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Wednesday, June 18, 2008
Paul Greenberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
Apologia Pro Redneck, or: In Defense of a Word - and a People
by Paul Greenberg
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This time it's a duly certified, establishment-vetted, card-carrying member of the Mainstream Media who's been caught, tried and convicted by the always watchful PC Police. This time it was no Howard Stern or Don Imus, or even a football coach lettin' 'er rip at a press conference. This time it was NBC's own, always respectable if not downright pedestrian Andrea Mitchell, aka Mrs. Alan Greenspan. Goodness. What did she do? It seems the lady went and referred to an area of southwestern Virginia as "redneck, sort of bordering-on-Appalachia country."

Ooh-wee! The linguistically delicate of southwestern Virginia are still squealing. These easily offended types must be crying in their martinis - because the folks who prefer Schlitz couldn't care less. The real rednecks in southwestern Virginia must be wondering what all the fuss is about.

It happened when Ms. Mitchell was using her cultivated nasal tones to describe footage of a campaign stop by the Democratic presidential nominee presumptive and a former governor of Virginia in lovely Bristol, Va. And this is what she dared say:

"Interesting images today Š Barack Obama, Mark Warner in southwest Virginia. This is real redneck, sort of bordering-on-Appalachia countryŠ."

You'd have thought she said Those Dumb Crackers. All overly sensitive heck broke loose on the poor woman.

The speech cops swooped down on her in an instant. How dare she use the R-word? The local paper got all uppity. To quote the Bristol Herald Courier: "To correct Mitchell, Bristol doesn't border "Appalachia" country.' It is part of the Appalachian Mountain region. While the region faces challenges, it doesn't deserve to be the butt of jokes."

The butt of jokes? The use of "redneck" when referring to what was once known as the Southern yeomanry is now a joke - and one in bad taste at that? The rednecks in these parts, and probably everywhere, tend to 'ppreciate redneck jokes. ("You might be a redneck if you're stopped by a state trooper, he asks if you have an I.D., and you say, 'Bout what?' " -Foxworthy, J.)

So what term are we enlightened. reconstructed, re-educated Americans of the thoroughly thought-reformed 21st century supposed to use instead of "redneck" - working-class white? That's not English, it's sociologese. Redneck is a brief, vivid descriptive phrase for an American type we all know. Once upon a time, brief, vivid description was what good journalism was about. Naturally the term now has been declared verboten.

Andrea Mitchell, on her way to the stocks, was quick to apologize for speaking plain, the ultimate sin in our denatured times:

"I owe an apology to the good people of Bristol, Va., for something stupid that I said last week. I was trying to explain based on reporting from Democratic strategists why Barack Obama was campaigning in southwest Virginia. But without attribution or explanation, I used a term strategists often use to demean an entire community."

What's the world coming to? Here we have political strategists talking plain and reporters using mushspeak. The world's done turned upside down.

Sure, some words should be off-limits, and everybody knows which ones they are. That is, everybody who had a mama who threatened to wash his mouth out with soap if he ever used that word again. But "redneck"? What next? Will we be forced to say "the Y-word" when we mean Yankee?

Every time a perfectly good American word is lost, we are all deprived. And the cumulative effect is a life-destroying erosion of the language, which is sapped of its power, vitality and variety. Redneck an insult? Rednecks would only laugh at the idea - because rednecks are proud of who they are. That's why they can afford a sense of humor. In a world of anemic, self-censored, pre-washed, so-called commentary, their pride is refreshing.

Who are these rednecks anyway? One inadequate definition would be to say they're the descendants of the Scots-Irish who pushed the American frontier across first the Appalachians and then ever westward, spreading as far north as the hills of Pennsylvania and as far south and west as wide-open Texas, leaving their manners, speech and customs an indelible if often unremarked part of the American character.

Oh, yes, rednecks are also fighters. Which means that, ignored and snubbed in times of peace, or just patronized by those who think their very name an insult, they are always called on when the country's in real trouble. To this day, they are part of the backbone of the United States military. They are, in short, people to tie to. They will stand their ground, as America's enemies have discovered since 1776 and long before. They need no one to come to their defense, let alone shield them from their honest name. Yes, they can be touchy, but only about matters of honor.

Rednecks embrace simplicity as a welcome change from the kind of fraudulent sophistication you can hear at a click of the channel on television or on National Platitudinous Radio. But that doesn't make them simple. Quite the opposite. Their code is as involved as any Bedouin's, and maybe more so than the Southern gentleman's. Indeed, the two - gentleman and redneck - are part of the Southern whole, complementing and competing with each other, each half-envying, half-pitying the other but aware they share an indissoluble bond that involves the land, the language and whatever is the essence of what the South is, or was. Both may now be endangered species, united by what they are not: false.

Those who object to the name redneck, if not the species itself, might as well take offense at Arkie or Okie or black or Creole. Hasn't the Southern language lost enough distinctive words, and therefore distinctive thought, to the bowdlerizers, the euphemizers and sanitizers who would leave the treasure of the Southern tongue as barren and burned-over as the once green acres Sherman ravaged on his march to the sea? Enough verbicide. The toll has already been too heavy. Let's not lose a word that sums up a whole ethos.

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Ratas y Ratones
So,you one a dem rednecks,too? Pleased to meetcha.
Did you read my post to you the other day about your rats and mice sign-off? (Serious)

Pls don bi offen...


Ah due hop nun a'yu, non injuns tak affense at the werd. scraw ya. ah kin poke fun at msef if ah want.

ah'm et leest 1/16 injun, an mebe closer to 1/8 injun.

mah femly ain't never bin racist.

heck one ov em married out'a da quaker commune.

sew thar smok on dat.


Rowly :-)
Rowly
Location: GA

Reply # 47
Date: Jun 18, 2008 - 12:35 PM EST A Real Redneck
Andrea Mitchell offends me every time she speaks.The nasal sound grates on my nerves,but what she says is really offensive.

She is another NBC political,left-wing hack who never saw a liberal she didn't like.If she looks down on us it makes us just look better.

Hit don' make me no nevermind if Miz Mitchell calls me one a dem "rednecks",cause I are one.

~~~

rowly, you hick !

dang yer hide ! My foke came to injunanner frum cariliner in da 1820's to injunaner.

thay wuz kicked outa quaker , fer marryin out.

mah grate granmuther was first non injun born in tipton county, injunana in 1834.

sevral of mah foke married injuns, cause thay wuz only wimin around.

other foke came frum germany, yup, werked fer the brits as mercenaries.

thay got hear in abut 1810, had fokes on bofe sades of rev war. (oslo da cibil war, or as we like to say, the war agin da soth)

PROUD HOOSIER REDNECK here!

......
Karl Malone, the former star player for the Utah Jazz, referred to himself as a black redneck.

I'd rather be a redneck than a latte sipping bedwetting leftist pansy.

Rowly
well a "suspended" campaign is a campaign nonetheless; I don't trust her and believe that should Oblahma win she'll have her beak in there somewhere. No way is she going to display the dignity of a defeated candidate and simply bow out, knowing her time is up...

AliveInHim
It will be fun in August,but not as much as it would have been.I will miss Hillary. I was hoping she would get it stirred up. She still may have something planned.

It does not matter
Oh well, I am a South Texas redneck. And proud of it! Love my guns, my Dodge 4x4, and "specially my kin. Lots of us all over this great land. Excuse me now, I have to go check on the hog I shot, its drying in the smokehouse! Y"all come down for a beer!

Rowly
no I live in Grand Junction. But I did live in Aurora, then Arvada for a couple of years when I was little! Can't compare with here, though I swear Denver thinks we're still fighting aborigines sometimes...which is fine; they leave us alone for the most part. Won't it be interesting in August over there...? ;)

It's Funny....
...when I hear someone call someone a "redneck", thinking they are offending them. It's amusing to us Rednecks. We aren't hypersensitive and could care less. It's a honor as the article described so well.

AliveInHim
You have a busy life.There are some posts I always read,like yours.Some make me mad,so I skip them. Nice to meet you,also. Are you near Aurora?

On being "offended"
For all of the hullabaloo about "free speech" whole segments of our population now seem to walk around with the "I'm offended" chip on their shoulders. Meanwhile so-called rock stars and others can "sing" obscenities to our kids and it is protected "free speech." Then there are all of the political no-nos. Don't dare even say Obama's middle name,for example, nor mention any number of other words which now constitute "hate speech" or "racism", and so on. Sickening. I have been called a "hillbilly" (along with some other names), and so what. I'm proud of to be one.

Rowly
nice to finally meet you. I can't always follow thru on discussions, being a busy homemaker, p/t student and p/t employee. But I enjoy reading the posts and responding where and when I can. It's all about everyone meeting new folks and speaking his piece and I appreciate it too when I get positive response.

Love my kitties but I can't wait to get my DH a dog when we can have one.

All
Time to sign off for another day. Ya'll be good and have a good night.

AliveInHim
I don't hunt,but my sons do.They were and are into sports.When your children are,then you must be,also.

I started posting a few months ago.I am retired and have time and I absolutely love it.I spend time on the computer when I should be doing other things.

I have several fish in an aquarium and a small koi pond in my back yard.I had a cat that got hit by a car and I don't have any pets,now.

I have a friend who lives in Aurora.We workrd together in Augusta.She retired and moved there.

Rowly
I'm sorry to say I don't really follow sports, much less collegiate sports. I'm glad our guys are doing better, but I'm under no illusions as to their getting to the WS.

As to being redneck, I absolutely espouse the values of same, though I live in a suburban home and have no interest in shooting and hunting as my husband and sons do.

This thread has been fun to play on, though; I get those "redneck photos" all the time in my inbox and they are just hilarious!

We have two cats. :P Someday a dog, when we have a proper place for one!

AliveInHim
Oh,I thought you meant the REAL Dawgs.The Georgia Bulldogs! Down here if you can't run with the BIG DAWGS,stay under the porch ....

I don't actually have a dog,but I have in the past. Bird dogs.My folks are hunters.

The Braves are not doing so good now.6 games out. Half the team is out,hurt.

It does not embarass me,being a redneck.My brother even calls me a 'radical redneck'.

GW
I just checked that book out and it looks interesting. I'll have to find a copy as our local library doesn't have it.

Rowly
I meant the dawgs unner da porch...an' if ya got 'em on da bed an' sofa too, wal, hope they're good too!

Now I am totally embarrassed-but it's fun bein' a redneck!

Our Rockies are finally winning a few..!!

Don, Rowly, Vic, et al....
...another great book is "How the Scots Invented the Modern World".

...check it out...a great read...

Your Most Obedient, etc.

George Washington

Don, Rowly, Vic, et al....
...another great book is "How the Scots Invented the Modern World".

...check it out...a great read...

Your Most Obedient, etc.

George Washington

GW
Good luck and pray you don't have to spend the Winter there. I spent a winter there and it was miserable.

Don
My nephew and his family transferred to Kingsport last fall.He works for Eastman.He had worked for Eli Lily in Lafayette,In. and got a better offer nearer home.

george washington
I am near Augusta.About ten mles south in the good old country.I was in Augusta for several years.Things were changing.I bought out here and have loved it.Good neighbors,etc.

Augusta,home of the Masters (not much else). Unemployment is low,unlike other places. Richmond is a mostly Democrat county,what can I say? Columbia Co.,next door is Republican.

My son still lives in Marietta. He and his wife are vacationing in Orlando. This is the third week. I envy them. I have to stay here and keep watering on days I am allowed.

I grew up in a small town,Kite, in Johnson County home of Herschel Walker.Remember him? A college football standout.Kite is a small town between Swainsboro and Wrightsville.

I hope and pray something will wake people up before it is too late. It may be our last chance.

Hang on in the Windy City.I went there once. Coldest I have ever been in my life. Ate in a little place across from the Tribune.

Thanks for your interest....Rowly

Vic...
Congratulations to you sir on your now being retarded, er, I mean, retired!

Nice chatting with you guys, hold down the fort there in the South until I can escape the land of hockey and get back down there in November (I'm working in Chicago for seven months).

Now off to leave my big Corvette-fueled carbon footprint on the Midwest.

Your Most Humble, etc.

George Washington

Rednecks
If you have not read James Webb's book, "Born Fighting," you should. I regret and deplore that he has changed parties, but it is very informative and enlightening book. The country should thank God for the Scots-Irish.
I live in Kingsport, Tn. only 20 miles from Bristol.
By the way "Redneck" was used to refer to the Presbyterians who lived in southern Scotland near the English border. They were reported to have worn red scarves.
I would take a Redneck (U.S. type) over a Parlor Pink any time.
If you are not familiar with "Parlor Pinks," I have something about them on my web page:
http://balesblogsite.blogspot.com
Donald W. Bales

Rowly, how's it...
...going back home?

I grew up in Atlanta, spent my summers on the family farm in Tifton, and live in Ponte Vedre Beach, Florida now.

I'm working in Chicago for seven months, and I sure do miss pine trees, dirt roads, driver waving at you when you pass each other on the roads, and, most of all, those beautiful GRITS (girls raised in the South).

These people up here are nuts, Rowly. They thing this Obama guy is the Second Coming. The older guys still think that Obama and their Union is going to show those big corporations a thing or two, oblivious to the fact that heavy manufacturing is dead in this country, courtesy of those very unions. The youngsters are clueless. One pretty young lady in maybe her mid-twenties explained to me that she was very conservative in her political views and that that was why she was supporting Obama.

God help us Rowly.

Your Most Humble, etc.

George Washington

P.S. What part of the state are you in?

JOe Oliva
I was 15 years old before I learned that Damn wasn't the first name of Mr. Yankee.

We also used to like to laugh at the ones driving South on 441 headed for Florida in the spring just a'clickin' away with their now illegal studded snow tires.

THE DEFINITION OF A REDNECK !!
Someone who works very hard in the fields growing crops.....hence....they have a Redneck...

If you want to know what a Redneck Woman is then you will have to look at the link below...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L30V5vnYHzk

rlaTexas
You are correct about Northern Virginia. It is populated with mostly people from the North who come to work for the Government or make their living off of the government by operating consulting businesses or have contracts with the government. It is not a friendly place. The attitudes their are spreading more widley through the state, sad to say.

A long time ago,
I had the chance to live in Lubbock, Texas, the same place that produced happiness for Buddy Holly when he saw it in his rear view mirror.

My soon to be landlord, a die-hard southern Baptist, asked me upon our first meeting if I knew the difference between a Yankee and a damn Yankee. I learned that Yankees go home but damn Yankees stay. I wasn't offended and we became good friends.

There is simply too much of this "I am offended" stuff. As rightly noted by some of you, that attitude is perpetrated by the liberal agenda that looks to make everything the same so that no one suffers for being different.

It seems to me to be in opposition to their cultural diversity theme about embracing differences until I remembered that differences are OK, but white males don't get to be white males without ridicule. Maybe Ms. Mitchell didn't want to be seen as being down on white males, who knows.

Next thing, you'll see a picture of her in a bar drinking beer and doing shots. Oh wait, she's not running for office. Scratch that idea.


george washington
Hey...I liked it better when it said' Your Obedient Servant' !!!

What a switch!
Was I surprised! Usually when I see or hear the word "Redneck", it is associated with other more descriptive adjectives such as "snaggle-toothed", "in-bred", "knuckle-dragging", etc. As a result, most of us Southerners who acknowledge our unsophisticated, traditional actions and opinions are used to being berated as "Rednecks", so I was truly surprised to read Mr. Greenberg's rather complimentary descriptions of us. Thanks, Mr. Greenberg! An occasional tip of the hat is always welcomed.

Virginia --
that state is a weird place. I've been told that northern VA (DC area) is NOTHING like southern VA. But as folks take the big city further south and west, the yankee-types go futher afield also. I am Texan (best state in the Union) and have always gotten help when needed - even in (gasp) Austin (just raise your hood or get out that jack and wait a minute! Even if you're perfectly capable of checking your own oil, thank you!). In Fairfax, N VA, not a bit of help to be found!! It was amazing.

So - long story longer - maybe the folks at the newspaper in Bristol are big city folk that got offended by the "fellow Yankee" thinking they were like those oddball natives out there in the hills. Just another possible interpretaion... have a great day, ya'll!

Rowly, Vic...
I didn't get a chance to give you the punchline...

What does a University of Georgia graduate call a Georgia Tech graduate after graduation?

Answer: "Boss"

Your Obedient Servant,

George Washington

It's time to stop apologizing...
Andrea should have told the media PC cops to pound sand.

GW
My youngest brother got his phD from GT a while back. It is interesting when we have a get-together and all the brothers are rooting for the Dawgs except him.

I would laugh at your joke, but while my brother is drudging off to work every day I am retired. hahahhah, best job I ever had.

george washington
My oldest son attended Southern Tech in the early eighties. He is an architectural engineer.

I always noticed your sign-off. Now I know where you got it.

A redneck joke for you:
You might be a redneck if: You think A terminal illness is getting sick at the airport.


Your humble redneck,
Rowly

Rowly...Vic....
Sad to say, them dadgum Dawgs have whupped my beloved Yellow Jackets for five years running in football.

It would suit me just fine if the University of Georgia loses every single football game it plays from now until the end of time.

Just playing around, of course....

Furman Bisher wrote a book about the Tech-Georgia football rivalry entitled "Good Clean Old-Fashioned Hate".

Here's a Tech-Georgia joke for you...

What does a Univesity of Georgia graduate call a Georgia Tech graduate after graduation?

Your Obedient Servant,

George Washington


redneck
i am proud of being a redneck an know that the south will rise again(thats if obama and a series of democratic laws take place). southern people r a tough people an arent going to take a liberal bashing forever. none of these liberals have ever been to the real south an just cause we talk funny or like to hunt that we are dumb inhumane people. the south is a culture unlike anyother one in the world. to me the south gets a bad rap not just in the us but around the world. im in brazil now and people i met just started making fun of the south after they heard i was from sc.the liberal bias media has such a influence that people are amazed when they find out i hate obama. people truly belive that all the american people believe the same things that assholes like keith olberman and michael moore do. i go to english courses here and i look at the different reading material the read so they can learn and its all liberal books and magazines that are totaly bias and glorify liberals like michael moore. sorry for getting off topic but i could write a book on the reasons i cant stand liberals. the south will rise again obama, watch out!

Solid people--
Being from Texas I have been called Redneck and I say "thank you".
A few years ago, one of our family had bought some land in rural Western Missouri. My wife and me went there to look at it. On a rural road we had a flat tire during the hot part of the day. No more than we had opened the trunk to get the spare and tools out, a pick up truck with three very large farm boys stopped and said "y'all need some help, it's hot. As they were helping us, another "good ole boy" stopped and and got out to see what he could do.
When it was all done, we visited for a while about Texas, Missouri, athletics, etc. I offered them money for their help, but they all said "no way, all us Rednecks like to work hard and help one another". His exact words...

I told my wife, "there goes some good folks, and may there be those kind of Rednecks forever." Yes, there are many good folks like that here in Texas too. And no I am not Scottish, but do have several proud Scottish Redneck American friends.

george washington
AliveInHim did not ask How 'bout the dawgs? she asked How'z the Dawgs?

I was just giving back the REAL grammar.ergo,How'z THEM Dawgs?

I really did know it's 'How 'bout them Dawgs?'

Shame on you for hating the Dawgs,ya'll beat up on them for years. You should have a little humility....I know you wouldn't lie about it,though,being who you are.


In South Jersey...
--
...we call 'em "Pineys."

Originally a derogatory term (bear in mind that Vineland Training School eugenicist Henry H. Goddard drew his subjects for *The Kallikak Family: A Study in the Heredity of Feeble-Mindedness* [1912] from the Piney community), the word has more recently been adopted as an in-your-face distinction among working-class Whites living in and around the 1.1 million acre region of farms, forests, bogs and rivers that most folk in foreign lands -

- like North Jersey -

- can't believe exists in the most densely populated state in the Union.

I've been making house calls in the Barrens since before I got out of med school, running clinics for migrant farmworkers at their quarters a las fincas (if you want a guy to take his meds on time every day, talk to the cook, who will practically force-feed 'em to the patient if he has to), and generally getting sugar sand in my shoes.

As a third-generation Sicilian-American, I'm not *officially* a Piney. Different community, quite insular, but still involved. But we've always gotten along.

As far as Italians are concerned, those of us whose grandparents came from around Palermo or Syracusa or Gela are the European equivalent of Rednecks, and there's a call of commonality with the Piney folk that strengthens the connection.

--

Rowly, Vic...
First, I hate to correct you Rowly but it is actually "how 'bout them Dawgs".

Vic, I happen to know this because I hate the University of Georgia Bulldogs more than any other collective entity on the entire planet.

...and you seemed like such a nice guy, Vic...

Your Most Humble, etc.

George Washington
B.S.Mechanical Engineering (1974)
M.S. Management (1984)
Georgia Institue of Technology

Thisis the year for the Dawgs.
Will be going to number 1.

BTW, I really get the looks when I go down to the local watering hole and root for GA during the GA-SC Game.

AliveInHim
It's How'z THEM Dawgs? And they are real-l-l good. Baseball team is really kickin',this week!!! Thank you for noticin'....

Redneck
It's great seeing a liberal being taken to task (sort of) for saying something offensive even though what Mitchell said wasn't. Liberals seem to get a pass whenever they do say something that is offensive though if a conservative said the same thing the left would be after their head. I doubt, though, that much will come from what Mitchell said. Because she is a liberal the left will do as they always do and shrug their shoulders and just decide she didn't really mean it. According to the left, only conservatives say offensive things and really mean it. But then, liberals are idiots. And yes, I meant that to be offensive.

Hey Y'All...
Those of you citing the Scots/Irish origins of "Cracker" are dead-on.

'Craic' (pronounced "krak") is Gaelic and essentially means "an expansive story-telling" - 'expansive' meaning bragging, boasting or just wildly far-fetched.

It's a part of the culture that survived the boat-trip over, and (in my humble opinion) no marathon-group-drinking event would be complete without it.

The Folk settled all through Appalachia (looked like home) and their penchant for storytelling remained legend (those craic-ers).

A song by Andy Stewart (Take Her In Your Arms) leapt immediately to mind when I saw the question come up - here's the applicable verse (w/some perenthetical definitions thrown in):
.

"Here's a pub with fun and laughter
The landlord's buying bevy (drinks for the group)
There's a session (music)in the corner
And the craic (storytelling)is grand tonight"


Just my bit - don't get to contribute to these too often, so thanks to whoever brought this up.

- MuscleDaddy

Hey Rowly
How'z the dawgs? :)

white trash
"White trash," or "po' white trash" were white people who were not successful in making a living. Slaves, particularly the house servants, on plantations looked down on them.
(Read "Gone with the Wind.")

"White trash" have been supplanted by "trailer trash."

A Real Redneck
Andrea Mitchell offends me every time she speaks.The nasal sound grates on my nerves,but what she says is really offensive.

She is another NBC political,left-wing hack who never saw a liberal she didn't like.If she looks down on us it makes us just look better.

Hit don' make me no nevermind if Miz Mitchell calls me one a dem "rednecks",cause I are one.

Hiya Vic!
I have read Civil War historians who cited "crackers" as Georgia and Florida men who handled mules and other draft animals particularly well and who were called by the name as a result of their adept use of the whip.

I must say that I don't know the truth of what I have read, but it makes a good story.

Selah...

Your Obedient Servant,

George Washington

(An educated South Georgia redneck)

But then again...
I think it mostly just stems from people being tired of put down and ridiculed. After all, we rednecks are the only group of people left that can't sue you out of business or cost you your job if you insult us. It's mostly a non-issue, and not many would take it seriously even if it was, but what do you expect when we're always on the short end of the stick of a rediculous double standard?

I think all of it rediculous, and it's past time Americans stopped being so danged thin skinned. ALL of us.

Origins
The term redneck came from three separate places, with ther earliest being from Scotland. None came from "eating grits", which I hope was tounge-in-cheek.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_did_the_name_'redneck'_come _from

The term "cracker" originated in Britain and referred to braggarts, which the English complained the scots-irish in the SE were.

"Redneck" is a non-issue
On the other hand, I see the term "white trash" (the direct equivalent of the dreaded "N" word) on a frequent basis.

The difference being...?

Lon...
In the final analysis, one can only be offended if one allows oneself to be offended.

Selah...

Your Most Obedient, etc.

George Washington

P.S. Anybody out there know the origin of the term "cracker" for Georgians and Floridians?

george washington
You mean all of the self-proclaimed rednecks who are claiming to have been offended by the use of the term by Mitchell are lying?

You could be right. There are clearly terms that even when the speaker means it to be insulting, the recipient can hardly find it so. I was once called a honky on a subway in Chicago. Clearly it was meant to be a biting insult, but it was hard not to think that I was meeting a character two decades late for the Jeffersons. (As it turns out it was just a guy who had had a fight with his girlfriend and so was looking to take his anger out on anyone).

But it appears that there are people here and in Bristol, VA who would have no problem laughing at a southerner making redneck jokes but are offended when an effete northerner like Mitchell characterizes them in that way.

Oddly it seems to be the "We don't get offended by comments like that" who seem to be making the political point.

JOESOLIS
Glad to have you on board, Joe. Thanks for the post.

Andrea can't say redneck....
...and we can't say Obama has purple lips. The world is not color-blind only color-impaired.

Redneck...?
It was my politics, faith and love of guns that led some southern friends of mine to dub me the worlds only mexican redneck.

I was never prouder!

I think
the redneck gingerbread house (graham crackers put together to make a trailer house) is just a scream...and while we're at it, George Washington-sure, we'd love to be enlightened about the origins of that descriptive word "cracker"!

GEORGE WASHINGTON
My understanding about 'Cracker' is that it is a Celtic term meaning to talk boastfully, hence Scots-Irish Southerners became known as Crackers.
What info do you have on the origin of the term? I would appreciate any info and references, since I am a student of Southern culture and history.
Thanks,
JimP

SHRINQUE
I realized after my post that what we were doing too, in part, was hoisting a self styled, 'open minded', confessed 'liberal' on her own petard. I am proud to be a Redneck and wouldn't ever want to be anything else.

This is one Southerner . . .
. . . of Scottish descent who was offended by Mrs. Mitchell Greenspan's use of "redneck," because, like nophonz and JimP above, I (I believe rightly) assumed that she meant it to be derisive and was flippant when she said it. And I love it when some snotty, Northeastern Megalopolis-bred leftist media type like Mrs. Greenspan gets her comeuppance for her obvious bigotry.

Nonetheless, I agree with what Mr. Greenberg is saying in the essay about the destruction of language.


Anyone who...
...is interested in the meaning of the word redneck need only refer to n2win's 10:12 post.

Absolutely perfect, sir.

Your Obedient Servant,

George Washington

(South Georgia redneck)


Lon...
...I'd Rather be in Alaska has hit the nail directly upon the head.

"Redneck" may be used as a derisive term by those who hold them in contempt, but any real redneck is d***** thankful that he or she was lucky enough to be born in the South and to be immersed in the "redneck" culture, in all that that entails, virtually all of which would undoubtedly be lost on many persons such as yourself.

Your Most Humble and Obedient Servant,

George Washington

What's the real answer (Nancibelle)
Nancibelle where in the WORLD did you find that whole rednecks are caused by eating grits??
Personally, I (being born and raised in AL)welcome the term Redneck being applied to me depending on the context and intent inwhich the term is being employed. I think Jeff Foxworthy is funny simply because his material hits the mark about who we are. Simple does NOT mean unintelligent just as kindness doesn't mean weak. People all too often make the mistake of thinking that very thing. My neck is physically red and somewhat leathery from working in the southern sun. I say yes Ma'am and no Sir even though I'm in my mid fourties. I look a person in the eye when I give them a firm handshake. I started shaking women's hands in my twenties instead of hugging them when it was pointed out to me by a non-southerner that I was committing sexual harrassment. I thought I was just being nice. If I make a promise to someone, I don't need a lengthy, wordy contract to make good on it. Being a redneck I put heavy stock in words like, Honor, Respect, Self reliance, Honesty and integrity. Many others (I won't point fingers) use these words as punchlines.

My dear Nancibelle...
...you are unfortunately mistaken.

"Redneck" indeed originally referred to the unmistakable skin tone of the yeoman farmer. Any connotation related to corn ingestion and related rashes are misappellations developed later by the truly uninformed.

Of course, the term later evolved to mean "unsophisticated", as well.

As a native Georgian, I wonder if anyone out there knows why Georgians and North Floridians are sometimes called "crackers"?

...just a little useless trivia for our entertainment...

Your Obedient Servant,

George Washington

Offended by the term "redneck"
"If yer offended by the term redneck --- you ain't one."

odd column
Greenberg's point seems to be that people from Appalachia don't object to being called rednecks by people like Mitchell. But the only evidence he sites is from the local newspaper which did object to Mitchell using the term. In fact she apparently got enough complaints that she was compelled to apologize for it.

The fact that Foxworthy has become a millionaire telling redneck jokes is about as relevant as people claiming that it is ok for white people to use the n-word because rap artists do.

And the word Yankee is not comparable since we won the war. And that makes all of the difference in the world. The only place it is offensive to call someone a Yankee is in Boston, and that is a different matter altogether.

Go get 'em Yankee Paul
Wow, hurt feelings---I never liked walking on egg shells much.

The real story
Redneck refers to the rash southerners got on their necks caused by the use of corn they used to eat so much of, as in grits. There was little food value to this product and when eating a lot of it a rash appeared. It has nothing to do with working outside and getting sunburn and/or a term for an unintelligent/rough person.

THE ISSUE
Mr. Greenberg- We Rednecks do not object to being called this per se and I am sure you know this. It is the intent/attitude of the speaker that matters. Yankees/elitists use it as a disparaging term, hence the reaction by the Bristol newspaper et al. The disparagement is that we Rednecks are considered ignorant, uneducated, bigoted and easily lead and I am sure you know this too. At best Ms. Mitchell's use of the term was condescending. At worst it was bigotry. The reaction to her snobbery was justified. Just because folks called out a Yankee liberal hypocrit doesn't mean we/they are being too sensitive, we are just being the Rebels that we are so well known for being. I think you are the one being too sensitive.

AudiR10
I have that song on an old record, but here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb7g34aqUg0


LOL, the picture
I grew up in Dublin in the 50s (remember Burt's column). Now it is famous for the redneck games.

One can say redneck because it is acceptable to insult amd make jokes about white Southern males. (on TV)

BTW, I have been to reneck bars with dirt floors in upsate New York AND in Northern California.

There were no redneck bars in Dublin when I grew up because it was a dry county.

Here's a question....
Can anyone tell me the difference between:

Person of Color, and
Colored Person?

Bueller, Bueller?

Answer:
The second is considered an insult.
The first is a thoughtspeak(TM) reconstructed version of the insult, that people have been duped into thinking is acceptable.


Red Neck, White Socks, Blue Ribbon Beer
was a song that I heard while I was going to Bible College in Tennessee and we New Yorkers and Jersey Boys [and girls] sang it with gusto; not because we were rednecks, per se, but because the philosophy summed up our attitude toward our country.

I am old enough to prefer Stella Artois to Pabst these days, but the sentiment stays the same.

Oh, as a side note, when I took that famous class *Git Th Souf Outcho Mouf* which was required by my employer (in intenational tax and finance) the etiology of the southern accent was explained to as noted above; it was also quite obvious to me during the summer I spent doing volunteer work and living in a mountain community in Tennessee, that the accent thy spoke with was derived from Shakespeare era English.

And I am forced to admit that what I had to get out of MY mouth was a Bronx accent Bugs Bunny would have been proud of -- and not once in my life was I ever offended when a German or Brit said with delight *You sound just like Bugs Bunny!*

Rednecks
The term "redneck" is not offensive until used as a perjorative by those who consider themselves more enlightened and somehow superior. The same was, and is, true of the term "hillbilly".
Whether I find it offensive depends entirely on source and context. Snotty litle folks like Andrea Mitchell offend me period.

When I was
a kid, people we now call rednecks were called hillbillys. I never met a hillbilly who was offended by thr term, as long as you smiled when using it.

"The Bristol Stomp."
"The kids in Bristol are sharp as a pistol
When they do the Bistol Stomp.
(Ah-ah-ah, whoa)"

The Dovells, 1961

Who can forget that? Despite its intended Bristol, PA, there's a Bristol almost everywhere. And that "(Ah-ah-ah, whoa)" presaging Rap, perhaps.

On another note (huh), Will Durant's 11 volume, 9,000 page, "The Story of Civilization" may be pretty well summed up as, "No Rednecks, no civilization -- no cities." Durant so often making the point no city could exist before the wealth of the countryside was brought forth.

Another wonderful essay from Mr. Greenberg, well on his way to becoming the De Montaigne of our time.

Shalom Ya'll

Perhaps Greenberg has learned by now after living in Arkansas that there are Redneck Jews too as shown in the picture to the left of his article:

"Gebby Lehman shows off his trophy after winning first place in the mudpit belly flop at the 2007 Summer Redneck Games in East Dublin, Georgia July 7, 2007. The Redneck Games began as a joke in response to the 1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta."
Reuters/Tami chappell (United States)

Don't Forget about "Kinky" Friedman....who was running for Governor of Texas...so...if you make fun of them..you might be making fun of someone in your own family LOL

It's all about thought control.

When liberals ban words and phrases they are deliberately attempting to cultivate racial and cultural division. This strategy is in the top 5 plays of the Democratic playbook under the heading: "Divide and Control".

This campaign to ban the use of the term redneck is clearly designed to segregate and divide. The PC thugocracy wants to make a group of people feel ashamed for who they are so that the Democrat-led PC thugocracy can move in and claim to "represent" the carved out (and nicely contained) group against the "evil white male majority" -- which no longer exists.
_______________________

Have you ever met a white person who gave a rat's rear end about being called whitey or honky?

Allowing the PC thugs to turn "nígger" into an offensive word while leaving "whitey" and "honky" alone created inequality where none existed.

At the time, most blacks did not give a rat's rear end at being called "nígger". But they let the PC thought police make them feel offended.

By forbidding the use of nígger without a concomittant ban on the use of "whitey" and "honky", the PC thugs succeeded in making black people feel ashamed for being black.

And white people were made to feel guilty for being white -- because being white was suddenly better than being black.

Until "nígger" became "the N word" most whites were not like their ancestors at all and did not consider the lack of melanin to be a superior characteristic.

This all about thought control.

redneck....
Later the term was used as a derogatory name for indentured fair skinned slaves. Even later still it was used for miners during an upheaval in the mining industry, about 1840 I think. And modern day use it is used with oil field workers, the cowboys and as a derogatory and belittling term for the rural white, who is conservative and looked upon as bigoted.

All you ever wanted to know about a word and were afraid to ask.

The meaning of the word redneck...
“The origins of this term Redneck are Scottish and refer to supporters of the National Covenant and The Solemn League and Covenant, or "Covenanters", largely Lowland Presbyterians, many of whom would flee Scotland for Ulster (Northern Ireland) during persecutions by the British Crown. The Covenanters of 1638 and 1641 signed the documents that stated that Scotland desired the Presbyterian form of church government and would not accept the Church of England as its official state church.
Many Covenanters signed in their own blood and wore red pieces of cloth around their necks as distinctive insignia; hence the term "Red neck", (rednecks) which became slang for a Scottish dissenter*. One Scottish immigrant, interviewed by the author, remembered a Presbyterian minister, one Dr. Coulter, in Glasgow in the 1940's wearing a red clerical collar -- is this symbolic of the "rednecks"?
Since many Ulster-Scottish settlers in America (especially the South) were Presbyterian, the term was applied to them, and then, later, their Southern descendants. One of the earliest examples of its use comes from 1830, when an author noted that "red-neck" was a "name bestowed upon the Presbyterians."

In Appreciation of Regional Distinctions
We are slowly losing our regional distinctions. And I agree with Mr. Greenberg: It's one of those things that makes us interesting. So that's a shame.

I'm a Southerner, more what I would describe as "country" rather than redneck. Years ago, while in graduate school, I was relaying an incident in which I received rude treatment from a fellow graduate student at a national conference. I stated, "Well, he couldn't help it. He's a Yankee." Oh, dear, I forgot that the person I was relaying the story to was from the North. After I quickly apologized, this person said, "That's all right. I know what you mean."

Rednecks aren't offended
As a southerner who has lived in NC, TX, TN, and FL, I agree that the term redneck is not offensive. I currently teach at a school where at least 25% of the students call themselves rednecks. Even some students who might not be "legitimate" rednecks (they live in the suburbs, for example) will wear camouflage jackets to show that they want to be considered rednecks. Rednecks have a certain pride about country living, and they have an uncomplicated view of life.

A Korean student of mine summed it up nicely during a lesson on letter writing. In a friendly letter to his relatives back in California he said, "I live in the redneck section of town. They take some getting used to but once you get to know them they are really nice."

Lakeland FL
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