesn't teach a philosophy the parents find abhorrent.



By the way, Loyal Dem: great post, as usual.

BrianR
I agree wholeheartedly. If there was competition in public schools, and people voted with their feet and their wallets, you'd see an instant sea change in education. Especially if teachers got PAID BY THE STUDENT!

Loyal Democrat, Bountyhunter20 & CC...
congratulations! you've just adopted the soviet style of "family".

the next logical step is to have students report to their teachers what is said at home, what tv stations they watch, what they read, if they go to church or such, who their friends are, and other relevant social data.

this will be passed along to 'Big Brother' -aka NEA- who will digest and regurgitate data to their hapless minions in Congress (known as jellyfish, aka democrats) who will propose further legislation aimed at what the public can and cannot do, teach their children, what they can read, watch or listen to, and similar restrictions on our liberties.

far-fetched you say? tell it to my late in-laws. they witnessed it in the soviet union in the 30s and 40s as teens.

bet your ma and pa are real proud of you.

eagle575
Great post.

No, they WANT that kind of life since they can't compete with the rest of us and want us over-achievers held back.

Misery loves company, the Liberal's motto.

GunnyG & eagle575
Guys, please reread LoyalDemocrat's comments with a clearer eye. This person posts regularly on TH, and, frankly, I'm suprised at you, Gunny, for not recognizing LD's penchant for presenting the clear view we might expect from the leftest of the left, when in fact he is illustrating the absurdity of it with that age old literary device known as sarcasm. To lump LD with real lefty's and assume sincerity of his post, only illustrates that he is dead on target when it comes to presenting what we on the right expect from those on the left. My highest regards to Loyal Democrat.

Now, as to the topic, there is a bill RightMarch is promoting that might directly affect the stature of the garnd ole Dept. of Ed. That bill is H.R.1359, and it requires adherence and reflection upon the tenth amendment. It requires all future legislation to include a checklist of how it does not exceed the pervue of the federal government by infringing upon the self - government of each individual state. Such a law might force a grand scale reduction of the feds, if it can be further applied retroactively, once it curtails the propensity of our government to pass more and more legislation in response to every occurence on the planet, despite, their reluctance to provide for the enforcement of existing laws, such as the statutes regarding immigration. Perhaps, such a law might eventually result in our representatives spending four days a week among their constituency, and three in DC acting upon what they have learned. Perhaps it can result in lawmakers at the federal level actually deferring to state legislatures and courts, as was originally intended in our Constitution.

It is ironic that Europe, in their mad dash to Socialism, has adopted many of the federalist oversights that we Americans have foolishly allowed to infiltrate our government while we are slowly awakening to the error of our ways and beginning to set about correcting. We established the "Unity" of our states in an effort to emulate the best characteristic of all our mother countries, and even encouraged mass immigration of Europeans to establish both their identities within cities and their influence in states. The Scandinavian flavor of the upper midwest, and the German Irish blend of the lower; the Chinatowns and the Little Italy's, and such of our urban centers, . . and even the Mormon dominance of the state of Utah, all bear witness to the original intant that is repeatedly trampled by legislation like Roe v. Wade, the Highway act that witheheld federal funds from states on the basis of their drinking ages, and, yes, . . even the "No Child Left Behind Act" that everyone lays at Bush's door, despite the fact that it was his first attempt at gracious bipartisanship, and was penned, primarily, by Teddy K's toadies.

I am here,shortly beyond St. Patrick's Day, with a fresh understanding of a song: "Give Ireland Back To The Irish", and emboldened to add: Give Ohio Back to the Ohioans, California Back to the Californians, Florida back to the Floridians, and so on! We should insist upon being allowed to " Paddle our own Canoes" along this federal stream! No, . . we should be ENCOURAGED to paddle them, with gentle, inobtrusive, water-settling assistance from the unity of our great states by our Union.

Please contact your House Rep today, whether you voted for him or her or not, and DEMAND that they support HR1359.

Sorry for the length, not the passion!
Bakedbones

Constitution and the DOE/Cabinet depts.
Not directly stated does not mean it is
not in the Constitution. The capitalized
version of Article II that I provided make
it perfectly clear that the President can
make new departments and that he will
have to get consent of the Congress.
This has happened.

The founders knew they could no better see
the future than you or me. That is why
the Article is written as it is:
"not herein otherwise provided for and
which shall be made by law." So, the
DOE is in the Constitution as well as
other Cabinet departments.

The Wikipedia article gives several
Cabinet departments asked for by a
President that have been rejected
by Congress.

Again, the creation of this department
does not provide for the federal funding
of local education, just the funding of
the department.

Government schools, not public schools
I can't agree more.

The examples of social engineering and indoctrination given it this article is why home schooling is becoming so popular and wide spread.

I want my children to be educated in the subjects they will need to know to be productive successful member of society, such as; reading, writing, arithmetics, science, history (true history not socialist re-written history, and many more. That is what school is for.

I want my children to learn the above subjects in the setting of a traditional school house where they interact with a teacher (or teachers) who are knowledgeable and proficient the subjects they teach.

I want my children to have the social interaction with other children their age so they can develop the social skills they will need through out life.

I'd love for them to be able to enjoy the extra curricular activities such as school sports, cheer leading, choir, and band but unless government schools change for the better I will have to find ways to expose them to those activities as home schoolers.

The education system in this country is so messed up and controlled by people with political or social agendas I think the only way to fix it is to let parents choose the school they wish their children to attend, be it government or private, and have the government funds each pupil would receive follow them to that school. Then maybe competition between schools will help improve things.

The law makers also need to see about limiting the power of the teachers unions, they have kept too many bad teachers working and are more about controlling what is taught rather than negotiation good pay for quality teachers, making a bad problem much worse.

School and the media
I have two children, 3 1/2 and 20 months. They will never see the inside of a government school not if I have to scrub people's toilets to pay for Catholic school (we're Catholic). And even with that option available, I am STILL strongly considering homeschooling my children. I teach for a living and am reasonably confident that I could instruct my children. My concern is that too much of what our culture has become has pervaded the private schools as well.

I am not - unlike some - worried about "socialization," either. That seems like a buzzword for creating in a child an overarching concern about what their peers think of them - the road to hell, since MOST children these days have their values shaped by television and music.

Which brings me to my next point - it won't matter one whit where you send your children to school if you give them unfettered access to modern media. Everything - EVERYTHING - must be filtered by the parents - music, books, television, DVDs, even cartoons (a pet peeve of mine - ever noticed how all of the cartoon characters scream now? It's as if they all need to be - or are - on some prescription medication).

Our children do not watch television. They are permitted to watch DVDs that we rent or buy for them. And that's the way it's going to stay. And don't tell me that it's too difficult to control what they have access to. This is the most important battle my husband and I will ever fight, and we are not going to abdicate our responsibilities to be popular with anyone - not our kids, not their friends, not their friends' parents - no one.

laura
Great post, wish there were 100 million more like you. Oh well, at least the public schools will ensure a lifetime supply of hamburger flippers for the rest of us...
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