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Monday, June 22, 2009
Paul Greenberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
Hungary 1956, Iran 2009
by Paul Greenberg
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What perfect timing. The wire service photo showed an honor guard in Hungary commemorating the reburial of Imre Nagy two decades ago.

Comrade, then Freedom Fighter, Nagy had been the leader of Hungary's ill-fated uprising against its Soviet masters back in 1956. The Hungarians' bravery attracted the sympathy and admiration of the whole world that year. But little else. Fearful of risking a nuclear confrontation, America and the West shrank back. Once again Communism produced a wave of talented and productive refugees, and then silence descended.

As for Imre Nagy and his fellow rebels, their fate was what one would expect in a slave empire: They were arrested, tried in secret and hanged. And then buried in unmarked graves. Only the memory of a brief freedom still burned in Hungary, far below the surface of things. Few at the time realized that one day it would flame again.

Imre Nagy was a good Marxist till the end. He and his comrades had been faithful to the Party till they could no longer close their eyes, or their hearts, to their country's oppression. They had hoped for a peaceful break with the oppressors, or that the Americans would arrive at the last minute and save the day, like the U.S. Cavalry in a Western.

They hoped for too much. And paid for it. Nikita Khrushchev and ruthless company in Moscow were not about to let them take Hungary out of the Warsaw Pact, or even live. Their example might have proven contagious, and the rest of the Soviet bloc was restless, too. So it was decided they would provide a different kind of example: This is what happens to those who dare challenge Soviet power.

Decades passed. The ritual observance of Captive Nations Week in this country was derided as an annual exercise in futility. Also, a danger to Peaceful Coexistence, which had been elevated to a goal of American foreign policy, taking the place of freedom. And any real peace. Even to speak of these nations' captivity struck our intelligentsia as a dangerous provocation. Detente became the objective, not peace. A president who spoke of peace and freedom, like Ronald Reagan, was considered an "amiable dunce" by the sophisticates. The Kissingers and Fulbrights had become our leading lights, or at least leading dimnesses. But a tide was rising in the world, and it was a freedom tide.

Then, like a sudden, cleansing flood, came 1989, the great Jubilee Year when the Iron Curtain cracked. Russians Go Home became a reality instead of an impossible dream. In a free Hungary, Imre Nagy and his fellow patriots would at last be given a decent burial. With full honors. At last their heroism could be openly recognized.

Much like Imre Nagy, the leaders of the Silent Revolution in Iran have also been faithful servants of the regime. They, too, are proud nationalists, but not crazies. They seek only the simplest of rights, like free and fair elections. They accept the mullahs' reign and reins. They understand they live in a theocracy. But they would like to reform it, and give it a human face, much as Mikhail Gorbachev set out to reform Soviet Communism, not realizing that to humanize it would destroy it.

Liberty is not something that can be rationed; one freedom leads to another. Iran's demagogue-in-chief understands that old truth, which is why he is so determined to crush this peaceful revolution in today's Iran. All the odds are in favor of his doing just that, but Mahmoud Ahmedinejad has already lost something far more important than Iran's presidency; he has lost legitimacy. His hands are covered with the blood of Iran's martyrs, and the list grows daily.

Mikhail Gorbachev, too, held on to the reins of power. For a while. But the irresistible attraction of freedom has a way of being underestimated, which was Comrade Gorbachev's decisive error. A little glasnost and perestroika -- openness and reform--has a way of leading to a lot. And those who open the floodgates just a little may be swept away by what they have loosed.

Now the world watches and waits for another revolution to be crushed. The president of the United States offers little but lip service to freedom's cause, and even that is tardy, hesitant, fearful, as if another people's thirst for liberty were some sort of embarrassment, an obstacle to his plans for a Grand Bargain with a dictatorial regime. A threat to, yes, peaceful coexistence, that old simulacrum for real peace.

The president doesn't want to look as if he were meddling in Iran's affairs, he explains, and of course he is immediately accused by the tyrants of meddling in Iran's affairs. Fearfulness has reaped its usual contempt.

No wonder Mahmoud Ahmadinejad struts as the world only watches and waits. Time, he must think, is on his side. Surely nothing can keep him from having his own nukes soon, just like Kim Jong Il in North Korea. Surely the police state in Iran, with its controlled media and government goons, will suppress this revolution, just as that earlier one in Hungary was stamped out.

But looking at the picture of that statue of Imre Nagy now in a place of honor in Budapest, it is hard to lose hope. A generation or two from now, whose likeness will be in Teheran's great square? I don't think it'll be Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's.

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Obama, The Janus

He says that all people will get free health care, but he cannot.

He says that all those making under $95K will not pay taxes, but he lies.

He says that the US should not meddle in Iranian internal affairs, he is a moron and a young woman died buried alive.

He said that we should dialogue with North Korea, but they are ready to nuke Hawaii and Alaska.

He has begged communist China (which employes slave labor) for money, but was laughed out by the country.

He gave $150bn to the IMF, but Russia and Brazil have purchashed gold.

He won Vermont, but they now want to secede.

He said that Global Warning is a crisis, but Fat Al Gore is unable to explain why New Jersey froze in June.

Obama Lied And People DIED.



We are ALL Iranians today!!!!!!!!!!!
Whom do you stand with?
I say WE ARE ALL IRANIANS TODAY!!!!! True, if the public gets their way they may elect a guy who's not very friendly to the U.S. but at the same time it would be hard to find some clown who hates us more.

Either way LET THE IRANIAN PEOPLE DECIDE!!! THAT is what so many of us fought and died for even IF it doesn't fully serve our interests in the short run. ANYTHING that advances liberty in the world ultimately DOES serve our interests.

The Left always whined about the cruel and brutal Savak under the Shah. What about the thugs shooting 16 year old girls in the head and cutting the throats of male college students? 66% of the Iranian people were born AFTER the "Islamic Revolution" and have NO memory of the Shah but are daily targets for the abuses of the mullahs.

-Ray

WARNING!
Conservatives: Everything you say will be taken down by a biased media and misquoted against you out of context in a kangaroo court of public opinion. You have been warned.

WW
If you stand with the Iranians protesters, wouldn't you be for Obama keeping our of the mix, and not giving the tyrants an excuse to crack down even harder? The best thing we can do is make sure that Israel doesn't get any encouragement to go and make millions of Nedas!

For those that thought they were voting
For an itelligent statesman they've been thoroughly hosed. Several million of us knew this but the uninformed electorate now knows they have to pay attention.

This is such a "no-brainer". I mean, come on, they've sponsored murdering terrorists for 30 years and they're building a nuke. Now these murderous oppressors give you the greatest opening of all time to call these pukes what they are, and you can even say you reached out on their national TV and welcomed them into the international community. Bottom line is they don't belong in the community and they need their program blown to Allah while there is plenty of support from the rest of the world. At least to shutdown their economy and cut them off.

Joel
No one wants to break any shackles. You've been told this. This from National geographic.

So while Iranians at first were open to the idea of an increased role of Islam in public life, they weren't prepared for it to be forced on them with such rigor, especially given the Koran's specific instructions that there should be "no compulsion in religion."

Joel
Aren't 4000 dead Americans in Iraq enough to slate you blood thirst?

Taft, was it ok with you when
Saddam Hussein probably got 1,000,000-2,000,000 Iraqis and Iranians killed in his invasion of Iran in the 1980s?

Was it ok with you when Saddam Hussein gassed c. 5000 Kurds? Or when we've found uncounted mass graves from the people Saddam tossed off of buildings, spitted on bayonets, beat to death, subjected to rape rooms, and disappeared? Estimates are Saddam killed a million of his *own* people while threatening his neighbors and plotting virulent weapons.

Are the nearly 5000 we've killed in car accidents on the roads of NJ since 2003 something that keeps you awake at night? Are you anti-automobile or just anti-liberating people being suhjected to tryants?

I find most whiners about the terrible losses to the military services are usually the ones farthest away from them. And don't cry for the Marines in my family. We take care of our own.

You want to do something for peace? Try going to Iran now and march in the streets. I won't hold my breath.

Freedom
Freedom is a precious gift. Oppression comes when no one stands up against tyranny. The brave people in Iran deserve our support. Freedom in our own country is evaporating before our eyes. Yet we stand silent. Who will stand up and say that freedom is for all people to have in all parts of this world. And yes freedom is worth dying for. But we have more than the 4000 American dead in Iraq. Throughout our history millions of brave Americans have died to keep our nation free. Stand up for freedom.

Susan
"Oppression comes when no one stands up against tyranny. The brave people in Iran deserve our support."

Inspiring words, indeed. Do you think the brave people in Darfur deserve our support?


renny
"Was it ok with you when Saddam Hussein gassed c. 5000 Kurds?"

Ronald Reagan gave a vigorous thumbs-up!

From http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/arming_iraq.ph p

March, 1987. President Reagan bows to the findings of the Tower Commission admitting the sale of arms to Iran in exchange for hostages. Oliver North uses the profits from the sale to fund an illegal war in Nicaragua. [17]

Late 1987. The Iraqi Air Force begins using chemical agents against Kurdish resistance forces in northern Iraq. [1]

February, 1988. Saddam Hussein begins the "Anfal" campaign against the Kurds of northern Iraq. The Iraq regime used chemical weapons against the Kurds killing over 100,000 civilians and destroying over 1,200 Kurdish villages. [8]

April, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of chemicals used in manufacture of mustard gas. [7]

renny
and even more of Reagan's policy of appeasement.

August, 1988. Iraq and Iran declare a cease fire. [8]

August, 1988. Five days after the cease fire Saddam Hussein sends his planes and helicopters to northern Iraq to begin massive chemical attacks against the Kurds. [8]

September, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade anthrax and botulinum to Iraq. [7]

September, 1988. Richard Murphy, Assistant Secretary of State: "The US-Iraqi relationship is... important to our long-term political and economic objectives." [15]

December, 1988. Dow chemical sells $1.5 million in pesticides to Iraq despite knowledge that these would be used in chemical weapons. [1]

Another perspective
This is a 25 minute video (2 parts) from a Brazilian Journalist that spent the last 20 plus years in this part of the world;

http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task= view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=3869&updaterx=2009-06-15+01:52 :53

It's no coincidence
that as America’s president looks on at Iran and displays his obvious timidity, that North Korea uses this opportunity to demonstrate its most arrogant and confrontational display to date.

By preparing to test fire a missile aimed at Hawaii and putting a ship in the water believed to have arms and nuclear technology, North Korea is saying they have no respect for nor fear of Barack Obama.

Conservatives know how to talk tough
zapdoodat
Location: MA
Reply # 2
Date: Jun 22, 2009 - 11:55 PM EST renny
and even more of Reagan's policy of appeasement.


>Let us not forget Bush 41 and how he stood up to the Chinese after Tianamen Square ... quit talking to them and selling them arms, for awhile.

Or how he told the Shiites to rise up and throw out that bum Saddam ... and sat back when the Republican Guards slaughtered them!

The conservatives seem to have this idea that talking tough is the same as actually being tough?<

Joel
Thank you! That's exactly what I was thinking all along. When I've heard of the Obama's response, while watching the scenes of brave marchers in Iran, I spat at my own TV screen. I was glued to the screen for hours, thinking of attacking Iran from Iraq and Afghanistan, or sending fleet to the gulf and attack by helicopters; or at least drop a million leaflets above Iran telling freedom fighters that U.S. is on their side. We should've done something...

Unfortunately, our government is no longer about freedom; their major goals are political victories and reelection and as a result, channeling bailout money into their pockets through intermediaries. If they don't care about American prosperity and safety, what do we expect in their foreign policy?

Their boss is a calculated careerist, running scared and confused as a product of Islamic childhood, Columbia socialism, Ayers radical Cuban stile Revolution and Rev. Wright's Black Liberation theology (racism and anti-Semitism).

What can one expect of this anti-American mix? No wonder Obama prefers the Mullahs: he can bow to them.

The People of Iran

It is interesting while the people of Iran are protesting for free and fair elections, Obama and the Liberals have been long time supporters of A.C.O.R.N. whose mission in life is to corrupt our election process.

It is no mystery why Obama can not speak out forcefully in support of fair elections in Iran when his own election was the product of a corrupt election process.

Is it just me...
...or do others see that the North Korean's testing of their rocket,by firing it at Hawaii, is an excellent time for our Navy or ground based forces to test their anti-missile systems?The troops could use the practice and we could demonstrate our capabilities to the world.And it would have the additional advantage of embarrasing Kim.

Iran v. Hungary
There is a major difference between Hungary in 1956 and Iran today. When the Hungarians appeared to be succeeding, Russia sent in Asiatic shock who violated just about every rule of the Hague accords and the Geneva Convention. The Iranian government does not have Russia's military backing. The people can win. Especially since members of Iran's armed forces and police forces are deserting to join the revolt.

A massive general strike will win
A massive general strike will win! The mullahs can't feed themselves for long.

Give the Iranians some
guns.

When Obama speaks
about Iran, he speaks slowly and often stammers. I can almost see the gears in his mind working, as he tries to placate Americans hoping for more and not offend the mullahs. Compare what he is saying about Iran to what Reagan said about Poland. Reagan was strong and decisive. Obama is weak and indecisive. Reagan had heart. Obama is a politician trying to find the right words for the situation. This is a core issue. Since an overthrow of the regime in Iran might prevent a nuclear war, why cant Obama find his voice? What does he really believe in?

keepontryon
there was suposed to be a general strike today. I haven't seen any news on it.

Greenberg
There may be lots of similarities between
Hungary 1956 and present day Iran, but I am
not so sure. Certainly one of the similarities
is that then and now we were sick of war and
couldn't afford another one.

I am presuming one difference, but I don't know
for a fact, is that Hungary was not interested
in being a Communist country. But maybe the
majority actually were. It is not like we would
have been told the truth if they did. What
we don't know about Iran is what they really
want. We presume all those people on the
street want to be just like us, but I doubt
that is really the truth. They want to get
rid of theocracy. It does not necessarily
mean they would be our friend once the battle
is won. Hearing about their appointed leader,
one would quite a different feeling about it.

So, let them fight their battle, and if they
want our help, I am sure they will free to
ask for it, officially.

Imre Nagy
Yes, he was a marxist and a muscovite communist returning to Hungary with the occupying Soviet troops in 1945. BUT he also loved his country and in 1953 he tried to institute a more humane form of communism (a total oxymoron). He gave amnesty to close to 100 000 political prisoners, lot of them held without trial and people learnt to like and respect him; he also tried to moderate the harsh police state practices. Did he change the regime? Hell, no. By early 1955 he was shut out of power, marginalized yet people remembered him and demanded him back. He became less and less of a communist and more and more of a patriot as the 1956 uprising ran its course, and in captivity he refused to be broken and died as a martyr. In June, 1989 when he was accorded a proper funeral hunderds of tousands of Hungarians came to pay their respects 32 years after his execution... President Eisenhower left the Hungarians to their fate in 1956. President Kennedy took the "Hungarian Question" off the agenda of the American UN Delegation in 1962, President Nixon, in the "holy name of detente, yielded to the Soviets and with the help of Pope Paul VI removed the only living symbol of liberty, Cardinal Mindszenty, from the Budapest US Embassy and Hungary in 1971. Yes, we Hungarians were sold many times by various Western powers and the USA. Sacrificing the Iranian revolution for the prospects of Obama really impressing (?) the Mullahs and the Mad Man is nothing new. There have been many unfortunate and similar precedents in the recent US history...

Hungary 1956 analogy
I too thought of Hungary 1956 in relation to the current Iran situation, but my thoughts didn't go in quite the same direction as Mr. Gerrnberg's. Back in 1956, it was a sad reality-- as that notorious cowardly panty-waist liberal, Presdident Dwight Eisenhower (I hope it's obvious I'm beng sarcastic here in that description) knew-- that there was very little the U.S.A. could actually *do* to help the rebels in Hungary. We weren't in a position to march troops into Hungary... or to threaten the USSR with atomic annihilation (thereby risking our own) to get them to stop oppressing a country which we had basically ceded to their control a decade before.

That being the case, some historians of the 1956 events have suggested that-- while of course the greatest guilt for the crime against Hungary lay with the Soviets-- the U.S.A. shared the guilt in some small degree by encouraging the rebellion through channels like Radio Free Europe. The Hungarians thought we would help them if they rebelled. We didn't-- and couldn't-- and they were crushed. We should not, arguably, have raised expectations we could not fulfill and made implied promises we couldn't keep.

I think the analogy to today in Iran is clear. With an overstretched military, economy near thre breaking point, and eroded moral authority, we are not in a position to dictate by force to Iran how that country must run its government and treat its own citizens. Sure, we can make high-sounding statements of support for freedom and democracy in Iran, but we have very limited means to back those statements up. And we need to save our resources for defending freedom and democracy *here* in our own country. We will not be helping the Iranian protesters if we lead them to believe that we can and will swoop in like the comic-book superhero of the world to solve their problems adn win their freedom for them.


1968 memory
In the summer of 1968 I was a member of a student exchange group in Germany. We were going to Berlin via East German autobahn when we noticed caravan upon caravan of *Russian* military vehicles heading south. It wasn't until we got home to the States that we realized we had seen Russia preparing to invade Czechoslovakia.
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