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Monday, July 21, 2008
Paul Greenberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
Good News is No News
by Paul Greenberg
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Have you been keeping up with the good news out of Mosul, al-Qaida's last urban stronghold in Iraq? The good news is that it's not an al-Qaida stronghold any more. Thanks to the latest American and Iraqi offensive.

But you might not have heard about that welcome development. American victories don't get all that much play in this country - a pattern that dates back at least to David Halberstam's heyday as a New York Times war correspondent and behind-the-scenes player in Vietnam.

For news of victory, Americans may have to look to the foreign press. For example, The Times of London, which carried a piece by Marie Colvin the other day. She reported that "American and Iraqi forces are driving al-Qaida in Iraq out of its last redoubt in the north of the country in the culmination of one of the most spectacular victories of the war on terror."

Who knew? I must have overlooked the story in the New York Times. Nor did I see it on the AP wire. And I missed it on NPR, too. For much of the American media, good news is no news.

But there's hope. Reality dawns. Even at the New York Times. In a front-page story, the Times' Steven Lee Myers reports that the Pentagon, which has already begun withdrawing combat brigades as the Surge achieves its purpose, is considering further reductions in American force levels in Iraq.

To quote Mr. Myers: "Such a withdrawal would be a striking reversal from the nadir of the war in 2006 and 2007. Security in Iraq has improved vastly, as has the confidence of Iraq's government and military and police, raising the prospect of additional reductions (in American troop strength) that were barely conceivable a year ago."

Barely conceivable to some, anyway. Last year Barack Obama, who's now cinched his party's presidential nomination, was still arguing that the Surge would fail: "I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops in Iraq is going to solve the sectarian violence there. In fact, I think it will do the reverse."

But don't look for any of his anti-Surge statements on Senator Obama's Web site, not any more. They've just been purged. And replaced by a new, more militant stance. To borrow a phrase from Ron Ziegler, Richard Nixon's hapless press secretary: "This is the operative statement. The others are inoperative."

There's no longer any sign on the Web site of Senator Obama's long articulated, often reiterated view that American policy in Iraq is doomed to failure. It's been tossed down the memory hole. Winston Smith, whose job at the Ministry of Truth in "1984" was to rewrite history, would understand perfectly. Nothing is more mutable than the past - at least on your own Web site.

At the same time Senator Obama was dismissing American prospects in Iraq last year, his chief rival for the nomination, Hillary Clinton, was ridiculing the new commander in the field, telling Gen. David Petraeus at a widely publicized hearing that it would take "a willing suspension of disbelief" to put any faith in his projections.

Those projections now have proven even more reliable than even the general could have hoped at the time. But I have yet to see an apology from Senator Clinton for her snide remark, nor, worse, do I expect one.

Yes, victory in Iraq was barely conceivable a year ago - but only to some. It was conceivable to a visionary new commander in the field and an old U.S. senator named John McCain, who backed the general's plan when that was anything but the popular thing to do.

It was easy enough to jeer at the general when all the odds seemed against him; what took political courage was to support him.

At this point it would take a willing suspension of disbelief to put any trust in the military judgment of a Barack Obama - or the humility of a Hillary Clinton.

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Jeez Robert
Take a prozac or two.

Good column Mr. Greenberg. A bit underwhelmed at the end about McCain's solitary claim to fame moment of making the correct decision and sticking by it. I am not about to even begin to think about beginning to rethink McCain until he picks his VP. Then, we shall see. Highly doubtful he gets my vote anyway but, I reserve the right to reconsider up until the ballot is marked.

I find it really funny
That Wobbie the wussy would use "Rattler" as his screen name, at least until his posts are deleted in a few hours.

A Rattler is a distinguished member of the snake family that it to be feared if you anger it.
Wobbie, on the other hand, is a moron who is to be mocked and baited into proving to the world what an idiot he is.

ANY self respecting Rattler would laugh his tail off at Wobbie for using "Rattler" as a screen name just before he bit the fool on his fat, stupid, YackASS.

Hey Hitchhiker
if not McCain then who...you one of those that will sit on your hands at voting time so Obama could possibly win...we need all hands on deck voting for our man whether we like him or not. I'm not thrilled either but I will definitely vote and it will not be for the dhimocrats. To the column it's really a damn shame the Main Drive Bye Media can't give credit for the success in Iraq.

Poor Hillary and Obama
They and their fellow demothugs want so badly to get into power that they will say anything to please their defeatist base in primary time, even if they thereby encourage our enemies. It was the same during our Civil War when democrats earned the name copperheads (snakes).

no sense of history
A lot people like Rattlr29 have no sense of history. They expected and still expect a wartime leader to fight one battle, winning it of course, and send the troops home. However, it takes time to sort through all of the agendas and advice of competing advisers looking for their little niches in the history books too. Read up on Lincoln and his learning curve. It took a while, but he finally got it more or less right. Same thing with GW Bush. Moreover, Lincoln and Bush inherited a mess created by their predecessors who tried to avoid confronting or fully confronting the inevitable. Some day we will thankful to Bush for having had the courage to step up to the plate.

renoman
I'm with you. I will vote for McCain. Staying home and not voting is giving the presidency to the Liberal/Fascist on a silver platter! I, like many others, am disappointed with McShame's voting record. Many say that they feel "betrayed" by the Republican party and that they will stand on "Conservative principle" and not vote. To teach the party a lesson! The party!? Screw the party! This is about our "country!"

Most clear thinking American's know exactly what Obama is. A lying, phony, egotistical con-man! A puppet! With Soros and his backers pulling the strings! This Liberal/Socialist is not fit to command a Boy Scout troop! Let alone be Commander in Chief!

To the nose holders:
Those of you who want to hold their nose and vote for McCain,be advised that you will probably have to hold your nose and vote for a pseudo-Republican again in 2012,2016,etc.What you support,you will get more of.What you oppose,you will get less of.I will never vote for John McCain for president,but instead of skipping the election this year,which is what I had planned to do,I see I have a chance to vote for a Conservative in Bob Barr.And no,he has no chance of winning,but that's not my purpose.My purpose is to send a very,very,small message to the Republican party,that if they want MY vote,they better give me someone I can vote FOR,without holding my nose.

McCain-Feingold was the most dangerous and successful assualt on our freedom of speech in my lifetime.I will NOT be associated with it.

Iraqis are gonna decide this.
I suppose it is good news to put on the run a group of fanatics that was not present in Iraq to any great number until our invasion beckoned them there.

One can argue our invasion attracted them there, and better to kill them in Iraq than here.

But even our military acknowledges Al Qaida was able to claim only a few Iraqis to its cause.

And so the question has to be asked, then, just who accounted for all this violence, blood-letting, carnage, looting, etc., if only a relatively few Iraqis supported Al Qaida?

Norwegians?

Good guess.

I suspected as much!

In truth, lots of Iraqis participated in the carnage, yet had nothing to do with Al Qaida.

So are we so certain that getting rid of Iraq's few Al Qaida supporters will mean "happy days are here again" for Iraq?

I think much of the reduction in violence is due to our bribing former Sunni Iraqi insurgents to refrain from targeting us. That, and Al-Sadr's ceasefire.

But these Sunnis are beholden to us, to our monetary inducements, not to the Shia government.

Just yesterday our forces accidentally killed the son of the governor of the Salahuddin province in Iraq. Mistakes happen, but this underscores Iraqi govt resentment over not being able to hold accountable Americans who commit such acts, and makes them want us to leave, evenmore.

They want our money, but they don't want a significant U.S. military presence in their country.

At least that's how it's beginning to look like.



Marine's Dad
It's not odd that Wobbie calls himself "Rattler." Immediately, I get the image of li'l Wobbie, sitting in his playpen with a messy diaper, screaming for Mommie to come change him, all the while shaking his little rattle.

Hey??
Did anyone hear the reports of over a hundred insurgents/alQaeda sympathizers turning themselves in to our soldiers in Baghdad?? Seems that they got tired of the fighting and wanted to turn themselves in. In that bunch, we got the #2 and #4 most wanted. Why was Fox News the only one to report this?? Where were ABC, NBC and CBS?? Oh, I forgot, reporting on Obama's 3-point basketball shot.

Look at that media twit Logan!!
In between bonking everything in pants, and a skirt for all we know, Lara Logan made a more or less decent effort to get news into the news.
Whenever she felt like getting her tush out of the air and hauling her knickers back up she sent in a lot of copy.

Then the war cooled off in Iraq to the point that she called her network and told them she had an RPG-7 aimed at the head of the local bureau chief and would pull the trigger if they didn't let her stories out.

The problem was that the deaths and explosions were down so much the libtard media had nothing THEY wanted to report. If a soldier managed to find the last IED in his patrol zone THEN they might let her zip out a story or two.

For an ubertwit who had her legs in the air more times than all the Rockettes when she SHOULD have been taking to G.I.s, she put a truth the major media twits won't admit. That they're ONLY interested in negative coverage.

-Ray
NRA Life Member

Ernie Pyle is rolling in his grave
For that matter, so are William Shirer and Edward R. Murrow.

The liberal lie never changes
It took literally two days after the invasion of Iraq began for the left to spout their party line, which is a lie, that Saddam had no WMD and Bush lied about it.

We found proscribed al Samoud missiles. The lib response: "they're not WMD."

We found two Russian MIgs buried in the desert. The lib response: "they're not WMD."

We found a terrorist training camp at Salman Pak that included facilities for making sarin gas bombs and the fuselage of a US passenger jet used to train hijackers. The lib response: They're not WMD.

We found 500 mustard gas warheads. The lib response: Those are 'old' WMD. Only new WMD count.

We found hundreds of tons of the very yellowcake that was at the center of the Joe Wilson/Scooter Libby controversey. The lib response: continue to ridicule cons who maintain that Saddam had WMD.

Now we have jerebaub trying to say that our military victory in the north of Iraq isn't really a victory.

Get this straight jerebaub. When you write that the "Iraqis will decide this" you are (unwittingly) ackowledging the success of the war, which is still nicknamed "Operation Iraqi Freedom." Before Operation Iraqi Freedom the Iraqis were not permitted by Saddam to decide anything. What part of this don't you get?

More than 50 years ago a patriot named Joe McCarthy was railroaded and ruined because he claimed there were commies in the State Dept. History has vindicated him, yet foolish, ignorant liberals continue to invoke his name as a synonym for misguided crusading.

Years from now history will vindicate the Iraq War and verify that Saddam had WMD. Lots of them. And that he would have had more and used them if Bush hadn't stopped him.

And guys like you will continue to insist that Bush lied.


He was against the surge
before it was a success and now he's for it.

Gee, where have I heard that one before?

Right you are Iraqis to decide
Iraqis did participate in the terror against their own citizens, like Sadam and his boys. If Obama had his way Sadam would be on his balcony celebrating the deaths of innocent civilians by terror bombers today.

Iraq is a democratic republic and the world has seen the difference between the terrorists Bush went to fight and Islam. Terrorists do not care what religion you are if you are not of their brand of Islam.

The world press does a better job at telling us what is happening in Afganistan also. A London newspaper reported how the German special forces had tracked down a major terrorist leader and did nothing because of their rules of engagement. They do no shoot unless shot at. He got away.
Just another example of how the U.N. shows it is not serious about fighting evil.

Bush was right about being able to have a democratic state in that area. Bush said the terrorists would come and they did. Bush said the time table was not known and it wasn't.

Had Obama and the democrats had their way the real civil war would be in full bloody spectacle on the evening news for the entertainment of the libs who talk peace and watch the tv screens to see babies who've had their arms cut off are brought before the cameras.
The lib elite would sip their wine and then ask shouldn't we be getting the mob and have a demonstration?

Thank you president Bush for putting an end to a tyrant like Hussein. Whish the U.N. could do as much in areas of Africa or Lebanon.

Al Qaida in Iraq.
No, Al Qaida was not in Iraq until we got there. Our presence THERE was simply to draw them to Iraq where we could kill them... THERE.

wiseone
I am so glad we agree at last.

Yessir, we both agree it is good that the Iraqis are in charge of their country.

And I guess we had a hand in that...rearranging which group of Iraqis are in charge...deposing a secular Sunni thug and letting the Iraqis elect a conservative Shia government that seems a bit too close to Iran.

But, what the heck.

At least it is their decision now who governs Iraq.

We done good getting rid of a murderous thug.

I just wish we'd left it at that.

Anyway, the popularly elected Iraqi government does not seem happy with Bush's previous refusal to abide by a timeline on withdraw of our forces.

Which is precisely why Al Maliki made those comments, seeming to support Obama's position for a definitive timeline.

He used our political process to force Bush to accept what he said he would never do, accept the notion of a timeline.

Ain't politics a wonderful thing?

Bush should not draw down troop levels
We are on the threshold of victory in Iraq precisely because George Bush got up one more time than he got knocked down.

The remarkable decrease in violence in Iraq, the routing of al Queda, the shut-down of Shiite Militias and the squeeze on Iran's interference is a fact because of the actions and guidance of the U.S. Military.

It is for this reason that we should maintain present troop levels through the November elections. Should we declare any intent to draw down before then, it will only facilitate the decision of the next president with respect to prematurely withdrawing more combat brigades for the sake of politics. Should that president be Obama, it is a given that he will do just that.

Mr. Bush, let the decision with regard to the future of Iraq now fall on your successor. By staying the course, you have in essence won the war. Let it be the decision of the next commander in chief to lose it.

Marine's Dad
I never thought of the rattle snake in regards to Robert. My first thought was that it was such an appropriate name. He rattles, and it is like that rattle you hear in your car...and you turn up the radio to drown it out. You ignore the rattle for awhile, but when it keeps getting louder, you eventually have to address it. Once the rattle is gone, you get a peaceful ride again.

He's a rattler alright, just not the proud and noble snake! Or instead of the term-All Hat and no Cattle; we could say Robert is all tail and no teeth.

Obama's Clean Slate
It's beginning to look like Obama will inherit a much better Middle East situation come Jan 2009. Troops levels may be reduced to half of Jun 2008 levels, Bush caved and will now be speaking with the Iranians (something he never said he'd do, but something Obama insists on), and Al Qaida has been reduced to occupying a few villages and ratholes in the Hindu Kush.

Obama will be able to "declare victory" in Iraq and pack up if he so choses. Look for something similar in Afghanistan; the Dems never did like wars very much (that's wars that actually have dead solider's and require real fighting). The question remains: what next? Obama's only hard statements concerning the WOT are he's against violence and wants the EU/UN to do "thier fair share". Obama has already got himself in a tight corner. He's been on record saying he's a "root cause" kind of guy, and believes it si better to talk than it is to shoot. He's mentioned in a round about way that he would like to resurrect the Clinton Model on fighting terrorism (legal model crafted by Jaimie Gorelick and Sandy Berger)

Troop draw down
Al Malaki had asked that the U.S. forces stay in Iraq back when the fighting was at the peak. Now that it appears we are near the end he is asking for a timetable.

So when Bush pulls the troops out because victory has been attained that's a sign he believes Iraq was wrong in the first place?

Circumstances change.

the way it is.
Bush will have some forces withdrawn from Iraq prior to our elections, in order to give McCain some cover, some credibility, in calling for further reductions in the future.

The argument will be couched in "national security" of course, meaning that as we withdraw some troops from Iraq, we augment the forces in Afghanistan, which all agree is a worsening situation.

The question arises, of course, is why we must augment forces in Afghanistan in the first place?

We all know Bush diverted both military and intel assets from Afghanistan in 2003(and before), in preparation for Iraq.

But Al Qaida's base of operations was always Afghanistan. Bin Laden was there, the training camps were there. The training of the 9/11 hijackers occurred there(and in the U.S. at various pilot training facilities). There is NO doubt Al Qaida in Afghanistan orchestrated this event.

Not Iraq. There was hardly any Al Qaida presence in Iraq while Saddam was in power.

Is the fact we may have not had the necessary forces in Afghanistan from the start an implied admission that we focused our forces in the wrong theater, and the diversion of what few forces we had there to Iraq only worsened the Afghanistan situation?

We all know Bin Laden escaped from Tora Bora in late 2001 or early 2002 because the administration did not send sufficient U.S. forces to seal the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan, allowing Bin Laden to escape, despite repeated requests to Rumsfeld by the CIA's field commander there(Gary Berntsen).

The administration expended the overwhelming military assets and funding to remove a thug in Iraq that had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11.

And now we are playing "catch-up" in Afghanistan.

interesting
Greenberg may not put much faith in Obama's foreign policy claims, but Maliki is making clear that he favors Obama's approach over McCain's. And McCain's claims all depend on the competence of Maliki.

McCain is reduced to claiming that Maliki doesn't mean what he says, he just has to say these things to have a chance to get reelected. (Of course, that assumes Iraq gets its act together in time to have elections). But since our victory is supposed to be based on creating a democracy in Iraq, the fact that Maliki can't get reelected without showing a preference for Obama's plan does not bode well for the coherency of McCain's plan.

And now McCain is trying to copy Obama's plan to send more troops to Afghanistan, but he can't do it coherently because he can't say where the troops will come from.

In general Obama's record on Iraq shows far more understanding than McCains even if he was surprised by how effective the surge was at reducing violence (along with the completion of cleansed neighborhoods and the bribing of many of the people who had been creating disorder, and the general cease fire by Sadr who expects to win elections if they are ever held).

Al-Quaeda hated but FEARED Saddam
While he was there they were powerless. They hated any secular Muslim state. Their unchanged goal is a total worldwide caliphate and that has NOT changed.

With Saddam gone they saw a chance to keep the Iraqi people in turmoil and destabilize the new and struggling government which had allowed WOMEN to vote and HOLD OFFICE. No fundamentalist Muslim would tolerate THAT.

There NEVER WAS an Iraqi "insurgency"! Not EVER! It was all OUTSIDE agitators and terrorists from Iran and Syria terrified of a democratic Islamic state next door. The mullahs in Iran are peeing all over themsleves because they students and a lot of other people are rioting AGAINST their iron fisted theocracy. Let them see Iraq become a self-determining nation and they may wake up with their throats cut. Insha'Allah! (God willing in Arabic)

-Ray
NRA Life Member

jerabaub
Are you really as ignorant as you seem?

The Maliki headlines did two 180's so please keep up. The man is up for re-election so it is little wonder.

As to pulling out once Saddam removed and leaving it at that...that is one of the more ridiculous things I have ever heard. When mass genocide took place and Iran took over you and gained even more power would be screaming about that as well.

The WOT is

an asymetrical war. Really the first asymetrical war the U.S. has ever fought. For this reason, it is stupid to critcize earlier mistakes when tactics and objectives for such a fight have until now only been theoretical.

Lolo1
So when you say the man(Maliki)is up for reelection, and it is little wonder he is advocating a timeline for removal of our forces, is that not an admission of what Iraqis themselves want?

Presumably he is articulating a position likely to result in his reelection, right?

Which makes my argument that the Iraqis want us out.

Thank you very much.

In fact, Al Maliki is probably behind the curve on this one. I suspect the populace wants us out more than the comments Al Maliki has made would suggest.

Your other point about what would happen once we removed Saddam and departed, is a good question.

One can argue that. Perhaps you are correct the void would have been filled by Iran.

But then, is not the Shia government in Iraq already close to Iran?

I would have respected Bush had he not tried to conflate, distort, the two wars...Afghanistan and Iraq.

But he KNEW Americans would never send their sons to die in order to free Iraqis from oppression unless he(deceitfully)merged the two missions.

mccain is being left behind
after meeting with obama this morning, al-maliki's spokesman said iraq wants troops out by 2010.

how about "when they stand up we will stand down"

well they are standing up and telling us to leave in 2 years.

obama has been right on this.


Lolo1
One other point.

So you are saying our invasion to remove Saddam means we now must remain in Iraq in order that Iran not control it.

But Saddam certainly kept Iran from controlling Iraq.

So our removing Saddam(the force that prevented Iran from controlling Iraq)now means we are obligated to remain in Iraq in order to prevent the Iranians from controlling an Iraq that was only made possible by our removing Saddam in the first place.

Closer to Iran
Prior to the war Iraq was being portrayed as a remarkable example of having a secular society in the midst of religious zealotry.

If Iraq is to remain a single state it is not in their interest to become so close to Iran as to allow the Mullahs of Iran to gain in influence. Iraq national pride has been shown to be very strong.

PAUL GREENBERG, TELL IT THE WAY IT WAS

PAUL GREENBERG, re the surge in Iraq, writes: "Yes, victory in Iraq was barely conceivable a year ago - but only to some. It was conceivable to a visionary new commander in the field and an old U.S. senator named John McCain, who backed the general's plan when that was anything but the popular thing to do."


Past performance is all we have to go on when attempting to evaluate future prospects, and in 2007 those who doubted the success of the surge based on the dismal past performance of our leaders had a lot more reason to doubt than supporters of the surge had to believe in.

For FOUR YEARS prior to the "surge," John McCain repeatedly argued that the Iraq War was a "terribly mismanaged war," which had incurred some 3,000 military deaths. Considering the fact that the U.S. had the same tunnel-visioned commander-in-chief, George W. Bush, who would be calling the shots for the surge as he did for "the terribly mismanaged war," exactly on what basis did Sen. McCain -- and other surge-supporters base their confidence that the surge would "succeed"?

Where was "visionary new commander" David Petraeus while the situation in Iraq was deteriorating almost daily under the command of Donald Rumfeld, the grossly inept Secretary of Defense whom McCain for four years railed repeatedly against and Pres. Bush staunchly stood by until the end, even as casualty tolls mounted and the U.S. was faced with "the consequenes of faiure"?

Truth be told it was the 2006 congressional elections in which the Democrats gained control of Congress which provided the wake up call for Pres. Bush that resulted in the "new strategy" implemented by Gen. Petraeus.

Repeat: In 2007, after four years of failure in Iraq, those who doubted the success of the surge based on the dismal past performance of our leaders had a lot more reason to doubt than supporters of the surge had to believe in.


Hoora democrats
The democrats created the conditions for a new Iraq strategy. GAG.

The Iraqis changed. As some had argued a large force would have appeared to be occupiers. It would take time for the population to come to realize their enemy was not the U.S. but the terrorists. Once this happened the necessary force resources could be committed.

Were the lives lost in Korea not worth South Korea's freedom?

jerabaub
The fact that chaos ensued at the beginning when Bremer created a vacuum actually makes my point.

Saddam held Iran at bay not Maliki. What more than likely would have happened and will happen if Maliki gets a little too chummy with Iran is tribal warfare. Circumstances changed dramatically with the fall of Saddam. He is safe as long as he is still more loyal to Iraq not Iran.

As to his position with regards to Obama I have seen news reports that he agrees with Obama and doesn't agree. It is more political re-election pandering. The ME invented pandering.

If you do not understand political expediency is do not blame me.

Bush obviously understands the ME better than you do. You also have no grasp of the culture and psychology of ME thinking and culture. Also failing to recognize the danger Saddam posed to us and the ME while praising his hatred of Iran is ridiculous and ignorant.

Good News vs.Bad News
If anyone is waiting to read or hear any 'good news' from the ultra-left news media,they will have a long wait.

They have a mission to accomplish and that is to keep telling everyone how bad and dire the war and the economy is.

If Obama is elected,all of a sudden,things will look much, much better here and in the ME.

Like all liberals, the MSM has a visceral hatred of GW Bush and his administration. Anything they can do to make it look bad,they are more than happy to do.

Lolo1
I thought I said Saddam kept Iran at bay.

Your point about Bush undersanding the ME is hilarious.

He understands it so well he never anticipated the horror of sectarian warfare that engulfed Iraq once the brutal but stable Saddam was removed.

Peter Galbraith, former ambassador to Kosovo, claims Bush, while listening to his advisors discussing Iraq(before the invasion)and the issue of Iraqis divided into Shia and Sunni, said: "Wait a minute, I thought Iraqis were Muslims".

Simply incredible.

Obama and Al Malaki agree?
If science said, one day we can find a cure for cancer and one complains that scientists are not being honest by not stating a date certain for finding a cure wouldn't it be concidered stupid?

If science goes along and finds various techniques which are making it certain that cancer can be cured they might then lay out possible timetables.

Obama is riding the wave of the success he predicted could not happen and the media is saying how brilliant he is for having timetables.

Will Obama as president go celebrate Iraqi independence day (if invited) and take credit for America's sacrifice?

jerabaub
Your twisting and spinning is either hilarious or delirious. I said
Bush understands the ME BETTER THAN YOU!!! Not that he understands it enough.

It doesn't matter if Saddam kept the Iran under check since the price we the rest of the world, not to mention his own people, was too high. Get it yet? since they have been developing nuclear weapons secretly for 20 years he hardly kept them in check.

I suggest you go and read McCain's op-ed that NY Crimes refused to print. Even he understands better than you and while I agree with him very little, I think he sees the long term effect and the big picture, unlike you.

I am sick to death of Americans that espouse freedom so long as it doesn't interupt their daily lives. Scrape your bumper stickers off your car...you are devaluing it and they never freed anyone.

Nam65-66
I am with you brother. Sad fact is if all of us did not vote for him, he and the RNC would get the message. And I don't know of another way to show them we are through with RINO’s.

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
~ Thomas Jefferson

http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

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Free Ramos and Compean

CHILD'S FIELD TRIP
Is Barry back from the grade school field trip to the museum?

Allen sayz:
Were the lives lost in Korea not worth South Korea's freedom?

Ask a Vet, they would say yes. Same with Vietnam Vets had it been finished and not ended with the political end it came to. But then that’s what you get for letting the no nutsacks fight any war from DC and the lying media.

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
~ Thomas Jefferson
http://www.patriotsrevolt.com/
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean

Nam65-66
I was in diapers when you were in Nam -- but I agree. Can you imagine, though, with the polls showing the race as they do, how badly BHO would be getting pasted if the GOP had nominated a candidate the base cared about?

OBVIOUS WEAKNESS
Obama and Al Malaki agree:

If Barack "Barry" Hussain bin O'BoyToy (nee: Obama) ordered "Hamberger with cheese!" Al Malaki would have said "Make it two!". That is the nature of politics. Within the Play, though, it is the Aside wherein lies the truth and the loud Aside is about Barack O'Buffoon's glamour and obvious weakness.
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