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Wednesday, December 26, 2007
Phil Harris :: Townhall.com Columnist
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If the Republican primaries were a game of musical chairs, it would seem that there are six seats and seven players ready for the game to begin. Ambassador Alan Keyes would make it an even field of eight vying for seven chairs.

Alan Keyes stepped up to the plate after receiving a desperate plea from the Republican Party to challenge Barack Obama in the 2004 Illinois Senate race. He had less than three months to go from nothing until the general election. I wish they had not done that to the Ambassador in retrospect, but he still managed to obtain a respectable 1.3 million votes.

This morning I puttered around on the Keyes campaign website and came away somewhat astonished. If there were reason to publish all of my thoughts concerning the various issues, I think that I could take most of Alan's and simply put my own name on them. Perhaps this field of Republican candidates is not so bland after all.

Alan Keyes ought to be in the game and in serious consideration by conservatives everywhere. From what I understand, he still needs help securing spots on various state ballots, so if you want to measure the other candidates with a man who, in my opinion, seems to be a reasonably complete package, then I think we should at least help him get in the game.

The others all have "cons" to go along with their conservatism and palatability, and indeed, they all have some "pros" as well. Let us take a quick run-through.

Senator McCain seems to have a good handle on defense and the war, except for his understandable sensitivity to the rough handling of certain prisoners. I only wish he would remember that he was a "good-guy" when he was a prisoner, as opposed to the "bad-guys" from whom we need information. Senator McCain also has trouble knowing who the enemy is in the Senate, from time to time. It's the liberals John… stay away from them!

Mike Huckabee seems to be on my page regarding abortion, marriage, and matters of faith. To hear various pundits express an icky-fit about whether a cross intentionally was placed in his ad, just about makes me break out in hives. The "thing" was indeed a bookshelf. Huckabee would likely swear that he is not a woman too, even though he probably has man boobs. Perhaps he should be crucified for that as well. On the down side, Mike Huckabee seems to have a problem, knowing when and how best to criticize a sitting President. That shows a lack of judgment that I would expect from the loony left.

Duncan Hunter seems to be a fine fellow, but true or false, I get the impression that he is driven by a single issue, and that would be illegal immigration. There is just so much more on our plate than that, and I need to feel that my President has his hands on all the knobs.

Mitt Romney really makes you feel good while watching him speak. He is very articulate, well groomed, and obviously cool under fire. I really do not believe his Mormonism would be a problem, but the purity of his conservative blood might. The fact that under his watch, same-sex marriage flared up out of control in his state makes me cringe. Just the idea that the most liberal state in the Union could tolerate him enough to elect him Governor… makes me clinch my…. oh, you know what I mean. Mitt may be a little bit too smooth to earn my trust.

Fred Thompson is one of my favorites. He speaks with authority, and what he says sounds well reasoned and generally wise. Unfortunately, he comes across as if his fire is a bit too regulated. Up against a bile-spitting democrat contender, who will cover their ineptitude with bald-faced lies, I am not certain Fred will sell as well as he needs to. I also would like to see Fred take a more direct stand on fixing the abortion affliction.

Ron Paul has many good things to say, and conservative may be hard-pressed to disagree with too much of it. Unfortunately, he does not seem to comprehend the idea that in this modern day and age, it is extremely important that we make our defensive stand well away from our shores. Ron also seems to have attracted certain folks to his camp, such as those who are incensed that the likes of Alan Keyes, Barack Obama, and Joe Lieberman are allowed to hold public office.

Rudy Giuliani has proven to be an effective leader. You cannot deny that he did a great job cleaning up New York, making it a better place to live and work. He also did a good job after the terrorist attacks, and whether you like him or not, he put a good hard face on the city for the world to see. There is just a lot of liberal social baggage on his cart though, and I do not want my President to be fighting me on moral principles.

I am not stumping for Alan Keyes, despite what you may surmise from this article, but from what I know of the man, conservatives should give him a good look. I have seen little discussion of his candidacy; rather, there was great surprise that he even participated in the recent Iowa debate.

I hope you will check out Alan Keyes and his stand on the issues here: http://www.alankeyes.com/issues.php . After doing so, please fill me in regarding any "cons" that should make me look unfavorably on Ambassador Keyes. That said, if you tell me it is because he is black, or because he is too Christian, I will vigorously pray that your guardian angel should give you a swift kick in the tail pipe.

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Alan Keyes' daughter
Alan Keyes kicked his lesbian daughter out of the house. I would rather vote for Dick Cheney and his family values.

message
Will the real conservative please take two steps backward, or get clearly out of the way if possible.

off and running
Swampfox: Makes me cringe thinking of the policy implications of that. I bet he doesn't always lift the toilet seat either.

Lesbian Daughter?
You know... it is possible to Love your daughter, while not condoning her decisions, or lifestyle choices. If one believes that homosexuality is a destructive behavior, then only a hypocrit will pretend it doesn't exist.

There are plenty of examples where children are invited to Not live in the home, when their behavior is contrary to the good of the home, such as unrepentant drug and alcohol use.

You can argue about the "normalcy" of homosexuality until you are blue in the face. That does not make it right, and it does not make it a "good thing."


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Dick Cheney is a closet Democrat?
YellowGuy, do you think that Dick Cheney is a closet Democrat? I would suggest that you Goggle Alica Keyes and learn about her.

What a sexual deviant you are
Swampfox
Every thread you show up on gets turned into a reprobate theme song.

not too smooth to earn my trust...
Harris points out that all candidates have their foibles...and that Romney's is that he is perceived as being untrustworthy.

Of course, most of what political types say has never been trustworthy. Most people running for office have the gift of word bending, which should focus the populace on something other than the candidates words, no? If indeed, talk is cheap, and it is, what do we find when we look at actions...

I found a man who has pledged to forego his salary as President of the United States and who refused the same as Mass’s. Governor. Imagine, the president as a true public servant…..

I found a man who recently spent a free Saturday morning in October helping San Diego fire victims, without so much as a word to the press? Chopping down trees and cleaning up “thy neighbor’s” property. Seems pretty disingenuous to me, don’t you think?

I find a man who once shut down his private business, and paid his staff to search for the missing daughter of one of his employees? No questions or expectations, just “let’s go find her”! No one was watching and no one was listening. What does this say about the man?

I found a man who has been loyal, faithful and true to his one wife and love for 38 years. This says volumes about a person’s character, to have been devoted and perfectly faithful in this most sacred of all relationships. And yet, some say he can’t be trusted!

I found a man who donated thousands of hours per year to his church congregation over many years…no compensation….no salary…no personal donations accepted?

Finally, I find a candidate who routinely turns organization’s fiscal mismanagement into economic victory for the company and its employees and interests. And far more importantly, there is no one suggesting that he ever broke any laws or violated ethics in doing so! No Blackwater, no Whitewater, no Halliburton.

Romney's words, like all others, mean nothing. Its his actions that make it so easy to support him!

Stand For Nothing, Fall For Anything
Not to be, fooled as before. Another liberal disguised as a conservative?

You dismiss the fact that Mitt Romney invoked a 1913 law to prevent the MASS., from becoming the Las Vegas of marriage for gays in America. That is all he could do legally before his term concluded.

You came across very smooth yourself but does not mean that you are not trustworthy. It is your intent to plant a man that would only make matters worse. Why now? You might think, like happened with other late bloomers, in the last week before things begin to pop, you can stop Mitt, who has been smeared with the most flimsy excuses and enlarged upon with every slight and intent, because he has faired better and been hit harder than any presidential hopeful, except for one who was assassinated two weeks before announcing he would run.

I even fear for his life, and with good cause, learning of the hypocrites and corrupt designing means they have contrived to discredit him, with false claims . If Americans do not see the charade and Mitt is passed over, Mitt did not lose, America lost and our children for generations. But is that is God’s will so be it.

how many ways
can you slice a wing? The conservative wing of the party, that is. The trouble with Keyes as with more than one other of the "considered" true conservatives in the primary is that they split the conservative vote so many ways as to virtually guarantee a RINO gets the nomination. I'm not banging Keyes for running because I disagree with him on the principles he espouses. However one has to wonder if he or Ron Paul or Duncan Hunter or Fred Thompson or Mike Huckabee ever considered how in the world a conservative could get nominated by splitting the primary vote so many ways. Wiser men would have gathered together in some smoke filled room and hammered out some kind of new conservative coalition. That this did not happen makes me extremely suspicious that the motives for running might be to marginalize a surging conservative grass roots movement. Keyes' newly arrived candidacy and Phil Harris' encouragement of it sharpens that suspicion. The odds are stacked against us. These guys can't be clueless so I have to forcibly ask a few of them to get out of the way. Too many chefs spoil the stew.

Wow para_dimz
"Wiser men would have gathered together in some smoke filled room and hammered out some kind of new conservative coalition. That this did not happen makes me extremely suspicious that the motives for running might be to marginalize a surging conservative grass roots movement.”

And that generally… scares the living daylights out of me. Excuse me, but I think they are part(s) of the surging conservative movement. In politics never underestimate the ego though.


To Talent Scout
Talent Scout writes; "What a sexual deviant you are Swampfox. Every thread you show up on gets turned into a reprobate theme song."

Swampfox: Phil Harris was the idiot who asked why not Alan Keyes for President. I gave him a solid, honest answer.

Can you answer this, why does Phil Harris get his photo that is attached to this article taken with sunglasses?

Great orator, weak executive
I have worked as a volunteer for one of Alan Keyes's campaigns--his first U.S. Senate bid in Maryland. I voted for him then and later on when he ran unsuccessfully in the Republican Presidential Primary.

Just as he would later do in his bid in Illinois and in his current candidacy for POTUS, Ambassador Keyes entered the Maryland race too late to get organized. I recall that, at the time, even though I was utterly impressed by his ideas and rhetorical brilliance, I was disappointed by the inefficiency of those he selected to run his campaign. Overall, I'd say he is a brilliant spokesman for conservatism but an incompetent manager.

Please!
I'm begging all good Republicans everywhere: PLEASE nominate Alan Keyes!

As a native of Champaign, IL, I remember watching with delight as the elegant, articulate, sophisticated Sen. Obama ripped the pompous, arrogant, phoney Ambassador Keyes to virtual shreds without so much as breaking a sweat.

PLEASE nominate Alan Keyes!


One issue candidate?
Phil Harris obviously hasn't listened much to Duncan Hunter or he would know how foolish his comment was about him. Duncan Hunter has been leading the fight in Congress to enforce our immigration laws. You would expect that from a congressman from San Diego.

His son also served two tours in Iraq and one tour in Afghanistan so Harris might want to add that to the issues Duncan Hunter is concerned with and has raised in his campaign. Hunter is also a former Army Ranger.

Hunter has also been leading the pack in denouncing China's unfair trade practices. Harris apparently didn't notice that one either.

Hunter has also proposed eliminating 28% of federal programs which he has called ineffective.

He also co-sponsored the Eminent Domain Tax Relief Act and has proposed eliminating the marriage tax penalty, reforming the alternative minimum tax and eliminating antiquated taxes such as the Federal Telephone Excise Tax.

He also introduced the Right to Life Act, The Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act, and several other pieces of legislation protecting the rights of unborn children.

These are just a sampling of the issues he has raised in his campaign. It is shame that Townhall columnists haven't done their homework.

Gee A
Yes, I suppose that the scruffy old man Keyes isn't as pretty as the wet-behind-the-ears Obama who loves nothing better than a good abortion story to sooth him to sleep at night.

Why, Ambassador Keyes had old President Reagan fooled during all those years of foreign affairs service. I guess Obama's three years in the Senate has given him all the wisdom he will ever need to sweet talk his way through the Nation's troubles.

Abortion for All, and All for Abortion.... is the Obama family motto.

Yes that is quite elegant...

Obama is a plastic man, with as much quality in his contruction as all the other made-in-China crap we are buying today.

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Even if you are correct...
and Keyes has all the true conservative credentials, it doesn't count for anything for two simple reasons. First, Alan Keyes is a bitter, angry man who comes off very harsh. Even if he were correct on every thing he said, he still would not be able to communicate a vision of hope for a better America. And second, even if he were a great communicator (like Huckabee) he would still be rejected and accused of not being conservative enough because there is a strong anti-Christian bigotry within the GOP establishment.

The NeoCons who are in charge really only want to look religious to gain the Evangelical support; they don’t really want someone like Keyes (or Huckabee) who put faith and morality above politics. In other words, the parties elite are not after a person with genuine character and convictions, they want someone like Romney who can look religious to gain the support of the Christian right but who is willing to adopt any position for political gain.

Keyes
Gosh, I wonder why Harris forgot to mention that when Keyes ran against Obama, Keyes got only 27% of the vote compared with Obama's 70%. Possibly this outcome had something to do with Keyes being a lying fool. People absolutely hate him. Two examples: 1) When both men campaigned on Devon Avenue, Chicago's Indian/Pakistani community, the assembled public despised Keyes and was so threatening to him that he had to take refuge in his car. 2) When he announced that he would run for Illinois Senator (although he lived in Maryland), Keyes rented the top floor of a decrepit slum property in a remote Chicago super-slumn the edge of town and gave out the story that he and his family were going to move there, which of course they never did---they stayed in their real home in Gaithersburg, Maryland, a suburb of Washington DC, where the Keyes family home was (in the year of the run for Senator) judged by the Baltimore Sun to be worth a million dollars---I know the area and would say that figure is low. This would be the same family home from which Keyes ejected his daughter when he found out she is a lesbian; he refused even to pay her college tuition.

Keyes is a radioactive candidate. Sane people cross the street when they see him coming.

But why am I telling you all this? I am a Democrat, so running Alan Keyes would only help my party. His candidacy anywhere represents the dark side of comic relief. He shows the absolute worst of the GOP.

Do Vampires Chat about Garlic?
Vile criticism by the left wing of Alan Keyes only emphasizes the point that Ambassador Keyes may indeed represent what America needs from a conservative candidate.

Otherwise, we are just voting for the abortionist who has performed the least number of abortions.

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It's the issues, stupid!
For everyone (conservatives, at least) who has negative things to say about Alan Keyes, please look at his stance on *all* the issues. You might be blown away at how much you agree.

(The ad hominem attacks of Democrats are tiresome. Learn how to think and debate -- or go back among your own kind.)

Also, for the record, Keyes declared the week after Thompson did. It only seems like Thompson has been running longer because of all the early speculation that he should. (In the interest of honesty, he would be my second choice among the current field.)

If Keyes is not the campaigner some of us would like him to be, I find that frustrating, but it does not make him any less qualified to get the country back on track.

Finally, I must admit I have not watched all the clips of the Keyes-Obama debates, but based on the short portion where Ambassador Keyes spoke about the war on terror, I find it hard to believe that Obama could have been much competition. I will have to go watch the debate(s) further.

ANN COULTER & RUSH LOSING LISTENER BASE!
ANN COULTER AND RUSH LIMBAUGH ARE BOTH LOSING THEIR LISTENER BASE. They both are an embarrassment to the Republican Party and Americas conservatives. They are becoming more and more out of touch with their conservative base every day. Perhaps they are connected among the political masons. Their ship is sinking and they have lost credibility. Their arrogance and pride precedes their fall.

The Shift in Momentum IS FOR PRESIDENT HUCKABEE in 2008

Mike Huckabee is presidential material and is alone able to defeat Hillary & Obama. I am now convinced that those wealthier donors to Romney's, Giuliani's, and Thompson's campaign have wasted their money and if they continue, are wasting their hard earned money on candidates who do not have voter appeal or substance. As a member of the younger generation, I will tell you point blank, Romney, Giuliani, and Thompson DO NOT connect with us.

ROMENY has run out of gas. He has been the worst investment money could buy. His persecution complex makes him so defensive, weepy and wimpy that he cracks under pressure. His fake, calculated tears make him look like a BIG weaning before now Czar Putin in mother Russia and rest of the world. Romneys negative campaigning reveals his unprofessional desperation and that he is really an unkind angry old man. BOTH Romney's and Giuliani's flip flop past makes them a liability and not an asset for republicans in 2008.

Every time Huckabee is heard his approval amongst Republicans and Democrats increases even WITHOUT major financial support. He is the Republican's secret weapon in the 2008 election. Huckabee's proven leadership can help bring America together as a team.

Huckabee is the BEST candidate because he not only attracts republicans but also democrats to his side without compromising his principles. Both side support is needed to win this election in 2008 and he has it.

WHY HUCKABEE WINS THE NOMINATION and the PRESIDENCY

http://evolutionfacts.townhall.com


ProfessorX -
I would take Rush Limbaugh over Mike Huckabee any day of any week.

Ebadger.
Then you would take a fat slob, fake conservative, arrogant, sterotype, hypocrit, backstabbing, double standard, lazy, greedy, oppressing betrayer over a true American.

I for one did listen to him at one time, as there is not much choice to hear some conservative talk, you either get Rush or Rush clones, which is the only real reason for his doing well.

Rush does not repressent most conservatives. The arrogant statments that Rush makes about being talent on loan from God, and always right and never wrong, among many other stupid things to say are disgusting to most conservatives who are generally pretty humble.

I would rather listen to nothing at all.

Again, the only reason for his doing well is that conservatives don't have or don't know of much of any other choice, it is either Rush or one of his many clones.

Ann Coulter is even more stupid because she even more so trys to appeal to social conservatives and Christian conservatives, then she insults them by attacking the cannidate that reflects their views. There is only two ways to look at it. Either she is sold out to the wall street republicans and fake conservatives, or she is just too stupid to have a career in politics. Which ever it is, this is going to hurt these fake conservatives just as much, and hopefully backfire in their face.

Romney Lashes Out at McCain

Why do NEOCONS think a tax cut without spending cuts is fiscally responsible?

NPR-With John McCain on vacation and Rudy Giuliani occupied elsewhere in the state, Mitt Romney sought this weekend to close the deal with New Hampshire Republicans who remain undecided about his presidential candidacy.

Romney fired away at McCain, repeatedly accusing the Arizona senator of failing “Reagan 101? by voting twice against Bush administration tax cuts. Romney also said McCain’s past support for allowing illegal immigrants to stay in the United States and work toward legal status amounted to amnesty.

National Debt Exploding under Bush (pushing $10 TRILLION!)

WATCH VIDEO

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/romney-lashes-out- at-mccain-in-nh


With Bhutto Dead How Does That Affect Us
The assassination of Benazir Bhutto has drawn a sharp focus on the importance of certain traits our next President must have in order to be good for the US. The savages have struck again, this time at a truly Populist leader in the world, in a cowardly act of murder. Do we want an open door to these killers?

I think any reasonable human being in the US would answer, 'No,' - not just answer, but shout it out. Then why are our borders still unprotected? And why do McCain, Huckabee and Giuliani remain so soft on protecting our borders? They are NOT the right people to become President in our next, most important Presidential election we've had in over 50 years.

The only ones I can see who could possibly handle what is coming, is either Romney, Thompson or one of the lesser known candidates on the Repub side (Keyes, Duncan). I pray for America that none of the three who are unfit for the Presidency, at this time, are nominated on the Republican side.

Alan Keyes...
...went to his site. I like what he says about illegal immigration but its not nearly specific enough. Not even close. DD

Professorx
I think you need to go back to school. Rush and Ann Coulter are not losing their base. You are just a Huckabee looser. One that has closed their mind to the truth, and has turned to fables.
Check out Huckabee. He is a liar. He has been caught so many times a weasels out of it one way or another. He either says well, he didn't understand the situation (illegal immigration, sodomy) he was taken out of context (bunker mentality) Someone wrote the line for him, (bunker mentality again)It wasn't on purpose (the floating cross) this stuff goes on and on.
I wouldn't have cared if he used the cross in his ad, but he lied about it. It was on purpose.

I watched him on a re run on O'Reilly last night. He slid around things he should have been stron on. Like when he was questioned about creation, and saying we didn't come from apes. He said well maybe God created the evolution, he didn't know.Not just a general evolution, but regarding the creation of man. SHAME ON HIM.!!
He is the worst kind of deceiver!!

Go to the site Phil Harris had to click on. I did. Alan Keyes has more truth in his little finger than Huckabee has in his whole body!!

Conservative candidates
Phil, I loved your article and your vivid descriptions. With regard to Alan Keyes, you are right on the money. It infuriates me that conservative mouthpieces have so much criticism for Huckabee's alleged liberal stances and Ron Paul's pacifism but ignore one of the only two true conservatives on stage Duncan Hunter and ALAN KEYES! If they are sooooo conservative they need to get out of lockstep with Romney and Giuliani and get behind their own consciences, then again maybe they are true to their consciences. And if Hannity was a true Catholic conservative, he would have a little FAITH and quit fearmongering about Hillary and stand behind Alan Keyes.

Thank you for letting me vent,
Dr. Mark Taylor
(by the way, I'm a white guy!)

I agree on Rush and Ann -
They arent't good at disingenous attacking - they should stick to attacking liberals, like Rudi Guiliani.

On this article though I can't believe Phil Harris is repeating the garbage racism claims laid against Ron Paul. The whole thing was such an obvious contrivance that Phil must have gotten it. The NY Times even did a retraction of their slime, and they usually have no problem mangling the truth.

Mr. Harris is so dead on on soo many conservative issues that it is sad that he must slander Ron Paul to make Alan Keyes look conservative.

Alan Keyes is conservative, that is not his problem. His problem is that his running seems to everyone as an ill-advised afterthought.

Ron Paul is mounting a legit grassroots revolution, and is conservative on every issue.

Harris is sounding like the right side of the Rush and Ann coin.

YellowGuy writes that ....
.... one may "argue about the "normalcy" of homosexuality until (one is) blue in the face" but no amount of argument makes sodomisexuality "right" nor yet makes it a "good thing."

Doesn't make it anything other than an abnormality, either.

Nor alter that it is surely the definitive derangement!

That much is Black and White.

As is the fact the last Republican candidate who shared Doctor Keyes character traits and impeccable moral integrity was Called President Ronald Wilson Reagan.

Keyes
Keyes actually announced his candidacy about the same time as Thompson. I like him. I don't know if he's electable, because he doesn't come off as polished (some would say slick) as some of the other candidates. But, what he says and what he stands for...OH YES!

My ticket is the one that you hear the least about.

Hunter/Keyes 08

Swampfox
He not only kicked her out, he refused to pay her college tuition. Many of us disagree with choices our grown children have made, but we still wish them capable of earning a living. As a responsible father, Keyes should have done what he could to equip his daughter, lesbian or not, to live in the world. As it happened, I read that her tuition was covered by a lesbian fund that exists just for that purpose---paying tuition for gay kids whose parents won't. If Keyes is that vindictive, punitive, and sadistic toward his own child, just think what he might be toward those in society he disagrees with, were he to hold public office.

lilly
Why do parents owe their children a college education? He probably DID equip his daughter to cope with life. It ain't always fair, and there's no free lunch. Nothing like a little tough love.

Spotlight
I am an Alan Keyes fan (I actually voted for him in 2000), but it should be noted that he hasn't faced the same type of scrutiny as the front-running candidates (in 2000 or this year); neither has Hunter, Paul, etc..

Until someone is considered a viable threat to win the nomination, he enjoys the luxury of flying under the radar and being taken at his word. Once someone is considered a viable threat, people start to look into records in office, personal history, etc. Only when he is under the microscope does a candidate become polarizing.

Just look at Huckabee. Only once he was considered viable did his record on taxes, spending and immigration come out.

My point is, that this late in the game we should be trying to choose between the viable candidates rather than constantly dreaming about the grass on the other side of the fence. Once we get a close-up look at that grass, we might not like what we see.

Keyes
I saw him debate, he comes off as completely looney. He may be able to put his ideas on paper but he can't communicate orally. I seriously doubt his sanity. And one more time, Romney is a liberal, across all aspects.

swamp animal, oh, you're foxy, I bet....

Where did you get that handle, not very becoming to you is it.

Yep, you gotta keep on doing your homo thing when ever the subject comes up. You must be really turned on or off, right. You gotta get out there and let everyone know you stand on your "rights" and aren't ashamed one little tiny bit are you.

Then why, if you are so sure of your "rights" are you so damn offensive or defensive about it. Apparently you are not very "comfortable" about your "condition" because if you were you'd shut up most of the time, and look for something else to talk about that the rest of us do care about.




Lilly and Alan Keyes' daughter
Lilly, I'm certain you think that Alan Keyes is a despicable martinet. However, there is another way of looking at it that I haven't seen in the posts.

He's a principled man who believes in his principles even when they're hard to uphold. It's not that he rejected his daughter. She rejected him and what he stands for and holds most dear.

She chose to be a homosexual. He was already a good Christian and a good husband and father.

Sometimes kids get into trouble and parents try to get them out of it. This is perfectly normal. I believe the error is expecting Alan Keyes to reject his own principles and affirm ideas and behavior he completely rejects.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Alan keyes

..Is one heck of a fine guy, swamp animals aside.

I think, as does the author of this column, that he, among all candidates, is the one closest to fulfilling all our many requirements other than being black faced and talking like a preacher I mean.

Oh, I see, if the preacher is white faced with yellow stripes down his back side then he's OK. Then I should go vote for, THE HUCKSTWER. Yea, and your grandmother too.

Seriously folks, Every time in the past I have "mentioned" Alan Keyes, it's like, WHO?? Are you nuts or what.

Tell you what Guys, Reagan liked him and plenty, and so do I. Would I rather a white guy.??. Yes. Would I think Alan could be president.??. Yes. Apparently some people think Barack Bin Laden Obama could/should be. I don't.


Okay
e'nuf already. Lily, as was mentioned above, the
girlie could've done what thousands of other kids have done, worked!!! Two of my sons joined the military to earn their education money. My youngest took time off and worked for his tuition.
And my adopted son..well we did the same thing as Dr. Keyes. He refused to follow house rules, was disruptive, you name it. When he was of age, he had a choice, follow house rules or leave. He was living a hidden homosexual life, told us after he'd left. We used tough love for 20 years, he's repented, and has left that life,
we aren't so naive as to believe he won't struggle because it's a difficult addiction ot overcome, but he spent his first Christmas with
us, his family in 20 years this year. And I believe Dr. Keyes is doing the right thing, we refused to love our son into Hell and he's doing the same.
Mrs. Paddy..your dream team is also mine. Dr. Keyes would blow Hitliary out of the water with his no prisoners oratory. No one can match him
when it comes to that.

If you like slobber and puke talk vote..

.....for Huckster. He's all talk and his actions are totally contrary to what he WANTS YOU TO THINK.

Damn, talk about a flip flopper. This guy invented the term, except that he's disingenuous and doesn't mean even the first word of what he says.

PROFESSOR XXX..

If you like slobber and puke talk vote..

.....for Huckster. He's all talk and his actions are totally contrary to what he WANTS YOU TO THINK.

Damn, talk about a flip flopper. This guy invented the term, except that he's disingenuous and doesn't mean even the first word of what he says.

PROFESSOR XXX..

If you like slobber and puke talk vote..

.....for Huckster. He's all talk and his actions are totally contrary to what he WANTS YOU TO THINK.

Damn, talk about a flip flopper. This guy invented the term, except that he's disingenuous and doesn't mean even the first word of what he says.

PROFESSOR XXX..

If you like slobber and puke talk vote..

.....for Huckster. He's all talk and his actions are totally contrary to what he WANTS YOU TO THINK.

Damn, talk about a flip flopper. This guy invented the term, except that he's disingenuous and doesn't mean even the first word of what he says.

PROFESSOR XXX..

If you like slobber and puke talk vote..

.....for Huckster. He's all talk and his actions are totally contrary to what he WANTS YOU TO THINK.

Damn, talk about a flip flopper. This guy invented the term, except that he's disingenuous and doesn't mean even the first word of what he says.

PROFESSOR XXX..

If you like slobber and puke talk vote..

.....for Huckster. He's all talk and his actions are totally contrary to what he WANTS YOU TO THINK.

Damn, talk about a flip flopper. This guy invented the term, except that he's disingenuous and doesn't mean even the first word of what he says.

PROFESSOR XXX..

If you like slobber and puke talk vote..

.....for Huckster. He's all talk and his actions are totally contrary to what he WANTS YOU TO THINK.

Damn, talk about a flip flopper. This guy invented the term, except that he's disingenuous and doesn't mean even the first word of what he says.

PROFESSOR XXX..

If you like slobber and puke talk vote..

.....for Huckster. He's all talk and his actions are totally contrary to what he WANTS YOU TO THINK.

Damn, talk about a flip flopper. This guy invented the term, except that he's disingenuous and doesn't mean even the first word of what he says.

PROFESSOR XXX..

If you like slobber and puke talk vote..

.....for Huckster. He's all talk and his actions are totally contrary to what he WANTS YOU TO THINK.

Damn, talk about a flip flopper. This guy invented the term, except that he's disingenuous and doesn't mean even the first word of what he says.

PROFESSOR XXX..

If you like slobber and puke talk vote..

.....for Huckster. He's all talk and his actions are totally contrary to what he WANTS YOU TO THINK.

Damn, talk about a flip flopper. This guy invented the term, except that he's disingenuous and doesn't mean even the first word of what he says.

PROFESSOR XXX..

If you like slobber and puke talk vote..

.....for Huckster. He's all talk and his actions are totally contrary to what he WANTS YOU TO THINK.

Damn, talk about a flip flopper. This guy invented the term, except that he's disingenuous and doesn't mean even the first word of what he says.

PROFESSOR XXX..

If you like slobber and puke talk vote..

.....for Huckster. He's all talk and his actions are totally contrary to what he WANTS YOU TO THINK.

Damn, talk about a flip flopper. This guy invented the term, except that he's disingenuous and doesn't mean even the first word of what he says.

PROFESSOR XXX..

If you like slobber and puke talk vote..

.....for Huckster. He's all talk and his actions are totally contrary to what he WANTS YOU TO THINK.(what he says and what he really is)

Damn, talk about a flip flopper. This guy invented the term, except that he's disingenuous and doesn't mean even the first word of what he says.

PROFESSOR XXX.., YOU SAY YOU ARE YOUNG. WELL THE YOUNG ARE THE EASIEST TO SCAM. Have you fallen in love recently.??.

Smart but no experience and common sense. Educated but don't know anything. An education is what prepares you to learn. It teaches you how to learn. It does not teach you what is and what isn't.

You therefor are welcome to spout off about truth and lies, but understand one teeny tiny thing. You don't know beans.



Hey, now guys, I don't know what kind ..


of bug got into the system, but I didn't send those UMPTEEN repeats.

I got another column about the same number of times, like ten, on Santa Claus by Larry elder. It just came bombing end on top of what I was doing.

So my apologies for the "SYSTEM FAILURE".

Is it April Fools day.?????????.

reply to Jack
So let's get this straight. Keyes's daughter "chose to be a homosexual" just so she could be despised and rejected by her own father. How, precisly, do you KNOW that homosexuality is a matter of "choice?" What did this girl do? If you're correct, she must have sat down one day, thought about life, and came to the conclusion. "Wow! I'm going to become a lesbian! What fun! Getting hated by Christians, rejected by my father, and generally despised by the majority of people I meet. Sounds great! Where do I sign up?"

Is that what you think?

Swampfox
Onceamarine: Where did you get that handle (Swampfox), not very becoming to you is it.

Swampfox: I am always amazed at the number of people who have never heard of Francis Marion, the Swampfox. I will let you go to Google to find out who he was.

BTW, there are a number of other reasons that he should not be considered for President. One that he hasn't been elected to any office.

How people treat their families...
Generally, if a parent is more comfortable with kicking their kids out of the house rather than coming to terms with their 'differences'... it isn't someone I'd want to vote for as President. Somebody else can vote for Alan Keyes & Giuliani if it pleases them. I'm voting for Ron Paul! So what if Paul voters don't want to vote for Keyes or Lieberman, we might vote for Obama in a pinch as he isn't quite as fanatical about 'mandatory' healthcare insurance as Hillary Clinton is. He would be a more expensive President than Paul so Ron Paul remains my first choice for President!

Why would Ron Paul voters necessarily abstain from voting for Keyes, Lieberman or Obama other than the fact that we like Paul's stands on the issues better? Must everything deteriorate into a whine because another group of voters prefers someone other than your favorite candidates?

swamp buddy

Yes sir ree bob. We do know about the swamp fox, Francis Marion. Had not heard that he was "gay".

That's why I said, not very becoming to/of you.

Really guy, don't you think we should hear something from you besides your proclivities.??.

Probably some or one of my old buddies is a "gay guy", but I really don't want to hear about it.

Most gays understand that. The closet is an excellent place to keep proclivities. Out of sight, out of mind. Not on my mind, well then, it's not a problem. Stick it in my face and you're sure to get a reaction. One that neither of us wants.

Why can't our gay guys understand that simple but powerful secret. Shhhhhh.....

Besides it's good for society in general. Maybe you think the pope should be shot, too. Keep it to yourself and act on it alone. Don't expect any sympathy from the rest of us.

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............. uuut up about it already.

Or take it to the swamps which is maybe where it'll be appreciated.


Just too easy (PART I)
“Gosh, I wonder why Harris forgot to mention that when Keyes ran against Obama, Keyes got only 27% of the vote compared with Obama's 70%. Possibly this outcome had something to do with Keyes being a lying fool.”
Hmmm….I wonder why lilly forgot to mention that Mr. Keyes joined in the campaign with only 86 days until election day. 86 DAYS! Considering obama had more than 730 days to prepare, I find it a bit disappointing that obama didn’t do better. And a bit telling of the man behind the mask obama, a poor campaigner. And it proves out in today’s race. Obama-girl should have slammed this election by 90%. In fact, I recall that the media in Chicago was surprised how well Keyes did against obama in such a short time frame. Oh, and just so everyone knows, Mr. Keyes was asked by the Illinois GOP to run since the candidate, Jack Ryan, was involved with a sex scandal and had to drop out so late in the race, instantly securing the win for obama. Prior to that, polls were too close to tell who would win.

“Possibly this outcome had something to do with Keyes being a lying fool. People absolutely hate him.” Not true- YOU hate him. Do not project your hatred onto other people to try to get them to “share” your obvious hatred. You get to share that burden all by yourself since you are stating it. Then you go on to explain why “people” hate him.

To onceamarine
Good day to you too. I guess that if one of your buddies confided to you that you beat the holy beejesus out of him. Nice thought for the day. I guess that we can deduce from all this that you think that Alica Keyes should have just remained in in the closet while her father rants on and on about his dislike of gays/lesbians.

Just too easy (PART II)
In reference to: lilly writes Wednesday, December, 26, 2007 11:37 PM

I have to paraphrase here at the 10,000 foot level since you go off on a tangent ..

“…(Devon Ave, Chicago, Campaign – Chicago’s Indian/Pakistani community)…” “…the assembled public despised Keyes and was so threatening to him that he had to take refuge in his car...” First, Chicago is a highly DEMOCRAT/LIBERAL/LIBERAL EXTREMIST city (over 75%), so of course people are going to attack the CONSERVATIVE candidate. That’s all Democrats and Liberals know how to do is attack Republicans in packs or physically. Seriously, you guys start the most riots and fights I have ever seen. ESPECIALLY IN CHICAGO OVER THE PAST 4 YEARS. TRUTH. Thanks for the uncontrollable mobs marching throughout Chicago WITHOUT A PERMIT and going into both residential and business districts hurting people and business and damaging property. Takes a person of real class and integrity to do that.

And Devon Ave is not just small street – it spans many neighborhoods – Latino, Polish, Eastern European. And the Indian/Pakistani one is just one, very small, community. And I would be ashamed if anyone from my neighborhood was getting violent on a democratic candidate EVER. Not something anyone should be proud to boast about. Again, lilly, you and your kind, what class.

The rest of your post is just dribble and gibberish. You want to condemn Mr. Keyes for owning a property worth over a million dollars? I guess he must be the only person to own something at that price range. Interesting, here in Chicago, many properties are worth over a million. And I assume you were trying to compare how all democrats live in cheaper, lesser known areas? You know, Democrats are all about saving money for the public good. Oh, wait, I get it – you must have something against a successful black man – one that has worked long and hard to earn what he has.


Just too easy (PART II)
In reference to: lilly writes Wednesday, December, 26, 2007 11:37 PM

I have to paraphrase here at the 10,000 foot level since you go off on a tangent ..

“…(Devon Ave, Chicago, Campaign – Chicago’s Indian/Pakistani community)…” “…the assembled public despised Keyes and was so threatening to him that he had to take refuge in his car...” First, Chicago is a highly DEMOCRAT/LIBERAL/LIBERAL EXTREMIST city (over 75%), so of course people are going to attack the CONSERVATIVE candidate. That’s all Democrats and Liberals know how to do is attack Republicans in packs or physically. Seriously, you guys start the most riots and fights I have ever seen. ESPECIALLY IN CHICAGO OVER THE PAST 4 YEARS. TRUTH. Thanks for the uncontrollable mobs marching throughout Chicago WITHOUT A PERMIT and going into both residential and business districts hurting people and business and damaging property. Takes a person of real class and integrity to do that.

And Devon Ave is not just small street – it spans many neighborhoods – Latino, Polish, Eastern European. And the Indian/Pakistani one is just one, very small, community. And I would be ashamed if anyone from my neighborhood was getting violent on a democratic candidate EVER. Not something anyone should be proud to boast about. Again, lilly, you and your kind, what class.

The rest of your post is just dribble and gibberish. You want to condemn Mr. Keyes for owning a property worth over a million dollars? I guess he must be the only person to own something at that price range. Interesting, here in Chicago, many properties are worth over a million. And I assume you were trying to compare how all democrats live in cheaper, lesser known areas? You know, Democrats are all about saving money for the public good. Oh, wait, I get it – you must have something against a successful black man – one that has worked long and hard to earn what he has.

To onceamarine
Catch your breath and answer this simple question, do you really think that Keyes is electable?

Reply
Per Swampfox "Catch your breath and answer this simple question, do you really think that Keyes is electable?"

I know you sent this to oncemarine, but as a Conservative, I thought I might answer it. I just need to make one clarification - you asked if he was "electable" but did not stipulate as in ever electable or electable in this Presidential race. I assume the latter.

No, he is not electable in this Presidential race. I think he is a darn good candidate, but I think yet again he stepped to the plate just a tad bit late.

Listen to the demons squeal...
...at the mere mention of Keyes! Great article Phil. Keyes is God's providence handed to us on a silver platter.

Sorry, demons - in the end, TRUTH WINS!

Mitt
Thank You RK.....perfectly stated.....now, are they listening?

Swamp

No, I wouldn't even say anything untoward to my friend or yours unless of course they started in trying to convince me about there game. It's not something to stick in peoples faces, yours or theirs. That's what I have already told you.

Now as to the other fox, Alan Keyes and the presidency, I doubt that he could ever be president. Some in the audience will always think he is as weird as others think Huckster is. They both have that preacher's style of talking except one is black and sounds black, but his mind is an excellent trap of good home cooked values.

However, daughters to one side please, Alan Keyes, in my opinion, is head and shoulders above the Huckster in his conservativeness and his values.

Now surely you have some values that outweigh his daughter's problem. Your values don't rise and fall on one issue do they.??. You know, don't you, that most people who are aware of your peculiar proclivities are nice to you out of their civilized nature and not their real nature, don't you(sic). Scratch any civilized man and you will find a very different person underneath that skin or veneer of civilization. Shhhhhhh.......

You know, doing a friend you met some place who is of the same sex is quite a lot like doing the neighbors wife. Keep it to yourself and hope she does too. Not something you go around proclaiming as your God given right to make somebodies housewife happy. And neither one is, just your right. They are both wrong no matter how often practiced nor by whom.


Alan Keys daughter was born gay...
She is an honor student who has never been in trouble. A compassionate and articulate young lady with great potential who happens to have been born a Lesbian.

Because of this, Allen Keys threw his baby daughter out into the streets like a bag of trash and has disowned her.

Family values indeed.

And you people want this slimebag to run for President?

Allen Keyes is a pathetic joke of a man. I have no problem watching this glutton for humilation make a fool out of himself again - Obama wipes his a** with him in the last election - but to hear people actually efned his actions regarding his daughter makes m,y skin crawl.

Right wing homophobes are just about the creepiest people I can think of. You are certainly no different than the luny Muslims we are fighting in the middle east...

oncemarine
it's helarious that gay men frighten you so much - you sissy.

Just so ya know - my relationship with my partner is just as valid and important as any you will ever have in your entire lifetime.

And if you had a "problem" with me holding his hand or kissing him in your presence like straight folks openely do in mine - I would LOVE for you to walk up and give me your "reaction".

I've kicked more than my share of bigoted, homophobic a** in my life. It would be a pleasure to see the shocked look on your face as I knock your teeth out.

response to onceamarine
Onceamarine: "Now surely you have some values that outweigh his daughter's problem. Your values don't rise and fall on one issue do they.??. You know, don't you, that most people who are aware of your peculiar proclivities are nice to you out of their civilized nature and not their real nature, don't you(sic). Scratch any civilized man and you will find a very different person underneath that skin or veneer of civilization. Shhhhhhh......."

Swampfox: If you would have read my posts, I vote on issues such as national defense and illegal immigration, not the gay issue. I want a strong national defense and want a stop to illegal immigration. Right now I will be voting for Thompson in the South Carolina primary. Its sad that you think that beneath everyone's veneer of civilized skin is a irrational homophobe.

Allen
Blue lint tends to collect with blue lint. You and Obama, the champion of infanticide along with his queen, are perfect for one another. Quite the picture... pairs of men, lying all around the Obama throne, which is upholsteredd with the skins of the unwanted children.

Yep.

Keyes daughter
Keyes' daughter was not born a lesbian. She made a choice to be a lesbian and chose to go against her father's principles. Homosexuals are not "born" that way. They are indoctrinated into homosexuality. God would not condemn someone who has a condition they are born with. If those poor people in Sodom and Gomorrah were born to be homosexuals, do you think God would have destroyed them? I don't think so! Or, Allen, maybe you think God doesn't even exists. Certainly you're not familiar with His word! As for the Devon Ave. riffraff, they were probably hired by the Obama bunch to "demonstrate" like the lowlifers they are. That seems to be the way to go these days: outshout, hurl mud, throw pies, etc. Anything but see or tell the truth!

To YellowGuy
YellowGuy, it is rather simple --- abortion is a choice, being homosexual isn't.

Right now I am listening to Laura Ingraham as the guest host of "The Factor". She changed her opinion of gays/lesbians when her brother came out to her.

To Matlock
Therefore, you think that Keyes and Cheney failed in parenting their children? Interesting. Just how were they indoctrinated? Cheney accepted his daughter. Keyes condemned Cheney's daughter as a hedonist. According to Alicia Keyes, her father kicked her out of "his" home and refuses to even speak to her.

Were you there at the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? According to the Bible, the poor fellow that escaped had his wife turn into a pillar of salt. Then his two daughters got him drunk and slept with him. Nice story.

Swamp
Laura Ingraham shows an utter lack of conviction then... How does finding out about one's own brother change anything? It does not, except it forces the individual to stand on their convictions or surrender.

I don't subscribe to hating homosexuals. I don't subscribe to "not loving" one's sibling or son or daughter who declares their homosexuality. But loving a person does not have to include condoning the behavior/choice/affliction or whatever. Unconditional love, does not have to include unconditional support for whatever it is.

There are all sorts of analogies one could make, but doing so is always a waste of time.

.

yellowguy
uh, you're a very strange fellow - no wonder you're an Allen Keys fan.

To YellowGuy
If you don't like Laura Ingraham's lack of conviction, I would suggest that you read what she has to say about her lack of conviction on the issue. You can go to Google and do a little research. When she was an undergraduate at Dartmouth she very vocal calling the gays on campus Sodomites.

Now, what do you think about Dick Cheney's acceptance of his daughter?

matlock
If you honestly believe that people are "indoctrinated" into homosexuality, then you are about as smart as a box of sh*t.

I suppose it is perfectly reasonable to assume that you could "become" a homosexual yourself, eh? Right....

As far as God is concerned - your faith is irrellevant so it's silly for you to bring it up. America is a free country blessedly bereft of religious tyrrany. A remarkable woman was just assasinated in Pakistan for having the audacity to wish for that very thing.


There are creeps who aren't worth......

....any bodies time of day. One just showed up here way out of his stomping grounds carrying on like the puss he is. Come on down big girl and we'll see who the siss is. Bag of excrement put together in semi human form. Sodom and Gomorrah had nothing on the trash we see here occasionally looking like he wants a fight. Stop me, stop me, or I am gonna kill him. Please stop me I really will kill him. Puss.

Swamp Fox:
You see the crapola we have to put up with from some of the "leaguers". Now I know instinctively you are a very different kind of guy which is why I have carried on a sort of conversation with you. I have seen your posts on other matters of a political nature and they are very reasoned posts.

And as I did say, in all likelihood I may have a friend or two who are "special" that way. But since the age of 13 none has owned up or spoken out so who knows. Heck, I have a son who has never married and lives with mom. I do not believe he is gay, but who would know, not I. I know he goes out with women and I know he has male friends too.

He and I have never had a good conversation on the subject, but when I sort of hinted in that direction once, he quickly told me, NO way.

Reagan's daughter as well as McCains daughter if I remember are gay. I don't know if it comes naturally or through choice. Probably both kinds of cases exist. But why get up in arms about it. I don't. This is the first time I have even discussed it publically and right away some jerk shows up to unravel things.

I still say there is no need to make a public issue of a very private matter. Some approve and many disapprove. Great. There are about 3 to 4% of men and 5 to 6% of women who are considered as gay. Big deal. Keep it under wraps. The problems start when gay people get brash and look for a fight they're gonna lose and badly.


You people should be ashamed....
Alan Keyes, a man of supposedely deep religious conviction and a champion of "family values" threw his beautiful daughter out on the streets for being born a homosexual.

Only a thoughtless, indecent pig could do such a a thing to their own child and you people are actually defending his actions.

You vile, nasty hypocrates have absolutely no moral authority to discuss what is right or wrong when you condone this unimaginable behavior.

Alan Keyes is a sad and pathetic little man steered by hatred. He has inflicted unimaginable pain on his own baby daughter. It's disgusting, -and one of the many reasons why he has become such a public joke.

What it takes to be a conservative
If you're a real conservative, you've just gotta be ready, willing, and able to throw that evil gay kid of yours away like yesterday's trash, because that's all gay people are, right? The Bible told you so, I guess. Just so we've got straight exactly what kind of people you are. I sure as H*** don't want my daughters to marry any conservatives.

To onceamarine
No one really knows what the percentage of the population happens to be homosexual. I have never heard that Reagan's daughter or one of McCain's daughter might be gay. I remember that there was speculation that Reagan's son was homosexual. If your son is gay, please remember it is nothing you did. And, no one chooses to be gay. No one wakes up one day and says, thank God, I am gay. It is just something that we have to deal with in our lives in world geared to heterosexuals ............ the "normal" folks.

I will tell you that I have not "come out" to my high school or college friends. But, I think they know. One high school friend had a cute story to tell when he was in college. He was laughing and said that one time at the University of South Carolina he just turned around and punched out a gay guy. I just fell silent. Perhaps you might say it was a lapse of integrity.

A lapse of my integrity!
When I failed to speak up............ I fear, it was a lapse of my integrity.

Dishonest but Gay
Wow folks... Keyes' "baby" daughter was 19 years old. I think she can "probably" figure out how to "survive" without daddy's allowance, and she can "probably" work for her college tuition, just like my kids have to.

Just google: Alan Keyes Gay Daughter, look at the pile of worm-infested search results you get back.

I just got done reading one... the headline said: Somebody Shoot Alan Keyes... Please.

Yeah, that is gay alright.

One of the commenters on that one described what he wanted to have done to his backside by a "hot fireman".

What a lovely "F-Work Encrusted" community you happy folks have built on the Internet. You should be absolutely proud of yourselves.





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Gestell
Gestell: "I sure as H*** don't want my daughters to marry any conservatives."

Wow. You really ARE full of hate, arent you? Let's do a little exercise.

"I sure as H*** don't want my daughters to marry any blacks."

"I sure as H*** don't want my daughters to marry any Chinese."

"I sure as H*** don't want my daughters to marry any people-who-arent-like-ME."

Now, Gestell, you simple-minded moron, how do you THINK you sound???? Completely ILLiberal. As always.

To Just Too Easy
No, I don't condemn Alan Keyes for living in a Maryland property worth a million dollars. I condemn him for lying and saying he was moving to a slum property in Chicago (which declaration he made while campaigning to be Illinois Senator). At no time did he occupy the tumbledown wreck of a house that was announced as his new home. Everybody understood that this was a pure PR move.

To JimmyJoe/YellowGuy
Yep, at 19 she was kicked out Keyes' house. She told the family that she was a lesbian......... Alan showed her the door. I am sure that she is making a living, paying her own way through college. I guess that you just don't want her to tell her story? Should she remain silent? YellowGuy, a gay marine saved Gerald Ford's life in San Francisco back in 1975. Can you tell me of anyone who was murdered by a gay activist?

religious tryanny
Wow! Since when does even mentioning the word "God" make one a religious tyrant? Oh, I know...if you can't come up with a logical explanation about something or someone, you attack it. What a diabolical twist that is. And Swampfox, no, I don't think Cheney and Keyes failed their children. Can you read? Their "children" (both are adults)failed them! As for indoctrination into homosexuality...pick your own terminology: exposed to, taught, imbued, chosen preference, etc. Make your sick excuses if you will, but people are not born that way. It is a chosen lifestyle, like it or not!

Swamp
I would fight to save your life, and I don't agree with your lifestyle choice. As a fellow human being, you are not defined by your "gayness". That is ultimately something you will need to reconcile with your Creator, same as me.

I also will not stand idle and have my sons/daughters indoctrinated with false or contrived science, and if my convictions are such on any subject that I deem to be destructive to the household, if my children are engaged in it, and they are of sufficient age to make do, they know where the door is.

You live by my rules in my home, or you make your own home where you can live by your rules. Love, or the withdrawl of love has nothing to do with it.

.

religious tryanny
Wow! Since when does even mentioning God make one a religious tryant! What a diabolical twist that is, Allen. If you can't come up with a logical, rational explanation for something/someone, attack it, huh? I didn't mention my faith, by the way. As for indoctrination into homosexuality, choose your own terminology: taught, exposed to, chosen sexual preference, etc. One thing's for sure...it is a chosen lifestyle. And Swampfox, can you read? Of course I don't think Cheney and Keyes failed as parents. Their "children" (both are adults)failed them.

lilly might be right
lilly writes: Wednesday, December, 26, 2007 11:37 PM
Keyes
Gosh, I wonder why Harris forgot to mention that when Keyes ran against Obama, Keyes got only 27% of the vote compared with Obama's 70%. Possibly this outcome had something to do with Keyes being a lying fool. People absolutely hate him.
______________________________________________

Who can argue with lilly's esp? She might be right. However, the explanation is much more likely that no one knew him--he did not have time to sell his conservatism.

Gestell, here is what we know
Gestell writes: Thursday, December, 27, 2007 3:31 PM
reply to Jack
So let's get this straight. Keyes's daughter "chose to be a homosexual" just so she could be despised and rejected by her own father. How, precisly, do you KNOW that homosexuality is a matter of "choice?" What did this girl do? If you're correct, she must have sat down one day, thought about life, and came to the conclusion. "Wow! I'm going to become a lesbian! What fun! Getting hated by Christians, rejected by my father, and generally despised by the majority of people I meet. Sounds great! Where do I sign up?"

Is that what you think?
_____________________________________________

What we know about homosexuals is that the dynamic of a male picking up a male or a female picking up a female, for sex, is apparently much easier, or at least used to be much easier--I say that because now the whore competition on university campuses is fierce and it may be just as easy for a male to pick up a female for sex these days.

So the Keyes girl and any other homosexual probably did it for the ease of having sex, maybe combined with some inhibition in approaching the opposite sex, not necessarily consciously. And, of course, sex beats obeying father, or in the case of Christians, obeying the Ten Commandments.

Swamp, the figure is 118.35%
Swampfox writes: Thursday, December, 27, 2007 10:15 PM
To onceamarine
No one really knows what the percentage of the population happens to be homosexual.
___________________________________________

Whaddya mean, no one really knows? Saint Alfred Kinsey did meticulous, methodical research on the subject and determined that the percentage of the population that is homosexual was 118.35%, yes, one hundred and eighteen percent and thirty-five hundredths!!! EVERYONE IS A HOMOSEXUAL, SOME OUT, SOME SUPPRESSED, SOME CONVERTED--that is, through conversion therapy, but still homosexuals. Everyone: Abe Lincoln, Rock Hudson, Jerome Schmakelbratz, Irene Smith, Tab Hunter, Nikolai Kruschev, Dalai Lama, Rosie O'Donnel, Eleanor Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Frank Blatergutz, John F. Kennedy, Teddy "The Swimmer" Kennedy, Teddy Roosevelt, Oscar Mayer, Mohammed, Jacques Chirac, Madelyn Murray O'Hare, Cary Grant, Omar Bradley, everybody and more!!!

Allen, the Keyes girl chose sterility
Allen writes: Thursday, December, 27, 2007 6:47 PM
Alan Keys daughter was born gay...
She is an honor student who has never been in trouble. A compassionate and articulate young lady with great potential who happens to have been born a Lesbian.
______________________________________________

No, she is someone who decided that sex with another girl or woman was easier than sex with a male, which is the purpose for which God, or evolution if you prefer, created her genitals.

She preferred the homosexual sterility to the heterosexual fertility--and don't bother telling me that not all heterosexuals are fertile, it doesn't defeat this point.

Allen, we are frightened of the...
Allen writes: Thursday, December, 27, 2007 6:54 PM
oncemarine
it's helarious that gay men frighten you so much - you sissy.
_______________________________________________

No one we know is frightened of the sterile homosexuals: Rather, we are frightened of the disease they spread, the social cost, the public perversions, the proselytizing of children. But not so frightened of these things that we are not working hard to stop them.

Swamp, who cares what Laura...
Swampfox writes: Thursday, December, 27, 2007 9:00 PM
To YellowGuy
YellowGuy, it is rather simple --- abortion is a choice, being homosexual isn't.

Right now I am listening to Laura Ingraham as the guest host of "The Factor". She changed her opinion of gays/lesbians when her brother came out to her.
_____________________________________________

...Ingram thinks about homosexuals?

So who says that Laura Ingram is always right?

Because she changed her opinion about homosexuals that makes the homosexual sterility/perversions/proselytizing/parades ok?

Luis is talent scout
bet ya ten smackers!

swamp fox part 1 of 2000 plus words

It's interesting what I've learned in Mexico. I know all of Latin America since many decades ago. but it wasn't tell I came to spend some time in Mexico that I met gays who are not aggressive with their attitude about it.

I slowly came to more or less accept female gays, lesbians is the term. I get along with them fairly well in Mexico and over a period of years began to at least accept a passing friendliness with some gay guys. That has been an up hill job, but I can at least smile and make small talk with some. Believe me, in the U.S. it's a much more difficult world for gays than in Latin America, particularly Mexico. But our gays are way too aggressive. Down here they are not, as far as I can tell. Now that goes a long way towards tolerance even though contrived, and believe you me they make a lot of jokes about gays here. They are not considered very manly and are constantly joked about and yet at the same time there's a kind of tolerance.

I revert to my original remarks. Tolerance is a tolerance does. If gays and lesbians will cool it, they will get a lot farther down the road to acceptance as something that is, but is not totally acceptable. Shouldn't be hard to understand. if something like 95% of people are of a normal, opposites attract, impulse, born with it as you would say, then the other 5% shouldn't be at all surprised that they, the 5% are considered weird or rejected by the 95%. Let's face it. Sex is one of the most basic of human emotions so the few should not try to lord it over the many who feel any repulsion towards the acts of the few.


swamp fox part 2 of 2000 plus
It is a "natural" "repulsion" to the same extent that the attraction of same sex is "natural" or a "compulsion" to those who have that instinct. Those who are outside the norm should have more respect for their fellow citizens of this world and realize their natural disadvantage and live with it; silently I believe would be better for all of us.

It was silent for eons before now. Is it really necessary to push and shove and teach children that it's normal. It's only normal for some people and for others it's an aberration. Give it some thought. There is a fine line there someplace. Let's keep that in mind for everyone's good.


swampfox
What's your prob? I made no comment whatSOEVER regarding Miss Keyes.

So how do you get THIS from my NON-comment???

swampfox: "I guess that you just don't want her to tell her story?"

It is a matter of complete INDIFFence to me.

Samampfox: "Should she remain silent?"

I dont give a dang either way. Live and let live etc.

What I DONT do is "condemn" ALL in sundry. For the views of a FEW. This and this ONLY is the point I was making to Gestell.

So again I ask: Any prob with that????

If not, then withdraw your question with its false underlying assumptions.

reply to Jimmy Joe
I don't have a problem with hate. As a conservative, you shouldn't either. Hatred is fine, if directed at an appropriate target.

You've learned from leftwing half-wits how to do the fashionable "substitution ploy," in a feeble effort at counter-argument.

I gave reasons why I don't want my daughters to marry conservatives. People who have no problem in throwing their own kids away are beneath contempt--well, actually, they are quite contemptible, as I tried to make clear.

Do you disagree with my reasons, or do you support the idea that it's ok for parents to kick out their own kids on the basis of sexual orientation? If you agree with me, that's cool, and maybe you['re not a right-wing scum bag; if you disagree, then I feel sorry for everyone in your family who has to associate with you.

Gestell
Your original post:

Gestell: "If you're a real conservative, you've just gotta be ready, willing, and able to throw that evil gay kid of yours away like yesterday's trash, because that's all gay people are, right?"

This is your usual flat out wrong and false generalization. Doesnt warrant comment.

Gestell: "The Bible told you so, I guess. Just so we've got straight exactly what kind of people you are."

Again, ditto.

Gestell: "I sure as H*** don't want my daughters to marry any conservatives."

This is the ONLY comment you made with which I took issue... as you KNOW. But you are being deliberately obtuse. You are not stupid. My reply to your original post is only a short scroll up.

Gestell
Your Last post.

Gestell: "I don't have a problem with hate."

Sorry, but from what you have POSTED, I respectfully disagree wht you. You have a SERIOUS "hate" problem because how OTHERwise could you have posted:

Gestell: ""I sure as H*** don't want my daughters to marry ANY conservatives."

I capitalized the key word here. "ANY." Based on WHAT, precisely??? And if this IS how you feel about "conservatives" - then what the heck are you doing posting on a conservative site on a continuous basis?

Gestell: "You've learned from leftwing half-wits how to do the fashionable "substitution ploy," in a feeble effort at counter-argument."

Go on and explain to me how you see me adopting the "substitution ploy" fashionable with the "leftwing half-wits". PLEASE. Or withdraw this comment.

reply to Jimmy Joe
We're using the expression "problem with hate" in incompatible ways. I'm using it to mean: "I don't think that "hate" is necessarily wrong or inappropriate; there are some things that I believe are wrong enough to warrant hate."

You're using the phrase to mean some sort of obsession with hate.

As for what the "substitution ploy" means, you surely get this. Take some sentence and substitute the word "black" for instance, and (supposely) you have scored a serious point against your target. That's precisely what you did when you substituted "black" for "conservative." in my original sentence.

This is a cheap shot invented by people on the left that has clerly been picked up by people on the Right.

Now back to my original point: I would not want my daughters to marry conservatives. Most of the things most conservatives appear to believe seem to me to be actually or potentially harmful to the interests and well-being of my kids as parnters in a marriage. The common conservative opinion of gays is wrong, period. If you guys use the Bible to back up your prejudices, that's wrong too.

Consider. What would you really say and do if your great-aunt Gertrude or your nephew Phineas came out to you? From what you say I have to assume you'd throw them out of your family. Right?

reply to Jimmy Joe
We're using the expression "problem with hate" in incompatible ways. I'm using it to mean: "I don't think that "hate" is necessarily wrong or inappropriate; there are some things that I believe are wrong enough to warrant hate."

You're using the phrase to mean some sort of obsession with hate.

As for what the "substitution ploy" means, you surely get this. Take some sentence and substitute the word "black" for instance, and (supposely) you have scored a serious point against your target. That's precisely what you did when you substituted "black" for "conservative." in my original sentence.

This is a cheap shot invented by people on the left that has clerly been picked up by people on the Right.

Now back to my original point: I would not want my daughters to marry conservatives. Most of the things most conservatives appear to believe seem to me to be actually or potentially harmful to the interests and well-being of my kids as parnters in a marriage. The common conservative opinion of gays is wrong, period. If you guys use the Bible to back up your prejudices, that's wrong too.

Consider. What would you really say and do if your great-aunt Gertrude or your nephew Phineas came out to you? From what you say I have to assume you'd throw them out of your family. Right?

Gestell
Your last post continued:

Gestell: "I gave reasons why I don't want my daughters to marry conservatives."

You did NOT. You made a false generalization about conservatives - in GENERAL - based on the PERCEIVED actions of ONE conservative in PARTICULAR. Jezzzz. As you should KNOW. This is SO old.

Gestell: "People who have no problem in throwing their own kids away are beneath contempt--well, actually, they are quite contemptible, as I tried to make clear."

True, but NOT the issue between US... as you no doubt KNOW. I havent taken issue with this at ALL. Merely your prejudice against "conservatives".

Gestell: "Do you disagree with my reasons, or do you support the idea that it's ok for parents to kick out their own kids on the basis of sexual orientation?"

This is mindless. I take issue with your FALSE generalization. Not with this. As you KNOW. So it isnt an "either/or." Let me oput it as simply as I can. So you cant proceed any further to distort the point I am making.

One. I do not think parents should "kick out" their kids on the basis of "sexual orientation." Duh.

Two. I do not think YOU should be SO prejudiced as to write this sentence:

Gestell: "I sure as H*** don't want my daughters to marry ANY conservatives."

... For "ANY" reason???

Gestell
The "last post" I referred to previously obviously referred to your post at 3.15. Didnt realse you were still posting... I continue to reply to it here...

Gestell: "If you agree with me, that's cool, and maybe you're not a right-wing scum bag;"

Imagine that. IF I "agree" with you I MIGHT not be a "right-wing scumbag"???? LOL! True liberalism I see! How about if I DISagree with you and am NOT a right-wing scumbag????

As you SHOULD know - a scumbag is a scumbag - whether "right" or "left."

Gestell: "if you disagree, then I feel sorry for everyone in your family who has to associate with you."

NO you dont. YOu dont even KNOW them. This is you trying to patronise me.

Last point. We dont KNOW what happened in the Keyes household. His daughter seems to be CLAIMING she was "kicked out." How do you KNOW this to be true? And how do you KNOW the precise circumstances of its being true if it IS true. Maybe she got "kicked out" - if indeed that happened - because she wanted to bring back her lesbian lover(s)??? Who knows? I know one thing. It is none of OUR dang business.

Gestell
You are supposedly teaching in a third level institute somewhere or other. I would "hate" to have you grading ME.

Gestell: "Consider. What would you really say and do if your great-aunt Gertrude or your nephew Phineas came out to you? From what you say I have to assume you'd throw them out of your family. Right?"

"From what I say"?????? How on EARTH did you get to THIS idiotic conclusion from what I have ACTUALLY said?????

"Right?"

No. Wrong.

Gestell
Gestell: "You're using the phrase to mean some sort of obsession with hate."

Well, from what you ACTUALLY wrote, I believe this to be true. You do have an "obsessive" hatred for "conservatives." You dont want your daughter marrying ANY... for ANY reason.

Gestell: "As for what the "substitution ploy" means, you surely get this."

Yes... yes yes. Why do I feel I am posting to a child who needs everything explained?

Gestell: "Take some sentence and substitute the word "black" for instance, and (supposely) you have scored a serious point against your target."

Yes. and not "supposedly". I HAVE scored "a serious point" against you. You continually post on a "conservative" site... CLAIM an "interest in "conservative thought" - and yet - can write a sentence in which you claim would not want your daughter to marry "ANY" conservative!!!

Gestell: "That's precisely what you did when you substituted "black" for "conservative." in my original sentence."

Good. I'm glad it got your attention. It was meant to. And it isnt a "cheap shot" just because YOU say it is.

Gestell
Gestell: "Now back to my original point: I would not want my daughters to marry conservatives."

Er. This wasNT your "original point." Your original point was that you didnt want your daughter marrying "ANY" conservatives. At ALL!!

Gestell: "Most of the things most conservatives appear to believe seem to me to be actually or potentially harmful to the interests and well-being of my kids as parnters in a marriage."

You mean things like belief in the sanctity of marriage?? Responsible parenthood??? Loving ones spouse??? That sort of "harmful stuff"??? LOLLOL!!!!

Gestell: "The common conservative opinion of gays is wrong, period."

So what has THAT got to do with your daughter getting married - even IF true???? You probably woundnt want her getting married to a bible-thumping fundamentalist - but these constitute PART and part ONLY of the "conservative" movement. Duh.

Now. Let me explain something. I personally would have NO problem with my daughter marrying a "liberal" - my only criteria being that he shouldnt be an a** hole. Which means I am a "liberal" in the true sense of the word. You are not. You would impose your views on your daughter.

JimmyJoe
After all that... you nailed it with this.

[[[ Which means I am a "liberal" in the true sense of the word. You are not. You would impose your views on your daughter. ]]]

...which exemplifies the fallacy of the liberal activist state of mind, which always boils down to: "It's my way, or the highway, you conservative, bible-thumping, fundamentalist moron!"

It must be some kind of self-hypnosis that they suffer from... really.

reply to Jimmy Joe
Nothing I wrote allows you to conclude rationally that I would "impose" my views on my daughters. I wouldn't like it if one of them married a conservative, but I could not and would not prevent it. Let's be realistic here: most parents have at least some parameters in mind when it comes to what they want in a spouse for their child. YOu do, whether or not you want to acknowledge it. So do I.

If many of the people who post on TH are at least somewhat representative (and please don't give me your usual "all," "some," etc. riff, unless you want to talk random sample surveys--I generalize in a way that is hardly unknown to conservatives), then there are some reasons I don't want my kids to marry conservatives.

You claim that only some conservatives are Bible-thumping bigots. My claim is something different--it is that Christians conservatives are the real conservatives, and that they are intolerant, Bible-thumping bigots, in love with their own ignorance on a number of subjects.

A conservative who has a deep, well-formed, clear understanding of what conservatism is should either be such a Bible-thumping bigot, or be capable of regarding same as a comrade in arms in battle against liberalism. As I've said in other posts, conservatism has changed in my lifetime. It has shed whatever ties it once had to anything like Western high culture--about which present-day American conservatives know precious little, based on what I see on TH--and has become populist know-nothingism. Christianity is the common thread for these conservatives. The other kind is generally dismissed now as the beliefs of a tiny, elderly elite of intellectual snobs (Bill Buckley and the old NR folks).

As for "hatred," you still haven't really faced up to my argument--which any conservative should find congenial--that it is ok to hate things that deserve hatred. Clearly, we disagree about what those things are.


Gestell
Gestell: "Nothing I wrote allows you to conclude rationally that I would "impose" my views on my daughters."

Er... Hmmm. and so forth. Wrong again, my dear Gestell.

Gestell: "I sure as H*** don't want my daughters to marry any conservatives."

This is what I take issue with. And it clearly indicates that you WOULD "impose" your views on your daughter. The word "ANY." Simple. Now, either this means what it SAYS... or it doesnt. I take it you mean what you SAY.

MY problem with this? It indicates an underlying prejudice AND hatred on YOUR part... for conservatives. QED. Would you say this about any OTHER group of people???

I doubt it. Yet you feel comfortable posting such things on a CONSERVATIVE web site. If you said that about a religious group - like you didnt want your daughter marrying ANY Catholics for instance, I would LOGICALLY surmise from that that you harboured anti-Catholic bigotry. If you said that about any RACE, I would LOGICALLY surmise you were racist.

My "parameters"? I just listed my parameter SINGULAR. As long as he isnt an A**hole. Already listed.

Gestell
Gestell: "If many of the people who post on TH are at least somewhat representative (and please don't give me your usual "all," "some," etc. riff, unless you want to talk random sample surveys--I generalize in a way that is hardly unknown to conservatives),"

Not "riff". A matter of ACCURACY. When you say "all" or imply "all" you put yourSELF completely in the WRONG. Simple. And I will ALWAYS be here to clean up after you. Until you grow up and Write "SOME"!

You posted a couple of posts outlining "liberal" positions on guns and something else I cant recall... and had NO problem with inserting "SOME." Those were VERY good posts. AND thoughtful. It is as if you dehumanise "conservatives" but see "liberals" AS people.

Gestell: "....then there are some reasons I don't want my kids to marry conservatives."

LET there be "reasons." But the reasON (SINGULAR) you GAVE was because ONE Conservative supposedly threw his daughter out of his house because of her sexual orientation. That in itSELF is NOT a "conservative" position. (I say "supposedly" because she SAYS so. But we dont even KNOW whether it is true or not. How quickly we rush to judgement!!)

And that is a FALSE reason.

Gestell
Gestell: "You claim that only some conservatives are Bible-thumping bigots."

Correct. But NO group is without such people. The "liberal" side is populated with its own bigots. No big thing.

Gestell: "My claim is something different--it is that Christians conservatives are the real conservatives,"

For someone who claims to have an interest in "conservative thought" you know next to NOTHING about it. There are MANY many self-described "conservatives" out there - REAL ones - who have either no or a VERY loose attachment to ANY religious group. Small business people. People who dont like big government. People who are pro life. People who believe in free trade.

There is NO "religious" requirement. In fact, IF you took the trouble to READ what CONSERVATIVES say, then you would KNOW that ONE of Huckabee's MANY problems is that he is running too strongly on a "religious" platform. THAT makes CONSERVATIVES uncomfortable.

Gestell: "and that they are intolerant, Bible-thumping bigots, in love with their own ignorance on a number of subjects."

Well, golly gee. You really ARE in a judgemental mood today!!!! LOL!! I dont know WHAT to say to this!! But apart from the "bible thumping" bit, you could SO VERY easily be describing yourSELF!!!! LOL!!

Gestell
Gestell: "As for "hatred," you still haven't really faced up to my argument--which any conservative should find congenial--that it is ok to hate things that deserve hatred. Clearly, we disagree about what those things are."

Heh. Well, it IS "ok to hate whings that deserve hatred." No big thing. As for not "facing up to this"??? Have you read ANY of my posts??? Have you even begun to UNDERstand why you make me queasy?????

Even AFTER I have again and AGAIN STATED precisely what I have a problem with???

Gestell: "I sure as H*** don't want my daughters to marry any conservatives."

This remark should be withdrawn. You cannot justify it or stand over it. It indicates a hatred for, and a prejudice for ALL conservatives. And no GROUP warrants such hatred. Not even if that group per chance describes itself as "conservative."

Oh. I would have ONE problem with my daughter marrying a "liberal". If that person was a pro abortion fanatic, I would fear for the VERY LIFE of my grandchild in the womb. But then if he a pro abortion fanatic, he would be, by definition an a**hole...

Now THAT is worthy of "hatred." There is nothing wrong with hating abortion, for instance, because it is evil. There IS something wrong with hating PEOPLE, regardless of HOW they describe themselves.

So. Maybe the difference between a "conservative" and a "liberal" is that ONE knows what SHOULD be "hated" and the other doesnt. You obviously DONT.

Yellowguy
Yellowguy: ""It's my way, or the highway, you conservative, bible-thumping, fundamentalist moron!"

Heh. Couldnt have put it better myself!!!

Hillary for President
Look, this is the way it is.

Either Hunter or Tancredo get the nomination, or I vote Democrat, and encourage every conservative to do so.

Let the nation DIE if it's going to die anyway. Choose the quick sword of this next Democrat administration rather than the slow disease of yet another CINO administration.

It shouldn't be an issue. If Americans are smart and have common sense, NONE of the Democrat candidates should stand a chance.. Nobody should be supporting them. Yet, nearly half the population supports the various Democrat candidates. Clearly, the nation is sick.

Either give it a real cure and put real conservatives back in charge, or let it die so we can A) have a clear reason to point to for shoving liberals into detention centers while we B) rebuild the nation.

jdw - Bad Plan
If you vote Hillary, you may as well vote for Satan himself. She & her "spouse" exhibit the very fundamental characteristics of Lucifer... that being Masters of Deception. The great counterfeiter could not be more proud of nearly the entire Democratic slate.

I might exclude Biden... only because he is simply a moron with a great smile.


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Alan Keyes supporter
Thank you for writing this article. Alan Keyes really is the "Complete Conservative" among the Republican field of candidates.

Alan Keyes '08

Townhallers Beware!

As you read Phil Harris' column, be advised that last December, Harris was touting Alan Keyes as a preferable candidate for the Republican nomination fir President.

'...from what I know of the man," Harris wrote on Dec. 26, 2007, "conservatives should give him a good look." So much for Phil Harris' judgment.

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