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Friday, February 08, 2008
Paul Greenberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
Down With Polls
by Paul Greenberg
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Will the Dems' health care Christmas Present to America be an improvement or detriment to our health care system?


It's a snap commenting on yesterday's elections the morning after. The hard part is saying something about the elections before the results are in, which is when this column is being written. And my crystal ball is in the shop, dangit.

The late not-so-great Westbrook Pegler started out as a talented sportswriter and engaging political commentator back in the last century, but wound up a sodden right-wing crank. He once confessed that, contrary to popular belief, it wasn't his hatred of Eleanor Roosevelt that had driven him bonkers. It was having to write on Monday and not being published till Friday in those slow-motion, Via Air Mail days. He should have tried writing a Wednesday column about a Tuesday election that hadn't happened yet.

But that's no problem in our high-tech age. Thanks to the modern miracle of public opinion polls, with all their latest scientific advances, we now know just how the elections will go even before the polls are closed. Why go through the formality of counting the votes?

Here's what that kind of thing leads to: Not long ago I spent the day of the New Hampshire primary pounding out a trenchant analysis of why Barack Obama had scored so decisive a victory over Hillary Clinton in that early test of their electoral strength. We all knew just how the vote would come out. The polls had told us: It would be Obama by a mile; his lead was insurmountable.

Here at the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, our editorial for the next day analyzing the significance of Barack Obama's dramatic victory was in type well before the polls closed in New Hampshire. Early in the evening as the election returns began dribbling in, Sen. Clinton took a slight lead, which surely would fade as the night went on.

Always thinking ahead, my syndicated column along the same presumptuous lines had already been dispatched for distribution first thing in the morning. All a couple of us on the editorial page had to do was hang around the newsroom just for safety's sake. Miss Hillary's edge was sure to fade as the night wore on, wiped out by the Obama tide. It was a sure bet. Even the Clinton camp was preparing to explain why its candidate's loss in New Hampshire wasn't all that serious.

But a funny thing happened on the way to Senator Obama's triumph in New Hampshire. It never happened. Instead, Senator Clinton's early lead widened instead of disappearing, and by our final deadline - our last chance to yank that editorial - she was eking out a victory. Discomfited as I was, I did the only thing a man could: laugh out loud.

Barack Obama's victory had turned into the surest thing since DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN in 1948. I don't think I've ever identified so strongly with Col. McCormick's old Chicago Tribune, which ran that premature and now historic headline back in '48. The picture of Harry Truman proudly holding it up has become an iconic image by now.

Quick like an editor, I pulled the not so prescient editorial I'd spent so much time polishing, and found something less embarrassing to run in its place. And I hastened to get an e-mail off to my editor at the, yes, Tribune syndicate in Chicago. It began: MANDATORY KIL. Lest my column see the light of day.

Happily, it didn't. Other columnists weren't so lucky. Next morning, various ponderous pieces analyzing The Fall of the House of Clinton were filling the ether. Suffice it to say that there was a lot of egg on a lot of faces.

You'd think I would have known better than to write an editorial on the basis of those oh-so-reliable polls. After all, they'd failed to detect Barack Obama's wide lead in Iowa, and soon enough they'd vastly underestimate how well he'd actually do in South Carolina.

The same expert pollsters overestimated John Edwards' support in Nevada, putting it at four or five times the vote he actually got, and underestimated John McCain's support in South Carolina, just as they had Mike Huckabee's in Iowa. If the polls this year were a stock, the savvy investor would sell, sell, sell.

It may not be clear by dawn's early light this morning which candidates won all those 24 primaries, caucuses, district races, and what-have-yous yesterday, but the big loser this election year is clear: the polls. I always said I'd never trust them, which of course I'd promptly proceeded to do in New Hampshire. But the results there made a believer of me. Or rather a disbeliever.

By now the pollsters have produced a variety of explanations for their less than exact projections. They always do. Remember their plentiful excuses after reporting all those exit polls anticipating President Kerry's landslide victory in '04?

This season, we're told, the polls were skewed by all the new voters who showed up to cast their ballots, or by the sheer number of voters who waited till the last days or even last minutes to make up their minds, or by the unanticipated number of older women who voted for Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire, or the number of young, black, and/or well-educated voters who materialized to cast their ballots for Barack Obama in South Carolina and elsewhere, or well, you name it. Me, I suspect the pollsters were thrown off their stride by global warming. Or maybe the moon and tides.

The science/art/guesswork of modern public opinion polling is really quite good - at making excuses. Me, I don't even have an excuse for that editorial which never appeared. Just a smile. Because like most Americans, I'm pleased when the voters don't meekly follow the polls and pundits. It restores my faith in we the unpredictable people.

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Sidewinders
Nah, Paul, we the people control the polls, and the pollsters haven't yet figured that out. We never tell them how we are going to vote -- it's nobody's business -- so we tell them silly things. Ya see, Paul, we got tired of polls years ago, and now we sabotage them as best we can. It is the one time we feel we have control of something. We surely do not have any control of our politicians. So, in the election process, we are left with the fun of controlling the pollsters.

THE TRUTH ABOUT POLLS
Good column. For years the general public has been aware of the con job that polls are. I always am amazed that during each election cycle polls are shown to be inaccurate and the media and their pollsters get away with it. Their margin of error is almost always wrong. Of course this makes the mainstreamers look foolish which might be construed as a good thing.
Outside of the political junkies, I doubt anyone takes these polls seriously.

Another Truth About Polls
Poll science depends on getting answers from a properly selected group. When I hang up on a pollster, I probably screw up the outcome. Anyone believe in polls - other than the politicians? Yes, the MSM thrives on polls even though the polls are as accurate as my weather predicter. Follow the money - who pays for polling information and that will help with the answer as to the outcome. Greenberg has not seen his shadow so he will continue to publish article for us to plug.

Polls aren't the problem...
With half of the country yet to hold their primaries, the Republican candidate has been selected. Is it just me, or is that insane? We need to have one primary day like every other election. Otherwise, the establishment and MSM will continue to choose our candidates. There's no way McCain wins the nomination if all primaries were held on one day. That also means that he wasn't elected to be the nominee. That's democracy at work?

Polls
Best way to screw them up, is to tell them the opposite of who your voting for. Thats fun. Then watch as the "real" votes come in.

The msn screwed up the 2000 Florida election by declaring Bush the winner right after the polls closed EST. The only problem, the eastern part of Fl. still had an hour to vote. Many Repubs. thought "why vote if Bush has won"?. So, we then have a close call of less than 600 votes for the state. Then the fun began.

Anti Democratic
Polling on predetermined questions and then using those to drive the televised debates is anti democratic top down process. Contrast it to the way Newt Guernrich uses polls to find out what people agree on, and watch alan colmes tell him that is not important. Or watch how the illegal immigration issue has risen up and boiled over as the elite tries to discount it.
I find the demographics especially offensive and mostly irrelevant. Our government is supposed to represent us, not force feed us Science diet dogfood.

Down with Newscasters ...
who pretend that polls are news and tell us how to act or think based on their bogus polls. Case in point, awhile back here in CA the news was widely reporting a poll which showed 78% of Californians supported drivers licenses for illegal aliens. Various newscasters were saying the only ones opposed were racists. After a lot of negative reaction from the public, it turns out that so called "poll" came from a news release from a Southern Cal legislators office who has been trying to gain support for the idea. There had already been several polls published that showed over 80% of Californians opposed drivers licenses for illegals. Are you as tired as I am of news media preaching to you based on "polls"?

Polsters and pundits spend...
the time before telling us who will be the winner...and the time after explaining to us why the other guy or team won.

Pollsters and weathermen
Only pollsters and weather men are able to call things completely wrong day in and day out and never loose their jobs. It has been my experience that most other professions require you to get it right at least once in a while.

polls wrong in modern age
Think about how polls are conducted. They call your house during busy hours. That means a) you have to own a landline to be considered for a poll and b) you have to not be busy enough to spend time on the phone with a pollster. To me, that means that young people and successful people are not considered by pollsters.

POLLS
If I came to you and said that 1006 people polled in America that 65 % of them think that america is on the wrong track then how many Americans do you think out of 300 million would say that is correct.

Polling is a Joke but driven by the Drive by media.

What that means is 650 agrees with the poll not 195 million agree
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