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Tuesday, June 12, 2007
Paul  Weyrich :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Immigration Bill May Rise Again
by Paul Weyrich
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My longtime friend Richard A. Viguerie issued a press release congratulating grassroots America for killing the Immigration Bill. I hope Richard is right. I fear he is not. In all of the years I have been here I never have known when the establishment really wants something that the establishment cannot obtain it. And the establishment really wants this bill.

Some critics point to the need for cloture, saying that proponents have too far to go before they can proceed with debate. Wrong. If the Republicans point to those amendments upon which they insist there be a vote, if that is a reasonable number (and it would be because Minority Leader Mitch McConnell wanted to pass the bill), then each party can negotiate over which amendments will kill the deal. If each party will withdraw one, then that will deliver 10 to a dozen votes right there.

That still leaves a few votes short of proceeding with the bill, and mark my word, if we proceed with the debate there will be more than 60 votes to pass the bill.

This is where President George W. Bush comes in. The President is very unpopular. He is at only 28% popularity, the lowest since Harry S. Truman. So the critics of the bill say he does not have the clout to pass the bill. Wrong.

Every President in each Congress can get most anything he wants if he is involved. By involved I don't mean merely personally twisting arms. Then what do I mean? Think of who will be voting on this bill. They are Senators, right? There are some Senators, such as Jim W. DeMint of South Carolina and Jeff Sessions of Alabama, who are principled. There is little which can be done to tinker with this bill which would cause those Senators to vote for it. But how about some others, who want something and are not up for re-election? The President has what they want. What is it? I don't know. It may be a federal building named after the Senator. It may be a new major road. It could be the appointment of someone at the White House, at the Justice Department or whatever. Often getting these votes is very costly. We might find out about the cost a long time after the fact. Usually we never learn the cost.

Remember when opponents of the prescription drug benefit were absolutely sure that they had the votes to kill that provision of the Medicare Bill. The leadership held the vote open for hours past the usual time for roll calls. The drug benefit was then approved by a couple of votes. I happen to know that the President spoke with holdout Members one by one, who ended up caving. I spoke with two of the Members who had been absolutely opposed to the drug benefit. Each one confessed to having spoken with the President the night of the vote. One Member told me what he had asked of the President. It appears that the President kept his word. I asked the other Member what he had requested of the President and whether the President had kept his word. I was told not to go there.

I saw the late Senator Gordon L. Allott (R-CO) get things from President Lyndon B. Johnson. The things Allot wanted were not for himself but rather for the people of Colorado. As he told me, he only bargained with President Johnson when he intended to vote for the bill anyway. He would have voted for the measure whether or not Johnson gave him something. He knew how to play the game.

Let me quote the late Senator Carl T. Curtis (R-NE) when he was asked to get something for Nebraska during the Nixon Administration. Said Curtis, "All of my clout went out the window when Johnson went out of office. I could get things from Johnson. From Nixon I get nothing."

So here we are. Bush badly needs the Immigration Bill. Without it what is his legacy? Justices and judges will retire or die. We may not know for half a century if it really were wise to have fought the various wars. The War on Terror comes to mind. Because Bush went after the radical Muslims he may be looked upon far more favorably than he is now? The missile shield? Even if Russia co-operates, the system may not be fully deployed for decades. The tax cuts which have resulted in 65 months of economic growth? If the Democrats get in they want them expired or repealed. Ah, but the Immigration Bill? Love it or hate it, that is something which, if passed, Bush will be remembered for the way FDR still is remembered for supposedly saving the country. So Bush will do whatever he needs to do to pass the bill.

What of the Viguerie point that the grassroots defeated this bill? It could still turn out to be correct. But did you hear Senator Pete Domenici (R-NM) on ABC last weekend? He said he received more calls than at any time during his service in the Senate, which began in January of 1973. Still, he said, if a few little things were done here and there he would be prepared to vote for the bill. Senator Domenici is up for re-election in 2008. Maybe he wants commitments for additional fundraisers.

I was here during the Panama Canal fight. Mail and calls (before e-mail) were heavy, such as now. Senators just didn't get it. They ignored the public, as I believe they are prepared to do so again. You would have to live and work in this atmosphere to understand. It is counter-intuitive. You would think if a Senator were up for re-election and were deluged with contacts from home he would want to pay attention to what his constituents think. No. Senators are told when they are elected to keep in mind that they are elected to use their best judgment and after all they know more than the people back home. I will never forget when Jeremiah Denton was elected Senator from Alabama. He had every possible strike against him yet he made it. He carried Alabama by a much large margin than did Ronald Reagan. It was the values voters who elected him because he spoke their language. He carried parts of Alabama which no Republican ever had carried. As soon as he got here Senate Majority Leader Howard H. Baker, Jr. (R-TN) told him that this social-issue stuff was fine for getting elected but if he wanted to advance here in Washington he would need to put all that behind him. Unfortunately he listened to Senator Baker. Believe you me, if you see Senators up re-election inexplicably voting for the Immigration Bill you can bet that some modern-day Baker equivalent is whispering that any new Senator really knows more than the voters.

If Viguerie is correct I will drink liquorless champagne. It will mean that the establishment has finally been defeated when it really wants something.

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Legacy?
Bush thinks that changing the culture of this country for the worse is a legacy? You must be kidding me. The establishment wants this bill for corporate/money interest plain and simple.

It's the people against the establishment. The people have the real power in this one. Long over is the day when the MSM can prop up the elites so they can ram down distructive legislation on the people. The internet and talk radio have brought the people into the game.

Reid's approval rating is 19%. Martinez is 37% and plumenting. Graham, Kyl and Chambliss are next. They can scream all they want but it won't help them in November. The American people have awaken and they won't get amnesia over this one.

They can pass amnesty at their own peril, or they can keep their elite status and their power. My guess is that they're not as dumb as they sound.

Treason!
This is all about the elite's North American Union.

http://stopspp.com/stopspp/?page_id=11

From Nafta to "Superstate"
http://www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.asp?control=163

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=North_American_Union

Look at the amnesty bill. You will find verbiage on Bush's Security and Prosperity Partnership.

Everything is nearly in place. All they have to do is sell us on buying into it. If we do not agree peacefully, I bet most will if we have another "attack", or something like avian flu, or even a collapse of our dollar. We've been warned about all of these and we have proven our willingness to give up our liberty for perceived security.

All that's needed is a little nudge....

Words from the past...

"The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men." -- Samuel Adams

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it."-- Thomas Jefferson

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." -- William Pitt (1783)

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."-- George Washington

"God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it."
-- Daniel Webster (1834)

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for any assumption of power. The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."-- Daniel Webster

"If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government that is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself."
-- James Madison

"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them."-- Patrick Henry

"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government -- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." --Patrick Henry

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it might cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst,and to provide for it."--Patrick Henry

"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government."--Thomas Paine


R E I N S T A T E - T H E - C O N S T I T U T I O N

Who do they speak for?
It would seem the voice of Americans no longer matter. I've personally written to both of my Senators twice on this issue.

Most are millionaires who can go and live where they choose to. They will not have to live in the gang infested inner cities, nor will they have to wait in line for hours in hospitals.

Their children will go to private schools, untouched by the drugs, sexual orientation indoctrination and liberal utopian instruction.

They are no longer Americans in the true sense of the word. So tell me how can claim they represent any of us?

Three Strikes and We Are Out
Three Strikes and We Are Out

This is the 3rd such amnesty scam I have witnessed since my youth, with each, in the 60's (Strike 1), 80's (Strike 2) and again today (Strike 3), opening the flood gates wider and wider.

If individuals wish to be Lawful Immigrants and are willing to adopt the principles and ideals of America, I welcome them with open arms and an open mind to my country, my community and to my neighborhood. Illegal Aliens are lawbreakers and not welcome to disrespect our laws.

No act by the Congress or our President should make these law breakers into lawful citizens or workers or anything else. They do not respect US, so we need not have any respect for them.

Observing the events of the past several months in our government it sure looks like things are going in the wrong direction, as they did in the 60's and the 80's. We have laws to defend our borders and a mandate to do so, but we have a sad history for the past 45 years of not enforcing the laws.

If the existing laws were to be enforced, we would not need any new legislation. Secure our borders first, clean house and stop this cycle of insanity of Illegal Aliens that has plagued us since the 1960's and eroded our national security.

Instead of to the choir, we need sing our song to others, uninformed or misinformed, no matter may they be, of our need to maintain our democratic republic, or instead a dysfunctional democracy, is all that we will see.

For all us old timers who still remember, the song goes like this; “it’s one, two, three strikes, you’re out, at the old ballgame”…

Richard G. Shuster (from Rick’s Random Ramblings, Three Strikes and We Are Out)


Brass Tacks
BT -- keep writing. Write to other senators, not just your own. Write to the Senators who voted NOT to proceed to cloture with this bill and tell them that you want them to continue their resistance to its passage. The cloture vote was Vote #206 I think. I stuck a complete list of Yea/Nay voters into the thread of comments on the "Bush Pleads for Immigration Bill" article, toward the bottom quarter. Or, you can track it down yourself through the Senate roll call system online. There were 50 NAY votes, so there are plenty of Senators to choose from that we all want to support and thank and encurage them to go the route with us.

You can also write to the two Republican senators from Georgia, Chambliss and Isakson, who jointly sent a letter to the President today outlining America's complete distrust of Congress and the need to secure the border first and enforce existing laws secondly. It is on Sen. Chambliss' Web site in the press release section. Jeff Sessions of Alabama, who told the Prez to back off, is another good Senator to thank.

I'm sending out about 10 or 12 communciations a day to Senators other than my own, thanking them and asking them NOT to back down on this issue. Increasingly, some pundits are openly saying that it doesn't make sense to spend a lot more time on this bill this year -- and of course, nothing serious will get passed next year. Worth a try anyway. And, of course if it passes the Senate, we also have the House.

Arby and posters who oppose scamnesty:
Go to the website, http://www.numbersusa.com/index and find the list
of Senators that President Bush is going to attempt to strong arm. I called each one on the list and left a message. I told each senator how profoundly disappointed I was in President Bush's leadership (after having voted for the man twice) and that I do not believe for one minute ANY of the enforcements will ever be carried out. I then applauded the senators who are willing to stand up for the millions of LEGAL citizens/immigrants who say NO to scamnesty. There were a couple whose voicemail boxes were either full or they did not have one. If enough senators hear from constituents across this great country who are opposed to scamnesty, maybe, just maybe, it could make a difference.

Robert, please go find another playground to fool around in.


Bush's Word
Why would anyone even consider negotiating with anyone that never gets around to keeping their word on any of the immigration laws of the past?

What would be the point?

This is like the people that got caught by their own rules while playing games as children. Every time they would get caught in one of their old rules they would start in on a big speech for a new rule. They never would pay up on being caught on the old rule.

No one plays with them long.

Just what are we still doing dealing with these liars?

May rise again?
Try "will rise again." This is the way it always is at all levels of government. Someone proposes bad legislation or a bad referendum, it gets voted down, then as soon as you turn around the money behind it is getting it voted on once again. There outta be a law against it.

This time IT WILL PASS unless there are physical protests in the streets.

The only other option would be for some very popular website to push for an economic slowdown: No discretionary spending by people opposed to Shamnesty until the bill is finally defeated. No new cars, no new shoes or clothes, no expensive meals, etc. Spend as little as possible. Businesses would take note immediately and react swiftly. If it caught on, voters would have a new avenue to make their voices heard. Otherwise, we are all just numbers out there, and as long as a Senator's demographics and marketing experts are telling him he can win re-election, he won't care what we think on any given issue. THis is the danger of overpopulation, especially overpopulation due to a bump in uneducated voters.

All who write, call and
send fax's I say bravo! Keep it up. It is the only way we have of making our demands known, save revolution.

But in my opinion, it is not working. I think that the wishes, demands of "We the People" are ignored as these corrupt politicians pursue their own power. I and many others I know have been calling and sending not just a few times but literally hundreds of times. With no results.

I believe this scamnesty bill will be pushed through and become law in spite of the America people.

Cheer up Goshawk
If you heard Hugh's interview of Rudy an hour or so ago, Rudy stated point blank that we don't need a new immigration, that current law is more than adequate. That is significant because he has raised the stakes for everyone else. For now, he is the "kill the bill" candidate. Unchallenged, that might send his poll numbers soaring. That alone could kill the bill. Congress is looking for a coattails candidate. We may be seeing Fred piping in soon.

Pasadena Phil
Didn't see the interview but agree with what Rudy says. And I hope your right in your assessment. But under the present situation, I find it very hard to be optimistic let alone cheerful.

Amnesty IS Surrender
Any amnesty is surrender, not only to the demands of citizens of other countries illegally in our country, but also to those who have been encouraging them to break our laws. Corporations have been paying off our politicians to subvert enforcement of existing laws since they were passed in 1986. We won't be bamboozled again. The jig is up. We know this is not about immigration, it is about importing cheap labor. KILL THIS BILL NOW. ENFORCE THE LAW NOW. SECURE THE BORDER NOW. Maybe after 20 years of action, to make up for the 20 years of inaction we've had, we can talk about immigration reform.

Liberty
Great quotes, couldn't help but notice how many Virginians were included.

March for America Events June 14, 15, 16

March for America June 14, 15, 16 Washington D.C. and state capitols across the country. Be there or be without a country.

http://www.lframerica.com/march2.html

Please show up on June 16 if you can, we need to make a showing so they cannot ignore us. I'll see you there, I'll be the one with the American flag!

Football Season
The new push will come during football season.

Traitor by any other name----
I have never in my entire life suffered such
disappointment as with the present president. I have absolutly no confidence in his testamony as
a believer. His 'house' is divided, and I will
not be surprized if he should have some sort of
an emotional break-down before he leaves office.

I noticed quite some time ago that his body-
language revealed weakness of character and I tried to overlook that---It's just toooo much.
May God have mercy---We still need to pray for him and our country.

On second thought, we had better be praying for
ourselves and our families. We need to be prepared for the natural evolution of the
inevitable. We ARE in the last days you know--
Are you ready----??

Okay folks, now we know the truth about
robert: he is an anchor baby, but NOT an American. He said so himself.

good advice here!

see advice here:
not ashamed to be right writes: Tuesday,
June, 12, 2007 7:40 PM

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Make those calls and send those e-mails to Congress, folks!

Now IS the time for all good Americans to come to the aid of their country! Contact your folks in Congress ASAP and tell them to listen to Middle America. You can reach them EASILY right here at their OFFICIAL sites:

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.htm

Let freedom ring out-- often! Time is short, and the pending scamnesty legislation could make or break the very future of America as we have known it for over 200 years.That so-called cheap labor is nothing of the sort all-in. Furthermore, 72% of Americans think the most important need by far is enforcement, NOT the naturalization of the great invading horde of undereducated indigent socially disparate:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/just_26_favor_senate_immigration_plan

Let's not lose the many things that have made America great and uniquely successful for so many to the Conspiracy of Evil --> miscreant employers, Chamber lobbies and other open border, NAU ilk, free trade advocates; ethnocentric/racist latino groups bent on the reconquista; the anti-America, PC, Big Brother entitlement government left; scandal-plagued church leaders seeking replacement contributors; corrupt plutocratic Mexican government interests seeking to make America the welfare department for Mexico's poor; vote and money-grubbing pols.

This is BY FAR the best pro-America lobbying site where you can select prepared e-mails to send and learn how to engage in other ways to save your country:

http://www.numbersusa.com/index

some other good sites and articles:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1076.cfm
http://vdare.com/misc/070607_economist.htm
http://www.grassfire.org/
http://www.firesociety.com/article/12134/
http://www.theamericanresistance.com/articles/art2004jan04.html
http://www.amren.com/Reports/Hispanics/HispanicsReport.htm
http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/back906.html
http://www.libertygunrights.com/NAUFactSheet.pdf
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/index.html
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchd74c
http://www.cis.org/index.cgi
http://capwiz.com/usbc/index_frame.dbq?url=http://capwiz.com/usbc/home/
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1076.cfm
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTg5YmRmODY4OTAyZTU2NGM2Y2E3NjY2MzdmYTE1NjI=
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43275
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/15/AR2007051502022.html

news flash...
Robert is really Roberto ;~)

As with Commerce Sec. Carlos Gutierrez, Sen. Robert Menendez, Sen. Ken Salazar, and Sen. Mel Martinez [also RNC Chief-- Rino Network for reConquista], etc., they are simply trying to get you to do what is best for YOU and America. Ethnocentricity/racial chauvinism has nothing to do with it. Kinda brings to mind, "We're your government, and we're here to help you." Or, "Such a deal... trust me!"

Interestingly, all of these guys tend to be like the plutocratic elites who run Mexico-- the descendants of the Spanish ruling class... they don't even look like those guys running like ants across the border-- because they aren't. It was not enough just to loot Latin America with elitist globalism... now they want to do the same here. Yo no quiero! Adios!

pig in a poke-- with lipstick
Why America no longer buys into the con of Presidente Jorge about Scamnesty... why that dog won't hunt-- he is "all hat, no cattle"...

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Presidente Jorge and his ilk have indeed renegged on commitments and artfully lied about their ulterior agendas. This is perhaps what REALLY prompts the unbridled animus among those of us who held our noses and voted twice for him, but are now righteously indignant about a number of things, mainly the war of choice without end in Iraq and the emperor's new clothes Scamnesty effort.

It was not WE who broke our commitments, radically changed courses, chose to spend and grow government like drunken'Crats (see the Rx Care For Seniors boondoggle, No Bureaucrat Left Behind), engendered a foreign war against the wrong enemy at the wrong time (per many generals and intelligence experts), sold out America with clandestine promises of sending welfare and S.S. to Mexico. Harriet Miers?! Alberto Gonzales?! Michael Chertoff?! You're doin' a good job, Brownie? The disingenuous neoCONS and nation building?! Reform S.S.?! Pledging to those down in Mexico that he would work for THEM on immigration "reform"?!

We don't have "a broken immigration system"... we have instead a hapless president who has been criminally nonfeasant and has violated his express oath of office in not defending and protecting our border or upholding laws he himself signed (border fence, more border guards,
workplace enforcement, etc.). Per Rasmussen polling:
_______________________________________________

The enforcement side of the debate is clearly where the public passion lies on the issue. Seventy-two percent (72%) of voters say it is Very Important for “the government to improve its enforcement of the borders and reduce illegal immigration.” That view is held by 89% of Republicans, 65% of Democrats, and 63% of unaffiliated voters.

Advocates of “comprehensive” reform have taken to arguing that those who want an enforcement-only policy must explain how they would deal with the
12 million illegal aliens already living in the country. The public reaction to that question appears to be “Why?!” Only 29% of voters say it
is Very Important for “the government to legalize the status of illegal aliens already in the United States.”
_______________________________________________

Presidente Jorge is rightfully in a death spiral; he seems ineluctably on track to supplant Jimma' Carter as the most feckless modern president. It is a nadir of infamy he has earned and justly deserves.

Clear & Present Danger
The danger that I'm speaking of is the danger to the elites of this country if S.1348 is shoved down the American Citizen's throat.

The Citizens will spew out this wretch of a bill in a most violent manor, and the spew will land on the elites .

Largecaliber
I think you may be right!

Good grief! If Robert is an example
of "anchor babies", that's all the proof necessary of the need to repeal the 14th Amendment.


Phil and Patriot
THe Rudy news, if true is giant! Someone on our side needs to step up. Maybe he noticed an anti-amnesty Fred breathing down his neck.

Patriot, the March for America is what I've been waiting for. As I read this, the state capitol thing will be on the 16th. Get the word out.

Yes, Robert, thank you
so much for that semi-illiterate stroll down Memory Lane.


Anchor Babies
I am an anchor baby, but I'm against scamnesty and do not believe we should give automatic citizenship to anchor babies.

I'm not hispanic. My family came from Canada. Their non-citizenship did not catch up with them until I was 32. At that time it was determined that I was a citizen because I was born in the U.S.

My grandmother on my mother's side was a U.S. citizen because she was born in the U.S. while her parents were working on a temporary job. They returned to Canada. During the depression because my grandmother was a dual citizen by vurtue of where she was born she was able to bring her husband and children to the U.S. However the children (my mother and aunts) were Canadian citizens. My mother was 11 when she came to the U.S.

My father's family immigrated to the U.S. when he was a child. His parents both became citizens but he and his siblings did not.

Both my parents knew they were supposed to be naturlized but they just never got around to it. They both served in the U.S. Navy during WW11. They voted, paid taxes, owned property and businesses. They did everything a citizen does, but they were not citizens.

My mother is for scamnesty. I am not. We argue about this. She has other relatives living in the U.S. that are not citizens. I am very happy I am a U.S. citizen. If I was required to be naturalized I would. I want our country protected. I do not believe her mother should have been a citizen because of where she was born. It is all very confussing. Just what country do we belong to? I believe we can only belong to one country. I am very happy it worked out the way it did for me, even if I think it was done the wrong way.




Why is it...
...I can visualize George W. Bush,on the 19th of January,2009,sitting down and giving a blanket amnesty to 12-20 million illegal aliens in this country? You know,for his "legacy".

Fooled you again and again....
Congress The comprehensive cartoon bill.
Picture this....

Congress --Lucy
The American people--Charlie Brown
This secure the border bill--the football
Fooled you again and again and again and again!!!!
Sound familiar ????
Need I say more....

Is this bill is comprehensive vote buying.
What is vote buying????
Is it legal or a crime????
Is there a punishment for it????

I guess I should ask Congress for the new definition. But laws are for us. They are above the law. Just ask Kennedy and crew.

If this scamnasty is passed, it will be the end of republicans. But do not fear a third party will be take its place.(LA RAZA) That's a poke in the eye of the dummycrats. They can forget about being in charge of anything forever.Teddy and other commie hate America first ones, will be out of a job.
Think about the fallout of this. No English. No jobs.No freedom.No wealth. No middle class.No America. We will all be deported. They will take the time and energy to do that.


HOW STUPID WE/THEY CAN BE?
ENFORCE EXISTING LAW, e.g. FENCE
Last year Bushy has signed, with a big bang, building of the fence paper....then Sanate had refused to finance it. NICE TRICK
So, they can play that game ad nauseam - "let the mexes in and we will build the fence"...

DICK (sic) Morris spreads the idiotic propaganda - calling on Republicans to get mex votes.
NEVER HAPPENED, NEVER WILL.


Saxby OUT, Rogers IN?

Rumors are flying that Georgia State Senator Chip Rogers has been approached to challenge US Senator Saxby Chambliss in the Republican primary. It makes a lot of sense. Chip Rogers would bring the Republican Party back to its conservative roots. The difference between Chip and Saxby is night and day!

Immigration and Trade

Saxby Chambliss strongly supports an immigration policy that unfairly pits tax payer-subsidized immigrant labor against hard working American families.

Saxby also does the bidding of his globalist, corporate masters by falsely claiming we need more unfair trade, more outsourcing (to countries like China and India), and more immigration to:

Feed a labor shortage (How can there be a labor shortage if wages are falling?)
“Do the jobs Americans won’t do” (Americans have always done our nation’s work—for a reasonable wage.)
In truth the purpose of his immigration and trade votes is to drive wages on behalf of his corporate campaign donors.

Chip Rogers has been a strong and consistent leader, fighting on behalf of American workers and tax payers for the enforcement of immigration laws and to secure our borders.

Out of Control Spending

Saxby Chambliss has not found a pork bill he did not like: from the Highway Bill with its Bridge to Nowhere to the Energy Bill that gave billions to oil companies away while gas prices soar. Saxby’s irresponsible spending has put America close to $9 trillion in the red. The General Accounting office has warned Saxby that his addiction to pork spending will bankrupt our country.

Chip Rogers has been very outspoken against Washington’s pork spending and has earned a reputation as a conservative spender in Georgia’s statehouse.

Education

Saxby Chambliss is a strong supporter of the scandal-ridden, pork-filled No Child Left Behind legislation. Any honest school administrator will tell you this Big Government program has failed our kids and driven school expenses way up. The only winners are corporate lobbyists (who buy support for the program though campaign donations).

Chip Rogers strongly supports locally-not federally-run schools.

Wake Up the Republican Party

If you support a return to real Conservative values, please:

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EMPTY PROMISSES
ENFORCE EXISTING LAW, e.g. FENCE
Last year Bushy has signed, with a big bang, building of the fence paper....then Sanate had refused to finance it. NICE TRICK
So, they can play that game ad nauseam - "let the mexes in and we will build the fence"...

DICK (sic) Morris spreads the idiotic propaganda - calling on Republicans to get mex votes.
NEVER HAPPENED, NEVER WILL.

Panama Canal
Robert wrote:
"And Paul...
you were wrong on the Panama Canal...we havent really suffered that we gave it back to Panama....
have we now. "

Not YET: but if I'm not mistaken the control contract was awarded to a Chinese company with close connections to the chinese communist government... ??

Destroying this country is a legacy???
Are you kidding me? The destruction of the country will get him in the history books for sufe. ZBut I don't thinkit is something he will want to be noted for......ridiculous. Anyone with half a brain knows this bui\\ill is the end of the USA as we know it!

Weyrich Wily, Wise, Right
This piece shows that Paul Weyrich is still one of America's wiliest -- and wisest -- political analysts. Let me explain . . .

I've been having a good-natured debate (well, not so good-natured) on my blog (click on name above) about the immigration bill. As George Will strongly suggests, conservatives have fallen into the usual trap set by Democrats. Harry Reid does not want an immigration bill. Gee, why? Because he can blame the defeat on the Republicans -- and reap the benefits from the huge Hispanic community (45 million legal immigrants in the U.S.) For some reason, the so-called "conservative leadership" has failed to recognize what's going on. If you want to debate this, please visit, but for goodness sake don't claim victory for what's really a terrible defeat.

No Common Sense
I have seen our illustrious government bungle some things in my lifetime but this takes the cake. If they had sealed that border a long time ago people would not be so angry. They have done the absolute worst thing they could do...lose what little trust we had in them. The fact that they don't want to kick out the felons makes no sense in this bill along with a whole lot of other things. There is also no incentive to become American or assimilate. I am willing to some extent to compromise on some things but those three things I will not. The internet has done wonder for politicians and campaigns but it has also worked agqainst them. Use it to it's fullest extent folks. Bombard them again, and again. We also need to keep track of who votes what and how. I am more than willing to give money to their opponents especially in the primaries. They can cater to the special interests all they want but in the end it's our votes at the ballot box that gets them in office. STAY UNITED! STAY INFORMED!

Steve
I noticed that too. Except it could backfire on Scary Harry in that this issue crosses party lines.

The Second American Civil War
Read a little American history. The first Civil War/War Between the States/War for the Southern Confederacy became inevitable when the politicians "punted" with the so-called Compromise of 1850. The subsequent Dred Scott decision was icing on the cake. The immigration bill now in Congress is the new Compromise of 1850 - it WILL pass because too many vested interests want it and too many politicians have been bought and paid for. The second civil war will start when native-born American citizens find social Security bankrupted as a result of the naturalization scheme Bush will sign with Mexico coupled with the fact that the illegals will get SSN benefits after paying in for only 18 months. Next, more and more hospitals will go bankrupt, school districts will go bankrupt because homeowners will vote down the demanded tax increase referendums to fund programs for all of the newly legal immigrant children. Food prices will continue to go up because the Chamber of commerce types have no intention of passing any "savings" on to the consumer. Alarmist? I don't think so. Even as complacent a group as the American citizenry will finally take up arms when they find themselves being bankrupted and even going hungry because of the deluge of the immigrants. Count on it - it will not be pretty.

Robert and history
Robert

Robert writes: Tuesday, June, 12, 2007 5:42 PM
And Paul...
you were wrong on the Panama Canal...we havent really suffered that we gave it back to Panama....

have we now.

Robert
------------------------
You should try to learn something of history besides how to grunt before you spew.

The return of the Panama Canal did not allow 20 million people in America to break the law, evade taxes, commit trafficking, and be members of international gangs while offering them amnesty. It certainly did not potentially cost 2.4 trillion dollars. Lesse:

- Panama Canal deal did not allow illegal aliens priority over legal immigrants.
- Panama Canal deal did not lie to the public that the deal would include other activities (such as enforcement) that the law authorities refuse to conduct.
- Panama Canal deal did not continue the process of catch and release for OTM illegal aliens.
- Panama Canal deal did not give illegal aliens green cards without proper background checks, particularly when the checks are based upon racist principles against non-Hispanics.
- Panama Canal deal did not allow illegal aliens pedophiles access to America's children with legal impunity.
- Panama Canal deal did not reward illegal aliens for being MS-13 gang members.
- Panama Canal deal did not allow illegal aliens currently violating court orders to completely ignore the dictates of lawfully elected or appointed judges.
- Panama Canal deal did not allow illegal aliens to claim 10 billion dollars a year in earned income credits as this deal will.
- Panama Canal deal did not allow illegal aliens free legal counsel at American taxpayers' expense.
- Panama Canal deal did not allow illegal aliens in-state educational status towards tuition and complete waiving of educational requirements for entry into college as is happening in San Diego right now.
- Panama Canal deal did not establish chain immigration as a RIGHT.
- Panama Canal deal did not allow illegal aliens 5 years of non-payment of taxes.
- Panama Canal deal did not allow illegal aliens to conduct previous and continuing identity theft against American citizens and this deal does.
- Panama Canal deal did not grant illegal aliens more privacy rights that American citizens, as this deal does.

Of course, I'm sure that you'll make some story up next how you were also an Marine guard in Panama in a past life. Really, I wish you were capable of relevant conversation.

Wolfgang 11:45 AM and civil war.
I agree this is a form of war,but I believe it is both civil, and revolutionary,while being a responsibility for our republic.Who,better knows, than the people passionately responsible to its principles,and traditions.It is that governing power,revolting against the civil passions that have dominated,while limiting,this countries full potential.I take great comfort,in the fact,that those of us passionately responsible for this nation,stood up against the left has they attempted to strip our protections.Certainly does create a lopsided battlefield.On one side,we,the people,with our second amendment,on the other side,a passionate force of civil unions,and theologist.

Sad but true....
Watch, if this bill can't be passed on it's own then it will be broken up and attached to other bills which have a lot of support and will get passed.

It is the typical Washington way of doing business, either pass it, make back room deals, or sneak it though on the tail of another bill.

We the people need to hold our elected representitives accountable for thier actions.

Suggestion to Virginians
How does Pat Buchanan vs. John Warner in 08? I'd give anthing to see Pat as a U. S. Senator. I am in liberal Seattle so I can on dream of a Conservative Senator.

Duncan Hunter
Well, Paul, can you be bought? What makes you think everyone can? Just because the weak-kneed greedy knaves you mention were bought doesn't mean every man can. Duncan Hunter cannot. He has my support because he knows who he is, where he stands, and sticks by his principles. Do you, Mr. Weyrich, think Ronald Reagan was ever bought? Another thought: If the Establishment always gets its way, why bother with writing columns of speculation. By your way of thinking; things are already fated, and commentary is just a waste of time. Oh, yeah, you do make money by writing columns.

Current laws not enforced
The Bush/Clinton/Bush Cabal refuses to enforce current immigration laws. Why would anyone believe that these ba$tatd$ would enforce anything but the amnesty provisions of S.1348? They haven't done so before, why would they now? Oh, and that $5,000 fine to get onto the path to citizenship? They already owe that fine without giving them the keys to our kingdom.

8 USC Sec 1325 -Any alien who enters U.S. other than at port of entry shall be subject to civil and criminal penalties, fines and imprisonment.

Section 1324a Any person who knowingly hires/harbors/ transports any illegal alien is guilty of a felony punishable by 10 years jail + $2,000 fine per illegal alien.


Section 1324c ALL officers whose duty it is to enforce criminal laws shall have authority to make arrests for violation of any provision of this section (no special training required).


Section 1644 No local ordinance, rule, or measure shall stop law enforcement officers from enforcement of this section

Title 19, USC § 1459 Reporting requirements for individuals

(f) Civil penalty. Any individual who violates any provision of subsection (e) (illegal entry) of this section is liable for a civil penalty of $5,000 for the first violation, and $10,000 for each subsequent violation.

(g) Criminal penalty. In addition to being liable for a civil penalty under subsection (f) of this section, any individual who intentionally violates any provision of subsection (e) of this section is, upon conviction, liable for a fine of not more than $5,000, or imprisonment for not more than 1 year, or both.

As to the reason why the Repubs and the Dems are both on board? Well, it has nothing to do with votes. It is all about replacing We the People with another more pliant and dependent peon-class. This way the elites in America can live like the elites in Mexico.

http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/back706.html

"While Democratic legislators we spoke with welcomed the Latino vote, they seemed more interested in those immigrants and their offspring as a tool to increase the role of the government in society and the economy. Several of them tended to see Latin American immigrants and even Latino constituents as both more dependent on and accepting of active government programs and the political class guaranteeing those programs, a point they emphasized more than the voting per se. Moreover, they saw Latinos as more loyal and 'dependable' in supporting a patron-client system and in building reliable patronage networks to circumvent the exigencies of political life as devised by the Founding Fathers and expected daily by the average American."

"Republican lawmakers we spoke with knew that naturalized Latin American immigrants and their offspring vote mostly for the Democratic Party, but still most of them (all except five) were unambiguously in favor of amnesty and of continued mass immigration (at least from Mexico). This seemed paradoxical, and explaining their motivations was more challenging. However, while acknowledging that they may not now receive their votes, they believed that these immigrants are more malleable than the existing American: That with enough care, convincing, and 'teaching,' they could be converted, be grateful, and become dependent on them. Republicans seemed to idealize the patron-client relation with Hispanics as much as their Democratic competitors did. Curiously, three out of the five lawmakers that declared their opposition to amnesty and increased immigration (all Republicans), were from border states."


About Robert
I have been trying to place "Robert" since the first time I read one of his comments. Now I have it. Picture this - you are at some function where there are a lot of intelligent adults talking about various subjects and somebody's obnoxious, 9 year old red headed step-child keeps interrupting with innane comments that have nothing to do with the conversation at hand, or he says something stupid like "1860-1865 was the second civil war", etc. He keeps butting in, but he won't listen to what anybody else is saying, he keeps covering his ears when he is corrected, etc...His fun is simply being annoying, not in carrying on any sort of a serious conversation. Yep, Robert (one-watt) is him. He is our 'red-headed step child'. [no offense to any real red-headed step children].

Butteblack
I have written to the state GOP advising they prepare a replacement for Warner. My suggestion was that they convince him to retire gracefully. Otherwise he will draw a primary challenge. Entrenched senior Senators are not easily unseated, but many of us have had it with "Amnesty John". If the Democrat is former Gov. Mark Warner, Amnesty John is gone.

KEEP THAT CHAMPAIGNE BOTTLE HANDY!?
Joyce writes: Friday, June, 15, 2007 4:44 AM

No Border Fence -North American Union

We know that no matter how much money Congress allocates for border security, it will never happen.

We know about the Superhighway and the North American Union.

We know that Congress is blackmailing the American public into passing this horrible Amnesty bill by holding the border fence hostage. If those turds had any intention of building that border fence, it would have already been built.

If they cared about the future of this nation, Congress would WANT to build it. But clearly they don't. There will never be a fence because it would defeat the whole purpose of their North American Union. A union Americans have NO interest in and will fight tooth and nail.

Congress is playing deadly games with us. And anyone who thinks they are sincere in any way, is naive beyond belief.

We must pay attention to what Congress does and DOESN'T DO... not what they SAY. Because talk is cheap.

Perhaps we will get illegals to do their job....they would do a better job at a much lower cost. Isn't that the theory?



Politics Not As Usual.
I believe the time has come where voting citizens are tired of this attitude in government where they think that they know what's best for us whether we like it or not.

These politians are going to loose there jobs if they keep pushing there luck.

They think that the voters can't see there deceptive games.

This immigration bill is going to cost the American tax payer a small fortune, maybe even banlrupt America.

These politians are not blind to the fact that they are not going to secure our borders with this plan, so what are they up to.

It's kind of like gun control, only the law abiding are going to register. So, what's the purpose of this bill.

Are they trying to give away the farm to get criminals to register?

I won't forget who votes for this bill even if it doesn't pass, and you shouldn't either.
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