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Wednesday, November 21, 2007
Paul  Weyrich :: Townhall.com Columnist
A Guide to Federal Spending Out of Control
by Paul Weyrich
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One of the reasons the Democrats won that resounding victory in the 2006 elections is that Republicans lost their way. In the 109th Congress there was profligate spending which would have made President Lyndon B. Johnson blush. Following the 2006 elections the Party leadership resolved that the GOP was going to get back on track. The leadership determined that spending was again going to be a major issue for the Republicans.

Toward that end, Minority Whip Roy Blunt (R-MO) has produced a booklet to help GOP Members of Congress "in making the case for a smaller, less intrusive, more efficient and more effective federal government."

The idea, said Blunt, is to provide Members, staff and those interested in the issue with an easy-to-use instrument to craft speeches, prepare for interviews and write op-eds for newspapers.

The booklet can be downloaded at http://republicanwhip.house.gov/UploadedFiles/FINAL_Little_Gov't.pdf. Among those assisting Blunt in the project were Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH), Conference Chairman Adam H. Putnam (R-FL), and Chief Deputy Republican Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA).

The Majority in the House of Representatives, for example, has passed measures thus far which would triple the rate of inflation and almost triple economic growth. The extra money required to pay for these new spending bills would be raised by spending the surplus and raising taxes.

The Majority's spending plan, the booklet says, can be put into context as follows. At $2.9 trillion the level of spending is incomprehensible. But the more common figure of $1 billion is understood as follows:

* If you went on a spending spree of $1,000 today and every day you would have to shop for the next 2,740 years.

* A billion minutes ago the Roman Empire was flourishing.

* Yet the Federal Government spent $1 billion in the last three and one half hours.

The booklet explains the national debt as follows: As of July 31, 2007, the national debt, the sum total of all of our annual deficits, was $8.9 trillion. With a population of 302.6 million people, that works out to $29,500 for every man, woman and child in the United States.

That calculates as follows: Debt owed to the Public: $5.0 trillion and debt owed to Government trust funds $3.9 trillion. We owe $320 billion to Medicare, $1.9 trillion to Social Security and $857 billion for the retirement of Federal employees.

The Majority plans to borrow $454 billion next year to finance the Government. Of this, $202 billion will be financed by borrowing 100% of the Social Security Trust Fund surplus. In fact, over the next five years, the Federal Government will borrow $1.2 billion from the surplus in the Social Security Trust Fund. Of course, the booklet points out, when that money is needed to pay benefits, the Government either will be required to borrow more money or to raise taxes.

These figures might prove useful. The Tax Foundation reports that Americans will spend every dime of their first 70 days working for the Federal Government and an additional 41 days working for state and local governments. That means it would be May 1st before an employer could work for himself to spend 62 days for housing, 30 days for food and 13 days for clothing. Those figures merely are an average. In some states the figure is much higher.

In 2001 the Internal Revenue Code contained 1,685,000 words, 380 times that of the United States Constitution. Internal Revenue Service regulations contained 6,752,000 words, about 8 1/2 times the words in the King James Bible.

The Blunt booklet contains interesting information about eternal Federal programs, Federal regulations which stifle free enterprise, the looming entitlement crisis and much, much more. It is useful for every head of household, indeed every voter, to have around. In this era of remarkable technology, it will be possible to download in your browser the booklet by typing the web address mentioned above.

But I warn you, once you read and digest all of the data in the "Little Book of Big Government," you won't be able to put it down and moreover you will become part of the tax revolt in this country. You will demand that Congressmen and Senators cut back on government spending and your friends won't want to see you coming as you demand that they understand the looming entitlement crisis. What are friends for if not to bother them on issues!

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Budget
Rhode Island elects Democrats, Dems by the carload and the public sector unions run rampant. It is a long standing tradition. Forty states delared a surplus this past year. Rhody is looking at a half billion dollar deficit next year. The tax level here is among the highest in the nation and likely will be inreased to cure the "crisis". It seems no social program can be cut as most are for the children, the elderly and the poor including illegals and all have their whining "advocates".

Watch our agony and learn.

There is already a book out
about how to control Federal spending - the Constitution! Let's not try to re-invent the wheel, believe me Blunt's not that smart.

Return the Federal government to the size constrained by the Constitution and we wouldn't have this run-away spending. Our representatives in Congress have sworn to uphold the Constitution, and Ron Paul makes them look like liars and thieves. No wonder they shun him. It's hard to be friends with someone who reminds you that you are a liar and a thief. After all, this principle was the true cause of Jesus' murder.

I am not saying that Paul is a saint, but when a story like this comes out - the pieces just sort of fall in place. It all starts to make sense. I have supported Paul since he decided to run, but as I searched for reasons to dampen my enthusiasm, each unearthed point has just increased my resolve that we are destroying our own country, and it's time for us to plot a new course. Fortunately, the Founders wrote a map - instead of trying to re-invent it or work around it, maybe we should just follow it.

Vote Ron Paul.

Yes the Lamocrats ran
on a conservative platform to cut spending and only raise taxes on the "rich".

I hope that everyone, besides true conservatives, now know that like normal, they were lying.

Vic
We also know that the Republicans were and are lying as well. That's the problem. When it comes to spending - it never goes down - it only goes up. Blunt was in the leadership in the last congress, and now he's suddenly gotten off the cool aid? Tell that to those 153 Republicans who voted to over-ride Bush's last veto - or to those that will vote to over-ride the ag bill veto as well. Frankly, the poster who commented on the constitution is the only one who has meaningful input. But that's not going to happen with the current system. No matter who Americans' vote for, spending will rise. It always has. Washington and Fiscal responsibility is a contradiction. You won't get it voting for Democrats, and you won't get it voting for Republicans - as both have proved. All they know is how to shovel pork to their constituents in order to be able to go home and tell them how much they've helped out their district. And so they do.

Why No Complaints?
I hear conservative complaints about spending for domestic programs. I don't hear conservative complaints about any of the following:

1) Our new embassy in Baghdad (capital of country we supposedly are eager to hand over to the Iraqis) is ten times the size of our average embassy abroad. The size of the Vatican, it is not a building but a self-contained fortified city occupying 104 acres of prime downtown land. It includes 21 buildings including 6 apartment buildings meant to house over 1000 employees; sewage treatment, power, and water processing plants; full recreational and social facilities; a 16,000 square foot Ambassadorial residence; and a 17,000 square foot commissary. Its overrun cost now approaches $750 million and it is projected to cost over $1 billion per year to operate. Unfortunately, so much of the construction has been substandard (parts are already falling down) that the facility is still unable to open.

2) In 2006 alone, the Pentagon spent over $1 billion on recruitment and retention bonuses. When Americans hear the phrase "the cost of the Iraq war" they think in terms of bullets, bombs, helmets, planes, and MREs. They have not really been told how much taxpayers are spending just to lure our young to serve in Iraq---and to stay there (the Army desertion rate has risen 42% in the last year and 80% since 2003) (refs slate.com 11-13-07; AP 11-16-07).

3) Privately contracted paramilitary personnel serving in the Middle East (like Blackwater) are paid astronomical salaries. They operate under no law, destroying whatever else is being done to influence Middle Eastern "hearts and minds". Your tax dollars at work.


Eban
The Republicans who go along with the increased spending are not real Republicans. They are RINOs. What I see is that 100% of the Lamocrats and about 10% of the Republicans.

You've got to be joking.
"The idea, said Blunt, is to provide Members, staff and those interested in the issue with an easy-to-use instrument to craft speeches, prepare for interviews and write op-eds for newspapers."

Have our representatives ever heard of the "Constitution"???

Here's a crazy idea. The federal government should only have power that expressly given in the Constitution. Anything else is left up to the states and the people.

How's that for "a booklet to help GOP Members of Congress "in making the case for a smaller, less intrusive, more efficient and more effective federal government."?

I know, I know, it will never fly. The Constitution doesn't give the government enough power to throw pork around with every bill.

This is why I support Ron Paul and/or the Libertarian party.

lilly
All of those things you mention are worthy of much complaint, you bring up very valid points.

Those that don't complain about those things are not true conservatives in my opinion.

But lilly, forgive me if I don't take your arguments seriously when you post about issues of government spending. From your comments in the past you support big government in other ways. Maybe not the current Republican big government, but the Liberal big government or more of a welfare state. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

The federal government should be kept in check by the Constitution, which they aren't today, and haven't been in a long time.

I know why
Fundementalist conservatives simply cannot operate big government. They have totally failed. Spending thru the room, international debacles and failure everywhere, New Orleans gone, Drought running rampant, Economy in deep trouble, National debt screaming up, They had their chance and failed on a scale seldom seen in history. The other important point is that the whole core of their demands is to skip out on debts to owe from past generations to future generations. they simply are deadbeats skipping out on responsinbility

Things must be slow over at
the Huff and Puff because our resident liar has shown up.

Vic
And the truth will set you free so accept and realise.

Working on a Huff piece now

Hey Hal
So let me get this straight. The drought (I live in Atlanta) is somehow the fault of conservatives? Huh? What did they stop where their rain dance shoes last year. I don't agree with any of your assertions but blaming the drought on anything BUT the weather is just absurd.

C'mon!

elong
"So let me get this straight. The drought (I live in Atlanta) is somehow the fault of conservatives? Huh? What did they stop where their rain dance shoes last year. I don't agree with any of your assertions but blaming the drought on anything BUT the weather is just absurd."

Absolutely correct but what is being done now to prepare for disaster? What has been done planning and execution wise? And think Georgia is the ONLY state trending more red. Did the rain dance help? I think you may need more professional help


Vic
Tell that to the Republicans. After all, a majority of those who call themselves Republicans may be RINO's, but they still call themselves Republicans. And, needless to say, until the GOP boots out tht 1/2 or more of their party, Republicans as you define them, and as I am, have nothing to vote for other than a continuation of business as usual. Unfortunately, most people who call themselves Republican don't differentiate.

Eben
I hope you succeed

Why Is It that...
Why is it that the most liberal, most Democratic voting states are the biggest economic power houses of the country. CA, NY, MA, NJ, WA,PA etc.

In comparison, the most die hard GOP voting states are akin to Americas third world. They are the poorest and most backwards. MS,LA, AL,etc.

If GOP politics are so...great for business, why haven't all those corporate entities in CA, NY, NJ, WA, PA etc. moved to Alabama? Why doesn't the stock exchange move to Louisiana? Why haven't all the NYC bankers and hedge fund managers moved to Arkansas.

When do you think Microsoft will be relocating to Mississippi? Never. They need highly educated, intelligent people. There aren't enough to be found in the deep south. They would have to ship them in. The problem with this is, these people would never put up with the third world conditions of these areas.

Conclusion. Backwards,uneducated, poor people vote strongly for Republicans. Progressive, wealthy, forward thinking people vote strongly Democrat.

The evidence is right there. Where are you likely to find more self made millionaires? CA or MS? NY or KY? I guess Democrats aren't as bad for business as some here would like to think.

Same goes for countries
Western Europe is very liberal,progressive and wealthy. Eastern Europe is still very conservative,religious, backwards and POOR.

The link holds true again.

The Scandinavian countries. Very wealthy. Very high standards of living. Very,very,very liberal.

Most middle eastern countries, very poor. Very low standard of living. Very, very, very, conservative.

The link holds true again.

budbud
that kind of logic will cause silence I suspect

budbud writes:
Same goes for countries
Western Europe is very liberal,progressive and wealthy. Eastern Europe is still very conservative,religious, backwards and POOR.


Then kindly explain why most Western European countries have unemployment approaching, at, or above double digits, have ecnomies which are just barely getting by with growth rates around 1-1.5%.

Maybe you forgot one major salient fact about Eastern Europe, most of those countries are stilltrying to rebuild infrastructure and economies devasatated by 40+ years of Soviet domination.

The exceptions to the above would be the Baltics, and Poland religious, capitalist, and growing wealthy.

Lumberjack7392
Economicly the EU is larger than the US economy by the way. Why don't you answer budbud's questions first

Hal
What did your post even mean?

"Absolutely correct but what is being done now to prepare for disaster? What has been done planning and execution wise? And think Georgia is the ONLY state trending more red. Did the rain dance help? I think you may need more professional help"

Hal, it's a drought! While I will agree that poor planning in the city of Atlanta in terms of unbridled growth have not helped. Incidently, the city of Atlanta is hopelessly Democratic and saw the dollar signs of an ever increasing tax base with no regard to infrastructure. Just look at Bill Campbell's mayoral reign.

You may also want to ask the Feds and the corps of engineers about the water problem. The Corps, last year lowered one of the lakes in North Georgia by EIGHT FEET BY MISTAKE because their gauges were incorrect!

budbud
That is the same lame and idiotic argument that HalD put forth a month ago. I will tell you the same thing I told him. Comparing the entire State is like comparing apples to oranges. If you wish to compare the State of MS to inner city Boston, that would be fair. How about it?

MS, AL, GA, and SC all contain heavy concentrations of you Lamocrats favorite constituency. When the States of MA and NY are 40% black I will give your comparisons some credit.

Oh and BTW
A lot of those industries ARE moving out of those blue States and into the so-called RED States.

Federal Spending
Even with all of the extra spending for the war on terror Defense still comprises only 20% of the federal budget. And "a common defense" is mandated by the Constitution.

Social Security and Welfare comprise 63% of the budget. These are not mandated by the Constitution and SS is spiralling out of control.

Liberals can carry on all they want about how we need to cut back on Defense so we can afford to pay for social programs, but we've already tried it and it doesn't work.

In 1995 there a showdown between Newt Gingrich and Bill Clinton over the budget. Gingrich lost. He gave Clinton cuts in Defense to honor the Contract with America because Clinon insisted that social spending would not be sacrificed to balance the budget.

As a result of this, federal entitlements continued to grow throughout the 1990's and soldiers families were on food stamps while al Qaeda ran wild and perpetrated attack after attack against our troops and our embassies.

Clinton even managed to overspend the "balanced" budgets so that our national debt increased by at least $105 billion every year he was in office.

No libs, you don't get it your way anymore. When we agree to let you have it your way you just abuse it even more. If you want to balance the budget you're going to have to give up some of your precious social spending, earmarks, and pork.

Don't tell me that NPR, PBS, and the National Endowment for the Arts are more important than the military, the FBI, and the CIA. Not buying it. We tried it your way and we more debt, more bureaucracy, and 9/11.

It's time to do it our way.


Vic
Averages blend those parts together. The south is poorer and weaker

elong
"Hal, it's a drought! While I will agree that poor planning in the city of Atlanta in terms of unbridled growth have not helped. Incidently, the city of Atlanta is hopelessly Democratic and saw the dollar signs of an ever increasing tax base with no regard to infrastructure. Just look at Bill Campbell's mayoral reign."

That is the State of Georgia's problem too and are all the burbs and the county D too?

"You may also want to ask the Feds and the corps of engineers about the water problem. The Corps, last year lowered one of the lakes in North Georgia by EIGHT FEET BY MISTAKE because their gauges were incorrect! "

That is my whole point LOL you fundamentalist conservatives cannot run a government larger than a town from the looks of it. You run the FEDS and they have done NOTHING right when did we last have a federal government that lost a whole city

Having lived...
...overseas for a number of years, I can refute some of the fallacies posted here. Scandinavia is NOT wealthy; it is two atomic seconds from being broke. Germany IS broke, and still raising the tax burden of its citizens, from 19% to 21.5% come next September.On top of that, Germany's immigration policy of giving 25,000E/member of family to incoming Russians,and other perks for the immigrants from the Middle East is a huge strain on their economy. France is suffering from "I-don't-want-to-work-40-hours-a-week-but-still-want-the-same-paycheck" syndrome, something Sarkozy is trying to overcome.

Oh, and by the way, the city with the most millionaires per capita happens to be Athens, TX.

Hal Doofus writes:
Lumberjack7392
Economicly the EU is larger than the US economy by the way. Why don't you answer budbud's questions first

Mainly because, he uses the good old fallacy of Hasty Generalization. I noticed he kinda left out Texas, Florida, North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona and Oklahoma in his list of wealthy states. Maybe he could explain why all those good liberal, high tax, regulatory nightmare states are losing population and industries ,and corporate headquarters to the South and Southwest.

Hal: Explain why the unemployment rate is so much higher in Wesetern Europe, economic growth is stagnant, and the Scandinavians are starting to question their tax rates. More importantly why did both France and Germany recently elect pro-American more conservative leaders, Merkel and Sarkozy.

Well, gotta run some errands after picking up the wife, at work. She's getting off early today. Back later.

Lumberjack7392
compare all the red against all the blue states and see what you get facts are horrible things.

Merkel and Sarkozy would both be classed as roaring liberals here LOL I guess you don't know much about their policies?

Really Vic?
Vic writes:
A lot of those industries ARE moving out of those blue States and into the so-called RED States



What are those companies. I live in the deep South and LA,MS,AL fight tooth and nail over ANY company that might even consider building a plant in the region. We fall all over ourselves giving away the bank to lure them to one state over the other.

Let's see, Alabama had to woo the Germans (Mercedes) and the Koreans (Hyundai) to come and rescue their ignorant impoverished citizenry.

Louisiana and Alabama just fought like dogs to win a manufacturing plant that's going to be built by a German Steel company.

The South now has to lick the boots of Europeans and Asians in hopes of getting any jobs for their people. We only get the low skilled manufacturing jobs down here because we are the third world of the U.S.. I guess there is something to Karma after all.

Vic. When is Microsoft relocating down my way?
What about Google? When are they relocating down yonder with my kinfolk?

I'll say it again.

Backwards,uneducated, poor people vote strongly for Republicans. Progressive, wealthy, forward thinking people vote strongly Democrat.

Aw...the U.S. aint number one...
And which country is currently rated the "richest"?

Luxembourg!

Yes. Luxembourg!

The U.S. doesn't even make second or third in most rankings.

As for the standard of living rankings, here's the truth.

1. Norway
2. Sweden
3. Canada
4. Belgium
5. Australia
6. United States
7. Iceland
8. Netherlands
9. Japan
10. Finland


Hmm...Look at all those Scandinavian countries. How can they be "one atomic second" away from bankruptcy and yet have some of the highest standards of living in the world?

I believe Zurich has the highest rating in the world for overall quality of life.

All you have to is
go to the census bureau and look. They don’t call the North the “Rust Belt” for nothing.

Budbud
They can be rated the number 1 in the World by the socialists but it doesn't mean anything. I have seen those ratings and just like everything you and HalD spew they are a lie.

Newsflash YLG
YLG Writes:
Having lived overseas for a number of years, I can refute some of the fallacies posted here. Scandinavia is NOT wealthy; it is two atomic seconds from being broke. Germany IS broke




YLG. Last time I checked, WE, the United States were technically "broke". We are borrowing money hand over fist from THE CHINESE to run our country!!!
We are running this entire country on credit and the bill is going to come due one day very soon!

Our money is losing value to the Euro and the British pound every day and wealthy investors are starting to trade in U.S. Dollars for Euros!

We have a tremendous trading deficit with CHINA, a communist country, and you're going to indict the economic well being of other nations?

China could destroy us tommorrow if they traded in all or even most of their Dollars for Euros. It's good to know we're so...much better off than those Scandinavians and Germans.

For budbud
Then can you explain why there are 660,000 non-citizen Canadians (most NOT on Green Cards, but on temp visas such as TN-1) in the US, and even more posting questions on immigration fora about working in US?

Contrast: fewer than 10,000 Americans on temp work status in Canada.

Your ranking is absolute twaddle.

budbud
Standard of living does not equate richest. I have also been to Luxembourg, to pay my respects at Hamm Cemetery. The people there have a different outlook to the European economy, btw. AND most wonder why they had to take a paycut when they converted to the Euro.

Have you been following the crisis in Belgium? The country is about to split due to the language and economic strains between the Walloons and the Flemish (the Flemish don't want to keep giving their tax revenue to the Walloons).

Nokia wants to leave Scandinavia due to the tax burdens, but cannot because it is partly owned by the country. Several major manufacturing plants, like LG and T-mobile, have already started to leave Germany for Czechoslovakia. It always boils down to taxes.

I believe the term 'richest' is defined by how little debt the go'vt has incurred. Standard of living is totally different.

svpallava, Vic
I wouldn't waste anymore time with budbud. His elitisism is showing.

A Lie. How convenient.
Vic Writes:
...I have seen those ratings and just like everything you and HalD spew they are a lie




When something doesn't support the conclusion Conservatives have already decided to hold, it is a lie I guess.

These ratings are a lie. Evolution is a lie. Dinosaurs are a lie. Global Warming is a lie. Studies that show abstinence only sex ed doesn't work are all lies. It goes on an on.

It must be so nice to have a ready made answer to any facts that may intrude upon that which you've allready decided to believe. If it upsets what you want to believe, it's a lie.

Just because you don't wan't something to be so, doesn't make it not so.

Why is everyone complaining?
I have a plan. The answer to all our problems is grow more trees and make more paper, to print more money. Problem solved! Spend away!! Borrow as much as you please and pay it back with worthless paper money, on the backs of the US Citizens who are working 6 months a year for the government already. So whats a few more months of labor.

Then we should let foreign corporations and people buy up all our real estate, companies and debt. So we can tax them, on their real money backed by gold and silver. And all the while, make the US Citizens pay for it all, over and over and over, generation after generation..

Then let the economy collapse and have starving people in the streets, begging for help from the government.

Rebuild, then do it all over again.

Oh, wait a minute, thats already in place. Darn it, just when I come up with a plan, someone else already thought of it.

Don't you hate when that happens?


One more shot
Yes a lie. Just like the so called health care ratings these rankings are developed to emphasize socialism. Heavier use of socialism gets higher ratings.

I could make up a new index that counted median wealth, number of cars, TVs, and other material possessions and the U.S. would be a clear winner since even the bottom 20% in the U.S. has more of these things than the median 20% in Europe. When most people think of “standard of living” that is what they think of. Not whether or not there is socialized health care or whether they have cradle to grave State care.

BTW
Just because you are a communist doesn't make you right.

The republicans lost
their way because they became like democrats wherein spending meant buying votes. Buying votes became the way to get re-elected and not by serving the public and the republic.

Fund Accounting
No, not "fun" accounting, but "Fund" Accounting. It is what governments all over America use to "account" for revenues and disbursements. It does little more than wink at true liabilities that are approaching out there on the horizon.

If the CEO of a publicly traded company reported his financial statements using fund accounting, he would be thrown into jail, and trading in the stock would be halted immediately.

This government should accrue liabilities when they vote to incur them. If we were to recognize those liabilities, the yearly deficit would be far in excess of what we are told, and the national debt would be triple of what was reported above.

Such is the nature of the power structure and spending structure in Washington that allows these aspiring billionaires to spend all of our money, and then some, and then ask for more.

loco
" republic""

Now theres a concept thats foreign in todays way of thinking.

Hal,lilly
Hal, continue to further the causes of public hysteria about nothing- don't worry, if we throw enough taxpayer dollars at them they'll go away.
Lilly the Pacifist.
From now on you only need to type your name and everyone will know your veiw on the topic-
Marxism good, capitalism bad.
I DON"T FEEL EQUAL!!!
WAAAAAAH! BOO HOO!
Too bad.
Sucks to be you I guess.

Spending
I'm ready to vote for any candidate whose platform is based on reduction of the real size of government by 1\3.
Not growth, SIZE.
Not simply ending pork, but ending governMENTAL programs that are in violation of the constitution, and eliminating altogether departments whose input has always exceeded their output: Education and Arts are two good places to start.

elong
Dont worry about HALD is is still pissed off becuse his hero SMURTHA is the leading candidate for using peoples money to build things that the people of his own state dont want(PORK). He will be HUFFING AND PUFFING if you talk about his hero SMURTHA you no the EX_MARINE who had our MARINES guilty before they were even on trial for the MURDERERS in HADYTHA.(NOT GUILTY) But dont talk about his buddy J EFFIN KERRY either you know the one who blamed own troops for being terrorist in the night in IRAQ. Its funny how they blame Bush for everything but nothing on their DEMOCRATIC CONTROLLED PARTY , you know the ones who can do something about everything and have the LOWEST RATING EVER IN THE HISTORY OF AMERICA

Vic
"All you have to is
go to the census bureau and look. They don’t call the North the “Rust Belt” for nothing."

Parts of MS and LA in that census are as bad or worse than Haiti. Why is that?

Anybody can make a list
Anybody can make a list and rank anything anyway they want. I have no doubt budbud got that list from someplace, but who made the list and what was the criteria for ranking?

Was personal freedom on the list? How about economic opportunity, you know, the ability to positively change your standing in life? How about the ability to chose your own doctor? How about the ability to purchase your own home? Were any of those items included on the list?

So, the list isn't really a lie, it's just meaningless.

The Economic Fiasco We Have Allowed
must now come to an end. In their quest for unending power, the elites have duped us with entitlements and pork barrel spending. They have, in effect, stolen our inheritance with our own money to keep themselves in power.

Our task ahead is to stop this continued accrual of power to the two major parties and restore our authority to govern our nation according to the Constitution, rule of law, and will of the people. To do so, we must break this hold on power of the two elite parties by denying them the Presidency in 2008. Nothing else will get their attention.

Do not fall for the DEM/GOP/MSM propaganda that we have no other choice, nowhere else to go! It isn't true, only a myth perpetuated by them to keep the us in check. If you are truly concerned about how the elites have stolen our birthright and put the future we will pass on to our children in great jeopardy, I urge you to visit my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG. You will find a clear and thorough explanation of the entire subject, and hope for our nation to meet the challenges ahead. Check it out, you will not be disappointed. Comments on the site are welcome. Thanks, Joe


chuck
LMAO I guess you realise it now huh? Fundementalist conservatism is exposed as a total failure across the board and the American people now know it. I guess it kind of shows why you guys supposedly hate big government well unless its in our bedrooms or bodies.

JefferyP
"Was personal freedom on the list?"

Think you have lots? Try to go to Cuba and see what happens. Wonder who is listening to your phones?

"How about economic opportunity, you know, the ability to positively change your standing in life? "

Only place with more is a third or fourth world country but only because chaos and corruption creates opportunities. This is our number one strong point

"How about the ability to chose your own doctor?"

Had that in Germany, France and the UK

"How about the ability to purchase your own home?"

That depends on where you live and work.

" Were any of those items included on the list?

So, the list isn't really a lie, it's just meaningless. "

Da Nile is not just a river in Africa LOL

HalD
Only the parts that are ran by the Lamocrats are like Haite.

itty bitty bud bud,
I feel sorry for you. Here you are stuck in the pore ol' impoverished, uneducated thus ignorant south with nowhere to go and no one to talk to. And, lord he'p us all, way up yonder in the north of the country, ya know, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and even Maine probably, for cryin' out loud, all just awaitin' on you to come on up. So, what's keepin' you?

You elite snobby SOB, I wouldn't give you the time of day if you WERE Bill Gates. I don't give a good greasy hot damn who you think you are, but you couldn't carry the water for the good, hard working folks of the south that I've had the privilege to live and work with. The farmers, fishermen, oil field hands, lumberjacks, truckers all toil diligently and provide an honest days work for an honest day's pay just to keep your lousy a$$ and those at Microsoft alive. Who the hell wants the stock market located here, or the UN, or Yankee Stadium, or even, Los Angeles for pity sakes. Ever been to Cut 'n' Shoot, Texas hotshot? I recommend you don't go. They don't like people like you. Neither do I.

Furthermore, since this country is a broke, derelict caricature of its former self, why aren't you helping it out by moving to the north country where all the people are doing so well? Or, even better, head to Luxembourg and help those good folks maintain their economic mastery.

I noticed you didn't have a comeback for YLG. Hard to spout bs when confronted by someone who knows what she's talking about.

For Donahue, the retired AF officer, how's that for silence, dipwad? By the way, every AF officer I knew, knew how to spell and punctuate. How's that dementia coming along by the way? Oh, I forgot. You don't have to do anything. You're in the majority. I can hear the nyah, nyah, nyah now.

HalD
I understand the mayor of Philadelphia wants to take everyone's guns because it is like Beirut.

Vic
"Only the parts that are ran by the Lamocrats are like Haite. "

Why is that? I mean really get it out tell us why part of the states are left abandoned?

Chopper John
budbud got to you huh? LOL

Vic
"I understand the mayor of Philadelphia wants to take everyone's guns because it is like Beirut."

Your point?

OK, a$$ breath,
you think it's funny when a creep demeans a segment of our country based on nothing but an elitist attitude, that's just fine with me. It fits right in with your useless persona. At least you spelled lol correctly.

HalD
You are really dense aren't you?

OK since HalD and the other liberals
have tried to change the topic to discuss the failure of their Lamocrat led urbane areas, I will repeat my post from 3 am to get us back on topic.

Vic writes: Wednesday, November, 21, 2007 3:03 AM
Yes the Lamocrats ran
on a conservative platform to cut spending and only raise taxes on the "rich".

I hope that everyone, besides true conservatives, now know that like normal, they were lying.


Vic/Chopper John
First point budbud was talking about his part of the country.
Second, he called attention to the fact that the more liberal the area, region, country, the wealthier, etc were the people.
Third, these are valid points to consider I think. Want another one? When NYC was attacked on 9/11 the city hardly slowed down except to pay respects. When the Washington area was attacked by two snipers they just about shut down the entire area. Why was that I wonder.... just a question

Chopper John
Wow, here I am, blushing at your defense of my post....Sigh...chivalry isn't dead.

I noticed budbud hightailed it out of here after I posted the obvious. What a moron.

As for Hal's assumption about DC, sorry, but the South doesn't claim that particular cesspool. It is a northern territory, as far as we uneducated, backward rednecks are concerned.

HALD
I know why the Government aint in your bedroom just look at you. If the military didnt throw you out then your wife sure should have. I bet you were chaptered becuase of your weight, or you sure are making good money for someone thats so eaten up by this poor economy. I think you are making a killing with PUFF the Magic HUFFINGTON. I still dont know why you blame REPS for big government when all the DEM Politician do is talk about Universal everything now that is what I call BIG GOVERNMENT. But we all know no matter who is Pres they will do the same know matter what they tell us. BIG GOVERNMENT BY ANYONE is CORRUPT.

YLG
Well below the Mason Dixon line last I checked. So by defination all yours. Isn't the area one of the wealthiest and best educated in the country?

Yeah you sound so uneducated and backward LOL. is your keyboard carved from granite or flint? All budbud was doing is pointing out that conservative areas seldom seem to prosper versus more liberal areas

congressional spending
the dims promised to end the corruption of congress but have only made things worse. The president however is a willing accomplice in the spending scandal. He proposed an almost 7% increase in funding govt programs. The dims responded by seeking an almost 10% increase in spending. There is no doubt that both parties are guilty of raiding the treasury to fund numermous fail;ed govt programs and enrich the coffers of their special interest partners. It is past time for congress and the president to stop this looting of the treasury. Pelosi and reid have failed to provide the leadership promised and like the repubs deserve their fate atr the last election. Only by stopping the growth of govt and putting an end to failed programs and stopping the absurd huge increases will the fiscal state of this country improve. If everyone else must live within a budget exactly what justifies the govt overspending the fed. budget

YLG, I feel
badly because, having read Michelle's column early this morning, and being moved to tears, I had decided that I would refrain from engaging with those whom I consider wastes of time for the most part. There are some subjects that I just can't stay away from, especially those aviation related, military related, and southern locale related. By pointing that out, can you guess anything about me? Anyway, I neither intended nor desired to enter into a conversation with the two 'wonder boys', and didn't even know butt butt existed, but sometimes I just can't stand by and listen to the merde ('scuse me) they put forth. I'm sure you understand. Besides, no way is some nitwit gonna have at you and get away with it.

Hal D
I don't see Germany, France or the UK rated above the USA on that list, either. So I believe you're proving my point about that list being meaningless.

Economic opportunity is present where the rule of law exists, where people have property rights and other individual rights and where people are free to pursue those dreams.

And you implying Cuba has more freedom than the USA?

chuck
Why the personal attack? I left the military happily and voluntarily after a charmed career of 20 years. My wife and I have been together 39 years now and yes she perhaps should have but her only flaw that I know of is poor taste in men LOL.

"I still don't know why you blame REPS for big government when all the DEM Politician do is talk about Universal everything now that is what I call BIG GOVERNMENT."

Reagan meant huge growth in government Bush meant even bigger growth in government. Fact check it out.

" But we all know no matter who is Pres they will do the same know matter what they tell us. BIG GOVERNMENT BY ANYONE is CORRUPT."

See having spent a lot of time on the hill I disagree until this regime where they started pay to play. Can you kill all corruption? nope but you can limit and punish it. You know come to think of it that may be why Fundamentalist conservatism failed so badly. If they wanted to eliminate all of something i.e. world hunger say and they would only do something that got all of it not just part - so they never did a thing. The perfect can often be the enemy of the good.

OK, Hal...
...you pass geography, but fail at sarcasm.

If you think DC is educated, please refer to your search engine. The quality of DC education is in the toilet, even with all the money the democrats have given them.

I said Southerners don't claim DC, not that DC was above the Mason-Dixon line. Ans as for my laptop, it is carved from LLANITE. I'm from Texas, after all. ;-)

Chopper John
It's almost like the song of a siren while out trying to find the Golden Fleece...;-)

I have told myself I wouldn't engage anyone today, and yet, I couldn't let that pompous excuse for snot type those thing without a rebuttal. And all he could say to me and Vic was, "liar, liar, pants on fire...!" Proof positive that a slug can type, just not reason...

Thanks for coming to my aid. I'm sitting here, swooning...! ;-)

YLG
DC metro area that is huge almost if not WV now. Central Texas too huh? DC education? That seems to be what happens when you have taxation wthout representation.


HALD
You knopw why the conservative areas seem different than the liberal areas? Thats a no brainer, You LIBS create progams to give everyone everything. Now thats what I call BIG STUPID GOVERNMENT. I believe people should earn what they get not get what they want because they make people think they need them. Why does the DEMS always have to use CHILDREN when they want to get something done. Just Like Clintoon getting rid of the deficet from cutting the Military in half. I know you were around for that one and I hope you werent proud of it.

JefferyP
"I don't see Germany, France or the UK rated above the USA on that list, either. So I believe you're proving my point about that list being meaningless."

I think I said he brought it up for discussion and it could have been good too but no one here wanted that discussion.

"Economic opportunity is present where the rule of law exists, where people have property rights and other individual rights and where people are free to pursue those dreams."

See only to an extent. There needs to be opportunity and inclusiveness and dare I say diversity. The old Soviet Union had rule of law - lots of them but had little openness and opportunity.

"And you implying Cuba has more freedom than the USA? "

No I am implying that we say free, free but do little to protect it. The conservatives of the 50's would be screaming in rage over identity cards etc. We are not the freest country by any means and we are getting less free and I see little protest. How can our government forbid us to travel where we want? We accept it? That is why I said Cube try and travel there you will be fined and could be jailed

YLG,
we are bouncing back and forth aren't we. Now tell me that you do understand completely, without any confusion or doubt, that I was just playing with you guys on the other article. No way would it be otherwise.

Limited government for a reason
Our constitution provides for a limited government for a very good reason. Government derives it's power from the people and as it grows, it diminishes the people's power.

GWB and company made a classic mistake: They assumed they could make big government good government if they were in charge. This type of conceit mirrors the fallacy of the socialists when they believe they can make socialism work if only they were put in charge.

Congress did they right thing when they cut tax rates and cutting the capital gains tax is arguably a big factor in the increases we've seen in federal revenue. (Presidents neither raise nor cut taxes, nor do they balance budgets.)

However, the GOP-controlled Congress failed to complement the cut in tax rates by also limiting spending. We now have record deficits because of too much spending, not too little taxes.

BTW: The last I heard, the mayor of NYC is a Republican and the local government of Washington DC is about 120% Democratic. Bloomberg is a RINO, but Giuliani was mayor during 9/11. I hope that help clear up some arguments here.

chuck
"You know why the conservative areas seem different than the liberal areas? Thats a no brainer, You LIBS create progams to give everyone everything. Now thats what I call BIG STUPID GOVERNMENT."

See that is what I call investing in people, infrastructure and resources. It pays dividends for all involved

"I believe people should earn what they get not get what they want because they make people think they need them."

See I believe it is smart and helps to provide tools and education so they can earn what they get - know what they usually get more. This WWII GI bill best social program ever

" Why does the DEMS always have to use CHILDREN when they want to get something done."

Children are our future the biggest payback is for them and us if we invest there first

"Just Like Clintoon getting rid of the deficet from cutting the Military in half. I know you were around for that one and I hope you werent proud of it. "

That was the peace dividend. We still had a military larger than the rest of the world combined and they did extremely well in Afghanistan and Iraq

Chopper John
Of course I understand! You are still a hero of mine....Sigh...!!

Hal D
We have reduced our freedom each time we have increased the size of our government. No dispute there. Still, I can't think of any people with more freedom. Are you arguing for unlimited freedom, without any responsibility?

As for the USSR having the rule of law, I suppose they did if you count a tyrannical dictatorship as lawful. I hoped to include individual rights and economic rights as a necessary part of the rule of law. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear.

Remedial reading
Shouldn't they have read "Your Government and How It Works (for Dummies)" BEFORE running for office?

JefferyP
"Limited government for a reason
Our constitution provides for a limited government for a very good reason. Government derives it's power from the people and as it grows, it diminishes the people's power."

Didn't we fight a civil war over this?

" This type of conceit mirrors the fallacy of the socialists when they believe they can make socialism work if only they were put in charge."

What is socialism? Was the WWII GI bill socialism?

"Congress did they right thing when they cut tax rates and cutting the capital gains tax is arguably a big factor in the increases we've seen in federal revenue. (Presidents neither raise nor cut taxes, nor do they balance budgets.) "

Misleading at best. For the most part the president proposes the congress disposes takes both. Federal revenue increases stem from federal debt spending little else.

"However, the GOP-controlled Congress failed to complement the cut in tax rates by also limiting spending. We now have record deficits because of too much spending, not too little taxes."

This is a conservative problem they always run up debt. That is the only way their tax cuts work. All it really is is skipping out on just debt. Not providing the same or better services than they had from their elders

"BTW: The last I heard, the mayor of NYC is a Republican and the local government of Washington DC is about 120% Democratic. Bloomberg is a RINO, but Giuliani was mayor during 9/11. I hope that help clear up some arguments here. "

Julie is hated by the NYFD and had one good day and that was primarily because Bush went and hid. But he did well that day. I have little problem with him \ Not DC DC metro

JefferyP
"We have reduced our freedom each time we have increased the size of our government. No dispute there. Still, I can't think of any people with more freedom. Are you arguing for unlimited freedom, without any responsibility?"

I am arguing that we should never have to worry about government in our lives unles it is our public lives or against a broadly accepted law. No one should mess with my or your personal travel especially outside the country. What I see conservatives having become is a personal cop interfering in my life at all levels while doing nothing else. Something is wrong here.

"As for the USSR having the rule of law, I suppose they did if you count a tyrannical dictatorship as lawful. I hoped to include individual rights and economic rights as a necessary part of the rule of law. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear. "

It is now but if you want high return and high risk go third or fourth world - now there risk reward is writ in caps

Folks
I will be disappearing shortly have a great holiday. Enjoy and be well

No wonder the Base is nto motivated.
There are people that say you don not win by losing. I disagree. I fyou have Breast cancer you win your life by losing your breast.
I hope Ron Paul raises tons of cash,
I hope Republicans lose big
then I hope we learn our lesson.

Ron Pual will be for republicans what Nader did to the left. He cost them big and moved the party to the left. Paul will move the party to the right. Maybe we can finally get a republican to an arguement from the constitution.

loosing in 08 will be a sacrafice in hope of a better party part for a better country. These neo libs who control the republican party want a slow painful death because they make money off it.

Ron Paul Schools Ben Bernanke Again
Chicago Traders Cheer Ron Paul On As He Tears Into Bernanke

WATCH VIDEO

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/chicago-traders-ch eer-ron-paul-on-as-he-tears-into-bernanke



John Konop
What was his reaction when he was on vetvoice.com ?

John Konop: Oh pa-lease....

"Ron Paul Schools Ben Bernanke Again'

Was that on the Comedy Channel?




anne
saw something really strange today. A car with a bumper sticker hailing dennis kooks in it. I guess we don't all the loonies here although at times it seems that way

Personal Freedom?????
JeffreyP Writes:
...Anybody can make a list and rank anything anyway they want...Was personal freedom on the list?



Personal Freedom? Are you under the delusion that there is MORE personal freedom in the U.S.?

In Canada, Belgium and the Netherlands, I could MARRY the person of my choice without the government putting its two cents worth into my decision and limiting my PERSONAL FREEDOM!

In Every other country OTHER THAN the U.S. and Australia, I could have a NATIONALLY recognized Civil Union to the person of my choice.

Interenet Gambling is a HUGE money making industry in Europe. They don't attempt to BAN their people from gambling in order to protect their citizens from themselves. In the U.S. you can't legally operate such a business and you can't LEGALLY participate and play. It's illegal for Americans to gamble online! The U.S. government has a deal with the private banks to screen for transactions that might be an AMERICAN CITIZENS online gambling transactions!

Is this the great American personal freedom you scream about so much? The government acting in cahoots with the banks to make sure you're not spending your OWN money in a manner which the Federal Government disaproves of? People in Britain don't have such restrictions on how they spend their OWN money online.

In the U.K. one can buy anabolic steroids over the counter. Can't do that here. No sir. The government has to protect us from ourselves. In Mexico, I can buy ANY Rx I want without a script. Not here, the alleged "land of the free".

Prostitution is legal in Canada and most all of Europe and most of South America. What about the U.S.? Once again, the governments in America feel it's their duty to but into the private affairs of its adult citizens. Gotta protect us from ourselves.

Personal Freedom Continued.
What about the Netherlands and Spain where it's legal to possess personal amounts of Marijuana?

What about the state of Alabama and its BAN on dildoes? In Alabama, you can have an assault weapon, just not a dildoe. How insane is that?
You don't think this infringes on peoples PERSONAL FREEDOM? You can't get much more PERSONAL than that! Alabama argued that dildoes are immoral? Are you kidding me? The state wants a "moral" say so in how one masturbates? Do you think you'd find such an intrusive, ridiculous overreaching law in say...Japan or France or Norway?

What about the recently overturned sodomy laws in a bunch of states. Conservatives argued the government should have the right to tell two consenting adults what they can mutually do with their OWN bodies? You won't find such laws in the rest of the developed world. Last time I checked, I didn't have a stamp on the bottom of my foot that said "property of the government of the U.S.A.". They sure do treat me like I do.

Personal Freedom? Please? What a joke! America doesn't rate very high at all on the "Personal Freedom" scale!

America needs to start treating its adults like adults.

I would love for America to TRULY believe in the idea of PERSONAL FREEDOM. Unfortunately, it doesn't. This country is obsessed with micromanaging the most intimate aspects of the lives of its citizens. If the government is going to treat us like we're its children, then it should take care of us too, right?

How to Fix Washington
Here is the best guide I've seen for how to fix Washington:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYm9QQo2l1E

Where the money goes
We need to fund our soldiers. We need an embassy in Bagdad.

We didn't need a Hippy shrine at Woodstock.

It's right to federally fund our national defenses, our roads and infrastructure.

It's wrong to federally fund people's abortions.

Get the idea?

we won't get fooled again
After being punished at the polls in 2006, Republicans responded by elected the very same leaders who more doubled the size of government the previous 6 years. Every day we hear a new report of Republicans in Congress teaming up with their Democrat soul mates and loading up every bill in sight with billions in pork.

Republicans have no more interest in small government or fiscal responsibility than Democrats, but they have a vested interesting in fooling voters into thinking they do. This booklet will fool a lot of people into thinking that the big-government Republicans have changed their stripes. The corollary to that is that only a fool will fall for it.

If you want smaller government, you have to vote third party (or Ron Paul). That's the painful truth.

http://freedomistheanswer.blogspot.com/
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