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Wednesday, May 30, 2007
Paul  Weyrich :: Townhall.com Columnist
"UNCLOS" or "LOST" - A Bad Idea Resurfaces
by Paul Weyrich
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No bad idea is ever completely defeated in this country, perhaps in other nations as well. I have seen bad ideas surface again and again in this country. When the right is defeated the right tends to stay defeated. I recall advocating a national right-to-work law when I worked in the Senate in the late 1970s. The member of the leadership to whom I pitched the idea exclaimed, "Oh, no. We can't do that. It was defeated in 1958." I merely was suggesting that we try to get a vote on the issue. I knew we couldn't win at that time. I went on and said "So? There is hardly anyone here who was in the Senate then." I didn't work for this Senator so I felt that I could not go further but the point remains valid. No doubt if I tried to push the idea among conservatives in the Senate to this day someone would object because his father told him that the idea had been defeated in 1958 and therefore it could not be done.

Not so with the liberals. My first encounter with the demand for gun control came in 1968. It was shortly after Senator Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated. It seemed that every man and his brother was demanding gun control. Senator Gordon L. Allott, for whom I worked, told me "Just wait around. A few months from now almost no one will be talking about gun control. I've seen it all before [when President John F. Kennedy was assassinated]. This idea comes up here again and again although if you would ask the average man on the street, he almost would never demand gun control." The good Senator was correct. He has been gone for more than 25 years, yet the issue has surfaced again and again. Most recently it has occurred following the tragic killings at the Virginia Polytechnical Institute and State University, known as "Virginia Tech." With conservatives when an idea is defeated it by and large remains defeated. Does any current Senator push the Bricker Amendment?

On the other hand liberals have no hesitancy in repeatedly pushing a bad idea after it has been defeated. We have a perfect illustration of this in the current Senate. When Ronald W. Reagan took office as President, more than 25 years ago, an issue surfaced known as the Law of the Sea Treaty. I had never heard of it and must admit when it was first mentioned I didn't pay much attention. But thanks to Howard Phillips, Phyllis Schlafly and others I began to realize that this Treaty, sometimes disparagingly called "LOST," approvingly called "UNCLOS," would give our sovereignty away. That alarmed me.

Through our Coalitions efforts we began to fight this Treaty. The battle seemed helpless until some of us discussed the matter with Edwin (Ed) Meese, III, then a key member of President Reagan's White House Staff. Meese agreed that the Treaty was fatally flawed and invited the President's attention to it. President Reagan opposed it. Yet, would you believe that we still had to carry on the fight against the Treaty beyond his coming out against it. The Navy, it seems, despite Reagan's opposition, still carried on until ordered to stop. Why, you ask, would the Navy be in favor of a treaty which would have given away our sovereignty? The reason, we were told, was that the Navy believed the Treaty if ratified would make it safer for our ships to operate. Who knows, but that was the argument advanced at the time.

Once the Law of the Sea Treaty was put on ice by Reagan in the second year of his eight years in the Presidency it did not surface again. Nor did it surface during the Administration of President George H. W. Bush. After Bill Clinton was in office for two years and faced a Republican Senate he never pushed the Treaty at all.

Then came the Administration of President George W. Bush. During his first term the Treaty never was pushed. We assumed that it was dead. But during the first Congress of his second term it surfaced again. In fact, Chairman Richard G. Lugar (R-IN) of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee was so determined to push this Treaty that he permitted no opposition during the hearings. It was voted out unanimously.

Thanks to extraordinary work by Senator Jim Inhofe (R-OK), and then a commitment made by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) at our Coalitions lunch, the Law of the Sea Treaty again was put on ice. While supposedly Vice President Dick Cheney was for the Treaty, President Bush never supported it.

Now that Bush is a lameduck President and at the lowest polling rating of his Presidency (28% favorably), Bush at last has come out in favor of the Treaty. We have an uphill fight to defeat the Treaty. The Democrats are in control of the Senate and almost all of them favor the Treaty. Many of the six GOP Senators who were defeated in 2006 were opponents of the Treaty. So if Senator Inhofe is to drum up opposition he would need 35 Senators. That would be next to impossible. Whereas Majority Leader Frist kept his commitment to be against the Treaty, his successor, Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY) has not yet taken a position of which we are aware.

Again, when conservatives are defeated they regard their defeat as final. When liberals are defeated they wait around until the next opportunity presents itself. Meanwhile, the extraordinary researcher Cliff Kincaid has produced a monograph linking global warming with the Treaty and demonstrates that if the Treaty were ratified it would be far easier to bring cases against the United States. In another paper, "The Secret Agenda behind the Law of the Sea Treaty," he says the Treaty is so extreme that former UN Ambassador Jeanne Kirkpatrick stated that "it was viewed as the cornerstone of Marxist-oriented New International Economic Order." According to Kincaid, "This was conceived as a scheme to transfer money and technology from the United States and other developed countries to the Third World." He points out that Kirkpatrick strongly opposed the Law of the Sea Treaty.

According to Kincaid, the Treaty would open the U.S. up to international lawsuits and climate-change legislation, providing a back door for implementation of the ungratified and costly global warming treaty. This is because the Treaty would establish a new international legal regime, including a new international court, to govern activities on, over and under the oceans, seven-tenths of the world's surface. The provisions of the Treaty would also permit international rules and regulations governing economic and industrial activity on the remaining land area of the world in order to combat global warming and other perceived pollution dangers.

There you have it. Another bad idea, long defeated, about to be ratified unless there is a real revolt against it.

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Once again
The Reps and Rinos are teaming up with the Dems to undermine our soverignty. First, immigration, now this. And there goes Dubya again. Is he talking to Teddy over this too? When will someone convince these political crackpots that CONSERVATISM WINS!

Yeah, Bush. Again.
I don't want to see any more Bushes on the national political stage. I am sick to death of that family and their sycophantic RINO policies.

The current version has sure been keeping himself busy lately giving away our national heritage.

He's got to go down as one of the worst presidents in the last 50 years at least, and the single worst Republican president ever.

New World Order
It seems more likely each day.

LOST
I e-mailed the president about this...........hopefully it didn't get trashed, and asked that he NOT get into it. Of course, we all know how well he listens to the citizens of the country.

Hammer
"CONSERVATISM WINS!" short term not long term. While it truly is the "bad idea that keeps resurfacing", conservatism contains the seeds of its own defeat. Conservativism leads to senseless wars, corruption and Katrina style disasters. But Conservatism keeps coming back.....

Hal Donahue
Conservatism causes hurricanes?

Or causes corrupt Democrat regimes who don't take steps to protect their citizens?

Or makes people live below sea level for several centuries?

How did conservatism cause the "Katrina style disaster" in New Orleans again?

Or are you one of those nut jobs who thinks Cheney and Rove dressed up as frog men and blew the levees?

Hal Donohue Part 2
Or are you proposing "president as national dog catcher" theories? Do you think no issue is truly a local issue, and that any problem is the fault of the national government? That every problem must be solved at the national level or not at all?

Sorry, but Katrina's problems could have been very easily handled by the mayor or the governor. Instead, they abdicated responsibility and then blamed it on the federal government.

When you stub your toe, do you curse Bush as well?

Hal Donohue Part 3
When Clinton was president, Baltimore had over 300 murders per year, every year he was in office. Is that the fault of the Clinton administration? If not, why not? It is as much his fault as New Orleans' failure to prepare for Katrina was Bush's fault.

The CFR Conspiracy
"Chairman Richard G. Lugar (R-IN) of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee was so determined to push this Treaty that he permitted no opposition during the hearings. It was voted out unanimously." According to the list that I check, Lugar and two of his staff are members of the Council on Foreign Relations that want the LOST to be enacted.

andrews
get real. The US allowed a major US city to be destroyed and has not rebuilt it. To the best of my knowledge this is the only administration in our history that allowed a major US city to collapse and not be rebuilt. That even more then Iraq proven this administration's complete incompetence to the world.

andrews
"Or are you one of those nut jobs who thinks Cheney and Rove dressed up as frog men and blew the levees?" oh not I. That would take competence LOL

andrews
"Sorry, but Katrina's problems could have been very easily handled by the mayor or the governor. Instead, they abdicated responsibility and then blamed it on the federal government." That is EXACTLY why conservatism fails always - no since of country and unity

Andrews
Baltimore still exists New Orleans is a mere shadow of itself.

Hal Donahue
Baltimore was losing 1000 citizens a month due to the murder rate, it was on the fast track to not exist any longer.

And, perhaps not rebuilding New Orleans is a GOOD idea? I mean, living below sea level, on an eroding delta, where hurricanes frequently strike, maybe that is a bad idea? Perhaps not rebuilding New Orleans is the right course to take.

In fact, I fault Bush for wasting federal money on this doomed undertaking at all. Better to resettle everyone and let the oil companies build some piers of their own for shipments. Let the swamp reclaim the failed city.

Of course, if you want to build there, I won't stop you, but you have no claim on my money should your house end up under water.

Yes, guess I am a heartless conservative. I don't believe it is the job of the government to hold back the sea so you can live below sea level at my expense. How heartless of me.

And you still haven't explained why this is a federal and not a local matter. You say it is "no since [sic] of country and unity", but that doesn't explain why the state and city government can do nothing then blame it on Bush. Care to explain that?

Hal Donohue Part 2
Also, you say that the federal government never let a city get destroyed in the past.

Hate to tell you, but in the past it was seen as the job of the state and the counties/cities to rebuild, or, gasp!, the job of the individual citizens.

The Feds did not rebuild San Francisco, California and her citizens did. Chicago was rebuilt by citizens and the government of Chicago after the fire. The federal role in both was very small, and by your standards negligent.

I think you need to get a bit better perspective on how federalism was taken seriously in the past. The 60's leftist view of an omnipotent central government is relatively recent in our history, and most in the past viewed things quite differently.

Correction
Ok, not eroding, so much as a shifting delta. It is not vanishing so much as moving.

I just didn't want someone to pick on an irrelevant detail and ignore the rest of what I said.

Hal Donohue - last one for now
How did the federal government "allow" New Orleans to be destroyed? Were they supposed to stop the hurricane?

Or are you blaming them for not arresting Nagin and Blanco for misdirecting levee funds to personal pork projects? On that one, I may agree with you.

Sorry for so many posts
Sorry about the number of posts, but as soon as I finish rebutting one of the points Hal raises, I think of something else that is wrong. I'll try to condense them in the future.

Hal Donahue
"CONSERVATISM WINS!" short term not long term. While it truly is the "bad idea that keeps resurfacing", conservatism contains the seeds of its own defeat. Conservativism leads to senseless wars, corruption and Katrina style disasters. But Conservatism keeps coming back.....

Conservatism is, or should be just that. It is a philosophy that says that Government stays within its Constitutionally limited boundries, spends only what it needs to do its job and then shuts up. The American people would love that. Teddy Hillary, the Estrogen Triplets of CA would hate it.

The real problem here is that no one, including The Ronald, has practiced it in toto. Reagan tried but failed in the spending category big time. But it carries the seeds of its own perpetuation if followed as outlined.
Now, as to sensless wars. Have you posted anything controversial on TH or anywhere else? Has a Comrade, Islamofacist, Nazi or anyone else turned up at your door to, say, chop off your head, cram you into a gulag or otherwise mess up your life? No. Thank your God that someone is willing to take the fight off shore.
How about Katrina. There is a program in place called the National Incident Management System. It goes like this: the STATE (my emphasis) declares an emergency. They are free to do this at any time. The governor then notifies the President, who sends in FEMA. The national govt CANNOT come in until it is called for by the state. When FEMA personnel arrive, they assist in the LOCAL managers in alleviating the stress, whatever that mey be, housing, water, food,etc. I live in the south, in a region that supplied assistance to N.O. The level of incompetance displayed there was unbeliveable.

The only part of the process that worked was communication conducted by amateur radio operators. I contend that the governor, a DEM, and the mayor, a DEM, intentionally negelcted to notify the Federal govt in an incredibally stupid attempt to make Dubya look bad. (He doesn't need any help.) In so doing, I bleieve they committed so many criminal acts that they should do prison time. If I may point out, in the same year, ND had a blizzard of extreme proportions, FL had a hurricane, and there were other disasters. In every case except N.O. disaster was declared BEFORE the strike, and FEMA was on the spot. Strike you as funny.

Hal, I do not want any govt telling me what to do. I pay taxes into a system that pays people in my town not to work. The social security withholding is, as far as I am concerned, water down a rat hole, and there is nothing I can do about it. Some fools in Wash. DC are about to make the good ol' USA a northern state of Mexico! We are plagued with RINOS. Im tellin' you, I AM FOUR SQUARE FOR CONSERVATISM!

Andrews try facts? One example
General Sheridan in Command: The draft reads: "City of Chicago is almost utterly destroyed by fire. There is now reasonable hope of arresting it, if the wind does not change, which is yet blowing a gale. I have ordered on your authority Rations from St. Louis, tents from Jeffersonville and two companies of infantry from Omaha. There will be many homeless people and much distress."

We are a country united all conservatism sells is division and incompetence.

Hammer
"The real problem here is that no one, including The Ronald, has practiced it in toto." I think you are wrong. Wasn't that what the confederacy was all about?

Hal Donahue
Yes, the army provided emergency relief (and less than was provided following Katrina). How does that relate to rebuilding?

Sorry, but it was never the job of the federal government to rebuild following a disaster. In fact, it is the job of the individual owners to do so.

Or do you suggest the Feds should insure us against anything bad ever happening? That we should never suffer any consequences?

Hammer
"Now, as to sensless wars. Have you posted anything controversial on TH or anywhere else? Has a Comrade, Islamofacist, Nazi or anyone else turned up at your door to, say, chop off your head, cram you into a gulag or otherwise mess up your life? No. Thank your God that someone is willing to take the fight off shore."
Oh no you don't. My freedom and right to speak is not furthered by a war in Iraq or Somalia. This are mistakes and errors which were paid for in the blood of citizens. All part of our history but mistakes none the less sadly.

andrews
"Sorry, but it was never the job of the federal government to rebuild following a disaster. In fact, it is the job of the individual owners to do so." And that andrews is esactly why conservatism fails what is the old saying? Stand together or hang separately.

Hal Donohue
So, by robbing me to ameliorate your suffering you build bonds of goodwill?

Sorry, but once you have a government that steals from one to pay another you create nothing but eternal conflict over who will pay and who will be paid.

Better to let each provide for his own. All your suffering and all your success is your own, and none provide for you but those who agree to do so.

Your system creates nothing but strife and slavery.

You have the high sounding slogans, but results in nothing but mutual animosity and theft. I propose a system that is actually fair, and allows men to live in peace and with dignity.

One example
One example how public funding creates strife:

The ID/creationism/evolution debate. Because public schools are publicly funded everyone has a say in what is taught. And so we have a public tug of war over what is to be taught, each thinking his money should fund only the teaching of his own beliefs.

Why does this not happen in private schools? Because we pay for what we want there. If a school does not agree with you, you don't pay them to teach your children.

It is public funding that creates these public conflicts. Private enterprise has an inherent mechanism for criticism in the free market, the government only allows lobbying, elections and law suits to settle such issues.

Yet you argue we should entrust more of our lives to the public scuffle of government?

And yes...
Yes, my argument means I don't believe in public schools. And to answer your next objection: If you want to pay to educate children, I won't stop you. But you have no right to take money form another to pay for what you think is right. Only your own money is yours to spend, not mine.

andrews
You are mistaken Andrews. This country wasn't settled by individuals working alone. It was settled by individuals working together. Always pretty? Nope. Effective? It certainly has been. From the settlement of the Ohio Valley to the WWII era GI bill the people united to accomplish what was needed or wanted. The GI bill paid for almost everything even a stipend. Was there waste? Yes but not much Were taxes high? Yes. But that program paid huge dividends in cost and economic advantage. Listen the closest I have seen to folks living the life you want was the Falklands where some americans went to be free of government but then the Brits and Argies came along.

andrews
"The ID/creationism/evolution debate." There simply is no debate that is over.

"Yet you argue we should entrust more of our lives to the public scuffle of government?" The public scuffle of government is what created this country and what has made us great. Not the quiet life of sheep.

Hal
Sorry, Hal, But I have to agree with andrews on this one. I'm not really a conservative; I'm a libertarian, so I'm a little out of place here on the TH boards.
If I threathen you with a gun, take your wallet and give the money to the poor, is it theft? If so, it is the same thing when government does it.
I got into a large argument with my economics teacher in college. He had a chart saying that it was "better for the community" if we take from the rich to give to the poor. Sorry, but most people don't work "for the community." They are looking out for themselves, as they should be. Should a taxpayer in Montana pay for a house in Louisiana because the person living in that house chose to live in a bad location? The same analogy goes for people who live in any location where hurricanes or other predictable disasters strike.
Another large issue here is the Constitutionality of it all. Can you point to a specific provision of Article I, section 8 (the section that lists the powers of Congress) or Article II, section 2 (the section that lists the powers of the president) that allows for a transfer of wealth from one person to another? Just a question...

Why do we continue to look at either
political party as one that will save our nation? Haven't we yet realized that both parties have accrued to themselves so much power that they no longer feel accountable to the Constitution, rule of law, or will of the people? Along with a complicit media, they have perpetuated the MYTH that we must elect one of them, there is no other choice, nowhere else to go!

I urge you to visit my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG. Why is it that we seem to believe the propaganda put out by these elites who have only power, wealth, and their own internationalist agenda as motivation? Are we so insecure, are we so lacking in faith in ourselves, that we cannot accept the fact that we could actually elect someone not of either party, someone with no loyalties to their political machines, their PACs, and their corrupt lobbyist cronies?

Why should we think only they are smart enough, wise enough, experienced enough to govern? Because they say so, therefore we accept it? This is the election and now is the time to reclaim for the future of this great nation and our children, the birthright we have had stolen from us! We do not have to accept the entitlements and pork barrel spending projects as a bribe for our votes any longer.

On my website, I pledge in my Campaign Platform to reject all such treaties like this one that surrender the sovereignty of the United States to an internationalist organization. I fully intend to restore the Constitution, rule of law, and will of the people as the principles by which we govern ourselves as a free people! It is published and there for anyone to read. You should check it out.

What are we afraid of? Does it frighten us to think we could actually elect one of our own, a common working man with common sense and a love of his country? Why can't we elect someone without a political career to defend and no position of wealth to maintain? Why should we constantly elect the same individuals over and over again, always expecting a different result that never has and never will come to pass?

If we elect another Democrat OR Republican in 2008, we will absolutely guarantee a future of greater and greater government intervention in our lives, more and more internationalist power grabs of American sovereignty, and continual decline of the freedoms we were given by the founding fathers. It will happen for sure as the pressure grows to bring the "AMERICANS INTO LINE WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD"! Believe me, that is the ultimate goal of the elites from Washington to Europe. We cannot and should not allow this to come to pass.

Am I wrong? Tell me! Visit my website and link to the email address, and show me how. Exactly when will we stop trusting the same people who have sold us out time and time again? This L.O.S.T. treaty and Immigration Reform legislation should be more than enough to demonstrate just how arrogant these elites have become, just how much they look upon us with total disdain! Their attitude is, you have nowhere else to go, so take your entitlements, go home, and leave the nation in our capable hands! Wrong, wrong, wrong. If no one out there cares to support this effort to get something done, nonetheless I will not back off. I think we need to band together and reclaim our inheritance and give our children a solid future. I am not giving up on that hope, not now, not ever! Thanks, Joe

Hal D: Fallacy in your argument
Yes, the country was founded and advanced by individuals working together, but not mandated by government fiat.

THAT'S the problem with liberalism. If people want to band together, pledge their own personal resources, work as a community, they're free to do so, as long as those who don't want to do so are free to do that, too.

It's not for government to step in and FORCE people to participate by stealing their hard-earned dollars at the point of an IRS gun.


A simple truth
"when conservatives are defeated they regard their defeat as final"

And that is what is wrong with conservatives today.

God forbid you regroup and try to make a more persuasive argument. God forbid you try to reach more people with your message.

Nope. If those 100 dimwits in the Senate said "No", that's final.

This explains so much about the decline of the Republican party.

Justpaul: Yep
GOP means "Gutless Old Party".

An uncanny ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.


FrmrSSGT
"Sorry, Hal, But I have to agree with andrews on this one. I'm not really a conservative; I'm a libertarian, so I'm a little out of place here on the TH boards.
If I threathen you with a gun, take your wallet and give the money to the poor, is it theft? If so, it is the same thing when government does it." You are absolutely correct but not just money time, rules etc. The fact is though organised people win every time and the larger the group the less likely complete agreement is likely.

BrianR
"Yes, the country was founded and advanced by individuals working together, but not mandated by government fiat." yes it is for better or worse. Ask the Tories after we won the revolution. Ask the Pennsylvanians following the whiskey rebellion. Government is force and our constitution tries to cushion the minority and give them recourse and certain protections.

HalD
Just don't try to do it at my expense, with my tax dollars.


I'm perfectly capable
of making my own charitable donation decisions. Screw government. I trust government as much as the Founding Fathers did, which is to say not at all.

BrianR
The founding fathers were the very one's putting down the whiskey rebellion and spending tax money in the Ohio Valley which by the way made Washington the richest man in America.

Whiskey Rebellion
While citizens in the east did not find it difficult to abide by the concept that individual states were "subservient to the country," people west of the mountains were less accepting of decisions made by the central government.

The rebel farmers continued their attacks, rioting in river towns and roughing up tax collectors until the so-called "insurrection" flared into the open in July of 1794 when a federal marshal was attacked in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. Almost at the same time several hundred men attacked the residence of the regional inspector, burning his home, barn and several outbuildings. Pittsburgh was another scene of disorder by enraged mobs.

On August 7, 1794, President Washington issued a proclamation, calling out the militia and ordering the disaffected westerners to return to their homes. Washington's order mobilized an army of approximately 13,000 — as large as the one that had defeated the British — under the command of General Harry Lee, the then-Governor of Virginia and father of Robert E. Lee. Washington himself, in a show of presidential authority, set out at the head of the troops to suppress the uprising.

This was the first use of the Militia Law of 1792 setting a precedent for the use of the militia to "execute the laws of the union, (and) suppress insurrections," asserting the right of the national government to enforce order in one state with troops raised in other states. Even more importantly, it was the first test of power of the new federal government, establishing its primacy in disputes with individual states. In the end, a dozen or so men were arrested, sent to Philadelphia to trial and released after pardons by Washington.

HalD: Absolute irrelevance
We're talking about the government stealing taxpayer dollars to give it to some suckers who didn't provide for their own welfare.


BTW, Hal
Read the Constitution. It provides for the suppression of rebellion explicitly.

If you need the link, let me know.

BrianR
Actually no we are not. We are talking about citizens deciding how to raise money to invest in community needs such as the national defense. I cannot condone government money being given to "faithbased" charities - this I believe is a danger to the country but I still pay taxes. My programs are "stealing" but your "corporate welfare" is tax? Come on here....

Hal Donahue
" Wasn't that what the confederacy was all about?" The Confederacy was doomed from its outset, because it was a confederacy. Remember the Articles of Confederation. Confederations by their nature are doomed to failure.

"My freedom and right to speak is not furthered by a war in Iraq or Somalia." Yes, you are right. But if we do not stop the ideologies that would curtail those rights there, we (the people) will be trying to preserve those rights here. And I venture to say, we will get precious little help from our own leaders. Again, let me point you to the last war we actually won. It took about ten years for the West to realize that Hitler's Facism was not going to go away. Many pooh poohed him and it cost the pooh poohers dearly. If the allies had taken it to him early, we might have stopped bafore Dunkirk, D-Day, Iwo Jima, ......... There was one who saw through Hitler's smoke screen. Where is Winston Churchill when we need him?

Hammer
Yes we did win the last war but that was not WWII that was the Cold War. And we won it fighting a lot of big and little battles but we won it. No one quibbles about fighting the ideologies where necessary. We have done that since Tripoli if not before. We do not agree that the war in Iraq is ongoing. It is over leaving our troops abandoned in thje desert should not even be an option. Let's bring them home where we can and fight our enimies instead of fighting surrogates and one side or the other in a civil war.
"There was one who saw through Hitler's smoke screen. Where is Winston Churchill when we need him?" Roosevelt did also and Churchill says his support was critical.

Hal
I agree faith based charities are a problem. As a matter of fact, all government charity (welfare, etc) is unconstitutional. If you can locate for me a clause found in either Article I, Section 8 or Article II, Section 2 that allows the government to distribute its monies as charity, I'll be impressed. This includes foreign aid.

FrmrSSGT
Not even going to look. What you call charity I call investment. As a military man you have to know unit cohesion is paramount. Lose that and you are back at hang separately. The group decides the rules....

Hal Donahue
My only problem with your citing winning the Cold War was that it was not fought in the press, only in peoples minds. There were no body counts, no nightly views of the dead or tortured, no Abr Grahib (sp) scandals. Only freewheeling spending on weapon systems. One of the biggest squawks was when Jane Fonda went to Moscow and shot off her mouth.

I am not keen on the civil war problem in Iraq either. In unseating Saddam, we did unleash a whirlwind. I hope we can help them settle it before the Libs pull the plug. In my mind though, one goal was accomplished: A man who said he was 1) foursquare for destroying us with terrorism or WMDs is gone, and 2) his support mechanism for said goals is gone.

My only problem with FDR in that context was that he relied on the League too much, especially early on. That too compromises our sovereignty. He was too tentative at the outset, and he did not really accept the Soviet threat. Of course he passed away before that really became apparent.
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