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Monday, January 15, 2007
Phyllis Schlafly :: Townhall.com Columnist
Bush's totalization plan threatens Social Security
by Phyllis Schlafly
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President George W. Bush's secret plan for Social Security has just been released to the public in response to a Freedom of Information lawsuit filed by TREA Senior Citizens League, a million-member seniors advocacy group.

For years the president carried on an energetic public relations campaign to promote his plan to privatize part of Social Security, but he kept under White House lock and key the "totalization" agreement his administration secretly made with Mexico in June 2004.

Is that any way to run the government, or to commit billions of taxpayer dollars? Maybe we have been needing Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., to demand "the most honest, most open" government in history.

If and when Bush personally signs this agreement, it will automatically become law without any congressional action. The law that would have allowed one House of Congress to reject it by a vote within 60 days is generally thought to violate the Supreme Court's 1983 decision in Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Chadha, which declared unconstitutional a one-House veto of a president's action.

Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., has introduced Senate Bill 43 to require totalization agreements to be treated like bilateral trade agreements. His bill would permit a totalization agreement to go into effect only if affirmatively passed by both houses of Congress.

Unless we live in some sort of Bush dictatorship, that's the very least of what totalization should require. It ought to be considered a treaty and require approval by two-thirds of the U.S. Senate.

Totalization is the bureaucratic buzzword for the plan to put millions of illegal Mexican workers into the U.S. Social Security system. They would collect U.S. benefits based on their U.S earnings under false or stolen Social Security numbers plus alleged earnings in Mexico.

U.S. citizens must work 10 years to be eligible for Social Security benefits, but the totalization agreement would allow Mexicans to qualify with only 18 months of work in the United States, and pretend to make up the difference by assuming work in Mexico. It is highly doubtful that the illegal immigrants ever paid into a Mexican system for eight and a half years.

It could be "virtual" work or "virtual" payments (just like the "virtual" fence proposed for the U.S.-Mexico border, or the "virtual" law that promised to build one).

A 2003 Government Accountability Office report tactfully declined to comment on "the integrity of Mexico's social security data" and warned that the cost to U.S. taxpayers is "highly uncertain."

The United States has totalization agreements with 21 other countries in order to assure a pension to those few individuals who work in two countries (legally, of course) by "totalizing" their payments into the pension systems of both countries. All existing totalization agreements are with industrialized nations whose retirement systems are on a parity with that of the United States. Mexican retirement benefits are not remotely equal to U.S. benefits. U.S. citizens receive benefits after working for 10 years, but Mexicans have to work 24 years before receiving benefits.

Mexican workers receive in retirement only what they paid in plus interest, whereas the U.S. Social Security system is skewed to give lower-wage earners benefits greatly in excess of what they and their employers contributed. Mexico has two different retirement programs, one for public-sector employees, which is draining the Mexican national treasury, and one for private-sector workers, which covers only 40 percent of the work force. Most Mexicans who illegally entered the United States previously lived in poverty, where they were unemployed, or worked in the off-the-record economy, or worked for employers who did not pay taxes into a retirement system.

The Bush totalization plan would put millions of Mexicans onto the rolls of the U.S. Social Security system just as the baby boom generation retires. The White House won't deny that imposing higher taxes on U.S. workers is "on the table" to deal with the expected shortfall.

The Bush totalization plan would lure even more Mexicans into the United States illegally in the hope of amnesty and eligibility for Social Security benefits for themselves, as well as for their spouses and dependents who may never have lived in the United States.

Totalization is part and parcel of the Council on Foreign Relations five-year plan for the "establishment by 2010 of a North American economic and security community" with a common "outer security perimeter." The 59-page CFR document - which can claim Bush administration approval because it is posted on a U.S. State Department Web site - demands the implementation of "the Social Security Totalization Agreement negotiated between the United States and Mexico." Americans should raise a mighty clamor to demand that President Bush NOT sign this billion-dollar rip-off of American taxpayers and senior citizens. Meanwhile, tell your Congressional representative to hurry up and pass the Ensign bill.

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Largest political scam in history
Never mind Kofi Annan's Oil for Saddam's Castles (and payoffs) scandal. The Social Security Ponzi scheme is by far the largest scam ever perpetrated by politicians on an unaware populace. Bush is merely the latest in a long line of politician-criminals associated with Social Security.

SOLD OUT
If I had known about this in 2004 when it was signed, I would not have voted for W. again. It's no wonder the White House tried to keep this secret. It was outrageous enough that the President has left the borders open(particularly post 9/11), it's doubly outrageous that he now wants to reward tresspassing foreign nationals with citizenship AND Social Security. CITIZENS had better wake up and make some noise. We the people are being sold out by both parties pandering to citizens of other countries who shouldn't even be here. We are being propagandized that it's good for us to lose our country. And we will get to pay for the pleasure of it, too.

Conspiracy Theory
It sometimes appears that there is some sort of secret gentlemans agreement between us and the Mexican govt.. The only thing is, what is it they have on us that makes our side so willing bow to them? Have they threattened to allow al Queda to locate camps in Mexico? Or have they threatened to close the border and not let spring breakers travel to Cancun for the parties?

What ever it is we appear to be having to bend over and grab our ankles for them.

Why should anyone care?
The fact remains that demographics threaten Social Security. This treasonous totalization plan is merely another straw on the camel's back.

I'll give Bush credit for one thing: he tried.
That doesn't excuse what he's doing now, but I don't see Democrats railing against it or against the crime that is being committed against all Americans and against everyone who came to this country LEGALLY.
Republicans who STILL think John McCain should be president need to have their heads examined.
Democrats who still think Social Security would be just fine but for Bush's spending sprees deserve to lose every dime they ever put into this Ponzi scheme. They've used it as a club for more than two decades, smacking down everyone who had the temerity to suggest that its finances weren't kosher. They railed against Bush's Medicare Part D plan because it DIDN"T SPEND ENOUGH and then complained about huge deficits.

Let the revolution begin!

Write Your Congressmen
I emailed all my state representatives. Hopefully if enough of us do it they will kill this twisted attempt to backdoor hard working Americans and legal aliens who are doing the right thing.

Email this column to everyone you know
and the contact your representatives. Already the hostility with illegal aliens is at an all time high and adding this to the boiling pot is simply beyond all sane understanding.

oops, typo...
should read, "and THEN contact.."

ponzi scheme??
Retirement systems, like Social Security, are openly declared for what they are. In a genuine Ponzi scheme, the perpetrators falsely claim that there is some business that generates the promised revenues. In Social Security, people know where the money comes from, and actuaries supply written predictions of future cash in-flows and out-flows. It should be noted that Ponzi schemes involve voluntary participation, while systems such as Social Security rely on government power.

Never thought I would agree with a
Jersey Girl, but she's right.

Let the revolution begin!

Bush
Bush should be promoting himself as our first Hispanic President. He seems to work harder on their behalf than anyone else.

this goes beyond social security
In many ways the entire Bush approach to immigration is to create a "level playing field" in the Americas.

Elitists of both parties support this vision.

Its goal is to allow for the free, unrestricted movement of goods, services, labor, capital(intellectual and physical)among the Americas.

A kind of American version of the European Union.

The abolition of borders is the eventual goal of this plan.

I don't see how this avoids a radical decrease in the living standards of North Americans(especially U.S. residents), along with a commensurate increase in living standards in South and Latin America.

I know some will ridicule these concerns, but when an Ecuadoran or Guatemalan can perform the same labor at $1.00 per hour, as it takes his U.S. counterpart $13.00 per hour to perform, the wages of the U.S. worker must decrease in order to become competitive.

And as technology and "intellectual capital" now seamlessly crosses borders, highly skilled and technologically sophisticated operations can just as easily be set up in Quito as in Denver.

Not only low-skilled jobs would be adversely affected in the U.S.

Totalization
Yeah, totally in our pocket as usual! Can't tell the left from the right these days. Does the AARP know about this? Where has the main strem media been on this issue? They bash Bush about everything else!

that broke the camels back...
it seems people are starting to wake up to the realities of Nafta, Cafta and the FTAA. As Ross Perot described...."a giant sucking sound"...that being our jobs, our economic base, our money, etc.etc.etc.

Don't bother e-mailing any of your representatives - they don't work. All you will receive is some pre-written letter telling you what your ELECTED rep is going to do. CALL them! Set up a phone tree within your community/family and be heard.

Most importantly, consider voting for a SECOND party. If you think we currently have two - you are hopelessly lost. I joined the Constitution party two years ago because the people need representation.

http://www.constitutionparty.com

After I retired from the US Navy, I soon figured out the biggest threat to America lied within.

Wake up America

Thoughts
If the Soc Sec funds borrowed were paid back the plan would be solvent even with His Royal W-ness stealing some for his relatives south of the border.
The media is owned by the Left, the Right wants to own Life, Who cares what the working people in the middle want as long as the "Tri-lateral Comm" gets their way.
Marksmanship needs to be a mandated part of k-12 coricculum. In order to maintain a secure society "The right of the people to keep and bear and bear arms" should be required. Those who would eliminate the 2nd ammendment are terrified that, when their actions are exposed, the public will rise as one against them.
It's interesting that the "Right" would let us defend ourselves but not employ us while the Left will employ us but leave us defenceless and both want ALL of our money.

zapdoodat
Your pitiful attempt at rationalization notwithstanding, by mathematical definition SS is a Ponzi scheme, pure and simple. Furthermore, contrary to your assertion, SS is NOT openly declared for what it really is, namely, a massive redistribution of producers' resources to non-producers, as well as open theft by a government with unlimited police powers. It is anything BUT a retirement system. No retirement systems even remotely similar to SS exist anywhere in the private sector. Ask yourself the question: why have the politicians voted themselves a SEPARATE retirement system? SS exists simply because greedy politicians have yet again fooled an ignorant populace.

Truth in advertising
If we feel that "government" must pass laws to force private businesses to provide us with "truth" about the products they offer us, particualarly in the field of medicine, I often wonder why we do not insist on the same rules to cover what politicians want us to swallow. You know, like all the possible "side effects" and dangers to certain people in certain conditions?

Trying to get politicians to reveal just who benefits and sponsors "earmarks" (with exceptions that benefit certain politicians) is just one tiny step. We should demand the full story behind EVERY law, and of course, if there is any "insider trading", such as why American Samoa was excluded from the new "minimum wage proposal" and if there are any seeming connections to the contributions to election campaigns.

For that matter, there should be a full explanation as to the purpose of any law and exceptions so at least We, the People could identify just why such legislation or regulations were proposed and passed in the first place.

Of course, we WON'T get that as long as we see ourselves as seeming "beneficiaries" of some politician's generosity with otper people's money and property.

Even more plainly, if the Democrats are truly going to give us the "most open, most honest government in history", one can only wonder why the forst order of business was to change the rules on Congressional pay raises so thay have to openly vote FOR giving themselves a raise instead of being allowed to only to vote to refuse one.

Time for Impeachment?
I am a registered Republican who voted for Bush twice but this is as someone above said, the last straw. I would push for impeachment of Bush if this goes through.

CALL THE WHITE HOUSE....
HERE'S THE DIRECT SWITCHBOARD LINE...THEY DON'T WANT YOU CALLING IT.

AND IF THEY TRY AND CONNECT YOU TO THE STUPID 'COMMENT LINE,' KEEP CALLING BACK. LET'S MAKE THEM CHANGE THE NUMBER BECAUSE WE'RE BUGGING THEM SO MUCH.

202 456 1414.

KEEP CALLING ABOUT THIS, GUYS!

Even worse than Carter
I never thought it possible that I would think it possible for any president to do a worse job than Jimminy Carter. Bush does seem to be working on it. I wonder if his poll numbers could creep lower than 10%?

suomi78006
Yeah, those low numbers are gonna kill his reelection chances.

Social Securty for illegals
I regret voting and supporting Bush, he is a big factor in tearing apart the GOP.

This is so hard for me to believe ...
We just received a letter from the Mountain States Legal Foundation apprising us of the efforts now underway to combine the United States, Mexico and Canada into a North American Unity similar to the European Union, and eventually combine the dollar and peso into one currency. We have already received two letters concerning the Social Security devil's deal.

Here in Dallas, fast food chains and Carnivale grocery stoes are already accepting the peso as payment for goods. It will spread like wildfire because money is money. I also heard that the beginning of the NAFTA highway is starting from a port in Mexico, will come through the U.S. and into Canada. So, looks like everything is coming together now to destroy our country. The leftists will soon get their way, it seems. I wonder how they will fare since those of us in the U.S. are going to suffer mightily. And, it does beg the question as to how the elderly are going to survive, as well as the tiny babies, or will we all be relieved of our right to life for the good of all? Didn't Pres. Clinton and Hillary spout this the other day - that the right of the individual no longer counts against the "good" of the majority. Isn't this how dictatorships begin?

Once again, I feel like Jeremiah sitting by the waters of Babylon weeping for Jerusalem. I just didn't realize this is all to take place by 2010.

Grab your guns now!
It's time for another Revolution. The government's tyranny knows no bounds.

tbmbuzz
what mathematical definition???

does this definition say that all taxes are a ponzi scheme?

Americans stuck with the triple whammy
We get stuck for their subsidies, their taxes and their liabilities.

Most illegals don't pay taxes, most earn low wages & have large families, their Social Security & income tax crontributions get obliterated by the EITC (earned income tax credit) so not only do they not PAY ANY TAXES they get benefits & we get their liabilities on top of whatever subsidies we pay.


Bush is scary
Last year the federal government "borrowed" more than $150 billion from the social security trust fund. This amount did not show up in the budget deficit because it is based on the government's actual cashflow. But every year the social security surplus is spent and the U.S. government issues special treasury bonds to cover the debt to SS. The repayment of these bonds is supposed to be backed by the "full faith and credit" of the United States, just like our debt to foreign countries. Unfortunately Bush has indicated that he has no intention of ever repaying the social security bonds. In one speech he refered to these bonds as "just little bits of paper." It appears that he will give a higher priority to repaying foreign debt than social security debt. I think that the total amount owed by the government to the social security trust fund is approaching about $2 trillion.

Smitty
i work at the irs and you can look up the rules, but illegal are not allowed to claim the EITC.

http://www.irs.gov

once again
To claim the EITC on your tax return, you must meet all of the following rules:

*
Must have a valid Social Security Number
*
You must have earned income from employment or from self-employment.
*
Your filing status cannot be married, filing separately.
*
You must be a U.S. citizen or resident alien all year, or a nonresident alien married to a U.S. citizen or resident alien and filing a joint return.

boozer1000
"Unfortunately Bush has indicated that he has no intention of ever repaying the social security bonds."

Dude, BIG DEAL, bush is gone in less than two years. These bonds are not due for 20 years.



zapdoodat
Look up for yourself how a Ponzi scheme works and then demonstrate to us how SS is "different".


What does your non sequitur (a favorite "debating" tactic by libs) on taxes have to do with this?

tbmbuzz
"mathematical definition SS is a Ponzi scheme, pure and simple"

You claimed it, you prove it!

I pronounce you a phony conservative and me the real conservative.

Dude, let's keep to the facts.

Secret Government and Democracy don't mi

Secret Government and Democracy don't mix.


Now do we see why secret government is bad? Is always bad, and will always be bad.

GW, but mostly Cheney have been forcing their unitary government down our throats. Most have declared it okay because, after all, it's republicans...

This is why we have a system of government and regardless of what party is in power- it must be adhered too.

Just wait until the whole picture comes out, if you think this bad.

Boozer1000
Boozer1000 writes: Tuesday, January, 16, 2007 1:58 PM
Bush is scary
Last year the federal government "borrowed" more than $150 billion from the social security trust fund. This amount did not show up in the budget deficit because it is based on the government's actual cashflow. But every year the social security surplus is spent and the U.S. government issues special treasury bonds to cover the debt to SS. The repayment of these bonds is supposed to be backed by the "full faith and credit" of the United States, just like our debt to foreign countries. Unfortunately Bush has indicated that he has no intention of ever repaying the social security bonds. In one speech he refered to these bonds as "just little bits of paper." It appears that he will give a higher priority to repaying foreign debt than social security debt. I think that the total amount owed by the government to the social security trust fund is approaching about $2 trillion.

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The worst part about this is the "personal responsibility" mantra used by this admin so much, but they never seem to apply it to themselves. Our grandkids will be dealing with the effects of these bad policies.

A live for today and who gives a damn about tomorrow…Great concept for our President.

Which we are finding out we do not even know of all the policies yet.

Totalization or Not...
Socialist Security is doomed.
Whether a ponzi scheme or just good intention wrapped around the failed socialist tactic of wealth redistribution matters not a damn; social security is long past being declared a failure.
I sincerely doubt that things are quite as described in the article. Much of the trans-America corridor/American Union stuff is also fresh cattle waste.
Don't take me for one of those who thinks we should have a path for citizenship for those who have violated our borders and other laws, but the alternative to toalization I normally hear discussed is equally wrong. Most of you who want the President impeached or worse for this thinbg probably think we should keep the contributions of these low-income workers as recompense for their crimes and use the money for grandma and grandpa. Well shame on you, too!
Either we need the workers or we don't. If we need them, we should provide a path for legitimizing their presence here; one that does not include a path to citizenship. A part of the legal mechanism that authorizes the filling of the legitimate labor needs of US companies ought to include some reference to their participation (or not) in socialist security. If we don't need them, then we should not be wasting our time on this.
In any case, socialist security will not be there for me, and will be just a bad memory by the time my children are ready to retire.

BikerKnight
"social security is long past being declared a failure"

it's one of the few government programs in the black, it has positive cash flow.

take farm subsidies, that's DOOM.
in that respect we are as bad as the collective farms of the USSR.

Get the farming welfare queens off the dole and go to a free market.



need some help
can anyone point me to the article: "Totalization is part and parcel of the Council on Foreign Relations five-year plan for the "establishment by 2010 of a North American economic and security community" with a common "outer security perimeter." The 59-page CFR document - which can claim Bush administration approval because it is posted on a U.S. State Department Web site -" I can't seem to find in on State Web site...
thanks

Phyllis, Darling....
...certainly your joking: "Maybe we have been needing Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., to demand "the most honest, most open" government in history".

Globalists like George Bush, Karl Rove, Grover Norquist and the bunch at the Manhattan Institute believe that the "concept of sovereign borders and nationalism are antiquated. Obsolete thinking". We have to realize that's what they are about even though they'll deny it. In this particular area, illegal-immigration, they have simply strayed off course. Its almost like they're in some kind of wierd trance and when they wake up they'll be shocked at what they've done.

But they're not as bad as left-wing socialists like Nan Pelosi. The Dem's certainly do not the answer. They're clear about what they want to do. Destroy America as we have known it.

We just need to clean up our dysfunctional GOP. Check out "The GOP Id vs. The GOP SuperEgo - Parts I & II" on my blog if you have time. Done some research on Norquist and the Manhattan Institute. Its eye opening but'll make you understand where "W" is. And its not good. DD

http://streetlevel.townhall.com

IRS provides taxpayer ID#s
The IRS provides taxpayer ID numbers for our "undocumented workers". That is one branch of the gov't that will do their job. They want to make sure they get the money even if the person does not have a valid Social Security number. Not sure, but I think if they file and meet the requirements, they still get the EITC.

Bush has really gone too far
The real issue is there is NO JOBS that some American citizen "won't" do. Before the "invasion" there was never a problem finding an American citizen to clean your house, mow your lawn, or work in a fast food resturant. However, illegals began to undercut citizens and do the job for half the price (or even less if you paid in cash).
Not that businesses are inherently bad, but they began to look at the bottom line (even private citizens) and said, "why should I pay someone $8 an hour when I can pay another person $4 an hour, not have to pay any taxes or other benefits, not have to claim them on insurance, etc.". It began to make good business sense to use illegals for low skilled jobs, even though we have plenty of workers right here in the U.S. to fill those jobs.
When someone tells you there aren't enough low skilled workers, ask them how many people are on welfare. It is now very hard for low skilled workers to find any job. There were several reports of buses on unemployed African American men heading towards New Orleans to get some of the contract rebuilding work that our tax dollars was paying for. They were turned away because illegals had already arrived and undercut the pay. They actually set up refuge like tent camps to become day laborers.
Now, to put these people onto social security, which already overpays many people benefits, is just the last straw. They aren't doing jobs we won't, they are taking jobs.
And to only require them to work for 18 months, when it took us over 10 years to "qualify" (even though by the time I retire it won't be there).

Found this document
I found this document on the State Department site: http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/61506.pdf

There is a paragraph that states that Mexico does not see it's people as illegal immigrants but undocumented workers and because the U.S. is providing jobs for these "migrant" workers it bears some of the blame for the "problem". So, there you have it. Fox and his people have told us how to solve the invasion problem - STOP GIVING ILLEGALS JOBS. So, if they said giving illegals jobs was a problem causing the invasion, what does Bush think will happen when we not only give them jobs, but tell them we willt take care of them for the rest of their life if they will only work for 18 months!

Not That Big of a Deal
This story is somewhat of a scary tactic that is praying on people not knowing current law or much about the Social Security program.

"All existing totalization agreements are with industrialized nations whose retirement systems are on a parity with that of the United States."

U.S. has agreements with Greece and Chile, not third world, but not on the level of the U.S., Canada, Germany, Japan or U.K.

Next thing is that no matter what a totalization agreement says you must be in the U.S. legally to receive Social Security benefits and the worker must have been assigned a work authorized SSN for anyone to receive benefits on the record.
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http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0300204010
RS 00204.010 Lawful Presence Payment Provisions

On August 22, 1996, the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (PRWORA or Public Law 104-193) was signed into law. Section 401(a) of the Personal Responsibility Act places restrictions on the payment of benefits to aliens in the U.S. under title II of the Social Security Act. Section 401(b)(2) of PRWORA, however, provides an exception allowing any alien eligible for benefits under title II of the Social Security Act to be paid when he/she is “lawfully present in the United States as determined by the Attorney General.” The Attorney General defined the phrase “lawfully present in the United States” for purposes of paying title II benefits in regulations published on September 6, 1996 by the Department of Homeland Security (previously known as the Immigration and Naturalization Service)
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So where people should be placing their efforts is in on keeping the Senate immigration bill from getting passed.

The one thing people should be biching about that is current SSA policy is if you work illegally in the U.S. and later get legal status you can get credit for the illegal work.
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http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0300301102
RS 00301.102 Additional Requirements for Alien Workers- Social Security Protection Act of 2004

F. EXAMPLES

4. SSN Assigned On or After 1/1/2004: Alien NH Has "Work SSN," Prior Status as Undocumented Alien

Gustav entered the U.S. without inspection (i.e., he was an undocumented alien) on 4/16/97.

He worked without authorization from DHS for several years in covered employment using his brother's name and SSN.

He applied for admission as a lawfully admitted permanent resident alien (LAPR) and
was granted LAPR status on 3/13/04. Gustav applied for an SSN on 4/27/04 and was assigned an SSN and issued an SSN card for work purposes on
5/12/04. He became disabled on 6/22/04. Gustav, his wife and children applied for Title II benefits on 6/30/04. The children are U.S. citizens; the wife is LAPR.

Gustav's own SSN was originally assigned on or after 1/1/04; therefore, we have to determine whether he meets the requirements of Section 211 of the SSPA. Since Gustav had been issued an SSN card for work purposes on 5/14/04, he meets the requirements of Section 211 of the SSPA.

Therefore, determine whether Gustav meets DIB insured status using all of his covered
earnings, including wages and/or self-employment income earned while he worked illegally under his brother's SSN. Take the necessary corrective
action to move Gustav's earnings as an undocumented alien from his brother's record and/or the suspense file to the earnings record for his own SSN.

All of Gustav's covered earnings may be used to establish quarters of coverage and to determine insured status. If Gustav meets the applicable
insured status test(s), process an award. If he does not meet the insured status test(s), process an insured status disallowance.

NOTE: Gustav's wife and children can be entitled if he is entitled to benefits. Also, Gustav and his wife must meet the lawful presence
requirement if they are in the U.S.
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The other thing about this story that is misleading is that the agreement only allow you to combine U.S. and foreign credit to become eligible for Social Security benefits and you must have a minimum of 6 U.S. credits, that's where they come up with the 18 months of working in the U.S. to be eligible for benefits. That not totally true since credits are based on total earnings for the year. So a person could possiblly work one day in one year to earn enough to earn 4 Social Security credits and one day in the next year to earn the other 2 credits.

Plus credits only determine eligiblity. The benefit is based on your years of Social Security covered earnings in the U.S., so 18 months of work isn't going to get you much of a benefit.

People should take the time to look at the current aggreements to see how the Mexico agreement will probable work:

http://www.ssa.gov/international/agreement_descriptions.html

Not That Big of a Deal (Part 2)
One additional fact I forgot to mention. You can't combine U.S. and foreign credits to get Medicare. Still need 10 years of U.S. work for Medicare.

As I said people are putting their outrage in the wrong area by going after this agreement. It should be aimed at keeping the Senate or President's immigration "reform" bills from getting passed. Since, you can't get Social Security credit for illegal work, but you can once you get legal status.

More on the North American Union

Oops
Disregard the 1st link under "Also:". It's a repeat of segment 3.

Part of a package
The totalization treaty won't be signed until Bush gets his "comprehensive immigration reform". It is all part and parcel of a plan that's been in place from the beginning. We conservatives have been had. The reduction in border control and interior immigration enforcement point to a plan to increase the number of illegal aliens so that those in power can convince enough people that we have no other choice than another amnesty. We must not be sheep and accept the loss of our country without a bleat.

CFR's Bldg. a North American Community
Here is the link to read what is really going on in our country today. It is the Council on Foreign Relations' blueprint document called, "Building a North American Community". THIS is why the powers that be have no interest in securing our borders. The plan is to merge the U.S., Canada and Mexico into a big mess, just like the EU. So long Constitution, so long sovereignty.

http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_final.pdf
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