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Monday, April 20, 2009
Paul Greenberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
Leave Them to History
by Paul Greenberg
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Barack Obama and his attorney general, Eric Holder, have decided not to start a purge of CIA agents who protected the nation's security during the War on Terror. Excuse me, that's not terror any more but Man Caused Disasters and/or Overseas Contingency Operations, to use the current, approved terms in this new era of Hope, Change, Audacity and Euphemism.

This was the week that our still new but rapidly learning president announced that "at a time of great challenges and disturbing disunity, nothing will be gained by spending our time and energy laying blame for the past." An obvious point, but one worth stating.

As the president explained: "The men and women of our intelligence community serve courageously on the front lines of a dangerous world. Their accomplishments are unsung and their names unknown, but because of their sacrifices, every single American is safer. We must protect their identities as vigilantly as they protect our security, and we must provide them with the confidence that they can do their jobs."

Just how making public our interrogation techniques, and informing the enemy just how far CIA agents may go and no further, will makes Americans safer escapes me, but it does make sense not to prosecute those assured they were doing their lawful duty.

The campaign is definitely over, and responsibility is setting in. Our new president and commander-in-chief is not about to declare war on the CIA.

Naturally those still in campaign mode on the left will be fuming at so sensible -- and responsible -- a statement from the president. The ACLU, the Keith Olbermanns and vindictives in general sound furious (as usual), but surely calmer heads will recognize the beginnings of wisdom, and restraint, in the president's words.

Those who work to protect us while we sleep deserve praise; instead, the angrier talking heads would hand them indictments. Mr. Obama may find himself the target of their ire for the next few news cycles before they get back to Bush-bashing.

The president and all the president's men have good, practical reasons for not pursuing this witch hunt any further. For if a president were to order up a raft of criminal indictments for our cloak-and-dagger types, he would do more than just demoralize the country's intelligence community. He would invite the next administration -- particularly if the pendulum of power swings back in the other direction, as pendulums are known to do -- to indict his own attorney general, intelligence chief, director of the CIA, or scapegoat of the day for doing their duty in the fight against terrorists.

And where would the cycle of vindictiveness end? The criminalization of the political process would just go on, just as purge follows purge in totalitarian societies.

No, better to end the recriminations here and now. Maybe with one more vague bow in the direction of those angry emotions the president appealed to when he was still waging his charismatic campaign. To quote another part of his statement: "We have been through a dark and painful chapter in our national history."

By dark and painful, do you think the president meant the past eight years during which our intelligence agencies prevented another disastrous act of terror on these shores? Or the harsh tactics that turned a defiant Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, into the most talkative of prisoners, unveiling al-Qaida's plans, hopes and table of organization with considerable pride and enthusiasm?

No need to go into detail. A nice, palliative phrase like "a dark and painful chapter of our history" can mean whatever the listener wants it to. It is part of Barack Obama's promethean genius as a rhetorician that he can please all while saying nothing.

Yes, grave injustices were surely committed during the War on Terror, and more are in the offing as the war continues by another name. It happens in every war. But would those injustices be righted by turning criminal prosecutors loose against those who have been doing their duty? Imagine how they would have been pilloried if they had not prevented another major terrorist attack on American soil. Think of the finger pointing in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.

Both the CIA and the Defense Department have in-house investigations, even courts-martial, to look into abuses of the laws of war and the derelictions of secret agents. Let's leave it to those agencies to pursue any wrongdoing in this war on terror -- not start a witch hunt.

There are some offenses best addressed by courts of law and others that are better left to the higher court called History. It would be an act of presumption, another word for audacity, for a president to infringe on its jurisdiction. Clio, muse of history, tends to get the last word. And on some matters, like this one, should.

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Dear Mr. Greenberg,
...PLEASE tell me that "The Wet Noodle and Thief" did NOT actually say,

"At a time of great challenges and disturbing disunity, nothing will be gained by spending our time and energy laying blame for the past."

Just WHAT, then, is to be made of his "blame-Bush-it's not-my-fault" reflex responses?!

I think you may be on to something, however:

this IS the era of Obambi's "Change, Hope and Euphemism"...

...also known as *C*H*E*....

yes and no
There is something to be said for not putting on trial the people who carried out illegal orders based on ludicrous rationalizations (although it appears that much of the torture occurred prior to any belief that it was legal, and beyond even the measures that were defended as legal) but there seems to be less reason for protecting the lawyers who were safe at home and willing to abuse the law to provide the cover.

And as more evidence comes out, not to surprisingly, it becomes clearer that torture was not effective. Abu Zabideya provided useful evidence, they chose to torture him only after he had nothing useful to give (because he was not as important a person as Bush had claimed). The idea that Khalid Sheik Muhammed was quickly broken through torture and then spilled what he knows turns out to be false. He was, of course, the source of the false information about Padilla, and we now learn he was waterboarded 187 times in two months, something that makes no sense on the version of events put out by the right.

To a degree that indicates why even Obama's assurances that there will be no prosecutions may not hold up. For years all of the information concerning torture were in the hands of people whose jobs depended on their supporting torture. Despite this no information could be produced to show that torture works. In fact what information was leaked to show this all turned out to be false as more evidence emerges.

Now the defenders of torture no longer control the information about torture. And since the information the torturers leaked did not support the case, the information that the people who came after the torturers release is not likely to be more positive to the torture case, to put it mildly.

What do you mean, torture?
What exactly do people mean by torture? I prefer that the word be used with at least a little care, if only in the interest of accuracy. To define it as the causing of discomfort or fear, it seems to me, is to twist its meaning (which is derived from the idea of twisting) to refer to activities that the real torturers of the world would laugh at.

What is waterboarding compared to pulling victims’ limbs out of joint, or cutting out their tongues, or burning them with sulfuric acid, or cutting off their eyelids and forcing them to stare at the sun till they go blind, or impaling them on poles, or skinning them alive, or putting them feet first into a wood chipper?

Real torture, it seems to me, is all too likely to result in severe disability or death, and it has been practiced and hideously perfected by Middle Eastern and other regimes from ancient times to the present. There is little difference, except for the use of modern technology, between the behavior of ancient Assyrian torturers under Tiglath-Pileser and modern Iraqui torturers under Saddam Hussein.

Not one of the CIA “tortures” seems to have resulted in any significant increase in disability or death for those subjected to them. Calling the things described in CIA memos recently released for public scrutiny “torture” is something like calling the withholding of an evening of television from a disobedient nine year old “nefarious child abuse.”

I agree with Lon
The agents who acted on illegal orders should not be punished (although I personally hold them in contempt for lack of moral fiber).

But the ones who crafted the illegal orders most certainly should.

Obama noted that "nothing will be gained by spending our time and energy laying blame for the past."

But that's false. It's called justice, and without it what good are we really?

Whose History?
The thing about leaving people to history is that the outcome depends on who writes the history. I grew up in a world that praised FDR for economic measures he took in the 1930's but since the Republican Revolution of the 1990's FDR has been blamed for the Depression and represented as a terrible influence on this country. I grew up in a world in which Abraham Lincoln was revered for holding the nation together in the 1860's, but in the past twenty years we have had actual court fights over the issue of flying the Confederate flag. In the 1950's and 1960's conservatives called Martin Luther King a Communist, the same name often given then to any who allowed interracial mixing, even in a church group. Not so today---conservatives even honor Rosa Parks, a woman many of them would have thrown right out the door that day she refused to sit in the back of the bus.

So how will Cheney be treated by history for condoning torture? Depends on who's writing it. Serious historical scholarship requires not just a statement of opinion but cogent argument supported by copious supporting detail---but in the Age of Internet, opinion suffices. Therefore, Obama is a Lying Satan-Worshiping Black Militant Terrorist-Appeasing Communist Socialist Fascist Muslim Dog-Hating Teenage-Pirate-Murdering Schizophrenic and he's also gay. I know it must be true: I read it all on townhall.

Lilly.
Just win, baby.

That's our motto.

You may discuss how, later.

Not all of us are "pleased" . . .
"It is part of Barack Obama's promethean genius as a rhetorician that he can please all while saying nothing."

I, for one, find nothing "pleasing" or assuring in Obama's empty and vapid platitudes. Only those who don't bother to listen to him find any measure of substance in anything he has to say.

Lilly
Most conservatives today would have been called "liberals" back in the 60's. The main opponents to Rosa Parks and MLK were Democrats.

Abraham Lincoln was the winner and then was "heroically" murdered, his supporters wrote the history books. When he said "Four score and seven years ago, our forefather brought forth a new Nation...", he lied. They brought forth a new alliance of 13 independent countries, similar to the European Union.

FDR? Really, you should check more sources. He was vilified as much as praised, but emotions ran so high that one idea or another tended to prevail in areas.

The Big O has realized
that he could be on the wrong end of a subpoena or committee investigation in a few years if his policies don't work (whatever policies he's had so far aren't doing anything) and maybe has SOME inkling that American presidents do not try to indict and prosecute other American presidents and their administrations, except in real banana republics and former commie h*llholes.

Charles Sch
You have the point backwards. Most conservatives today would have been ultraconservatives in the past. But they would likely hvae been Democrats. What has switched is not what counts as liberal and conservative. What has switched is what party the southern conservatives belong to.

William
More than 100 prisoners died in our custody. Jose Padilla was driven mad enough that he could not meaningfully contribute to his own defense. The idea that there has been no lasting damage under the torture that we committed is nonsense.

There is a long history of cases to fall back on in determing what is torture. Waterboarding has been used by other countries in the past, and the US has recognized that it is torture, and has tried people for war crimes for using the technique. The museum in Cambodia dedicated to portraying the evils of the Khmere Rouge features a waterboarding table to illustrate the fact that they tortured.

The right has really betrayed its followers by trying to make them complicit in defining down torture. And, of course, waterboarding is only one of the techniques approved by the Bush administration which we recognize counts as torture when used by anyone but us. Seldom has moral relativism been embraced so explicitly as by the defenders of the torture regime. We were actually accusing other countries of torture for using the very same techniques we were using at the time, but pretending was not torture.

Lilly, your history is a bit off
Lilly, Lincoln was a Republican. You know,that party founded in Ripon, WI by slavery abolitionists. The party he fought was the SAME Democratic Party as today. As for FDR, it's true many thought he was "for the little guy", and while most of his policies were well meaning, they actually prolonged the Depression.
As for MLK, he was a registered Republican and was hounded by the Democratic President, LBJ.
As for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, it was passed by a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats.

CHAVEZ'S GIFT AND CHURCHILLS BUST
What should Obama do with Chavez's gift of an anti-American book? Click Apollospeaks for the answer.

100 died
Maybe more than 100 out of the tens of thousands of terrorists captured died, maybe not. The figure has been disputed by abler commentators than I, and some of those who died, died at or near the point of capture.

Even if one believes all of the personal accounts of terrorists who tell of extreme abuse by their American captors (remembering that part of their training included the claiming of torture for its propaganda value among soft hearted folk whose credulity is exceeded only by their tendency to blame the US or Israel for every barbarity committed in the world), there remains the fact that the accounts were given by people who still had tongues in their heads, intact limbs, working brains, etc. The accounts (which I have read and been appalled by) interestingly detail some of the precautions taken NOT to inflict permanent damage.

Given the accounts we have available, and taking even the very worst claims against CIA agents as 100% true, which would a person prefer--to be a captive of the US, or to be a captive of militant Islamists? Of course, we'd prefer to be neither. But which situation would be more likely to leave us capable of giving an account of our treatment by our captors? As Edgar says in King Lear, "The worst is not/So long as we can say 'this is the worst..'" (4.1.27-8)

William
You don't have to believe the terrorist, you could believe the Red Cross that was belatedly given access to the prisoners (although apparently not all of them).

Unlike you I do not think that it speaks well of the US to be better than the terrorists. That is a pretty wretched standard. Is that the contempt that you hold America in that you think we should be proud to be better than islamic terrorists?

It is hard to think of people who think it is a defense of the US to say that we are not as bad as the terrorists as patriots. Do you really think that is a defense of our policies? That would still put us behind the bulk of the civilized world.

Joel de-Opressor Liber
This has come up before, but most of the prisoners at Gitmo were not picked up on the battlefield. The majority were bought from bounty hunters looking to make a buck. That is why the great bulk of them have since been released (mostly under the Bush administration). Many of them were taken by accident.

Even Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who really was a ringleader with al qaeda, was not captured on a battlefield. So whatever rationalizations one thinks follows from the battlefield canard, it does not actually apply to most of the Gitmo prisoners.

Lon, You're Full of It
You pile up and mix half truths, gossip, unsubstantiated allegations, with outright lies. All for the simple sake of continueing a vendetta against a group of people who no longer serve in office. Well guess what? The President and Holder found nothing. Do you think for a second if they would have found a smoking gun, they wouldn't use it?

You may also note that the President very artfully said that he would continue all of President Bush's policies including waterboarding. It's just that no waterboarding would be occuring at GITMO. That is because the new GIMO will be Bagram Afghanistan. Currently, the President is in a catfight with the DC Federal Judge who said the detainees at Bagram should be given Habeous Corpus rights similar to GITMO. Obama said, no way. So the "torture", captivity, and rendition policies go on. And Afghanistan is a long way from DC. Not very nice place, nor easy to get to for ACLU lawyers. It's in the middle of Indian Country.

Have fun protesting the man you elected.

The torture they chose not to describe
Many people have read the Red Cross accounts, based on private interviews with detainees. One thing was missing from every one of those accounts, though: the “torture” of not getting to carry out the plans on which some (not of course all) of the captives had set their hearts.
They had dreamed of pleasing their leaders and their God by killing many Americans and Israelis in glorious suicide/homicide missions and were terribly frustrated and depressed by the mere fact that they remained alive in US custody and would presumably remain alive for years to come. This frustration alone might qualify as "torture" if anyone wished to define it that way. It might even, in some cases, have been the worst torture they endured.
And certainly if they were slapped in the face or kept in a cold room naked or confined in a box or shackled in a chair or had water poured into their mouths and noses, these painful insults exacerbated their unhappiness. And if as a result they actually TOLD their captors things that prevented others from carrying out the homicides and tortures on which these others’ hearts had been set, surely the knowledge of their betrayal must have added IMMEASURABLY to their other tortures.
Those who do not have to deal concretely with the dangerous people in our custody may feel free to hold the US and Israel to a high and absolute standard of purity. But President Obama has actual responsibility for the safety of our citizens and must decide what compromises he will allow—and then act. It will be interesting to see what he does, and what consequences will follow.
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