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Sunday, May 13, 2007
Paul Jacob :: Townhall.com Columnist
Not a bright idea
by Paul Jacob
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Thomas Edison must be rolling over in his grave. Nikola Tesla is spinning in his. Yes, switch on the politics for the Battle the Bulb: The light bulb faces a government ban.

Edison worked up a sweat to find a filament that would “burn” long enough to make electric light economical for households everywhere. A few decades later one of his employees came up with an even better filament, tungsten. Civilization has been lighting its nights and darker corners with light bulbs ever since.

Genius may be x percent inspiration and y percent perspiration, but Edison’s x wasn’t the same as Tesla’s x. A few year’s after Edison’s first light bulb, Tesla introduced fluorescent lights, which sprouted from his head like Athena from the brow of Zeus, or hair from a follicle — that is, without much sweat. And by the 1920s this technology had developed well enough to become a major competitor to the incandescent bulb.

Fluorescents were much cheaper to brighten a room, and many businesses put them in warehouses and even show rooms, despite their slightly strange, deranged white light.

A few decades ago, Tesla’s lamps went through another design revolution: the compact fluorescent lamp, or CFL. The familiar tube of the standard fluorescent lamp was decreased in size, twisted into a convenient swirl, and attached to a control gear (to limit the current) in just such a way as to enable the CFL to be screwed into a light bulb socket. Voilà! Finally, a real challenge to the incandescent light bulb!

CFLs cost less to run, in most uses. A lot less. You can save more than $30 in electricity per the average life of one of these devices, in the time that you’d run a series of incandescent bulbs.

The trouble with cost-saving technology is often that you have to pay more up front. This means that the poorer you are, the less likely you are to save money over the long haul: the outlay costs deter you from long-term savings. (That’s a problem the poor have on all sorts of things. The long term might be said to be the chief problem of the poor. But that’s another story.)

But the situation is getting better. CFLs were expensive in their early days; they are not so costly now. Not long ago each commanded prices higher than a Compact Disc; now one can be had for as low as an iTunes download or two. So even the most hedonistic, present-moment, time-horizon-deficient lout can now be tempted to buy them.

My wife started buying them from Wal-Mart some time back. Wal-Mart prides itself on its CFL advocacy and cheap delivery of these cost-savings devices. Yet, for some reason, praise for the company tends to be muted.

Sadly, there’s a dark side to this bright story.

Yes, today we have an amazing amount of lighting choices: CFLs, incandescents, LEDs, halogen bulbs, an amazing assortment of options.

But politicians now want to limit those choices.

I guess we could say that politicians don’t like the fact that Wal-Mart can claim to have done some good for overall energy efficiency. They want to steal Wal-Mart’s thunder. They want to mandate CFLs by outlawing incandescents.

Let me pause for a moment here. I’ve been working in the political realm for decades now. And every time some politician or activist cooks up a new cause, a new regulation or tax, I wonder if anything could be more absurd than this.

Now I have to wonder again. This is a truly stupid idea.

Why stupid? Well, I’m pretty certain no sane person would want to run CFLs for every lighting use. I prefer normal incandescent bulbs for reading . . . and I prefer brighter halogen light bulbs even more. (Still, indirect sunlight is best.) And for night-lights, a specially designed LED works better than either incandescents or CFLs. That’s my opinion; you might choose differently.

That’s one of the great things about markets: we get to choose.

Until politicians start meddling.

Australian politicians have already pushed through pro-CFL, anti-Edisonian legislation, enforcing a massive technology switch. The European Union is heading that way pell-mell. And there are Dems and Reps in Congress talking about doing the same thing, here.

Why?

To save energy! To save the environment! They look at the big picture and imagine every incandescent replaced with a CFL, and they calculate just how much less coal would have to be burned, and . . . they become impatient.

That’s all it is, really. They are impatient with Americans’ learning curve. Americans are indeed switching forms of lighting, at least in many halls and rooms of their homes and offices, but a few politicians and environmentalists just can’t wait. They want to force more people to switch faster.

Funny thing is, there’s mercury in those CFLs. Mercury is what makes the light. And, when you break one of those bulbs, clean-up should be done carefully.

Worse yet, if you listen to those same people (politicians, environmental alarmists) about how dangerous even the smallest amount of mercury can be, you’d hire thousand-dollar clean-up crews every time you break a bulb.

So much for cheaper!

Of course, the amount of mercury in a CFL is smaller than in an old thermometer, which, if you’re my age, you probably deliberately broke apart to play with the quicksilver when you were a kid. And lived to tell the tale.

That’s common sense talking, though. Politicians and alarmists, on the other hand, tend to lurch in the other direction, and usually we’d expect them to outlaw CFLs, not mandate them. CFL tech is precisely the kind of tech that the Ralph Naders of this world tend to hate: the kind that corporations “push” on us “regardless” of the “harm” it “inflicts.”

Truth is, of course, this is a world of trade-offs. Nothing is completely safe. And even environmentalists find themselves backing one dangerous technology over another. Why? To save the planet. (See any parallels between years of opposition to nuclear power, and the rising tide of environmentalists who now support it?)

I don’t want the planet to go down any more than you do. But I think most sensible people can agree that outlawing incandescent bulbs is no way to save anything but the principle of totalitarian coercion. Let the market choose this one — that is, let people choose. Let them choose which costs to consider, which risks to worry about more.

And tell all who would forbid us Edison’s technology that we’d rather fight than . . . have them tell us how to switch.

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Government Regulation
is the lest desireable way to foster conservation.I've been involved for 35 years with trying to make conservation,and alternative energy approaches economically viable. I've always oopposed gov't mandate in these matters.It's really difficult tp persuade most environmentalists that alternatives have tp be economically competetive, it's the only way.
However, the notion that Wal-mart has anything to do with it is absurd in the extreme.The fact that so many coporate interests are claiming to be green proves that the people want a cleaner environment,and enough people have ebeen willing to spend extra for cleaner goods that the market is finally beginning to become competetive.As the price of oil rises things will change quite a bit and the disposable aesthetic will start to look as wasteful as it really is. We're taking resource treasures that took millions of years to develop and turning them into trash.We're even running out of places to throw it away.

CFLs hurt my eyes
Those new lighting systems hurt my eyes. They put out way too much light. I need low-level lighting for almost all situations save directed task lighting which can be directed below eye-level, because my eyesight is quite compromised.

The lighting in my office is produced by the pitiless CFLs and fluorescents, and by the time I go home each night my eyes are so out of focus I can't read signs or focus on anything close to me. It's like working on the set of Dragnet.

Canada is burbling about outlawing incandescent bulbs, but nothing will come of it as long as most of us live within two hours of the US border. The one thing that stops all these idiotic pronouncements from doing us much harm is that six word phrase "I'll get it from the States."

And by the way, it works in reverse. In locations tha thave mandated low-flush toilets, standard toidies can still be brought in from Canada. People will find what they want, regardless of the Marching Mommies' attempts to scream NO NO! and slap it out of our hands. Especially in America, the one thing you can depend on is that telling Americans they have to do something is the one way to make sure they never do it. I give you two examples to prove my point: the metric system and the dollar coin.

CFL bulbs
CFLs are excellent for some applications, but I don't think they will be good for general base-level use until they deliver the same quality and quantity of light as regular incandescent bulbs. They're getting close, but they still emit a slightly nasty light and take a bit to get up to full power, especially the R-40 size.

I've been using them for five years now, and they are a lot better now than when I started using them. They've even got a new line that you can use with a dimmer.

I've installed them in a lot of places in various buildings and we've saved a lot of money with them, both because they burn cheaper and because they last a long time. I put them in storage areas, basement passageways, common areas, entry ways. I replaced everything from 60-watt bulbs to 120-watt bulbs in hi-hats, and they work well and last a long time. I even replaced half the bulbs in hi-hats in offices and conference rooms, and they were accepted.

If you look around, you can find them cheaply, usually a lot cheaper than at Wal Mart.

Barry

cfl's
In northern Wisconsin, cfl's don't work very well,in barns, during the winter. I guess I'll start stocking up incandescents

AudiR10
The one exception to your rule seems to be smoking.

The government managed to get enough citizens to act as amateur enforcers to make the smoking bans work. Rather than saying "Sure, whatever" and continuing to smoke in bars, smokers have been pushed first to a single room, then outside. Now there are moves in some cities to prohibit smoking close to doorways, or even prohibit smoking outside at all.

Whether you smoke or not, you have to see the madness in the following:

The stadium in Baltimore is open air but banned smoking. The reason this is insane? On two sides of the stadium are an elevated highway belching out car exhaust, and on the third? A garbage incinerator. Yet somehow smoking is going to cause serious health problems for fans?

I am sure some non-smoker will tell me that this makes sense, but I can't figure out how smoking is dangerous where you can inhale fumes form burning garbage.

Well, not precisely on topic, but had to argue that in at least one case our sense of independence and defiance of the government has completely failed us. Probably because it was a "health police" measure. We seem to show undue deference to doctors and those who say they are trying to preserve our health.

Choice is good
as long as it's the PEOPLE who are doing the chosing, not the legislators who are taking campaign money from the industry that would benefit.

I've heard that the new light bulbs contain a significant amount of mercury which, if broken, create an environmental hazard.

Will get laughed at.
When you go Folsom Prison for not using CFLs you better not admit it, cause you will be laughed at by Real Criminals. Then you will be really sorry you didn't listen to Congress and all their wisdom.

CFLs hurt MY eyes too
...although for a different reason. In my current work I do a lot of reading, and I find CFLs are simply awful for illuminating the pages of printed material. A properly focused incandescent bulb is essential to me.

The unintended, but foreseeable, consequences of these absurd political swipes at "saving the planet" are, well, inexcusable. I could have told the "greens" and their pet politicians that we'd all end up using more water when low-flow shower heads were mandated, and lo and behold, we have.

I'd rather take a 5-minute shower, which I'm easily able to do under a regular-flow shower head. (And after 20 years in the Navy, you can bet I know how to take a "3-minute" shower, meaning about a minute of actual water.)

With the low-flow shower head, however, I have to stand under the water for an endless 18-20 minutes in order to get shampoo out of my hair. I've had occasion to compare my water use (by volume, not billing amount) in different homes over the years, under conditions in which the only different variable was the shower head -- and I use MORE water, not less, when my only option is a low-flow.

Not what the water police intended. It would seem higher payoff to go after outdoot watering in places like southern California and Arizona, where surreal tropical paradises are created out of the desert, at enormous expense and for no good reason (you must, after all, know that if you head for Palm Springs, you're going to the desert).

Instead, millions of Americans are flushing more than once and aging under the shower head so that one constituency can preen itself on having "done something."

One small correction:
The amount of mercury in a CFL is not really significant- except to hidebound, power-hungry bureaucrats and their scare-monger lackeys who don't seem to have ever heard that it's the dose that makes the poison.

Murcury METAL not dangerous?
Arsenic in metallic form is not dangerous either but in the form of a soluable salt it is deadly.
Metallic lead is not very dangerous either but the sweet white powder that forms when you subject it to vinegar is lethal.

The white powder in those bulbs is not murcury METAL, it is already in soluable form.
Along with damage to the brain, Mercury poisoning also causes loss of all hair & teeth.
Loss of sense of ballance. Loss of sight.
Do you want to risk your child's future over a LIGHT BULB?

Unlike a car coming down the street, children don't recognize fine particles of a poisonous white powder as any more dangerous than talcum powder or blackboard chalk on an eraser.
What if a child breaks one of these bulbs and tries to clean it up? Or a child finds some in a trash can and decides to play with them? Mercury can kill in sufficient concentration but exposure from a single broken compact fluorescent bulb is more likely to cripple or disfigure a child.
Help prevent tragedy by alerting as many people as you can.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,268747,00.html

AudiR10
I'm not infavor of antismoking laws per se. I think people should be free to do what they want ,as long as they don't harm anyone else. But the antismoking legislation was a rare case of governments responding to public demand. At least on the west coast,where such legislation started.
It's really a problem of manners.It's absurd that in contemporary times people are so oblivious of their effects on others that we legilsate manners.
But many smokers are unaware that their smoke makes non-smokers feel sick. There's a significant difference.When the cigarette or cigar is being smoked,the coal glows brighter,as air is sucked through,it burns hotter ,so more of the combustible chemcals are destroyed by heat. When is isn't being sucked on the toxin count is higher.That's why passive smoke,or sidestream is worse for the health than smoking.
Personaly ,I hate being told what to do by beauracrats. I'm against legislating morality ,and manners. So I try tp be aware and considerate of ny fellow humans,wether they deserve it or not.
BTW compact flourescents are awful,and they'llk soon be made obsolete by LEDS which are the wve of the future.

CFL's
I have changed to CFL's everywhere convenient, there are however locations where they don't work. Spot Lights, Night Lights, I have a Candleabara with 26 small Incadecent lights, Trying to put 26 CFL's in that fixture is out of the question. I guess when the existing bulbs burn out, we will just have to eat in the dark!!!

Prime example
Of way too much government. If you folks want to live like the Republik of Kalifornia go ahead let Congress stuff this down your throat.

I agree with Lolo
This issue in no way is something the federal government has any constitutional business involving themselves in. Even IF CFLs were better; it is none of the federal government's darn business.

Whatever happened to free enterprise and the concept of self-governance?

Liberty
This is not about ecology or conservation.
This is another scam just like DDT & Freon.
People who dream up these scams that outlaw one industry in favor of another should be required to post a bond large enough to cover any damage to other industries and cover cleanup cost of any environmental hazzard they create

Those new lightbulbs will create a gigantic waste disposal problem that there is NO WAY to monitor the location of.
There are probably thousands of them already in land fills.
Most people don't even know they are dangerous.
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Take a look at that thing someone put on Will's thread.
I flagged it without reading it.
Whoever did that should be kicked off TH.

Argued with my tree-hugging sister
for months about the "evil President Bush" rolling back Clinton's noble mercury reductions, ( never actually enacted, simply recommended in a last minute report after pressure on his inaction by the envoro-nazis ). Did laods of research, too, since I was dealing with a Ph.D. Academe elitist. Turns out, that being right didn't matter, . . I cannot change what she "knows" in her heart. Evil corporations will remain soul-less in her eyes, regardless of facts.
So, now, instead of dispersing mercury from smokestacks creating energy, we will be bringing it into our homes and dumping it in our local landfills directly. I can't wait for the next family get-together!

Don't like fluorescent lights
They been in nearly every office I've ever had, and I hate them. All that flockering gives me a headache, and the light seems harsh and glaring to my eyes. I always work with the overhead lights off and a lamp on my desk ON - with an incandescent bulb in it, I confess.

whoops!
Sorry - I meant "flickering."

CFL"s
I found them at Walgreens one day for $1 each. I put them into my kitchen 4 light fan and they seem to be working fine for me. This is the first I have heard about the white coating inside being a mercury oxide. One CFL over my kitchen stove is about 5 years old. I had one in an outside light burn out a couple years ago and threw it away in the regular garbage which is picked up by Waste Management. What I will do with future burnouts, I don't know. These CFL's will be added to a growing list of what I can't put in my garbage anymore. Go figure...

To Laura Hollis
I LIKED "flockering" myself! :-)

my Opine--metallic mercury
There IS a small drop of metallic mercury in CFLs--metallic mercury is NOT toxic in metallic form. Just look at the amalgam used in dental procedures (fillings).

EDISON AND THE LIGHT BULB

Why is it that Edison's first light bulb is still burning -- after all these years? Wonder what it costs to keep it turned on. Wonder if the planet would go off its axis if it were turned off. Wonder where I can get one like it.

Somewhere I heard about a lady who'd dropped and broken one of those new bulbs everybody's raving mad about, and the clean-up of the mercury spill cost her something like $12,000.

Just as an aside, didn't we outlaw mercury thermometers because of the dangers presented by mercury?

I just may be jaded, maybe even cynical, but you know what I think? I think the new and ugly bulb is about nothing but money money money.

tj
I hate to tell you, but the mercury in dental amalgams is very bad for you. Especially older ones who have starting leaking.

tj
Probably every kid has played with metalic murcury at one time or other.
You probably rubbed it on coins when you were a kid.

Subjecting dental amalgams to digestive acids and acidic foods probably gives you a small dose of mercury acitate that would be harmful.

Toxic metals like antimony, arsenic, mercury, lead, zink, etc., are not harmful unless you change them into a form your system can absorb.

During the middle ages they used alloys containing lead to make beer stines. Killed many people before they figured out why.

For many years, Europeans believed tomatos were poisonous because people were eating them from plates made of the same alloy as the beer stines.

Old fashioned stovetop coffee pots were galvanized for a while till they discovered the zink was slowly being disolved by the acid in the coffee and killing people.

That white powdered mercury oxide is already in a poisonous state. On your skin would be bad, breathing it would be bad, getting it in an open cut would be very bad.
(Broken lightbulb anyone?)

Further on Mercury
Our research into our child's autism led us directly to sources that implied a further danger mercury poses. It was five years ago, now, and I believe the main source was Karyn Seroussi's book,"Unraveling the Mystery of Autism and PervasiveDevelopment Disorder", wherein we found a clue to the relationship of mercury to the body's ability to deal with all metals. My take is that, on a molecular level cells creating proteins with express purpose are in a delicate balance, . . make that a bazillion delicate and intertwined balances! One particular protein/ enzyme dance results in the production of the "metalathonianine" protein. It seems this is the main escort service protein for metallic substances in our systems. These Metalathonianine escorts see to it that zinc and other needed metals go where they are needed, while toxic metals are discreetly shown the appropriate exit paths. The trick to mercury is that it seems to know where the key box is, and effectively eliminates the production of metalathonianine proteins. So, the danger becomes more than the mercury, but all systems that are susceptible to any toxic metal attack. Further, we found that when testing for some of these, the absence of trace in hair samples can actually be construed as the opposite, as certain substances tend to seat in certain body parts and remain undetectable, once they have finished their treacherous travel. Mercury, in particular lays low in the folds of the brain, once its done actually doing its damage. Its absence in hair analysis, coupled with the extreme levels of aluminum, for one, tells the tale of the disabled metalathonianine production. Thats how we found it! For the record, my wife went for dental work, (at my suggestion ), between our kids, and experienced some severe exposure from old amalgam breakdown, ( ever taste that metal in the back of your throat? ), before wew concieved our autistic child. It was lead that did the Romans, ( well, only partly! ), mercury is the lead of our generations. We need to forget this obssession with carbon, and concentrate upon the true toxins we face. Aren't we, after all, "Carbon based" life?

Unintended consequenses.
CFLs and other florescent bulbs need to be taken to your local hazardous materials facility. Only one store in the local large indoor mall knew that so they just dispose of them in the garbage and break them in the process.

WalMart has been mentioned a couple of times. Do you really think the Chinese care about the handling of the mercury used in the manufacture of the bulbs? And do you really think that the mercury that makes it into our homes is a problem for them? No way. In fact they probably like the idea.

China now leaks enough mercury into the air from burning cheap coal that it makes it to the US. Mercury is in older paint and I could not recycle scraps of new drywall at the local reclamation center because of the amount of mercury in the material.

The is all in addition to the terrible color balance that makes steaks look spoiled and the people eating them look dead.

Most of the CFLs can not be dimmed, used with X10, do not fit in many fixtures and in the end I firmly believe they steal your soul.

We flush the low flow toilets multiple times, add multiply shower heads to get around the low flow shower heads, and if they legislate this I am sure we find a workaround.


Viva Edison!
The way Liberals work is to take a reasonable idea or concept and then blow it out of all proportion, lie about it's effects on the rest of us, and rant on and on in the same vein. They spew out nonsense and semi-nonsense as if it's truth, and they attack anyone with a differing opinion. We can only wonder why these people do this. Are they really stupid and uncaring? Do they mean well---for others that is. They don't follow their own prescriptions except in the media.

Low flush toilets. They don't work very well, so we flush twice or thrice. We can't have nuclear power because the Liberals claim we'll all die of radiation, so do we pollute the atmosphere in varying degrees via fossil fuels?---Aha! There we have it. Something solid to complain about. Something to pursue as evil in lieu of the opposed nuclear power---the latter which, while not perfect, provides many benefits including a renewable fuel and a reduction of dependence on foreign oil.

Global Warming? Whether there is or isn't any, depending on the scientist you listen to. It's obviously apparent to anyone with half a brain that if it is, then it's natural. But the Liberals anoint a saviour/prophet, blame modern society and rant on and rant on and pass laws and protest and---all ridiculous, for it'll make no real difference. If the Liberals had been around millions of years ago, we'd still be stepping around dinosaur patties and hugging sabre-tooths.

And now light bulbs from the dim-bulbs. Actually, I use the discussed CFL in the light fixture by my computer. It doesn't have the heat of an incandescent bulb, and it lasts longer. I'm tired of constantly having to change bulbs. I've never seen any reaching the advertised life. In general, though, I use a variety of bulbs for a variety of purposes. But it's all my choice, isn't it? And I certainly don't want any government entity telling what I have to burn in my lights.

I'll make my daily living decisions based on truth and not incoherent rant and unrealistic proscriptions.

CFL Insanity & Environmental Costs
Check this out for where we are headed with the insane rush to replace the incandescent with CFL's:
"As each CFL contains 5 milligrams of mercury, at the Maine “safety” standard of 300 nanograms per cubic meter, it would take 16,667 cubic meters of soil to “safely” contain all the mercury in a single CFL. While CFL vendors and environmentalists tout the energy cost savings of CFLs, they conveniently omit the personal and societal costs of CFL disposal."

Ask Brandy Bridges of Ellsworth, Maine. It cost her $2000 because she tried to be a good citizen and reported that she had broken one in her house and wanted to get it safely cleaned up. Here is the link to her story: http://ellsworthmaine.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7446&Itemid=31

andrews
The funniest thing I have seen lately is the group of Under-30s who are trying to argue that while a toddler can be killed instantly if it stands upwind of a person smoking a cigarette outdoors in a 50 mph wind, it is in no danger whatever in a car with its mother toking up in the seat beside it and stoned on marijuana.

As for people "not being aware that [other people smoking] makes me sick" -- well, I feel the same way about unrestrained toddlers, especially on airplanes or in church. So far my efforts to have them banned from all places where they make me sick have gone unrewarded.

The moral of that story being, if you don't want to be around things that make you sick, then don't go where they are.

Maybe mandating CFL is a good idea
If a Democratic Congress mandated the use of CFL it would be a great thing! Think about all the energy we would save. And we would burn less coal putting less Mercury into the air. Life would be perfect.

But if a Republican Congress would do such terrible a thing... leftists would complain it was only done to help big business; a conspiracy theory would develop it was done by Dow Jones to dispose of excess mercury coming from the printing of the WSJ; there would be a demand that a mercury warning be on each bulb; newer bigger laws would be needed for disposal; lawyers would mobilize; metallic mercury would be found to be a greenhouse gas; panic would ensue. People would worry that Muslim extremist would drop a broken CFL bomb on Washington.


Politicians are morons
I think the current crop of politicians have pretty much proved themselves a bunch of idiots. Led by the chief idiot Al Gore. If you hear a politician trying to mandate something run for the hills!
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