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Thursday, May 22, 2008
Peter J. Wirs :: Townhall.com Columnist
Will a Pennsylvania Scandal Disrupt Media's Coronation of Obama?
by Peter J. Wirs
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Will the national news media provide balanced coverage of the Democrats and Obama and the Republicans and McCain this year? To answer we start with two premises, then toss in the wild card.

Premise One: Pennsylvania’s 21 Electoral votes are no longer solid Red. It is one of the states the Democrats must win, but which the GOP, if push came to shove, could do without. Traditionally, Pennsylvania’s politics as memorialized by James Carville, is the two islands of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh surrounded by Alabama. A recent shift of Philadelphia’s bedroom suburban counties from Republican to Democratic now tilts Pennsylvania from Purple to Blue.

Premise Two: The media is routinely accused of being infatuated with Barak Obama. Recall Saturday Night Live’s now much acclaimed skit. Hillary Clinton continuously carped about Obama’s media-induced Teflon protection. No matter what she threw, nothing stuck. Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s pushing the proverbial envelope slowed the Obama Express ever so slightly, but the train kept on schedule.

Now let’s throw in the wild card. Setting aside Democrat Eliot Spitzer’s resignation as New York governor, or the scandals besieging Ohio’s Democratic Attorney General Marc Dann, the major Democratic scandal appears to be brewing in Pennsylvania. Labeled "Bonusgate," the controversy swirls around publicly appropriated "slush funds" that each House and Senate caucus controls. The House Democratic Caucus allegedly paid over $1.85 million in bonuses to legislative employees for political work resulting in the Democrats regaining the majority in 2006.

Rumors are flying about the State Capitol on how far Attorney General Tom Corbett, (who in the interest of full disclosure is the only statewide Republican, seeking re-election) will hit with indictments. The scuttlebutt is there will be obstruction of justice and similar charges striking at a Democratic coverup. At least three Democratic legislators are reportedly in the bulls-eye. The rumor mill was stoked by one of the stae’s top columnists, Pittsburgh’s Tribune-Review Brad Bumstead, quoting the Democrats’ counsel, William Chadwick, justifying the high legal bills. "This is an investigation that is looking at large numbers of people in very diverse activities — political-campaign activities, bonus activities, cover-up, obstruction," according to the Democratic attorney.

I checked with sources in both the House Democratic and Republican caucuses to see how far up the latter these charges will go, testing my hypothesis as to House Democrat most probable to go down. The Democratic response was stolid. The Republican response leads me to believe that first, they really don’t have any clue to which shoe will drop, and secondly, there’s not much they can do until it actually happens. If anything there was, per Yogi Berri, deja vu all over again.

The Pennsylvania General Assembly, the second-highest paid, and the largest staff-supported state legislature, is no stranger to scandal. 2006 was a high-water mark due to the GOP self-inflicted Pay Raise scandal, approving a massive pay raise at 2 AM without notice or even floor debate right before recess, being yet more gist for Lincoln Steffen’s mill.

So what? may be your response. But the reality is (and has been since Thomas Jefferson and Alexis de Tocqueville) Pennsylvania is the vest-pocket edition of America. What happens in Pennsylvania is, in reality, a political test-tube for what happens across the nation.

Which leads us back to Square One. Will Obama’s coronation by the national news media continue unabated?

To understand the press, you must properly characterize it. The press is not liberal, so much as it is deontologic, that is, idealistic. It expects people to behave the way they’re suppose to, not as they actually do. And who’s to disagree, this is what the press is suppose to do — hold us to a higher standard.

And the press are "infracanineophiles," which as my high school English teacher delighted in emphasizing is Latin for people who root for the underdog. When McCain was the perceived underdog against Romney on 2008 or Bush in 2000, there was absolutely nothing wrong he could do. Bush, particularly in South Carolina, was the big, bad guy. But now McCain is the presumptive nominee, he couldn’t get positive ink if he danced an Irish jig on his fingertips.

Obama, on the other hand, can do no wrong. He walks on water. He is JFK and MLK all wrapped up one. Just look at how the press covers his fund raising success. Despite a sizable dip in the April numbers, the press spin remains that he’s far superior to McCain (despite McCain having his best month ever). And when the RNC reports it had the best "one month" in over two years, the press portrays it by expressing pity on the impoverished DNC "David" having to fight so hard against the Goliath RNC.

Even when it comes to the Internet, Democrats, MoveOn and ActBlue get all the limelight, while the GOP success is kept in the dark. Do you see any mention of GOP onDemand? Not even the national Republican blogs picked up the news. The Washington Post told us, in effect, go jump in lake — that GOP onDemand not only rivals, but is far superior to MoveOn, is of no consequence. It threatens their apparently preordained conclusion Obama will dominate the Election. In fact, I’m beginning to think to why bother to hold an election in the first place. The national news media has already cast its vote. Who are we, the voters, to get in the way?

So what happens if and when major House Democrats are indicted in Pennsylvania? Will it impact Obama? Will the voters become upset at the Ds as they are now upset at the Rs.

I predict what will happen in 2008 will be the same as in 2006. The local press throughout Pennsylvania, from Pittsburgh throughout the central portion of the state will hammer home Bonusgate, just as they did about the Pay Raise scandal. But the Philadelphia press, which this week sent a TV "reporter" to do a live story in Hollywood shot on who won Dancing with the Stars or American Idol or My Favorite Moose or some other silly "reality" show, will downplay the story, buried deep inside the Op-Ed page. The majority of Pennsylvania’s voters who reside in the Philadelphia media market will not be aware of the tempest sweeping across the balance of the state. All they will see is Obama’s coronation, the well-deserved triumph over the big bad Bush bogey-man.

It is deja vu, all over again.

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Peter J. Wirs is currently the Chairman & Co-Trustee of the Republican Leadership Trust as well as the incoming President of the National Conference of Public Officials. The views and opinions found in this article represent the author's views and opinions and not those of any institution or organization with which the author is affiliated.
 
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From what planet are you writing, Wirs?
Wirs writes "Pennsylvania's 21 Electoral votes are no longer solid Red. It is one of the states the Democrats must win, but which the GOP, if push came to shove, could do without."

Newsflash - Pennsylvania last voted for a Republican 20 years ago. W won twice without Pennsylvania.

"... What happens in Pennsylvania is, in reality, a political test-tube for what happens across the nation."

No, you're thinking of Ohio. Pennsylvania would only go GOP if there's a 40-state landslide, and is thus as irrelevant to modern Presidential politics as Alabama.



"The press is not liberal" Karl Rove you're not.


"GOP onDemand not only rivals, but is far superior to MoveOn" What? Some web site you launched a week ago? That's still in its first beta release? How many billions have you donated and spent on ads?

Time to look into reality-based politics, Wirs.

Avoid ugly hybrid neologisms
"And the press are "infracanineophiles," which as my high school English teacher delighted in emphasizing is Latin for people who root for the underdog. "

The Latin teacher should have known that -phile is a Greek-derived ending. It is *ugly* to mix up Latin and Greek in neologisms. Try "hypocynophile", which is all Greek to me ;)

politics..................
I think ALL the politicans may need a big rock to hide under if nothing is done about this OIL crisis ! The OPEC boys are doing theyr best to bring us to our knees while smiling at us . Somebody needs to come up with an imaginative idea QUIK !! Better dig it now !

Hey, Wirs!
Norman here, your #1 fan!

I've got to give you credit, Petey boy. You've got guts--coming back after the drubbing you just took for your lastest, and worstest, RIN0 excretion EVER! That's really saying something!

What it's saying, of course, is that you've got more guts than brains.

How are they (i.e. the RI-NO-P poohbahs) making you come back here twice a week for another drubbing?

I mean, it's great fun for us conservatives, but what's in it for you?

Are they holding your family hostage or something? Seriously, what's up?

Another negative zero, Petey ol' boy, ol' chum. Keep up the good work!

Little Wonder
The GOP is in such dire straits this year. With Leaders, strategists & wannabe columnists-bloggers like this you not only need a roadmap but a good dictionary, thesaurus, translator and Magic 8 Ball just to figure out how he arrived at his conclusions. Which by the way are all wrong.

"The Press Is Not Liberal..." ??!!

At least I had a good laugh reading this!


W/O=

BTW Mr Wirs
I wouldn't be quitting my day job any time soon if I were you....you DO have a REAL job don't you?


W/O=

Peter J. Wirs--My HERO!!!
I wanted to let you know what an inspiration you have been to me.

Specifically, your willfully obtuse, morally bankrupt, and cynically opportunistic RINO droppings have finally convinced me that there is NO hope for the GOP.

The Old Grey Mare just ain't what she used to be. Time to chamber a round, and call the glue truck.

Accordingly, I have transformed my "Blogatorium"(http://blogatorium.blogtownhall.com/) into a forum for conservatives to decide which third-party nominee is the best choice for conservatives.

We've had a lot of traffic already. Maybe if we try really, really hard, we can be just like RI-NO-P On Demand!

We don't charge $25 (or anything for that matter) in exchange for the right to be heard, though, so you've got us there. . . .

Charging people for "free" speech is something of an oxymoron--doncha think?

Sort of like "conservative republican."

Won't your leash-holders be pleased to learn what a profound effect you've had on (what used to be) the GOP's conservative base?

This is just TOO much fun . . .

I Am Sans Pareil
Does that mean that you're one of those crunchy little circular, flat candies with the white sprinkles on 'em.

I LOVE THOSE!

They truly are "peerless," like your observations and comments. :-)

I'll bet that you're "sans peur et sans reproche," as well.

All kidding aside, nice comments--very funny!

Regarding the need for the roadmap, thesaurus, magic 8 ball, etc. in order to make sense of Wirs' disjionted ramblings, I have found that it helps to treat Wirs' writing like a Jackson Pollack painting: words sprayed at random on a blank canvas.

My favorite lines are the ones where he drinks too much Red Bull and starts channeling his thesaurus. "Moreover, the inevitable--yet all too timely--electoral conflagration of the Democratic process will doubtless engender an anti-progressive backlash, which will--in turn--all but ensure a republican triumph in the imminent selection of . . ."

You get the idea.

One does not so much READ a Wirs column, as one just SHARES the "Wirs Experience." If a cogent thought somehow manage to wriggle its way up to the surface, more's the wonder.

I gave up actually reading (as in "trying to understand") Wir's RINO poop some time ago.

Now, I tend just to LOOK at his "columns," in wonder and awe that anyone should willingly--and repeatedly--engage in such an ostentacious and unselfconscious revelation of his own idiocy and lack of awareness.

He's one for the ages . . .

Here is some dandy stuff hot from Web.
My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya , his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to.....

http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?Barack_Hus sein_Obama_-_Arab-Americ an,_only_6.25%25_African

I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office. 4-3-08 Article "Obama was! 'quite religious in islam'"

Back for another drubbing
I see.

Peter J. Wirs is a Loser.

Your RINO-Grams are gibberish!

Your Website "GOP onDemand" is Lame!

The GOP Has become the Liberal-Lite Party!

Your Candidate is a Lying Liberal Senile Geriatric!



the real scandal in PA
is the corrupt governor Ed Rendell. He has totally mismanaged (or should i say diverted) the state's finances, to the point where infrastructure is rotting away. He promised that a legalization of slot machine gambling and their tax revenues would save the day, but he gave licences to all his cronies and the projected income apparently went pffft.

A lot of the money goes to support the union-dominated and financial black hole Philadelphia transit system, which is a big part of his political power base.

The latest scam is he says he has to lease out the PA Turnpike (the symbol of the modern highway system) or the bridges around the state will fall down. What a crook!

Larkin
The solution to the oil crisis is right there in your post: "Better dig it now."

Why is it that nobody understands simple supply and demand? If the Congress would get out of the oil company's way, they'd go get more oil from the Gulf of Mexico and the upper Midwest, not to mention possibility of extracting oil from certain shales and sands.

Instead, Congress has supported making fuel from corn, which has driven up food prices too.

Brilliant.

Weirds, How Long Have You Been On Earth?
The answer is "no." Pa. politics is not at the root of the coming Obamama presidency. Being elected will result irrespective of whether the Pa. crooks get fried or not. Wirs, a couple of fine points for you: "..how far up the latter these charges will go.." The proper word is "ladder." Your "Yogi Berri" is Yogi Berra. Yogi BerrI is a far-eastern exercise of the hand which is used to help correct writing poor English. How does TH find you writers, like Jackie Gingrich?

The *press* lost its
crdibility when in 2000 Dan Rather and the other network news anchors announced for an hour that the FL polls were closed when the panhandle was on another time zone and polls were open another hour.

I bet the above doesn't show up on the HBO *Recount* nonsense the libs. will deliver all but a la Oliver Stone.

As for PA, if Reps. in the whole state don't have enough power to balance the minorities in Pittsburgh and Phila., they won't power enough anywhere else.

Obama and Pennsylvania
Pennsyvania has a huge pro-life constituency.

Senator Obama, during his service in the Illinois Senate, orchestrated the defeat of Illinois's Induced Infant Liability Act.

Mr. Wirs
How do you expect anyone here to take you seriously? Why haven't you listened to us? You have over a thousand comments on the GOP on demand website on how to win back the base and so far you and the GOP have ignored us. Why won't you respond to peoples request?

Can't you at least tell us to take a hike if you don't like our positions and comments like McCain does?

How can we begin to trust you or McCain when actions don't follow words?

It will be third party this year.

Laughable

The commenters here have pretty much told the tale. Very astute and accurate criticisms of Wirs's latest "offering".

As has been mentioned earlier, the very fact that Wirs considers the incredibly lame website he devised -- GOPondemand -- as the equal of powerhouses like MoveON and KOS clearly illustrates how out of touch he really is. The fact that he's surprised that the Washington Post told him to "go jump in the lake" speaks volumes. I'm sure if I approached them with my blog, I'd get the same response, and frankly my own blog's better than GOPondemand, at least as far as insight (that was NOT a blog plug).

It simply amazes me that this guy seems to have a regular spot as a columnist, what with the poor spelling, grammar, and seemingly space-cadet-quality lack of contact with reality.


Bob
If the base is so dissatisfied with the party leadership, why did they vote for John McCain instead of Ron Paul?

Vito
If Republicans did not like McCain, why did they vote for him instead of Ron Paul?

The fact is that McCaincould not have won the nomination if Republicans did not support him.

dbz, the base didn't

vote for McRINO, not at all.

The base voted in large percentages for the other conservatives: Thompson, Hunter, Tancredo, but due to the open primaries coupled with winner-take-all, McRINO got the delegates. But the conservatives got a very appreciable portion of the vote counts. In several states, McRINO only "won" by a percentage point or two -- yet he still got ALL the delegates.

It was a rigged primary system, set up to totally job and minimize conservatives. If the primaries hadn't been run the way they were, we'd probably still have an ongoing race for the nomination, by now weeded down to two candidates a la the Dems. Possibly even a brokered convention.

dbz77
It has been stated many times already. McCain only recieved a third of the vote. The rest were split between the other candidates. Unfortunately the rules of winner takes all allowed this to happen along with other factors such as open primaries.

Mr.Wirs
I would like to ask you an honest question.Was Mr.Obama in anyway involved in the "Alleged" scandal in Pennsylvania?No,and this response shows how dishonest some writers can be.Did you notice my insult?I did not and would not call you a Journalist.Only your mother and other "FOOLS" will.

Mr.Wirs
I would like to ask you an honest question.Was Mr.Obama in anyway involved in the "Alleged" scandal in Pennsylvania?No,and this response shows how dishonest some writers can be.Did you notice my insult?I did not and would not call you a Journalist.Only your mother and other "FOOLS" will.

ToonHouse Feeding Frenzy
I see dbz has to receive the Wir treatment here; all the mental gymnasts are having a ball.

In fact; Wir wasn't writing about Peter J. Wir; as these @ssholes seem to copy. He was wondering --yeah, a lame attempt, what the liberal news media would arrange in order to crown Obambi as per schedule. But this thread went left-field to crucify the columnist.

It's a short attention span at work here. Typical of Brian Shrek, our house Ogre. Lead on, Fearless Leader Shrek-Drek. This is "Dump on Wir Day." Never mind Pennsylvania and Obama.

ToonHouse Feeding Frenzy
I see dbz has to receive the Wir treatment here; all the mental gymnasts are having a ball.

In fact; Wir wasn't writing about Peter J. Wir; as these @ssholes seem to copy. He was wondering --yeah, a lame attempt, --what the liberal news media would arrange in order to crown Obambi as per schedule. But this thread went left-field to crucify the columnist.

It's a short attention span at work here. Typical of Brian Shrek, our house Ogre. Lead on, Fearless Leader Shrek-Drek. This is "Dump on Wir Day." Never mind Pennsylvania and Obama.

Well, Dreadthought

In your usual oblivion, you seem to have overlooked the actual column, in which Wirs does, in fact, talk about his website.

Are you always this dense, or do you actually have to practice to achieve such a dramatic level of idiocy?


PS, Dreadthought, as to dbz

Dbz made an assertion, of which he/she was corrected, calmly and politely.

You, of course, thunder in throwing your mindless insults first thing off the bat.

You really are a mindless old fool.

Ow, Vito ~
"respond to the issues and concerns that are being posted about your columns. Peter, you have to cease being in denial. The GOP ship is sinking. The rubes aren't falling for the hat tricks anymore. Even Bush's waterboy, Rush, doesn't like McCain."

Caro Vito . . . You're also in denial. Haven't you heard? The President isn't elected until November. Even the Godfather didn't read
post-mortems until after the corpses went room temperature. Mustn't start panting untill then.

So, you say: "If you really gave a damn, Peter, you would promote a Dump McCain Off The Ticket movement. How about something like DumpMac or McDump? Maybe you could do a fundraising promotion tie-in with McDonald's. For every Big Mac sold, a percentage of the proceeds would go to the DumpMac 2008 movement. Hey, I'll take 2 to go, please, no fries!"

Oh Boy; and yuz are all talking about how lame Wir is in the writing department. That try was as funny as a market crash. Don't try to be a Leno when your show is strictly from Maranoville. BTW, my pet Pommie tells me Obama's running-mate is somebody from the Dog Pound. I take it very seriously, my pup is a wizard. Much more accurate than polls on the cable nets.

Listen well, Vito--if you really give a damn. --Ciao

.

.


Gee, Shrek


Am I suspended for swinging at the first pitch? It was a homer, wasn't it?

No sense of humor after all these weeks. You need some good news to pep you up. Like: Obama is elected the President. Would that suit you? (They're trying hard.)

Hahahaha, Dreadthought!

Well, I'm sure Vito's more than capable of answering for himself, but your line:

"Listen well, Vito--if you really give a damn. --Ciao"


Why would you think anyone would "give a damn" about anything YOU ranted?

And can we take that "Ciao" as a promise you're going away, never to be heard from again?

Better than winning the Lotto!

Funnier, yet, doofus!

You: "Am I suspended for swinging at the first pitch? It was a homer, wasn't it?"

A "homer"?

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

"Whiffer" is more like it.

You'd never be suspended, pard; your posts are WAY too hilarious.


Someone needs to notify Robert that his crown as the TH Resident Village Idiot is no longer unchallenged!


Great idea!!

What leadership! What solid ideas!!

In order for Republicans to win, we have to hope that there is a Democratic scandal.

How's this for a slogan:

"Vote Republican. We don't stand for anything, and we are just as corrupt as Democrats, but at least we weren't the last ones caught!!"

Pointguard, my sugegstion

for the new motto:

"The Stupid Party!
Snatching Defeat From The Jaws Of Victory Since 1994!"


Shrek; it was a HOMER


Haaaaahaaaaa!
Come on; you were beefing because I came out swinging. I see you let me have a fat pitch to knock out of the park.

Now you're hissy about it. And moi-- the one whom you repeatedly say how you "clean my clock." Do I cry? No. Here you are; left speechless by my first swing, Home Run!

Almost; (At least Peter Wir is speechless.) You can still write great words, super labels ! Dense, mindless, old fool, idiot; " Why-- you have a top vocabulary! You're a regular Herman Melville, aren't you?

there we are!


Just see what flair, what vocabulary and imagination!

Pointguard, my sugegstion

for the new motto:

"The Stupid Party!
Snatching Defeat From The Jaws Of Victory Since 1994!"

...............He show does write! That old Ogre Shrek! Lol!

Well, Dreadthought

I'm glad you thought you "hit it out of the park". And you didn't "come out swinging"; you came out screeching. But, hey! I think you should just keep on keepin' on. I'm sure you've convinced one person -- yourself -- and you'll be able to take solace in that. I'm happy for you!

As to writing like Melville -- nope, not at all. I'm simply a guy with pretty good powers of observation who knows a "Dense, mindless, old fool, idiot" when I see one.


Dude... I don't know why you keep trying to pick fights with me you can't possibly win. You must be a masochist. You keep showing up at these battles of wits with your quiver only half full of ammo.

But hey; when my opponent's busy making a fool of himself, who am I to interfere?

cool reply, but:


Is posting juvenile remarks like Stupid Party--
somehow the smart kind of commentary you want to be known for? Couldn't you make a fool of __yourself ___ without acting like James Carville ?

Alternative Fuel
You gotta believe this! Automobiles can now run on water! PROOF IS HERE! WATCH THE VIDEO!

http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com

Dread - Part 1

Since you've toned down the rhetoric on your comment, and it appears we may even be able to have a civil conversation, I'm willing to give it a try.

First of all, I wish I were the one who invented the nickname "The Stupid Party"; I'm not. I will take credit for the "snatching defeat" part, though; and frankly, it's pretty witty.

But the reason the GOP's earned that nickname is in accord with Einstein's definition of insanity: continually repeating the same action while expecting a different result.

That's been the problem with the GOP: history CLEARLY illustrates that the GOP enjoys its greatest victories, typically by huge margins, when it campaigns on traditional conservative principles, as opposed to the neo-conism (faux-conism) of people like McCain, Schwarzenegger, Wirs here, Giuliani, Dole, Kemp, et al.

Reagans two landslides, Bush 1's landslide as Reagan 3 and subsequent defeat as his natural RINO self, the 1994 Contract With America.

History is very clear on this.


Dread - Part 2 et finis

But what happens is the non-conservatives look at those landslides as some mandate to then turn themselves into Dem-Lite, then scratch their heads in puzzlement at why all their former supporters are deserting them in droves.

It's such a sad state of affairs that the entire campaign pitch in both 2006 and now basically boils down to: "Hey, vote for us! We're not as bad as the other guy!".

That simply won't work. Reagan's real genius was that he truly believed in the principles, and though he wasn't always successful (he had a hostile Congress throughout both terms), he knew how to "sell" it to the electorate.

In 1994, Gingrich tapped into the same gestalt. But then, at that time, he was still a real conservative, too, instead of just another sellout sitting beside Pelosi and preaching about how globull warming is the "new conservatism".

Frankly, I don't like writing it any more than you like reading it. But I also didn't like having to punish my daughter when she was a little girl. However... I did it, because it was in her own best interests.

Same thing for the GOP.



he's so witty not
"I will take credit for the "snatching defeat" part, though; and frankly, it's pretty witty." (Flattering himself again; like when he cleaned my clock, in his dreams).

It's an old witticism. I've read & heard that a thousand times, Pal.

It may fit the Republicans; who "fenced" with amnesty and the border bashers until they were perceived as wicked racists. By our own hispanics, who went over to the Democrats in 2006. Narrow margin losses all over the U.S. landscape, naturally.

You'll die thinking it was because "the base punished those RINOs." (Again in your dreams.) That's a farce. You don't have the numbers to swing a fair election. But Rush and Sean and Laura said you do; so you go around acting bullet-proof. How about if I told you you'll never win without the RINO or centrist vote? Yeah; you'd do the Full Monty at me.

It's an old story. You scratch my back; I'll scratch yours. I'm appalled Rush has yet to learn that truth. He pushed his Kool Aid; what does he get back-- Senator Johnny Mac.

Now we have a "centrist" (you say RINO) who can win. They call him McAmnesty; and that's fine. Better than being called Huck (Loser) or Romney (you bash him,) or Fred Thompson, Loser, Tancredo, Loser, Paul, Loser. A raft of nobodies.

The only other who could've beat off Obambi was Rudy. He was a non-starter to me; I'm glad he self-destructed. Abortion-enabler, etc.,

We'll win in November.

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to conclude a little while:
This is horsefeathers:

" . . . the non-conservatives look at those landslides as some mandate to then turn themselves into Dem-Lite, then scratch their heads in puzzlement at why all their former supporters are deserting them in droves." REPLY: Supporters? You mean other Right of center voters and hispanics? You mean a share of the swing vote? ___ As opposed ___ to a whole lot of apple-knockers with black cowboy hats?

"It's such a sad state of affairs that the entire campaign pitch in both 2006 and now basically boils down to: "Hey, vote for us! We're not as bad as the other guy!"" You saw what I said just now about 2006. It's true. Even Dick Morris said that on O'Reilly; after the Fringe had bellowed furiously about amnesty; like roosters who think they make the sun come up.

Tell you something, Boasting Brian; __We AREN'T___ as bad as the other guy ! But YOU? You want sealed borders and 12 million evictions. You want another powerhouse from the Far Right. We haven't got any. Get over it.

Dreadnaught
According to your posts here and elsehwere, you do not credit conservatives for the various landslide victories so ably recounted by our own BrianR previously on this thread.

You also do not blame the drubbing the GOP took in 2006 on lack of conservative support. That is, we conservatives did not cost the GOP the 2006 election. We were not a factor, in your view.

Why, then, are so worked up over the conservatism criticism on this and other discussion threads? You have gone so far as to blame us for threatening to hand the Presidency to Obama.

How can we do that, if we have no electoral clout?

If we're not a factor, then we're not a factor. We're just another whiny fringe group.

Please clarify these contradictory positions, all of which you are on record here on TH's message boards as supporting.

Thank you in advance.

And, Dreadthought

I see trying to talk to you civilly was an absolute waste of my time, because all you know how to do is act childish and stupid... like always.

Well, you silly schmuck, I sure won't make THAT mistake again.

You're nothing but a boor, an assshole, and a brain-dead cretin.

All you've managed to do is show your own extremism, and prove what an old and silly fool you are.


PS, Deadhead
I hereby annoint you Co-Resident TH Village Idiot.

You share your crown with the infamous Robert.

What a signal honor, I'm sure.


Twilight Zone - The Blog
What a curious little kiosk in the midst of the Townhall Mall this is! Hunter S. Thompson at his most drugged-out and obtuse made more sense than Wirts; although, he wasn't nearly as unintentionally funny.

Must answer norman
"you do not credit conservatives for the various landslide victories so ably recounted by our own BrianR previously."

Don't be so near-sighted, Norman.

Use the brains God allotted you. Certainly good conservatives (I'm one of them) did their part. This is a big tent, conservatives will always be important.

They're now telling us nobody else is important; people like Brian. Why? Because along the way to these difficult times, only their agenda deserves loyalty ?

But with the Democrats in full flight to the White House, we should join our full force to stop those opportunists. We have the votes; we'll always have the high road. Don't GIVE it to them.

Division is what's going to bring us down, not a superior party in opposition. Conservatives should serve if they can't lead. It's for our common cause.

It would be great to run with a conservative icon. But Leftists have no greater icon; we could kick their @sses if we fought them united. They deserve to lose, not our side. Meet the Democrat challenge!

Dreadnaught (#53)
You have still not addressed a very clear inconsistency in your position. (In fact, I might be forgiven for believing that you deliberatly avoiding doing so.)


To wit:

In your post #45 you wrote: "You'll die thinking it was because 'the base punished those RINOs.' (Again in your dreams.) That's a farce. You don't have the numbers to swing a fair election."

So, according to you, conservatives "don't have the numbers to swing a fair election."

These are your words, directly quoted.

Hence, my restated question: "Are we a significant voting block or aren't we?"

If we are, why is it a "dream" (quoting you) to believe that conservative disaffection cost the GOP the 2006 elections.

If we are not, why are you even bothering to tell us how wrong we are to oppose McCain? Your valuable time effort should be used in pursuit of the votes of a more relevant and powerful voting block.

Simple questions, respectfully presented.

Perhaps you'll provide simple answers, respectfuly presented.


Sincerely,

Norman

kingsXrulz (#52)
Well-said. Nice comparison to Hunter S. Thompson. I have to agree with you.

I haven't seen your name here before (please forgive me if I've overlooked it), but Wirs is our designated RINO "Whack-A-Mook."

He usually posts twice a week. He's even got a couple of sock puppets that he uses, and bashing them is great sport, too! It's fabulous fun!

Every time I start to feel sorry for the drubbing this hapless, clueless soul takes from us, he comes out with some outrageous smear on conservatives, and--in the words of Maria von Trapp--"then I don't feeeeeeel sooooo baddddddd" for joining in the anti-Wirs pig-pile.

Cheers!

illegibility
can't read story, print too small. What's the matter with Townhall?

Pardon me, Norman
I can't recall getting drubbed by any of you kids. You were so discouraged a day ago that all you could do is return to the tall grass you call your blog. You'd lost the stomach for debate because my answers actually caused you to think!

Here I am hapless and clueless again to render you plumb foolish.

I have done so to Mr Brian Shrek. Without resorting to banal insults such as idiot, boorish, stupid, etc., (he can't use obscenities here as he might over on your blog). Yet notice I don't flatter myself. When it's fact it ain't brag. Just one other thing, Norm:

I haven't "smeared conservatives" i'd be smearing someone who feels exactly as I feel about our country. I'm a conservative. My vote shall be cast for a conservative candidate, McCain. Over & over my posts have explained his views; conservative ones like (1.)Low taxes/reduced spending, (2.) Pro-Life) (Victory over Islamofascists
(4.) Supreme Court Justices conservatives can respect.

I think that's Right Conservative of the Senator from Arizona!

.


I like this question:
Norman is asking, haplessly,

"Are we a significant voting block or aren't we?"
Sure, Norm. I'm apart of the bloc (spell it bloc.)

If we are, why is it a "dream" (quoting you) to believe that conservative disaffection cost the GOP the 2006 elections." I voted the straight Republican ticket. I wasn't disaffected. You may have failed to vote. Do you KNOW all of your Fringe Clique abstained from voting, or is it a hunch?

I know all our Latino and hispanic voters went Democrat. Since the losing margins in so many of our state mid-terms were often razor-thin; the thought occurs:

WITH our hispanic conservatives on our side; we could've survived in Congress, albeit narrowly. The Fence-Hiugger fringe of our party gave voters such a convincing perception of RACISM and Mexico-Hatred; that OUT went a minority voting bloc we should have been cultivating; not alienating. Remember-- the losing margins in many of our loses were very close.

On O'Reilly one night, Dick Morris stated the GOP has alienated this huge ethnic minority (hispanics) for the next 100 years! O'Reilly had no response.

"is it a "dream" (quoting you) to believe that conservative disaffection cost the GOP the 2006 elections?" I believe most conservatives VOTED. Naturally, many Fence-Huggers stayed out. Don't forget to thank them for helping lose our majority in Congress. Did it help them erect a Mighty Big Fence? Now they'll help elect Barack Obama as well. (Real smart.)

Dreadnaught, Wirs' Sock Puppet?
The thread's dead, and as you wrote, I've been too busy "hiding" in the tall weeds over at my blog.

The "drubbing" I mentioned to kingsXrulz was of the hapless Mr. Wirs. There is no mention made of "Dreadnaught." So either you did not read the post carefully, or you ARE Peter Wirs.

Which is it?

Another Possibility-Dreadnaught
I suppose that it it also possible that you do not know what a sock puppet is. Perhaps you believe that by "sock puppet," in this context, I meant anyone who supported Wirs' position.

If that's the case, then you would have thought that my reference to the "drubbing" taken by Wirs' sock puppets referred to you when it only referred to the various alter egos Wirs uses to make the chorus of voices seem less than unanimously opposed to his opinions, as expressed in his columns.

So, either you didn't read my post carefully, you misunderstood what was meant by "sock puppet," or you ARE in fact Peter Wirs.

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