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Wednesday, March 26, 2008
Paul Greenberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Speech
by Paul Greenberg
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Barack Obama's speech last Tuesday is still the talk of the country - and should be. Because what started as a political necessity in a presidential campaign went on to become an appeal on a higher level than politics.

The immediate, precipitating reason for the address were some of the outrageous comments of his former pastor - comments Barack Obama's critics had seized upon. That matter he handled with dispatch:

"I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Rev. Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely - just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed."

Lord knows that's true enough. Who has not been embarrassed by a minister's using the pulpit to parade his politics? That doesn't mean we love our preachers less, but only that we notice, and cringe, when in the hold of some political fixation they go right over the rhetorical cliff. Just as the Rev. Jeremiah Wright did. Again and again. It's an old distinction, but still one worth preserving: Hate the sin but don't stop loving the sinner.

Which is just what Barack Obama has done, refusing to turn his back on the man who brought him into the church, who officiated at his wedding, and who baptized his children. What kind of man would do that?

But the senator and presidential candidate did more than say something about what personal loyalty means. He reached across the race line to forge a bond with all of us, black and white and other, when he referred to what is surely a common experience in every family, in every congregation. We've all been embarrassed by someone close to us, and we may confront them, but we don't disown them. We recognize that they're still part of our family, our community. What the wise do is just love the sins of others to death.

Explaining why he wouldn't disassociate himself from his pastor, but only from his pastor's politics, Barack Obama put it this persuasive way:

"I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe. These people are a part of me."

But if the senator's speech had been only about his relationship with his pastor, and with his family, it would have been only a clarification. Like the best of discourses, Barack Obama's only began with the particular before going on to the universal. He wound up speaking not just about the state of race relations but the State of the Union:

"The fact is that the comments that have been made and the issues that have surfaced over the last few weeks reflect the complexities of race in this country that we've never really worked through-a part of our union that we have yet to perfect. And if we walk away now, if we simply retreat into our respective corners, we will never be able to come together."

Amen, brother.

Barack Obama went on to explore the origins and consequences of racial resentments, black and white, in this society. Only when we understand the roots of our grievances may we able to outgrow them, rather than forever take refuge in resentment. If we keep feeding those little devils within, whatever racial or ethnic or class or personal grievances they feed upon, they will only grow stronger, more voracious, till they devour us. Instead, they must be rooted out before conciliation, a more perfect union, is possible. Was this a political speech or a sermon? It was both, of course, as the best of each are. (See King, Martin Luther Jr.)

Barack Obama's was an appeal not just to empathy but to reason. Strangely enough, it worked. For at least one shining moment, his voice was heard clearly, gratefully, above the tumult of talk-show anger and political calculation. His message was an old one, and still sound advice: Come, let us reason together.

It won't be long before politics as usual, and political commentary as usual, obscures Barack Obama's moment of truth. ("How many points did his speech score? Did it help him or hurt him?") But for one shining moment, a new light seemed to fall on the country. The light of reason.

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Yes, but...
I do accept Mr. Greenberg's assessment... up to a point.
Sen. Obama lost me when he fell into the "government needs to fix everything" mantra to reveal his approach to "solving" the country's domestic issues.

He, like so many other Democrat and Republican politicos, seem to have forgotten the "forgotten man." that is, the hard working taxpayer left to foot the bill to support our gov't's redistribution schemes.
Sen. Obama (and Mr. Greenberg) would profit by reading Amity Schlae's recent book, "The Forgotten Man" on the Depression and what exacerbated it. Clearly, economists know today that Roosevelt's New Deal only made things worse as well as prolonged the misery.

Mr. Greenberg
Are yours the remarks of a typical white person?

As a not so typical white person...
...my view is that this was a watershed moment in our politics whether you support Obama or not. A speech delivered that actually might have some impact on our understanding who the candidate is. There was something quite Bush-esque about how he stood by his preacher-friend, not allowing the media coverage to influence, a presidential trait that is commendable after the Clinton years of abandonment under fire. Watching that speech was like a study of Tiger Woods draining a 60 foot snake to win under pressure. It was exhilarating.

Could Townhall columnists please stop ..
... channelling Daily Kos? The speech was more of the same disingenuity, trying to excuse the fact that Obama has sat for 20 years under a man he KNOWS is a racist, antisemite, America-hater and one who perpetuates black problems by blaming them all on white Europeans.

jono64
Agree totally. I heard that everything is the white people's fault.

Being told that Wright's hatred is my fault was not very healing for me.

I have grown very weary of the black leaders raving like this. Throw that speech with Jessie Jackson's voice and everyone would see the same tired BS. Instead it was delivered by a smooth talking con man and every one is falling all over themselves about how great is was.

We can't afford to let this issue die unless we want this phony in the White House.

The William Ayers issue has not been brought to full light. For God's sake, people, Obama's people clearly said Obama is "friendly" with that domestic terrorist. Friends with a man who bombed the very White House Obama wants to love in, bombed the Pentagon, and bombed NYC police stations. Then on 9/11 Ayers admitted it all in the NY Slimes and said he wished he had done more.

What's wrong with reason . . .
It is truly ashame that folks can't stay their vitriolic tongues for even a moment to think about what was said, and consider the virtue in a man that speaks from the heart. Luckily I've got a faith that allows me to maintain my hope in America. We can do better, we must do better, or we will one day be one more global empire on the trash heaps of history, like the Romans, or Soviets, or British, etc.

drinking the Kool-Aid
Greenberg disappoints me. He drank the liquor of ichor and failed to discriminate between the fictions Obama was throwing up. Read the church bulletin of the horrible Wrong Rev., read the letter to Oprah on page 8 and following, to see the frighteningly misguided and untrue fantasies the church--and Obama Hussein, endorse, if only by hanging around the pews tacitly agreeing for 20 long years.
And greenberg's piece is shoddy indeed for failing to tackle the underlying defensiveness and intractability of this posture adopted unconvincingly by BHO. Obama's agenda is a stealth agenda. We have no business endorsing such serpentine understories.
Paul A Ticks

dapperzapper
dapperzapper opines: "Luckily I've got a faith that allows me to maintain my hope in America."

Isn't that special.

How you can look at the three bozos who're left running for the leader of the United States and have faith in the mass of idiots who voted for them is just beyond me. They didn't learn after eight years with one nitwit in the White House. No, they want to install another nitwit in his place.

I find it absolutely antonishing that out of a population of nearly 300 milion, Obama, Clinton and McCain is the best we can do.

Can we give
this article a negative rating?

It was a good speech - So?
I disagree with Paul Greenberg that the speech answered the important questions Obama should have answered which includ "Why did you support such diatribes with your money and subject you family to such hate? How many hours did you spend telling your children that what they had just heard was hateful and off-the-wall? How many hours did you spend with the young people of the church telling them the same thing? How many young people in the church decided they were victims of white hate and dropped out of school or no longer felt it worthwhile to make an effort?

Words spoken publically to large audiences have conseqencies, and Obama's silence if he truly condemmed such (at the time, not in retrospect) is hardly laudable.

Obama and McCain.
That Obama grapples with the "complexities" of race is a fine thing. Very few people do so. Also, he has made the race issue a cornerstone of his campaign. Wonderful.

The perfect post for Obama to hold? "Person in Charge of Race Relations, United States of America." He'd be fair and would do an excellent job.

All of this brings us to John McCain. In 2009 he'd be wise to create such a position and appoint Obama to the post.

Earth to Paul Greenberg
Earth to Paul,
Let me get this straight: "Rev" Wright's decades of hate-speech vs U.S. Govt, Whitey, and outright lies and untruths about our govt's history and motives, which Obama sat through with his DAUGHTERS as they grew up ( !! ), can be explained, justified if we (Whitey) just UNDERSTAND the roots of Wright's grievances, just a little bit better......then we all can come together and racial healing will ensue. And you think that's a great speech, a logical conclusion of Wright's decades of hateful tirades. You forgot to mention the part of the speech that says we have to start shoving MORE taxes to inner-city black schools, and helping bring them out of poverty. THEN racial healing will do. The trillions of dollars since the 1960s haven't helped, so we have to spend MORE. Paul, you'be been duped by this fraudulent speech, with the old canard that Whitey hasn't done enough, that people like Rev Wright just have to be understood, let alone. Obama's speech simply carried on the poisonous aura that exists in inner-city America. HE'S NO BILL COSBY, THAT'S FOR SURE! -SBourg

Slight of hand
I think the rationale and thinking in this article was sophmoric to an extreme.

All Obama did was take us away from door #1 - Rev. Wright and introduce door #2 Race relations. He attempted to steer us away from the current demise - well, we know it worked for Greenberg.

If Obama truly wants America to be forgiving, lenient, and tolerent, he should have started with his Pastor 20 years ago.

If Obama believes what he said, he should have started with his pastor 20 years ago.

A Pastor filled with such vitriolic hate for white people and this country has no business being in the pulpit. And a Senator seeking the highest office in the land, has no business sitting in the congregation for 20 years.

Rev. Wright was not just his Pastor, but friend and mentor as well. I firmly believe this relationship prevailed because Obama believes 90% of what Wright says. Wright's preaching is classic far left rhetoric. And we all know Obama is as liberal as they come.

Make no mistake about it, Obama attempted to divert America into focusing on race relations to avoid the subject of Rev. Wright.

Totally agree with Steve-o
Greenberg is entitled to his opinion, but I have quite a different one. I must admit that I have NEVER liked Obama because he is way too far left for me.

I do not think Obama understands the anger that many whites are starting to feel. Many of us are tired of being blamed for slavery and for the discrimination that lasted long after slavery was abolished when we had nothing to do with either. I will NOT wear sack cloth and ashes for sins I did not commit, but that seems to be what Mr. Wright expects of ALL white people. Excuse me, isn't lumping all people of one race together a sign of racism? Asking us to send even more money to Washington so they can "fix" problems that have been quite resistant to being fixed due to social pathologies is NOT the answer.

Did you notice all of Obama's suggestions seem to be a one-way street? I did not hear one word about what is expected of the beneficiaries of all of our hard-earned tax dollars. I just heard that I will be taxed to death, and I had better shut up and like it.

Pulpit Politics
I attend Church regularly. If my Minister preached the vitriol Revererend Wright did towards any discernible group, I would find myself another Church and another person to be my spiritual mentor. We have been told for years that if someone tells a racist, sexist joke that we should speak up and inform the speaker that the joke is inappropriate. Should Mr. Obama not be held to the same standard?His speech was politics, pure and simple. To portray it as some form of inspiration is disingenuous.

Mr. Greenburg Is Completely Out Of Touch
What none of the big brain politicos has picked up on are some of the important nuances of Obama's speech. For instance, he made reference to the "untrained ear" of those who are turned off by Wright's rants. Speaking only as "a typical white person," I reject the idea that Obama can be excused for failing to challenge hate speech coming from the pulpit.

The left has attempted to turn this issue on the fact that "these are only excerpts" from sermons. That would be laughable if it was not such a transparent attempt to change the subject. I don't have to go through an entire garbage can to know what is inside.

Obama has shown us a frigging record of 20 YEARS of bad judgment---which was most likely the result of an attempt by this "trans-racial" candidate to build street cred with like-minded radicals, such as Reverend Wrong.

We should not take our eye off the ball. Obama is a liberal who will increase federal giveaways. He is also in favor of driver's licenses for illegals and for giving away an additional $20 BILLION in foreign aid (through the Global Poverty Act). Unacceptable in any color.

Yvonne Taylor
Speech

What Obama needs is a good therapist to work through his abandonment issues.

I'm getting really worried! If Mr Greenberg can't see through the obvious and is convinced by a single well crafted speech we are dead.

Greenburg is Wrong on Wright
Speaking as a "typical white person," I believe that Greenburg is completely off track. But then, I have one of those "untrained ears" that Mr. Big Ears himself mentioned in his speech.

There is no excuse---other than poor judgment---for failing to challenge a frigging racist for 20 years! If in fact, it was not poor judgment that kept BHO from speaking out, then what we have is nothing more than a Chicago politician using a church to build his street cred. In that case, BHO is either acting as if he is going along with the Right Racist Reverend Wrong---or, worse, BHO actually believes the trash and hate that Wrong spewed from the pulpit.

We don't have to do anything more than take the lid off a garbage can to know what's inside. Good judgment on our part requires that we put the lid back on it lest the stench is released into the neighborhood. BHO---wrong in any color.

Stuck on disown
After Obama made his speech, his critics were fast in condemning Obama for not disowning Reverend Wright. Even Obama questioned that type of thinking. How many times must Obama reject what Reverend Wright said. If Obama had done what his attackers demanded that he do. What other demands would they have made on Obama before they accepted his rejections, like the media accepted the rejection made by Hillary after Ferraro made those racist comments about Obama. The Reverends tapes not only took on a life of their own, but were given daily transfusions to keep them alive in the news. Let's see if the Hillary sniper tapes take on a life of their own, revealing who knows what about Hillary, the same way the Reverends tapes revealed that Obama was a racist, anti American, Manchurian candidate, and a Marxist. Not to mention it's Obama's character and judgment that must be questioned, because he remained a member of the Reverends church for 20 years. No one has asked Hillary why she remained with a womanizer for 20 years exposing her daughter to a man who was constantly caught playing around. No one has demanded that she explain herself. No double standards here because we favor one candidate over another.

Is there any evidence anywhere
in which Obama has tried to "bridge the gap", "reach across the aisle" or ignore partician politics? I think not. I think the opposite is true.

No, Greenberg
The speech was terrible - read from a tele-prompter after a few days of preparation - not off-the-cuff and spontaneous. The worse thing that could happen is for the US to engage in race discussions. Read Ed Kaitz's American Thinker article, March 20, 2008 "Ombma's Anger" for the main structure of a racial discussion. We have been having the discussion since the 1960s with the full force of the US Government, courtesy of the taxpayers. Greenberg, do you like the thought that Obama might have gotten into Ivy League schools via the reparations department of the US government? If you deny that, tell me where he got the money to buy his way through the schools. He borrowed the money? Which commercial bank would do such a thing without collateral - yep, via the collateral of the taxpayer. Did that education make him a "better" man? Just look at his past associations. The education didn't help him to decide a better road to travel. He must be a politician. You say that Obama's speech was an appeal to reason? Don't think so, it resurrected the memories of the many years of the gov'mint meddling in our personal affairs.

Both are disasters
Obama blew it. As a presidential candidate, his speech misses the mark. By that measure proves he is a man whose depth is too shallow to be president. He is obviously captured in the socio/political black bigotry of Black Nationalism exemplified by Wright that seeks crutches and excuses while condemning America.

I wonder why is it that the best the Democrats can do is put up Obama and Clinton as the Democrats standard barrier? That action places the country at risk considering the possibility that either could be elected.

Ignorance wins
Unbelievable column by Greenie and Parker. They buy onto the "Whitey is bad" rhetoric. Let's walk though this. Both Greenie and Parker believe that black grievance is understandable - the syphilis experiments basically mean that Blacks should never trust Whites, and should readily believe that AIDS was created by Whites to exterminate Blacks.

But what attempt has ever been made by guilty whites and knowledgeable Blacks to inform Blacks about what the real problems are and what is being done to rectify them? Do Blacks know just how much money has been spent trying to cure AIDS? Do Blacks know that there is an entire line of research, the funding of which runs in the tens of millions of dollars, simply to research and overcome the cause of health care coverage disparities? Do Blacks know anything about the efforts to cure kidney diseases that preferentially strike Blacks (including a form of kidney disease brought on by the AIDS virus itself)? Despite the fact that there assuredly must still exist racism perpetrated by Whites and skepticism of Whites by some Blacks, there still can be but one conclusion - Blacks, with the help of race hustlers like Wright (and Obama) and guilt mongers like Greenie and Parker together, armed with ignorance, perpetuate a corrupted view that White America is racist and Black America is helpless.

There are only two possibilities.
Obama MUST have known that Wright was a vile racist from the first few months of attending that church. There are only two possibilities.

1) He totally disagrees with Wright, but loves the man enough that he's willing to put aside the fact that Wright is a lunatic filled with hatred and KEEP HIM AS HIS MENTOR AND "SPIRITUAL ADVISOR" anyway - and continue to expose his children to that for their entire lives.

2) He agrees with Wright, but is lying to the rest of us in order to get himself elected president, where he can work on fulfilling the "Black Power" dreams of his mentor and guide, and their church.

#1 could be possible - but would be evidence of absolutely terrible judgement- so bad that he should be totally disqualified for any political office, let alone president.

#2 doesn't seem believable either- but we KNOW that Obama is perfectly capable of lying (and has been caught at it multiple times), and he's TOTALLY believable when he does lie.

So which of these two is more likely - that he's stupid and has terrible judgement, or that he too is a vile racist and a liar?

Kind of ironic that Greenberg ends
this column, in which his normally astutes power of reason failed him miserably, with "(t)he light of reason."

maverick wrote:
"How many times must Obama reject what Reverend Wright said."

Only once, maverick. Twenty years ago, when he first became aware of it.

The Speech
Senator Obama turned a Rev. Wright sermon on blame white America into an eloquent speech on racism. The blame white America game is over. Blacks are victims because of their own black leaders and professional, political parasites who keep them on the dole and in poverty where neighborhoods are turned into ghettos and criminal gangs thrive 24/7.

Three generations of blacks have had the same opportunities as Oprah Winfrey, wealthiest black woman in the world and Barack Obama who may have had the opportunity to become the first black President of the United States of America.

Does Barack Obama hate America? Does Obama hate America? Rev. James David Manning, PhD who is a black Pastor with a different perspective says, “YES HE DOES.”
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6RyOPTtzTvI&feature=related


Martin Luther King, Jr. was pivotal in the "Civil Rights Act" becoming law. After the MLK, JR. assassination the "Civil Rights Act" was undermined by some members of his family, the NAACP, ACLU, Black Panthers, Nation of Islam leader, Louis Farrakan, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

And now add Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr., Pastor of the Trinity United church of Christ in Southside Chicago, Obama's mentor, friend and spiritual guide for more than 20 years who preached hatred of white America, white Americans and Jews from his pulpit and sold videos of his venomous sermons round the world.

Lack of courage
Obama could have said that the anti-semetic, anti-American racist rantings of that raving loon have no place today. He had the chance to say to white America, "I forgive you". He lacked the courage to say either, instead parroting the Wright/Jackson/Sharpton lies that such idiocy is justified by past white behavior.

I've heard this BS all my life, and I plead not guilty. I also plead tired of hearing the same old s**t. Obama wishes to continue the same old victimhood status of blacks, forever excusing them from getting their acts together.

It is, and has been for my whole life, illegal to discriminate against people of color. At the same time, discrimination against whites is not only legal, but required.

We wii never completely eliminate racism in this country, but the biggest part of racial discord today comes from so=called black "reverends" who make a fancy living off racial strife.

Senator Obama race speech
I was amazed about the Senator speech addressing the many virulent ones made by his pastor, which were full of hatred and senesless condemnation of our country and its people. For all these twenty years or so, the Senaotor just sat silent and when it comes time to say something he simply repudiated the pastor's statements, but not the man. It's just like the world condemned WWII, but not Adolf Hitler. This Senator has no moral courage to make things right, therefore he has no standing quality to be our next commander in chief. The speech reflects the character of the person who made it.

b. hussein obama
The great black BIGOT!

The purpose of the speech was to divert the focus from his relationship with wright to all us typical white folk.

Apparently it worked on some!

Barack Obama
In 1983 Barack Obama graduated from Columbia University and while still in his mid twenties began working as a community organizer on the south side of Chicago. Having grown up without a father and in a non religious environment it was then that he began attending Trinity United Church of Christ and met the pastor of the church, Rev. Wright, a black man 20 years his senior, who became influential in his life and became part of his family, his “adopted uncle”, and who helped Barack Obama become a Christian believer.
Barack Obama has vigorously denounced Wright's hyperbolic, 1960s style radical rhetoric that Wright used in his sermons of 2001 that is based on Wright's extreme anger and bitterness which Obama understands but doesn't share. But Barack Obama has refused to disown his "adopted uncle" simply for political expediency.
Disagree with his liberalism if you want, but Barack Obama is a man of superior intelligence and strong character.

Saren
You make a good point: "For all these twenty years or so, the Senator just sat silent and when it comes time to say something he simply repudiated the pastor's statements, but not the man." Well said.

But not only did he not condemn the person who, to this day, still utters that racist, anti-American crap to children, but threw his "typical white" grandmother under the bus while appeasing his racist mentor.

I understand
the roots of Wrights grievances:

H-A-T-E: to dislike intesely; detest. 2. to wish to shun, to feel hatred, an untense feeling of dislike, a person or thing detested.

B-I-T-T-E-R-N-E-S-S: showing or feeling resentment

B-I-G-O-T-R-Y: the state or condition of being a bigot, bitter intolerance


refatsew
Save it for the yokels and the morons on the Daily Kos.

A man of character wouldn't vilify his own grandmother for political expediency while dropping to his knees in front of a Racist like Wright, who is still preaching Black Liberation Theology.

Paul Greenberg.

Paul, I usually agree with your commentaries.

But definately not today.

Have you read Thomas Sowell's piece called "The Audacity of Rhetoric" also published on TH?

Maybe you should.

Only one race, just ask any animal
There is only 1 race: HUMAN.

Just ask any animal.

They will teach you they do not see a black person or a white person, they just see a HUMAN.

And they know there are only 2 kinds of humans, good and bad.

God said “Ask the animals and they will TEACH you.”
-Job: 12: 7-9

If humans would've learned that simple fact from the beginning, there wouldn't have been slavery in the first place. Now, years later we're like still doing the same thing, like a dog going back to its vomit.

"As a dog goes back to its vomit, so a fool repeats his stupidity."
-Proverbs 26:11

Obama's speech did not unite anyone, just look at the results, yet even MORE division. And based on skin color of all things?

People, let us go FORWARD and not backward. Flush the toilet, don't put your hands in it.

refatsew
Interesting. Why would you adopt an uncle with extreme bitterness and anger that you don't share, yet allow the same guy to be influential in your life? It's more than a minor contradiction. Perhaps it's possible that Obama 'owned' Wright in the first place and won't totally disown him now, both due to political expediency. Furthermore, as the most liberal Senator in Congress, I don't find it difficult to believe that Obama shares many of the same beliefs as Senators to the right of him, such as Dick Durbin and Teddy Kennedy, who also echo many of the same anti-American ideas as Wright and guys like Ward Churchill.

OBAMA REJECTED HIS WHITE HALF

.....When Obama sought "racial identity" he choose to be black ...not only black, but left wing radical black ...this is the man that is going to unite White and Black America? ...

.....He can't even reconcile his own white and black halves .....COLOSSUS

PAUL MUST'VE EATEN TOO MUCH EASTER CANDY
And Paul, was the Easter Bunny good to you?

a reasoned voice
greenburg tells the truth.

i enjoy townhall very much because as a left center liberal i like to have my beliefs challenged by articulate and intelligent conservatives.

sometimes my beliefs are confirmed and sometimes i have to re-think them.

sometimes though townhall posters can fall into group think and believe that everyone sees things the way they do when that is not accurate.

obama's speech is a perfect example.

even most conservative writers like goldberg have praised it.

more importantly it seems to have reached out to many americans .

here is a poll from north carolina which shows white voters moving TO obama after the speech.

yes i know it is only one poll and could be innacurate but never-the-less is an indication that not everyone agrees with the negative conclusions many posters are drawing.

Raleigh, N.C. – After a week in which Barack Obama made several appearances in
North Carolina and confronted the controversy with his pastor by making a major speech
on race, he has expanded his lead in North Carolina to 21 points.
Obama leads Clinton 55-34 in the state. His gains were particularly strong in the
Triangle, the media market where his major speech on the war last week in Fayetteville
got the greatest amount of attention.
Obama also pulled within a 47-40 margin of Clinton with white voters after trailing
Clinton 56-30 last week, an indication that his speech on race in Philadelphia last week
may have earned him some points.

We get what we deserve
If Obama doesn't agree with everything Wright spewed, apparently his wife does. I wonder how his children will feel about this country with a mother who "has never been proud of it until now" and a crazy uncle who supports "the mother country" and damns the USA.

Barack Obama made it clear where his loyalties lie when he held his white grandmother up to ridicule, and as an enemy of blacks, while praising his hate-mongering pastor.

If, as religiouslib posted, Obama's poll numbers increased that dramatically after his "blame whitey" speech, then it is possible that voters across this country will be gullible enough to elect him (if he gets the nomination). If that occurs, then it will be truer than ever before that we get what we deserve.

religiouslib
What did you like about Obama's speech?

greenday
generally i appreciated the fact that he was the first politician (white or black) who not only challenged us but talked to us as adults on this issue.

he touched on why some blacks are stuck in the past and on why some whites resent the idea that blacks seem to get opportunities simply becuase they are black.

he challenged us to think past the old conversations we have had.

americans under 50 have a more open attitude in this area.
they have grown up with michael, tiger and oprah and don't see race in the definitive terms that those over 50 (both black and white do).

that is why wright is not a factor for many younger whites because they recognize he is "oldschool" and does not represent obama or the majority of blacks in this country.

tuxedoexpress
bill oreilly the other night said on the air that he had a grandmother just like obama's and had to talk to her about ther fear of blacks.

so did oreilly throw his grandmother under the bus or did obama find a common thread that both black and white americans can relate to.

BHO is not only about stereotyping white

people with his comments about the "typical white person". He is also about a Christianity that justifies cursing. I can understand, somewhat, being sympathetic to blacks who have been subjected to discrimination and as a result say racist things. It is more difficult to understand belonging to church where the pastor uses the Lord's name in vain from the pulpit during services. This is BHO's form of Christianity. Follow the pastor who uses God's name in vain. Where will BHO lead America? That is the real question.

Do you suppose Obama rose to his feet like the rest of the congregation when the pastor used the Lord's name in vain?

Who among you are teaching their

daughters that it is racist to be wary of young black men who are acting threatening towards them?

Religious lib
I don't think Obama is the first politician to talk as he did on race, with a mature perspective. and while there may be an element of similarity between Obama's Pastor and his Grandmother, that slid his talk into a race argument (a common fear of the races argument), when the real issue remains the same: How can Obama justify choosing to associate with a man for 20 years whom he characterizes as angry and bitter. How can he reject Wright's extreme positions - seemingly only when forced to do so for political expediency - yet remain in the church. I reject Greenberg's statement that implies everyone has had a Pastor/Priest/reverend who embarrasses with political views. I've known at least 15 such men who never espoused political views.
Finally, Obama's record in the Senate places him far to the left, left of the guys like Durbin, Kennedy, Murtha, Pelosi, Reed, Leahy, etc. - all who have made anti-American POLITICAL comments very similar to Wright and the far left crowd in America. So I have my doubts whether he really rejects all the controversial statements the Rev. has made. If you read his books (see quotes in Sowell's column), you get the sense that he does indeed agree with a good portion of them.

So I'll grant you that there is fear Blacks by some Whites (particularly older Whites) and skepticism about White motives among Blacks (more likely the folks who attend A church with a Pastor like Wright), but that point is really not relevant to the questions regarding Obama's judgment and ideology.

greenday
let us not forget reagan's close relationship with jerry falwell who said among other things:

God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve,

The Jews are returning to their land of unbelief. They are spiritually blind and desperately in need of their Messiah and Savior.

AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharoah's chariotters

Feminism encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

God does not hear the prayers of a Jew.

Billy Graham is the chief servant of Satan

than we have this statement from a falwell associate

In many respects, Dr. Falwell's legacy is forever linked to Ronald Reagan. I believe it is safe to say that, in may ways, Jerry Falwell made Ronald Reagan who he was and Ronald Reagan made Jerry Falwell who he was. They were inseparable friends, which is a credit to both men.

here is the link for that quote by chuck baldwin

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/baldwin/070518


so its ok for reagan to be "inseparable friends" with a minister who said hateful things but not for obama.

Is a typical white person good or bad?
A college prof asked his classes: Is a buffalo tall?

After some discussion, he stated, "There are tall buffalos and short buffalos."

The expression "a typical white person" is racism in its purest form.

And Obama still has Frank Marshall Davis to contend with. "Frank" as he was called by Obama in his book, "Dreams of My Father," was O's "mentor" during his formative years. He was also a communist who acted in accordance with Russia and a card carrying member of the Communist Party-USA (CPUSA).

Just waiting for the OTHER (typical) shoe to drop.

WWTLD - what would Trent Lott do?
On the occasion of Strom Thurmond's 100th birthday, Trent Lott showed arguably poor political judgment by making glowing remarks designed to make a really old bigot happy in his last days on earth. Lott was apologetic, but the damage was done and he resigned. Obama has shown poor political judgment by aligning himself with Rev Wright and his church, excusing the bigotry and marinating his children in racist vitriol every Sunday. We could say there is a double standard, but the more intellectually adroit among us see an opening for enlightened racial discussion. huh?

ko
it has nothing to do with intellectual adroitness, but the changing of the conversation.

you say this:

"marinating his children in racist vitriol every Sunday"

exactly how many sermons have you heard wright preach to be able to state that as a fact.

we have heard 5 minute snippets from 20 years of sermons.

but you know for a fact that it was like that every sunday. how do you know that?


SESummers
To be fair there is a third possibility.

You say either he loves Wright or he believes Wright.

He could also have remained attached to Wright for political reasons, and for whatever reason, failed to distance himself when entering national politics.

It would have been a foolish oversight, but not the first time even successful politicians have made a similar error. Remember Gary Hart's "just follow me if you think I'm cheating" comment?

This post makes no sense
Greenberg: “If we keep feeding those little devils within, whatever racial or ethnic or class or personal grievances they feed upon, they will only grow stronger, more voracious, till they devour us.”

Wouldn’t you say that this is exactly what the good Rev. Wright was doing – feeding racism with his hateful public rhetoric? So logically, shouldn’t you be taking Obama to task for not removing himself from that environment years ago?

Here’s my take on it: nice speech but actions speak louder than words. There simply is no good explanation for Obama’s decision to remain a member of that church and worse, to embrace Rev. Wright. No excuse.

Finally
Unforgiveness and as a so called theologian, pastor and preacher of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
he should be familiar with
Mark 11:25,26: And when ye stand praying forgive, if ye have aught against any, that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
The above is the inerrant word of God, not the gospel of James Cone father of Black Liberation Theology. Jermiah Wright and his ilk cannot serve two masters.

religous lib
We don't know if Rev Wright's church was like that every week. But I'm disappointed Obama wasn't savvy enough to get ahead of this a year ago before it blew. He had to know this would be fodder for his opponents - if he had marched the entire issue out discussed it and buried it he would have been much better off. But alas hindsight is 20-20 – and in politics it can be fatal.

I don't like Obama's liberal views but I had been comfortable enough with him to accept him as a better person than Hillary and a potential racial healer - this issue however I think is going to kill his ability to win in November. It isn’t that I think he is a black Nationalist or racist or Manchurian candidate, but a man that needed to establish himself in his community as black enough. It just seems too cynical. I know too many older white Democrats that will either vote against him (or not vote at all) because of this significant inconsistency.


southerncon
"...I'm disappointed Obama wasn't savvy enough to get ahead of this a year ago before it blew."

This is the difference between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives would hope their candidate had the good judgment and good character to remove themselves from this situation early on based on principle, while liberals wish their candidate was politically ‘savvy’ enough to get out just in time – before the public caught on. Nice.


religiouslib
Changing of the conversation from 'what' to 'what'? We've finally moved from the point where a white man must fall on his sword over a one-time gaff to the point where a black man can blithely accept bigotry of the right sort? So you think Obama is the vanguard of a new racial enlightenment? He could have made a stronger case if he were to have distanced himself from Rev Wright and his church long ago.

religiouslib
Again, I think your mixing apples and oranges. Falwell was not a surrogate authority/father figure to Reagan, nor was he a Pastor/spirtual advisor to Reagan. In addition, Reagan had a clear track record as to what he would do as president from his time in California and his many addresses on radio, on various campaign trails for himself and others and at Party functions, including Conventions.

Even so, you seem to be trying to say that Reagan's linkage with Falwell was bad, therefore you must agree that Obama's link with Wright is at least as much a problem. So I'm glad we agree that Wright is a problem for Obama.

A couple of other points. First, Falwell had a handful of terrible comments over a long productive career, most (if not all) of which he apologized for - we've yet to see if Wright will disavow his own more extensive comments. Second, Fallwell was part of the religious right movement, that was a direct response to Roe V. Wade and school prayer laws. Are you now saying that Reagan couldn't accept the help of those who believed in some of the same core issues he cared about. Should Obama be responsible for everything posted on Moveon.org?

TALENt AND HARD WORK STILL SEEM TO COUNT
Barack says he understands why Rev Jeremiah Wright is angry

Still trying
I am still trying to figure out exactly which part of Barack Obama is patriotic. Is it the part that won't put his hand over his heart when saying the Pledge of Allegiance? The part that uses "the race" speech to divert attention completely away from Jeremiah Wright? The part that parks his rear end in a racist, anti-American and hatred-based church for 20 years?

It is incredible to me that anyone is willing to even consider this yokel as a candidate for anything. He has NO real record of accomplishments, and the record he is piling up publicly in the Presidential race is pretty paltry.

Fortunately for the vile likes of Jeremiah Wright, he lives in a country where he is protected even as he shouts his anti-American sentiments from a pulpit. But there is NO EXCUSE for Barack Obama sitting there with his finger in his ear for 20 years. President??? Don't he absurb.

TALENT AND HARD WORK STILL SEEM TO COUNT
Jeremiah Wright is mired in the past and it's time Barack brought him up to date. Talented, motivated people, even in the black community, seem to be doing alright. The sports world is replete with highly paid members of minority groups, as are the cinema and TV areas. Politics has a respectable contingent of them and Academe, I gather, is not far behind. Tiger Woods, Oprah Winfrey, Michael Jordan, Derek Jeter, George Foreman, Morgan Freeman, Denzel Washington, Colon Powell,Condoleesa Rice, Charlie Rangell, Clarence Thomas, Dr Thomas Sowell, even Barack Obama, to name just a few. All highly talented, highly motivated and hugely successful.

Certainly all of these folks have worked hard to attain their goals, perhaps even encountered prejudice along the way, but they persisted and were successful in a country, which I maintain bears no resemblance to the one painted by people like the Revs Jeremiah Wright, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton or Luis Farrikan.


I am still waiting
for some of the "other" and "non-racist" sermons to be played for all. What a relief it will be as all the Wright defenders crush his cherry-picking critics with hours of sermons preaching unity, forgiveness and the brotherhood of man.

Obama's Speech
I am a 70 year old "typical white person" who witnessed the Civil Rights Movement. I was thrilled when BO came on the scene, and along with millions of conservatives I believed his message of hope and change for America. But I was sickened by his speech because it revealed he is nothing more than a gifted, ivy league racist.

In case
you were wondering who Wright would slam next?

http://video.newsmax.com/?assetId=V2021230&s=al&promo_code =4808-1

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
Write in a name folks, it is still a free country! Well, until McQuack comes up with more ideals on how to kill free speech

Integrity leaves when lunacy enters.....
I hope I never in my ignorant youth bought into the idiotic concept of "hate the sin, love the sinner" as quoted by Greenberg. Sin is an expression of the heart of the sinner and that means we should hate the sinner as well as his sin because they are inextricably united, bound together with bands of spiritual steel. Jeremiah Wright is an evil man who says evil things fully deserving of the immense animus generated in the American public by his hate sermons. To do less than hate him is to join forces with evil while hating all that is good because one cannot love evil and good simultaneously.

To say, as does Greenberg, that we should overlook mindless moral atrocities from the pulpit because it is to be expected of everyone is sheer nonsense, the shallow drivel of a superficial mind. I have left more than a few churches upon hearing lunacy from the pulpit, sometimes marching resolutely out the middle isle during the sermon and shaking my head in disapproval, no less. A man of staunch moral integrity can do no less without compromising his conscience. Where Obama is concerned, however, I suspect that a moral and intellectual monster like him who supports abortion and extremely dangerous anti-depressant pharmaceuticals for expectant and new mothers has no moral conscience to compromise. It has been thoroughly seared by long acquiescence to vile concepts entirely beyond our comprehension—likely those of Satanic Islam.


Who?
"Savage Negroes"

Haitian refugees "subhuman infiltrators";

remarked that the United States contained "millions of subhumanoids,

No, don't worry this wasn't Wright, so it's ok, it's Hannities mentor.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050620/blumenthal

EMPTY SUIT FLAPPING IN THE WIND
Usually I agree with mr. Greenberg. Not this time.

It reminded me of an Illinois political commercial lately where the opposition had been caught saying that there was no problem that couldn't be fixed if you throw enough money at it.

Well, we've done that. We've bent over backward to make sure that there's a level playing field. As far as I'm concerned there is a level playing field, and no group should "get" more than another. Not anymore.

But that is precisely what O. wants. Weren't you listening?

And, by the way, I've never heard anything, anything, said by a pastor or minister or preacher or priest that made me want to cringe. Never. O.'s "reverend," from the sounds of things, has some fairly radical rantings that if I said them I'd be tried for treason. He should be, too. Anybody who says what that "reverend" says is a traitor. And if he doesn't like it he can get out of Dodge. The sooner the better.

Like my mother used to say
"you are judged by the company you keep" - guess that belongs to the "olden days" when people believed in personal responsibility and accountability.

Mr. Greenberg, I disagree with you that this speech did any good - he just showed that he, along with most politicians, is a master at changing the subject.

Never in all my years of attending churches in various parts of our beautiful country have I EVER heard such vitriolic statements - not from the pews and certainly not from the pulpit! This church should have its religious tax exemption removed immediately!

Hearing the message of "Rev." Wright was enlightening as I questioned why Mrs. Obama would have never been proud of her country before now. After listening to that garbage week after week, I guess one wouldn't feel any pride in America. I do NOT think she would be a very good first lady of the United States of America and I do NOT think he would be a good president. God help America if that ends up the case!

I can't believe what I just read
I hope this is the last column where Paul uses Chris Matthews as a ghost writer. I know that must have been what happened, because the Paul I have been reading for several years is to intelligent to fall for a speech made out of political necessity by a far left politician that never explained why he chose to associate with a hate-spewing, blame whitey spiritual mentor for 20-years. Although, I did gather that it was somehow my fault (I'm a typical white male) that Jeremiah White turned out to be a racist. By the way, I have been attending church virtually every Sunday for 66+ years, and while I have occasionally disagreed with something that was said, I can't think of a single outrageous remark.

No, it's not
"Barack Obama's speech last Tuesday is still the talk of the country - and should be."

It's been about a week since this was mentioned in the Washington Post. Oh, right! That's because they report on CURRENT events! Only on TH do I seen columnist after columnist harping on and on and on about this. Can we have a story on something new, please?

Mr. Greenberg -- You're kidding, right?
Greenberg must be kidding us on this one, in the Loyal Democrat vein. In fact, we haven't seen Loyal Democrat posts lately -- maybe it was Greenberg after all.

Mr. Greenberg -- if you weren't kidding, please read the excellent articles by most of the other Townhall columnists, some of whom have written two or more on this topic. I would recommend in particular:

David Limbaugh, 3/21/08: ". . . Obama's forte is not, as many have suggested, waxing eloquent while saying nothing. His real gift is saying one thing while appearing to say the opposite, so mellifluously and disarmingly that audiences shake their heads in affirmation of the very proposition they oppose. Without changing their minds, they believe they have agreed with him. Amazing -- and scary. . . ."

Thomas Sowell, 3/19/08: ". . . Someone once said that a con man's job is not to convince skeptics but to enable people to continue to believe what they already want to believe. . . ."

Anyway, Greenberg has attained the rare one-star rating. And well deserved, whether the article is serious or satire.

For shame, Paul Greenberg!
"Lord knows that's true enough. Who has not been embarrassed by a minister's using the pulpit to parade his politics?"

Um... me? I go to church to hear about the salvation of my soul, not about what "The US of KKK A" is doing wrong this week.

I can understand, even admire, Obama not abandoning the minister as a private friend because of a good turn Wright had done him. I cannot understand continuing to sit in the pews and listen to that kind of racist screed for years. And years. And years. And as other posters have pointed out, expose his children to it, as well. Does he go home every Sunday and explain to them why "we should just all get along, in spite of what your minister is telling you?"

What Obama's speech did for me was point out how rather than being the much-vaunted "post-racial" man, he is a "man of parts," as in, part white, part black, and we (the 75% of the voting public who is white) are only seeing his whiteface.

If he were truly a man for whom race was not an issue, why would he persist in attending a church where race is the ONLY issue?

alright already
I do believe if a negative rating had been in effect, this column would have rated one! He got my 1* for sure! It is scary to think that an educated person could take this smarmy (how about that, Lynne) politician's deceptive words to heart. Looks like he didn't fool all of us!

I didn't get the memo...
I didn't realize Hannity was running for president. I must have missed that news report.

Also, I find it interesting that some are saying...Obama addressed the issue (if only), it is time to move on....time to stop talking about this.

As I recall, as a country we have addressed the issue of slavery, discrimination, etc--when can we move on from those issues?

Right.....?
Obviously this article is satire. If not then Mr Greenjeans needs to pull his head out of Obama's .....

The Cherry Pickers?
I can't count the number of times I or anyone I consider a friend/mentor/advisor have said "God damn America", "US KKK of A" and other typical remarks like this. Wait..yes I can count the times..the number is 0 (zero).

What a waste of breath and space Mr wright and his prodigy Obama are.

ONE STAR
It's akin to leaving a penny as a waitress's tip at a table for four. It lets her know exactly what her "service" was worth.

Three other ladies and I did this once when it was obvious that the waitress cared nothing for a table of ladies but fawned all over tables occupied by "gentlemen." Normally we tipped over the average.

My husband and I did this once when our waitress was, first, surly, and second, when she threw our plates in front of us. We wondered what we had done to her. My husband is normally an over-tipper.

Both times, leaving pennies as tips was quite gratifying.

So was clicking one star for Paul Greenberg -- this time anyway.

Speech
I was not as appalled by Wright's speech as by the enthusiasm with which his audience received it. Racism lives!
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