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Sunday, February 22, 2009
Paul Greenberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Lost Holiday: Quick, Whose Birthday Is This?
by Paul Greenberg
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Despite the outward signs last Monday, there's actually no such holiday as President's Day to be found in the federal statutes. Or should that be Presidents' Day? Or just plain old, apostrophe-less Presidents Day? Like its legal standing, even the name of the holiday is uncertain.

Unmoored from the past, like a Presidents' Day connected to no particular president, holidays lose their meaning. Honor all presidents and you honor none; pretend all presidents are equal and they all fade into an equal obscurity.

It would be a harmless practice, designating the third Monday in February as an all-purpose, all-presidents holiday, if it didn't obscure what used to be two real holidays and the real significance of our greatest presidents -- Washington and Lincoln. If we lose touch with them, we lose touch with how we came to be, and stayed, a nation. We lose touch with what we are. For without them, America wouldn't be America.

Today, February 22, is not President's/Presidents'/Presidents Day, but Washington's birthday, at least according to the Gregorian calendar we now use. He was actually born February 11, 1731 Old Style. That is, according to the calendar then in use in this part of the world. That was before the colonies skipped 11 days to make the switch from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar, and young Washington obligingly moved his birthday to the 22nd. That date would become widely celebrated even in his own lifetime by a grateful nation.

But over the years General and President Washington faded from real-life hero into icon. His was the face on the dollar bill, his the portrait that used to hang in every American classroom. Like those pictures, he became just part of the background.

In the story once told to every American schoolchild, George Washington was the little boy who chopped down the cherry tree and wouldn't tell a lie. That tall tale was invented by his biographer and mythmaker, Parson Weems, but the parson's stories can't begin to compete with the saga of Washington's real, improbable life:

An awkward, rawboned countryman teaches himself to be a gentleman by laboriously copying "The Rules of Civility and Decent Behavior in Company and Conversation," and makes every one of them his own. For life. Those rules become not only his practice but his self.

A rash young soldier learns from a disastrous defeat at the hands of the French and Indians. He goes on to many another defeat before somehow emerging with a world-changing victory. It would become a pattern: As a military commander, Washington had a way of losing almost every battle but the last.

At the great, wrenching moment of decision in his time, this prosperous, ambitious Virginia planter risks everything he has--life, fortune, sacred honor--when he chooses to join the patriot cause.

A general without an army, he proceeds to raise one, and goes on to defeat the mightiest empire on the face of the earth. No wonder the band played "The World Turned Upside Down" at Yorktown.

The one thing that disorganizes more than defeat is victory. After eight long years of war (1775-83), and all the turmoil, sacrifice, divisions and confusions that go with war, the new country somehow emerged victorious. Also deeply in debt, adrift and desperate for strong, stable government. The sophisticates of Europe waited to see how long this notion of a people governing themselves could possibly last.

There used to be a name for the painful, uncertain pause in American history between the Revolution and the Constitution. It was called the Critical Period before revisionist historians got their hands on it. And it was well named, for one crisis followed another.

At one point an army demanding to be paid urged its commanding general to disband the incompetent, demoralized and widely despised Congress, and take control of the country himself. Instead, Washington resigned his commission and returned to Mount Vernon.

It would not be the first time this Cincinnatus turned his back on power and returned to his fields. Victorious generals have been known to seize power; this one could hardly wait to let it go. How antique.

As the woefully weak government under the old Articles of Confederation proved inadequate to deal with one challenge after another, the aging general would look on with growing concern as the nascent Union foundered. British troops refused to leave frontier forts, the national currency grew worthless, the economy faltered, trade was paralyzed, and the new government, largely paralyzed because it required the unanimous consent of all the states to act, seemed powerless to reverse the sad trend. Mobs marched and a rebellion flared in Massachusetts.

This leader who had surrendered the stage to others didn't just sit back and watch the dissolution of his country. To form a new, more perfect Union, he convened a meeting of the best minds and the most sagacious statesmen of his generation. As he told the delegates at the outset of their deliberations: "Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair." They did.

The result of their labors would be what a British statesman of some note, William Ewart Gladstone, would call "the most wonderful work ever struck off at a given time by the brain and purpose of man" -- the Constitution of the United States. Washington would preside over its birth. His presence at the head of the constitutional convention of 1787 gave it a moral authority no one else could have supplied.

Once again Washington had led us to independence -- to liberty and order. Ending the murk of President's Day and celebrating this day as Washington's Birthday would pay due homage to the man who pursued, and achieved, both for his country.

At the heart of this new Constitution there was envisioned a singular office: president of the United States. There can be no doubt about the provenance of a strong, unitary American presidency. It was modeled after, inspired by, and designed for just one man: George Washington. It is an institution created in his image.

The first president of the United States would appoint a cabinet that contained two of the most brilliant, mercurial and completely opposed statesmen ever to serve together: Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton.

Surely only a Washington could have kept them pulling in the same direction. Avoiding the impetuosity of both, this wartime hero managed to keep the peace with the two greatest, and warring, powers of his day, Great Britain and France -- no mean feat. The old general could be a brilliant statesman himself.

And when it came time to lay down the burdens of office, and at last be granted the return to private life so long denied him, Washington's farewell address would be his final gift to the nation he had molded.

First in war, first in peace, Washington is no longer first in the hearts of his countrymen on President's/ Presidents'/ Presidents Day. For the first president now has been merged with all the others in order to fabricate a generic new American holiday. This remodeled holiday is no longer just about Washington, or even Washington and Lincoln. With the introduction of President's Day, they've been reduced to just two more faces in the crowd.

It's not easy to trace how President's Day supplanted Washington's Birthday. Some attribute the whole, annoying innovation to Richard Nixon. (Why are we not surprised?) What we have here is another triumph of bland, indistinct, impersonal, egalitarian "diversity" over the individual hero -- this time among presidents. What a sad loss. For we need all the heroes we can hold onto.

But this loss -- in taste, in perception, in judgment -- need not be permanent. It is not irreversible even if it feels that way. A renaissance may begin with a single gesture. Like forgetting President's Day, and celebrating the real thing: Washington's Birthday.

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Thank you!
As a student of history, I knew most of what you had written, but am grateful for someone who actually published it where the public can read it.

George Washington was a human, like any other, like Lincoln later, like all Presidents. He was, however, a fine human, one who wanted what was best for his country, even if it meant he sometimes would not have what was best for him. In his Farewell Address we find a lot of excellent wisdom that is currently very much needed and very much ignored.

GW's & Mine

You said, "Quick!", so I'll read the column after I submit this...

George Washington's and mine.

At least, I'll get a card. George has simply been forgotten since Lincoln is SOOO much more important now!

Washington might have taken part in a massacre of French soldiers and confessed to it, but for Obama to use Lincoln is simply disingenious. Lincoln wanted to send all slaves to colonize Liberia. The Emancipation Proclamation had more to due with undermining slave states, than freedom for slaves.

I am not undermining Lincoln's achievements, but the claim by some that Lincoln was such a great proponent of slaves' rights demonstrates how little education exists today.

California Holidays
It could be worse. Gov. Schwarzenegger and the California Dems just got rid of two state holidays, and you can probably guess which ones. Cesar Chavez Day and Martin Luther King Day are still state holidays, but Columbus
Day and Lincoln's Birthday are gone.

Washington Learned.
Yes, quite a noble man, Washington turned out to be. The younger Washington, a man of his times, had hardly any intention or interest, except for gaining the land he and his king desired.

As to nobility, Jefferson talked it; Washington did it. Yes, the more one studies George Washington's life and works, the more one is in awe. He is the greatest American who ever lived -- one of the greatest humans who ever lived, actually.

A birthday celebration is the least we should do.

(Of some intereset, too, is Washington's most trusted officer, Daniel Morgan, gets hardly a mention, anywhere in our history).

Dredd
Of course the MLK holiday remain.

MLK is the only man in history that can't be criticized.

It's acceptable to criticize Washington and any every other Statesman past and present -- both here and abroad. And it's acceptable to mock Jesus at the drop of a hat. But it is unacceptable to ever be critical of Martin Luther King Jr.

So I guess, in a weird kind of way, the only man to have ever lived who is beyond reproach...probably deserves a holiday.

Mr Greenberg, Thank you
It is refreshing to see a writer give credit where it's due!
As an amature Revolutionary History buff I applaud your concern as to the merging into a faceless modpodge of presidents.
King George himself said that if Washington resigned he'd be the greatest man in the world.(not verbatium) He was right.
In the glossed over, politiclly (in)correct, texts that are young people are getting Washingtons role as a founding father is diminished into little more than a brief passage.
While Lincoln was a good president I personally don't share your enthusiasm about him.

President George Washington should always remain first in the hearts of his countrymen.

correction to post
In the glossed over, politiclly (in)correct, texts that are getting passed off as gospel to our young people, Washingtons role as a founding father is diminished into little more than a brief passage.

No substitute
None can touch the hem of his coat, nor will there ever will be another "Indispensable Man" like Washington. Lincoln is a distant second, if that. It is a shame that the city named after him has become a swear word, and an example of corruption and the lust for and abuse of power. The man it was named after was so opposite of what the city has become. He could not wait to go home and run his farm in peace. He could have been king, but turned it down in horror at the thought. So unlike our career criminals these days. He would be appalled at what politics and the country he founded has become.
Thanks for this little breath of fresh air in these oppressive times.

My favorite Washington story...
...About 20 years ago NPR interviewed an 90 some year old man in the hills of West Virgina.For most of his life he would walk around telling total strangers:"Shake the hand that shook the hand,that shook the hand,that shook the hand,of the great George Washington!".

The story was that when Washington refused to serve a third term in office and left office,he was traveling to Mt Vernon,and crowds would form to cheer him on.There was a nine year boy,who was a member of the crowd,and Washington shook his hand.That boy came from a long lived family and would brag about the incident.It became a tradition in that family to say "Shake the hand that shook the hand of the the great George Washington".They passed this tradition down to succeding generations.

I always wanted to look that guy up and shake his hand.To my eternal regret I never did. :-(

And incidently,the reason we have a Presidents Day in February is because of Martin Luthor King.Congress wanted to make his birthday a national holiday for political reasons,but we already had two holidays in February,our shortest month (Lincoln and Washington),because of that they couldn't get it passed.So they compromised by combining Lincoln/Washington holiday to one day and thereby not creating an additional holiday.

Thank you!
In a world where black prejudice and hatred of the white population attempts to strip all
honor from our country's true past, this article is a breath of fresh air.

In a world of lover's of self, and depth of physical pride, (look at me, look at me) it is beautiful to realize that genuineness of character is possible.

In a world where the president thinks a smile and charm is all you need to run a country.
True valor stands supreme.

This article restores a hope in the American goodness and humanity that I grew up with despite imperfections. We all know that no one is perfect. What we forgot is that, that should be motivation to work and prove worthiness. Free, unearned pride is what got us here. All in the name of a voting populous for the Democratic party.

The missing element, is that white Democrats playing gods, were the one's painting the picture of hatred and entitlement to a great people who could have proven their greatness on their own, thank you very much.

A parent who uses words to raise a child, instead of using a hard work ethic which is far more difficult, is a fool. A parent to takes a child no matter how deficient the society around that child claims he or she is, and motivates that child to use integrity, true grit, and very very hard work, to climb that ladder, is a hero.

A parent who teaches the child through example, that home and marriage is the true gold in this world, and that bling is as fake as glass, is a hero.

I'm sick of being hated because of the color of my skin, that skin is pink. You can say it is measure for measure, I call it idiotic. I've already made it through many put downs and humiliations, many sad tragedies, and hard times in my pink skin.

Let's stop hating our country, let's call haters haters. Holder, Clyburn stop hating, just stop it!!!!

Washington, the Constitution, and today
As Greenberg says in his article, Washington presided over the birth of "the most wonderful work ever struck off at a given time by the brain and purpose of man" -- the Constitution of the United States. Today we need a new Washington to revive that same document. Today, the Constitution is effectively a dead letter with unelected judges routinely (a word I use deliberately) ignoring things explicitly in the Constitution and inventing things that clearly are not there. When the Constitution is convenient, it is dredged up. When it is inconvenient, it is ignored. What we need today is a president who will use the power that the Constitution gives to him and to him alone to preserve and protect the Constitution itself and simply declare illegal whole departments of the federal government (education, energy, etc.) and whole programs (Social Security, Medicare, etc.) that are plainly violations of the Constitution. Shut them down, disband the bureaucracy that runs them, and sell the buildings that house them. No act of Congress or Supreme Court decision is needed. The executive authority to do it already exists in the Constitution itself. All that is lacking is someone with the courage to do it. Washington would have had that courage. We need him back.

I get it ...

If a historical figure does not represent some image of Slavery - whether good or bad - he or she is no longer relevant.

Americans are now stupid oxen thanks to the Liberal PC freaks.

Carlos, it is far darker than imbecility
We are not allowed to love our past, because of scenarios designated primarily by God Himself.

Now, what Holder and Clyburn want is forced relationships between people that prefer to select their own relationships.

Common word on tv street, is that "we still have segregation in the churches and the communities."

No matter how powerful Democrats get, they cannot take away the free time choices of the people. People want to live with people who like them, not hidden black racists who hate them.

The "racist" word needs to be addressed. These people have been fed a line of crap. They see everything as black and white. They could care less about the fact that in each community there is a pecking order.


These words need to be eliminated from our mind set "It is not fair." It is juvenile and idiotic. What is life? Life is being given a scenario with deficit and treasure. Our whole existence is to find out that the treasure is not in the bling it is in the family. The true treasure, the true rich man is the one who appreciates everything he has, from the crippled man with a billion dollars, to the poor man with a first grader.

All we have been fed is ego garbage.

Slavery was just an element in a society that we don't know to this day was not the test of the black population. They could have risen like a brilliant phoenix, but they chose to have a dream instead of a plan for their family.

It was never about the white people's concept. It was a challenge, like any challenge from playing piano, doing math, or running races. If you constantly tell the piano student that he is great, he never learns, he just has false ego which leads to jealousy, when all he had to do was work.

Washington never saw a challenge that he wasn't man enough to conquer.

Marint Luther King had a dream.

The day needs a ritual
If washington's holiday is going to be honored, it needs to have a ritual attached to it. Wouldn't it be great if part of the Constitution is read today. A ritual will keep it alive.
BTW, Instead of merging all Presidents together into one day, it would seem to me to make more sense to rename MLK as Civil Rights Day. After all that is what MLK was after, plus such a day will not just be for Blacks, but all minorities who have struggled for civil liberties. But that's just my humble opinion.

Truth & Falsehood v Good & Bad
Rambam Moreh Nevuchim: Adam had no ordeal between good and bad because he couldn't register good and bad. Adam had no concept of goodness or badness. He only had Truth and no understanding of Falsehood.

His test then was a test of Truth v Falsehood.

Good and Bad are always admixtures.

Good means something than in a balanced equation always means good.

Bad is the same. They both depend on other things and judgements.

Thus, good and bad are values. Values are relative to other objects or conditions. No matter how extreme you make them they are two opposite values.

Truth and Falsehood are not two different values. Truth is everything and all that there is and Falsehood means that which does not exist. Falsehood is not relative to Truth, or less or worse. It, the falsehood does not exist at all!!!


So what people call good can be extremely deadly because it is extrememly false. If indeed slavery had a Divine purpose (as depicted in Torah many times), and not error or happenstance, and this is Truth, then ulterior motives of any kind will divert the path.

Being mentioned in Tanakh is a great honor. Jeremiah 38:7 tells a story of a great man, a black man from Kush who was the only who risked his life for Jeremiah the Prophet. To be him in the World To Come, is a glorious thing. Had he been lied to, the purpose would not have been accomplished. A slave here in the Olam Haba, a prince for eternity.

President's day is a PC Hoax.
THe first thing I did this morning was put out the flags. Washington, the "Father of our Country," deserves the respect of all citizens. He is not to be forgotten by those who would defame and demerit. Let's bring Washington's and Lincoln's birthdays back. I remember as a child in school the importance of these two great presidents--let us not let them slide into the slime of mediocrity.

Mary Hogan
Your 11:03AM-EST post is excellently stated. Thank you.

those were the days
Washington is, truly, the only great president. Father of his country, that's true!

Lincoln's place in our history is secure mainly because of John Wilkes Booth, who laid him low. Now there are homosexuals in our midst who declare Lincoln was just like them. Honest Abe, giving hummers to another gay? Is THIS the forgotten gay holiday?

Kick me if we don't ought to name a holiday for John Wilkes Booth if Lincoln was really gay.




My aged cousin gave me dozens
books a couple of years ago -- almost enough to fill the bed of my pickup. These books were all very old and badly tattered. One was a history book that appeared to have been written in the early 'eighteen hundreds. My best friend now has the book and I do not recall the title or author.

According to this book:

GW surveyed a good part of what is now West Virginia when he was a young man and got to know the settlers well. He badly needed troops when the Revolutionary War broke out, so he sent word to the mountains that he needed men.
Eight hundred settlers left Western Virginia and walked to a place near Boston. These troops stayed with Washington until the end of the War. He was later asked why he was so fond of the troops from Western Virginia. He said: "Their word is good and they don't run!"

That's a pretty nice thing to say of a bunch of "hicks."

Celebrate today
Thank you Mr. Greenberg, for your article. To me, except for no mail delivery, "Presidents' Day" is just another day. Today, the 277th anniversary of the Father of our Country, is a day to be remembered.

Seadog:
Thanks for the interesting factoid about the troops from Western Virginia. That breed is still strong in the mountains.

Washinton was first among equals at the founding of the nation. While all of the founders were flawed human beings, they were men of rectitude and honor. They also read widely and thought deeply. Of our modern day political "leadership", how many could be described with those words?

Hint: you won't have to remove your shoes to count them.

Washington's Birthday
Mr. Greenberg:

There is no holiday called "Presidents' Day", "President's Day" or "Presidents Day".

According the 5 U.S.C. 6103, the holiday is "Washington's Birthday".

Too bad the media refuses to acknowledge this fact, and allows us instead to celebrate John Buchanan, Millard Fillmore, Richard Nixon, et. al. instead of the one man who deserves it most: George Washington!

Upland William
I agree. The Navy Times used to publish a tally of military killed by state. West Virginia was always at the top of the list, percentage-wise. I haven't seen a tally in several years, so don't know now. I do know that WVA has a LOT of National Guard folks deployed. I did some federal background investigations in WVA last year some of which was WVNG. Everybody I spoke with had been in Iraq (sometimes more than once) or were preparing to go. Went to NG centers all over too.

I was born in WVA and own the family farm about twenty miles from Clarksburg in Harrison County. I've been about everywhere in the world and WVa is still TOPS! The Lord willing, I'll be on the farm next summer.

We are all over the world too. I've run into hillbillies from WVa in some of the strangest places -- one being Lagos, Nigeria!

In answer to your question . . . best guess is a one handed person would tally 'em!

Playing The Race Card.
For pure political reasons some people like Eric Holder and Rep.Clyburn have stirred the race pot. Stupid,stupid,stupid.

Maybe it is their intent to start a dialog between the races. What is the point? I thought when a black ( if only part black) was president,the race card had no more use. WRONG!!!

In my opinion,they have stirred a hornets nest. People are mad enough that an unknown has turned our world upside down after three months in office. With much help from the Shadow Government he works for,of course.

I would advise Holder and others to back off and shut up about who are cowards. He just may find out who the cowards are.

Life on the Line
Washington,as did the other Founding Fathers, all put their lives on the line for generations of Americans, so we could leave in Freedom. Our young men and women in the military picked up the Torch of Liberty and fight for us today. What are we willing to do to honor that Legacy of Freedom and sacrifice?

D @9:58 pm
Yes, D, I also have read that he realized that he would accomplish more if he kept his temper in check. I have not read all that he said in public, but I cannot imagine his saying that what he wanted had to be done "because he had been elected president." I am sure that he acknowledged the limitations that the Constitution placed on the members of each branch of government.

Just for seadog
"If we have to we should take our soldiers up into the Blue Ridge mountains of our great country and their the people would fight till their last breath for the next twenty years if need be."

George Washington

On the one hand...
... I actually go along with Presidents' day because it is intended to celebrate both Washington and Lincoln and I have a little heartburn about celebrating one and not the other. (It's also worth noting that another of our Great presidents, Ronald Reagan, was born on February 6).

On the other hand, when you go to a furniture store and see their "Presidents' Day Sale" and note that if you buy $50 worth of merchandise you get a free portrait of Barack Obama in honor of the holiday, you begin to see what is meant by watering down the holiday.

Lincoln--Jake
I don't have any heartburn not celebrating Lincoln. The man that did more damage to the Constitution than any president--before or after--and opened the box to a plague of abuses by future presidents and future congresses and future courts. The man that single-handed killed the system the framers had put in place and turned the US into a unitary state where the "sovereign" states of the United States are no more sovereign than Tibet is a self-governing territory (the accurate translation of Zizhi Qu). I might also add a favorite among tyrants the world over especially in the halls of Zhongnanhai in Beijing.

If you want to bow to your god Lincoln, be my guest. But don't expect me to follow suit. And if you are going to celebrate President's Day, it means you are celebrating them all from racist, genocidists like Andrew Jackson to the totally incompetent like U.S. Grant (who was only a average at best commander and an even worse president)and George W. Bush. Dump Lincoln (and the other 42 or 43 if you want to count Obama--Grover Cleveland counts twice)and bring back the day as Washington's Birthday. A date equally revered in the CSA I might add--look at the Seal of the CSA sometime.


Eagle
"If we have to we should take our soldiers up into the Blue Ridge mountains of our great country and their the people would fight till their last breath for the next twenty years if need be."

That was also Lee's plan in April of 1865. Mistakes by others outside of Lee's control (sending arms instead of the more vital food)and Phil Sheridan trapped him before he made it which basically ended the war--although Johnson wouldn't surrender until later in the month (the 26th) and Kirby Smith of the Trans-Mississippi--May 26, 1865. If he had made it into the Blue Ridge he could have mounted a insurgency for years like Mao had done in China. That should have been the game plan from day one--the CSA needed more people like William Quantrill and John Mosby and less of those like Lee, Johnson (either AS or Joe), Cleburne (as good as he was), etc. but such is life as they say.

Seadog
WVA--the great unconstitutional state of West Virginia. Legalized by yet another decision from the Lincoln-stacked SCOTUS in Virginia v. West Virginia (1870) and only a year after Texas v. White (1869).




Edna Eagle
GW knew the folks well in Western Virginia and seemed to admire them.

They were tough people who had greatly improved their lifestyle from England, Scotland, Ireland and Germany -- and a very few other folks. They had no intention to knuckling down to anybody ever again.

Are they all still like that? I think many of them are, but meth has arrived in the mountains and ruined a lot of otherwise strong, young men and women.

american flag goes up today
the day obama was elected the american flag came down from the front of my house. today i am flying the american flag again out in front of my house in honor of george washington's birthday. however, it will come back down again after today because i will not fly it without good reason as long as a racist marxist socialist claims the title of president of the u.s.

Akaki
Legal or not is something folks can argue about forever.

Fact is that Western Virginia had little in common with Tidewater and Middle Virginia and had toyed with splitting off for years.

I was on the farm about 5-6 years ago and seen an article in the local paper that WVA had just paid X number of dollars to Virginia that was owed since 1863. I don't know if that is all that WVA owns, or not.

Carlos
I believe that the school district in New Orleans passed a resolution (whatever you want to call it, policy, etc) that no school could be named for anyone who owned slaves which would include some of the greatest minds and figures in US history--from Washington, to Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Lee among others.

I wonder if they did enough research to know that U.S. Grant owned slaves too? As did the family of Mary Todd Lincoln. One should note that public schools in NO are among the worst--if not THE worst--in the entire US and rivals some in some backwater "Third World" country and most of its students couldn't spell Cat if you spotted them the C and the T--a slur directed at one of LA's famous sons--Terry Bradshaw by Hollywood Henderson. But obviously the name on front is far more important than what goes on inside.

Seadog
"Fact is that Western Virginia had little in common with Tidewater and Middle Virginia and had toyed with splitting off for years."

True--and same with other areas inhabited by the "piney-woods folks"--northern Alabama, northern Georgia, east Tennessee, western North and South Carolina and Western Virginia.

The area was inhospitible to plantation agriculture, there were few slaves and most of its residents poor as dirt and viewed by the rich planters as poor white trash.

Tennesee and Alabama both provided orphan brigades to the Union and many boys from northern Georgia, the western Carolinas, Western Virginia, etc joined with other Union regiments not from their own states. Tennessee produced the only senator from a Confederate state that did not resign from the Senate when his state left the Union--Andrew Johnson--who would agree to run as Lincoln's running mate in 1864 and he was from east Tennessee (even if he was born in central NC).

What is ironic in all this is today, the areas of the south most anti-Confederacy during the war are the most pro-Confederate areas today.

Lori
Please prove to us that Obama believes one race is superior to another or even that he has a great dislike for whites (which would make him a bigot). How is Obama a Marxist--does he believe in the dictatorship of the proletariat? A one-party state, state ownership of the means of production, the army as an organ of the party, state ownership of the media--print, broadcast, etc.

A socialist? Perhaps. But no less than George W. Bush who orchestrated the take over of the nation's K-12 educational system, created a socialized drug plan for seniors, balloned the national debt from 5 trillion to 10 trillion (adding 5 trillion compared to Clinton's 1.5 trillion and for most of W's eight years he had a GOP lead congress so don't blame the Democratic Congress on this), the de facto take over of the American banking system, and the auto companies--even when the Senate rejected the "bailout" plan, Bush gave them the money anyway via TARP.

If you want to take down the US flag because of socialism you should have done so when Bush pushed the US more toward socialism since LBJ. And why fly it at all then since the US has been marching toward socialism and tyranny for at least close to 150 years. Perhaps Vicksburg had the right idea until 1945 (it didn't celebrate the 4th of July from 1863 until 1945). Also, Washington was born on the 22nd, not the 23rd. So you should have flown the flag yesterday.


Akaqi
You obviously have a good grasp of history and I agree with a lot of what you say.

I do not agree with "most of its residents poor as dirt, etc . . ."

My folks settled two different parts of WVA -- as did a handful of other families. They were there years before we split from England. One member of my family is recognized as the "first" settler in what is now Richie County. Most of these first settlers owned areas of land, some quite large, but as you say they were not suitable for much except livestock. Most folks raised cattle, sheep and fine horses. My grandfather talked of driving cattle to Baltimore, Maryland before trains reached that part of WVA.

WVA has produced several folks of note. I know of five admirals, a archbishop of the catholic, a secretry of state and a host of other people who excelled in their field. WVa has a very small population -- maybe because there are so many ex-pats -- I've met WVa natives all over the world.

WVA is nothing like what most people believe. There are, in fact, a lot of poor folks in WVA, but poor is relative. People I grew up with usually owned their homes/farms, raised a large garden, butchered hogs and beef for meat and usually worked for wages in addition to caring for their farm. They didn't have much in the way of Yankee Green Dollars, but they lived very well.

I invite you to visit WVA. It is nothing like most folks believe.

I've lived in Morocco, Spain, Italy and Panama. In addition, I have probably visited every country that is touched by water -- and several that are not. I have met nice folks everywhere -- really nice folks in some places, but I have never seem people who will go out of their way to help others like those in WVA.


Seadog
In 1861 most were poor as dirt. But then where I live most were poor as dirt too--I live on the edge of appalachia (can see the southern spur of the appalachian mountians from my house some 15 miles or so distant, but technically I am still in the Piedmont). West Virginia is one of the poorest states in the US (seen rankings at the 5th poorest and others as the 8th poorest). It has two of the poorest counties in the US--McDowell and Calhoun counties. Senator Byrd and lots of bedroom communities on the eastern edge that serve DC has allowed WVA to rise much and as with much of appalachia I bet retiree and second-home builds have been a real boon for its economy too--just like you see in north Georgia, east Tennesee and western NC.

Mississippi is the poorest, but even in the poorest place in the US--the Mississippi Delta which rivals the "Third World" there are people there that are filthy rich.

As a child, I had a good friend who was from WVA--I think Charleston--he was a big Steelers fan (guess he still is) and ironically again a very big pro-Confederate. Had a print of the 1889 Battle of Lookout Mountain lithograph by Kurz and Allison--above it the updated title of "Battle above the Clouds on the wall next to his bed. I asked him once "wasn't WVA pro-Union?" He replied "No, we were forced to join." Untrue (but what did I know at 12?). He also had a strange view of the US flag--destroying say a 34-Star flag or 35-star flag (the flag of the Union at the time) was fine, but touching a 50-star flag was high treason. This never ever made sense to me. Southerner relations with the Union (today and then) can be rather confusing.

Akaqi
Again, you're pretty correct, but as I said before, "poor" is relative to how one is living. -- stats don't always give a true picture.

My best friend's father (almost alike a second father to me) worked all his life for Pittsburg Plate Glass. He probably didn't make more than about $400.00 per month the best year he worked. He owned his own home -- a nice home with about three acres of land -- had a big garden and drove a good automobile. He lived within his means though -- he did not buy a new car until we were teenagers. He wanted for nothing.

My dad was a farmer and built houses for folks -- when his farm work was done. I guess we were poor by today's standards, but we never wanted for anything we needed. I noticed after I joined the Navy and went home with middle-class guys from NYC and NJ that we ate one hell of a lot better than they. I had a more interesting life growing up than they too. Seems that all they did was what teens now call "hanging out" and going to Coney Island. None had ever worked at anything, rode/driven a horse/tractor/truck, handled animals, cut timber, hunted, fished -- damn, but they had a boring life!

There are hells of folks in WVA who probably make less than 20K per year who live very good.

Are there folks in bad shape in WVA? Yep, a fair number of 'em, but a number wouldn't take a lick at a snake if someone handled them a stick!


There are still some Confederate types in WVa as well as a Take-Over-the-Country nuts in the Southern part of the state -- I heard they came from Montana, or some such. They got caught with plans to blow up the huge FBI complex in Clarksburg a few years ago! Some of 'em are now in a federal prison, but others are still around, so I hear. We all have our share of nuts!

Akaqi
Re: your earlier comment concerning Lincoln.

You seem very well read, so you may have already read "Lincoln and His Admirals" by Craig L. Symonds. My son gave me the book for Christmas -- and I, to use a worn phrase, "could barely put it down."

I've read books about Lincoln my entire life -- probably from the third grade, but I had no idea just how fouled up his cabinet was! If this book is correct, and I have no reason to doubt it, he was extremely poor at making decisions. The book is NOT a hit piece on Lincoln, but it describes his administration very well. (More about his administration than about his admirals . . .)

Seadog--Part I
Lincoln's cabinet was a result of him trying to reach out and bring his rivals inside. I suppose this was in a way like LBJ's comment about FBI director Hoover when he named him FBI director for basically life--his comment to an aide (I am told) when he was asked why not fire the SOB was it was better to have him inside peeing out than outside peeing in.

Seward, Stanton, Chase, etc saw Lincoln as a bumbling fool (and despite my distaste for him he was never that)and they joined the cabinet with the idea they could control him and be the real power--it didn't turn out that way. Stanton claimed his only reason for joining the cabinet was to "save the country." Some of his cabinet were pure fools though--Simon Cameron (who was replaced in 1862) as Secretary of War for example. Lincoln's cabinet was one of necessity. Due to the various factions, desires and infighting of its membership it didn't run like a well-oiled machine, but it worked and it worked far better than Davis' cabinet did.

Obama wanting to be Lincoln II has tried the same approach--bringing in Clinton and her "husband's" people and bringing in some Bush people (a sad tradition that began at least with Clinton and his SOD Bill Cohen and even before as Knox for example a Republican was brought in to FDR's cabinet)such as Gates and trying to bring in Richardson.

I don't think this was required unlike in Lincoln's case (and in 1864 he even replaced the radical Republican Hannibal Hamlin with pro-War Democrat and Southerner Andrew Johnson).

Seadog--Part II
Mixed cabinets are a bad idea in my view. Just ask Chen Shui-bian when he appointed Tang Fei as his Premier in 2000--a member of the KMT and an air force general who was then the outgoing administration's Minister of National Defense. Chen's party the DPP hated him because he was well KMT and the KMT hated him because they saw him as a traitor for agreeing to be Chen's Premier. Attacked on both sides, he was a total failure--he resigned 6 months after being appointed citing his health.


Akaqi
Quite a bit of what you say is covered in the book I mentioned. Lincoln was a very inept manager, according to the book. I found it interesting because I never seen anything like that spelled out before -- most books praise Lincoln to the sky.

I, myself, believe Lincoln was an exceptionally bright man who went so far that he was way out of his depth.

Nice chatting with you and thanks for the info.

Gots to run.

Best Book on Abe Lincoln
"The Real Lincoln: From the Testimony of His Contemporaries" by Charles L. C. Minor, M.A., LL.D. is undoubtedly the most reliable biography of Lincoln.

Charles Minor was, among other things, "the first president of the Virginia Agricultural and Mechanical College, now the Virginia Polytechnic Institute [VPI], at Blacksburg, Virginia..."

Minor uses only biographical information and direct quotes from Licoln's friends and contemporaries who were for the Union cause during the war, so as to not to be accused of using Southern partisan information.

The book is completely documented as to sources, unlike those works on Lincoln that rely on heresay and myths about the man.

The 1904 edition of the book was reprinted in 1992 and can be ordered from the following:

"The Real Lincoln," Charles L. C. Minor, composed of quotes from those who knew him personally. Cloth book, 287 pages, $12.50 sale until March 31, 2009/$16.00 after that date.

Send check or money order (no credit cards accepted) with a $4.00 shipping fee and a 5% Virginia sales tax if a Virginia customer to:

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Sprinkle Publications also has an E-mail address: sprinklepub@planetcomm.net for those who would rather order that way.

I do not have anything to do with Sprinkle Publications, but would like to pass on the information for those interested in getting reprints of American Colonial and War Between the States historical and biographical books.

Happy reading!

Happy Birthday President Washington!
Without George Washington the United States would not exist. Our ancestors thought enough of him to name our nation’s Capital as well as one of our 50 states after him.

Washington's Family Birthday Celebration
George Washington's birthday on February 22nd has been celebrated by Americans since the end of the American Revolutionary War because he was a revered "family" member in our fight for freedom.

Patriotic organizations such as the Sons of the American Revolution (S.A.R.), the Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) and the Children of the American Revolution (C.A.R.) celebrate Washington's Birthday each and every year with huge luncheons or birthday parties in every state of the union as well as internationally.

The above-named organizations are composed of the many thousands of hereditary descendants of men and women who fought on the winning side of the American Revolution with their hero, George Washington.

Washington will always be as Lighthorse Harry Lee described, "first in war, first in peace and first in the hearts of his countrymen."

It does not matter what the calendars say, we will still celebrate George Washington's birthday on February 22nd because only he is worthy of such a memorial celebration.

Lepanto, Agreed!
Happy Birthday to the greatest man to have graced the earth, except for Jesus.

Of all the other Presidents, the only one that measures up to be able to polish Washington's boots is Reagan. The rest aren't good enough say his name except very humbly.

Agaki, thank you. I had known some of those details, but had not refreshed my knowledge in quite awhile. Having grown up in MA and then VA, my history lessons centered on the Revolutionary war in MA, and the Civil War in VA. That was before the revisionists got ahold of the text books.

We don't need any...
silly, needless individual holidays honoring Washington or Lincoln when we have a sacred holiday honoring a real American hero “Dr.” Martin LUCIFER King a fake, phony, fraud, farce, a liar, cheat, plagiarist, womanizer, adulterer, anarchist and an ignorant Communist tool, if not actually a Communist.

Sorry, but...
... the Articles of Confederation have gotten a bad rap over the years. In a sense, the initial Declaration and the Articles in 1776 were the high water mark of American ideals, and we've spent the last 230-odd years backpedaling.

Mary Hogan
But you need R. Bob Dobbs to achieve Slack.


Thank you
Thank you. George Washington has always been my favorite President. He was truly the indispensable man of his times. And the fact that he would not run for a third time just put the icing on the cake. To walk away from that power and not want it, awesome.
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