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Monday, February 18, 2008
Paul Greenberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
Ron Paul, American Artifact
by Paul Greenberg
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American history is so remarkably continuous, like American institutions, that sometimes it’s scarcely necessary to consult the history books to find out what some past political cause was like. We need only observe a current one.

Consider Ron Paul. The man is this year’s perfect historical artifact. He’s running for president in 2008, but he could have stepped right out of 1888, or 1898, when populism was all the rage, literally. It was Mary Ellen Lease, one of the great populist fire-eaters of the time, who urged restive Kansas farmers to raise less corn and more hell.

The populist impulse remains strong in American politics. So long as there are uncertain times and people looking for simple answers to questions that are anything but simple, there will be Ron Pauls to channel our dissatisfactions and direct our anger and frustrations onto some nebulous villain, like The System.

Ron Paul himself does not seem angry, which is a great advantage in a presidential debate, but you can sense the old populist rage, suspicion and arcane ire coursing through his fan base.

A lot of historical work has been done on American populism by now, notably by the late, incisive Richard Hoftstadter, who explored the dark side of that movement. After him, it was impossible for later generations to swallow the standard, uncritical, textbook-bland view of populism as just another successful reform movement in a long succession of them in American history.

Professor Hofstadter exploded that myth by exploring populist literature, rhetoric and general paranoia. His “Age of Reform” was an almost encyclopedic recital of populist conspiracy theories, which featured the usual cast of suspects — Wall Street tycoons, British bankers, shadowy Illuminati and, inevitably, the Jews. (What would any halfway decent conspiracy theory be without us? It’s a Western tradition, and not just a Western one — as a brief survey of Islamic jihadism will illustrate.)

There is no longer a Populist Party that I know of, but populism itself is alive and deliriously well. One can hear its old delusions whenever Ron Paul speaks: The Constitution is being undermined by a self-serving elite. A once pure Republic existing in splendid isolation (talk about an ahistorical view of the American past!) has become mired in imperialist intrigues. We are being drawn into endless wars in order to further the ends of a small cabal of power-hungry plotters. And, of course, the whole American financial system is a fraud and swindle foisted on the American people by some deep, dark conspiracy.

Again and again these same themes are reprised in American history. Listening to Dr. Paul, you can hear Charles Lindbergh, Father Coughlin, Gerald L.K. Smith and Huey Long live again. Hail, hail, the gang’s all here!

The themes are dramatic even if they are now being laid out in the dull monotone of a Texas congressman who has been playing variations on them ever since he went into politics, if not before. His fantasies are in the grand tradition of 19th-century populists even if he lacks their fire. (The closest he comes to it is a kind of grumpy irritation.)

Dr. Paul is as American as a tintype, a reincarnation of a once familiar type — the money crank — who had a simple, single-cause explanation for any and all problems with the American economy. Namely, that a small, insidious group is manipulating the money supply.

It comes as no surprise to find that Ron Paul believes the Federal Reserve System is an illegal, unconstitutional and generally nefarious conspiracy. It goes with the mental territory he inhabits, and with what Professor Hofstadter described in a noteworthy essay as “The Paranoid Style in American Politics.”

James Kirchick of The New Republic recently dug up some of the stranger theories Dr. Paul used to peddle in the old “Ron Paul Political Report” and “Ron Paul Survival Report,” the kind of obscure little newsletters that always find a market among those who believe The End Is Near — and are eager to find somebody to blame for it.

Among the doc’s assertions: It was really the Israelis who were behind the first attack on the World Trade Center; Martin Luther King Jr. was some kind of pedophile; and the only reason the riots in Los Angeles over Rodney King’s beating could be contained was because black rioters stopped to “pick up their welfare checks.” Dr. Paul has tried to disassociate himself from this kind of shameful thing, which speaks well of him. He’s an honorable man who doubtless has repented of such junkthought by now. But that he should have been sucked into this hateful swirl in the first place does say something unsettling about his susceptibility to nuttism in general.

To any taxonomist of American radicalism, Ron Paul is a familiar type — genus Conspiracist, species Populist. He fits right in with a mentality that hasn’t changed all that much since Arkansas’ own great money crank, William “Coin” Harvey, was all the vogue in the 1890s. His “Coin’s Financial School,” at a mere 155 pages, may have been the most popular and influential American manifesto since Thomas Paine’s “Common Sense.” It overran the American South and West like a contagious fever.

Harvey came from a long American line: the village explainer. That’s the phrase Gertrude Stein used to sum up poor Ezra Pound, the crazed poet and another money crank. Alas, he had the misfortune to fall under Mussolini’s sway at a time when the United States was at war with Italy’s fascist regime and, like the village explainer he was, decided to broadcast his views.

Result: The poet would spend years as a mental patient at St. Elizabeth’s rest home, asylum and depository for embarrassing political cases. (It wasn’t just the Soviets who practiced political psychiatry.) Hospitalizing the eccentric — but scarcely insane — old poet seemed a more humane and less embarrassing way to deal with him than having to try him for treason.

Political stupidity, it was decided in his case, should not be a capital crime. At least for poets; the rest of us may be held responsible. What he was really guilty of was taking his populism too seriously. Ideas have consequences, especially in wartime.

American populism wasn’t just a reform movement in American history but a search for a conspiracy to blame for all of America’s — and the world’s — troubles. Ron Paul isn’t so much a libertarian as an hysterian able to say the most preposterous things in the dullest, calmest way. And there will always be good people, especially naive young people innocent of history’s context, attracted to simple explanations for complicated problems. That was the principal attraction of populism — and still is. When you start digging into the American psyche, Ron Paul becomes an instantly recognizable American type, and a disturbing one.

Cautionary notes: Single-cause theories may be easy enough to dismiss, but now and then one comes along and revolutionizes a whole field, the way Milton Friedman’s monetarism did today’s economics. His views are now as accepted as Keynesianism once was.

America is still full of village explainers even in these more urbanized times, and every garage seems to contain an amateur inventor who’s working away at a completely unworkable idea. But how do we know that one of them won’t turn out to be the next Bill Gates?

Back in the Thirties, there was a Ron Paul type out in California, a doctor named Francis E. Townsend, who came up with a screwy plan to give every American 60 years of age or older the then-grand sum of $200 a month on the condition that every last penny of it would have to be spent before the month was out.

The Townsend Plan became the inspiration for one of the simplest and most effective social programs in American history: Social Security. You just can never tell where a great idea will come from.

Also, while most populists were inflationists, whether of the Greenback or Free Silver brand, Dr. Paul is a deflationist of the goldbug variety, which is what an economy trying to stave off a recession doesn’t need just now.

A good argument could be made that a touch of inflation was just what the late-19th century American economy could have used to avoid its recurrent panics. While its economic theories may have been cockeyed, populism’s actual effect when it loosened the money supply may have been beneficial.

The moral of the story: Criticism of populism, like populism itself, can be oversimplified.

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Helicopter Money
Rep. Ron Paul is a student of the Austrian School of Economics. If we fail to heed his call for sound fiscal policy then maybe we can shore up the economy by dumping loads of fiat money from helicopters.

Oh, yeah; ''a touch of inflation''
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Mr. Greenberg, I can tell that you think your readers here are stupid, but do you realize just how bloody idiotic *YOU* are?

First and foremost, the great populist movements of the 19th and 20th Centuries *COUNTED* on the institutionalization of currency inflation as their single greatest point of appeal.

Ron Paul condemns it as precisely what it is: criminal theft of value.

Inflation permits debtors to pay off the loans they'd taken out yesterday in tomorrow's much-devalued dollars.

Savvy "Free Silver"? Familiar with Bland-Allison and the Sherman Silver Purchase Act? Remember sleeping through the account of the Silver Panic of 1893 while you were in high school?

And your attempt to conflate Dr. Paul with Dr. Townsend is simply marvelous. From a predecessor who promised "Government as Santa Claus" you try to get us to find identity in a man who is speaking plain goddamned sense about government as a parasite bleeding the nation to death with Tonsendian give-aways, porkslurping, warfare and waste.

To hell with you, Mr. Greenberg, you foul, filthy, lying propagandist for everything that is rotten about civil government in these United States.

To hell with you and the horse you rode in on.


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"In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. ... This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard."

-- Alan Greenspan





Ron Paul spoke the unspeakable
Greenberg thinly disguises his disgust for an American politician who questions the influence of Zionist "support Israel no matter what they do" thinking in our government. Israel is a socialist country which is allowed to exist due to the unquestioning largess of the American taxpayer.

No, that is not crazed anti-Jewish rhetoric. I totally support the Jewish people and their right to peacefully exist. What I don't support is forcing the American taxpayer to finance endless wars in the Middle East that make it possible for Israel, as a full nuclear power, to have their way, no matter what.

Is it a "conspiracy theory" that says that the American people are being duped into financing and supporting policies that they would never support if they knew what was really going on? The term "conspiracy theory" is a very disengenuous term that attempts to convince the naive that conspiracies never happen.

In an America based on the ideas that Ron Paul espouses, the government would not have enough power to strip the people of their power and fleece them for the funds to finance policies that are contrary to the interests of the people.

Are you outta your mind?
This was one of the most incoherent pieces of pablum I've read in a long time. How can anyone call Francis Townsend a "Ron Paul type" is beyond belief. Mr. Paul has never advocated the unconstitutional dispersal of money. Indeed he has long been one of the most fiscally conservative members of that den of thieves known as Congress. Greenberg spends many paragraphs throwing wild punches,but hits nothing but air.

Populism
If this were about populism, voters could easily be pacified with the inane rhetoric of Huckabee or McCain (both of whom frequently blame "big business"--instead of big government--for many of America's economic woes).

What draws people to Paul is recognition of the fact that unless special care is taken--right now--to preserve the constitutional liberties of the people and limitations on the government, the perpetual distractions of economic and foreign policy will result in the death of what America is all about.

America was never intended to be a paragon of strong armies and strong markets. While neither of these is antithetical to the Founders' vision, America's primary purpose was to ensure the freedom of its own citizens, and so doing, to serve as an exemplar of the democratic-republican ideal.

If we lose sight of the principles of individual liberty and limited government that made this nation great in the first place, economic and military might won't save us from our demise. Without our freedom, this country simply won't be worth saving.

Simplicity may not always be best...
but the greatest ideals never require rationalization - unlike the Social Security scam.

Freedom. Liberty. Opportunity - absent government oppression and interference.

I'm not a Ron Paul supporter. But, like Milton Friedman, I do revere and proclaim the greatness and power of free citizens exercising their God-Given rights to fulfill their own destinies.

The socialists, like Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, ask "what good is freedom without medical care?", while I say "what good is medical care without freedom?"

Like MLK, I too have a dream. That my own government will get off my back, and out of my life, so that I can live the life of a free American as intended by our nation's founders.

How does that idea fit into your notion's, Paul?

Greenberg - Townhall's worst columnist
Just when you think Greenberg can't sink any lower, he proves you wrong.

For starters, the Populists were for government bailouts, New Deal redistributionist schemes, cradle-to-grave welfare, subsidizing farmers, etc. - in short, John "Two Americas" Edwards. Ron Paul has always vehemently opposed such schemes. So calling Paul a populist is like, well, calling Greenberg intellectually honest.

Social Security is a fraudulent pyramid scheme. Any private group that tried to sell such a scheme would be prosecuted for criminal fraud. There is no "trust fund." The feds just take Mary's taxes and hand them to Joe. Any insurance company will sell you a financially sound annuity where you put far less in and get far more back, and can even pass it on to your heirs. Think that might help black families, whose male members' life expectancy is less than the age at which they can start collecting Social Security?

Greenberg's love of such a fraud is reflexive and instinctive, to him it must be like looking in a mirror. Ugh!


Who decides who is an expert?
A small group isn't manipulating the money supply? So the Fed isn't bashing our own currency over a single issue to bail out a few at the expense of the many? Oh.

By this line of
reasoning Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison, are also American tintypes, cultural artifacts, money cranks, and village explainers.

Of course they are Mr. Greenberg, in a country where the law of the land is Kelo vs. New London Connecticut, Jefferson and Madison could be nothing but American tintypes, cultural artifacts, money cranks, PRIVATE PROPERTTY RIGHTS CRANKS(who needs those, we know better now?!), and village explainers.


what a column!
The National Taxpayers Union (NTUF) estimates that the presidential candidates have put forth over 450 proposals. McCain’s proposals would result in a $6.9 billion spending hike. Mitt Romney’s proposals would result in a $19.5 billion spending hike. Mike Huckabee’s proposals would amount to $54.2 billion.

Hilary Clinton’s proposals would result in a $218.2 billion spending hike.

Barack Obama? $287 billion spending hike. And you know there will be more if he or any of the rest of them get elected and we will add more trillions to the national debt.

On the other hand Ron Paul is calling for a $150 billion spending CUT. But he’s seen as a radical while Obama is seen as a progressive.

Federal Reserve

Since the Federal Reserve came into existence in 1913 the dollar has eroded in value by over 95% in direct contradiction to its intended purpose. Every fiat currency throughout history has in the end gone to zero. The US dollar is well on its way to its own end. Every great nation has experienced a great upheaval when its finances became unbalanced. Things are going to get very bad in America if we don’t stop doing what we are doing by electing politicians who propose to spend hundreds of billions more dollars in their effort to get elected by pandering to people who seem to believe that there is a free lunch.


who pays the taxes?

The bottom forty-four percent of income earners pay no income tax whatsoever. Exxon alone pays more taxes than the bottom fifty-percent of income earners, which number 65 million people. The top twenty-five percent, those who earn over $62,000, pay 86% of all taxes. The top five-percent pay 60% of all taxes. The richest one-percent pay 39% of all taxes which is three-percent more than before Bush cut taxes, and which is to say that the rich are paying MORE taxes after Bush cut taxes than they did under Clinton’s term.

Currently no one knows how much the government actually owes, but estimates by the Government Accountability Office are that there is $53 trillion in unfunded liabilities. Others say the amount is over $70 trillion. Using the lower figure this means that every full-time worker owes $440,000. The number keeps on growing, ceaselessly.

Ron Paul must be mad!
Finally, someone who is saying what most of us are thinking!

Paul, Jefferson, Washington......nothing more than a bunch of kooks with their crazy notions of "liberty" and their creation of a silly piece of paper called the constitution.

The sooner we are done with all that the better.

The Lincoln memorial should be replaced with the Greenspan memorial, and Lincoln's statue replaced with one showing Greenspan holding a shovel, a pile of sand to the left titled "wealth of the American people" and a wheelbarrow to the right titled "International bankers"

Fancy the congress (thus the American people) controlling monetary policy and issuing currency, when we have a perfectly good group of international bankers to do the job for us.

Ron Paul must be mad i say!

Paul must be mad
Finally, someone who is saying what most of us are thinking!

Paul, Jefferson, Washington......nothing more than a bunch of kooks with their crazy notions of "liberty" and their creation of a silly piece of paper called the constitution.

The sooner we are done with all that the better.

The Lincoln memorial should be replaced with the Greenspan memorial, and Lincoln's statue replaced with one showing Greenspan holding a shovel, a pile of sand to the left titled "wealth of the American people" and a wheelbarrow to the right titled "International bankers"

Fancy the congress (thus the American people) controlling monetary policy and issuing currency, when we have a perfectly good group of international bankers to do the job for us.

Ron Paul must be mad i say!

It ain't hard to conclude that
Mr. Greenburg is woefully ignorant of the critical issues of the day. But worse than the ignorance is the slime one feels after reading his latest column.

Flag on the field for Greenberg
Its a sad day when attacks on private citizens pass in the press. Whether you like Ron Paul or not, share his opinions about the role of government in our life or even his view on the return to a gold standard - you cannot take away from him the passion for trying to save the rest of us from the sure path of destabilizing influences all around us. Where is the choice in party politics when all the politicians are vanilla, every candidate moves to the left and no candidate cares about what the people want - they have their own agenda. Here's a fresh idea a constitutional amendment - no election can be certified unless 50.1% of election age voters show up and cast a ballot.

We should say thank you to Ron Paul for elevating the dialogue and charging up the populace - neith er party has done it and the MSM that Greenberg represents is incapable of it.

Invite Ron Paul supporters

The best cure for oversimplification is to get these young, energetic supporters of Ron Paul into the local parties. They will knock on doors, talk to people and generally be of great assistance and in the process learn the world is not so simple when we get to the foundation of what these political slogans represent.

In Addition

I strongly agree that liberty and limited government was the most important take away from Ron Paul's efforts.

In many ways, our over bloated government has overcomplicated things and unnecessarily increased the size, scope and reach of governement.

Sometimes there needs to be a voice in the wild, asking - demanding that everyone take a step back to see governments enormity and in that alone, the threat to our liberty and the health of our democracy.

Nail. Hammer. Head.
gcave: "Greenberg thinly disguises his disgust for an American politician who questions the influence of Zionist "support Israel no matter what they do" thinking in our government. Israel is a socialist country which is allowed to exist due to the unquestioning largess of the American taxpayer.

No, that is not crazed anti-Jewish rhetoric. I totally support the Jewish people and their right to peacefully exist. What I don't support is forcing the American taxpayer to finance endless wars in the Middle East that make it possible for Israel, as a full nuclear power, to have their way, no matter what."
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He wants us to fund the Zionists' five-fingered discount -- the theft of the land of Palestine -- out of your pocket. If what was done there was done here, wouldn't he be screaming "Kelo v. City of New London?

Not one more dime for Israel. Not one.

Are fiscal conservatives "artifacts"?
Anyone with a remedial understanding of political theory knows that a populist and a libertarian are fundamentally different--even opposites in many cases.

This is one of the most ridiculous character assassinations of Ron Paul, containing known falsehoods (the "doc" never asserted any of those things), published here to date.

Greenberg has apparently been "sucked into [a] hateful swirl" of his own. Keep casting Paul as an anti-Semite because he had the audacity to question the US's "special relationship" with Israel.

Strange, I thought the neoconservatives were going to start playing nice in order to scrape up every McCain vote they can. Yet here is another scathing attack on Paul and a misrepresentation of his ideas.

And no, really, most of Paul's support comes from Republicans--people who think that limited government should not become an artifact.


Ron Paul Or Ronald Reagan?

Ron Paul: Real Conservatives Don’t Start Wars, They End Them

HP-Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) recently gained fame for breaking one-day online donation records, but he’s still considered an underdog by many because of his single-digit polling and arguably radical views on a variety of issues. For one thing, he supports an immediate withdrawal from Iraq, a position that seems more at home with the Democrats these days. So why is he up there, debate after debate, standing out from the likes of Huckabee and Romney and McCain? Why isn’t he trying to fit in if he wants to win the primary? Is he even a Republican?

WATCH VIDEO

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/ron-paul-or-ronald -reagan

John

Many who support the concepts of Ron Paul on liberty and limited governemnt DO NOT support Ron Paul's anti-interventionistic view as it simply isn't pragmatic in mitigating foreign discord. We are of this world and it simply isn't pragmatic.

Again, James Madison pointed out - it is all about balance and current the size and scope of governmant has reached intrusion as a drag on the National and Individual Economy and our personal liberty though limitations on private property and a thousand other small cuts.


Thank you,Paul Greenberg...
...as soon as I saw the title to your column,I knew this would bring out the crazies on Townhall.They didn't disappoint.I particularly liked your mention of "The Elite" criticism,who are hiding in our government just waiting to screw the American people.You know,the one's who manipulate our money supply for the benefit of "their friends",or worse,for "The Jews".These people never sleep,and if they can't find a conspiracy,that is because there is a conspiracy to deprive the American people of a conspiracy,and it is Israels fault!

"America is going to hell in a handbasket,and no one cares except me!!!".

They will always be with us.

Nam65-66

The problem with name calling is that it limits intelligent discourse and is an attempt to stiffle the debate.

I support our troops but I also think we should be able to openly discuss our management, strategy and objectives and things change on the ground.

I think we ALL should be thinking about the seriousness and weight of ANY intervention and it is healthy to continue to ask, "Do we really need to be involved this much as much to be able to ask, do we need to be involved more - such as for the surge?

Do we need to let natural consequences of under manning Afghanistan to impress upon EU nations the need for their increased involvement?

I think the one thing you need in making any good decisions is ALL the facts, filtered through as many points of viw as possible in order to test the resolution or strategy.

We want to win in that we want these Nations to stand up and carry their own weight. That is mission.

local view
I live in Ron Pauls district here in Texas and we love sending him back to congress year after year. He can always be counted on to vote against tax increases, deficit spending and all the other convoluted spending schemes politicions come up with to get their hands on our hard earned dollar. Great congressman! President? I don't think so.

Lisa and Nam 65-66
I might add that Mr. Greenberg's reference to 19th-century "nativist" movements re Ron Paul is a valid point.

The "Know-Nothings" were a mid-19th Century movement more properly known as the "American Party". Their personal bete noires' were Irish immigrants, whom they believed owed their primary allegiance to the Pope. And as with Paul and Israel (or anyone Paul suspects of being remotely Jewish), they firmly believed that an Irishman's primary loyalty would be to his church, no matter how long he was here or how hard he worked to become a naturalized citizen. (BTW, they wanted the legal process of naturalization to take 21 years- a bit long by anybody's standard, IMHO.)

They were called "Know-Nothings" because they initially met in secret, and if anyone asked them what they were all about, they were supposed to say, "I know nothing".

Ron Paul may not be a devotee of the "Free Silver" philosophy, but he can certainly be defined as an eerie replay of the "Know-Nothings" sophistry. In this respect Mr. Greenberg is "right on the money".


cheers

eon

liteside

I also agree with you local view. Keep him in the neighborhood (meaning here is Washington) and thank you for supporting him in Congress. He is a needed voice.

Eon

I am sceptical of anyone who tosses out the accusation of prejudice. Faith has been sourly tried during this election. I think you and anyone else should leave us out of your divisive dialogue for we believe in another means of reaching resolution.


Liberty and 1984
Dear Greenberg,

Your article is distasteful, untrue and undermines what America stands for: freedom. It seems America used to embrace 'radical' ideas from 'crazies' like Jefferson, Washington, Hamilton and the like. Ron Paul speaks truth- we are in debt and our dollar is losing value everyday. That is not a conspiracy, it is a fact.

As Republicans we as a party are no longer for limited government-- we have lost our way.

National security in my mind means DEFENDING America. Our borders are STILL not secure, we still do not know who is in this country and the last time I checked the terrorists who bombed the WTC LIVED IN AMERICA with EXPIRED VISAS! They didn't fly in from Afghanistan or Iraq. Why don't we consider the border, visas and immigration to be THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE when considering America's 'safety' instead of fighting wars overseas?

McCain wants another 100 years in Iraq, (make it 1000!) and sponsored a bill to keep the borders open and allow millions of illegals an easy path to citizenship.

Please re read 1984, it should be mandatory reading EVERYWHERE in America.

Finally, I think you misconstrue your audience and Americans by deeming populism to be a bad thing. The word is defined by those who want personal freedom, liberty and those who support the rights and powers of the common people in their struggle with the privileged elite-- Isn't this what our founding fathers ALSO SUPPORTED??

Greenberg trying to spike his ratings
The dullest columnist on Town Hall, one who gained entree into the conservative movement as the one who gave us the nickname "Slick Willie" and nothing more. Ron Paul has his weaknesses, but Greenberg doesn't really come close, as earlier posters have demonstrated. I'm tired of neocons--really liberals in drag--and their ad hominem attacks. The column came free and it's about worth what I paid for it. Imagine paying $29.95 per year for a magazine with this GARBAHJ!

Milton Friedman Was No Ron Paul

Friedman had an extraordinary talent for explaining the complex in simple terms.

But this has nothing to do with suffering from the intellectual weakness of latching onto groundless oversimplifications to explain away complexities one cannot understand.

To know the difference between true and false evangelists, measure the amount of irrational and offensive vitriol spewed by the advocate's defenders and that of his or her detractors.

The hysterical spasms of violent crudeness evinced by Ron Paul's defenders condemn his gospel as a baseless load of rubbish.

By contrast, Ron Paul's detractors such as Paul Greenberg are the epitome of cool-headed rationality.

Message to Ron Paulians: You are your own worst enemy.

D.Lancer writes: "Finally, someone who

is saying what most of us are thinking!"

Apparently MOST of us AREN'T think that since paul's poll numbers are so LOW!




Every writer
here at TH, has basically been saying the same thing about Dr. Paul, but this is the first time a writer has actually come right out and stated it plainly.

Oh, you don't like what he is saying? Would you say it is an UN-AMERICAN article? An article steeped with fascist overtones? An article with a hidden hatred for the Constitution?

Your right, it is all the above. All you people who bad mouthed Ron Paul, trivilised Ron Paul, without merit, without just cause, can now see why, just by reading the above article. What is written in the above article, is exactly the school of thought at TH, FOX News and all of the MSM, to include all the conservative talk shows, all of which that are controlled by a few, to control the masses. You are nothing but sheep to them and you all have behaved exactly how they wished and knew you would.

Now you have John McCain as your GOP. Ha ha ha ha ha! It is too funny, your all about to get exactly what you deserve, you unthinking controlled morons.

Polly want a cracker, idiot republicans, you ruined my party and now what looks to be my country. I'll never forgive you.


Not a Paul supporter, but . . .
This is one of the most misinformed columns that I have ever read on this site. Borders on the dumb. In response to the author's silly accusations, I would note that this country was founded on a form of populism very similar to that espoused by Ron Paul. When one speaks of populism, there are definitional issues. But Ron Paul definitely would NOT be considered a "typical" contemporary populist, since the newer schools of thought tend to promote forms of socialism and wealth redistribution and these are antithetical to Paul's positions.

Poorly written, researched and amateurish column.

Paul's roots and message go further
It may be of some surprise to the author but Paul's message isn't one of populism as much as one of independence, freedom and our nations most basic rule of law, the Constitution.

Yes, I know that the Constitution for so many talking heads and political scribes is an antiquated museum piece, best left remembered, but unused in a sealed viewing cabinet. However for many American the words of the Declaration and Constitution as well as those writing of our founders leave us yearning for the nation and government they had envisioned and designed for us.

I thank Ron Paul for reminding us that there is at least one politician in the United States that still remembers the foundations of what this nation was supposed to be.

Ph.D., J.D.
"Ph.D., J.D. writes: Monday, February, 18, 2008 8:07 AM
Not a Paul supporter, but . . ."

Ha, ha ha ha ha ha! Baaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaa! Poly want a cracker? Ha ha ha ha ha!

Thank you for proving my case! Ha ha ha!

As a notation
I am a registered Conservative in one of 14 states that actually has a Conservative Party. TH, The Heritage Foundation, Fox News, the MSM, Rush Limbaugh, or any of the talking head are most certainly not Conservatives.

Twilight zone
Is this guy for real? This is the most idiotic article I believe I have ever read here. Everything he says contradicts reality! He must really think people are ignorant. what he doesn't like is that people are waking up! Ron Paul speaks the truth and soon all will know what he has spoken is the truth. The agenda of the Elites is becoming obvious! The facts of how our monetary system today came into existence is not difficult to find and study.

Hey Greenberg...no everybody in America is an idiot...your type of journalism doesn't work any more...mantra's don't work any more on all of us.

I don't think you will find very many of your easily brain-washed, able to control minds, will be found reading this article or reading much of anything!

LOL....this is hilarious

And you've proved Greenberg right......


"...but you can sense the old populist rage, suspicion and arcane ire coursing through his fan base."




So many errors in your thinking
There are so many things wrong with this article...where to begin?

How about this one:

"So long as there are uncertain times and people looking for simple answers to questions that are anything but simple..."

This is the tactic used by big government. We simpletons can't possibly comprehend the complexity of our current situation, and solutions provided by Ron Paul, or anyone else for that matter, are just too simple! No, we must have weeks, months, years of debate on these subjects first!

But Ron Paul isn't providing simple solutions. He knows the problems that plague our country are not simple, but there are answers and ways to make things right that don't include writing a 10,000 page bill or regulation in congress as complex as the tax code.

"...who had a simple, single-cause explanation for any and all problems with the American economy. Namely, that a small, insidious group is manipulating the money supply."

This is ridiculous. Ron Paul doesn't give any simple, single cause explanations for the American economy. But these statements are what people such as you throw out there because it's "simple" versus actually understanding free market economics.

And comparing Ron Paul, a lover of free markets and small government, with Francis E. Townsend??? That's just plain stupid. Ron Paul, and any other supporter of free markets and small government, would NEVER support a socialist/communist based program like social security.

What a pathetic article.

Yes, Greenberg, You Can Read and Write
Of all of your lame articles, this one is the best - right up along side the ones that Jackie Gingrich writes. If you are so up on economic theory, tell us little people how we got into this mess of credit, federal and civil debt, and "free trade" deficits. Did I leave out "free trade" surpluses? If the Federal Reserve hadn't been running the money printing presses so much, the amount of all of our debt would be very much smaller. Do this Greenberg - run a vote to see which person is more correct - you or Ron Paul. See who wins the "populist" vote. And by the way, when you are putting the mouth on "populist" tell we little people about the two populists who are running neck and neck in the Democrat party. With the programs they are promising the "middle class" all of the debt will be far greater than now. Ron Paul may be a little stretched out in his policies, he is more correct than Jorge Bush or Bubba Clinton. Save the world, we will put troops in every country, while the Chinese and Russians are preparing to bury us. Greenberg, you are from Arkansas aren't you? Is that where Clintoon and Huckleberry are from?

I'm Angry Enough For Both Of Us
"Ron Paul himself does not seem angry, which is a great advantage in a presidential debate..."

How would anyone know? The moderators on all cable news networks marginalized him in the debates. They asked him very few questions and when he did get a few, they cut him off before he could finish answering them. Ron Paul was never my candidate because of a mismatch on the issues but I don't know which was more revealing, the rude way he was treated in the presidential debates by the TV moderators or the failure of his fellow candidates to speak up about it. I suppose the latter tells us something about the poor character of the Republican candidates. The TV news media, however, just continues to live up to low expectations much like the United States Senate.

And may I remind you, Ron Paul has been a Congressman for many years unlike some of the former single and two term Congressmen that are now jumping on the McCain bandwagon to get back in the spotlight and are wagging their fingers and scolding the rest of us to do likewise. And for crying out loud, it's Texas that keeps re-electing Ron Paul, not some whacko state like...well, you know.

Show him some respect.


newparty - On Friedman...
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...you're correct in one regard of which you're obviously unaware.

Friedman is a "Chicago School" monetarist.

Paul's economics are thoroughly in line with the Austrian School (von Mises, Hayek, et alia).

They differ.

Moreover, Friedman, as a young bureaucrat, is the man who came up with the World War II "temporary" measure of withholding estimated income taxes from wage-earners' paychecks to reduce the shock (and, ultimately, the outrage) associated with making very large payments "voluntarily" quarterly or annually.

Thus making the impact of this abjectly unconstitutional direct, unapportioned federal exaction even more invidious without relieving it of its malignant effects.

Friedman later voiced his regret for having come up with this notion, but the only comfore I tke from the story is the fact that if the bright young Milton Friedman hadn't devised the scheme, some other ingenious little New Deal thieving socialist sumbitch would've inflicted something as bad.

Or worse.

And if you find my language "offensive," then please consider that the man who is not given to express a sense of outrage when faced by the sort of criminal intention that is manifest in Mr. Greenberg's "a touch of inflation" message is so dead to moral sentiment that one should not trust him around one's children, one's valuables, or the family dog.




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"Government is the only agency which can take a useful commodity like paper, slap some ink on it, and make it totally worthless."

-- Ludwig von Mises

Anne
Usually I don't respond to you or read your comments because I find it a waste of time, even though we agree on a lot of things I've seen you post.

"And you've proved Greenberg right"

How have we "proved" Greenberg right? No one can "prove" someone else's opinion. You're saying that if anyone stands up and disagrees with Greenberg that we must be "proving him right"? That's nonsense. It's one of those arguments where you protect yourself by tailoring it in such a way that any counter to the argument can be viewed as "proving" your side of the argument. Anti-capitalists do this all the time, like Hugo Chavez for example. It's a crock.

His opinion that Ron Paul supporters are just people with "populist" rage is his way of disagreeing with Ron Paul's political views in a more polite, mature, and slick way instead of calling him a "kook" or "loon". He's trying to appear "above it all" as though he has superior wisdom and intelligence over those with "populist rage", as if it's something he can explain to us regular folk, that we need it explained to us because we're not smart enough to see what's right for ourselves.

What a crock of bull.

Ron Paul on PBS
PBS did an excellent analysis of the current Ron Paul campaign. Ron Paul consistently carried enough votes to suggest that he can swing States in the Electoral College - he is not done yet.....
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/01/31/the-ron-paul-revoluti on-reports-by-pbs/

Explanation needed
Can someone explain how an advocate of smaller government = big government populism?

If anything, Ron Paul came right out of the Constitutional Convention. The Populists sowed the seeds of everything Ron Paul is against. The Populists wanted government to step and make things "fair." Ron Paul wants the government out of the way of the individual.

for gcavener
gcavener writes: "Is it a "conspiracy theory" that says that the American people are being duped into financing and supporting policies that they would never support if they knew what was really going on?"

It's definitely a conspiracy theory, when people like you imply that the entire American people don't know "what is really going on," but only YOU know the "real truth" of the matter.

In an era when the most sensitive Government secrets on national security are routinely leaked to the New York Times and Aviation Week, it's remarkable how no one knows "what is really going on" with Israel except YOU. What top-secret sources of information have you drawn on?

FYI, American support for Israel is debated ENDLESSLY. Every time the Executive Branch has contemplated an arms sale to an Arab country like Saudi Arabia, Israel's friends in Congress raise objections and the issue of balancing American support for Arab allies vs. American support for Israel is debated. Over and over and over. You just don't like the result of that debate.

Beyond that, there is a disturbing implication by the Ron Paul supporters that America's foreign policy in the Middle East is dictated by the needs of Israel. It might surprise them to know that back in 2002, the Israeli Defense Forces WARNED Bush not to try nation-building in Iraq. Bush went ahead and did it anyway.

for number44
number44 writes: "If we lose sight of the principles of individual liberty and limited government that made this nation great in the first place, economic and military might won't save us from our demise."

You don't need Ron Paul for that.

You could get that same message by reading the GOP Party Platform (ANY year since 1980), or asking ANY Republican candidate. Yes, ANY candidate. Even McCain won't say that there is something basically wrong with individual liberty and limited government. Go ask him.

The differences are over specific policies.

Individual liberty and limited government does NOT mean you have to be on the gold standard. It does NOT mean you have to abolish the Federal Reserve or abolish a social safety net for the less fortunate. It does NOT mean you have to adopt an isolationist foreign policy.

Only libertarians, NOT conservatives, believe those things. Because they believe one more principle: They believe that the role of Government should be limited to ONLY the protection of rights by force and nothing else. Not even building roads or running the Weather Service. This is why conservatives are NOT libertarians. There is a Libertarian Party that is separate from the Republican Party. Maybe you should become a Libertarian.

No, a central bank isn't ...
unConstitutional. Without getting into too much history and numerous Supreme Court cases which appear to support a central bank, the creation of a central bank is indeed Constitutional. However, the devil is in the details.

While it is wholly permissable for the United States government to create agencies, like a Bureau of the Mint, to help in carrying out its Constitutionally required responsibilities, it is not acceptable to give that institution complete authority. Nor is it proper to make that institution private, as is the case with the Federal Reserve.

The Federal Reserve is no more an entity or agent of the federal government than is American Airlines. If we must have a central bank, it MUST be under the direct control of Congress in order to be truly Constitutional.

Mr Greenberg
You sir, are both a fool and puppet.

One can only wonder as to which master pulls your strings.

Ron Paul
Dr. Paul sounds better and better after what our manipulating political parties, pandering politicians and the media have offered up as a choice for our next President. None of our candidates appartenly believe in the consitution, Bill of Rights and want to take us into a socialist/marxist third world country - opening our borders further to illegals, Hillary wants the government to support everyone and God only knows what Obama has in mind with "change". We need to return to fiscal responsibility - right now Dr. Paul seems to be the only one running for President with any common sense. The media is running this election - those other candidates did not get press coverage. What we need is Dr. Paul and a third party!

for Sgt. Relic
Sgt. Relic writes: "I a not a Paul supporter and there are a number of places where his campaign departs from my thinking, but not the fact that all government action must be weighted against the constitution."

Your argument is a strawman,
because NO responsible Americans would disagree with your statement.

Have you EVER heard ANY politicians--liberal, conservative, Democrat, or Republican--ever say "Let's just ignore the Constitution"???

Except for neo-Nazis and Islamists, the Constitution is the bedrock for ALL political discourse in this country.

Our disagreements with the Left are on the meaning of specific clauses in that Constitution, and when the Constitution may need to be amended.

It's interesting how some of the same ultra-conservatives who maintain that the Constitution does not imply a right to privacy or a right to abortion, also insist that the Constitution implies the gold standard--even though that's not stated in there either.

And thanks to the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution, the Federal Income Tax is now fully constitutional.

Like many here...
I have not been a Ron Paul supporter.

Furthermore, I don't think I have ever agreed with a thing that JudgeRedd1 has written -- usually I just skip over his comments, because he is rude, mean-spirited, name-calling, unpleasant and trashy. BUT --

His post at 7:59 (if you can get past the rude, mean-spirited name-calling parts) is pretty close to on the money. The Republican party DID dish up John McCain. Everyone in MSM marginalized Ron Paul, and they also marginalized Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter. Now Tancredo is gone, Hunter is gone, Thompson is gone and Romney is gone. Ron Paul is the only one left standing who has consistently advocated for small government, reduced spending and taking care of domestic issues first.

Anyone who thinks that the Republican party's choice of John McCain represents conservative values needs to join the other party, that one with a donkey as its symbol.

Thank you Mr. Greenberg...
for pointing out just how badly we the people have screwed up by not jumping on board with Ron Paul.

He truly must have struck the truth in his many assertions to have the likes of you take him to task with bland comparisons and weak attacks.

I also loved how you think social security is the one shining light in our large government bag of dirty tricks. Why don't you keep your opinions to yourself and enter retirement full time.

Thanks to people like SJDOC, who know the history better than your parody of history, we have some real facts to work with.

Yuck
This is the worst yet in a long string of silly, pointless, inaccurate and stupid Greenberg columns. Perhaps it's time for him to retire.

Still...
I suppose we ought to be thankful that Greenberg used up his 750-word allottment without mananging to work in a mention of William Jennings Bryant, Joe McCarthy, Lyndon LaRouche or Ross Perot.


Hey, Mr. Greenberg...
Did you know that David Walker, chief of the General Accounting Office QUIT last Friday? Did you know he is known for comparing our economy to the Fall of the Roman Empire? Check it out:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_french_p_080216_hea d_of_gao_quits_2c_c.htm

Hey, Mr. Greenberg...
Did you know that even the Federal Reserve itself reports that the banks' Nonborrowed Reserves are now in NEGATIVE TERRITORY, the first time in history?

Check it out:

https://www.federalreserve.gov/datadownload/Choose.aspx?rel =H.3

Hey, Mr. Greenberg...
Tell me something...

If all the data and facts support a theory, is it still a CONSPIRACY theory?


Alas! The new worst pundit on TH
This column tells us more about Greenberg than Ron Paul. There’s legitimate criticism of Paul, but this piece-o-trash doesn’t come close.

-Lumping Paul in with the populist movement, including William “you shall not crucify me upon a cross of gold” Bryan, is disingenuous. The true heirs to the populist movement are the anti-corporate buffoons who believe that GE is the root of all evil.

-". . . the only reason the riots in Los Angeles over Rodney King’s beating could be contained was because black rioters stopped to “pick up their welfare checks.” The rioters in France and the rioters in South Central are scum. Period. Why should we pretend differently?

-“. . . become mired in imperialist intrigues. We are being drawn into endless wars . . .” Greenberg must be one who cheered the night of 9/11 when President Bush announced that thousands of our countrymen died because we’re free. Did Moslems read the Bill of Rights and decide that freedom of the press, the right to bear arms and right not to quarter soldiers were grounds for jihad or has American intervention bred hate?

-“. . . simplest and most effective social programs in American history: Social Security. You just can never tell where a great idea will come from. . .” Social Security, along with most New Deal programs, is blatantly unconstitutional. I don’t trust my retirement to Ted Kennedy or any other degenerate drunkard who happens to get elected.

I really didn't think TH could do worse than Doug Giles for idiocy. Unfortunately, I was wrong.

Mr. Greenberg
Another of your disappointing articles. I am not a Ron Paul man, but I'm not so sure that he doesn't have more sense and integrity than many of the current Republican elite. What a simplistic and derogatory slam on Ron Paul and his supporters. If you were to stack Ron Paul up against McCain I believe I would take Ron Paul hands down. Candidates are supposed to refrain form "negative put downs" of their opponents. Apparently some columnists feel free to smear to their hearts' content.

SteveL
"It's interesting how some of the same ultra-conservatives who maintain that the Constitution does not imply a right to privacy or a right to abortion, also insist that the Constitution implies the gold standard--even though that's not stated in there either."

Article 1, Section 10:

"No State shall...make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts"

Article 1, Section 8:

"The Congress shall have Power To....coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures"

This one gets lost in translation over time. The founders however, specifically used the words "Coin money" instead of "create money" because they did not want a fiat currency. Further evidence of their intent "coining" money can be found in Federalist paper #10:

"A rage for paper money, for an abolition of debts, for an equal division of property, or for any other improper or wicked project....."

Glad to see...
... that I don't have to point out just how terrible this column was. Paul Greenberg has failed as a columnist and as a human being. He should off himself.

It's President's Day
Send Ron Paul a donation!

http://www.ronpaul2008.com

Why pick on Paul
If you want to hear real fruitcakes just listen to the other candidates. It's the same old crap: "He raised taxes--You voted for such-and-such--He flip-flopped--Yes we can--Don't wave the white flag of surrender--I cut taxes--Jesus was smart enough not to run for office--I have 35 years of experience--I majored in miracles--Washington is broken--He's a war hero and we respoect his service to the country--I am ready to lead--I will fight for you--Ahhh believe--I won't be led by corporate America--I'm the only one here with executive experience--It's time for change--" and on and on it goes, ad infinitum ad nauseum.

But when Ron Paul comes along and says none of the above, but instead tries to explain how government can work better, he is called a nut job, someone who has nothing to offer.

I think Paul Greenberg should try selling insurance; anythihng to get him off this blog.

Good column Mr. Greenberg
Now, I am getting the he*l out of here before I get flamed. You did forget to mention the CFR and the new world order. You should have told them they will all be speaking French. The CFR has decided that will be the official language of the world when they have completed the takeover. That would have riled them up even more.

Poor Dr. Greenberg
If he were in medical practice, Greenberg would have lost thousands of suits for misdiagnosis.

When he decides he doesn't like somebody, he hits the American Quotes For Deadline-Beaters book and piles on. He doesn't even seem to be listening to himself.

Mr. G: why is the dollar of my youth now worth three cents? (hint: inflation which would be impossible without the Fed).

Why is the U.S. in a war that has not been declared? (hint: Constitution)

Why don't we have security treaties with our "great allies" Israel and "free" Iraq, if we are committed to defnding them?

Different answers for each question, Mr. Grenberg, and no conspiracy, just plain idiocy, bad decisions, bad policies, and a lot of power and money flowing away from the common man.

Analysis:

Greenberg is intelligent, but he has always had a tin ear for conservative principles. He prizes his "independence" and being sui generis instead, and thus brandishes his pen in all directions. Unfortunately, he does a lot of it in the dark.

Clearly this column was not his finest hour.

Ron Paul

Is the ONLY person in the presidental race or in politics for that matter who understands the economy! It sure as hell isn't YOU Mr. Greenburg.

I'm with SJ Doc on this one, "to hell with you and the horse you rode in on"! You blithering diot.

Looks like I'm too late...
...to add much to the comments debunking this ignorant editorial. The thing is just one long smear, isn't it?
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Paul as POPULIST? That's a hoot. Go back and read you history about what the populists were for and against in the 1890s.
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Ah yes, the newsletter affair. Ron Paul had a newsletter published under his name back in the 80s and early 90s, for which he wrote some pieces but otherwise left it to others. And some objectionable stuff was put in there. Stuff that he has repudiated. Stuff that doesn't sound like Ron Paul at all. Stuff he says he didn't write and didn't realize was getting in there. I see little reason not to believe him on that. But ignorant smear artists like Greenberg no doubt will throw whatever mud they think might stick.
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Let's see--isolationist? No, Paul is a non-interventionist, like our country's founders. But I guess peace-and-free-trade looks like "isolationism" from the war-mongering perspective that seems to dominate editorializing at this site.
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Gold standard, federal reserve--Well you know, the Fed was established in 1913 and by 1930 we were in the Great Depression, from which World War II, not the Fed, extracted us. The idea behind a gold or other commodity standard is simply to constrain government spending and meddling in the marketplace. Sounds like a good idea to me. You might suppose some of the so-called "conservatives" at this site would think so too.
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Ron Paul has brought a lot of new people into politics from a libertarian perspective, and many of them are a bit rambunctious to be sure. But when it comes to ignorance and mean-spiritedness, they can't hold a candle to Greenberg. What a hack.
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Kudos to many of the other posters here.

Meanwhile....

Jorge Bush is in Africa pledging 698 MILLION $. It's ok though, we'll just borrow it from China. Oh wait, they've told us to take a hike and are busy buying up gold mines in Africa. Our leaders are truly stupid animals.

Mr Greenberg
Care to educate yourself as to the reality of our nations stability?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2588860308084209137

The more you attack the only candidate that informs the public as to the reality of an out of control federal government, the more supporters he gains.

In regards to the Ron Paul revolution, "We the People" are at page 1 of a Steven King novel.

Criticism of populism, like populism...
...itself, can be oversimplified.

Yet it is nothing to oversimplifying libertarian ideals to the point of calling them populism--or Ron Paul's positions to the point of calling him a one-issue wonder.

I have never heard Dr. Paul blame the Jewish people for much of anything. The only thing I have heard him say about welfare checks is that they enslave people by making them dependent--criticizing those who issue, not receive, them. I have, yes, heard Dr. Paul talk about how inflation robs the savings of those who don't have the financial or mental wherewithal to invest in stocks, but I have also heard him talk about liberty and justice and the folly of nation building. Are these all one issue?

If you are looking for a populist, look at Kuchinich--or Obama, for that matter. If you are looking for your constitutional habeus corpus protection, you had best look overseas, because that is one of many freedoms I can no longer enjoy in the land of my birth. The state no longer has to prove a crime was committed to charge me with it. Is this conspiracy theory or sad fact?

There is nothing about FEMA's obvious ineffectiveness that has anything to do with conservatism or libertarianism--or even a healthy representative democracy. For nearly two centuries, the states handled affairs effectively and efficiently. It isn't a conspiracy theory that power strives to pull power unto itself. There is no reasonable argument to be made for failing to question whether this process has gone far enough.

Of course a conspiracy theorist would support someone who said the federal government is too big. And while I might not agree with such a person, I believe that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. I might defend to the death Mr. Greenbaum's opinion, but I would never lift a finger to abet him in misrepresenting the facts. This article has no place in a self-respecting publication.

American history
"American history is so remarkably continuous, like American institutions, that sometimes it’s scarcely necessary to consult the history books to find out what some past political cause was like. We need only observe a current one."

The Vietnam war, the Korean war, and now the Iraq war. Need I say more?

Did I Stumble Into a Liberal Blog??
What's the qualitative difference between Dr. Paul and Barry Goldwater? It astonishes me how many Conservatives are willing to take issue with Goldwater's political philosophy.

And did I ever think I'd see the day when a Conservative speaks out in favor of Social Security? Or rampant financial irresponsibility?

"a little inflation." HAHAHAHA!! Yeah, and John McCain has "a little" contact with Democrats!! The dollar is worth FOUR CENTS compared to the 1913 dollar when we first ditched the gold standard.

Obviously, the answer is that a lot of people who think they're Conservatives these days, have no clue what the word means.

What did Gandhi say?
"First they IGNORE you, then they LAUGH at you, then they FIGHT you, THEN YOU WIN." Gandhi

Dr. Paul said in one of his newsletters that when they (msm)start to attack, that will be a good sign that we the patriots are doing our job.

Keep it up Ron Paul Patriots! When nonsense such as this starts to spew, dig in harder, we are making a difference!

GO RON GO!


R. Paul and D. Kucinich
Ron Paul should join up with Dennis Kucinich, the other total nut case in this year's political arena, and go away on Kucinich's UFO space ship. It would be a genuine relief not to see either of them ever again.

Rexbo
Thanks for the persuasive logical argument. You obviously put a lot of thought into your response, are very knowledgeable on political issues, and have made a valuable contribution to this discussion. Please feel free to continue gracing this website with your uncommonly brilliant commentary!

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"Ron Paul should join up with Dennis Kucinich, the other total nut case in this year's political arena, and go away on Kucinich's UFO space ship. It would be a genuine relief not to see either of them ever again."

and now back to American Idol....

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" 'First they IGNORE you, then they LAUGH at you, then they FIGHT you, THEN YOU WIN.' Ghandi"

This quote might be a bit outdated. Ghandi didn't have to deal with the MSM. The Ellseworth Tooheys of the world will make sure that Ron Paul is permanently ignored by the mainstream media.

The question is...
Why would PG write this article?

Is something happening within the campaign process to trigger this superfluous hit piece? Perhaps some of the Republican party elite are sensing an implosion of McCain's campaign.

He is failing to unite the party. Said failure was predictable. It is also unavoidable.

McCain cannot win in the general election. Is that fact finally getting noticed? Is the reality of that fact starting to filter down to the rank and file party members? Is there panic? What will the party leadership do?

Hmmmm
Moonkeeper?

Perhaps you are playing to much World of Warcraft and need to come back to reallity. Ha ha ha ha ha!

Ha Ha Ha

That was supposed to be IDIOT not diot.

Paul Greenberg -- Well Said!
Nice article. Well stated and exactly as I have viewed it.

SteveL gulled by rhetoric
The point is that while few will say "Let's just ignore the Constitution," many do, including some on the Supreme Court (think McCain Feingold). Hitler didn't campaign by promising total subjugation and mass destruction, but nevertheless, that was his aim.

No serious person can honestly say that the federal government complied with Article 1 of the Constitution and limited itself to the enumerated powers, i.e., limited itself to only those powers stated in the Constitution, limited by the Bill of Rights and the other protections found in the Constitutional text.

SteveL has yet to learn that politicians should be judged on their actions, not campaign rhetoric.

As to fiat money and the income tax, just because something is technically constitutional doesn't mean it's a good idea! It needs to be debated on the merits.

I'm sad for Ron Paul supporters
People who need a messiah can sure do better than Ron Paul. For instance, the REAL Messiah's Name is Jesus.

Admittedly, Jesus is no Ron Paul... Thank God!!

What a pantload of disproven...
... dishonest garbage! Not only does Paul Greenberg recycle the discredited "Ron Paul is a racist!" lies the liberals at New Republic were peddling, he adds blood libel, "Ron Paul is a Jooohater!" nonsense. Worse, Greenberg does it with extreme fraud -- not even guilt by association, but guilt by mentioning in the same sentence (Father Coughlin? Ezra Pound? Oh please...) Finally this clown can write several hundred words of bloviation on Ron Paul and mention the word "libertarian" only once. What rock has Greenberg been living under? He should take this spew to Free Republic where it belongs.

Ron Paul, American Artifact
The use and misuse of the terms populism and populist are everywhere today. I commend Greenberg for giving accurate, historical meaning to these terms. Like him, I consider populism to be a dangerous political manifestation. I also think, however, that its significant manifestation in a political context is usually caused by a serious failure in either institutions or leadership. And the current manifestation of it is not an exception to this general rule. Populists today, like those in history, are angry about the larger forces that they see as damaging their well-being – forces primarily relating to globalization in general and trade in particular. If we had received the benefit of better national leadership over the two decades following the Reagan administration, the “dogs of populism” might not have been loosed upon the political scene as they are now.

goatlockerloungelizard writes:
"but the greatest ideals never require rationalization"

You got that right!

Jacy Proclaims Conspiracy!
Jacy writes, "Dr. Paul sounds better and better after what our manipulating political parties, pandering politicians and the media have offered up as a choice for our next President."

Sounds a bit like a conspiracy plot.

Who predicted the current credit bubble?
Yes, Ron Paul has been critical of the Fed, but don't you think, with the credit bubble now bursting, he is looking more prescient with each passing day? In fact, Fed chairmen and apologists have notably gotten it wrong... very wrong. Some examples:

“Most of the negatives in housing are probably behind us.”
– Alan Greenspan, Commerce Finance Association conference, October 26, 2006

“At this juncture...the impact on the broader economy and financial markets of the problems in the subprime markets seems likely to be contained.”
– Ben Bernanke, Federal Reserve Chairman, AFX News, March 28, 2007

“[Greenspan's] performance has indeed been remarkable. There is no other period of comparable length in which the Federal Reserve System has performed so well.”
– Milton Friedman, The Wall Street Journal, January 31, 2006

Oh really? The same faith in the Fed was evident during in 1929:

It may be well again to stress the all-important point that the Federal Reserve has it in its power to change interest rates downward any time it sees fit to do so and thus to stimulate business.
~ Financial World, April 10, 1929

The only thing we learn from history is we never learn from history.


My Confidence is Faltering
I would expect to read or hear something like Greenburg's article on one of the mayjor news media but not on Townhall. Townhall shame on you.

Steve Kubby State of the Union 2008

Another good article from Greenberg
I detest many of the cited examples of Populism both recent and historic. Paul's concerns over the dollar are reasonable, though, and at least deserve an honest debate. Regardless of how well he fares in the primary, I'd hate to see him run on a third party ticket. This will severely undercut the seriousness of his positions. He will merely go the way of Perot, a spoiler candidate.

Ron Paul supporters would be well advised to consider McCain in the general election. Although both candidates have many differences, Paul has more in common with McCain than Clinton. Moreover, Paul's ideas would be completely lost under another Clinton administration. The GOP is much more open to debate than the democrats.

Constitution? Populists? Conspiracies?
Did Ron Paul ever state that the constitiution was being undermined by a self-serving elite? If he did, it does not mean that there are not people who are indeed undermining the constitution. It is easy to attack a political movement by pointing out extreme examples from history, and Populism can be an easy target. But just because conspiracies are proposed by Populists does not mean there are not conspiracies. And conspiracies have participants from all groups: racial, religous, cultural, political, etc. I am not a Ron Paul supporter, but I do not dismiss his ideas simply because he is Libertarian. Or was it Populist?

Actions speak louder than words
SteveL: "Have you EVER heard ANY politicians--liberal, conservative, Democrat, or Republican--ever say 'Let's just ignore the Constitution'???"

No, they don't say it; they just do it. It would take someone of even more colossal stupidity than your average politician to come right out and say it.

Whenever the Constitution gets in the way of what their little hearts, or should I say their big contributors, desire the Constitution is going to lose.

Populists are Socialists
Go back to the early years of the 20th century and examine the populists. They were socialists not constitutionalists. Ron Paul is for the U.S. Constitution and to even imply that Rep. Paul is populists is a lie.
What is the reason for this latest smear Mr. Greenberg? Is Rep. Paul still a threat to the neo-cons or globalists? I just wonder, that's all.

The only example you forgot ...
The only example that Greenberg forgot to add to the list of Ron Paul supporter conspiracy theories was “Humpty Dumpty was pushed.”

At a loss
to explain this column. What does "No state shall make any but gold and silver a payment for all debts..." mean? Why did private mints exist for years (Mormon, Becthler, Wass Molitor, etc.)

We are down to too few forced into bailing out too many, and a nearly complete loss of Federalism and States Rights. And no, these aren't code words for anything but what the US Constitution says that they are.

"In 1794, when Congress appropriated $15,000 for relief of French refugees who fled from insurrection in San Domingo to Baltimore and Philadelphia, James Madison stood on the floor of the House to object saying, "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.""

You need more education. See more here, Mr Greenberg:

http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/quotes/govt.ht ml

The only example you forgot ...
The only example that Greenberg forgot to add to the list of Ron Paul supporter conspiracy theories was “Humpty Dumpty was pushed.”

Ron Paul rEVOLution continues
Mr. Greenburg,

Your article is certainly full of nonsense and leaves one wondering why you wrote it. Can you really be such a fool or are you deliberatly trying to deceive? Nevertheless, the Ron Paul rEVOLution continues as many many more discover that this is really a continuation of the original American Revolution.

Please try to seek truth from now on.

Ron Paul 2008!!!!!!!!

Are liberals nuts?
WorldNetDaily
Feb. 16,2008
Top shrink concludes liberals are nuts! In a new book by Dr. Lyle Rossiter "The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness"

Thank you for proving him correct.

Speaking of artifacts...
it seems YOU are the artifact. A tired old leftover of an ancient breed that has no respect for the intelligence of the American people.

Well, the reign of terror is finally ending. America is waking from this nightmare to find we can still correct the evils done by the Federal Reserve.

I'm sure it must be hard on those who have been stealing from productive society for so long. It must be frustrating to find your slaves rebelling and not listening to the lies and platitudes you've been handing out so long.
And really it is just just too predictable playing the dreaded Jew card. Why not mention the Holocaust while you're at it? Or maybe slavery in Egypt?

Yes, Mr Greenberg, you are an artifact. The only thing is, artifacts generally have value, and you are utterly worthless.

Where to begin?
"One can hear its old delusions whenever Ron Paul speaks: The Constitution is being undermined by a self-serving elite." Delusion? I think to anyone observing recent history (Scamnesty, anyone?) that truth should be self-evident.

That Townsend Plan you mention sounds more like the stupid stimulus package causing US taxpayers to go another $158 billion in debt to foreigners, not like something Ron Paul would propose. He OPPOSED the stimulus package.

And Social Security is neither simple nor effective. It's a glorified Ponzi scheme, though even worse because you're forced into this scheme. There's no guarantee you'll get a return on your "contributions" either. Sorry, Virginia, there's no Trust Fund and payouts will soon overtake "contributions."

The Federal Reserve is privately owned, not a part of the government. It has no constitutional right to control the country's monetary policy.

One could go on and on pointing out all the distortions and plain lies in this column. Obviously, history and economics aren't Mr. Greenberg's areas of expertise.

***********
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."...Thomas Jefferson






Thanks for helping to make up my mind.
I began reading this article in the hopes of learning something. Instead, the column was short on facts and long on baseless attacks. I disagree with some of Paul's positions on foreign policy. However, rather than vote for the lesser evil I will vote for Dr. Paul. This column helped make up my mind.

He won't win, but at least I can feel good about my vote.

Thanks.


Many troops and veteran support Ron Paul
I guess they approve of "artifacts."

Here's an interesting breakdown of the top five companies or organizations, as well as the top five industries, from which each candidate gets the most donations. It also gives total money raised, spent and how much cash is on hand.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/moneyweb.asp?cycle=2008

Note: on my browser, some of the bubbles reduced in size after a few seconds. Scroll over them and they'll reappear in their entirety.

The comments for this article
It's unusual for the comments to be more informative than the column, but that's definitely the case this time. Thanks to those who made well-reasoned and informative comments.

It'll keep me reading the comments even if most times it's disappointing and frustrating.

Populist, Libertarian... same difference
Unless you went to high school. I am absolutely dumbstruck that Ron Paul would be called a Populist. Dumbstruck!

Unlike many of you noble souls that didn't vote for Ron Paul but still defend him: I DID vote for Ron Paul. Lest you get ahead of yourself, I am an Iraq War supporter; but the only way for me to vote my conscience on abortion, taxes, and spending was to vote for Paul, and ultimately I care more about America than Iraq.

The undeniable reality is that the Federal Government and the American people are spending themselves into a hole they might not be able to dig out of. The best way to alleviate this spending craze is to return the Federal government to the limited authority IT WAS INTENDED to have, and return spending projects to the states, AS THEY WERE INTENDED TO BE.

Polls v Actions -- Many Times At Odds
Reaganite writes, "Many troops and veteran support Ron Paul I guess they approve of "artifacts."

Possibly so. However, you are using a poll, which has a 50/50 chance of acuracy. It has been my experience that voters do not always deliver as promised. The actual act of voting is a dramatic paradigm change from answering a pestering pollster.

It happens in the food business all of the time. Of course, everybody knows that nobody eats a McDonald's!

Runaway Train
Our Government's over envolvement in our lives and the running of countries abroad are both form of nation building. Our meddlesome leadership has veered off the route our forefathers intent. Ron Paul sees this....but he won't be elected. I would vote for him in a minute, if I didn't think my vote would be wasted. We are the biggest losers!

American History
American history is amazing, it's just a shame that so few have learned anthing from it. It's obvious that very few people pick up a book to read these days; they would rather be spoon-fed "truth" than to reseach events for themselves. I believe that Ron Paul supporters read more than watch tv. To the rest of you may I suggest turning off the boob tube and feasting your eyes on some events of recent history that is contained in books. I wont have you go back over anything prior to the 20th century. Please become aware of what the future of America will be if the status quo continues. Please read: Legacy of Ashes by Tim weiner and The Secret History of the American Empire by John Perkins then maybe you will agree the media selected candidates are wrong for American's that want freedom. McCain, Huckabee,Obama and Clinton are all the same it doesn't matter who of that bunch is elected the only change we will see is less in our paycheck if we even have jobs since they are all in favor of the H1B Visa increases. It's time for people to wake-up, we have a chance to end these socialist practices this time, don't blow it.

A vote for the right person
A vote for the right person is never a wasted vote. If everone thought like that we would be in very sad shape. Don't following the medias commands, make up your own mind, exercise your right to vote.

The Paulians are on the attack!
Kudos on Greenberg in showcasing Ron Paul for whackjob he is. The fact that his minions continue to search the Internet to steamroll anyone who tells the truth about him brings a smile to my face. :)

This column...
and the comments that follow it are resounding proof that the readers here understand the truth and people from the Beltway (pundits and politicians) don`t.

The column was a long boring load of gibberish with obscure references to 19th century politicians that most people don`t know or care about. The policies and statements attributed to Dr. Paul were mis-characterizations and pure falsehoods.

America is in serious, perhaps irretrievable trouble, when a man who wants us to follow the Constitution, spend within our budget, and mind our own business is considered a kook.



Thougts and wishes--
After reading this aricle by PG, pure drivel. Yes I am a Duncan Hunter, and Tancredo supporter, but Ron Paul has some good economic points. Our paper $ is in a free fall and it is going on bonus time until it collapses. (I hope I am wrong). Our spineless politicians hand out $ to every whining entity that comes along, third world countries, illegal alien benefits on our dime, and pork projects etc. etc.
My constant wish is that My and my wife's Viking ancestors could come back and clean out the spineless pols and parasites.. However, I know that they would not accept paper $ for their pay. They very much liked the gold and silver standard because they relieved most of Europe of their precious metals. They wouldn't take credit cards either.

B.N. Svara

I am proud to say...
... I am a Ron Paul supporter. Ron Paul is the only candidate in many years that has told us, the American People, the truth. No other candidate in this election has really been willing to speak about the real problems we face. They just want to spout off platitudes and sound bites to get that five minutes of air time.

Greenspan used to be a believer in the founding father's monetary policies as proven by this quote:

"In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. ... This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard."

-- Alan Greenspan

Then he became a member of the Federal Reserve. Now he mouths the tune these unchecked bankers have been singing for years, since 1913. Does anyone really wonder who is pulling his strings? Really?

More stupidity from Arkansas
Greenberg is spouting more Establishment, ad hominem rhetoric without any proof to back it up.

Ron Paul is telling the truth about our economy, foreign policy and nation. We're bankrupt with an official National Debt of $9 Trillion; we borrow $2-3 billion/day from foreigners to keep paying our bills; and we can't afford our empire-maintaining foreign policy by (supposedly) chasing Johnny Jihad and 'fighting Al-Qaeda' overseas. Ron Paul NEVER said that the Israelis were behind 9/11, or anything similar to that - come on Paul, that's sloppy journalism.

The War on Terror story doesn't make any sense: They hit us over here, so we have to go over there... to make sure they don't hit us over here again. Riiiiiight. I've also got ocean-front property for sale in Oklahoma.

PG is from the same corrupt, God-forsaken state that gave us Bill and Hillary Clinton and Mike Huckabee. Go back to your front porch, drink your moonshine and eat your Moon Pies.

nonfederal reserve
first the gold in the money was stolen.
next the silver was stolen.
copper, nickel next.
if anyone thinks that there are gold bars in Kentucky, it's propaganda.
when the fiat dollar tanks as the german mark tanked in the 1920's, we will then discover wilsons dirty bargain. it will come to be cheaper to wipe with dollar bills than buy toilet paper. it'll take more paper money to buy less toilet paper.

ron paul is wrong because he wants to enforce the constitution? and puts the u.s. first?

adios,
Harvey
Lancaster, Mexifornia
dial 1 for english

Indeed, Mr. Greenberg
Indeed, Mr. Greenburg, you are one of those . . . "instantly recognizable American types, and a disturbing one". You are one of those paid journalistic assassins who are paid to regurgitate the lies they pen and print.

My only question is this: "Do you really believe this stuff?"

really?
I read this article and couldn't stop laughing. Then I almost cried. This little article is so absurd my girlfriend asked me while I read this article "why do you keep laughing to yourself over there?" Then After I read it the reality began to sink in that some poor sap is going to read this and believe what this guy is writing! And that is very sad. I don't feel the need to pick apart every rediculous point this guy tries to make (those who have commented before me have already done that), however it is sad to think that a person who has genuine interest in our government and political system will read this and simply accept what Greenberg writes.
If our media actually believes this stuff, then what about the person who only gets their info from CNN? With ludicrous arguments like this being accepted it is no wonder that we are so "dumbed down" as a society. I can only pray that enough of us Americans awaken from our coma and objectively survey whats really going on around us.................. rather than ending on such a depressing note, it gives me hope when I read the comment section of these types of articles and THE COMMENTS are better written, and contain more facts than the actual article itself.... Folks ARE waking up :)

Paul & McCain Debate Economics


McCain: The Miss Teen South Carolina Of Economics

This would be funny if for the fact McCain could be President!

WATCH VIDEO

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/mccain-the-miss-te en-south-carolina-of-economics

Irrational Exuberance
I see that Greenberg and the GOP pundits are so supremely confident of John McCain's November victory margin that they can safely kick Ron Paul supporters in the teeth. I would have thought that the GOP could use enthusiastic folks who raise $20M for a candidate in a quarter. In my South New Jersey area, the only campaign signs for miles around were for Hillary and Ron Paul. Practically all of my fellow gun club members are Paul supporters. Instead of a little honey and sweet talk to keep us from bolting or stating home, we get vitriolic b.s.
I would have thought that small government, low tax, pro-life, anti-amnesty, homeschooling, pro- gun libertarian leaning Republican voters had a spot in the big tent. But I guess that we don't pass your litmus test, Mr Greenberg. Good luck to Ron Bacardi, Anne, Rexbo et al. Enjoy HillBama for the next four years. No wonder the GOP is known as the stupid party.

No Ron Paul Supporter
But he now takes the lead as I weigh who to write in rather than vote for the liberals running under the Dem and Repub banners.

If not for Paul's weakness on national security issues, I would have supported him earlier in the process. Now with Mr. Greenberg's disingenuous attack on the man, I'll vote for him anyway.

Thanks for helping me with my decision.

Amen brother...
Well it's about time someone spoke out about the
populist "folksy" nonsense coming from Ron Paul's
mouth. In this day and age of a 9 trillion dollar
deficit, endless war abroad and loss of civil
liberties through the Patriot Act and FISA, the LAST
thing we need is some old coot talking about liberty
and the Constitution.
We all know (or should know) that there is no such
thing as an "elite" class in this country, and if
there is they surely don't hold the reigns of power.
How some Americans point to the influence of lobbyists
in Washington and whine is just a sign of how
ill-informed they are. And some even see a link
between Dick Cheney previously being CEO of
Halliburton and the contracts the company is millions
off of during the current Iraq war. I suppose there
will always be conspiracy cranks.
And of course the last thing we need are simple
solutions. Sure we could just follow the document put
forth by the Founders and our President and
legislatures could be held responsible for upholding
their oaths of office, but what a pipe dream that is
right? Folks like you and I know the problems facing
us are messy and complicated, and we need leaders who
will be "serious" about the issues and understand that
at best we can only tinker with the status quo.
Thankfully, the Constitution currently poses no threat
to our system of Government and let's hope it stays
that way. God Bless Amerika!

Yours in murky, collectivist reality,
Dave Castor

Unmitigated bilge.
You don't have to be a Paulbot to pick this twaddle apart.

Paul a populist? What have you been smoking?

Stoop so low
Maybe I overlooked it amongst all the great comments here, but I did not see anyone mention the comment Greenspeak makes about Ezra Pound:

It is actually intellectually disgusting.

He justifies the treatment Pound received (psychiatric incarceration) by saying that it was the more humane way of dealing with him than to try him for treason (with what we must assume the death penalty punishment).

All the way tongue-in-cheek mentioning the USSR's use of same.

Hello Mr. Greenberg! Why should either have been necessary, let alone appropriate? Were we not fighting evil in the name of freedom and against oppression?
Since when is advocating anything by expression ONLY a crime?
Are tyrannical dealings with dissent justified in your opinion just because one claims to be fighting the good cause? Where is the argument for that?

What you implicitly find acceptable is the same unconstitutional thing Lincoln did 80 years earlier. And thereby making moot all your other arguments.

You so helpfully point to the "Jew as scapegoat" argument. How interesting that you should cite Gertrude Stein as an approved witness against Ezra Pound.

I will say no kaddish for you Mr. Greenberg.

satire
Must be! Or is this Greenberg dude a sray from kos?

Obviously...
Greenberg is quite satisfied with the status quo. A neo-conservative if I ever heard one. 'Social Security' and inflation are good ideas?



Greenburg, you're a moron!
Columns like this don't make Townhall.com look good. This easily has to be not only the most idiotic column I've ever read here, but it rivals the rest of the main stream media and the Democratic party in attempting to create truth by media.

Get this clown off this site!

PS...
...it's bad enough that neocons and so-called conservative commentators and radio talk show hosts cannot see the red herring that this war in Iraq is as we simultaneously allow the rug to be yanked out from underneath our feet here at home, but to have it permeate Townhall.com too is worse.

NEWSFLASH from Drudgereport:
Banks Borrow $50 BILLION from FED.

Don't stand too close to the fan....

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/66db756a-de5d-11dc-9de3-0000779fd 2ac.html?nclick_check=1

I wonder if
is inherently racist. Recall the report on Paul's Newsletter, which published the idea that “order was restored to Los Angeles after the 1992 riots when blacks went ‘to pick up their welfare checks.’”

Another of his newsletters says, "The criminals who terrorize our cities -- in riots and on every non-riot day -- are not exclusively young black males, but they largely are. As children, they are trained to hate whites, to believe that white oppression is responsible for all black ills, to 'fight the power,' to steal and loot as much money from the white enemy as possible."

Another says that carjacking is the “hip-hop thing to do among the urban youth who play unsuspecting whites like pianos.” Ebony and ivory. It goes on to say that “...I've urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense. For the animals are coming.”

I have my own little parody-like comment on all this here:

http://forgottenprophets.blogspot.com/2008/01/why-i-am-raci st.html

Overlook my heavy hand. I'm harmless, mostly.

J
http://forgottenprophets.blogspot.com

Populism
I meant "populism" -- is POPULISM inherently racist. But you could figure that out.

J

McCain = neo-conservative
neo-conservative = liberal

Ron Paul = conservative

that is all

Cool Down people
Congrats Mr Greenberg, you got the Ron Paul fan club all riled up.

Okay, you all can put your pitchforks and torch's down, the witchhunt won't do much.

America's made it's choice, Ron Paul made a good showing in a few states, but he isn't going to win unless a few miracles happen for him.

Now, supposedly the point of his presidential run was to help get a grass roots movement going. I propose that instead of trying to burn Greenberg at the stake, you go out and try to get your neighbors to come to town meetings and such.

Also, if you want cold hard logic and throughly researched articles, Townhall.com is not the place to go, considering one of the people on here said that XBOX 360 games promoted group sex and what not.

Also, there is a book called the Dilbert future you all should read. Chapter 6 pretty much proves that intelligence is not important in a democracy, any way you slice it.

Given that our culture has pretty much been in free fall for some time, I'm recommending you all take cover.

R. Paul, historical footnote
What a fitting epitaph for the national political aspirations of the rumpled, slightly unhinged Ron Paul.

Now he can return to Washington and his Texas district, where they seem to hold the eccentric Paul in high esteem.

Most libertarian-leaning conservative could find some appealing ideas in his positions. Unfortunately his racial and conspiracy theories are an embarrassment to reasonable political discourse.

Every day on my way home from work I pass a single, forlorn sign, spattered with slush and road grime, that commands, "GOOGLE Ron Paul." The sign may have another month or so, but the presidential candidacy of Ron Paul has already faded from sight.

Paul Greenberg is the crank!
Paul, you're obviously just another Jewish guy who wants your ilk to continue controlling the media and money. I'm part Jewish, so I feel at liberty to speak about this. But there is no getting around the fact that the reason America prospered and attained the status it once had was because it was FREE. Now that we are so burdened with excess laws and our freedoms have been removed, notice our properity is freefalling. If your views were valid, you wouldn't have to result to so much ad hominem attack and condescending name calling. I learned absolutely nothing from your article that I didn't already know by the 7th grade. I think your readership has already dwindled to zero and you have resorted to writing about Ron Paul because you know at least 10-40% of the population will read your work if you mention his name. Remember, it's not the man, it's the message, and the love of Freedom will never die!

The Two Faces of Paul Greenberg (Janus)

Hitchhiker writes: Monday, February, 18, 2008 11:14 AM
Good column Mr. Greenberg
Now, I am getting the he*l out of here before I get flamed. You did forget to mention the CFR and the new world order. You should have told them they will all be speaking French. The CFR has decided that will be the official language of the world when they have completed the takeover. That would have riled them up even more.

Sir Aslan writes:

Hitchhiker, I believe you are confusing the CFR with the UNITED NATIONS which decided that French would be the official language of the U.N. and by the way...its not a Conspiracy Theory either...its a FACT which apparently you and Mr Greenberg continue to confuse with Conspiracy Theories...by the way...did you know that Evolution is a Theory too? I guess thats ok for Marxists like Greenberg though...you know...to teach a Theory like Evolution as a fact...heaven forbid what his Neocon Comrades would do if Conspiracy Theories were given the same treatment and taught like fact....

Note for SteveL
In 14 states there is also a Conservative Party, that broke away from the Republican Party, for the simple fact that the Republican Party has sold out its principles, values and worst of all its own platform.

You can say that the values that Conservatives espouse can be found in the Republican platform, and that may be so. But can you find any Republicans that follow their own platform? I doubt it.

As far as you knowing what registered voting Conservatives believe in, you haven't a clue! I might as I am a former vice chair of a county Conservative party in upstate New York. A party based in our nations founding principles, values, and Constitution. It may interest you to know that real registered Conservatives are more akin to Libertarians that big one world government Republicans.

Ron Paul = Libertarian (N/T)
Ron Paul = Libertarian (N/T)

WU WEI...YOU ARE WAY OFF??
RONALD REAGAN:
"... it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. ... the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, ..."

Ron Paul Supporters

Please contact our local parties trough their websites and send in your membership. Get involved in your local party.

I am supporting a Ron Paul supporter who was instrumental in getting Ron Paul on the ballot. I am supporting him to replace our local Chair. That is what you all now have to do. Make them fight for it and in that fight we will be stronger together.

Do not waste all this great enegy, keep the momentum going. I too support the Constitution and think you all need to stay involved.

Greenberg a charlatan!
Greenberg, you disingenious, deceitful charlatan! Nice hit piece on Ron Paul and some sick propaganda for the power elite.


Ron Paul
Certainly makes more sense than your article! He is the only candidate who wants to bring this country back from the people who have abused power. He isn't afraid to lay out just exactly what his stance is on issues, what he believes, what he would do - which is certainly more than the idoits we have running now - the blame game - the very empty "hope and change" game - the corrupt - say anything - we're above the law Billary duo - we need and honest man and the only one I see out there is Ron Paul. I wonder how he would medically diagnose John McCain? Personally I believe the man has very severe emotional problems and is not fit to lead.

talk about artifacts
Mr Greenberg should check a mirror before calling anyone else an artifact. And learn the meaning of 'populism" while he's at it. He's an artifact of the last 20 years. And populism is not libertarian self-sufficiency and small government.

Oh, and he should check out guys like Peter Schiff and numerous others who also say the federal reserve causes problems and should go. They're "dummies" who are millionaires because they understand what the fed will do for its buddies and use that knowledge to profit rather than sit like baby seals to be clubbed as their currency is debased.

As it is approaching nomination time
one might think that McManiac Greenburg actually feels threatened in some way by little ol' Ron Paul. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I was hoping that Dr Paul would run for President on the Libertarian ticket, but he already nixed that since the GOP "powers" are presenting him with a re-election problem in his US House District.
Maybe we can get a Pat Buchanan or Alan Keyes to run for President as a Libertarian? Makes no difference to me really; I just know I'm not voting for McVain!

"Artifact"?
Personally, I think that's much too kind. I tend to think of Ron Paul as the Republican equivalent to Dennis Kucinich.

Greenburg, crank, writes:
"Also, while most populists were inflationists, whether of the Greenback or Free Silver brand, Dr. Paul is a deflationist of the goldbug variety, which is what an economy trying to stave off a recession doesn’t need just now."

I have to laugh....

According to you townhall columnists, I thought out economy was "booming". Now its a recession that needs more inflation (i.e. stealing) to prime the pump to get it going.

Let's see...Kudlow...the economy is booming. Tucker...no recession... Bowyer.......what recession?

What idiots. Austrian economists have been predicting the house of cards to fall for years...it was a matter of when, not if. See "The Dollar Crisis", and "Crashproof" for thorough explanations. See anything Murray Rothbard wrote on why depressions occur. Sure our economy looks good because of all the money we spend ("consumerism"), but businesses are over investing for future growth that cannot possibly continue because the current spending is funded by debt!!! A recession is unfortunately NEEDED. Home prices are over-valued simply because the FED dropped its discount rate to 1%....not because of greedy lenders or desperate borrowers. The FED is to blame. They create the booms, and the busts.

What the gold standard is, is a standard that prevents governments from printing fiat money, inflating currency, which limits a government's power. But townhallers like Greenberg pine for massive federal government expansion (i.e. big government) controlled by a small elite minority (central control) who really know better (i.e. communism). Get the picture?


SJ Doc @ Feb18, 12:44 am
You captured my sentiments exactly.

Mr. Greenberg
Would have me accept that I and my family benefit from the pilfering of 3 - 10% of my labor's purchasing value each year, in addition to income taxes, tariffs, regulatory costs, imposts, excises . . .

With the monetary liberty advocated by Dr. Paul comes the freedom to reject the political class' currency and, more importantly, policies. So long as legal tender laws prevail and The Federal Reserve can deluge the market with any level of funding demanded by our elected whores and their corporate pimps, the peaceful and productive are powerless to extricate themselves from perpetual warfare and warfare. My left hand it property of the bellicose and my right is servant to the lazy.

Ron Paul's platform of entangling alliances with none, yet peaceful trade and diplomacy with all, strikes me as far less isolationist than The Decider's Wilsonian nation building. Were the military not being ground down and tied down in foreign lands and stretched from Timbuktu to Blizblahkistan, it would actually enjoy greater mobility to respond to Al Qaeda.

The economic woes that this neocon shill thinks can be meloarated with "a little inflation" are the inexorable mathematical results of yesterday's "a little inflation." Worse yet, the "a little inflation" represents interest bearing debt that our government will compel us to repay to a state-sponsored cartel that produces the proceeds through the counterfeiting magic of fractional reserve banking.

Our social problems would be far less complex if government lacked the ability to fund, exacerbate and perpetuate them. Honest money drives the extremists back to the fringes.

"All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise, not from defects in their Constitution or Confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, so much as from the downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation." John Adams (conspiracy nut)

Greenspans quote worth repeating
Back before he became one of the elite:

"In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. ... This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard."

heresyarch
I share your concerns, but the main reason we left the gold standard is impossible to get around: We simply didnt have enough of it to back all the promisary notes any longer. Now admittedly, this could have been dealt with any number of ways, but the government in its wisdom decided it would be easier to have money backed by nothing. Frankly I think everyone should own gold or silver. It is a smart move.

Signs on Kauii
Recently I took the long climbing drive to the top of Kauii's equivalent of the Grand Canyon. To my surprise the lookout to this natural Hawaiian phenomenon was marred by a sign promoting Ron Paul for president!

You've got to admit that Paul knows how to use the internet to recruit aggressive people who feel a need to belong to something they feel is larger than themselves.

But the people have spoken now and the Paulites lost. It's time for Paul and Huckabee to stop fighting fellow Republicans so the GOP can unite and gear up for victory in November.

Let's see if there's enough party loyalty and statesmanship in those two to take care of that.

And hopefully the Paulites will take up a collection and send someone to Kauii to take down that sign...

http://mittromney.townhall.com

Recent Bernanke statements
"On the inflation front, a key development over the past year has been the steep run-up in the price of oil. Last year, food prices also increased exceptionally rapidly by recent standards, and the foreign exchange value of the dollar weakened.... (If) inflation expectations "to become unmoored or for the Fed's inflation-fighting credibility to be eroded could greatly complicate the task of sustaining price stability and reduce the central bank's policy flexibility to counter shortfalls in growth in the future."




i.e. The Fed is loosing control of money and is hedging its bets. Look at Japan's recent monetary ineffectiveness.

Did you say artifact?
Surprise, it's NOT John McCain, although there is sufficient evidence for such.

And by November we will likely all truly say the RNC is an artifact of history as well.

My own party, becoming an artifact, right in front of me. If you can't beat 'em, at least you don't have to join 'em.

Ron Paul
please some call the hospital one of your patients is loose and spilling his insanity on the net. Ron Paul like Mike Huckabee is a joke. Some one please get a cage and lock him away. He has no concept of what he is talking about. Pathetic? Yes. He has no business Running for President.

I never took Ron Paul seriously
Until I was faced with the prospect of McCain.

Some make the argument that the Repubs need to unite, but they never say why that person we must unite behind has to be McCain. It may as well be Ron Paul as McCain. For that matter, it may as well be Alan Keyes.

If we're going to unite, lets find someone more worthwhile than McCain-Feingold or McCain-Gang of 14 or McCain-Amnesty.

alittlechild
We have to unite behind McCain because he beat RP that is why. It is as simple as that but don't get me started on these rigged open primaries.

bob writes:
We simply didnt have enough of it to back all the promisary notes any longer.

Yes, and even our deficit with China would eat up our gold reserves.

Greenspan on the issue of returning to a gold standard offers an anti-inflationary possibility.

http://www.gold-eagle.com/greenspan011098.html

Conpiracy is bad?
Who gave it such a bad reputation?
I am in a conspiracy that has lasted 231 years.

Conspiracies are not half as bad as arrognat fools like Greenburg


Greenburg is a member of the elite
and a total idiot! He just doen't "get it" at all. Perhaps some of Ron Paul's ideas are little too far out, but he is certainly correct in noting that the elites have been manipulating the system for their own benefit. It is no wonder that so many of these useless bums come to Washington living like we all do, paycheck to paycheck. Then suddenly, they are multi-millionaires.

We need to totally reject the DEM/GOP/MSM propaganda machines, one of its biggest mouths being Greenburg. They all support each other and the partisanship they exhibit is killing our country. Any vote for any of these elites is treason!

If you care about how our birthright has been stolen from us by the corrupt Democrat & Republican parties, you need to visit my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG After all, how much more of their crap are we going to take while they squander the nation's resources, weaken the military, sell out our sovereignty, and mortgage the future?

Isn't it time we actually did something? Shouldn't we demand that the elites who run the show either perform or get out? For years we have watched the problems build, energy being the best example. and what have they done? Absolutely nothing! I am pissed off and not ready to have another of the kleser of two evils election! Check out the site, you will not be disappointed. Thanks, Joe

US Constitution is a conspiracy
Those old nut cases AND kooks has given the world such nonsense.

Anyone can tell how useless they are for today with the kooky ideas they came up with.

Seeing the light Greenburg shines for this present day of Aquarius.

Individualistic trends are silly and the collectivist expansion of thought and policy makes one soooooooooo above it all, he can sum up all the citizens who would think Ron Paul is actually human, and dismiss them as kooks.
Write them off as archaic, useless, forgotten, mindless conspiracy nuts.
No such thing as a conspiracy by any one at any time.
Lenin was just a good planner and we need to reassess the collective thinking and hand more decisions to the wise men like McCain, Obama and the darling lady Hilliary.
Oh yeah, include Greenburg with all the due recognition of superiority over all us kooks who think like one of the Founders.

With the only proven track record of even talking about that old conspiracy by the Founding Fathers.

The Fed isn't elite?
Umm, then what is it, Mr. Greenburg?

The Fed is made up of a small group of people who mainly share common interests and associate with similiar individuals. This group makes policy that effects everyone else.

Sounds like a good definition of elite to me.

Poor Mr. Greenberg.
The one so often labeled extreme is usually the one who speaks the truth. Sir you have bought into the lie and become apart of the establishment that suppresses the truth by wickedness and self gain, and for this you are without excuse.

Your thinking has become futile and your foolish heart darkened by the political corruption all around you that you have accepted and endorsed.

Although you think yourself wise your writing is an open declaration of just how foolish you have become. You serve worldly propaganda and no longer retain the knowledge of clarity.

Insolence, arrogance, and boastfulness coupled with no understanding, no fidelity, no love of truth. You not only seem to be a part of the corrupt political system currently in play, but you probably do the very things that are unconstitutional and approve of those who do the same.

It is no suprise Romans 1:21-32 syndrome is very common these days!

E.S. Myskowski

http://puritancrier.googlepages.com


Populists are demagogues
To Paul Greenburg,
I have never known of a populist who was not also a pandering demogogue. I am not supporting RPaul (although I voted for him over Dukakis and Bush in 1988), but one term I would never associate with him is either populism or demagoguery. He is nothing if not principled, which isn't something one associates with populists.

You are wrong here.
Best regards,
Tim Cranston

When
The fiat Federal Reserve Notes have finally returned to their true value as the Confederate Dollar, we can then understand better how much wiser the bankers are then the Founders.

Lowest Bidder
The most infuriating thing about this hack job is that Greenburg knows full well that this country was sold to the lowest bidder in 1913. Our "money" is simply a weapon wielded against us.

MacMoore:actual donations,Paul vs McVain
Nice try, but the website referenced donations by company or organization. No polls were mentioned. Google, Micro$oft, the US Navy, the US Army and the US Air Force were the five employers whose employees donated most to Ron Paul. For comparison purposes, take a look.

Ron Paul:
US Army
US Navy
US Air Force
Google
Microsoft

John McCain:
Citigroup
Goldman Sachs
Merrill Lynch
Greenberg Traurig (a top lobbying firm;Abramoff)
Blank Rome LLP (another lobby firm)

Look at the top five donor companies of Obama and Clinton; you'll see some similarities with McCain.




Listen to all the Democrats

posting here and knocking the Republican candidates. I recommend readers give them enough time to laugh at them and their pathetic attempts to dispirit the Republican Party.

Eddie, Dude, Just wake up?
Been in a coma the last several months?


Loyalty to the GOP?
Justamere10 writes:

"It's time for Paul and Huckabee... so GOP can unite and gear up for victory in November.
Let's see if there's enough party loyalty and statesmanship in those two to take care of that."

Well, loyalty is one thing, but when you have to sell your principles just to keep the mammon or the power, then loyalty is no virtue at all.

I will rather vote for a real Democrat than for a RINO like McCain.
As Buchanan recently wrote:
When Americans are faced with the choice of a Democrat vs. a Democrat, they will vote for the Democrat.

On major issues of concern (bigger government, more deficit spending [he is such a liar, how will he fund the war without more deficits or new taxes?], real justices on the court {pro-Ginsburg, anti Bush appointees}, immigration) McInsane has deserted true Republican values a long time ago.

I can get all those follies from Barack or Hillary, and they at least won't keep us in Iraq another 100 years!

AND: there IS a SILVER lining in Obama or Clinton 2, because either will mess things up so bad (the next Jimmy Carter), that they will lose in 2012, and the Congress perhaps in 2010. Just remember what happened in 1994 with the "Contract". (one of the most flagrant violators of the contract was of course McInsane).

I will never vote for McCain, even if that means a Democratic White House. Perhaps then the neo-con hijacked GOP will reform. If not, good riddance to it.
To quote Ron Paul: The Republican Party has LOST its WAY.

That is why it does NOT deserve my loyalty!

SJ Doc:

It is you who needs to be made aware of the facts about Milton Friedman.

The deceptive scheme of income tax withholding had nothing to do with Milton Friedman* but was a concoction of Beardsley Ruml** (Google his name and learn something from sources other than Ron Paul for a change).

Your ignorant rant about Milton Friedman is a perfect example of exactly what's wrong Ron Paul and his followers: They are addicted to taking intellectual shortcuts which makes them susceptible to swallowing entire buffets of disinformation whole and getting drunk on illogic which causes them to jump on the nearest soapbox and spew buckets of half-digested ideas on unsuspecting passers-by.

I am as passionate as the next Patriot but I do not get excited about misdirected causes based on false information.

Had you read my post before flying off the handle to shout me down, you would have seen that I accused Ron Paulian's such as yourself of being hysterically irrational. Not offensive.

You could not offend me if you tried: A person has to respect someone before they can be offended by that person.
__________________
*You should read Milton Friedman's "Freedom of Choice". You'd find that you can learn a lot when Ron Paul is not your only source of information.

**Beardsley Ruml was chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and advisor to FDR. His income tax withholding scheme was a variation of installment buying, a payment plan instituted by Ruml as an executive of Macy's department store.

Jack,

I know they have been here a long time, but there may be Republicans new to the site who may believe that Republicans are advocating not voting for the GOP candidate in November. I just wanted to make sure they know that there are many Dems on this site trying to confuse loyal Republicans.

Actually eddie
there are many lifelong republicans on this site who have figured out that the GOP has abandoned it's base.

The republican party has been hijacked by a group of self-serving hypocrites who show no loyalty to our country or the american people and John McCain is the primary example.

His entire political career favors a leftist ideology yet when it comes election time he suddenly wants to secure our borders. The man is a liar who will say anything to capture a vote.

While inflation is eroding our monetary system into irrelavence one true conservative is offering a solution (Paul) yet the MSM offers us McCain as the conservative leader.

I'll choose conservatism over party loyalty any day of the week but to some I'm a tin-foil hatter.

Someone has truly lost their mind.

to wayward1
Amen to your post, and see my thoughts on the matter a few above that.

May I also add a few more tidbits to critique of McCain:

His attempt to foil the Arizona referendum with respect to real IDs for everyone (targeting illegals to be sure) which passed despite his best efforts, and with almost 50% of Hispanic (legal) voters in favor of same.

His dogged work on keeping the POW-MIA investigation from being continued, where he was the congressional leader in getting it finished (what was he trying to hide).

His sponsorship of bills that disenfrachised the Dineh-Navajo, which the UN even called a human rights violation (see http://www.acsa.net/cain2004.org/Dine-Navajo-PressRelease. htm)
Why did he do this? Because he takes money from the coal mining industry.
So much for campaign finance reform, Mr TwoFaceMcCain

DisABEL McCain!

wayward1
That is absolutely correct. I have been a life-long Republican, and it was Ron Paul's adherence and life-long commitment to true conservative principles that first drew me to his campaign.

In all fairness, I believe Duncan Hunter also had good conservative values, but again he was rejected by the Republican party and pushed aside. Both he and Paul were given very little time in the debates and minimal press exposure. If it were not for Ron Paul's effective use of the Internet to spread his message and generate revenue, I have no doubt Ron Paul would have disappeared just as quickly.

Contrary to what the press would want us to believe (and remember this is the same liberal press that has been distorting the news for decades), this election is far from over. McCain is likely to not garner the necessary delegates to win the nomination outright, and even most of his delegates are not committed to vote for him. We will likely have a brokered convention, and then all bets are off. If the economy continues to sour, you may just see Ron Paul's name rise again as a viable option for the delegates to consider.

To the Ron Paul detractors, what exactly is it about Ron Paul that is a joke? If the only thing you can think of is his foreign policy (which has its own merits), ask yourself why the Republican party is not at least taking his economic policies and adherence to the Constitution seriously. Who really has the most to lose in a Ron Paul presidency?


eddie
What would lead you to believe that there are a lot of Democrats on this thread? Reading through the posts, I see a lot of talk about fiscal responsibility and limited government. Since when are these the hallmarks of the Democratic party?

The Democrats have long been about increasing the size of government because they believe that the best way to implement change and help people is through large government programs: national health care, national education, Social Security, Medicare. Ron Paul is staunchly against such notions as he believes solutions are best implemented by individual citizens at the most local levels possible (thus maximizing freedom). Does this sound like a Democrat to you?

While it is true that his position on foreign policy is much different than the current Republican leadership, it is certainly not a Democratic position either. The Democrats have long been in favor of increased government programs for foreign aid and involvement in assisting the United Nations all around the world with our military personnel. This was the hallmark of the Clinton presidency. So while this may not be in line with the current Republican platform, it has little to nothing to do with the Democrats either.

What specifically about the Ron Paul supporters would lead you to believe they are Democrats? Should you blindly support a candidate who CLAIMS to be a Republican but whose history and record show a strong liberal bias simply because the media has forced him upon you as a "conservative"? Since when do we trust the media anyway?

Would you call America’s founders “kooks

Ron Paul: Direct Descendant of the Founders


As the nation’s major media outlets crown John McCain (George W. Bush on steroids) as the Republican nominee for president, their nearly criminal neglect of Ron Paul’s candidacy in the 2008 presidential campaign is nearly complete. “Big media” have never deemed Paul a “major candidate,” as their paltry coverage of him shows.

In fact, the media often brand the ardent groundswell of popular support for Ron Paul as an odd curiosity. The problem is that if Ron Paul is a kook—as they imply—then so are the nation’s founders. His policy prescriptions of more limited government at home and military restraint abroad put him far closer to the spectrum of opinion at the founding than any other candidate in the 2008 race.

The media barons would never dream of implying that the founders were loony tunes. But the country’s current massive government, with its intrusive activism at home and abroad, is so far removed from the founding vision that the modern-day manifestation of such values appears downright weird to today’s press corps.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/ron-paul-direct-de scendant-of-the-founders

We Are the Dead
If the U.S. Constitution becomes toilet paper, it will not be the fault of Ron Paul.

Yeah, let’s all unite behind the man who trashed the First Amendment, who grudgingly condescended that he would build the GD fence, who shamelessly hugged the man who called the Constitution “just a GD piece of paper.”

It’s significant that I can’t quote the actual language of those for whom I’m supposed to be voting, without running afoul of the TH gatekeepers.

Just once in my life, I would like to see H. L. Mencken’s signature assertion given a ride for its money.

Ann “invade their countries” Coulter is voting Democrat.

Twenty-seven million Americans are functionally illiterate: Greenberg’s advantage.

“He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark mustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.”
----George Orwell,Nineteen Eighty Four


Nuance
The only thing that really could lead one to believe that many Democrats are trolling here, is a simpleton, black-and-white world view.

ie: They're against the war, so they must be Democrats, because any good Republican is for the war.

GROW UP!

As to Paul and Huckabee, I hope they stay in the race so that McInsane does NOT get his 1191 delegates.

Even if he ends up with the nod in MN (likely), a floor debate will finally air the bases disontent.

People seem to forget, that most of the states McCain did very well in are BLUE states, and that many of the Rep-primary voters were independents that voted Dem mostly in the main election.
NJ is perfect ex: 50+% McCain-when was the last time NJ went Republican for Pres, Senate, Governor, etc (forget Whitman, loser corrupt neo-con herself).

If the voting US has drifted so far to the left/center, then so be it. Lets save the Republican Party, and then carry the message to the people.

How to do that? By unhijacking the Party from the pseudo conservatives, the Guilanis, McCains, and the neo-cons, even if that means defeat to Barillary in the fall.

Ron Paul; Not perfect, but...
As others have noted, it's fairly idiotic of Paul Greenberg to call Ron Paul a "populist", considering that historically, real American populists called for more government intervention in the economy and redistribution of wealth. That's the opposite of what Ron Paul stands for. Ron Paul is a libertarian, and so am I, and so I'll be voting for him in the GOP primary. (And then probably sitting out the general election, or voting third party, since John McCain is about the most non-libertarian candidate the GOP could come up with, except maybe Mike Huckabee.)

Unlike some of his supporters here, I don't regard Rep. Paul as a great savior or a perfect, ideal Presidential candidate. I'm a more moderate libertarian than he is, and some of his positions are downright, shall we say, quirky even by my standards. I'm disturbed by those racist statements that turned up years ago in some of his newsletters; I believe Paul when he says he didn't write them himself, but it still shows carelessness in allowing writings he didn't agree with to appear under his name.

But Ron Paul is right that our next President *ought* to take the Constitution and his oath of office far more seriously than any recent President has done (or than John McCain is likely to do). Ron Paul is right that Iraq was a mistake and that we in the U.S. need to forget the idea that we can single-handedly rule and reform the whole world. He's right that big, intrusive government used for "conservative" ends is just as bad as liberal big government. And voting for Ron Paul is the best way I have of standing up for my beliefs (even if Paul carries some of those beliefs farther than I might) and of signaling in what direction I think the Republican party, and the U.S., should move.

Ron Paul, Greenberg and Israel
No American populist that I know of was a staunch Constitutionalist. Nor an advocate of small government. Those are Ron Paul's two salient benchmarks. Greenberg's thesis doesn't wash.

But this belated attack by Greenberg on Paul -- who has already lost the GOP nomination -- raises a troubling question. Why is Greenberg here presenting this pathetic guilt through (Greenberg's made up) association of Ron Paul with people in mental hostitals, etc.?

I suspect that the answer lies in the Middle East. Greenberg is an ARDENT supporter of Israel, and Dr. Paul's call for a noninterventionist foreign policy threatens our country's massive financial and military commitments to Israel. The popular support for Paul, with his emphasis on nonintervention (or at least follwing the dictates of our Constitution in such matters) undermines that mindless commitment to Isreal.

I'm half Jewish. My mom's family (Germanic Jews) was all but wiped out by the Nazis. As far as I'm concerned, the U.S. should have summarily executed all NAZI party members who had the slightest role in exterminating the Jews. I'm no pacifist.

I've never been a practicing Jew, but I've been to enough Jewish temple meetings to grasp the rock-solid tie between the Jewish religion and the state of Israel. Whether or not Greenberg is Jewish, his commitment to Israel is every bit as strong as the commitment I found in Jewish services.

ANYONE (including myself) who is opposed to America's political (as opposed to personal) support for Israel is subjected to slanderous attacks similar to Greenberg's diatribe against Ron Paul.

I cheer Israel on, but oppose (as does Dr. Paul) our meddling in the Middle East. THAT sin by Dr. Paul is what brings out the big guns to attack him.

Can't hit homers like Hank Greenberg!
Uninformative article. Confuses populism and libertarianism. confuses socialism and Ron Paul. Why did you write this, were you half asleep? Were you angry and venting j