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Sunday, January 06, 2008
Paul Jacob :: Townhall.com Columnist
Voters aren't stupid
by Paul Jacob
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Isn’t Election Day grand? Caucus Day ’taint bad, neither. That voters can change their representatives at regular intervals is what I like best about government.

Now don’t get me wrong: Neither Republican winner Mike Huckabee nor Democrat champ Barack Obama is my candidate. But the results from Iowa, including their respective victories, show reason for some hope.

Note that both these men have embraced hope, and they may be on to something. Huckabee is actually from Hope, Arkansas. (You realize, of course, that former President Bill Clinton was also from Hope, Arkansas. Huckabee points out, however, that Clinton isn’t really from Hope. True, Clinton was born in Hope, but he grew up in Hot Springs. Just so you know.)

Barack Obama’s book was entitled The Audacity of Hope. Like Martin Luther King, Obama consistently uses hope as a theme. It’s a good theme, for as Dr. King said, “Everything that is done in the world is done by hope.”

Right off the bat, the results offer real hope for a break from 20 years of Clintons and Bushes in the White House. That alone is cause for celebration. Hillary Clinton, the Democrats' anointed heir, wasn’t merely nudged out by Obama, she came in nine points back. And in third place, behind John Edwards.

To add insult to injury, NBC’s Andrea Mitchell reported that the Clinton caucus night party was “a completely manufactured event.”

Hillary is running on her experience, her 35 years fighting for folks like you and me. But she’s only been a U.S. Senator for eight years. Before that she was First Lady. Or was that co-president? If she was really co-president, shouldn’t she be asked, “Why did you pardon Marc Rich?”

And going back 35 years? I guess taking pay-offs in cattle futures when Bill was governor of Arkansas counts as fighting for us, too. Indeed, she has loads of Washington-relevant experience.

Best of all, it wasn’t merely a rejection of Hillary Clinton, it was also a hopeful sign that organized labor, especially the government employees unions, may no longer have a complete stranglehold on the Democratic Party.

Obama had no notable labor union support. Meanwhile, Clinton had massive help in Iowa from the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees and the American Federation of Teachers, along with other unions. The New Hampshire affiliate of the National Education Association, the nation’s largest teachers union, has also endorsed her. In both Iowa and New Hampshire, Edwards has support from the Service Employees International Union.

Obama’s win also demonstrates a new day in politics, one in which race doesn’t matter so much. This is a day too long in coming, but be glad it’s here. Iowa is less than three percent black. And yet that was not a factor. That’s to Obama’s credit, because the Illinois Senator did not run as a black man, but as a man. It is also to the credit of Iowa voters, who saw him that very same way.

Nor, apparently, does gender matter much. Clinton has at times led Obama, nationally, among blacks. And last Thursday night in Iowa, he led Mrs. Clinton among women. There were many affirmative actions taken by voters and candidates, but none forced by government mandate.

The Iowa caucus also contradicted the steady media barrage claiming that money is all-important. To voters it isn’t. Huckabee is badly trailing the other candidates in fundraising, especially former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney. But he won.

If voters can see through well-funded campaigns, as Iowa proves they can, why all the campaign finance regulations?

No, I’m no fan of Huckabee. Oh, I do acknowledge and appreciate that he has always been a strong supporter of term limits, his rise in Arkansas politics being in part attributed to that stance. But fiscal conservatives in Arkansas have been thoroughly frustrated with his George W-like spending addiction. Both are very compassionate when spending other people’s money.

Nor am I a fan of Barack Obama. But to see the political establishment in both major parties, as well as a whole slew of the nation’s most greedy special interests, get a good whipping in Iowa was extremely enjoyable.

I am a fan of Ron Paul. No miracles happened in Iowa for his campaign, just a decent showing of ten percent, far above his national polling numbers. Now he's polling at 14 percent in New Hampshire, third place in front of Huckabee. He has proved to the world that he is worth watching . . . but not on Fox.

Elections give voters a chance to speak. That’s half the battle. Someday we’ll achieve the other half and make politicians actually listen.

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Great honest piece
I love it when articles that give opinion are opinion articles and not an attempt to spin facts or half truths. I hate it when pundits try and spin facts to support their opinions or candidates.

What?
Wow what is this guy doing writing at Townhall?

I disagree with everything
including the title. Voters ARE stupid. They elected Bill Clinotn twice.

I rest my case.

The Politics of Stupidity
Not only are voters stupid, but we now have campaigns that depend on it. In general elections it's been that way for some time. There are lots of votes to be gotten by pandering to the stupid - obviously they're the easiest to convince.

Amazingly now even in the Republican Primary; a place usually restricted to the informed and thoughtful; the politics of stupidity is making great gains. A slick talking, snake oil selling, man of the cloth convinced heavily subsidized and remarkably prosperous Iowans the "the Government was keeping them down."

In New Hampshire, an incoherent liberal who supports amnesty, free speech restrictions, and higher taxes, is convincing folks he's the "straight talk" guy who's going to fix what's wrong with Washington - even though he's been what's wrong with Washington for all of my adult lifetime.

Voters aren't what?

Vic, Crescen7
Count me in. I was even going to mention snake oil salesmen, until you beat me to it. The good news is the voters are rejecting business as usual -- and then incredibly went for the candidates that are actually promising more of the same. Namely, vote for me and govt under my beneficial leadership will solve all your problems. I had made up my mind if Huck is the GOP candidate i'll vote fringe. As i see more of his stances, i may well vote for B Hussein O. For 2 reasons. He is more of a blank sheet, no one knows what he will do. And mainly, if we are heading for bankruptcy, massive inflation/stagflation, economic paralysis from higher taxes and capital flight, i want a D after the president's name. Otherwise there is no voter choice. There are choices, but they don't involve ballots.

Did You expect
Were you expecting all the Democrats to come out for Ron Paul? The Dems were caucusing for a Dem and that it turned out not to be Hillary is the story. If they had bought into the Clinton baloney it would have proved blind stupidity.

On the Republican side Iowa has a large Christian segment worried about the unraveling of traditional structures within society. Huckabee did not lead people to that position, he latched on to it and rode what was there. It should not be sufficient to take him to the White House but all Republicans would do well to treat the sentiment lifting Huckabee as the canary in the coal mine. To ignore it is to pave the way for an even more populist figure in the future. That would be a bad thing.

A sad situation
One reason that I believe voters are stupid is that we continue to allow states like Iowa and New Hampshire to determine whom we vote for.

It is entirely likely that, by the time I get to vote in a primary, my two favorite candidates (Hunter and Thompson) may have quit the race -- in part because of poor showings in Iowa and New Hampshire.

Yet year after year, Americans allow this archaic, antiquated and completely unrepresentative system to determine who gets on the final ballot. Meanwhile, I think Mr. Jacob and his manic waving of political pom-poms should find a home other than TH.

USMC Lt.
LOL, the list is endless.

I like these quotes sincew ALL the candidates are running as "reform candidates".

Quotes from Heinlein on reform politicians:

I don't trust a man who talks about ethics when he's picking my pockets.

All it takes to get a reform politician to break his word is for someone to get his ear and convince him that it is necessary for the greater good of all the peepul. He'll geek.

Wrong Direction Jacob
As some have already pointed out, voters, who are people (as in sheeple), are stupid when it comes to politics. Expectations otherwise? People cannot live their lives with blinders on for 7 plus years then be expected to vote smart on election day. And who helps us to make election choices? Pundits, writers, TV, radio, newspapers, Hollywood, corporate America, academia, -- and I don't want to hear about that, I just want it now and to feel good about myself. To those pundits who rang our bell 8 years ago about Jorge and illegals, please stand up.

Voters aren't stupid?
If voters aren't stupid, how do you explain Ted Kennedy, Robert Byrd, Maxine Waters, William Jefferson, Shiela Jackson Lee, Dennis Hastert, John Murtha, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, Alcee Hastings, Corinne Brown, and, of course, Clinton & Clinton?

for Arby
Arby writes: "It is entirely likely that, by the time I get to vote in a primary, my two favorite candidates (Hunter and Thompson) may have quit the race -- in part because of poor showings in Iowa and New Hampshire."

Which states would you prefer to have gone first?

Which state would have given Fred a big early win?

The states Fred was hoping to capture--socially conservative Southern states like South Carolina--were trending to Huckabee even before Iowa held its caucus.

The problem wasn't the primary process. It's the fact that Huckabee's social conservatism has proven to be more of a draw to the Christian GOP base than Fred's federalism.

Huckabee took a lot of votes away from Fred.

for Doug
Doug writes: "If voters aren't stupid, how do you explain Ted Kennedy, Robert Byrd, Maxine Waters, William Jefferson, Shiela Jackson Lee, Dennis Hastert, John Murtha, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, Alcee Hastings, Corinne Brown, and, of course, Clinton & Clinton?"

The same electorate that voted in Clinton, also voted in Bush 41 and Bush 43.

Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.

You can't call them "stupid" only when they don't vote for your candidate in one election and ignore the times they voted for your candidate in other elections.

For a nation of "stupid" people, in just two centuries we have built and maintained the world's mightiest superpower, outlasting such "smart" folks as the British Empire, the French Empire, the Japanese Imperial Empire, Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Empire.

We're doing all right.

We make mistakes.
But we learn from our mistakes, we fix those mistakes, and we keep going.

Be gracious enough to acknowledge that Americans see something positive in a young, optimistic Barack Obama; something they don't see in a scowling Duncan Hunter or a grumpy Fred Thompson.

Don't fear the young generation's idealism.

The Way it is.
Newspapers are written based on the assumption that the reading level of their average reader is equivalent to seven grades of education. They long ago recognized that only 1 in 5 of those who start high school, either finish or go on to college. They then regress in such skills because they almost exclusively read newspapers and magazines, or watch television. Most of these people, in turn, know little or nothing about economics, history or government.

Obama and Huckabee can sell hope, unsupported by any realistic policies needed to realize that hope, because of this. If they did try to be policy wonks - it would go over the heads of a majority of the voters. Years ago I ran a few campaigns, and the first lesson of the campaign was that if you want a majority of the people to grasp a point - you could only make it one line long. Most people vote for someone who seems to have views that coincide with theirs. In reality, politicians have no real views, they simply position themselves to adopt views that the majority in their district or state agree with - in the hopes that majority will then vote for them.

Which is why we read about these candidates "repositioning" themselves in NH. The question becomes were they lying in Iowa, or are they lying now?

The concept of authentic is nonsense. Politicians are like soap, each year the same old Tide is sold in the next campaign as the "all new Tide". And people buy it.

Now, we hear about the politics of change. There is, of course, no change at all. It's the same parties, the same candidates, the same problems and the same issues. The reason governors win the Prsidency more often than Senators, is because for centuries politicians have run "against Washington". And for centuries, the public has bought it.

And they still are. This year the soap is hope, change, and authenticity.

Give me a break.

Obama Black
I see that you label Obama as black, oops African-American. I thought only one of his parents was black. Where is the line for mixed blood when half black is black? Even one drop? I'm just askin'.

Anecdotal only: So far it seems to me

that MOST of those who plan to vote for any one of the Republican candidates are far more informed than those who claim to be voting for any one of the demo candidates.

Most of the Republicans have at least a grasp of the "issues" and who the candidates are... and can discuss it... (except for the ronpaul fans, of course!)

Most of the demos seem to simply respond (for example) "Hillary seems like a strong women...."

In fact, one friend of mine (yes I do have demo friends) not only said that “Hillary seems to be a strong women” also said, “… well something needs to be done with our health care…” But when asked “What?” her response was “I dunno know!”

That’s scary!


Just like
diapers, politicians must to be changed.

Anne: Good Moring and ...
It's too bad we can't say the same for the candidates.

On the Dem side we have experience, change and hope -- now there's a set of issues. Experience -- translation I'm an old bag and for 35 years have been changing things. Just last week I had the handyman move the sofa from there to there. Change -- from what to what? Why? Hope -- I sure hope they don't attack us if I talk nice. Universal health coverage -- now there's a goody that we can't afford. It doesn't take much effort to realize that Medicare and Medicaid are fiscally unsound. To that we add even more crushing entitlement spending and pay for it, how? We are going to soak the rich and also close corporate tax loopholes on evil big business. Which in a global economy drives business operations offshore because companies will be able to invest and earn more elsewhere. That's a fantasy set of policies.

Republicans, well what do they stand for? Paul, Constitution and peace at no price (there's a policy that should work with rampant terror). There's a pack of 'em spinning like cheap tops at a toy-maker's convention. Excuse me, I'm about to be ill.

My aren't we grouchy this morning? I'm going to go shovel some snow.


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Anne writes:
Sunday, January, 06, 2008 9:26 AM
Anecdotal only: So far it seems to me

that MOST of those who plan to vote for any one of the Republican candidates are far more informed than those who claim to be voting for any one of the demo candidates.

Most of the Republicans have at least a grasp of the "issues" and who the candidates are... and can discuss it...

Redlac
What you say, as a political handler, just proves the point that many of us made on here; the average voter is in fact STUPID.

Some of us do realize that the candidate have changed their position more often than they change their underwear. Some of us do have a memory that is longer than 24 hours and we do remember people like Rudy campaigning for Gun Control we remember people like Huckleberry voting for higher taxes, and we remember McCain trying to pass a bill with Ted Kennedy to give round two of illegal amnesty after promising that there would only be one round of amnesty and then calling us names.

That is why we look at the records of candidates and not their latest rhetoric. Their records give rise to the lies in their rhetoric and some of us WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANOTHER LYING WEASIL RINO regardless of the poor quality of the Democrat opponent. If the Democrats run Beelzebub himself as a candidate I will not vote for another RINO just because he has an (R) after his name.

Scary?
What is more scary than thinking that because Hillary is a "strong woman" (she is, like it or not)she is qualified for POTUS (which she isn't), is the fact that many on TH and in the Republican Party equate "conservatism" with the Neocon agenda.

The Neocons fly false colors and, like George Will, Bill Kristol, et. al., abandon ship when the useful idiots they've snookered catch onto their viscious game.

Most in both parties don't know the patron saint of the Neocons, Leo Strauss, or his crafty, esoteric post-modern political philosophy that is at the heart of Neoconservatism. Nor do they know that as far as the Neocons are concerned their deception works equally well in the colors of both the left and right.

Their game: poltical dominance through the "noble lie" that manipulates the well-intended, the rabble, and those who think they have IQ's over 200.

These serpentine eltists took an unexpected kick in the head in Iowa and are now looking for someone to bite. Just so long as the POTUS is someone they can manipulate, they could care less -- whether it is Huckabee or Edwards, Clinton or Giuliani.

They have been playing both parties like a harp for decades to the point where the core of each party is looking more and more the same.

Jacobs' delight in the results of Iowa indicates a sense of what has been going on; and, in fact,the worst enemy of these efete, elitists, these would-be political gurus of the future, is: Populism. Hence the outcry!

Hilary
I think some of the votes for Obama and Edwards were actually votes against Hilary

brother
you lost me when you intimated obama would not be a disaster for america. but you really lost me when you said you support ron paul. i stopped reading you column at that point. sorry, but that man should not even be in congress. of course no dems should be either.

Voters are not stupid
but they are often woefully uninformed and guided by feelings and emotions.

What is great is this country and its system of govenment. Too much harm can not be done by a president because we vote him out. Sometimes, we are slow learners but we get the job done and learn from hindsight.

Even Chavez in Venezuela has found his dreams of absolute dictatorship thwarted by the people and their longing for freedom.

We are now at a point the voters detest the pollarization in the congress. They don't just want a change in the president because he can only do so much alone, change is needed in the hearts and minds of the legislatures and in the judges in this country who are trying to make law and get away from the constitution that has guided us so well for so long.

Some voters are REALLY stupid
like the woman on Fox the other night who was going to vote for Edwards because he has a cute haircut. I guess good hair is pretty important for the average Democrat, now that I think of it.

Fox Press & Elko.mike
To Meg: About even Fox turning Lib: Did any of you notice that when some major Fox stock holdings were purchased by a rich Arab, Fox News started playing down anything having to do with terror or Muslims?

Elko.mike: You should be a writer. A good sane well written comment. Thanks!

God, please help me, when I, a staunch conservative Republican, am even looking at Ron Paul. Please anyone who can defeat those take from the rich and give to the poor, "Robbing hoods".

Vic
If the rolling polls rom RealClearPolitics are accurate, Obama and McCain will win NH, and Huckabee will rise and finish a respectable 3rd. Obama and Huckabee will then win in SC, and Huckabee, who in mid-December polled with a few points of Guiliani, will likely win Florida. Thompson doesn't seem to have any early state he is doing well enough to win, McCain's victory in NH still doesn't seem likely to vault him up the ladder very far, and Romney could be put on the margins by SuperTuesday.

I'll be frank, I never thought I'd be looking at a Guiliani-Huckabee GOP primary, and I never thought Obama could take Clinton out - even though I always thought she was a third rate candidate.

Evangelicals accounted for 1/3 of all the votes Bush picked up in 04) yet I can't see them having any more enthusiasm for a serial divorcee like Guiliani - than for Obama - who isn't one, and I can't see other parts of the GOP having much enthusiasm for a Southern Baptist preacher and his politics of the poor and of helping illegal immigrants rather than sending them home.

If it comes down to what it seems to have a good shot at coming down to - then I'm with you.

Give it to the Democrats because at least when the economic crisis we're facing comes, we can blame it on them. And then maybe, the GOP will find the right roots to solve it. If the GOP owns the presidency, however, it could Hoover itself into oblivion. We have an aging population and cannot pay for the entitlements we've voted, let alone adopt a national health insurance program insured by the government (which 2/3's of the people recently supported in polls), and we can't run up another $4 trillion in deficits as we did under Bush and keep selling the debt to countries like China.

Guilinia or Huckabee will simply kick the can down the road.

So let it be a Democrat who does the kicking - not a Republican.

redlc
At least we have all those immigrants to fill in with poulation growth since our current population is not inclined to having babies.

I am for controlling this influx of population then requiring those here and those to come to learn English and have knowledge of our government before they can become citizens. All else can go back to where they came. Those remaining can become real Americans.

Huckabee
People seem to attach motivations to Huckabee that do not exist.

Even if he isnt your guy, at least being reasonably informed would be an improvement.

Illegal Immigrates
LOCO: Your plan sounds nice, but won't work. Most of the illegals I know are illiterate. So learning English and writing a test for citizenship is out of the question. Maybe I just know the illiterate ones, but best to send them back and have secure borders, but of course, that will never happen. Look at the "fence". It will never be built because Homeland Security now has the money voted on for the fence and can use it for anything they want. We stupid voters were nookered again.

Redlac
Personnally I don't think Hucklberry will win SC and I sure as h*ll don't think McShame will win it.

What I see is that the media, the handlers and the elites control the polls until the last minute trying to influence the people and their donations. On the last day in order to assure that they don’t look like complete idiots they conduct a true poll and report something a little more accurate. The fact is that people like Huckleberry don’t rise up out of nowhere in the last week of running.

What I think will happen in SC for the Dems is dependent on NH. If Obama beets Hillary in NH the blacks in SC will flock to Obama. Hillary will get the old yellow dog Democrats and Obama will take SC in a landslide.

On the Republican side the Huckster may pick up some of the evangelical votes but he will not have a large following because the evangelicals in SC are conservative and not liberal as in Iowa. McShame will get some votes from the retired military who don’t follow politics that much, but since the primaries are for the hardcore it will not be enough to get by. Rudy doesn’t have a chance in SC after initiating lawsuits against SC gun dealers. He will be lucky to get his own paid SC representative’s vote. Romney was already not trusted because he was a MA liberal and being a Mormon doesn’t help him. My prediction is what the very early polls said, Fred will walk away with SC handily.

Elko.Mike 9:46 am
Dear Elko,

You say that Medicare and Medicaid are fiscally unsound...The war in Iraq is fiscally unsound to the tune of trillions (how will we ever pay that back? probably by getting rid of Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security), and please, don't tell me we are going to abort definitely damaged fetuses because we know that they will be a drain on society; that's where all this disability from birth comes in? Or are we going to let the parents have them, and then encourage them to take the tube away, and let their damaged babies die in grace, instead of giving them the best shot they will have for a future; Just wo's going to play God here?

If you look at it in the recent past, that seems where we are heading. All fine Neocon ideas, except you all had my money for the last 34 of my working years as far as I knew deposited in a Social Security trust with my name on it, waiting until I was 62, or something like that, and a good Medicare system, not one where I had to choose between medicine or surgery, between death now or prolonged death. You all talked a good talk, and now you're all so used to double digit income on your investments, you just can't handle livng up to your responsibility of the entitlement programs you've been collecting American dollars for for over 40 years.

I'd like to say IT'S TOO LATE; YOU CAN'T RENIG ON OUR MONEY AND YOUR PROMISES, but I know the only ones who will hear me are the homeless, where I may soon be when I hit that magic age and the college retires me. Anyway, Elko, just some thought I had after reading your comments...toodles!!!

Thoughts on Iowa
It is still very early in the presidential race so I hate to make sweeping generalizations about the meaning of the Iowa caucus results but a few things do stand out. Hillary cannot count on the easy coronation she was hoping for. She may still be the eventual nominee but she will have to work for it. As some posters have said kudos to the Iowans for supporting Obama as a man not a black man. I can't stand Edwards so I believe much of his vote was an anti-Hillary one. Huckabee picked up the moral values vote. How that will translate downthe line remains to be seen. I personally like Romney. Again as has been stated money doesn't mean everything. He will have to work harder and that doesn't always mean more advertising dollars. I could accept Guiliani based on his strong foreign policy stance. How he plays in further heartland states will be telling. Fasten your seat belts folks and prepare for an interesting ride. A good day to all.

Hey Redlac
It was i who first said give the mess to the Dems, not Vic, that copycat johnny come lately. :-D Actually quite a bunch of us saw this possibility coming 'way back in 06. If its a RINO GOP candidate, best the Dem wins.

I would
put all the those running for president on the stage, then ask one question: Which one of you will deport all the illegals--just raise your hand---no damn word spin. After which, if no hands were raised, i would say get off the stage.
Then, i would look for someone with guts..

VOTERS AREN'T STUPID?

.....Do you have any evidence to prove that? ...

.....I would hate to turn the reins of the Government over to someone who relies on hope ...hope for what? ...

....Obama's hope is to kill off our Republic and to replace it with a Socialist State ...ditto all Democrats ...

.....Huckabee's hope is to replace the "hard hearted" Conservatives in the Party with Compassionate Liberalism ...

.....As for me ...I'll go with the advice of my dear departed Grandpa ...who said, "Son, if you depend on hope to get you somewhere ...hope in one hand and take a dump in the other and see which one fills up first" .....COLOSSUS

Vic/Savage
I have only looked at the most recent polls, however accurate on SC, and they have Huck up by 7%. Having said that, what you and the Savage understand is that we have a one party system masquereding as a two party system. If Guiliani hadn't switched, he'be be running as a Democrat - and no one would know the difference. Huckabee, with his Carter-baptist roots, politics of the poor and idealism, could also just as easily be running as a Democrat. Obama could also have swapped parties.

All we have are shades of gray and nuanced positions - none of which are remarkably different. The politics of hope is nothing more than cover to enable the public and the candidates to avoid the tough questions and pose the tough answers. Everyone loves tax cuts - no wants to cut spending. Everyone wants to believe in a bright future - no one wants to talk about the sacrifices they'll have to make to get there. Everyone wants to love their neighbor - no one wants to ask what kind of a country we'll have if we love him too much. So, sell some really good soap. Call it hope.

At this point, we might as well stop pretending that we have two parties, and use the Russian model. At least in a one party state, we don't have to waste time and money pretending we actually have two different parties.

Leilanie
Illiteracy is a straw man. There are millions of perfectly literate well educated folks from all over the world who aren't here because they are excluded by quotas. Enforce the law. If then we need more immigrants, open the legal programs. There are a bunch of them, covering everything from braceros to temporarily pick crops to engineers.

Savage99: Australian model!

Or at least it used to be....

If a company wished to "import" a worker, they had to prove to the gov't. (that issued the work visa) that they were unable to find a native Australian who was willing and able to do the job.

Then, and only then, would a work visa be issued to a specific person.






OBAMA
Well Well,well

Now that it looks like HITLERY is going to be tested by OBAMA , do you LIBS actually think the the CLINTONEESTAS will leave OBAMA alone? HELL NO I would bet that HITLERY has already been on the phone with KKK BRYD and trying to figure out how to LIGHT all them Crosses she stole from Christmas.

Obama has did the DEMOCRAP boggey and that want work. He has broken away from the LIBS PLANTATION and become successful. So you better watch out you better not pout for HITLERY CLAUSE is getting her crosses ready for you to burn out.

Immigration
Anne and Savage99:
You are absolutely right, Anne, but even with an "as needed basis", it takes forever to get a visa to work and that, my friend, is the problem. They just come anyway they can and stay, even the educated engineers and such as you state, Savage. Making employers document their workers/employees WITH PHOTO IDs is probably the only way to stop this or have any control over who is here in OUR country. If you could see what happens here in Houston at the day laborers sites, you'd be shocked. People/citizens observing are being attacked. Of course, you don't see that in the news, do you?

Three Parties?
redlac writes:

"At this point, we might as well stop pretending that we have two parties, and use the Russian model. At least in a one party state, we don't have to waste time and money pretending we actually have two different parties."

Actually, we already have three parties: two that are marginally different and organized, and the third an unorganized "party": Independent/"unenrolled". The latter, of course is not recognized as such but it is carrying a big stick in the coming election.

Wouldn't surprise me to see the first two become one, half-jackass and half elephant, and the other become either organized or finely fractured into many more.

As it is, both Dems and Repubs are running scared of the independents who carry the swing votes.

Might as well go the whole way: get seriously organized and field their own candidates.

Ah, but the Neocons would simply walk in and pick up the pieces -- most likely.

Twiddledee, twiddledum. Ho hum.

Leilanie: Actually, on an "as needed"

basis, it wouldn't (shouldn't) take that long.

One of the existing problems is that they are over-whelmed with randum applications. So, if it was more on an as-needed basis, the volumn would necessarily be cut back.

And one thing that people NEED to understand is that NO ONE has the RIGHT to immigrate to the USA, any more than I have the RIGHT to immigrate to any other country.

Not to sound harsh about this, but the US Gov't's only real responsibility is to this country and its citizens. And they are obliged to do whatever they need to do in order to protect us and our well being.




Leilanie
Agreed, agreed. The thousands of INS emplyees are just not doing their job. Visas, tracking legals, punishing lawbreeakers are just not being done. Mexico does it, Russia does it, Italy does it. America does not. Enforce existing law, whatever it takes. Extra employees could pay their way by collecting fines from law=breaking employers. I would love to have a govt contract which paid me 50% of the fines collected from law breaker employers my little company could uncover. At say $1000 a pop i would soon be snooting it with Gates and Oprah.
The day labor situation sounds like a good place for a double video set up. You know, a sturdy group of bravos willing to trade licks with illegals starts to video them up close. The illegals rise to the bait and get nasty and hopefully even physical. Meanwhile a surreptitious cameraman films the whole mess. Fox might even print it. Am i Machiavellian or what? Heh heh he he he...

Iowa cauci
The most crowded cauci was Iowa City.That town is over run with guilt ridden libs,so I would guess they went overboard for Oprah Obama

Immigration & Government Protect?
Anne, I know from personal experience how long it takes to get a visa....long. Several people I know have just come here and stayed because it takes too long. They are still waiting while working.
As to our government's "obligation to protect us and to have our best interests"? Give me a break! When was the last time you've seen a government employee, including those elected, protect us and our borders and have done anything in OUR best interest. Maybe their own best interest, but certainly not ours. Yes, I'm very cynical about our country ever pulling out of this mire.

Hope Springs Eternal
I HOPE that the Other Huckster From Hope is looked at a little more closely by the supposedly intelligent electorate. Would these be the same folks that vote for Democratic legislatures and then complain when their tax keep going up while government services are cut? The same savants that think John McLame is a conservative and Hillary Clinton a moderate? Just what are these benighted idiots hoping for? The voters are just baby birds, cheeping and opening their mouths wide for the federal worm to be dropped into their insatiable gullets. The more fool them.

Savage99
I have a very good, close friend who works for ICE, and he took time from the holidays to fill me in on some interesting tidbits about our laws concerning illegal immigrants. It seems Mexico will not take back any of its citizens without travel papers, like passports. So, out of the goodness of our pockets, we must spend six months getting the illegal alien a passport to go back to his country of origin. Also, if an illegal commits a crime here, and is arraigned, he automatically gets immunity for six months while the paperwork is done. Since he has immunity, his case goes to Limbo.

My friend will keep me updated, and I will pass along everything he divulges.....

MWHAHAHAHA!!!

I learned allot from reading
comments.
NeoCons are the elitists that they claim the MSM is. You are smart if you agree with me stupid if you don't. Their justification does not go beyond that.
Guess what voters are not stupid.
Under Clinton they got the budget balanced. Cant say that under Bush. Under Bush and Majority conservative congress spending was out of control.

Here is the thing conservatives do not understand. YOU CAN NOT BE HALF LIBERAL. The NeoCons are in Bed with Big Business, like they were in bed with Saddam, and Al Qaeda before they were against them.
If you tax people, people want the government to take care of them.
This Idea of free market when Business is going well but corporate socialism when it is not, is destroying our party and the people faith in their government.

YLG
While i was in the Army, active duty 53 to 56, aliens were drafted after 6 months. Back then, Europe was in shambles and immigration pressure was intense. My basic training squad had a young man from Germany in it. He spoke excellent English with the usual British accent, common in Euros who learn their English in school. He was constantly puzzled by how the blazes Germany ever lost a war to such sloppy soldiers. Quote "in the German Army this group wouldn't qualify for the Boy Scouts".

Savage99
Amazing what a few years' difference makes, doesn't it?

Strength of character and a strong work ethic are developed by strict discipline. This was ingrained into us by my dad while growing up in PR. Amazing wht happens when the incentive to work hard for a priceless priviledge is taken away.

Huckabee said it best
Huckabee = LIAR
"Any man who would lie to get the job....." Mike Huckabee

Oh really Mike, How do these words taste to you? They are yours.
Huckabee Said He Supported The Surge Before Romney. “I supported the president in the war before you did. I supported the surge when you didn’t.” (ABC/WMUR, [Unverified Transcript], Republican Presidential Candidate Debate, Manchester, NH, 1/5/08)

One Year Ago, Gov. Huckabee Did Not Offer His Support For The Surge:

Gov. Huckabee, January 2007: “Well, I’m Not Sure That I Support The Troop Surge.” MSNBC’s NORAH O’DONNELL: “We have a Rudy Giuliani, who supports the president’s plan on Iraq. We have Governor Mitt Romney, who also supports a troop surge. How are you different from any of those candidates.” HUCKABEE: “Well, I’m not sure that I support the troop surge, if that surge has to come from our Guard and Reserve troops, which have really been overly stretched.” (MSNBC’s “Live,” 1/24/07)

New Hampshire is not a tent revival and the Granite State will not be kind to a slick con man.

steve l
you maintain the same electorate that voted for bubba also put the current president in office. But there are some differences. Bubba at least ran against two who were men of far more honor and capabilities than alldull and heinz/kerry, two of the worse candidates ever offered up by either party. But one difference today is that the missus clinton is selling something that america won't be buying. Her empty claims of a vast resume and now her current tall tale of 35 years of fighting for change is as empty as anything any candidate has ever offered the voters as a reason to support their canidacy. Now that oblahma has become the new media darling it appears the missus clinton won't be getting the same free ride. Her empty claims of experience and leadership are being viewed more as a joke than truth. That bubba is trying to save her by claiming she was in fact an active co-president and responsible for many of his accomplishments show the level of desperation the clintons are sinking to in order to get back in the white house and put bubba into a third term in office.

skep 41
you leverled a charge against my positions that I am soft on oblahma and must think well of his canidacy. While I think he is an improvement over jackson and sharpton that really isn't saying much. It's similar to telling a fat girl, that for someone of her body type she don't sweat much. But let me clearify any confusion you might have concerning my positions. There is absolutely nothing that I find admirable about libs. The three front runners edweirds, oblahma and the missus clinton are interchangable on all their positions. All would be total disasters for america as they epitomize the typical tax and spend lib. But with red nancy and land deal harry running congress things would be very bad for the american people. I hope this answers the charges you leveled

The Caucus
People will still vote along gender, racial and ethnic lines for ever. However they still can sniff out baloney such Billary's mandatory health care plan. Manadatory??? Not every one wants or even needs a health plan. A health plan like so many other things we discriminate about, we discriminate about the wine we drink the foods we eat, we discriminate about everything because we are a discriminating society. Making a person pay for something they feel they don't want or need is pure outright tyranny. That is why I would support Huckabee or Thompson. Both of them are entirely progun. Obama's wife has become progun. In a statement made some while back, she said, I wish my husband would support the right to own guns especially for self defense. Non of the other Republicans with the exception of Ron Paul TRULY support gun rights. When they said they do, They lie thru their smiling teeth. There are 50 states in the union. You won't see Hillary campaign in Florida because we are a gun state.

To Vic
Within the last few days on townhall one poster wrote that she likes Huckabee because his name reminds her of a favorite fictional character, Huckleberry Finn, whose personality she is sure would be shared by a President Huckabee. Another wrote that Huckabee does too have extensive knowledge of foreign affairs and especially of the Middle East because he got it from reading the Bible, and that the only policy advisor he needs is God. Another wrote that he is against Obama since Obama was raised in Kenya (wrong) and Kenya is currently in an uproar. And we can probably surmise that many will vote for Romney because he is rich and handsome and for Huckabee because he is an Evangelical Baptist minister. Voters may not be stupid, but they make choices for stupid reasons. Many voted (twice) for George W Bush because he is a born-again Christian, and look where that got us---into a web of questionable warfare, lies, torture, Constitional violations, debt, illegal immigrants, and secrecy. As the old spiritual hymn reminds us, ever'body talkin' 'bout Heaven ain' goin' there.

Steve,
I didn't vote for either of the Bushes either. In fact, in 1988, when Bush the elder beat the equally unqualified Michael Dukakis, I voted for Ron Paul.

lilly: I was almost looking for pigs

flying outside my window..

"Voters may not be stupid, but they make choices for stupid reasons."

Probably the single most intelligent and profound statement of yours that I've ever read on TH! I admit, I am impressed!

But then you let your BDS show through and ruined an otherwise very bright and intuitive comment.

"Many voted (twice) for George W Bush because he is a born-again Christian, and look where that got us---into a web of questionable warfare, lies, torture, Constitional violations, debt, illegal immigrants, and secrecy. As the old spiritual hymn reminds us, ever'body talkin' 'bout Heaven ain' goin' there."

Typical of your limited view of Pres. Bush and anything Republican.

Some may have voted for Pres. Bush (twice) but I doubt very seriously that many (if any it would be negligible!) actually voted for Pres. Bush for the reasons you just stated.



Disenchanted
Dear Disenchanted,

I read your commentary with a great amount of interest, particulary the part that it was "political dominance through 'noble lies' that manipulates the well intended, the rabble" and the intellectuals. WOW, I always suspected that in many political ways I was being manipulated. Having in the past been a public school teacher, you can't imagine the ways in which you are manipulated by the system, for the sake of "new and improved" teaching, every 5 years or so.

Well, in fact, once you get your teaching license, you are responsible for acquiring a certain number of continuing education units in order to renew your license. Most schools provide this training after the students have left on a weekly or semi weekly basis, so as long as you go, you need never step back into a college again. I, on the other hand, while out of respect went, I also took classes in the Hispanic, African Amerian, and Far Eastern cultures as well as Characture Education. And once I moved from the West Coast to the East Coast of Florida, I realized my incredible lack of technological skills, so I took courses in Microft Applications, and another in Designing Web Sites.

The school system has us totally in belief that no matter what we do, we are still frogs that need to be graded for our croaks each year. Well, I put on plays with my emotionally disturbed kids, taught them how to talk and sing in Spanish, went carolling at Christmas at some nursing homes, entered and won 3rd place at the regional History Fair from 1-6, were the backbone of the Multicultural Club, etc.; like over the many, many years my little 1st, 2nd, and 3rd grade disturbed kids who mostly lived in foster homes, did some pretty exciting and tremendous things. But no matter, my kids were still trouble on occasion to the principal.


Not stupid but quite ignorant........

....are a large portion of our "electorate".

Enough said. You understand "the rest of the story".

Ahh, democracy. Where the blind are led by the more blind. Blinded that is by their lust for power and screw the country.

I also disagree with the writer, on the
content but especially on the title. The current voter is more up to date with the last survivor episode or whoever the current "reality show" character is than the political and mainstream news. They get all their views from the MSM and celebrities.

More like...
REAL STUPID! Here are a few examples of some of the reasons I heard people base a vote on.
1-"Because he's cute"
2-"Because he's a brother...gotta support the brothers"
3-"I'm making a statement, she's a woman. My vote will change history"
4-"Can't be nothing wrong with a guy named 'Bush'. (That was actually said by my perverted neighbor)
5-"Because he's a Christian"
6-"He's got a nice smile"
7-"He plays the sax, man"
And these are from the more experienced voters that have a work ethic. Now we have the 'entitlement generation' of voting age. These people are downright scarey in their reasonings. I'm just not feeling the 'hope' these days.

I agree Voters are Mega Stupid
And I agree Slick the Rapist in Chief is all the proof you need--but I'd add "Jimmy Carter'.

Course PJ here (why does he remind me of Corky on
that family show? wasn't Our House, what was it?) also believes in Ron Paul.
Isolationism hasn't been a Viable Foreign Policy since Lucky Lindy landed in Paris.
And I'd also like to know how PJ's "greedy special interests" diverge from HuckYOU's (who he don't like) "get the rich" populism.
Why would it not suprise me that a PaulPotter thinks Voters are Smart?

Paul Pot Flunks Big Mick Pledge 1 WIN the War for survival against the Sandnazis on All fronts.

If he hasn't the stones for the #1 Battle for America, don't much matter what else he is for.

the big mick

oncemarine
At some point willfully remaining ignorant BECOMES Stupidity.

Which is why I call it the "dumbolcrap" Party.

"still a Socialist at 30...you have no brains."

the big mick

C'mon Anne Lily's ALWAYS good for a HOOT
"a web of questionable warfare, lies, torture, Constitional violations, debt, illegal immigrants, and secrecy."
Hey lil! Does this mean you want to Seal the Border and Deport All Illegals?? Big Mick Pledge 2!DEFEND against the REconquista! Congrats! Debt? How about Privatizing Social Security, ending all entitlements, and giving the Prez a line item veto? For dat?
How bout Big Mick pledge 4 REDUCE the size of the FedGov 3% each year in real absolute terms not mere slowed growth?
But the HOOT!! is "questionable warfare"--let's see Bombing Serbia, Hitting the Chinese Embassy,
Baby Asprin Factory in Kenya, Screwing up Mogadishu, The Cole, Trade Towers One, The Embassy bombings, Letting Bin Laden Skate and BOMBING IRAQ's WMDs--yes, Virginia, I mean lilly, Slick said he believed there were WMDs!
"Constitutional violations" you mean like lying under oath, obstructing Justice, losing your Law license,getting fined, getting Impeached?
but SECRECY? ROTFL!!!!!
Do YOU know who was on Hilly's Health Care Commission? Who "misplaced" the Rose Billing Records? What was taken from Vince Foster's Office? Why "no one would believe the Clintons and their loyal staff." Who hired Craig Livingston and what was in those SECRET FBI files? Who read em, Who kept em, who WANTED em?? How about what Sandy Burgler stuck in his shorts??? How much money they got from the Chi Coms? What the definition of is is??

you a HOOT lily! I needed that.

big mick

Harry - I agree!

"Just like diapers, politicians must to be changed."


But I would have to add that they not only must they be changed, they must be changed OFTEN... and for the same reason.

I forget who said that originally. But it is so true.

Election
While there is a certain amount of elation in the Iowa election let us not get too giddy. Let us remember it is God who sets up and God who tears down. Let us hope that there is enough people left in this nation who love God and his righteousness to make a difference in this election. Let us not forget that righteousness exalts a nation and that the nation that forget God will be turned into Hell. Too many people seem to forget that. They think we have created this wonderful nation all by ourselves. The Bible if nothing else tells what happens to peoples who forget God.

Jacobs misfires
First, many voters ARE stupid. Has Jacobs so quickly forgotten that 3,000 voters in Palm beach County Florida claimed they didn't know who they had just voted for in 2000?

And you can add geniuses like Ray Nagin (who got re-elected after completely botching Katrina) to Doug's list of morons who continue to win re-election.

Then we have this ridiculous commment that unions and race don't matter. When the general election is held 90% of the black vote will go to the Democrat, whoever he is. And why should the endorsement of the NH NEA matter in Iowa? Again, wait until the general election is held and see how many union members vote for the Republican.

How can race matter in a state that is only 1% black? Stupid.

The Iowa caucuses didn't prove anything other than that they are over-rated and over-emphasized in importance because they are first. Iowa is a liberal state, so why would anyone be surprised that Obama would win on the Democrat side?

Huckabee got only 14% of the non-evanglical vote on the Republican side. He's going to need more than that to win the nomination.

And Clinton was never the formidable foe the Republicans feared. The keys to assessing her chances remain that (1) the Clintons are the most scandal-ridden politicians in our history, (2) even Bill never got half the vote when he ran, and (3) NOBODY likes Hillary. She has no charm, no charisma, and no warmth. Why would the Democrats vote for this cold fish when Obama has essentially the same platform. The amazing thing is that she even got 29% of the vote

Iowa is over-rated. So is NH (another liberal state). I'm not really interested in how the Republicans are doing in the blue states. These blue state primaries are just one more way the left tries to pick the Republican leadership for us. And as long as we let them fool us we will have incompetent liberal government.

Fools
Nothing could be more incompetent than the conservative set of fools and spendthrifts that are now occupying the oval office.

I dare you . . .
to read THE MYTH OF THE RATIONAL VOTER by Bryan Caplan and conclude that voters aren't stupid.

for onceamarine
onceamarine writes: "Not stupid but quite ignorant........"

Oh, please.

The illiteracy rate in America was much higher in the 19th century, in the days of the one-room schoolhouse and kids dropping out of school after a 6th grade education.

And as for understanding foreign policy, Americans were so isolationist throughout most of their history that most of them didn't know anything about the rest of the world except the one country their own ancestors immigrated from.

Somehow we built the mightiest country on earth, despite all that.

Formal education and doing well at Trivial Pursuit games don't make a superpower. The Sorbonne hasn't helped France eclipse the U.S., has it?

Economic and personal freedom, upward mobility, and a welcoming attitude to new immigrants bringing new blood and new ideas, are what makes a great nation. And those are America's strengths.


A ton of HOPE
is not worth a thimble full of action.

SteveL
It's not a point of which state would have given Fred a big win, or which state I want to go first.

The point is that early primaries and caucuses only compel candidates to drop out. I believe in one week of national primaries so that everyone in the country gets to vote upon the same identical slate of candidates.

If Romney or Rudy or (perish the thought) Huckabee wins the nomination, it is in part because millions of people like me can be forced to vote for a candidate who is not their first or second choice. I am a great example and their are millions like me.

My first choice is Hunter. My second is Thompson. My third is Romney. I would NOT vote for Mitt Romney unless I could not vote for Hunter or Thompson. And frankly, I'm sick to death of not being able to vote for my top or even second choice because of unrepresentative states like New Hampshire and Iowa.

What would one expect from anyone who

uses the screen name "watercloset?"

Oh yeah, exactly what he posted... Obviously, his brains have been flushed down the toilet!



Savage99
"While i was in the Army, active duty 53 to 56, aliens were drafted after 6 months. Back then, Europe was in shambles and immigration pressure was intense. My basic training squad had a young man from Germany in it. He spoke excellent English with the usual British accent, common in Euros who learn their English in school. He was constantly puzzled by how the blazes Germany ever lost a war to such sloppy soldiers. Quote 'in the German Army this group wouldn't qualify for the Boy Scouts'."

Wow, since he was speaking while we were occupying their country after utterly defeating them, I think all we can take from your story is that the young man from Germany, like the rest of the Germans, didn't know as much about what makes a good soldier as Americans do.

PRESIDENTIAL POLITICS
SINCE ALL THE CANDIDATES FROM BOTH
PARTIES ARE TOTALLY INADEQUATE ,
I AM GOING TO WRITE-IN VOTE FOR THE
SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION.
AFTER ALL, I HAVE NEVER MISSED A CHECK.

Stupid is as... never mind that
Hey Paul. Just keep reprinting this article once a month leading up to the election and then we can again attest to the claim that voters are not stupid. I am still holding my prediction that Clinton will be the next President and Repub's will not get who they want to run.

One things will be certain - we will have countless commentaries on how things don't work the way they should in this country. Oh, and we will all be surprised by that.

In sum, voters are stupid and we waste our time talking about it. Nice.

What????
It is a Fact that Voters in this Country, about 50% of them are in fact VERY STUPID. The ones who vote Democrat and drive this Country into bankruptcy and towards Socialism and Communism. The ones who actually listen and watch the MSM and actually believe their propaganda and lies. The Liberal nut cases who attack every conservative issue, without debating the issues, cause they can't - they only attack.

Annie Mation: OF COURSE we know, 10%

That was easy, wasn't it????????? :-) LOL







jimmy d: what again?
you say voting democrat makes one stupid...

I dont know about that. I just read your post above and it's beyond stupid. It's absurd.

but then youre a repub/con. says a lot about your mentality.

watercloset writes:
"Nothing could be more incompetent than the conservative set of fools and spendthrifts that are now occupying the oval office."
---------------------------------
I hope this is not considered rude, but I would caution you to cool off. Ordinarily, I would suggest a simple and expedient flush of the toilet, while burying your head as far into the bowl as possible. But in your case, however, given your nom de plume, it might advantageous to secure the consultive services of a contortionist, seeing as how difficult it would be to bury your head into your own rear body orifice.

MotleyCrue
Oh, thank the sprites you are here!! Anne and I have been missing you something fierce, and we have been a trifle worried, as well.

I hope you had a pleasant holiday!

Thank you for your concern, YLG m'dear.
Had a wonderful Christmas Eve, with all the trimmings, etc. All the family attended. Drank wine, exchanged gifts, took photos. Great fun. Got ill a couple of days later, more than likely a nasty flu which took hold of me like a rabid dog and just kept shaking. Hopefully I'm getting rid of it now, but still not quite up to par.

Thanks again, m'dear. I missed you and Anne as well.


Only White Southerns are Stupid
The Republican party won over stupid/racist White Southerns by using the Southern strategy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Do you idiots on townhall.com care about that?


Sorry to interrupt the chattering ...
among the 6th graders here, but I`d like to say I agree with every word the author has written. It is an extremely well-written piece. My only disagreement is with the title. Read some of the posts here and you`ll see voters, if not stupid, are certainly gullible and uninformed.

New Hampshire and Iowa Decide?
I find these assertions that Iowa and New Hampshire "decide" who we are going to vote for. Says who? The winner of Iowa has very rarely actually won the nomination. Remember, they nominated Pat Robertson. As for New Hampshire, they nominated Buchannon, and he didn't make it either.

What Iowa and New Hampshire do is give obscure candidates more of a chance at national exposure. The real decision comes at the later primaries where the larger states with more delegates choose from the remaining field. What candidates need is a strong showing in both Iowa and New Hampshire to show that they have legitimacy in collecting votes from around the country across different demographics.

I haven't really seen any major news pieces saying that these states decide anything. Look to see who does well in both states to get an idea of who will be contending on February 5th.

Missing a word there....
Should be that I find the assertions "strange". Sometimes I really wish I could go back and edit my posts.

salty
I would have to agree, and it saddens me greatly. If voters were intelligent they would realize that all of the candidates have started to parrot the words of Ron Paul. They would see that Fox News is actively trying to silence his campaign. They would be asking themselves "why?" and be looking into him further.

Instead, they just blindly follow their "leaders" and vote for the likes of Huckabee. I am still praying that God will open the eyes of America so they will vote intelligently based on facts and truth.

Paul must be kidding...
If voters weren't stupid, they wouldn't be sending the same career politicians back to Washington election-after-election to mortgage our grandchildren so they can buy the "stupid" voters' votes and retain their power.

Sure Paul, just think of the collective intellect of the people who re-elected Ray Nagain and Marion Barry. A bunch of chimps pulling levers at random would have made a better choice.

orlando cajun: what are you saying
you stated:

"Sure Paul, just think of the collective intellect of the people who re-elected Ray Nagain and Marion Barry. A bunch of chimps pulling levers at random would have made a better choice."

I surely hope you know that wash, d.c. and
new orleans are black majority cities, so you like so many other racist rebub/cons are equating the intelligence of blacks to chimps?
dude, you need to look in the mirror for writing such an ill-informed ignorant comment as above.
but then most repubs/cons really think like that anyway.
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