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Wednesday, April 16, 2008
Paul Greenberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
Time Warp: Different War, Same Question
by Paul Greenberg
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One of the most dedicated, determined and talented American leaders - yes, they still make that kind - was called to testify last week before the diverse collection of politicos known as the Senate Armed Services Committee. Its members wanted to hear from General David Petraeus, the American commander in Iraq who is carrying out a strategy he himself largely devised: the Surge.

Since his last appearance before this committee, including three potential commanders-in-chief, there has been a far from complete but striking change for the better in Iraq. The idea of victory in that war has gone from forlorn hope to increasing possibility. In war, as an American general named MacArthur once said, there is no substitute for victory. And that includes the current euphemism for defeat, Exit Strategy.

When this same committee grilled the general last September, Hillary Clinton told him it would take "a willing suspension of disbelief" to credit what he was saying about American prospects in Iraq. In another sign of how much things have changed in half a year, the junior senator from New York did not repeat that cynical sound bite in these hearings. Though if, despite the odds, she turns out to be the next Democratic presidential nominee, the country will surely be treated to numerous playbacks of it sponsored by the Republican National Committee.

The general's current, cautious progress report evoked varied reactions from the committee. Some senators offered profusive, indeed embarrassing, praise. Others engaged in the kind of cynical jabs that have come to be the hallmark of those ambitious pols who have bet their future advancement on an American defeat in Iraq. (Even if they initially supported the American commitment there. See Clinton, Hillary Rodham.)

Listening to General Petraeus respond with unwavering dignity and measured deference to both praise and blame from the committee's different members, the mind drifted. I couldn't help wondering what the conversation would have been like if another American commander at another embattled time, General Dwight D. Eisenhower, had been summoned home to answer the same sort of questions at another crucial moment in American history - in the midst of the Battle of the Bulge.

Thanks to the magic of the Apocryphal Press, a news service of my own invention and imagination, here is how the Q & A would have gone if moved back in time to the turn of the year 1945, when the outcome of the momentous conflict then under way in Europe and the Pacific was still undecided.

Only names, places, dates and the war have been changed. The rest of the quotes are taken almost intact from the transcript of last week's hearings. The spirit of the exchange between an American general and his interlocutors, among them three presidential candidates this election year, has been fully retained: Continued...

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Comparing Iraq to the Civil War
Not a good comparison. The South started that war with the bombardment of Fort Sumter. Lincoln had no time to plan on what Generals would lead. After a few months he did find out McClellan was a poor General in Chief and transfered him to the army of the Potomac. It took Lincoln months not years to make adjustments to fight the South.

Bush, on the other hand had all the time in the world and made poor decisions on how to lead and on how to adjust to the enemies changing tactics.

As far as Victory, we celebrated it back in April 2003. If that wasn't victory then what is victory, being in the middle of a three way civil war between groups that have hated each other for over 1000 years? Check up on your history, occupiers of countries have never faired well against guerilla warfare.

Define Victory ..................
The war in Iraq is rapidly becoming like the War I fought, Vietnam.
Many people, mostly news people, say `WE' lost that war, our vets lost the war. BS We did not `lose' a thing, except our insight on when to pack it in and seek a peace.
Out troops never lost a battle, or a city to the VC/NVA forces. We bloodied them in the fields, in the minds and hearts of their soldiers. When they fought us, they where thankful the fighting ended. They prayed and sang chants. They were demoralized because their propaganda failed them.
That is Iraq in a nut shell, and our Administration does not want another `Vietnam' syndrome lose. Get that word out of the context please, to withdraw from a civil conflict between similar peoples is not defeat it is sound military judgement. To stay and see our boys/girls die for nothing, is a bigger defeat than a withdrawl. The War should have never taken place, Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda should have remained our sole intended target, but it wasn't that way. now get out before we bleed more for a bunch of people that hate us anyway.
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