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Sunday, March 16, 2008
Paul Jacob :: Townhall.com Columnist
Upskirt Invasions, Urinary Usurpations
by Paul Jacob
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Privacy. You won’t find the word in the Constitution. But the idea is some how associated with liberty. So Americans have come to expect some degree of freedom from government prying — and government protection from private snoops as well.

But such hopes get dashed. At least, in Oklahoma they do. (Boy, can I say that again!)

One Riccardo Gino Ferrante was arrested in 2006 for aiming a camera up a 16-year-old girl’s skirt, while in a Target store, and was convicted of a felony for his trouble. Unfortunately, four-fifths of Oklahoma’s Court of Criminal Appeals voted that no felony occurred.

Why?

Because “the person photographed was not in a place where she had a reasonable expectation of privacy.”

Now, it is quite true that being in a public place removes or at least significantly decreases one’s expectation of privacy. But ought that extend even to the private space within one’s clothing?

Well, the court answered the question in the affirmative. As Judge Gary Lumpkin wrote in his dissent, “In other words, it is open season for peeping Toms in public places who want to look under a woman’s dress.” Except for the private knuckle-sandwich penalty should the woman in question be related to me.

Government won’t protect civilized society, but we as individuals still can. And must. Otherwise skirt-wearing will become the sole province of women like Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan.

The dissenting judge concluded that the majority’s ruling was“interesting and disturbing.” Nice blurb for an art house flick, but not for a judicial ruling.

The judiciary must be independent. But it should be independent ofthe other branches of government, not detached from common sense, or all semblance of sanity.

Meanwhile, in Washington State, non-skirt-wearing youngsters have just maintained a far higher degree of privacy.

In a tiny rural county in the Evergreen State, a public school had required random drug tests of its sports participants. Since not everyone wanted to pee for the privilege, the case quickly found its way to court. And on Thursday, the issue was decided by the state’s Supreme Court. The state’s privacy guarantees nixed the program.Students have an expectation of privacy and to have their bodily fluids remain under their control.

There has to be reasonable suspicion to require drug tests, at least in Washington State.

Judge Richard Sanders wrote the majority opinion. It is certainly interesting:

The school district asks us to adopt a “special needs” exception to the warrant requirement to allow random and suspicionless drug testing. But we do not recognize such an exception and hold warrantless random and suspicionless drug testing of student athletes violates the Washington State Constitution.
1 Article I, section 7 of the Washington Constitution provides:
No person shall be disturbed in his private affairs, or his home invaded, without authority of law.

It will disturb many people, caught up in America’s war on drugs. But it does not disturb me.

Just as I would not want some Peeping Tom taking pictures up the skirts of my daughters, I would not want some local school forcing them to urinate into a cup simply to make it easier for school personnel to kick out a few drug abusers.

But then, perhaps that’s why my children don’t go to public school. I have worries about not only the level of incivility in the student population,but the levels of lockstep regimentation enforced by administrators and teachers. (I also prefer my children receive a good education, but that is only tangentially related to the issue at hand. Or is it?)

Many people think random drug testing of children is a great idea, liberties and constitutions be damned. But then, many of those same people seem to think that random sobriety checks on roadways are peachy keen.

Call me crazy, but I prefer freedom. It is demonstrated criminal behavior that should warrant the intrusions of police power. Not mere generalized suspicion.

And let’s be quite frank here: random drug tests are there for only one reason, to inspire a general level of fear, with fear (it is publicly hoped)leading to abstinence from the use of prohibited drugs.

You may fear drugs so much that you want your kids to live like that. I don’t.

I have no problem with bad behavior on a student’s part being punished with expulsion. Indeed, I would insist on such a policy in any school my children were to attend. I would want my children protected. This is the proper way to handle such problems.

But such rationality is not found in most public schools, today. Thugs, sots and the merely stoned remain in classes, day after day, no matter how unproductive they may be, no matter how disruptive.

For some reason, though, the lovers of power keep lurching to policies that diminish the liberties of all rather than attack invasive behavior of the few.

It’s nice to know that, in Washington state, at least, “students do not ‘shed their constitutional rights’ at the schoolhouse door.”

It would be nice were a similar privacy right embedded in every state constitution. . . if for no other reason than common sense:it really does seem like a good idea to prevent Peeping Toms fromsurreptitiously snapping photos, upskirt, of women of any age.

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How short was the skirt?
If there was any sense of modesty among young women today there may not be a need for this to be an issue. If a young girl is not wearing a skirt up to her waist then we're forced to look at some dumb slogan as juicy on their behinds. I don't care what age. It's designed to make every man look whether it's a father,preacher,mailman what have you. Of course that is so the man can be labeled as a pervert. Don't ask the parents what's wrong with this picture. They'll tell you that this is what all the kids wear. If privacy is such a big fear then why does it seem that everybody wants to reveal the most personal details of their life to 6 billion people via myspace and reality TV. Why do we have to be bombarded w/some V Day "play" and have to hear genitalia described in so many ways? Because people are so starved for attention?

Mr. Jacob
Welcome to the left-wing, where upskirt shots and other sordid behavior *is* the very idea of freedom. Then again, what do you expect from a political movement which claims a right to privacy every time the government attempts to enforce the law, or when women wish to have their babies butchered, but will claim freedom of the press every time some paparazzi photographer wants to play peeping Tom with a celebrity?

The problem with the concept of a moral right to privacy is that it has no well-defined beginning or end. What should constitute 'private,' in what spheres ought they be 'private,' and why?

Stoic Patriot
"The problem with the concept of a moral right to privacy is that it has no well-defined beginning or end. What should constitute 'private,' in what spheres ought they be 'private,' and why?"

Well for a start two spheres are worth fighting for my home and my body. But sadly Conservatives will not agree to even that. And then an amazing but tragic thing happened the conservatives thought the "right thing" to do was to sacrifice freedom for safety.....sheeple to the core.

heh ...
"Thugs, sots and the merely stoned remain in classes, day after day, no matter how unproductive they may be, no matter how disruptive."

And those are just the teachers!!

;-)

"Call me crazy, but I prefer freedom."
You.

Me.

I've been blessed to find a few more here on TH.

The rest?

pfui.

All you moralizing people...
If the state Court of Criminal Appeals were to find the guy guilty of photographing the girl in the Target store (a public place), than who's to stop the girl in a hot bikini from suing the guy who photographs her as she's playing vollyball on the beach? Suppose the chick says she feels "violated" as some dufus photographs her as she (publicly) flaunts her body.

It starts to become a slippery slope with a whole set of constantly changing "rules" if you allow some folks to be photographed in public & some not.

Playing Sports is not a Right
It seems to me that unless playing football is a right not a privilege, establishing submission to random drug tests as a requirement for the privilege of playing sports should not be an issue for the courts. Students usually have to meet requirements to play sports such as maintaining grades, adequate attendance, etc. So it should not be a question of privacy but of satisfying the requirement to be allowed to play sports. If you don't want to submit to random drug tests, don't play sports.

Let's start at the PATRIOT Act & FISA
I'm bothered by government spying on everything I read, and copying everything I write. I'm bothered by "sneak-and-peek" searches, lo-jacked cars, and eavesdropped telephone conversations.

If the reclamation of our privacy increases the risk of vulnerability to terrorism, so be it. Benjamin Franklin solved that problem more than two centuries ago. The REAL terrorists reside at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

If you'd like Hillary to have that kind of power over you, just say so.

Now let me see...
Who was it, not long ago, defending the notion of cameras following us all over the place, triangulating phone calls, and doing the Ricky Ricardo version of esplainin' to us all, "...there is no right to privacy" and, my personal favorite, "If you got nothing to hide..." (?)

So now we can't even hide the color of our undies, eh?

See what defending this notion of, 'no reasonable expectation of privacy,' leads to? And some of you guys accused me of being a kook.

Hey Unca Alby...

"That's just the teachers."

What a hoot! I am still chuckling at that one.

I guess you anti-privacy guys won't mind if I stand on the steps of the Public Library with my camera now and wait for your wife to stroll by?
How about the church steps? Maybe I can dress in drag and stand outside the toilet stalls and you won't care because, there is, "No such thing as a right to privacy."

After all, you, your spouse, your daughters, "...got nothing to hide."
Or do you?

Hey skier bob...
If playing sports isn't a right, why does everyone in the school district have to pay for the sports programs, the coaches salaries, regardless of their childs participation or even their existence?


Personally, I am convinced sports are the only reason public schools even
exist.

parker
Good posts.

Once again, invasive, boundary-crossing behavior is everybody's perogative and when harmful, is the fault of the victim. Unless, of course, it's the government, monitoring what we do with our bodies, our e-mail, our phone calls, our reading materials, and our conversations; -- then it's Gods work.

another fundamental reason I will never be conservative.


And,
In fact, it makes sense -- why would those who support a government that interferes with our sex life, our married life, our relationships and our health and our reproductive organs have a problem problem with men who molest little girls in a public place?

The way things ought to be...
Is always dependent upon your worldview. It's the liberals who want to control your economic activity and the conservatives who want to control your social activity. Fascist Statists all.

Free this, free that...If it's free why does it cost so much?

The kooks are running the asylum.

Of course, moderates think a little of both is what we need to "run a society." Whatever that means? Naturally, most people are moderates without even realizing it. Confused is a better term.

Liberty and freedom are the result of all men everywhere keeping two simple rules: Do all that you agree to do and, Don't encroach on others person or property. Of course, I realize you know what's best for me, and I can't possibly know what's best for you. And, naturally, your favorite statist program is just dandy, but my disdain for statist programs is dangerous. And why? Well, because you think so. Maybe you need millions of laws, rules, regulations and court decisions to tell you how to live. Personally, I don't.

Doesn't anyone else ever notice the more laws these boobs make, the less orderly society becomes? We always need more police and social workers right after we're told this new legislation is going to 'fix' it.
This time we mean it! Good Grief-wake up.

It all depends


good idea to prevent Peeping Toms from surreptitiously snapping photos, upskirt, of women of any age.
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Does it count either way when the young lady is wearing (if you can call it that) a skirt so short her panties show as she walks.

The other day in the Mall, one, dressed like that, made sure she got on the escalator just a couple of steps above me. And that is not an unusual sight.

======

But one of my favorite rememberances of my Beautiful Sweetie is:

I would have helped Sweetie hold
down her skirt, but
I was busy leading the applause.
_____________

Marilyn Monroe received fame and fortune for a similar scene,
but Sweetie did it best.

(On a Ferry boat, Seattle, Washington)

Will
If you can't understand the difference between taking a picture of a woman openly wearing a bikini on the beach and taking a picture of a woman's underwear by sticking the camera under her skirt, there's little hope for you.

Why look under a woman's skirt?
Conservatives here say:

If an ordinary guy looks under a woman's skirt, he's a pervert. That's BAD.

If a Government agent looks under a woman's skirt, he's probably checking for terrorist bombs. That's GOOD.

That is a complete reversal of what conservatives used to believe 30 years ago. Back then, they were much more libertarian than they are now. They have totally compromised their principles and their integrity so that they can remain fully loyal to every hair-brained scheme of the Bush Administration.

And I predict that 30 seconds after a Democrat takes the oath of office to become President, conservatives will suddenly rediscover their libertarian roots (remember those 500 FBI files in the Clinton White House?).

Sure Steve...
1. Please identify the "conservatives" here who have stated that a government agent looking under a women's skirt to check for terrorist bombs is a good thing.

2. It was over 900 FBI files, Steve, and, by some weird coincidence they were all of Republican political opponents.

And what was your stance on that Steve? Did you buy the "snafu" excuse? I'll bet you did.
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