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Monday, February 25, 2008
Paul Greenberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
Words, Words, Words: The Decline of American Eloquence
by Paul Greenberg
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It was sad, watching the two remaining contenders for the Democratic presidential nomination engage in a civil little sparring match Thursday night. Because it was hard not to note, once again, the long slow decline of political debate in this country since Abraham Lincoln and Stephen A. Douglas thought out and fought out the great issues of their day. Those were real debates rather than a joint press conference.

I would rather have heard less from my colleagues in the ever-intrusive media and more from the candidates themselves. It would be a step up if the press weren't involved in these productions at all except to report and comment on them. Matters were better arranged in the series of seven great debates between Mr. Lincoln and Judge Douglas in 1858.

But it is useless to dream of returning to that style of political engagement. Man, homo faber, doesn't just shape his tools, they in turn shape his mind. And our technology, in this case, television, long ago turned presidential debates into a contest between competing applause lines. Result: Instead of thought, we get sound bites.

These days the best one can hope for is that we the people will see past the snappy rejoinders and associated razzmatazz, and compare the candidates themselves - their records, character, qualifications and promise as well as their positions on the issues. But that civic duty seems to get harder every presidential year as television whittles away at our collective attention span. The "progress" of political debate in this country from 1856 to 2008 might be enough to disprove any theory of evolution.

It was good to hear the memory of Barbara Jordan invoked Thursday night - at least three times by my count. She was one of the most inspiring orators of her time as well as a constitutional scholar of some note. Her rhetoric was soaring, but that doesn't mean it wasn't well grounded, too. It had the best of foundations: the Constitution of the United States.

Congresswoman, professor and mother courage, Barbara Jordan was a well of both thought and inspiration. She was the Mahalia Jackson of political rhetoric. She combined the best attributes of both Booker T. Washington and W.E.B. Du Bois, that is, an eye for the practical and an unswerving dedication to liberty.

Barbara Jordan was her own person - the very antithesis of groupthink. Her refusal to be pigeonholed by race or class or ideology was a constant refreshment, as was the love of the Constitution that permeated her every pronouncement. How she is missed. If only her party would produce a worthy successor. But that, too, is unlikely in these mediocre times for public speech.

In one of her less than astute moves, Hillary Clinton tried to dismiss Barack Obama's gift for rhetoric as just words. I would have loved to see her try that routine on Barbara Jordan; there wouldn't have been much of Sen. Clinton left after that. She'd have been blown away by the sheer force of Barbara Jordan's magnificent, inspiring, imperative words - and the heights to which they took anyone with the heart and soul and mind to be moved by them.

Never to have heard Barbara Jordan speak was to miss one of the great American experiences - educational and spiritual - of the 20th century. May her memory go beyond a politic invocation of her name. Here's hoping her spirit will be born again.

Hillary Clinton's low point during Thursday night's was clear to all: when she stuck with her silly charge of plagiarism against her opponent. It seems Barack Obama had borrowed a rhetorical device from a friend, supporter, and fellow governor (Deval Patrick in Massachusetts) to illustrate the power of words after Sen. Clinton had denigrated their importance in politics.

The only thing Sen. Obama had to do to make his case was to recite some familiar passages, like the Declaration of Independence. The power of those words is evident. Plagiarism? This was more a natural response from anybody with some polemical talent.

But poor Hillary Clinton kept trying to make a mountain out of her molehill. It's her accusation, however unfounded, and she's sticking with it. The audience didn't seem to buy it. There's something worse than fighting dirty in a hard-fought campaign, and that's fighting dumb.

American eloquence may be in decline, but most Americans still recognize that words have power, and the inspiration they provide shouldn't be underestimated. That was Hillary Clinton's big mistake. In a way, it's been the big mistake of her whole campaign. She seems to have no feel at all for the poetry of politics.

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Malaise.
Perhaps Barbara Jordan spoke to real issues.

Manufacturing Debates
The Media is in the debate business, we've manufactured these little get-togethers to the "D", because between the campaign managers, and their handlers, the press and their analyst, and the networks, by the time the audience gets involved we're talking "Survivor The Presidential Campaign Debate Edition" complete with a little tears and plagiarism thrown.
"Ishoes we don need no steeenking isshoes".
The difference between Hillary and Barack is the preacher cadence, and I have to give Hillary her due, she tried it, the " I ain't no way's tired speech" it worked for a hot minute, but Obama has the five of the hottest chicks working for him right now, his first wife Michelle, his work wife Oprah and Hope, Faith & Change throw in a couple of amens see-saw his voice up and down like he's singing just like the preacher's do-HELLO! women swoon men drool and the Ishoes, we don need no steeenking ishoes.

The love fest endeth
Hillary's pique finally surfaced full flower in the defining moment when she screamed in her shrill petulant tantrumlike proclamation:

SHAME ON YOU...........BARACK OBAMA

when he dared to have the audacity to correctly state her flipflopped position on NAFTA, a program which she formerly praised.

As I watched Hillary's rather defining moment when the REAL Hillary came to the surface, I couldn't help but wonder if she said the same thing to hubby Bill when the stain on the blue dress defined that moment in history........

SHAME ON BOTH OF YOU, HILL & BILL!!!

Notice how Barack has "appropriated" the Edward's style of the long drawn out Annnnnnnnnd as he tries to collect his thoughts, he's using that little trick of fancy pants John rather often. This adds to his catalog of eleoquent speech techniques 101, the other common one is LOOK!!!! as he points his finger.

Guess his Mommy wasn't able to teach him that it's not nice?

I have the whole Civil War series...
... By Ken Burns,and I watch it once or twice a year.When the series first came out I was struck by the literacy of both the common soldiers and the educated elite.Their use of the English language would put modern America to shame. Burns used mostly letters and diarys of Privates to Generals,and one of my favorite was in the second hour when a Union Major is writing to his wife in Maine,telling her he is about to go South to combat He died at the first battle of Bull Run.Hollywood could not make this stuff up because they simply don't have the writers.

A Fascinating Debate
I watched a great debate between Alan Dershowitz and Alan Keyes a few years back, held at a college. It was like watching two great heavyweight fighters in their primes, going at it toe-to-toe. Both opponents scored some great flurries and powerful headshots, but I would have to call the contest a draw (as much as I was rooting for Keyes - of course).

Instead of the media hosting, we should demand that the presidential debates be hosted by a university. With one profesor from each side of the political spectrum as co-moderators, and co-questioners.

I would nominate Walter Williams of George Mason from our side. I'd pay good money to see Walter make Obama squirm and sweat.

Is it just more of the same?

Democratic majority good for K Street’s bottom line
Is it just more of the same?

THEHILL-New limits on the access lobbyists have to lawmakers have not hurt K Street’s bottom line as several top lobbying shops reported strong revenue growth in 2007.

Patton Boggs continued to set the pace in terms of money generated by lobbying. The law firm earned $42.7 million in 2007, making it the first firm to earn more than $40 million in one year from advocacy. In 2006, Patton Boggs generated $35.1 million in revenue, which was also good enough to put it on top of The Hill’s annual survey of lobbying revenue.

Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld also enjoyed strong growth. Its revenues grew 24 percent on earnings of $32 million in 2007, compared to $25.9 million in 2006.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/democratic-majorit y-good-for-k-street%e2%80%99s-bottom-line

Rhetoric is not taught anymore
Daddy went to a small prairie school in the 1930s and early 1940s, and among many other things, public speaking and rhetoric were taught. Children were assigned readings from the old McGuffy Reader and had to, every Friday, speak them before the class and such adults as had the time and inclination to attend, as the orators who wrote them intended them to be spoken. Most of these boys and girls would remain farmers all their lives, and many would go off to war -- but every one of them could frame an argument and speak up in meeting without shouting YOU SUCK!

Today the general feeling is that *You suck* is a witty riposte to a reasoned query, or -- as is frequently seen here -- name calling and ad hominem attacks.

As of this school year in Toronto, teachers are forbidden to impose deadlines for handing in work or to refuse to take work even after the semester is over. I personally can hardly wait until these foul mouthed, vulgar, entitled beings start trying this trick before their employers -- and using their profane and name-calling *rhetoric* before Mr. Justice Jones.

And Let Me Say One More Thing
That was Hitlery heaping abuse on the protocol in last evenings debate. Sorta like Chris Matthews after asking a guest for an opinion. Here are some good words Greenberg - Hillary, shut up for a minute and give us a rest. What an obnoxious pair of people, the Klinktons. Okay, Barbara Jordon has a lot of personal accomplishments, but what is she known for otherwise - except espousing liberal words?

To Nam's point
Back when the framers took the wisdom of the ages and distilled it into our Constitution, the electorate would discuss the issues leading up to it's ratification in the coffee houses of the day while reading the Federalist Papers.

These were folks who in many cases were the product of one room schoolhouses, but education was valued.

Common folks who were far better educated on the issues of their times than this hip-hop generation of today who can't find Iraq on a map and couldn't care less.

It has always been my opinion that the liberals had a long term plan to take over the schools and indoctrinate the youth with their socialism, dumbing down our history and denigrating the framers as racists not to be listened to in a modern setting.

This election will prove once and for all if Americans are more interested in preserving the unique heritage we have, paid for in blood by patriots of many generations or have we devolved into a bunch of whiny children who will vote for a socialist of the democrat stripe who will put the nail in our collective coffin.

Obama will come up short

Obama is practicing on stage right now. When the curtain opens and he has to act in a real play, this is when his rhetoric will expose his lack of depth.

Nam65-66
You have probably seen on the internet tests from 50 years ago...tests for 8th grade students...which college grads of today would flunk.

On specialized knowledge, certain areas like medicine, engineering, there has been exponential growth.

But the general literacy of the people has radically deteriorated. It should be a national source of embarrassment.

I remember Barbara Jordan. I am not quite as smitten with her eloquence as Greenberg, but she was still quite impressive. I have no information as to her expertise on our constitution, but she was a spell-binding orator.

I think the Clinton campaign is done. We can stick a fork in it.

What matters now is whether she and Obama make "nicey-nicey".

McCain's best shot is for alot of bitterness to exist between the Obama and Hillary camps.

But I don't think the party leaders will let that happen.

Pre-fab "debates"
Watching debates as the fields have narrowed, it seems like the object is to stifle as much actual debate as possible.

It becomes more and more difficult to see these "debates" as little more than zombie movies: some people love such fare, while others tire of seeing the same thing over and over, such that a little goes a long way and will suffice. Five minutes perhaps...much like a bloody traffic accident: you are drawn to the unusually gruesome, but don't pull off the road and take a seat with a good view. A brief prayer might be in order, but...

Seems like the trick is to have a debate without rational arguments so much as appeals to emotion or thinly-veiled bribes. "Vote for me, and I'll set you free." The Temptations got this one right about forty years ago. The "Ball of Confusion" has just expanded over time.

A pox on both houses: I vote a straight-republican ticket at every opportunity...to vote for the lesser of two evils.

The only thing worse than voting for creeping socialism is not to vote at all or vote for a free lunch. I suspect that if those who make no effort to follow current affairs wouldn't vote, we might start getting better candidates. Eliminating Spanish ballots would be nice, too. (You have to be an American or learn to speak English to become a naturalized citizen. Spanish ballots are an abomination.)

Seems like we're being tested to see just how much nonsense we'll swallow...and it seems like we're scoring pretty well! Had Bill Clinton waited another 10 years, he might have gotten more than 50% of the vote both times.




Nine Innings

"This election will prove once and for all if Americans are more interested in preserving the unique heritage we have, paid for in blood by patriots of many generations or have we devolved into a bunch of whiny children who will vote for a socialist of the democrat stripe who will put the nail in our collective coffin." ... Seawolf

America plays its best game when she has her back up against the wall.

Exactly
"This election will prove once and for all if Americans are more interested in preserving the unique heritage we have, paid for in blood by patriots of many generations or have we devolved into a bunch of whiny children who will vote for a socialist of the democrat stripe who will put the nail in our collective coffin."

Exactly. And that's why I won't vote for the gutless coward Democratic liberal John McCain, who doesn't have a clue on how to win the war on terror.

In those one-room schools
the younger kids could see and hear what was acceptable to the teacher and aspire to it. All assignments required correct spelling, pronunciacion, punctuation and useage at all levels. This I learned from my parents & grandparents who insisted on it from us kids.
I, in turn, did the same to mine as time permitted. These are requirements no longer in the vast majority of shcools. On top of that, unfortunately, more famillies find it necessary to have both parents employed and more frequently at jobs with rotating 12 hr shifts that keep them in a major state of sleep deprivation and leaving virtuully no time to tutor or instruct children. (Rude voice of experience here) Fewer and fewer parents will succeed as this trend continues.
Some of those gains in industrial efficiency have come at a very high price to the nation and its' next generations.
"Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it!"
While not precise in the quotation we see it at every level of society.

We've got good candidates...
Why don't you (plural) act to do something positive to CHANGE that?

ALL media needs an overall. There's where to start.

Then our candidateds can be themselves and deliver the messages which propel them, in the first place.

The best correlation I can come up with in this moment is: if parents parented, then trachers would be able to actually teach.

We've got good candidates...
Why don't you do something positive to CHANGE the deliverence of 'tabloid' to clean, unadulterated NEWS.

If parents parented their children correctly,
than teachers would have the best tools for successful teaching.

Get it?

I must not be awake yet
or so moved by this topic that I'm slipping up in my own deliverence.

I apologize. But I do believe our candidates are worthy of better news coverage.

They are basically good people who ALL love our country and want to be the ones to move it into a higher and better place.

They, each, need our support; not condemnation.

That, my friends, is practical prayer!

It has been proven over and over again to be most profitable!

READ and WATCH LESS
DO MORE
do more
do more
do more
do more
do more...to be

what you expect.

Nellie
Please click on my name for a different perspective.

They are NOT good people and the Constitutional Republic is in peril.

Ideologies of Candidates
I am independent of both candidates ideology. Senator McCain wants to do more for Americans and our country without using our hard earned taxes and he will continue to keep us safe.

Senator Obama wants to feed, clothe, shelter, educate, medicate and arm Third World countries who are determined to bring deadly harm to Americans round the world with $845 billion of our hard earned tax dollars. He sponsored S.2433.

Racism is without scientific validity. Racism is merely a social action or goverment policy based on such assumed differences. Consequently any race of people who may consider themselves superior to another will automatically place them in the business of being prejudicial against another race of people.

If there is a superior race of people they do not exist on Planet Earth! This truth ensures individuals who teach, lead or follow the ideology of another human are prejudiced.

Individuals who are independent of this thought could be considered prejudiced of all others. This ensures ALL of us are prejudiced about something or somebody. We must prejudge everything and everybody or follow blindly.

Obama, Clinton, McCain
If Hillary, Obama or McCain gets elected we are doomed. I don't think it's about party anymore, it's who will do right for our country. That why I joined the Constitution Party, they want to keep our country OUR COUNTRY.
http://constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php

You need to watch this video and see that Obama is using the very same speech that Bush used. It gets real interesting after that about the Rockfellers, now you know why you don't have any choice in electing the president. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-36612589529379031 13

Americans sadly, have traded their soul
the FAITH & HOPE & VALUES that led us into (a different kind of) wealth... found in the Greatest Generation; for this contemporary 'material plight' we find ourselves in today.

We are spiritually hungry, emotionally wounded, financially bankrupt, mentally challenged & physically handicapped.

We support fast food chains who are killing us.
We support drug industries who allow doctors to become big business mogels (and not even try to heal anymore).
We support insurance companies and fall victim to becoming part of their greed by filing false claims.
We support criminal punishment and do not work to rehabilitate our human brothers; therefore perpetuating even worse atrosities.
We support the wal-mart equivelants, who put American small business out, forever! Because we choose not to spend pennies more locally now, so we can keep America for tommorow. That's unamerican!
Need I go on? Then we dare to critisize Mrs. Obama, who clearly loves this country enough to sacrifice her ptivate family life inorder to give something viable back to it.

Which is our God? There has to be a ratical about-face in relation to 'who' we are going to listen to...

OUR OWN INSTINCT (which is the transmission of God's guidance) is constantly being filled with blogging, talking, gaming, etctera, etcetera...

IF ONLY WE WOULD BE q u i e t. shhhhh.

...and listen, for a change.

We really are not the blubbering idiots the media (and its sponsorships) are trying extremely hard to convince us into believing that we are.

Friends...we are clearly allowing ourselves to be cleaverly duped. Not by Barak Obama. He's not the enemy. Its everything I mentioned above.

Meditate in a quiet space and find REMEDY to everything you would LIKE TO SEE be better.

Nellie
Please follow your own advice and be quiet for a change. You've made no sense in any of your posts

re: Nellie
The fact is that not all of our candidates are good people. If you think Senator Clinton is a good person then you don't know much about her. The fact is that she's two steps ahead of a grand jury indictment and has been for most of her professional career. She's the classic example of a machine democratic politician who cares about her power, her wallet and what she can milk out the offices she holds.

Obama, I'm not sure about, however, he was educated in a predominately Islamic country and in Waabist schools which teach that the US is the Great Satan. And that we must be destroyed. Now he may have come through that experience and still be an american but it makes him suspect.

McCain has some liberal tendencies which is fine. He's adaptable and seems to have learned to listen to his bosses (that would be we the people) rather than his special interest groups. Of the 3 McCain seems our best shot, Obama would be number two but Clinton must not be allowed in our highest office ever again. She's tied by blood to organized crime (just look up her maiden name and cross check it with the organized crime task force list for Illinois, her home state). That and her husband's blatant criminality while in office should be enough to disqualify her from running for dog catcher.

Great Quotes
JFK "Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country!"

BO "Ask not what you can do for your country but what your country can do for you!" (health care, college tuition, low cost mortgage, slavery reparations, no borders, fill in your own need the government can fulfill it)

What kind of country are have we produced? Answer the what's in it for me country!

Nellie
You're right in one sense, Hussein is not the problem. The problem lies in the damn GROUPIES & HIP HOPS that are voting for him.
And it is people like him that has perpetuated the other things you mentioned, which are right in one sense..

Mr. Bill
"The younger kids could see and hear what was acceptable to the teacher and aspire to it. All assignments required correct spelling, pronunciacion, punctuation and useage at all levels."

This brought back memories, and not from a one-room schoolhouse. My teachers made me work for my grades, and I am eternally grateful to them for it. I earned F's with bright red circles, cross-outs, and corrective margin comments on my English essays and compositions early in my 9th grade year. By the end of 9th grade, I was earning A's, with bright red circles, smiley-faces, and complimentary margin comments on my essays. My parents backed my teachers up by making me work at home--both on homework and household chores.

I will never forget the day that my teacher said of my essay on the relationship between Hamlet and his mother, "That was one of the best essays I have ever read." I knew she meant it, because she gave me all those F's at the beginning.

My parents and teachers had high expectations of me. I am a better communicator because of them. I think that if we give up on the current sound-bite generation, our nation is doomed; but if we teach our children how to think logically and communicate clearly, American Eloquence will be restored to its former glory.

WAZZZUP???

.....What chu talkin bout Willis? ...

.....Dog yo betta git jiggy wit it ...what yo mean comin roun wit this moldy jive? ...Ahm gonna bust a cap in yo a** mammy jamma .....COLOSSUS

See Ann Coulter
The loss of elegance in speech is more pronounced than the loss of eloquence. It has become a much coarser culture, wherein the ability to fire off a screaming red zinger is more valued than skill at presenting a cogent argument. Moreover, the value of partisan advocacy in the marketplace far exceeds literary skill or native wit, as is fully evidenced by the success of solons of shrillness like Dinesh D'Souza, John Andrews, and Ann Coulter.

And yes, it is the readers' fault. You don't, for the most part, have the requisite patience to parse through more than a 3,000 word argument.

You don't deserve better.

my 2 cents
One of the reasons why hillary antagonizes so many people is her voice.
bo has a GOOD voice - friendly, comforting, etc. That is also one of the reasons why GWB is so unpopular - his voice antagonizes people and lends credence to the perception that he's not too bright.
And John Kerry - talk about a bad voice.

Nat'l Anthem vs. the E-Z sing song...
Compare the words of Francis Scott Keys' "The Star-Spangled Banner" to Lee Greenwood's "Proud to be an American". One is a collection of platitudes written at the 3rd grade reading level.

What we value
I have a small collection of antique books from various sources. Some of them are my grandmother's textbooks from the 1920s, one is from my parents' house, found in the attic, belonging to a member of the Texas House of Representatives (the man who built their house) and containing a 13-page letter from a young female admirer. One of these books is a collection of poems by Tennyson that I got in an antique store in Austin, Texas. The name and address of a man are written in that book, along with the date. His address was in rural north Texas, not too far from where I grew up. It was obviously a prized possession.

In contrast, my 17-year-old stepson is fond of saying that I have "too many books" and "books suck." We've come a long way, baby.

I forgot to mention
My parents' house was built in 1900. The date written in the Tennyson book is 1903.

I appreciate books. . .
I was home-schooled through high school. My parents showed me what a wonderful world books are, and what incredible doors they open.

How many college students these days are actively increasing the size of their personal libraries? I know I am. Whenever there's a book sale in the area I rush to it, hoping to find another gem for my collection. But very few of my publicly-educated peers understand or appreciate why I do this.

It's kind of funny, after being told "you suck" to inquire as to their creative abilities and why they can't do better with insults. Watching them mull it over and try to figure out the meaning is tons of fun.

Then again, very few of these same publicly-educated students understand the significance of "Get thee to a nunnery!" either.

One of the
problems, and it is huge, is that dumb people are breeding dumb children. And, they have more children than smart people.
It ain't gonna work!

Hey AuriR10
RE: Waiting until this generation tries that stuff on their employer? Sad news is that many employers are being told they need to start figuring out how to "reward" and commend these employees (over and above salary) for simply showing up to work.

to Wu-Wei
McCain will win the war on terror my friend because he will continue the fight with the greatest military the world has ever seen.

Unlike the dems who are fighting over the white flag and who will be the first to wave it.

My priority is the defense of this nation, that ensures my granchildren will have their chance to live in the finest country in the world, to support anyone but Mccain at this unique time in our history is to deny yours their birthright.

Beastie Boy
"You don't, for the most part, have the requisite patience to parse through more than a 3,000 word argument. You don't deserve better."

Well, BB, I've read the following: Dostoevsky's _Karamazov Brothers_, _Crime and Punishment_, _Demons_, and _Notes from Underground_; all of Edgar Allen Poe's works, including his poetry (starting with "The Pit and the Pendulum" and "The Maelstrom" in first grade); Shakespeare's _Hamlet_, _Romeo and Juliet_, _MacBeth_, _King Henry IV_ (both parts), _A Midsummer Night's Dream_, and other plays & sonnets; all of John Donne's poems; all of Robert Frost's poems; most of Rudyard Kipling's stories and poems (my favorite is "Gunga Din"); and numerous other great works, including Plato, St. Augustine, Nietzsche--but there's no sense going on. You get the point.

Considering the arguments you've posted on various threads on TH, I don't think you can hold a candle to any of the above. But then you're just a troll who gets a rush out of provoking responses. So here's your reward. I hope you rest well tonight.

Jon et al.
Right on!

flagday1960
On Keys vs. Greenwood: your point is reasonable, although I suspect that third graders of Keys's day would have comprehended his poem.

I believe that there is something to be said for simplicity of language. In communication, substance is more important than length of word and number of apostrophes. William F. Buckley, Jr., for example, speaks with substance; but sometimes his message becomes lost amidst a jumble of multisyllabic words. Lee Greenwood's message has substance that tugs at the heartstrings, just as Francis Scott Keys's message does.

On the other hand calling oneself an agent of change, as Sen. Obama does, lacks substance because he does not say what he plans to change and how he plans to change it--at least, not publicly. So simplifying language does not necessarily improve communication, either.

Communication and eloquence ultimately do not require education and an esoteric vocabulary. We adore children who speak truth because they speak with such simplicity, conviction, and substance that we are amazed--not by their vocabulary and sentence structure, but by their insight.

Great communicators do the same thing.

SHAKESPEARE UPDATED

.....To make Shakespeare understandable to today's youth ...ROMEO & JULIET BALCONY SCENE ...

....."Romeo, Romeo, whar fo iz yo at dog?" .....COLOSSUS

Look Deep Within

Americans can only blame ourselves for allowing this blight which has been brought upon us. We as a society, who were raised by the greatest generation, slowly allowed the soul of this country to be turned into a generic medicine capsule that can not even usher away a mild headache.

If we are to turn the course we are presently guiding ourselves on, we must reach deep within for the inner strength to change our destiny and fight off the evil of communism that is being masqueraded to us as our savior.

Link Correction

“You need to watch this video and see that Obama is using the very same speech that Bush used. It gets real interesting after that about the Rockfellers, now you know why you don't have any choice in electing the president. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-36612589529379031 13 “ … kerijay

You link was messed up at the end where there is a space between the two “1’s” at the ned.

Here is the correct link:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-366125895293790311 3


Guys, I don't need your allegience
we, ourselves, have not lived by the letter

if we are feeling less than empowered under this government.

Look at your own record first.

What do you live for, work for, pray for?

Putting everyone ELSE under the daily microscope is destructive behavior (the anti-christ, if you will) which perpetuates itself. That is not 'our daily bread'.

So why not chooses to perpetuate its opposite, by demonstrating what is right behavior? Its really a simple equation.

Apply mathematics. Life is a true science.

Live the 10 commandments to see the reward or perish in the hell you'll create, instead:

Bad government, obeisity, (here's one I'm gonna get mail from) cancer, diebities...Yes, you bring it all on. That's how much strength & power you really have. We are not victims.

Engage yourselves in doing what glorifies (and illustrates appreciation) to SOMEONE.

Jesus always thanked his heavenly father BEFORE he received any gift, knowing (expecting) His Divine Father...The Lord, would not let him down.

Should The Father not come through with what you ask, then you do not need it. But He gives us everything we DO need when we are humble seekers of good.

Do you, people, really think you can direct God?



Mildain this is your brain on TH
"Obama, I'm not sure about"

"he was educated in a predominately Islamic country and in Waabist schools which teach that the US is the Great Satan. And that we must be destroyed. Now he may have come through that experience and still be an american but it makes him suspect."

You're suspect (and really, really, really, ignorant).

Any questions?

This is our government to govern
Please partake in the 'glorifying' of this right!

Do not take it for granted.

Certainly don't expect anything wrong to 'right' when you abuse this God-Given Privelege.

Correction
Correction again for the original author who posted this link. It did not post correctly for me.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-366125895293790311 3

I can't believe it!
Mr. Greenberg writes eloquently of Barbara Jordan, but in doing so he betrays his conservative credentials. Barbara Jordan was a liberal Democrat.

Her legislative record is filled with examples of her support for the sort of liberal bills that conservatives have no business supporting. One of her bills was a workman’s compensation bill that increased the maximum benefits workers could receive. She also sponsored legislation to broaden the scope of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 to cover Mexican-Americans in the Southwest and to extend the authority of that Act to states where minority voting rights had been compromised by literacy tests as a registration requirement. She supported the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 that required banks to lend money to “underserved” minorities.

Read her 1976 keynote speech at the democratic convention and her liberalism will be on display. She spoke eloquently in favor of the impeachment of Richard Nixon, something few conservatives should agree with or respect.

She was a lesbian and had a long-term relationship with another woman—hardly an example of the sort of lifestyle conservatives can respect.

So, I say to Mr. Greenberg, dude, what are you doing?

For conservatives, people like Barbara Jordan are the problem, not role models.

This Greenberg...
isn't exactly an astute thinker, is he. First he incorrectly identifies Ron Paul a populist. Now he's proclaiming W.E.B Dubois as having an "unswerving dedication to liberty". The crackpot was a Socialist, just, as I suspect, Greenberg is, judging by some of his other silly opinions. Eloquence in decline? No wonder, intelligence is in decline as this column demonstrates. To hell with poetry or eloquence, let's have philosophical substance!

philosophical substance
is what I contribute to these conversations and you mock that, too.

you appear to love chasing your own tails and going nowhere.

Remember what happened in 'Little Black Sambo'
.....I AM NOT REFERRING TO BARAK OBAMA; HILLARY CONTRIBUTORS.

The tigers hovering below turned faster and faster until they churned themselves into a butter-batter.

Then everyone enjoyed pancakes.


Hillary people
You cannot win this election because you hit way below the belt.

Americans will not vote for your candidate simply because you will say and do anything for that vote.

Stop writing blogs, here, to instill fear into American people's minds.

When you stoop to the low level of persuading you display, you lose.

Language
Eloquent or not; CNN and others seem to gain joy in topsy turving the candidates 'meaning' so obvious to the intelligent viewers.

Everyone knows that John McCain meant he would work to do his very best to get our troops home as rapidly as he could without compromising the Iraqi civilians. So CNN stays stuck on the term/number "100"...for spin sake. Certainly not for God's sake.

Everyone knows that Michelle Obama meant that lately, we (as she) have so little demonstration to be really proud of. But this campaign trail has finally awakened the American spirit (even in a new dormant youth). CNN demonstrates the likeness of the Clintons, here, in its exhausting dialog on extremely expensive airwaves per minutes.

I've asked them to do a story on why 'we' (a people) even, when it lives the consequenses, first hand, likes/loves such demeaning reporting.

Ya know, I enjoy commentaries which recognize and remind us of what we've let slip away.

Thank you for writing them. We fell short, in my parenting decade to permit our kids to strive for those rewards.

Divorce grew, as cancer, and we all fell into that selfish fad. It was wrong. Now we face divorce's consequence. Our children suffered.
Some survived. Some didn't. We were wrong.


good
everyone has gone.

Its quiet.

Thank you, God.

Diane Sawyer is being interviewed, CNBC.

greenburg
I have yet to read a column of his that I would rate higher than 2

Noelogy & Jon
Great posts!

I collect, smell & FEEL (and occasionally read through) these beautifully bound gems, myself.

when my 34 year old son was 2, we visited a communal household where home schooling, organic eating, crafting and farming were all part of the norm. Democratic parenting was also practiced. Don't have any idea how each of those children turned out.

My son became an architect, then went back to school to become an art teacher, then an assistant principle and is now the principle of that school. He loves his wife and his two children. They are very active in church and community, while they are teaching their young'ns to be aware of those 'outside of themselves'.

word, words, words
'while in Rome'...Barak Obama visits a culture and respectfully dresses.

In China I remove my shoes before entering a house...

We might benefit by wiping the soles of our shoes on a door mat before entering the world each morning. That way, symbolizing the cleansing of our own thought; Free from bias, hate, ill-feelings, predisposing ideas, malice tounges.

Let's begin a new American tradition. Why don't we?

Goatlocker
Are you aware that Alan Keyes ran against Barack Obama in Illinois? Keyes got 27% of the vote. Obama got 70%.

To maldain
Obama attended a public, non-religious, secular elementary school in Indonesia from age 6 to age 10. The education at that school was not Muslim. At 10 he went to live with his maternal grandparents in Hawaii and continued in school there, starting fifth grade at the Punahou Academy (it's not Muslim either). At no time was Obama educated in Muslim schools. How did I get this information? I googled for it. Don't you know how to click a mouse? Either you are deliberately spreading lies about Obama or your ability to locate information is pretty poor.

Gestell
Are you saying that a liberal Democrat or even a lesbian liberal Democrat can't be an effective public speaker? Or that it's not possible to acknowledge a person's professional accomplishments even if you disapprove of his/her personal life?

I know a doctor who is a pediatric oncologist. He takes care of children with cancer. He is skillful and compassionate. He is also a homosexual. If you had a child with cancer and he was the specialist your child needed, would you refuse to go to him because he is gay?

Top Gun
Obama IS acting in a real play. It's called "his campaign". All reports are that this campaign is being run very professionally. It is solvent. It is effective; as you may have heard, he's now ahead of Hillary. Its staff works together, not bashing into each other and changing strategies every day like Hillary's. Not an accident that Obama runs a campaign well; he is a professional organizer, was one before he went to law school. A campaign is a huge moving business that processes millions and millions of $$. Its raw material is money and its product is votes. Obama is the CEO of that business, and he's very good at what he does. Why don't you pay attention?

maldain is a Hillary implant
thanks, Lilly, for your thoughtful responses.

Eloquent Speeches
I like to ask everybuddy something yes Barack has wonderful uplifting speeches but my ONLY question is how do you think he is going to pay for 800 BILLION DOLLARS in programs that he want to put on us American Taxpayers. I hope you people wake up to the reality that he going to kill the middle income taxpayers with all this burden it not the wealthy as they want you to believe. Plus it will kill our economy because the businesses that hire workers who make this economy work WILL NOT HIRE and us taxpayers will continue to SUFFER. Obama wants to be liked by everyone and to me has NO CORE VALUES. The biggest question is HOW DOES HE THINK THAT HE GOING TO MAKE THE REPUBLICANS GO ALONG WITH HIS PLANS??? If the republicans win back most of there congressional seats there will be no democratic majority and he won't get anything done. John McCain at least has worked with the democrats and got legistration PASSED. John McCain is a reformer for 20 years and has experience that he has already done it. Barack Obama has no experience at being a reformer in Washington DC. McCain can make it work for him.

lilly, everyone knows Keyes was not
the person who originally contested against Obama. The original rival was smeared using his divorce and forced to step down and it was then Obama got elected because republicans did not have enough enough time to frame their campaign and pick another winner. Before the orignal contestant dropped out on the republican side, Obama was loosing. This time in a general election, republicans won't be making the same mistake. McCain will attack Obama because unlike Clinton, we republicans don't fear being called racists when we use facts like Obama has nothing new to offer except failed liberal policies found in europe and a "christian" perspective learned under the "black power" seperatist called Farrakhan. This time, Obama will meet with a real election contest and HE WILL LOOSE!

Nellie, while in USA we stand up
and place our hand over our heart when the anthem is played, we also wear the lapelle pin as a sign of respect for our flag and what it stands for. Obama has no problem wearing the jihadist outfit but he has problems with the lapelle pin and placing his hand on his heart when the anthem is played. Americans will find this phoney of a christian muslim uniter who practices "black power" religious beliefs to be UNQUALIFIED TO BE COMMANDER IN CHIEF. God bless america! I suppose Obama would have a problem saying that too - go figure??

replies to lilly and Nellie
To lilly: If you've ever read any of my posts, you know that I'm a card-carrying liberal. My post re: Greenberg's column is my expression of shock that a conservative columnist could do such a poor job of researching his subject. I'm certainly not criticizing Barbara Jordan for being a lesbian. No conservative who did 5 minutes of resaerch on Barbara Jordan should praise her for anything. I conclude that Greenberg is simply a sloppy political journalist.

to Nellie: Ultimately, it doesn't matter what the truth is about Obama's early education. Conservatives will continue to lie about it because it will be an effective move in trying to discredit him with American voters. I certainly don't expect conservative opponents of Obama to do anything other than invent and circulate any lie about him that might work.

Manners and American conservatives

Thoughts inspired by reading Nellis's post on Americans and the customs of others:

No American conservative should believe that he or she needs to respect the cultural practices of non-Americans. All American conservatives know that Americans are (1) favored by God in all things; (2) the best people ever to have existed on this planet; (3) endowed by nature and God with unconditional rights and priveleges to say and do whatever they wish about and to anyone they choose; (4) despise and revile all things not American, including the customs of non-Americans; (5) bomb the cr*p out of anyone who says different.

I'll betcha most TH readers will say an "amen" to this.
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