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Monday, July 14, 2008
Paul Greenberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Problem of Evil
by Paul Greenberg
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LITTLE ROCK - It proved an education not just for his students but for me when Adam Green, associate professor of history at the University of Chicago, brought his class to town for an on-site study of the Little Rock Crisis of 1957.

Central High School in Little Rock, Ark., was the focus of more than a political and constitutional crisis in 1957. It was also a test of conscience. How we see it now still is. And who better to serve as a guide to all the forces that collided here than the son of Ernest Green, one of the original Little Rock Nine who integrated the school?

The students began their colloquium early on a Friday morning here at the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, where they met to hear from five local reporters who had covered the Crisis first-hand.

As one of the students told me as the two-hour seminar was breaking up and the group was headed for Central High, now an official historic site, hearing from those on the scene in '57 was so different from reading about the crisis in the history books. For me, too, I assured her. There's always something new to learn about the old, especially from eyewitnesses.

Each person sees with different eyes, and brings a different set of sensibilities to events. And so does each generation. Which may be why history so often says more about the time in which it was written than the time it purports to describe.

It takes a rare sensibility to transport oneself into the past, and see it as those who lived it did. Giambattista Vico, the early 18th-century philosopher/historiographer, called that rare talent fantasia, or overwhelming, all-absorbing imagination. For it's not easy to avoid the presentness that reduces history to an exercise in current cultural or ideological fashion. Our own time can be a prison, shutting us out of the others.

The most revealing comment of the morning's discussion came from Ernie Dumas, who'd joined the old Arkansas Gazette as a political reporter shortly after 1957. He recalled a conversation with Orval Faubus after the old boy had been elected to his third term as governor in 1958, largely as a result of the popularity he'd reaped from his defiant stand against the federal government the year before.

It seems the triumphant Faubus had taken him aside - along with Roy Reed, a Gazette reporter who years later would write a detailed biography of Faubus - to explain what a really fine, progressive governor he'd been. He'd been the most liberal governor in the South, Orval Faubus told them. Despite the bad press that he and Arkansas were getting (and would continue to get) because of his defense of racial segregation.

To document his claim, this undisputed champion of Arkansas politics (at least till Bill Clinton came along) ran through the litany of social and economic programs he'd supported. Just as he would regularly do every two years and gubernatorial election thereafter. That's when Roy Reed asked him the question that History would then and forever ask: "But what about '57?"

Orval Faubus explained that he was no racist. No serious observer of Arkansas politics ever thought he was; he was much too intelligent for that. No, he was something worse: an opportunist who exploited the racism of others in order to retain political power. He'd done what he'd done, he explained that day, to keep worse types at bay.

Any politician tempted to exploit race will always find such an excuse. Call it the Willie Stark Theory in honor of the hero - well, the protagonist - of "All the King's Men." It can be summed up as: Better to do some evil than invite a greater one.

Or as Willie would put it, good itself is never pure but inseparable from evil, for evil is what good must be made out of. The great leader has to make compromises to further some greater good, like his own precious career. (See the indelible signature of J. William Fulbright on the infamous Southern Manifesto.)

But this rationalization fails the test not only of idealism but practical politics. For we'll never know what would have happened if Orval Faubus had decided to champion the law of the land, not to mention the brotherhood of man, instead of his own indispensability.

Who knows, he might have been able to rally the better angels of our nature and make Arkansas a shining light of racial amity - instead of making Little Rock a worldwide synonym for race hatred. It was a reputation the people of this state and city never deserved. Only now, half a century later, has that image finally faded. It would take a succession of real reformers in the Governor's Mansion, like Winthrop Rockefeller and Mike Huckabee, to remove the stain.

But what's a political leader, or any mortal, to do when faced with a choice between an abstract ideal and real, practical gain? The choice is always so complicated, or appears to be.

Which is the path of wisdom between conflicting counsels? The answer is the same as it has been since Job's time: "And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil, that is understanding."

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Adding to Job.
We all might read Plutarch again, too.

"...to follow God and to obey reason are the same thing.

Others too, have solved the "The Problem of Evil;" we don't read them anymore, either.

Whew!
"Orval Faubus explained that he was no racist. No serious observer of Arkansas politics ever thought he was; he was much too intelligent for that. No, he was something worse: an opportunist who exploited the racism of others in order to retain political power."

Sorta like Obama?

The Problem of Evil
Mr. Greenberg,
Good article, good conclusion. As you may know, THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH also teaches this. See paragraph #1789, which reads in part:

"Some rules apply in every case:
One may never do evil so that good may result from it."
PR

"INDEPENDENCE PARTY VOTERS"
The Republican Party of Abraham Lincoln evolved from obstinacy and stagnation from the Farm Democrats and Whigs of that era. Their trend generation was to keep and uphold the institution of slavery despite the Abolitionist Movement growing in New England and the Mississippi Northwest. From its very inception the Republican Party was in poignant opposition to slavery. Conversely, today the Party Leadership is bogged down in multi-generational identity politics by trying to take up too many seats on the bus resulting in a broken down bus.

The Independence Party would attract those Americans who cherish their personal sense of independence. On any July or August evening along the shoreline of a lake, river, or ocean beach Independence Party People relish the freedom building the biggest bonfire possible and being responsible for the clean up of the swath of nature used making it more pristine then when originally found. In my father’s day we used to clean up looking for the silver dollar and if we found the silver dollar put it someplace else for the next group of campers. We never found the silver dollar but we always left that piece of public space cleaner then found nonetheless.

So let A New Bell of Freedom ring out from this place of public forum so that new voices can be heard above the screams from the leftist left or the dreadful drown from the beehive Washington Buzz.

“”””” WE ARE THE INDEPENDENCE PARTY - WHOSE MEMBERS ARE DEDICATED TO THE MANIFESTATION OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE AND DON’T TREAD ON ME! ”””””

And the man from Hope
"It would take a succession of real reformers in the Governor's Mansion, like Winthrop Rockefeller and Mike Huckabee, to remove the stain."

And, of course, Billy Jeff Clinton. Which suggests that Greenberg has, again, missed the real point -- Arkansas was and remains a haven for slippery political hustlers.

good column
Greenberg is certainly one of the better conservative columnists when he wants to be.

pb-what a tortured comparison. What exactly has Obama done in the name of political expediencey that is even remotely comparable to Faubus defying the law to keep blacks out of the white schools in Little Rock? Are you just trying to make opposition to Obama look deranged?

Opportunism
What do Orval Faubus, Bill Clinton, and Barak Obama have in common?

Political opportunism.

Opportunism in business or in sports is an indication of intelligence or talent and portends impending great success.

Opportunism in politics is an indication of immorality or amorality and portends impending great failure.

Good luck, America, if Barak Obama becomes President Obama.

It should be noted
I think it should be noted, so that Greenberg's interesting column does not get diluted to the more simple minded level of the comments, that Greenberg does not seem to be dismissing out of hand the idea of choosing the lesser of evils, only noting that it is easy to always choose evil in this way.

I remember reading in Bruce Catton's books on the civil war, that after war broke out Lincoln appointed the always interesting John C Fremont as military governor of Missouri. Fremont announced that the slaves of Missouri were now free. Lincoln removed him from office and said "Just kidding." And, of course, the slaves of the border states that stayed with the union were freed last.

This was certainly an act of political expediency on Lincoln's part. He wanted to keep Missouri in the union. But under the circumstances it was a reasonable one.

But hey, given the comments above, maybe we have found another way that Obama is like Lincoln.

Were not all of the slaves

freed with Lincoln's Proclamation of Emancipation? Why would Missouri's slaves be freed at a later time?

Not by the Emancipation Proclamation
No, the Emancipation Proclamation was a military directive that was available to Lincoln only inasmuch as he was acting as commander-in-chief of the armed forces of the United States. It applied only to those areas of the United States in active rebellion against the Federal government. That was its genius, actually. It only applied in areas where it could not be actively enforced, yet it had the (probably forseeable to Lincoln) effect of rendering slavery politically untenable throughout the entire country. Immediately, it made it impossible for foreign governments, specifically Great Britain and France, to recognize the Confederacy as an independent nation.

Eddie too and emancipation
Abraham Lincoln did not free any slaves with his proclamation. Note carefully that he stated (not in so many words)that the slaves who were subject to the Confederate government were freed. Those who were in the states and areas subject to the Federal government were not freed by this proclamation of emancipation (lest their owners rise up against the government).

Great Article!
What a thoughtful exploration.

The world today is populated with essentially good and self-aware people who are primarily interested in self-advancement -- even though advancing their personal goals may in fact be setting the community at large back.

We would do well to learn this lesson and loudly detract all those who would place their personal aspirations beyond the benefit of the community they serve.

In the end, are we not enjoined to support all life at the highest level of consciousness possible?

Faubus-Like Tacts are Alive and Well
I graduated from an small-town eastern Oklahoma high school in 1955. We had no blacks locally but I remember the vitrolic hatred toward the race in absentia. I was declared a “N…. Lover” [a terrible social indictment for a school child] when I came to the defense of the blacks. To maintain social status in the community almost all felt compelled to murmur “me too”. They marched to the segregationists drummer and found shelter through their implicit endorsement of racism. The gut-wrenching, all consuming fear which blacks experienced in their daily lives was surely unspeakable.

I should have done more when I was young to combat racism or other social evils which were endorsed by the masses. I did oppose Vietnam when popular opinion was so overwhelming supportive of the conflict, but afterwards y dissenting nature flagged for too many years. However, when the Current Occupant seized upon the unreasoning fears of the masses to wage war in the Middle East I once again objected…and I was declared unpatriotic at best and a despicable traitor at worse.

Faubus-style tactics remain alive-and-well in America [as they have been in all cultures throughout the ages] and too often the public is a willing accessory to the crime.

Jim-Too

Getting conservatism sooooo wrong
Mr. Greenberg gets conservatism sooo wrong; I can't believe he really is a conservative. He condemns Gov. Faubus' condduct, and would seem, logically enough, to support the forced integration of Little Rock's public schools. No real conservative back int those days agreed with this power play by the federal government. The Constitution gives no power whatever for the federal government to intervene in the interests of integration. As a liberal, I have no problem in saying that federal efforts at desegregation, indeed, all the pro-civil rights federal court decisions, and the various civil rights laws are, by conservative criteria, simply violations of the US Constitution. I think they were the morally right things for the federal government to have done, but there were still unconstitutional.

Real conservatives, such as those Southerners like Faubus, Jesse Helms, and pretty much the whole conservative intellectual establishment in the 1950s/60s (the "National Review" and "Human Events" writers) were absolutely correct from a conservative standpoint in opposing all of these things. Today's conservatives should learn from them and continue the fight. It's the morally wrong fight, but it should be the conservative fight, to restore the Constitution and eliminate all those pro-black laws and policies we liberals brought into existence.

INDEPENDENCE PARTY MEMBER RESPONSE:
In 1957 I was a confused white kid but for the Junior Senator from Illinois to infer me a racist is an aggregate insult worthy of my deepest contempt.

Mention is needed of the pongent painting by Norman Rockwell of the little girl going to school. That wonderful piece of art tells everything needed to know about Little Rock 1957.

Many people are confused about who was the Chief Executive that nationalized and ordered the Army National Guard into Arkansas to uphold the national will on equal justice.

It was Dwight D. Eisenhower, the General and one of the great American Presidents.

The INDEPENDENCE PARTY MEMBER RESPONSE is to never - I mean never - interfere with freedom!

Gestell #2
contends that nothing "whatsoever" in the Constitution gave he federal government the right to intervene in the Little Rock school integration controversy. Type "wiki Brown Topeka" to see the Supreme Courts unanimous [1953] decision [9-1] which held that such "separate but equal" schools were inherently unconstitutional!!! The elected congress has without fail reinforced that concept through their enactments over the past 50 years. Gestell is not only extremely heartless [he urges the repeal of all laws which favor to blacks] but [if he subscribes to our system of laws] he's wrong in his arguments. If there is a Hell surely Faubus, Helms, and like-minded "conservatives" from the Little Rock era will burn for an eternity.

Jim-Too

Higene #5
I have enjoyed visiting Townhall for some time. Like many people I'm drawn by erudite expression of ideas and opinions that clarify, or sometimes oppose, my own in interesting ways. I rarely feel any desire to add my own voice because, invariably, someone else says my piece fairly well.

I also stop by to be amused and entertained by the trolls, those comedians of discourse whose gift is to say nothing at great length, and often, in order to tick everyone else off. Sometimes one or another will set off some fairly good debate. Not, of course, with the troll, but among legitimate commenters.

Higene is neither entertaining or interesting, though I grant he is mildly amusing. His espousal of a failed philosophy is reflective of spoiled and bitter children rebelling against rules. This nihilism is usually rejected by grown-ups because it's tiresome to wake up every morning in a universe centered on oneself where nothing else is of any importance nor has any transcendent meaning. Slouching toward oblivion in hope of the occasional hormonal high to punctuate an apparently meaningless existence is hardly a life designed to appeal to the rest of us.

The Islamic world considers itself the only legitimate world. Like nihilism it's a failed philosophy. Unlike nihilism, it can rouse itself to passionate frenzy. In its purest form it is extremely focused, murderous, and evil. Nihilism is merely amusing.

I'd rather be in Alaska
Why only mention Democrats? Do you believe that evil only resides with them. Conservatives are perfectly good?

bible sayings
as long as were quoting the bible as if it were the gospel tuth didnt it say something about sorceress es and death. why believe one and not the other.

Higene 12:54
Both “troll” and “nihilism” are well and succinctly defined inWikipedia. If you care to look them up you'll find the person who previously posted in your name made statements that fall comfortably within the latter that are non-contributory and snarky enough to satisfy the former.

As for “evil”. Islam is free to isolate itself from the influences of the west and still sell us oil if it wishes. Nations do, you know. Few however, barring massive internal upheavals, indiscriminately murder and maim each other as well as the other. They're not defending a damned thing, they're forcing it down the throats of others. Further, neither Christianity nor Judaism preach murder rather than persuasion. What men do with religion has little to do with the religion itself. We have it within us to pervert anything. Islam, however, specifically calls for murder or enslavement. Again, feel free to look it up. The Koran is also available on line, with or without commentary.

I will happily stipulate that the meaning of words is in the mind, eye, ear, nose, or throat of the hearer or whoever, and, further, that all indications are that you and I have a different linguistic heritage. You seem literate enough to know all this and have apparently already rejected it.

With those bored and tired kicks I declare this horse dead. Good night and Godspeed.

Honor and Integrity Truth and Veracity
Higene
Location: CA Reply # 13
Date: Jul 14, 2008 - 3:28 PM EST
Good vs Evil is a religious distinction

A Spice Response
Socrates said, "There is but one good and one evil: that good is knowledge, that evil is ignorance." Now that is not a religious distinction, it is political, principled and ecclesiastical as well. This truth is self-evident, universal, and timeless.

"If it is good for the goose, it has got to be good for the gander."

I remember that a member of my church, who stole some coal form the company he worked for. Fortunately he was caught. He was brought to the police station and charged with theft. while he was waiting they offered a cup of coffee and a smoke. He declined both and said it was against his religion.

It is apparent that we can hide personal intent, and motive as well as the values and standards that we live by. This is where all the conflict and evil originate. Evil is anything that is dishonest harmful or done with ill intent, or to break a law, causing abuse to, or exploiting others because of their weaknesses.

"A double minded man is unstable in all his ways."

(New Testament | James 2:10)
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

When we all do good, live by knowledge of the truth and avoid acting our of ignorance or ill will it is best for us all, and if we do not do this, we are causing harm to everyone including ourselves.

“When we fail to tame and train our nature it is impossible to determine our future.”

reply to jim
Come on, now! A conservative who agrees with the liberal concept that the Constitution is what the Supreme Court says it is? The horror, the horror. Many conservatives argued, when the Court decided Brown v. Board of Education, that (1) the Court had no authority in the area of education because the Constitution does not give the federal government any authority in this area; and (2) that the decision was both morally and politically incorrect. There are conservatives--some of them post on TH--who routinely say this today.

Maybe you're one of the those conservatives who has imbibed liberal PC koolaid on the subject of civil rights. My contention is that, properly interpreted, in the manner of conservative originalism, the Constitution does not in fact provide any of the protections or benefits blacks have received from civil rights laws and a host of court decisions.

As a liberal, I am content with the position that the civil rights laws and court decisions that have benefitted blacks are at the very least extra-constitutional, if not plain unconstitutional on their collective face. these rulings and laws are morally right and should have been made, but that doesn't make them constitutional.

I'm asking people to hink outside the box: there are lots of things that are morally right that cannot be found in the Constitution. The infamous Dred Scott decision got the Constitutional issue right, but it was morally abhorrent.

reply to Higene
It's no big deal to recognize that we've "demonized" various enemies of this country in the past. That's what people do. Everybody. Every country that has ever waged war 'constructs' (as we academics put it) some awful image of the other side. I don't get too upset about this, and suggest that you not get too upset either. Consider how TH conservative readers demonize liberals, and liberals like me will repay them in kind. It's the way of the world.
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