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Sunday, March 01, 2009
Paul Jacob :: Townhall.com Columnist
Remember the Maginot -- or, don't shoot the dog
by Paul Jacob
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You’ve heard the phrase “Fighting the last war.” You have chuckled at apt quotations of “Too many chiefs, not enough braves.” You know the origin of the term FUBAR.

Welcome to modern America, the greatest country on the planet. Which has taken a very wrong turn.

Or so says science fiction writer David Brin, who argues that we are living in a period of “historical anomaly.”

For most of our history, Brin elaborates, America’s “chief approach to dealing with danger . . . was to rely upon a robust citizenry to quickly supplement, augment and reinforce the thin veneer of professionals in a relatively small peacetime warrior-protector caste.” But recently — since World War II and especially since Vietnam — we have developed a massive professional corps to cope with crises. To prevent crises, even.

According to Brin, we used to rely “primarily upon concepts of robustness and resilience”; now we too often aim “to anticipate and forestall every conceivable danger.”

Well, why shouldn’t we?

Simple answer: We can’t.

Most recent crises went unpredicted by the professionals . . . or, if predicted, the predictions went unheeded by other professionals.

Further, major crises were most successfully responded to (and even managed) by amateurs, not professionals. Remember Rudy Giuliani walking through a devastated Manhattan? Remember the heroic firemen? Well, they did their jobs, but on the morning of crisis, and even during the clean-up, it was volunteers who did the most good. In one amazing and amazingly under-reported mobilization, a fleet of boats across the water trekked to Manhattan shores and docks to help evacuate citizens.

If we’d have listened to certain lovers of bureaucracy and planning, those volunteer boatmen would have been prohibited from helping, and the city of New York (or the state, or the federal government) would have kept a fleet ready just for the occasion.

But such technocratic notions only have the gleam of wisdom. As Brin explains, our current reliance upon professionals is unrealistic and . . . unresilient. We didn’t have a fleet of boats. Instead, private citizens’ privately-owned boats served well. It is this ability, in times of crisis, to call up reserves from the private sphere that makes for a resilient social order.

Brin calls himself a futurist, but his ideas sound like common sense to me.

Yes, folks, ordinary people can do extraordinary things. And when we work in tandem with a few professionals, the outcomes tend to be a lot better than if we had handed over the whole job to the pros.

When we slough off the responsibility, on the other hand, those pros tend to become lazy, careless, narrow-visioned, hide-bound, incompetent, greedy. And we, the citizens, become lazier yet, heedless, irresponsible, fearful, accepting, poorer.

Across America many institutions thrive, completely dependent on the older, more reliable form of organization. Many a small-town fire department is run by one or two professionals, with most actual fire fighters serving as unpaid volunteers. Same goes for many a rural ambulance service.

Indeed, a country friend tells me that he had nearly a dozen EMTs in his house ten minutes after he called 9-1-1. That was overkill, but the extras didn’t get in the way. They were just there if needed. Two EMTs took charge. A few of the extras helped move furniture to allow a gurney free access. And the whole event took no more than a half hour.

One might not expect such service from highly paid professionals in urban areas.

The demand for professionals, however — for pros at every level of a government enterprise — can scuttle this sort of voluntary efficiency, and leads to huge public expenditures and exorbitant taxes. And the demand for professionals seems to be growing — at least from other professionals — with each crisis.

The huge expense, the continued growth of this sector — this would all be acceptable if the professional services could do good at their specified jobs. But the quality of service tends to degrade, even to the point of negating the very purpose invoked.

I think of this degradation as the Dead Pet Dog Effect, after the tale of the Maryland town mayor whose house was descended upon by misguided, misdirected drug warriors. This platoon of “professionals” held the innocent family at gunpoint, going so far as to shoot their dogs, not realizing until too late that their target was the actual mayor of Berywyn Heights, and that their case (as well as their warrant) had no merit. This counter-productive unprofessionalism really is the hardly unexpected result of too much professionalism, as well as of too few effective limits on power.

We should heed Brin’s warning. We should begin, again, to suspect folly whenever professionalism becomes the be-all and end-all of a public service. If we “forget our American tradition” we will find ourselves victimized by what Brin calls the “professional protector caste.”

This is not to say that these professionals aren’t needed. But they are needed in context. And we who depend on them must remember that context. We should also keep in mind that these professionals — if employed by governments — typically exhibit certain pretty obvious limitations.

The biggest limitation is lack of resilience, as Brin says. And this limitation seems endemic to government operation, as observed more than a century ago by a major 19th century sociologist:

Unlike private enterprise which quickly modifies its actions to meet emergencies — unlike the shopkeeper who promptly finds the wherewith to satisfy a sudden demand — unlike the railway company which doubles its trains to carry a special influx of passengers; the law-made instrumentality lumbers on under all varieties of circumstances at its habitual rate. By its very nature it is fitted only for average requirements, and inevitably fails under unusual requirements.

Though we might think that bureaucracies and government professional services are there for emergencies, they have historically worked their best just plodding along. FEMA’s inglorious failure with Katrina was not simply the result of an incompetent president. It was part and parcel of how governments go about their routine.

To expect more may be to expect the impossible.

And when experts do try to prevent a future catastrophe, they are often amazingly blinded by their own limits of vision. Think of the Maginot Line. Then think of the Department of Homeland Security, or the TSA.

Placing our trust in government is almost certainly the wrong way to go about securing ourselves from danger. Instead, we should work to keep our governments’ emergency forces lean, adding our own muscle as required.

We would not only save taxes. We would save lives, too. 

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Professionals vs Amateurs
Last week my church's Strategic Planning Committe reported to the body their findings and recommendations. As a professional planner I was impressed by their labor of love. Not only by the passion invoked by the presentation, but by the professionalism of the results. I have seeen many organizations pay tens and hundreds of thousands for dollars for strategic plans that when presented were based on poor data, and incorrect conclusions. Normally it takes about five minutes to unmask a charlattan. These amateurs had sound data and sound conclusions presented in a highly professional manner. I really wish I could use them to support my work efforts.

Putting our trust in the free market....
...hasn't worked out all that well either.

We need government to regulate food safety (e.g. peanut butter), and financial institutions, and we need government to build roads and bridges, etc. and run the air traffic system, and our military security, just to name a few things that 'private enterprise' cannot and will not do.

Those who think we can all just live off the land and barter with each other for skills and goods, like so many free living Davey Crockets, without any intervention from government are suffering from magical thinking.

NRA Training Programs
The NRA actually provides low cost training for Law Enforcement officers. Not all departments have the budget to keep a full time training officer and staff on duty like LAPD or NYPD.

They often send cops for specialized training such as Police sniper/counter sniper training and training with full-auto to programs run by the NRA staffed by NRA-certified small arms instructors. The NRA has ALWAYS had a good working relationship with REAL cops.

When you hear a "cop" bash the NRA he's either a bureaucrat such as a chief or commissioner or some 'crat wannabe.

The famous "cop killer bullet" issue was INVENTED by that famed dirt bag Mario Biaggi (who ended up in prison) to drive a wedge between law enforcement and the NRA. Except for the staff weenies already mentioned most cops have NO PROBLEM with the NRA.

Before Andy Spano killed the two best gun shows in the Metro Area in White Plains and Yonkers about 1 dealer in FIVE was a cop! He took advantage of the (non-existent) "gun show loophole" to shut down the shows. The County Center and the Racetrack are STILL hurting from the lack of business.

All Biaggi did was TEACH the scrotes out there that cops wore armor. The incidence of cops being shot in the neck and head soared but never made it to the press. I wonder why?
NO cop has EVER been killed by a bullet from a handgun defeating his body armor unless it found a gap.

The special bullets are not special because of the Teflon, but the bronze/tungsten alloy they're made of. The Teflon is to keep the hard alloy from tearing up the rifling on the way down the bore. It was invented BY 3 COPS!
It was meant for use in barricaded hostage situations by trained response teams and they are numbered and accounted for to the last round.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Beware lake Nicaragua sharks!!!!
Those are BULL sharks! The one that attacked all those people in Joizey about 90 years ago was probably NOT a Great White but more likely a bull shark. They can take brackish water right off the bat and adapt in DAYS to almost pure fresh. Give em a week and they can swim in the Great Lakes. Thoughts like that keep me warm at night.

I can attest to the veracity of everything Pedro writes. He may have toned some of it down as well. Anyone who has the time would be well advised to skip elk this season and go buff bashing with Robin Hurt. Man THINKS like a Mbogo I swear.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Of course Katrina is Bush's fault
The area is positively DOMINATED by an underclass or Ray Nagin could NEVER win ANY election.

Knowing this, it is also true that the underclass is certifiably liberal.

Knowing this, Bush, and his director, "Brownie" (one of the legs in the 8 legged spider from Texas), had a duty to put ALL POSSIBLE pressure to have all of the mechanisms in place to take care of every possible need for them. After all, any conservatives were smart enough to be gone and there would be a ton of needy liberals that would blame him if he didn't have all of there needs catered to. If they were not so freeging liberal, they wouldn't have needed the help.

He was a marginal president and a HORRIBLE salesman that was armed with the right message. This chapter was truly pitiful.

My ten year old knew the scoop before GW.

Wrat Wrangler...

Wrat Wrangler
Location: NY
Reply # 50
Date: Mar 1, 2009 - 7:43 PM EST Great book for Ratas
Get a copy of "Death in the Long Grass" by the late great Peter Hathaway Capstick. He has a gift for narrative and a lifetime of sea stories involving elephants, cape buffalo, lions, leopards, crocs, hippos and a host of underrated killers. Recommend a good single malt and a puro for the full experience.

When I read his stuff I kick myself even harder for selling my custom Mauser in .375 H&H Magnum. THAT thing was a tack driver! You don't often hear large medium bores described that way but she was a sweet shooter. OUCH!! There is goes again! LOL

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

~~~

Wrat,

I have 7 or 8 of Capstick's books.

Death in silent places, is a title I recall, and I pull these out every 5 years or so and reread them. ( This is now overdue. )

He was a fishing guide in Nicaragua for a time, and caught a fresh water shark.

Opened it up, found it was a pregnant female, curiously picked up one of the babies, and it promptly bit a chunk out of his arm.

I love his stories and metaphors.

The Rat


Illustration:
Here is my response to all of the aforesaid:

http://www.thedrakingpoint.com/cartoons/view/127/just-do-so mething!!!

-Dw>>

Polly
I don't mean to be harsh but don't local and state official have SOME responsibility in the Katrena mess? They had 48 hours warning-Not that the levees would fail,but that this would be very bad? a level 4? maybe 5 hurricane was about to hit a major American city? and when that happens its to late to get congress to pass a bill to up the levees...It is a matter of we need HELP RIGHT FREAKIN NOW!!!! Which was my point of my company offereing to help, RIGHT FREAKIN NOW!

goverment
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms."
-- Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787. ME 6:373, Papers 12:356

Polly
If no one thought it would be that bad then why does Bush become god? Did he know it would be that bad? Do locals have SOME responsibilty to prepare or does George Bush have to "tuck the children into bed " each and every night?

Maginot line
A bit of history as I understand it....The Maginot line was built as a defense of France against German aggression between ww1 and ww2,it followed the French/german border with a line of forts and defensive strong points. These stopped at the Belguin border for POLITICAL reasons,Belgium was a neutral country during both wars..... Germany on the other hand INVADED Belgium both times ,Because it was neutral and was an easy avenue . The French during both wars could not stop the invaders because the hamstrung themsves ,and had to rush forces to an undefened sectcion of their country...They nearly lost in 1914,and DID lose in 1939,because they would not face reality.....So I percieve the USA today...There are none so blind as they will not see........

Mark
In fairness, NO ONE thought NO would be that bad. Why should it be worse than all their other hurricanes? Weren't they all very relieved after the worst of Katrina passed...right up until the levees broke?

The insufficient levees? In all the years Mary Landrieu has been their senator, did she not hear rumors that the levees needed work? Or did the federal government just refuse, for years and years, to send LA any $$. No, no one wanted to spend money on something they couldn't put their name on.

So it's Bush's fault.

Katrena
I work for CSX. just before the hurricane hit,my company had to move the trains out of New Orleans...CSX offered to move folks out on those trains....The state and city did not take them up on it. Guess they did not want to pay for the service....Saved the taxpayers some $ How did that work out for them?

goverment
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms."
-- Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787. ME 6:373, Papers 12:356

goverment
"Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms ... The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard, against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible."
-- Hubert H. Humphrey, Senator, Vice President, 22 October 1959

Goverment
"Whereas civil-rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as military forces, which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."
-- Tench Coxe, in Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution

Hey Bob
Those had to be some of those idiots voted against the elimination of the State Income Tax and now they want $$..talk about stooopid..they'd have had more money to spend without the state income tax. Good Grief Mass
is about as bad as where I live..and I am a native of Mass and moved here due to marriage.
I talk to my sister every week and she tells me how bad the roads are, and all the other services; and all the extra taxes..they are still there because of her elderly in laws and that's the only reason.

You'd be surprised [cont]
One thing I forgot, I saw the FEMA guys in their blue shorts and white shorts with FEMA badges on their chests. I saw them walking around with their lap top computers doing absolutely nothing. I heard they were being paid 28 dollars per hour with perdeim.
Yep, Our people could have done a better job interviewing people however due to the bureaucratic system, we were not allowed.

You'd be surprised
Those of us who do not [[[[enjoy the benefits of large urban paid response teams]]]]]] rely on volunteers, firemen, first responders, etc. and we do pretty well. None of us in the rural area where I live enjoy being paid, however we do it anyway. Some of my firemen/first responders have to scrimp and save for enough gas for response, however they do because they are part of the community. I am not sure most of those who have been raised and lived in the large cities understand we are self sufficient. I worked in the Emergency System during Katrina, spent three weeks running items to the displaced people we had here. No donations from FEMA nor any of Uncle Sam's weepers. The people here who have just enough, cleaned out closets and if they had two of, they gave one. It was incredible. I had three ladies who spent those three weeks sorting everything from food, toys, clothes, shoes, kitchen stuff, and books. We used our Nat. Guard building to work out of.
No we don't have the paid people, but we have the people with heart and who truly care.

To O
Lest readers think that you are referring to some little gun course taught by the NRA, what you are describing is compulsory military service, required by the Swiss Constitution. Compulsory for all Swiss males at age 19 or age 17 depending on which program they opt for, voluntary for Swiss females. 260 days of military training with 7 3-week recalls over the next ten years. (These facts were correct as of 2008---just now I googled.) You are correct that Swiss citizens having undergone this military training do keep firearms in their home. Good luck getting compulsory military training accepted in the United States.

Great book for Ratas
Get a copy of "Death in the Long Grass" by the late great Peter Hathaway Capstick. He has a gift for narrative and a lifetime of sea stories involving elephants, cape buffalo, lions, leopards, crocs, hippos and a host of underrated killers. Recommend a good single malt and a puro for the full experience.

When I read his stuff I kick myself even harder for selling my custom Mauser in .375 H&H Magnum. THAT thing was a tack driver! You don't often hear large medium bores described that way but she was a sweet shooter. OUCH!! There is goes again! LOL

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Excellent Article
Very well put. Very well said. My compliments

Katrina Was A Carter Failure
Carter created FEMA which replaced the our Civil Defense (CD) programs.

For those who do not remember, CD were civilian voluteers trained to respond to all distasters and emergancies. Each communitee had it's own unit and trhe voluteers were each trained to perform specific functions. Some to manage refuge shelters; some to assist with evactuations; some to provide emegrency medical care; and so on. All being trained to function within their own communitees where they had better knowledge of local needs, resources, and means of transportation. The last job I was trained for was to be a radiological monitor. I was provided with an instrament which I kept either in my car or my home, along with charts to record data, and a list of contacts to forward the data to whomever needed it, in the event of a nuclear accident or attack.

We held regular meetings to assure that there were always enough people currently trained with the skills that might be needed and to ascertain that shelters and supplies were properly inventoried and stocked.

But now--we have FEMA. Thanks again, Jimmy.

The Swiss Have It...
...and I'm not talking Swiss cheese. We would do well to emulate the Swiss who have a skeleton cadre of professionals but EVERY able-bodied male is a trained citizen-warrior who keeps firearms in the home and is able to respond to a National crisis within minutes. Extremely cost efficient while providing timely security.

The Swiss Have It...
...and I'm not talking Swiss cheese. We would do well to emulate the Swiss who have a skeleton cadre of professionals but EVERY able-bodied male is a trained citizen-warrior who keeps firearms in the home and is able to respond to a National crisis within minutes. Extremely cost efficient while providing timely security.

OnTheEdge
I just sent my congressman an email about HR45. They want us all disarmed so that it will be easier to take what we have left after they make the money worthless.

Sic Semper Tyrannis

celebrate the bureaucrat
Have you ever noticed no Hollywood movies ever celebrate the "system." Have you read about perfect prior planning? Do we celebrate huge monolithic companies?

The one thing I don't worry about with the current crop of buffoons is that they will eventually fail miserably.

This from a guy who lives and works in some of the nicest small fascist countries. Failure is guaranteed. Individual spirit and success is absolutely guaranteed.

Wars
In the book,ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT,After a respite,the soldiers decided,the next war.We will build a large fence,put in all the generals and heads of state.Give them brick-bats and all the common soldiers watch.We are tired of being sheep led to slaughter.NOT A BAD IDEA!!!!!!

Katz
Thanks for the lead on HR 808.It'll take me a while to digest it,but it IS unsettling,to say the least!(Especially since everything that comes out of Washington these days is the complete opposite of what they claim!)I'll have a few comments to add to your fears,concerning who wrote the bill and what odd "associates" he may have consulted.And I suppose all you gun owners already know about HR 45?!..I guess I'll just have to rely on my precision baseball bat!

What Government?
We are on the verge National disaster (that includes outside hostilities e.g. Korea and Iran) and we're being looted and pillaged by our own Governmant.

Will it come down to Martial Law if Citizens,or Saner media, seriously question them? Is anyone home in Washington?

Thank Goodness America does not practice torture. Well not the physical type.


On David Brin
--
Knowing Dr. Brin as I do (does it surprise anyone that a true American conservative - read "libertarian" - is also a science fiction fan and a futurist?), I went directly to the editorial cited.

Bear in mind Dr. Brin's words in a paragraph near the close:

"Anyway, specifics are nowhere near as important as recognizing the terrifying general trend... with a state security apparatus that seems psychologically bent on solving all problems by scooting farther and farther down a single branch. One that grows ever-narrower and easier to cut off."


This is more important than anything else Mr. Jacob has written.

It is critically important for the "Liberals" to create a state of PSYCHOLOGICAL incapacitation on the part of the American populace.

Do you understand this? Do you understand why this should be such a high priority for those thieving, arrogant, power-lusting, government-worshipping, socialist motherphuckers?

"Victim disarmament" isn't just to deprive each of us - here and now, materially - of the firearms with which a few of us might defend themselves.

It's to psychologically disarm ALL of us, so that we lose touch with the fact that each of us - with our bare hands, if necessary - has the ability and the RIGHT to defend himself.

It's our rights as individuals that the "Liberals" have been attacking, and only by defending individual rights can we combat them.




=====
"It is said that power corrupts, but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power."

-- David Brin

Barry's Schtick
Barry Dunham is running this country like the community organizer he is. Why would we expect things to be different?

In Barry's world...., citizens are victims. They must be helped by big government. He does not recognize individual responsibility, nor does he respect it.We got what we got thanks to millions of DUMB Americans who share Barry's phlosophy.


renny
If you're implying that a similar mistake, once the government takes over/nationalizes health care, would be, uh, even MORE damaging, I heartily agree.

I've wondered what my Kroger grocery store would be like if Obama took THAT over.

I'm also wondering why Obama wants to "save billions" by taking over Sallie & USA and assigning to The Department of Education the task of issuing college loans. ??? My husband simply said, "And now it begins...."

Okay, I lied about the "wondering why" thing. I realize that Obama wants the federal government to be involved in all facets of education. And he wants everyone, children through adults, to perceive The Government as the GIVER of that education. He and William Ayers can form the kids, from pre-school on, into exactly what they want them to be.

Okay, now THAT's what I'm wondering: what do they want them to be? Would it really be fun to run a nation filled with obnoxious, self-indulgent, thuggish, unproductive Obamabots? To what end?

Paleocon
Just saw your post. It's 81 today here in southeastern Arizona. High desert. Clear blue skies and you can see for miles. I have a friend who lives in Virgina and she loves the greenness and beauty there. She couldn't wait to move away from the west. Just goes to show--Different people like different things.

Appreciated what you said. I couldn't believe all those school buses sitting there and not one was being used to help people get out. That was a crime!

Speaking of government "Helping."
My dad raised me to be self-motivated and independent. At the time, I didn't appreciate the gift he was giving me. I did not ask him for money. If I wanted something I had to go out and earn the money to get it. I sure appreciate what he taught me now. He grew up in the depression times. Kids and adults ( myself included) today have little idea what that was like. My mother-in-law, bless her soul, used to wash out used paper towels and dry them on the sink. When I was younger I didn't understand that. With age comes understanding. People would laugh at such things today.

I hope that the USA will not have to go through another Great Depression, but we are a resilient people and I believe we will continue to stand strong in the hard times if they lie ahead.

Folks, don't depend on government to rescue you. It's a logical fallacy. Exercise those muscles and keep your pow(d)er dry.

THE GOV'T PROFESSIONALS
at Soc. Sec. sent my Nov. check to an unknown JP Morgan Chase account and still haven't recovered it. They claim it's my fault for not having direct deposit. (I have my check mailed to me.)

BUT THEY DIRECT DEPOSITED MY CHECK INTO A BOGUS ACCOUNT NO ONE CAN ACCESS.

I think someone at SS stole it.

Thanks God it wasn't my heart transplant they sent to JP Morgan.

Counter point
The day when a rag tag army of farmers and townsmen with deer rifles could defeat a trained military force is gone.
Can ordinary citizens have the expertese to operate against asymmetric terrorists? Granted the government has done a very poor job-porous borders, poor inspection and control of what comes into the country. But that is due to the electorate allowing and keeping people with no common sense in office.
Donald W. Bales

KATZ
OMG, The Department of Peace. Haven't we been long longing for that?!

I, for one, am so darned tired of all the fightin' goin' on around the world. Once the Deparment of Peace is in force....

Paul, Spot on
It isn't that government doesn't want to do good, it does; it isn't that people working in government are bad, they aren't. Central planning simply isn't resilience as you note.

Katrina provides other evidence of that. N.O. was a major city and shipping hub -- sea, land, and Mississippi. It disappeared and commercial industry adapted to that immediately and for the most part there was hardly a blip in commerce. Why? Because millions of untold workers made 100s of millions of individual adaptive decisions. Government could not do that.

Obama's Administration plans to fix the health care system but they can't tell us exactly one. They certainly fixed the mortgage system didn't they? One can only hope they do better with health care.

Before they start, how about a smaller scale test on the FAA? see http://www.publicintegrity.org/investigations/broken_gover nment/articles/entry/1033/. Government has tried to fix this system for nearly 50 years. They've spend billions of dollars. Yet no success. This is a much simpler problem than health care.

Perhaps they ought to show us they can get this right AND actually fix the mortgage system before tackling health care.

STUPIDITY
THE ADMINISTRATION AND CONGRESS WILL ATTEMPT TO ELIMINATE ALL CHRISTIANITY FROM THE COUNTRY PRIOR TO THE 2010 ELECTION. THIS IS A WAY THEY CAN DECRIMINALIZE RAPE, PEDOPHILIA, AND ILLEGAL DRUG CRIMES. WHILE MAKING GUN OWNERSHIP ILLEGAL AND PROHIBITING ALL TALK RADIO.

Pistol

Pistol
Location: FL
Reply # 29
Date: Mar 1, 2009 - 11:48 AM EST Paleocon, Ratas y Ratones
Paleocon
I yield to none in famous name relatives. My grandfather was one of 7 boys (3 girls) all named after famous Americans. My grandfather was George Washington Pistol, the great uncles i can remember were Dewitt Clinton (Clint), Benjamin Franklin (Frank), Thomas Jefferson (Jeff) and Ulysses Grant. Several Georges and Franks in my family to this day, although the famous middle name was dropped.

Ratas
Sorry i misspelled Purdey, a shame to mangle a proud and illustrious name. Paleocon says they are still taking applications, starting at 50 or 60 K, no doubt. I once wrked briefly with an ex-Rohodesian game control Ranger who had killed over 300 elephants. He was a big fan of the .338 Win Mag for its excellent penetration with FMJs, flat trajectory, relatively light recoil and suitability for use in magazine rifles. He was sometimes tasked to take out as many of a herd as he could.

Gotta go. Nice talking to you guys.

~~~

Sorry to see you go,

But, were I a rich dude, I would have some fine English doubles of the last century.

I might not shoot them as recoil kills me.

I do love fine pieces of art and the English guilds created some doozies.

Cordite. Long sticks of nitrocellulose.

Whoo! Gimme a broad that smells like that!

The Famous African hunters of the 1800s are some of my favorite stories.

Please do not ask me to name them. Killimanjaro, and his tiny caliber notwithstanding.

Hunting Elephant with a Black powder "4 bore" ! The recoil would kill me.

And, as I understand, if you don't whack the elephant, it will turn you into a jelly donut within seconds.




H. R. 808
Speaking of distrusting the government, have you seen this site? Speaking of a scary bill....

http://www.thepeacealliance.org/

Paleocon, Ratas y Ratones
Paleocon
I yield to none in famous name relatives. My grandfather was one of 7 boys (3 girls) all named after famous Americans. My grandfather was George Washington Pistol, the great uncles i can remember were Dewitt Clinton (Clint), Benjamin Franklin (Frank), Thomas Jefferson (Jeff) and Ulysses Grant. Several Georges and Franks in my family to this day, although the famous middle name was dropped.

Ratas
Sorry i misspelled Purdey, a shame to mangle a proud and illustrious name. Paleocon says they are still taking applications, starting at 50 or 60 K, no doubt. I once wrked briefly with an ex-Rohodesian game control Ranger who had killed over 300 elephants. He was a big fan of the .338 Win Mag for its excellent penetration with FMJs, flat trajectory, relatively light recoil and suitability for use in magazine rifles. He was sometimes tasked to take out as many of a herd as he could.

Gotta go. Nice talking to you guys.

Pistol
I also had an elder cousin named after Samuel Colt.

jax33: Hmm -- $19k for carpet and nothing for flood victims. That sounds about par for the course.

Jim: I'm sad to say you're probably right.

You're a Pistol

Pistol
Location: FL
Reply # 22
Date: Mar 1, 2009 - 10:17 AM EST ScooterNC
OK OK i stand corrected. Tallking about firearms will always distract me. My neighbors have been a big help during the nasty weather and i trust i have been a source of confidence to them. I am the first house in a 22 home cul-de-sac. Goblins might get in, but if they raise a ruckus, they might run into trouble getting out.

Paleocon
I wondered about Purdey vs Purdy. Everytime i have a 50/50 chance it goes wrong 90 percent of the time.

~~~

Pistol ! Dang you teaser!

I know that you know the difference.

As I do. English Gunmakers were the epitome of firearms manufactury for centuries. The Purdeys. Fine shotguns. Bought by nobles and others of wealth.

I also know you are fully cognizant of the fine rifles made for African Dangerous Game.

Nitro, Cordite, fear in the nostrils, the charge, KABOOM. Good aim, OK, bad aim, sorry.



To conservative online
Open invitation to a great conservative blog website where honest debates on the issues is always welcomed. Stop by for a visit and sit a spell. It is my favorite conservative site and we are generally civil and respectfully to one another opinions and enjoy civil debates on all the current issues. The web address is http://noleftturnz.wordpress.com/


Self-reliance
You only have to mention the words "Katrina," and most educated people would know that Walmart out-performed government.

If you want to see the problems of expecting professionals to do the job, look no further than to the professional clergy-caste. In the case of Christianity, s apirit of Amateurism is best - because amateurs do what they do for love. Not for pay, retirement - (or megachurch spotlights.) You wanna pray? Don't wait for the pastor. Or Rabbi. Most Pastors would agree with me - Except for the ones who think and act like union members, or the ones who love the gushing adoration.)

If Americans would be great again, they'd also take their healthcare back from the professionals. That is, they'd take care of themselves and not pass off their own health to the hands of others. Most doctors would agree with me on this - (at least to a large extent.)

You could write a book on how most Americans won't take care of themselves - and each other. Guess you have to go rural if you wanna see self-sufficiency and love of neighbors. But even there, things are fading fast.

ScooterNC
What you said needs to be continually repeated - Now is the time for ALL GOOD MEN (and Women) to come to the aid of their country. Not good for much else at this time in my life, I will be happy to enlist others to help me form a supportive prayer group. Thanks. Have a great day.

govt. stupidity
Here in Iowa we had a flood that destroyed hundreds of homes and businesses.Our liberal governor started an office for flood assistance.The office was staffed with political pals of the governor.The very forst thing they did was to spend 19 grand to carpet their office.None for the flood victims.

ScooterNC
OK OK i stand corrected. Tallking about firearms will always distract me. My neighbors have been a big help during the nasty weather and i trust i have been a source of confidence to them. I am the first house in a 22 home cul-de-sac. Goblins might get in, but if they raise a ruckus, they might run into trouble getting out.

Paleocon
I wondered about Purdey vs Purdy. Everytime i have a 50/50 chance it goes wrong 90 percent of the time.

Pistol
I'm back. Hadda go eat breakfast and solve the _Weekend Edition Sunday_ puzzle. (Why not? It's usually not very challenging. But I'm forced to pay for it and therefore determined to get my money's worth.)

This week's answer, by the way, is Dallas and Fort Worth.

"A fascinating bore."

Oh, wait. For a second I thought you were talking about Joe Biden.

"Just how many 10's do you think Purdy made?"

Gosh, that's a good one. I'm not sure. The Purdey company has been around nearly 200 years, and it still offers 10s "on application." But I'll note in passing that my relatives used to name a lot of their children after famous people -- Leland Stanford, Thomas Edison, and so on. I had an uncle who was named, perhaps only coincidentally, "James Purdy," without the second _e_.

The ten gauge
A fascinating bore. I almost bought one of those Ithaca semi-auto 10 gauge Roadblockers while they were on the market. but i couldn't justify it to myself and i still was not thinking of firearms as investments. It would have been a good one. But the real weeper was a 10 gauge Purdy side by side i ran across in a gunshop about 1961. They wanted $1000. I knew it was a steal, but passed it up. The metal was like new, the stock excellent, except a red rubber recoil pad was in deteriorating shape. I venture it would be worth close to 100 grand today. Just how many 10's do you think Purdy made?

Paleocon
I remember Donna well. I was in Cocoa Beach Florida and got a call just before it hit here to join a hurricane party at a lady aacquaintances' house in Titusville. I blush to admit i failed to take advantage of the circumstances. Memory has mercifully blurred the details of my strikeout, but i remember the drive in 60 mph winds, dodging blowing trash and a couple felled trees well.

WELL TRAINED SHEEP BELIEVE....
Lets' stay on task here, and reread what is being said. A real crisis is at hand here and now. The mindless belief that government is your saving grace will destroy you.

"Though we might think that bureaucracies and government professional services are there for emergencies, they have historically worked their best just plodding along".

"To expect more may be to expect the impossible".

"And when experts do try to prevent a future catastrophe, they are often amazingly blinded by their own limits of vision".

Mr. Jacob makes a very clear point, historically accurate and totally unarguable.

As some point out, blame placing is more acceptable regardless of fact. There will be the leeches on society regardless. When things don't go their way, blame the other guy for not pulling your sorry a$$ out of trouble you allowed yourself to get into.

Time is close at hand the real rescuers, the volenteers, will be called:

"Now is the time for all GOOD MEN to come to the aid of their country".

Remember this and remember it well.

Paleocon
Endless repetition is right. And it works. Most Democratic voters are non-political and merely ignorant. Now that the economic 2x4 has their attention the impact of politics on pocketbook is suddenly of interest. A majority of Democrat voters don't even know that social security and Medicare are unfunded, except by current tax receipts. They quickly grasp the fact the retiring boomers must either cause a raise in taxes or a drop in payments.

On the other haqnd, the trolls here are hopeless. I won't even read theposts of those i recognize, except by accidental bits and pieces. They are all knee-jerk predictable, following the party line 100%. Never have i seen any glimmer of thought or examination of an issue. Never have i seen a troll say something like I'm a staunch union woman and i favor choice, but i wish the Democrats would drop the issue of gun control. Yet the conservatives voters are often in conflict over issues. Celtic Dragon (whom i haven't seen lately) was staunchly conservative and also GLBT. There have been a few homosexual conservatives weigh in to take issue with issues they disagree with, but vote conservative anyway. But somehow, the trolls are all 100 per cent knee-jerk yellow dog kool-aid klowns.

And good morning to you and Wrat

Pistol
Although I'm younger than you, I've been through a few meteorological upheavals, e.g., Hurricane Donna and the Ash Wednesday Storm (not a hurricane -- an unusually stiff northeaster that coincided with spring tides).

The National Guard showed up for most of them, but it wasn't needed to keep order. Not many neighbors were inclined to take advantage of the common misfortune. Besides, a 10 gauge shotgun has a remarkable calming/deterrent effect. (I eventually inherited it, though at a dollar or more per round it's about as expensive as a cruise missile.)

Community spirit, enlightened self-interest, and disdain for outside experts and other meddlers carried the day again and again.

I would add
Thanks to the Venona Transcripts we KNOW the Rosenbergs were guilty as sin and should have been fried TWICE!!!!!

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Go to You Tube
There's a cop telling a class full of kids that "as a professional I'm the only here qualified to handle this pistol" and then SHOOTS HIMSELF IN THE FOOT with a Glock!!

So much for government "professionals".

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Wrat Wrangler
As a resident of Florida since 1946, i have been through many hurricanes. Downtown Fort Lauderdale had enough water on the main drag to water ski. Houses on the beach were filled with sand level to the window sills. No electricity for over a week, and standing water around the house was too deep to pedal my bike so i pushed it the first 100 feet to higher road. No riots, no national guard, no bailouts, no disaster not taken care of by insurance and private amelioritive agencies. Anybody who would have blamed Truman would have been considered certifiable.

Wrat
Right you are. I should've mentioned _posse comitatus_, but I stuck it under the umbrella of "constitutional crisis."

Recriminations from Democrats, the ACLU, and other usual suspects shouldn't have been a consideration in a matter of life and death. But you're right again -- if Boy George had exceeded his authority, you could've gone to Antarctica and still heard 'em screaming.

Now to answer your question, "How MANY times do we have to go over this?" We have to go over it thousands of times, maybe millions. There are too many who don't get it and won't pipe down. Among the other points that someone needs to make loudly several times a day:

* Bush didn't lie. He had the same intel that Clinton had and reached the same conclusions.

* Lowering tax rates generally increases revenue. (The effect is hard to see, however, if you increase spending faster.)

* Alger Hiss was a spy.

* FDR didn't save us.

* Neither Lincoln nor the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., was a Democrat.

The price of freedom includes not only eternal vigilance, but also endless repetition.

congress
Having professionals in congress has worked out well for us.

How MANY times
do we have to go over this? Once a libtard cherished myth is hatched it's like trying to kill Jason Voorhees!

Nagin didn't WANT to use the 2,500(!!!) yellow school buses that you saw in that photo. He was WAITING for Greyhound to divert comfy motor coaches from all over the South so his constituents would ride to safety in comfort and kiss his ring forever.

By the time HE reacted the buses were under water. Yeah, "School Bus Nagin"- the man who tried to teach buses to swim.

The USELESS governor REFUSED to declare a federal emergency until the worst was almost over. The feds CANNOT just come riding in. Ever hear of posse commitatus? It's IN THE LAW!!! IF Bush had intervened he'd have been called a "cowboy" and a "dictator" yet Sean the Mouth Penn gets his photo taken stalking a bayou (MILES from the scene) with a shotgun and paddling around in a pirogue and gets his butt kissed in the press.

The massive rapes and "bodies piled up in the stadium" NEVER HAPPENED!!! That story DID keep rescue workers OUT of the area though.

Remember the hundreds of yachts, shrimp boats, fishing boats, cabin cruiser, freaking CANOES (!!) lined up to take out refugees? The local wonks wouldn't let them dock until they showed PROOF OF INSURANCE for God's sake.
The Sheriff called back and told them "you can come down here and arrest me!". Jindal called up and told them "I'm Bobby Jindal, Congressman and you can arrest me too, the boats are coming in!"

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Good morning, everyone
h2oskier: Interesting how the officials in New Orleans (the "Chocolate City") and Baton Rouge get a pass. I can't think of much else that Bush could've done in advance except clap a few state and municipal officials in irons, mobilize the National Guard, and forcibly evict everyone in Katrina's projected path. That would've added a layer of confusion and a constitutional crisis to a natural disaster.

FEMA didn't distinguish itself, but when has it ever? Wal-Mart, to cite one example, has repeatedly shown itself better at anticipating and responding to disasters than this feckless agency. The last I heard, some of FEMA's wards were still living in trailers deployed after Hurricane Floyd, which hit nearly a decade ago.
On the other hand, the Coast Guard and other federal agencies performed well.

Barbara: Hope it's warmer in Arizona than it is here.

Maginot's failure was not in designing an inadequate defense, but in being satisfied to contain a mortal enemy. It's ironic that many contemporary observers who deem Maginot a fool revere Truman for the same reason, denounce Reagan for taking containment seriously, and regard Bush 43 as evil because for going beyond containment to preemption.

h20skier
It is incredibly important to many that Bush take the responsibility for the aftermath of Katrina. They have to point to him in order to absolve all the other layers of government that failed so badly. Also concentrating on Bush and FEMA as failures takes the focus off the effective reponse by the military of which Bush is CIC.

Government failed at most levels but can't be allowed to take the rap by those that see government as the answer to all problems. If government as a whole isn't the problem a villain must be found.

I think Bush does deserve a large part of the blame for the fiasco though. A conservative would have been pushing the concept of state responsibility for disaster preparedness. Bush is not a conservative and was comfortable expanding the government at all levels. Doing so exemplifies the problem Jacobs is addressing in his column. Makes one wonder why the libs hate Bush so much. He's one of them.

Andre Maginot
According to the Britannica Concise Encylopedia : "A.M. was a French politician --1877-1932. He was elected to the French Chamber of Deputies in 1910 and fought in WWI where he was severely wounded. He was a strong advocate of military preparedness against Germany.

The Maginot Line was an elaborate defensive barrier in northeastern France along the French-German frontier, built in the 1930's. Made with thick concrete and supplied with heavy guns, it had living quarters, supply storehouses, and underground rail lines. However, it ended at the French-Belgian frontier which German forces crossed in May 1940.
They invaded Belgium on May10, crossed the Somme River, struck at the northern end of the line on May 12, and continued around its rear, making it useless."

Souls for Sale?
When I heard that no one in Congress read the Free-RangePork bill before signing it,I thought they should all be fired for dereliction of duty,but know that would never happen.It's said that each one of them even got a $93,000 bonus out of it,to look the other way?

Paul Jacob...


Paul Jacob,

" And when experts do try to prevent a future catastrophe, they are often amazingly blinded by their own limits of vision. Think of the Maginot Line. "


My only complaint, and it is a tiny one, is that while many on here understand the significance and the historical reference, to the Maginot Line, the vast majority of Americans will say Huh? Also, being lazy, they will not follow your your link.



I'm amazed...

...that there are those out there who think that having government run health care (or government run anything) is a good thing.

I went to the registry of motor vehicles two days ago to register a car. I sat for two and a half hours waiting for somebody to process my paperwork, take my #350 and hand me my plates.

These clowns would take care of one person, then walk away and either go to another window and shuffle papers for five minutes or walk into a back room for five minutes before waiting on another person. The common denominator was five minutes.

I asked a friend who works in the government what the hell was going on. It seems that they're performing a slowdown in the face of projected cuts. They're proving how much they're needed by doing a crappy job. Now THERE'S a bureaucracy mentality.

Imagine somebody doing that in the dreaded private sector? They'd be fired in a heartbeat. In government, it's SOP.

I'm amazed...

...that there are those out there who think that having government run health care (or government run anything) is a good thing.

I went to the registry of motor vehicles two days ago to register a car. I sat for two and a half hours waiting for somebody to process my paperwork, take my #350 and hand me my plates.

These clowns would take care of one person, then walk away and either go to another window and shuffle papers for five minutes or walk into a back room for five minutes before waiting on another person. The common denominator was five minutes.

I asked a friend who works in the government what the hell was going on. It seems that they're performing a slowdown in the face of projected cuts. They're proving how much they're needed by doing a crappy job. Now THERE'S a bureaucracy mentality.

Imagine somebody doing that in the dreaded private sector? They'd be fired in a heartbeat. In government, it's SOP.

h20skier.
You can say that again. And who's this Paul Jacob? An "incompetent president?" Care to call him that to his face?

Jacob ever live rural? Ever know anything more than two anecdotes?

I read this thing only because no George Will is up yet.

Again, who's Paul Jacob?

It's not "Too mnay chiefs, not enough braves," is it? No, only girly PC people would even think that.

Why am I wasting my time here?

Good question.

Why
whenever Katrina is brought up it is always Bush's fault and never the fault of the Democratic mayor of New Orleans, the Democratic governor of Louisiana, or the criminals in N.O. that made rescue dangerous? Yeah, because Bush didn't show up the had to loot DTV so they wouldn't go hungry. There were volunteer rescuers going to N.O. that were turned around by the state and local governments and prevented from helping. That should be the real story.
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