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Wednesday, May 07, 2008
Paul Greenberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Decline of Insult
by Paul Greenberg
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Dear Polemicist,

Thank you for your comprehensive e-mail attacking Barack Obama's politics, religion and ancestry. What, not his choice in neckties?

It wasn't the scope of your dissatisfaction with the junior senator from Illinois that disappointed - it was certainly wide enough - but the insipid language in which you expressed it. It makes one wonder what ever happened to the art of insult in this country.

We still have the insults but not the art. Where has it gone - the wit, the brevity, the intellect, the finely honed viciousness, the perfect touch?

Every four years, we hear about how this presidential campaign is the most vitriolic ever, but a little historical perspective would reveal that contemporary political races are mild affairs indeed compared to, say, the showdown between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson in 1800. If you believed both sides in that contest, the country had a choice that year between a royalist tyrant and a libertine atheist.

The passage of time, and the human propensity toward ancestor worship, now has crowned both Adams and Jefferson with halos in the popular imagination. But contrary to legend, the Founding Fathers were not a collection of plaster saints. Their driving ambition, their zeal for their country's honor and their own, their unbridled competition for the public's favor - it would all make the current Clinton-Obama match-up look like a ladies' tea. Without the sophistication.

What are we to make of your attempt at diatribe? It starts off with the less than original observation that the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree, and goes on to note that "in Obama's case, it is reported, and not denied, that his mother was an atheist and her two chosen husbands were Muslims." Which leads you to this rousing peroration, which turns out to be more of an anti-climax: "In my opinion, if this man is elected president, our country will enter a period of total eclipse in regard to good political and economic decisions."

Sir, we live in meager times for rhetoric when that kind of plodding prose can pass for vilification. You sound as if you're responding to an offer in a mail-order catalogue. "In regard to," indeed.

Just compare your long-winded aspersions on Sen. Obama's lineage to John Adams' concise summation of his fellow founding father, Alexander Hamilton, whom he dismissed as the "bastard brat of a Scotch pedlar."

Beautiful. In only six popping words, Mr. Adams had touched so many fruitful bases of prejudice, moral, ethnic and class. Bastard Brat of a Scotch Pedlar. Note the alliterative start and the rhythmic, almost explosive succession of consonants compressed into the smallest space. How trippingly it comes off the tongue. Who knew that our second president, that dour old puritan, was a poet?

As for Col. Hamilton, he gave as good as he got - usually better. (Imagine the peak of mutual virulence these two good Federalists could have achieved if they had belonged to different parties.)

But perhaps intraparty rivalries are the bitterest, like family fights. See Obama-Clinton, a spitting match that may be only warming up, although Mrs. Clinton's apoplectic spouse already seems to have gone over the top, repeatedly.

See hubby's rant not long ago on YouTube; it brought to mind a small boy dutifully working himself into a royal tantrum. What a show. (Believe me, if you've never had the privilege of being yelled at by Bill Clinton, you've never been truly amused.)

But it's always the spouse who takes these things more seriously than the candidate, isn't it? Abigail was definitely the tougher of the Adamses in a political fight. A practitioner of the snub supreme, she never did forgive the cagey Mr. Jefferson for his behind-the-scenes campaign against her husband, not even when he tried to deny it and cozy up to his rival in their old age.

Age could not wither nor custom stale Mrs. Adams' contempt for her husband's nemesis. As the Irish would say, she had a tongue you could cut a hedge with. The sainted Abigail would have made Hillary Clinton, who passes for an alley fighter in these tough-as-tapioca times, look like a sweet little thing.

Sir, you must try harder. You might not be able to do as well as John Adams, but surely you can do better than, "In my opinion, if this man is elected President our country will enter a period of total eclipse in regard to good political and economic decisions."

After "total eclipse," which has a nice astronomical drama to it, it's all downhill. Maybe it's the "in regard to" that gives this attempt at dire prophecy the flavor of a standard American business letter circa 1924.

Pull up your socks, man, and start crying Impending Disaster. Picture grass growing in the streets, planets in collision, "a conspiracy so immense, an infamy so black, as to dwarf any in the history of man." That was Joe McCarthy going after a real patriot, George C. Marshall, back in 1952.

To warm up, read some of Robert Welch's old John Birch Society tracts. American political literature is full of examples to draw inspiration from.

With a little practice, surely you can do better than a form-letter phrase like "in regard to good political and economic decisions." Anybody could.

Better luck next time,

Inky Wretch

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Wit requires education
One thing that a classical education affords a person is the ability to craft invective in words that others remember. (The only sad thing about it is those admiring ignoranti who, after hearing a flowing quotation from an author who would have been well known by anyone educated in a prairie schoohouse, ask *Did you make that up?*)

Something as simple as *By the pricking of my thumbs/something wicked this way comes* will outdo the cries of *YouAF***ingRacist!* that passes for erudation these days. A wry observation upon seeing Hillary knocking back the Jack Daniels, that *Malt does more than Milton can/to justify Gods ways to Man* not only gets a puzzled smile and *Did you make that up?* but *Who is Milton?*

There is a difference between wit and insult. There was an exchange I dimly remember between two members of the British Parliament in which one predicted that the other would die either of a *pox [STD] of the throat or of the [nether reigions]* whereupon his adversary riposted, *That will depend upon whether I embrace your ideas or your mistress.*

Now that is witty.

AudiR10
From the internet, I found this. It probably is accurate:



Perhaps the most celebrated retort in the history of wit occurred in a famous exchange between two 18th century political rivals, John Montagu, also known as the Earl of Sandwich, and the reformist politician, John Wilkes. During a heated argument, Montagu scowled at Wilkes and said derisively, "Upon my soul, Wilkes, I don't know whether you'll die upon the gallows, or of syphilis" (some versions of the story say "a vile disease" and others "the pox"). Unfazed, Wilkes came back with what many people regard as the greatest retort of all time:

"That will depend, my Lord, on whether
I embrace your principles, or your mistress."



Wit has lost a lot
to lawsuits.

Paul
I must disagree with your current assessments,regarding insults.Insults have not disappeared,but those who use them are vanishing fast.Today's insult,is the "Tool" of the prejudiced and uninformed."If Elected He Would be the Worst"?How does anyone know?The era of the "Sophist", has no application in recent America history,because there is no "Art" of convincing argument.Most times, when I have a need, to listen to real insults,I read the TAX CODE.Smooth as Classical music....

a few good ones
Winston Churchill was at a dinner and the woman next to him said "Sir, you are drunk!"
Replied he: "Yes I am, madam, and you are ugly. But tomorrow I will be sober and you will STILL be ugly."

Perhaps at the same party and the same woman: "Sir if you were my husband I would put poison in your tea."
"Madam, if you were my wife I would DRINK that tea."

Perhaps a good insult only is good if the insultee is intelligent enough to understand it. And appreciate it. It seems to me that many people today suffer from a grave irony deficiency.

Audi - You misspelled "erudition". And if you want to read GOOD stuff read P.G. Wodehouse. ANYONE can read him and appreciate good writing.

And I see in a sidebar to my left that an "American Idol" contestant flubbed the lyrics to "Mr. Tambourine Man" last night.

Oh the humanity

PC Correctness is & INSULT !
PC Correctness has gotten to the shallow point of utter and complete stupidity AND NONE SENSE .
If a white man , no other titles or countries just ''White Folks , White Guy , Honky say's a word about ""Africian Americans " that questions their behavior or Oboma's sick economics' , "friends or Marxist views " in any way .
Blacks the Media and of course all Socialist Liberals call us white folks Racist .
My former beloved College UVA USE to be one of this best open debate Campus's in this nation with any and all respected view points but today there is no debate therenow ..Zero .
If your not a ANTI WAR , TREE HUGGING OBOMA Liberal your considered a moron .Many teachers there take points away for being a Conservative
(IF THEY FIND OUT OR YOU ""VOICE "YOUR VIEWS )
My grandson who is a Senior there tells me and those same teachers teach America is a bad country and a Bullying the world warmonger . UVA in 1963 had no Multi Coult. Black and African History or required Diversity courses .....today they have (51) ?
Oh yea 35 years ago we had to ware Ties at UVA .Today it looks like a Rap consert on campus .
We will probaby drop the white Cavalier logo next and use a picture of Malcolm X instead to be more Diverse or show MORE WHITE LIBERAL GUILT .

Recon
Please be advised, that you do not understand, any of the economic arguments being put forth.If you did, you would not use Marxist or Socialist references.It is quite O'kay to disagree with anyone,even maybe to the point of Insult.But, there is no socially accepted decorum for being incorrect.Anymore!There go the "Good Ole Days".I could explain incorrect,but not to you.It sounds like you have mastered that skill.

I blame it on Saturday Night Live
Dan Aykroyd and Jane Curtin did a recurring sketch in the early days of SNL. It was a debate format mocking a 60 Minutes "Point-Counterpoint" between two pundits on opposite sides of the political spectrum.

Jane Curtin would always open the bit with an hilarious opening salvo designed to immediately put her opponent on the defensive. Then she would turn to Aykroyd, anticipating his retort. The first words out of his mouth were always, "Jane, you ignorant sl~t!"

It was always funny but, sadly, accurately represented the modern version of what now passes for discourse in American politics.

Why bother.
What could you possibly say about George Bush that would insult him anymore than he insults himself by just opening his mouth?

The American public elected him, twice. This illustrates two things:

1.) The source material can't be insulted due to its low esteem.

2.) The audience wouldn't appreciate it.

Why zap a good zinger at George Bush? The publics' perception of Bush is already as the dumbest of the dumb, how much farther can you take him down? Even the Kelvin temperature scale has an absolute zero, well below the historical Centigrade freezing point zero, and George Bush hit Kelvin zero many moons ago.

To wit, the public prefers to elect their insults, not have their insults made about esteemed people. Obama, Clinton and McCain are all insults which cannot be insulted any further than just their very presence suggests. Same with John Kerry and Al Gore. And pretty much all of Congress today.

John Adams could get off a "good one" at Thomas Jefferson precisely because both men were men of ability and stature who could be taken down.

All American politicians today are pigs, curs, dogs, primordial slime and cannot be insulted. So why bother?

Thank you for the info
I will write "erudition" ten times in my best handwriting; that is what Sister would have made me do and it does help.

Also for the information on the quotation. That is the one I so vaguely remembered.

I recall a witty, if somewhat bawdy exchange between Benjamin Franklin and a 'lady' that went more or less like this: "Mr. Franklin, who had been at the decanters rather freely, sat down beside a woman who noted that his trousers were unbuttoned displaying his [male anatomy]. "Mr. Franklin," she said disapprovingly, "something is sticking out of your trousers."

"Do not flatter yourself, Madam," replied Franklin, attending to the matter. "It is hanging out."

And of course there was Mark Twain, who once asked a woman if she would sleep with him for $1 million. "I would have to consider it," she simpered. He immediately asked her if she'd sleep with him for $1.00 and she retorted indignantly, "What kind of woman do you think I am?"

"Madam," he replied, "we have established that. All we are talking now is price."

Shakespeare, the ultimate source
The greatest source of witty, pithy insults I know of is William Shakespeare. Here are a few links that may prove helpful:

http://www.pangloss.com/seidel/Shaker/ (Shakespearean insulter).

http://www.pangloss.com/seidel/shake_rule.html (Shakespeare Insult Kit).

http://www.william-shakespeare.org.uk/shakespeare-insults-d ictionary.htm (Shakespeare Insults Dictionary).

Bill

Killer writes B/S !
killer writes:
Wednesday, May, 07, 2008 9:45 AM
Recon
Please be advised, that you do not understand, any of the economic arguments being put forth.If you did, you would not use Marxist or Socialist references.It is quite O'kay to disagree with anyone,even maybe to the point of Insult.But, there is no socially accepted decorum for being incorrect.Anymore!There go the "Good Ole Days".I could explain incorrect,but not to you.It sounds like you have mastered that skill.
_______________
Killer you be ADVISED it is you that doesn't understand Jack or Economics' . First off . Oboma Rev. Taught the Anti American Black Liberation movement .
Marx inspired . Next Your Boy studied hung out with Hate America Nuts like Bill Ayers in Chi Town and COMMIE Saul Alinsky in Chicago's Woodlawn as did Hillary .
Oboma wants to tax Oil CO.s at Barrel past $80.00 at 20 % ? BIG OIL DOESN'T DECIDE THE PRICE OPEC CHARGES . AND OF COURSE SUPPLY AND DEMAND IS THE OTHER CAUSE WHEN WE WANT USE OUR OWN energy . .
Next he wants to Double the Capital gains tax . Moronic
and Lower the Investment Tax credits the oil of all business growth and jobs .
He wanted to raise taxes on the Top 10 % but the Top 10 % pays 67.9 % of all taxes and the bottom 50 % pays 3.00975 % of our taxes and 121 Million pay no taxes at all and get 21.3 % of all tax revenues back .
He wants to raise CORP TAXES NOW AT 35 % THE SECOND HIGHEST IN THE WORLD .
Oboma wants to give the UN more Food ..65 million by 2015 to feed the poor .... Like we aren't now .
Oboma and HILLARY are against Free Trade , Drilling for our own Oil , Nuke power like Europe ....or Natural and Porgane gas or even clean Liquid Coal .
I understand economics' .. You, Hillary , Oboma Al Gore and all MARIST believers don't !
You talk B/S I talked FACTS !
Killer your a Sissy
I am a PROFESSIONAL Former QUICK KILL RECON MARINE INST......CARE TO TRY ME ?
OH yea I ran a 368 employee FURNITURE none Union Co.



KILLER writes B/S !
It is quite O'kay to disagree with anyone,even maybe to the point of Insult.But, there is no socially accepted decorum for being incorrect.Anymore!There go the "Good Ole Days".I could explain incorrect,but not to you.It sounds like you have mastered that skill.
_______

Ok Killer I want too read your facts and skills on Higer taxes on everything as that relates to the GDP growing and making America better !
High taxes kill Productivy ... Duh !
Your boy Oboma when He and Hillary ''debated on ABC COUNDN'T !
He sounded like a High School drop on higher taxes being better for the economy .Insane .
We ""see" how BIG UNIONS mile high taxes in Canada and France economy works with Nanny state welfare to all in the crapper ECONOMICS' .

Too killer lastly .
I could explain incorrect,but not to you.It sounds like you have mastered that skill..
____________
I still believe in the GOOD OLD AMERICAN CONSTITUTION AND THE FIRST AMENDMENT YOU SOCIALIST WHITE GUILT LIBERALS DON'T UNLESS IT YOUR OWN WORDS .
Even though I hated the ****%$###*.. that self admitted Marxist that burned our Flag i didn't seek him out and DOA him .Nor did I those Liberals that called me a baby killer or innocent poor people in NAM per your Lier John KERRY . Even when he called our Sons that serve in the Military dumb ? WHY DID KERRY SERVE then get a BCD .
My son is a Major in the USMC and has a MBA from VMI .
When Liberal Elite's Like you and BLACKS (B...h -Hoo-N-word )decide what is proper words our Nation is no more than SILENT Old Russia under Stalin . We are headed there right now !
I guess Your Guy Oboma got Incorrect Right with the most Incorrect so called Minister WORDS I have ever heard in my life .. Rev Wright .
As one of old Red Neck very Rich Conservatives HEARING any Minister preaching hate of my country or any color I would have left that CHURCH in a NY SECOND .
YOUR MAN OBOMA STAYED THERE FORE 20 YEARS . YOU NEED TO WORK WITH OBOMA ,His wife , AL SHARPTON ,John Kerry , MOVE ON ,ORG , HUFFINGTON POST , JESSE JACKSON ,BILL MAR , Bill Clinton and Rossy O'DONNELL and your Damn self .
If we were Face to Face you would run rather than belittle me A/H .... guaranteed !

I thought the USMC had some
basic (if low) educational standards for admission?

MellorSJ2 writes


I thought the USMC had some
basic (if low) educational standards for admission?

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Sorry Sir that would given blacks getting 25 points to be grads from VA State , Norfolk State , Howard University or any High School in enter city Detroit , LA , CHI-TOWN , New Orleans , Philla , Houston , Atlanta .Balitmore , Richmond , DC to name a few .
I as a former elite ReCon Marine had to have a 120 IQ(officier grade all servicies ) and score very high in 21 other high skilled levels of mind body an soul going through pure hell and staying cool under fire .
That goes for Seas, Army Rangers , Special Forces as well . 90 % of all liberal College grads , PHD's would fail .
BILL CLINTON HAS A 151 IQ AND HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT SEX IS OR ISN'T ?
John KERRY has a 124 IQ ..DUH ....GORE 122 DUH-DUH .....BUSH 136???? .......AND ME 131 .My Marine son 137 .
Maybe you being a Liberal bought into dumb military Kerry's crap .
I hope I cleared that up for you in your next Socialism . Multi Cult. Diversity , PC or Basket weaving class .



120 IQ?
But can't even write a sentence?

Which do you believe? The evidence or the unsupported claim?

MellorSJ2 writes

I see basket weaving made you sentence correct but the mind of a room Temp. IQ at best probably costing your parents or us real tax payers a $$$$$... Money in the s..t -er obviously . I can't explain the USMC to a Liberal fool like you or John Kerry ..Like I can't explain ECONOMICS' TO OBOMA or Morals to Bill Clinton .

I would put my life in the USMC and Business world later at the highest level against your B/S Elite Liberal anti war obvious pure crap . You are in Code pink and a anti war pacifist obviously . Might I remind you MARINES giving their lives made your spoiled life possible . I would have fraged you knowing your game since you can't Trust your kind in Battle .The enemy from within .... Quote : The Art of War .
I competed against MBA's in the Furnitute Ind. at the highest level and it was like shooting Fish in a Barrel . I saw them in slow motion when they were up against what wasn't in a text of a book or a vague theory by a PHD that didn't know the real World .(they were lost ) .I LOVED IT AND RETIRED VERY RICH TO HORSE RACE COUNTRY OF VA .

IMPEACH HOWARD DEAN
Democrat Party in total disarray

Imposed Primary Process disenfranchises voters from BigShot back office AutoCrat PowerCrats that dictate policy in StarChamber secrecy.

DEMOCRATS UNITE - IMPEACH HOWARD DEAN

Our debt to Obama
Any reasonable conservative should feel profoundly grateful to Obama, right up to his nomination.

I CLAVDIVS writes:
DEMOCRATS UNITE - IMPEACH HOWARD DEAN
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No No No .......We Conservatives want Howard Dean to be Oboma's VP running mate . I can see him screaming now and waving his arms !!!
McNut needs all the help he can get . We Conservatives think he is a Nancy Polsoi spy or schill to get Oboma elected since many of my friends don't won't to vote for him .We are going to ware a CLOTHS PEN ON OUR NOSE WHEN WE NOTE FOR MC NUT IN NOV.
Just think 312 million Americans and in all Truth Not one of the Three could run a Car Wash much less the most powerful Nation in the world ..How sad ! I would vote for Truman , John Kennedy or Reagan in a heart beat .
After all those Democrats would be Ronald Reagan Conservatives compared to Today's far left anti War welfare loving HIGH TAX Socialist Liberals .

Insults- gone with the wind
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a d..."

Classic and all-purpose.

I see logic isn't your strong suit
either.

Not only can't he write a sentence ("I see basket weaving made you sentence correct but the mind of a room Temp. IQ at best probably costing your parents or us real tax payers a $$$$$..."), for example, but he makes a number of unwarranted assumptions, and proceeds downhill from there.




Melloror S12 writes
unwarranted assumptions, and proceeds downhill from there.

It was You that wrote Marines had low IQ's you though ? Typical Liberal B/S !
So it was WARRANTED THAT YOUR ASSUMPTIONS WERE MORONIC by any Standard !
Do yourself a favor don't go in BAR and tell any Marine he has Sub par brains unless you want your Leg in your Ear before he gets real mad at you !
Your doing the typical old elite your smart Liberal game and anyone in the hated military is stupid . You don't know jack about anything outside of a class room OBVIOUSLY BY YOUR COMMENT ABOUT MARINES .
Go back to Move on .org . or send me your address for a little Chest to Chest fun and games .I like that kind of party .
You will bleed Yellow .
That is no assumption .

I made no statements about Marines
I asked if the corps had educational standards.

Then I asked whether we should believe the claim that an individual has an IQ of 120 when that person is incapable of writing a sentence.


MellorSJ2
I thought that here on TH we were going to ignore the typo's? I know the first time I did it, I got my @$$ reamed by,I believe, SSGT. Or does that only apply to me?

I'm happy to ignore typos
I have difficulties with non-sentences, non-logic, and nonsense.

I have also have difficulties with liars. No way that guy has an IQ above 100. And I doubt if he was ever a marine, frankly.

Melloror S12 writes

I made no statements about Marines
I asked if the corps had educational standards.
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So you can be a Typist with your $$$ education ? Big Deal . I had 4 full time Secs and 12 Typist .
I ran the show 1980-1993 . Sealy Posturepedia of Canada USA Furniture Div ..USA with 368 employee's .
My "Limited Education " made me quite wealthy retiring at 52 .
Only a unkowning Liberal Fool would ask that stupid question or a Foreigner about the USMC standards !
I saw from the start where you were coming from . A John Kerry and OBOMA fan no doubt .
I need to have some adult time now so I hope your Mommie makes you a nice diner then reads you a hate America's Military story .
Go too USMC.COM AND RESEARCH RECON MARINES .



Congratulations!
Wow! Even a moron can make it in America!

MellorSJ2 writes:

Congratulations!
Wow! Even a moron can make it in America!

COURTS OUT ON YOU .....The future for you looks real bad .
I wished like hell I could tell you my name .
I was one of the top 5 Furniture designers and fabric colorist in Canada and America . You Mom butt may be sitting in my LAP I mean one of my sofa ,Ls's or Chairs right now since I sold my line to all the top players .
You judged this Former Marine as any Typical Liberal .
On question I served in the USMC ? MY MOS WAS 0303 0321 .
TWO TOURS IN NAM 2ND RECON .
BASED AT STONE BAY NC HOME OF RECON AND THE ORG, USMC RAIDERS WWW 2 .
MY TO WEAPON WAS THE M3AI .shots 45's 30 rounds .
Demo school 1-2 Camp Geigher NC . B-1 -C-2 Sump charges, bouncing bettyies. Electric and non electric fuse lighters and blasting caps .
RECON SCHOOL - LITTLE CREEK VA WITH SEAL TEAM 21 .
Jump school - Fort Bragg NC .
SCUBA SCHOOL - KEY WEST FLA NAVAL STATION . RANG THE BELL !
COLD WEATHER -PICKLE MEADOWS CALIF.
Jungle Warfair and Survial - The Dismal swamps GA .
QUICK KILL -Q-CO VA .1200 HOURS
NEI DON JUDO .
GET A REAL MARINE TO READ THIS THEN SAY YOUR SORRY A-'H !!!!
OK !

None too bright...
...and more than a bit of a psychopath.

Makes me worry about who is defending my country.

(PS. You can tell me your name. Go on. You're a man, aren't you?)

MellorSJ2 writes:
one too bright...
...and more than a bit of a psychopath.

Makes me worry about who is defending my country.

HAAA HAAA HAAA ! YOU WOULD TURN A PACIFIST INTO A PSYCHOPATH BUT IN MY CASE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TOO .....IT WOULD BE FUN ACTUALLY slowly strangling you in a Gatine .
I kicked you butt on every issue . Dumb not a marine . haa haa
Lets see now I fought for my country awarded 2 purple hearts and work with and help Iraq marines and their familes and give lots of money to the usmc legal foundation ...designed Fashion sofa and colored fabrics, raised three great kids all with college , ran a huge CO. and didn't get a penny of help from anyone .The American dream, Rich , famous and awesome estate in horse race country of VA .. And You ? Useless at best and I'm being kind .

MellorSJ2
Why do you want to know ReCon-USMC's name? Do you wish to stalk him? Please stop referring to others as psychopaths while making lunatic inquiries. At least you are honest for a liberal, admitting your true feelings about our troops. Go encourage you fellow lefties to follow suit.

You have no idea :)
.

Max baby
I am not a liberal.

I am interested in his name only because he is afraid to give it. I, OTOH, offer mine freely.

He is obviously a psychopath. He rants. He believes himself special. And he brags about his "achievements," which, as far as I'm concerned, are nothing special at all. Retires? 52? Horses?

A very big So what?

Maximilian writes:

MellorSJ2
Why do you want to know ReCon-USMC's name? Do you wish to stalk him?

Thanks Maximilian ...We call that in ReCon ..GOT YOUR BACK !
If that Liberal fart would stalk me it would be his Death Wish come true .
ReCon (is) about STALKING & AMBUSH just for the record .its called setting the U only in ...... not out .
One suspects he is hardly a bad butt Viet Cong real in a cave or a fearless stalker in the Delta or the trail coming from N. Vietnam .
No Problem .(grin) .

MellorSJ2 writes:
MellorSJ2 writes: Wednesday, May, 07, 2008 7:06 PM
Max baby
I am not a liberal.

I am interested in his name only because he is afraid to give it. I, OTOH, offer mine freely.

He is obviously a psychopath. He rants. He believes himself special. And he brags about his "achievements," which, as far as I'm concerned, are nothing special at all. Retires? 52? Horses?

A very big So what?

MOMMY'S SPOILED BABY BOY NO DOUBT .YOUR NOT A LIBERAL(B/S) AND QUESTION THE USMC LOW EDUCATION......YOU NEED TO CHANGE YOUR MEDS !

I didn't question the USMC's
low education. I asked what the criteria were.

After all, you claim to be "Recon-USMC" and you obviously have a room-temperature IQ.

So what gives?

Mellor
Fair enough, I apologize for calling you a liberal. Giving your surname on a political board, however, is a dangerous idea not to be expected of others.

I see no reason why you should be so bothered by this Marine. If he has served his country honorably, we Americans owe him some bragging rights.

MellorSJ2 writes:
So what gives?

IS Your lack of common sense abality to reason , respecting real men and our Military THAT WHAT GIVES .
I told you my USMC record after you questioned it and work History to show a usless fool like you about a world you can't imagine . I have lifed 5 lives you don't even know the one your in now obviously .Doing it ain't bragging when its the truth ....Oh that's right Liberals hate $$ winners ..silly me .

I just showed your crap to my Son just now who is back from Iraq finally after 3 tours and is ready for some adult beverages .
He said Dad why in the hell do you talk to Liberal morons like that Nut and those kind of head heads . It is like talking to wall .
My Son is right . Bye A/H !

Thank you, Maximillian
Indeed, I am not a 'liberal' in the US sense of the word, anyway.

I choose to use my real name because I stand by my opinions. (I spent a good part of my life not doing that. Those days are past.)

I would never have asked for his name had he not said he could not provide it. To me, that smacks of cowardice.

I'm not "bothered" by this fool. I guess him to be a fraud. Either way, if he is an example of USMC, we should all be ashamed.

I have no problem with him "bragging." I have a problem with him making the USMC appear to populated by morons. (At least one, in any event.)

In any event, thank you for engaging.

Oh No!
There are two of them! Let's hope the son can write a sentence.

Let's also hope the son forgives his father for spending time messing about on a blog instead of his son after three tours in Iraq (and a need for adult beverages).

"Hi dad! Where's the beer?" "Let me show you what I've been writing on TownHall!"

Sure. And I have underwater land in Florida to sell you.

MellorSJ2 writes:
I'm not "bothered" by this fool. I guess him to be a fraud. Either way, if he is an example of USMC, we should all be ashamed.

We will meet .You just went over the LINE l
That will happen when you least expect it .
You questioned my USMC Honor . No man does that not even a jerk like you !
Send my your ADDRESS l and I WILL SHOW YOU MY PICTURES AS A RECON MARINE LEADER AND MY SOFA LINE .
I JUST LEFT THE USMC LEGAL FOUNDATION $1 MILLION DOLLARS IN MY WILL AFTER MY WIFE DIES HOPEFULLY AFTER ME .



Go on then
Can't wait.

Anyone have ANY idea what this means?
"Send my your ADDRESS l and I WILL SHOW YOU MY PICTURES AS A RECON MARINE LEADER AND MY SOFA LINE ."

?

ReCon-USMC
While I most definatly do not doubt your bonifides, I do think there was a bit of an information overload here. A lot of civillians call what we file as just facts as bragging. I don't. That hole is a place that I want to remember on the whole yet forget the parts, and I would wager you are of the same frame.

MellorSJ2 writes:
nyone have ANY idea what this means?

War .... You and Me . a liitle eye to eye fun and games in a dark alley all alone .
Who can't dance ANYMORE wins . Write you will cause I'm winning THAT DANCE CONTEST .
Even a fool could go look up what 0321 ReCon means in the USMC .
It is less than 1 % of all MARINES because of what it takes mentally and Phy.
Or IF you knew any marines you could ask them and show my MOS POSTING . OH THANKS RIGHT YOU DON'T KNOW ANY SMART MUCH LESS ANY MARINES .
YOU MUST BE IN BERKLEY CALIF .

eastlake joe writes:
Your Right Joe .In TRUTH I shouldn't let these Libearal hate America Liberal Nurds get under my skin but he hit a real nerve .
I have yet to go the BLACK WALL even though I live only 2 hours away because 17 of my fellow recon marines names are on it . I almost was there as well and spent 11 months in the Navel hosp in MD .
I have tried 3 times to go to the black wall but turned back all three times .
I still help those familes and am deeply involved in helping Iraq marine familes and I VISIT them quite often at two VA hosp.
AS WE SAY IN ZEN TO BECOME A JUDO PLAYER (NEI DON SECOND DEGREE BLACK BELT IN ENGLEE ) ..I WILL BURN HIS CANDLE .or HE is no more .

BOUILLABAISSE
DEMOCRAT DENVER = BOUILLABAISSE

MellorSJ2
Mellor, I have agreed with you a lot of times, but i just can't in any shape or form on this one. See, the question I have for you is this: What if everything he has said is true? Especially the part about his son. he didn't say jack to you yet you attack him. What if the son is indeed a Marine? That means in the matter of a few sentences you have insulted two of America's finest. Now that may not matter much at all to you, but I'm sure there's a whole lot of them here that it does, myself included. I'd have to say you've shown your backside tonight. I don't think this is Wobbie the navy Wabbit here.

Land Down Under...
We still like our insults in Australia. They can be stinging and cutting and don't even need to be "insulting" in the strict sense of that word.

A former Prime Minister was famous for this:

[on being insulted by the opposition leader] "Being insulted by you is like being slapped in the face with a warm piece of lettuce."

[On being heckled at a town hall meeting by a young student] "Oh, get a job like the rest of us!"

[On being asked by the Opp. leader why he didn't want to call an election] "Because, mate, I want to do you slowly."

In Parliament:

"You're a Stinking Grub!"
Speaker: "Retract that statement."
"If I have offended grubs anywhere, I apologize."

"I'll have you know I am a country member!"
[without skipping a beat] "Of course I'll remember... how could I ever forget?"

I laughed out loud at the last one when I first heard it. It's astonishingly obscene but still said in such a polished way. The best insult has no swear words in it. The Chinese know this well. They can come up with the most filthy epithets and images to insult you with, and none of them involve a single swear word.

O'BoomBox-BoyToy-Billionaires' Brat.
O'BoomBox-BoyToy-Billionaires' Brat.

Insults
The decline of the good and telling insult is certainly due to the namby-pamby educational process ;note similarity to sausage making]. The adolescents now lounging in the halls of ivy are limited to their four letter words - the attempted insults of 10 year olds..

Gabriel Austin

Yet more insults
One of the greatest American insulters was Thaddeus Stevens, Speaker of the House. When asked by Lincoln for his opinion of a possible cabinet member: "Well, Sir, he wouldn't steal a red hot stove".
Called upon to apologize, he did so: "I said he wouldn't steal a red hot stove. I take that back".
On being told that Andrew Johnson was a self-made man: "I am happy to hear it. It relieves the Creator of a terrible responsibility"
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