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Thursday, March 20, 2008
Peter J. Wirs :: Townhall.com Columnist
Happy 154th Birthday, GOP
by Peter J. Wirs
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Today is Republican Party’s 154th anniversary, its first county convention convening March 20, 1854, in Ripon, WI. The first state GOP convention occurred later that year on July 6th in Jackson, MI. The first national Republican committee convened in Pittsburgh February 22- 23, 1856; the first national convention the following June 17th in Philadelphia. The question remains, why are we Republicans? On this anniversary, we distill GOP platforms of years past, harmonize with our Constitutional principles and Judea-Christian ethos to illuminate as touchstone

The 10 Tenets of the Republican Party

First — We are Republicans because we believe in Limited Government always subservient to the electorate. To guard against the transgressions of the high powers delegated to public officials, we hold inviolate that such powers government are not general, but forever circumscribed. We do not denounce government, but are of the Blackstonian belief government is but a civil entity limited to exercise police powers solely to protect one from another. We believe in the separation of powers not only among any branch, but between Federal and state government, only the enumerated authority of limited national matters is the domain of the Federal government, remaining authority reserved to the States, dispersed among their municipalities as designed, or to the people respectively. We fear always the powers of government are expanded only by those seeking to wield such.

Second — We are Republicans because we believe in Civil Rights affirming not only the human dignity of, but earnestly protecting the individual against the ugly repression of majoritarian rule. We embrace our Founding Fathers chastising Local Spirts who vulgarly manipulate the political process in aiding, abetting, and perpetuating customs and usages ingrained historically and psychologically in the mores and attitudes upon which such factions require to sustain themselves. We declare our sympathy with all the oppressed people through out the world who struggle for their rights.

Third — We are Republicans because we believe in Justice as Jus Fidus Libertatum (Law Is a Safeguard of Freedom); that the courts shall always be open and every man for an injury done him in his lands, goods, person or reputation shall have remedy by due course of law, and justice administered without sale, denial or delay. Judges exist solely to interpret the law for the purpose of protecting the individual against majoritarian rule, as the rule of law is always an obstacle to the elite; and by virtue of human nature infesting any adjudication, neither the writ of habeas corpus or coram norbis be suspended.

Fourth — We are Republicans because we believe in Religious Freedom as all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Divine Providence according to the dictates of their own consciences free of control or interference. We eschew the hypocrisy of imposing personal doctrines or dogma as bounden for political convictions; and although we insist upon the separation of church and state, such applies only what may divide us, not to the historical truth for why our ancestors defied all to cross the Atlantic to these shores; such being necessary to cherish to protect us against moral entropy, for civic virtue is an absolute, it being impossible to devise a process that excuses morality.

Fifth — We are Republicans because we believe in Political Integrity, the right to criticize; to hold beliefs; to protest; to undertake independent thought. We do not rendezvous for vilification, for selfish political gain at the sacrifice of individual reputations and national unity, for to embrace a philosophy that lacks political integrity or intellectual honesty is as equally disastrous to America as false hopes promulgated as panacea by advocacy of a welfare state. We remain prohibited from obtaining electoral victory on the backs of the Four Horsemen of Calumny: Fear, Ignorance, Bigotry and Smear, for America’s greatest ill today as in the past, the animus held against one and other. We likewise demand the Printing Press be free to all who undertake to examine any aspect of governance without restraint of law or monopoly, least we suffer the loss of the vigilance on behalf of us all. Free communication of thoughts and opinions is our invaluable right, as the only test of truth is the power of thought to gain acceptance in the competition of the marketplace of ideas.

Sixth — We are Republicans because we believe in Public Ethics in only from the Creator is there authority, and He endowed civil government as also the church to fulfil His will. Hence, public officials have the indisputable moral obligation to obey the most exemplary standard of conduct, for character is much easier kept than recovered. Since power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, the highest ethical mooring is indispensable to resist power’s enticement. We believe all voters have the inalienable right to require public officers observe without reservation procedural and substantive due process and render adjudications on basis of merit, as absolute and uncontrolled discretion invites abuse. It is always shocking to the conscience when any public official exercise public authority for personal motives.

Seventh — We are Republicans because we believe Public Officials are Fiduciaries of the public treasury, duty-bound to exercise the greatest skill and prudence in the most diligent means possible, as government should be administered with the strictest economy and rigid accountability; the plundering of the public treasuries by "pork" or "earmarks" which so shamefully corrupt the halls of power impugns the Constitutional demand government serves only the General Welfare. Appropriations are justified solely on the premise of universal benefit for the commonweal, accrual whatsoever to any special interest at the expense of the general public is proscribed.

Eight — We are Republicans because we believe in Competence, for if Government is granted a power to exercise, it is presumed such power is exercised successfully. We require Public Officials at all times avoid arbitrary and capricious decision-making based on random or convenient selection or choice rather than on reason, and never fail to doubt their own infallibility by entrusting themselves with people vastly more knowledgeable, taking due pain to be rightly informed, and be guided by the priorities deem best fulfil the Public’s interest without self aggrandizement or being solicitous to public whimsicality. We believe of governance by reflection and choice, not by accident and force.

Ninth — We are Republicans because we believe we are stewards of God’s Bounty of clean air, pure water and the preservation of the natural, scenic, historic and esthetic values of our inherited environment from sea to shining sea, being the common property of all, and accordingly, we shall conserve and maintain our environment not for the exploitation to satisfy greed of the elite but for the universal benefit all people, including generations yet to come.

Tenth — We are Republicans because we believe in Balance between guns and butter, knowing economic consequences of failing to sustain one or another but never both. Without our national defense we have no domestic tranquility, yet since we lead by example, not by force, our military are defenders of our cherished liberties, not worldly provocateurs. We believe taxation should never be an impediment, as every person has the right to govern himself, to fix his own goals, and to make his own way with a minimum of governmental interference, for government is to foster and maintain equal opportunity for the pursuit liberty and happiness; undertake only to provide needful things, rightly of public concern, which the citizen cannot himself accomplish.
 
By virtue of great principles given birth in Declaration of Independence, fulfilled by the Constitution and enshrined in the Bill of Rights as the true foundation of our Democracy by a Republican form of government, we labor with every breath all effort toward making these principles a living reality on every inch of American soil.
 

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Peter J. Wirs is currently the Chairman & Co-Trustee of the Republican Leadership Trust as well as the incoming President of the National Conference of Public Officials. The views and opinions found in this article represent the author's views and opinions and not those of any institution or organization with which the author is affiliated.
 
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Happy Birthday, GOP
How far, far, far you've strayed from your ideals. Limited government? Let's pony up another trillion for an unwinnable war (hmmm... wasted money, wasted lives, let's stop the madness folks). Religious freedom? I believe it was Townhall.com that taught me a mormon could not (in 2007-8) be elected president. Rabid evangelicals came out of the woodwork to savage Mitt Romney, spewing their intolerance, quoting Old & New Testaments, calling mormons "false" christians, criticising their afterlife. Public ethics? Let's bypass this one. Both parties are experiencing a rough time.


Let's keep God out of the equation. This mythology just acts a a catalyst for war & oppression. Let's work off the sensible supposition that man can be good & ethical all on his own (bringing "magic", or God, into the equation doesn't solve anything).

Blow out your candles now. Happy Birthday.


And which of these would Democrats ...
.. disagree with? The first, certainly. Any others?

But Will was on the right track here. I am amazed he didn't call out Civil Rights (DOMA, etc), and the biggest of them all COMPETENCE.

And to think I voted Republican :(

Gotta Agree with Will . . .
. . . on this one (much though it pains me).

A turning point for me was when Tom DeLay, before his resignation, was quoted as saying that the Congress had come with a "bare bones" budget.

Buuuuhaaaahaaaa!!!

I'll vote for real conservatives at all levels in November.

This means, of course, that I won't be voting for too many GOP folks.

And I will never, ever, ever, ever vote for John McCain.

Hey Wirs! Check out this new slogan!
How about this for a new GOP slogan:

"Reagan's Dead. Help Bury Him. McCain 2008!"


I'll bet your buddies back at the Yacht Club would just LOVE it! They might even give you a promotion!

Just make sure you give me SOME credit, please. I need to "make nice" with the new management.

After all, we conservatives are supposed to "get over it" and "stop whining."

And hey, I'm all about pleasing The Man!

The GOP
Yes I will be the first to admit we Have our fault. But We never had a Rep. President disgrace us like MR. Clinton. then gave pardon to all his cronnie friends. God please don't let then in again.

GOP Birthday
Seems that the GOP has failed on most, if not all or your points of why we are Republicans.

GOP---REST IN PEACE!!!

Disgusted Conservative

That's "coram nobis," Pete
So, who protects us from the judges, Pete?

How many failures can we stand???
Peter, thank you for reminding me as to how far we have strayed from our principles under the auspices of King George II.

As is said about Obama, it's just words.


"We are Republicans because we believe in Competence, for if Government is granted a power to exercise, it is presumed such power is exercised successfully."
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The Keystone Kops who run our government have blazed new trails in incompetence and yet, you want us to elect more of the same?

"Judges exist solely to interpret the law for the purpose of protecting the individual against majoritarian rule, as the rule of law is always an obstacle to the elite; and by virtue of human nature infesting any adjudication, neither the writ of habeas corpus or coram norbis be suspended."
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And who is going to protect us from our out-of-control judges? Why hasn't the Party eliminated judicial immunity for willful misconduct on the bench? Six years of absolute power, and it was never exercised.


"We remain prohibited from obtaining electoral victory on the backs of the Four Horsemen of Calumny: Fear, Ignorance, Bigotry and Smear, for America’s greatest ill today as in the past, the animus held against one and other."
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Swiftboat! The Party has been running on high-octane fear for the past three cycles. Remember the wolf? Republican leaders are, without exception, sociopaths. We can't talk issues, because we've screwed things up so bad that there is nothing we have to offer real people.

Yes, the Repubs Are Missing A Few
Thanks to Jorge Bush, the Brain, and the members of Congress who/have claimed to be Republican, 2008 appears to be a complete write-off. McShame, don't think so - too many people want everything "free" as promised by the Demos, and are fed up with Jorge's hate America open borders and free trade. Imagine, 31 consecutive years of trade deficit. 3 months of 2008 equals the 2007 national debt. WIRS, I think you are a Demo rabblerouser with a design to help the losers running for the Demo nomination.

Going the way of the Whigs
I just keep saying -- the Constitution party. Largest and fastest-growing third-party. It's where the Republicans were back when they took the reins from the Whigs. It's time for our next revolution, or our next evolution -- however conservatives want to frame it. The GOP is GONE. Let's move on to a party that works.

G O P - R I P
G O P - R I P

...we received a request in the mail to donate to the Republican Party...

...with far-left liberal socialist John McCain heading up the Republicans, a request for a donation? Was that some kind of a joke?

GOP: Put down the crack-pipe, we wouldn't give the Republicans a solitary red cent.

...and the horses you rode in on...

G O P - R I P

Mr.Wirs
I would like to say "Thank You",for doing your "JOB".While those; who are "Less Fortunate" than you,fed at the level of a pig,you decided to tell a different story.You could have raked over dead bones,but you chose higher ground.THANKS...

GOP=WHIG
The Republican Party under GWB seems intent on political suicide. Pandering to citizens of other countries illegally in our country while telling us we must be vigilantes if we object to illegal aliens ignoring our borders and laws. Mel Martinez was RNC Chairman to ensure an open borders candidate in '08. The cheap labor express will be kept running, regardless of the consequences, to party or country. GOP-RIP

The Stupid Party


The RNC wants an amnesty candidate.

Don't vote for one.

Another amnesty will result in Democrat majorities for decades, or until they are supplanted by the La Raza Party, why doesn't the RNC know that? How stupid do you have to be to import voters for the opposition at the same time you alienate your own voters? Nominating any of the amnesty supporters is a losing proposition, we will not support them. If the GOP intends to surrender our sovereignty and abandon the rule of law, they will find in November 2008, that they still have their big money/cheap labor donors, but they do not have voters. GOP-RIP

Where Did This Clown Come From?
Wirs suddenly shows up and talks nonsense. Is it possible the GOP is this badly out of touch? McCain is not a conservative and Wirs's silly articles won't make him one. Or, more accurately, Wirs can't fool us real conservatives. We know what McCain is--an open borders, one world government RINO.
Sorry Wirs, no sale.

alisa-w:
I find it hard to believe that the Constitution Party is the fastest growing third-party in the U.S. Has somebody new joined the party and doubled the membership? Please give some details to support your claim.

The Libertarian Party is, I have heard, larger than all other third-parties combined. If that is even nearly true, the Constitution Party would be insignificant by any measure.

By the way, calling itself the Constitution Party could make the party liable for deceptive advertising policies. The so-called Constitution Party supports only portions of The Constitution. It blatantly calls for imposing a theocratic government in place of the secular government our forefathers bequeathed to us. This is not something Americans are likely to support.

Peter
I was wondering when you would put out another RINO-Gram.

Reading your article just show's us Conservatives how lost the GOP is.

The GOP is now the party of big government spending.

The only difference between the GOP and the Liberals, is that the GOP wants to keep taxes low and borrow the money to give away for their social programs.

Even though you did not mention that LYING, RAT BA$TARD McCain. Or tell us we have to come together and vote for him.

Let me tell you that I will NEVER vote for that Arrogant, Senile SOB.

"We are winning in Iraq!", but he doesn't know who is fighting whom, and who is being trained in Iran.

He's all for the wall between Israel and Gaza. But against the wall between Mexico and the USA.

Yup
This why I consider myself a conservative and not a republican

In Memoriam
I will wear a black armband today in memory of what the GOP once was and is no more.

It's gonna get much worse...
before it gets any better.

As much as I enjoy all the bickering and name calling, and I'll keep doing it, I realize that it's all for naught. We're all screwed. No matter which of the useless, interchangeable candidates wins, he/she will guide us down the sh*t hole.

Unfortunately, I can't envision a non-violent solution. Prepare yourself.

Constitution Party
I'm not religious, personally. It's an aspect of the party I'm less than excited about. But in every other major respect it says what I need to it say. And it gives me some hope that there are still people who respect individual rights and small government. Meanwhile, the GOP grows more wizened and more deformed by the minute. If you have a better idea, I'd love to hear it. But for now the Constitution Party is doing what I need a party to do -- it's putting up its fists and fighting.

No Party
Since the GOP has no leadership, there is no brain to develop strategy, no plan to counteract the sneaky, shabby, clever, skillful, shrewd tactics of the opposition. St. Paul said Christians are not unaware of Satan's schemes, but the GOP is ignorant of any plot of any kind and if they were, they won't know what to do to counter it.

Dems know what they want and tenaciously go after it. Jesus said the people of this world are more shrewd in dealing with their own kind than are the people of the light. Giving in or up is not an option for the Dems. They fervently believe they are the only ones who can properly bestow benevolence upon the needy. They know what's best for you so why are you so ungrateful.

GOP makes a better underdog than lead dog. What if the GOP had put up, say, JC Watts and Elizabeth Dole as their presidential candidates?!??!!

Shalom

All ideas welcome
Personally I'm just ready to stand in front of somebody's tank in whatever our version of Tiananmen Square is. It's time for drastic change. Whatever it takes. If Libertarians will organize themselves and start marching, tell me where they're meeting up.

Another One from Mr. Wirs
Here again, we have another pitch for the RIP, formally known as the RNC from Mr. Wirs.

When the RNC threw out the Fifth Tenet I started throwing out all of their contribution requests and decided not to vote for their poor excuse as a Presidential candidate.

Without No. 5 none of the others are believable.
So sad, but true.

JOHN MCCAIN NEEDS A HEARING AID


When I heard McCain's Hispanic Outreach guy was none other than Smiling Juan Hernandez, I knew John McCain has heard nothing we have had to say.


Smiling Juan Hernadez
We know who he is, we know his loyalties are to Mexico, we know he wants to erase our borders and immigration laws.

JOHN MCCAIN, YOU NEED A NEW HEARING AID

Smiling Juan Hernandez
In case you don't know him, he used to work for the Mexican govt., lately he has been shilling for "rights" for illegal aliens in this country. He has said he wants Mexicans to remain Mexicans even if they are living here. His loyalties are to Mexico, not U.S.



Questions for illegal alien apologists like John McCain:

Why does The National Council of the Race (la raza in spanish) and the Chamber of Commerce get to negotiate a "Comprehensive Shafting of The American Citizens" behind closed doors? Since when does an organization representing foreign nationals breaking our laws get to rewrite our immigration laws to suit the lawbreakers? Isn't this akin to allowing NAMBLA to rewrite our laws regarding child predators? Or allowing organized crime syndicates to rewrite racketeering, gambling, prostitution, and extortion laws?

We The People are being told by our representatives that we should sit down and shut up while they invite in the entire world. We The People should get some say in this matter. Another amnesty will set off a stampede like we have never seen before. There is not much time to save our country. All the money and power are on the side of shoving this amnesty down our throats. The RNC wants an amnesty candidate, don't vote for one.

and let me add
Before I look like a frantic loon, let me just add that I have looked at other parties. I do not see the Libertarians as making much of an effort to position themselves. Do they even have a candidate? The Constitution Party is the largest growing third party in America and they will have a candidate in April. Some of their potential candidates are less religious-based than others. We'll have to see. But you really don't get very far in the battle to change things without a strong affirmative effort to do so. I don't see other third parties making that effort at present. So will happily overlook flaws in a third-party. I mean, I've been supporting the GOP while searching *through* the flaws to find some acceptable content.

Hey, you big, bad GOP'rs
...why don't you try defending America's borders for a change?

I guess there simply aren't illegal aliens who's job specialty is "GOP politician".

GOP, I will dearly enjoy witnessing the destruction of you neocon traitors.


alisa-w
Your courage and wisdom should be saluted...not questioned and mocked. I salute you.


thanks, greg b
... and I, too, am an admirer of the pig-fox comment elsewhere....

ModMark
You're too kind -- no mockery perceived here.


Anyway, I probably live to be mocked, or I wouldn't be posting....


All third parties...
...face formidable obstacles. In general, election law favors the two major parties. That is understandable because it is the two majors that write the laws. Understanding it does not make it less onerous.

Any start-up party is weak at first. Those that hold the reins of power tend to move quickly to marginalize any and all efforts to launch a new party.

The GOP is dissolving. That fact presents an opportunity for the emergence of a new party. Single issue voters present the biggest barrier to the coalescence of a viable third party.

You cannot be free unless you are willing to let others be free. If your intention is to impose your will upon others, for your perception of what is good for society you will fail to achieve freedom for yourself. Political power is temporary. Even if you succeed in dominating the political environment today, tomorrow will bring change.

Only the individual is sovereign. Only the individual is real. The state, society, community are all inventions. They are the creations of man. They are not real.

Shaping society by force can only achieve temporary success. Lasting change is only achieved through voluntary cooperation.

Not An Enabler
McCain, the catatonic grandpa, may win in November. But it won't be with my vote. I will not enable a RINO who doesn't understand what sovereign nation means.

?Comprendo?
In this article Mr. Wirs wrote regarding the Republican Party,

"...we labor with every breath all effort toward making these principles a living reality on every inch of American soil."

...which, I will point out, will be really easy to do, because the Republican Party is also working to eliminate American soil. ?Comprendo?

They were calling it the ''Grand Old..''
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"...Party (GOP)" less than 4 months after the first county convention?

Mr. Wirs is counting on widespread American historical illiteracy to sell a pack of lies.

The Republican Party was created because its direct political predecessor, the Whig Party, had so "stunk up the joint" that it was effectively dead.

The basic tenets of the Whig Party - and therefore the Republican Party - didn't number *ANY* of the ten mushily articulated by Mr. Wirs) but merely three, as expressed by the character of Abraham Lincoln (running for the House of Representatives as a Whig candidate) in John Ford's movie *Young Mr. Lincoln* (1939):

"My politics are short and sweet, like the old woman's dance. I'm in favor of a national bank, of the internal improvement system, and high protective tariff."


In other words, he (and the Whig/Republican Party) favored inflation, porkslurping graft in the form of "bridge to nowhere" taxpayer-funded infrastructure projects, and price supports so that influential industrialists could screw the American consumer with higher prices.

And when you get right down to it, isn't that precisely what the "Rockefeller Republicans" like Mr. Wirs still determined to do to the nation?



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"I consider the foundation of the Constitution as laid on this ground: That 'all powers not delegated to the United States, by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States or to the people.' To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress, is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition.

"The incorporation of a bank, and the powers assumed by this bill, have not, in my opinion, been delegated to the United States, by the Constitution... They are not among the powers specially enumerated."

-- Thomas Jefferson, Opinion on creating a National Bank (1791)

ModMark:
Thanks for the compliment. Your concept is interesting, but I fear it is unworkable, because it requires compromise.

On the surface compromise sounds like a good thing, but is nominally unsatisfactory to all parties. Compromise is also temporary.

In theory concentrating on local elections is a way to create a political farm team. In reality it does not work very well.

Our system only allows for two powers: state and federal. Since the founding of our nation power has ebbed away from the states. The coup de grace to state sovereignty was the 17th amendment. States are without representation in Washington D.C.

The de facto situation we find ourselves in today, is the locus of all authority is in Washington. States now exercise only so much power as the national government allows.

If we are to save our republic, we must join together and take control of the legislative and executive branches. If we could wrest control of only the executive branch we could set the stage for a take over of the legislative, by removing the source of federal power: the money.

Third Party
Until the ignorant, stupid, and cowardly dumb masses break free from the two party mindset, it'll be difficult for a third party to prevail.

Despite having that knowledge, I've voted third party in the past and will do so in the future.

ModMark:
Sorry I was away from my desk for a time.

Actually what I had in mind was to let the people keep more of their money. State and local government is no better at spending taxpayer money wisely than are the Feds.

Much of what the states do is mandated by the Feds. And it is not just the confiscated dollars that are being wasted, it is also the regulatory burden that harms us.

I fear that the tentacles of the federal government are inextricably entwined in the mechanism of the states. I think that those of us that want freedom must set our sites on the heart of the beast, not its limbs.

Side comment
I learned somewhere, the publisher who said "Go west, young man" was quoted, when writing of the new political party "Any party formed to banish slavery should be given the great name Republican." Sure enough, the Civil War was led by the Republican and Democratic parties, and kept the war going up and through Bull Connor, Gov. Farbus, etc., and today we are still separated by the two parties on opposite sides whenever race raises it's ugly head.
Mati

alisa-w - And other 3rd-party fans...
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Says alisa-w:

"I do not see the Libertarians as making much of an effort to position themselves. Do they even have a candidate? The Constitution Party is the largest growing third party in America and they will have a candidate in April. Some of their potential candidates are less religious-based than others. We'll have to see. But you really don't get very far in the battle to change things without a strong affirmative effort to do so. I don't see other third parties making that effort at present. So will happily overlook flaws in a third-party."


The Libertarian Party doesn't select a presidential ticket until the National Convention, which will be held in Denver, 22-26 May. The various state parties select Libertarian congressional and state office candidates at their respective conventions during any given election year.

However, what you and the other commmentators here supporting "third party" options to the morally and constitutionally bankrupt GOP *have* to understand is that there's no way for any such alternative to work.

The Evil and the Stupid Parties have spent the last four decades ensuring that it simply can't happen.

They've done it through "campaign finance" laws.

In 1968, Gene McCarthy - using copious spending in the primaries funded by a few *VERY* wealthy contributors - unseated an incumbent president.

What, you don't think LBJ announced that he would not "seek...another term as your President" on 31 March simply because he was old and weary?

He'd lost control of the Socialist - Er, Democrat - Party.

From the '70s forward, the Permanent Institutional Incumbent Party (both the Evil and the Stupid wings) have worked hard together to make sure that nothing like that ever happens again.

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you forgot to mention...
Crazy for God is not just a good read, however. It is historically important for its description of the emergence of abortion as a banner that united very diverse strains and sects within the Anabaptist and Calvinist traditions of Protestantism into a political force that was able--tragically!--to influence presidential and congressional elections and to move the US Supreme Court closer to right wing activism. Frank Schaeffer was highly instrumental in this movement, about which he has strong second thoughts.

alisa-w - Campaign finance laws...
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About a week ago, there was a concise and intelligible discussion held in Washington to address the deliberately murderous impact of campaign finance laws that have been crafted to suppress internal party insurgents (like McCarthy in '68 and Ron Paul in the present election cycle) and to completely foreclose third-party options. A recording is available online at:

http://www.catomedia.org/archive-2008/cbfa-03-13-08.mp3

For alisa-w (and the rest of you guys), I strongly suggest that you listen to it.

At one point, Ed Crane observes: "...this campaign finance legislation does not recognize that money is a proxy for information, and people need more information, but it's designed to protect incumbents and to rigidify the political system."

To put it succinctly, the reason you've been screwed by the RNC into the presidential nomination of George Soros' bent-over booty-boy - John Sidney McCain III - this year is because of *PRECISELY* the kind of legislation that Johnie was so proud to shove up the nation's butt back in 2002.





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"...I argue that the victory of McCain-Feingold—indeed, the sheer existence of almost all federal campaign finance law — is reason for lamentation, not rejoicing. For more than three decades the federal government has widened its ambit over the financing of electoral struggle, making everything from small contributions to advertising for political documentaries a matter of government control and oversight. Today no one should exercise his or her First Amendment right to freedom of speech without advice from counsel, preferably one schooled in the intricacies of campaign finance regulation. In the United States, speech is no longer very free in any sense of the word."

-- John Samples



SJ Doc
Good things don't always come easy...or quick.

It may be improbable, but, it's not impossible for a third party candidate to win. Hey, if more people had voted with me for Perot, he would have won!

I stand by me earlier post. The only thing preventing a third party victory is the ignorance, stupidity, and cowardice of the dumb masses.


This article is based on my blog
See http://grandoldpartisan.typepad.com -- each day, Grand Old Partisan celebrates 154 years of Republican heroes and heroics.

Michael Zak
http://www.republicanbasics.com

Greg B - But Perot couldn't found...
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...a third-party option precisely because of campaign finance laws.

Says GregB:

"It may be improbable, but, it's not impossible for a third party candidate to win. Hey, if more people had voted with me for Perot, he would have won!"


Perot could spend his own money to support his own election, but campaign finance laws in force even then completely denied him the ability to fund any *OTHER* candidate.

Meaning no hope for any third party to survive his candidacy and extend the message he was trying to voice.

Does *ANYBODY* reading this comment understand that if the McCain-Feingold Bipartisan "No More Uppity Troublemakers" Incumbent Protection Act of 2002 had been in effect in 1980, Ronald Reagan could never have gotten the GOP nomination?

Don't blame the "dumb masses" for their inability to articulate the voice of insurrection against the Bipartisan "Boot on Your Neck" Party.

They've been muzzled, blinded, and struck dumb by act of Congress, signed into law by George W. Bush.

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SJ Doc
Disregard the funding issue. The point I'm trying to make is much more simple.

My point is this: If a third party candidate gets the most votes, he still wins, despite that he's a third party. Right?

And, despite the strongarm tactics of the two parties, I will continue to hold the ignorant, stupid, and cowardly dumb masses most accountable for this mess. The people have the power to change the balance...yet they don't. The people elected and re-elected the clowns that got us here. And this election season will be no different.



Greg B - More important than who votes..
--
...is who gets to *COUNT* the votes.

Hell, the reason why we got "Camelot" in 1961 was because in 1960 the Daley Machine "voted the cemetaries" in Cook County for Kennedy, thereby throwing Illinois' electoral votes into the (D) column.

No matter what else I might say about Nixon, that filty scumbucket was a smart enough filthy scumbucket to recognize that the filthy, rotten system in which he still hoped for success should not be tampered with.

He'd need that kind of corruption in future, and he was certainly able to depend on it in '68 and '72.

But says Greg B:

"If a third party candidate gets the most votes, he still wins, despite that he's a third party. Right?"


Not if he can't get his message out to enough people to convince them (a) that it's in their interest to vote for him, and (b) that they won't be "throwing their votes away" by casting their ballots in his support.

To do that, he has to communicate with a lot of people.

He can't do that without big media "buy" ability.

That takes money, and "Campaign Finance Reform" was specifically enacted to prevent any such candidate - independent of the "mainstream" parties or as a challenger within either of those parties - to raise that kind of money, or even to establish a mechanism to rival either of the "mainstream" parties in terms of their abilities in fundraising or what the marketers call "brand loyalty."

Remember Ed Crane's remark I'd quoted above?

"Money is a proxy for information."

And information control is how the Evil and the Stupid Parties make sure that they retain power.

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REPUBLICAN SENATOR SUGGESTS NEED
FOR NEW PARTY

"U.S. Senator Chuck Hagel writes in a new book that the U.S. needs independent leadership and possibly another political party, while suggesting the Iraq war might be remembered as one of the five biggest blunders in America's history."

"In his new book 'America: Our Next Chapter', Hagel writes, 'In the current impasse, an independent candidate for the presidency, or a bipartisan unity ticket, could be very appealing to Americans'."

also:

"a reckless foreign policy that's divorced from strategic context."

and: the Iraq invasion was "the triumph of the so-called neo-conservative ideology, as well as Bush administration arrogance and incompetence."

-------------------------------------------------

It amazes we we have so many republican senators defecting from the Bush administration foreign policy position over the last couple years, as well as general after general after general (who are fired or "retire"), yet the - kool-aid drinkers? here at TH - still support an unwinnable war.

SJ Doc
Please don't misunderstand. I and the others recognize the difficulty - the near futility - of the 3rd party vote. And thanks to the 3rd party nay-sayers, the existing system will continue to thrive.

Third party candidates usually don't win because not enough people vote for them. That is the reason...any other explanation is just an excuse.

Are you suggesting that we 3rd party'ers fall in line with the dumb masses and vote for *ssholes we don't want. You can, I won't.

Only the person casting the vote can decide whether their vote was wasted or "thrown away."

Republicans are better
I am, and shall remain, a Republican. I reject the idea that we are founded as a Christian nation or that tyranny, so long as it is localized, ought to be passed off as "liberty." It is radical secessionists and its theocratic allies who are the real RINOs.

SJ Doc
"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote was never lost." John Quincy Adams

Just saw this on a different post.

Happy 154th
As a conservative, and a vet - I'd like to say that....

I just about lost it when I got to the part about competence.In what decade was that written?

I have zero intention of voting for McCain.If I had any intention of voting for a Democrat - I'll vote for one who has made up their mind to be a Democrat. Not one hiding under the GOP's skirt. One who has openly denigrated conservatives. McCain-Kennedy, McCain _____, you name the Democrat's.

I feel George Bush has been the best President Mexico has ever had.

As to the ex GOP majority in Congress - maybe if their alliegance had been to American citizens and our laws, instead of blindly supporting - our President regardless, ignoring calls for border enforcement, outsourcing industry with well paying jobs, allowing endless unenforced visa programs and trade regulations - maybe, just maybe they would not be in the minority.




ModMark
Greetings!

It's way back in the thread, and I'm tempted just to let it go, but I have to respond to your suggestion in a couple of places that Christians should "leave their Bibles at home" when engaging in politics. In other words, one's faith should not bleed through into one's engagement in the political process.

Why not?

Why can I not demand that you leave your atheism at home when you take part in American political life?

You know that I both like and respect you, Mark, so please don't be offended as I point out that this is in fact a subtle form of anti-Christian bigotry. It's so pervasive among the "enlightened" classes in our country, that I don't blame for not seeing it that way; but it's still bigotry.

How and why should I build a wall between my faith and my vote? Religious liberals are not asked to build a wall between their faith and their votes. Quite the contary, they are encouraged to preach their social gospel.

Why the inconsistency?


Norman
Atheists are not promoting "atheism" in the public square. We're promoting religious neutrality in the public square. Learn the difference.

You don't want Scientologists & Muslims promoting THEIR specific religious agendas in government, do you?

Nobody is threatening to take religion AWAY from you.

Will
No one could take my religion away from me. With all due respect, that is a disingenuous red herring that misses the point completely (and, I think, deliberately).

You're telling me to keep my religion to myself, to--in effect--"stay in the closet."

Isn't that just what homosexuals have objected to for year.

I'm for everyone doing and thinking as they please.

Jesus Christ is the foundation of my life. That's not supposed to influence how I think, and hence how I vote? It is fundamental to who I am.

You are homosexual. That is, I gather from your posts, fundamental to who you are. You promote your views in the public square, but don't want me to have the same right. Curious.

As for Scientologist and Muslims promoting their views, that's fine with me.

Only through unfettered, cleanly conducted, non-personalized, issue-oriented debate can the best idea emerge.

I believe that God, as revealed in the Old and New Testaments, is the fountain of truth. You believe differently. I am willing to hear you out, and then--responding specifically to your points--explain to you why I disagree.

That's true tolerance--let everyone speak and be heard, and then respect the informed decisions that people make.

Telling another person to compartmentalize his life, to keep his mouth shut on certain issues, is the very essence of intolerance.

I wouldn't try to stop you from advocating for homosexual issues, even if I had the power to. That would be completely wrong.

Conversely, you ARE telling ME to keep my religion private, to "shut up" about what matter to me most.



You are intolerant, whether you're willing to admit it or not.

Apologies to All (and to Will, a Request
Sorry for moving the thread away from bashing Wirs (which is, I must confess, the only reason I check these posts--I just love seeing the REAL grassroots come up with brilliant items like Chuck's description of Wirs' latest effort as a "RINO-gram"--beautiful!).

I just want to sit back and watch the lovely, sweet, glorious RINO bashing continue.

Will, if you want to continue this thread (which I'll be glad to do), let's do it over at my Blog (just click on my name). You can post to any of the items there (even if it's not relevant to this particular topic), and I promise to respond.

By the way, Will, please don't mistake anything in what I wrote--even the "you are are intolerant" statement--as evidence of disrespect. I respect your right to express your opinion, and am eager to engage you in a respectful discussion. I just don't think this is right forum.

I'm not Luis, nor are most of us on the Christian right. Hope we can discuss this further on my blog. Thanks, Will.

Help, please!
Does anyone have the address for the RNC? I'd like to forward them a copy of this article 'cause I'm pretty sure they lost theirs. Or their minds . . . whatever . . .

Hi, LL
Not sure if that was a serious request, or just an understandable expression of frustration!

Either way, here 'tis:

Republican National Committee
310 First Street
Washington, D. C. 20003
p/202.863.8500 | f/202.863.8820 | e/info@gop.com


Blessings,

Norman

Greg B - Gawd, no!
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Misapprehends Greg B:

"Are you suggesting that we 3rd party'ers fall in line with the dumb masses and vote for *ssholes we don't want. You can, I won't."


Me? One of the guys who walked out on Richard Milhouse Nixon when the sonofabitch closed the gold window in '71 and thereafter helped found the Libertarian Party?

Not on your tintype.

Under circumstances such as obtain at present - where the Republican Party is going to lose these elections just as horribly as (and for the same reasons that) they lost the Congressional elections in 2006 - I strongly advocate that dissidents vote for identified "third party" candidates instead of write-ins whenever possible.

Particularly in races predicted to be "tight."

L. Neil Smith noted a few years ago that only when the GOP sees the loss of votes to Libertarian candidates rise to the level at which it's at or above the contending Democrat candidates' margins of victory will the RNC see the necessity of standing for American conservative principles on a firm constitutionalist platform.

As I've observed in Townhall before, libertarian voters are the Republicans' to lose.

But the Stupid Party *IS* the stupid party, and the "Rockefeller Republicans" can no more avoid sucking up to the "Liberals" than my son-in-law's dog can avoid piddling on the rug every time she hears a man raise his voice.

Until we rub their noses in the fact that *REAL* conservative voters are not "automatically" going to support whatever RINO putz the RNC wants to defecate onto the ballot, we're going to be treated with precisely the same contempt that's been shown throughout the present election cycle.

Third parties can't win power.

But they can sure screw up the Stupid Party's ability to do so.

--

Well said, SJ Doc
I'm going third-party this year, for just that reason.

If the GOP puts up any actual conservatives at the local or state level, I'll vote for them, but I don't think that's likely.

No way I could EVER vote for McCain.

The irony is, though, that with the successful re-taking of the GOP by the country club types, maybe it is WE who are now the "RINO's."

I'm willing to change that, though, by no longer identifying with the GOP at all. I'll keep an open mind if they stop dumping on conservatives, but I honestly don't see that happening until they lose BIG in November.

The next four years are going to stink, no matter who gets elected; the Dems might as well take the blame. I see no reason at all to vote for McCain.

Here's hoping for a better 2012.

Norman
I will check out your blog over the weekend.

And apologies on my end, too, if I came across as brash & condescending (I re-read my post). I have been reading a good deal of Thomas Jefferson in my free time & I find it appalling (as would Tom) that evangelical american citizens might want to, say, legislate the Book of Revelations to conform with our Israeli foreign policy (Israel is supposed to be the "staging ground" for a "final conflict" shortly after "the Rapture" - as described in Revelations - when Jesus is to lift up all the believing bodies to heaven - yes, there are some religious people that advocate a specific american-israeli foreign policy based on biblical prophesy... not the neo-cons, who are largely jewish, but some evangelicals).

I only want sanity to drive our foreign policy. Not folklore, mythology or biblical prophesy.

No problem, Will
I understand where you're coming from politically (though not socially or personaly, I confess), since I was once an atheistic leftist. I respect your (and everyone's) right to advocate freely whatever you believe.

Reciprocal respect for freedom of speech is the sine qua non of reasoned discourse. This alone would keep my from EVER voting for the author of McCain-Feingold.

I'm not big on the "left behind" series, personally, for whatever that's worth. :-)

I am, however, what you would probably describe as a Biblical "literalist" and even (horrors!) a "fundamentalist."

:-)

Anyway, perhaps we can hash that out over on my Blog, and leave this thread to the appropriately enthusiastic Wirs-bashing.


Cheers!

Norman

Mr. Wirs, what you
are describing is NOT the Republican Party that we see in action now, nor has it been for a long time. I just found myself scrolling down and laughing/crying at the same time.

The RNC will not see one penny of mine (nor any volunteer help) donated until they actually practice what they preach.

ModMark:
You've made some very good points. Your assessment of the impact of the religious right on politics is quite accurate.

ModMark
InsightingTruth is right. You do make some good points, but I don't think you've gotten to the heart of why religious people should not allow their faith to influence their daily lives (which naturally includes voting and civics generally).

I may not have been clear enough, but that was really all I was asking.

Still, you raise some really good points. I liked the observation about Reagan's irregular church attendance and his appeal to Libertarians particularly.

Since we're already way off of the appropriate use of this thread (bashing Wirs' toadying for his new GOP masters), give me until Saturday to put something about this on my blog. I'm due for a new entry, and this is really interesting stuff.

Thanks, as always. Cheers!

GOP Has Come Full Circle
The Republican Party's beginning is such that the present day GOP is really very like the party was at the start.

I wrote an essay on Lincoln and the start of the GOP.

You can see it at http://alicelillieandher.blogspot.com/2005_05_01_archive.h tml

Just scroll down a ways to see the part on Lincoln. Please leave comments! All opinions are welcome.

No worries, Mark!
Hope to see you over at the blog! Cheers!
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