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Friday, May 16, 2008
Paul  Edwards :: Townhall.com Columnist
"An Evangelical Manifesto": Timely or Timeless?
by Paul Edwards
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The unveiling of “An Evangelical Manifesto,” drafted by theologian and social critic Os Guinness with the affirmation of a nine-person steering committee, nearly all of whom we might readily identify with the religious left, has caused no small stir among those whom we might readily identify as with the religious right. Some of its critics have concluded the document is the religious left’s “broader agenda” come to life, an attempt to solidify a moderate to liberal political agenda in the evangelical conscience. Suffice it to say it is a document with a clear articulation of the gospel in the Reformation tradition exhorting evangelicals to more faithfully live out the gospel in the culture as politically engaged followers of Jesus Christ.

Almost immediately the “Manifesto” was judged (condemned?) on the basis of who did pt didn’t sign it. Within hours of its release the “I follow James Dobson” crowd was pitted against the “I follow Jim Wallis” crowd (cf. 1 Corinthians 1:12) in complete contradiction to the spirit of the “Manifesto” expressed in its call for both sides to please stop screaming at each other. (I’ll leave it to the reader to ascertain which side is screaming loudest.)

It’s somewhat pathetic, isn’t it, that rather than making our initial judgments on the merits of the Manifesto we choose first to skip the document altogether and go straight to the signatories to ascertain whether or not we will agree with its contents? This tendency is precisely what ails the evangelical movement. Loyalty to personality has replaced commitment to principle. Whether I allow my name to be seen with yours is determined more by your view of global warming, which may be different from my own, than it is by the distinctives of the gospel. It also betrays an inability to think for ourselves.

Two primary reasons come to mind as an attempt to explain why conservative evangelicals are skeptical about the “Manifesto.”

For one, it calls into question our own allegiance to an entrenched political philosophy that has been extremely effective at electing conservatives yet equally ineffective at implementing substantive cultural change. As a case in point, Roe v. Wade remains the law of the land in spite of 35 years of conservative evangelical political engagement. During this same time one state has legalized same-sex marriage while nine others provide the legal rights afforded married couples to same-sex unions, stopping short of calling it marriage. America has seen no substantial change in rates of divorce or the abortion rate. Sexual promiscuity is still encouraged in our public schools through “health clinics” and condom distribution. Our children still have unfettered access to the most virulent forms of pornography in the name of “freedom of expression.”

What have conservative evangelicals to show for our political efforts in terms of real change? The “Manifesto” forces us to face up to some very inconvenient truths and we naturally recoil.

Secondly, many conservatives panning the “Manifesto” may be doing so because they weren’t included in the three-year process of drafting the document. Given the documents’ call for a move away from left vs. right distinctions, it is somewhat unthinkable that Dr. Guinness and his nine person steering committee could not acquire representative voices from among prominent politically engaged evangelical conservatives. However, in a recent interview with Albert Mohler, Os Guinness readily admitted that he should have sought his input by sending him a copy of the “Manifesto.” The fact that Dr. Mohler’s insight was not sought, along with others who share Dr. Mohler’s worldview, is disappointing, but shouldn’t be the document’s death-knell. (The fact that the steering committee included no African-Americans and no women should assuage the fears of many conservatives that the Manifesto is committed only to being politically correct.)

My own view is that “An Evangelical Manifesto” has been the subject of an often ill-tempered criticism by many people, some of whom immediately wrote it off by reading into it an assumed liberal political agenda. The “Manifesto” is clear that it isn’t taking sides:

Christians from both sides of the political spectrum, left as well as right, have made the mistake of politicizing faith; and it would be no improvement to respond to a weakening of the religious right with a rejuvenation of the religious left. Whichever side it comes from, a politicized faith is faithless, foolish, and disastrous for the church—and disastrous first and foremost for Christian reasons rather than constitutional reasons.

Contrary to the assessment of some conservative commentators, nowhere does the “Manifesto” condemn evangelical political engagement. Rather, it rightly points out that political engagement, while certainly the duty of every Christian citizen, is not the priority of the Church. In calling for the Church to rise above the din and the noise of politics, some have characterized the “Manifesto” as a demand for Christian withdrawal from the political process. Some read Guinness’ call for “civility” as a call for compromise on the issues important to conservatives, a ruse to get us to drop our guard on abortion and same-sex marriage while the liberals change the priorities to global warming and AIDS/HIV. This erroneous conclusion misses the point of what civility means in the marketplace of ideas.

In reality the “Manifesto” pricks our consciences by pointing out that the place of the Bible in the pulpit as the authoritative word for moral and spiritual change in the culture has been drowned by pro-family political action committees to which the Church has abdicated its prophetic office. We declare in our creed that we have no king but Jesus, yet betray by our actions that our hope is firmly rooted in the outcome of the next presidential election. We have taught our people how to vote (and for whom to vote) all the while leaving them clueless as to how to pray (and for whom to pray). While we frantically sort through labels to determine whether we are on the right, left or middle we are deaf to the Word which calls us heavenward (cf. James 3:13-18).

Nothing I have said here should be interpreted as suggesting the “Manifesto” is above thoughtful analysis. My chief concern is with the “interpretation of suspicion” we have imposed on the document. We have allowed our prejudices against some who signed it to call into question the integrity and intentions of those who wrote it.

No one connected with the drafting of the “Manifesto” claims for it a divine imprimatur, as if Dr. Guinness had just returned to us with face aglow from Sinai having received the “Manifesto” on tablets written with God’s own finger. It is, after all, a human document with equally human short-comings. But so was Luther’s 95 Theses. History gives witness to the truth that statements rooted in Scripture endure while those committed to a political agenda quickly fade. History will judge where the principles articulated in “An Evangelical Manifesto” have their roots.

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Paul Edwards is the host of The Paul Edward Program and a pastor. His program is heard daily on WLQV in Detroit and on godandculture.com

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You didn't leave me with much to like
You said:
In reality the “Manifesto” pricks our consciences by pointing out that the place of the Bible in the pulpit as the authoritative word for moral and spiritual change in the culture has been drowned by pro-family political action committees to which the Church has abdicated its prophetic office. We declare in our creed that we have no king but Jesus, yet betray by our actions that our hope is firmly rooted in the outcome of the next presidential election. We have taught our people how to vote (and for whom to vote) all the while leaving them clueless as to how to pray (and for whom to pray). While we frantically sort through labels to determine whether we are on the right, left or middle we are deaf to the Word which calls us heavenward (cf. James 3:13-18).

If this is what the Manifesto says, the authors have not been to my church and many others I know. Evangelical churches do not tell their congregation WHO to vote for. The Gospel continues to be the main focus. Indeed, it is the bible itself that causes the schism.

If you really believe the bible, you must be pro-life.
If you really believe the bible, you cannot condon homosexuality.
If you really believe the bible, you cannot ignore the precepts and principles.

"If you love me, you will do what I have commanded you." Jesus of Nazareth.

So from what you shared, this document seems to be seriously flawed off the get-go. We can have a biblical debate on abortion and homosexuality but the left would never go along with a debate because they know they would lose, and lose big.

Even the name is skewed. If it's to be an Evangelical Manifesto, shouldn't evangelicals write it?

How evangelical?
Os Guiness (the 'evangelical scholar' who coordinated this manifesto) believes that there is a gap in understanding between the religious US electorate and what he views as a secular ruling elite. There is more obviously a huge gap between the US and the rest of the Western world. What seems to be secular or mainstream christian-valued leadership in the US is viewed around the rest of the Western world as quite extreme. I suspect that the idea that a president would consult an evangelical megachurch leader as an advisor would be met with derision (or horror)in the UK, NZ, Canada, Australia and most of Western Europe.

Maybe what America really needs is a reality-check manifesto in which people are encouraged to learn about the world outside the seaboards and 49th parallel, and perhaps given more of a chance to see just how much of a christian theocracy they live in.

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Utter nonsense
"Whichever side it comes from, a politicized faith is faithless, foolish, and disastrous for the church—and disastrous first and foremost for Christian reasons rather than constitutional reasons."

Whatever happened to putting one's faith into action, and living that out in one's life, including one's politics?

By saying this, the Evangelical Manifesto does take a side: let morality and values remain in the realm of theory, and never ought they reach the realm of what is practiced.

Yet you claim, Mr. Edwards that "In calling for the Church to rise above the din and the noise of politics, some have characterized the “Manifesto” as a demand for Christian withdrawal from the political process. Some read Guinness’ call for “civility” as a call for compromise on the issues important to conservatives, a ruse to get us to drop our guard on abortion and same-sex marriage while the liberals change the priorities to global warming and AIDS/HIV."

You say this is erroneous. How so? It has precisely this effect. Also, in terms of progress against abortion, while Roe v. Wade may still be the law de facto (even if it's not a real law), Gonzales v. Carhart, which put an end to partial-birth abortion, would never have transpired without the influence of the evangelicals, who got Bush elected that appointed Roberts and Alito, rather than Kerry under who we would still have this. The evangelical movement has little progress to show for itself, *but it is there.* To give up at this critical juncture when SCOTUS, the social policy deciding body hangs in the balance, would be foolhardy.

WHY MANIFESTO AT ALL
The Bible is the inspired Word of God. That's the only manifesto followers of Christ need. This world is not my eternity. While I have life, I will follow the Word of God and try to bring one more to Jesus. Politics is part of living in this world. I thank God he gave me the mind to be able to think away from charlatans and false prophets. If you're confused, get on your knees and ask God what he would have you do. As God to forgive your ignorance and turn your life over to Him who gave it to you in the first place.

You don't need any manifesto. The Bible is your roadmap for life.

If you are a pastor, you are even more responsible. Do not get caught up in this manifesto, political drivel. Pray.

Manifesto
It is time for all religious leaders, priests, ministers,and rabbis to concentrate on the ten commandments and leave the political arena to the intelligence and foresight of their parishioners and congregatns

Read the "Manifesto"
Why did they choose the word in the title that smacks of a communist or socialist "manifesto?" The doc can be found at http://www.anevangelicalmanifesto.com. I've read the 20 pp. doc and find it basically abstract, theoretical, and unrealistic. It's like many pie-in-the sky diatribres that sound good on first reading but when you think about what does this mean, hiw is this to be accomplished, it becomes so much wishful thinking hot air, much like Obama's speeches.

One man wrote it, focusing on the same theme, "civility," that he's obsessed over for 25 years. (Two books, both same topic.) Civility is no more possible than tolerance, a similar catch-word. Both mean "if you agree with me you're civil & tolerant; if you disagree with me you're uncivil and intolerant."


You know a tree by it's fruit
"Do not stand on the blood of your fellow" Lev 19:16

In the face of evil Christians must do something. Here is an excellent example of true Christianity:

"A Protestant town's 'conspiracy of good' in Vichy France" - Yahoo! News

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20080514/ts_csm/ochambon

all evangelicals
keep it up, every time i hear of anotrher battle between evangelicals, both sides of which i asume have the blessing of god on their belief. i chuckle a little. greatr.. you have been at ezch other since the Reformation, with time out take once in a while to kill a few Catholics and Muslims. can you work a little harder at it and figure out a way to split yourself into say, 150 ot 270 different groups.???the more the merrier i say. i dont advaocate a return to the good old days of beheading, slaughtering all people in a town becauae they belong to some other protestant group than yours. raping women, kilijing all first second, thired and foutrh born. etc.. that would be too much. just lances, swords and an occasional pistol will do.go get em tigers.

Yeah Chuckles, YOU refuse to get

confused with facts, don't you????

Is that why you refuse to answer some basic questions????

Such as, are you guilty of...

1. Impersonating an officer???

OR

2. Violating the UCMJ???


How about an answer??? I even made it easy for you... All you have to do is type 1 or 2


Please don't tell us that even that's too difficult for you..... Ha Ha Ha





Why
have two columns been written addressing the
reaction by evangelicals if this is such a great idea? Methinks they protest too much.
One reason we are in the deep do do as a country is that the American church has been serving two masters for over 50 years, when
LBJ stuck his amendment without thought or hearing (isn't it neat how these political hacks subvert the constitution by "amending"
bills without proper vetting?) that prohibited
501 3c organizations from "electioneering" or
else the IRS is gonna get them. They fear the IRS more than God by allowing themselves to be hostage to the tax exemptions; and our country founded on the Judeo/Christian heritage is dying. I do not think we'd ever have had God
removed from the public square/abortion/same sex marriage IF the church were more concerned
about it's obligations than it's tax exemptions.
Historically, the church was the conscience of
society in this country. Abolitionists were Christians, in the face of the ruling elite, led by preachers, ditto the revolution..some preachers were officers in the militia, preaching sermons and then taking their weapons into battle. This manifesto is just so much
smarmy twaddle, in an attempt to silence the influence of the Evangelicals. We will never
have unity without the Cross and Him Crucified
and too many churches these days tickle ears instead of challenging believers, many pastors
fear they will overstep the ACLU's orders.

USMC Lt.: Well, that hasn't ever seemed

to have stopped Chuckles.

He always has an opinion... whether or NOT he knows anything about the subject at hand...

Such at the Manifesto...

But then, we're used to his uninformed and ill informed opinions... (oh, and not to mention his stupid opinions.)




So, which is it, Chuckles....


1. Impersonating an officer???

OR

2. Violating the UCMJ???




whover defines the terms...
... wins the argument

I have to believe this is largely another semantic power grab about redefing the word "evangelical" just as the left has already managed to alter the debate in their favor by redefing perfectly good words like "family," "marriage," "gay," "choice," etc. It's a technique that has been exceptionally effective politically. Soon they'll be able to say "evangelicals are focused on addressing global warming" without overtly lying because they will have redefined the word.

Communists have manifestos; Christians have creeds. And some pretty good ones that make this document irrelevent. Except politically.

Wobbie, what part of what the Lieutenant
Said is it that you don't understand?

In his first post he said words to the effect of "from what I've read it looks this way" then he said he hasn't read the Mainfesto yet and he would do that later.
But FROM WHAT HE'S READ SO FAR he doesn't agree with it and DOESN'T THINK his mind will be changed.

He hasn't stated a firm opinion on it yet.

WHAT part of that don't you understand?

THEN, in your 11:45 AM post, YOU said
"the equivelent of "dont confuse me with the reality of the situation, my mind is made up".

To which he replied, TO ANNE, that looks, to me anyhow, to be an answer to your comment(the one I pasted above):
"It looks like I'm supposed to make up my mind without becoming completely informed about the subject at hand."

In my opinion, his comment above is saying that YOU think he's already formed an opinion, when clearly he's said that he hasn't because he doesn't have all the facts YET.
To quote his comment that you clearly missed, I suspect on purpose:

"I like to know as much as possible about the subject before I form an opinion.
I don't know what the Manifesto says YET, so I have no opinion YET."

You did notice that he emphasized the word YET, TWICE(that's two times, in case you can't figure it out) in his 12:07 PM post, didn't you?

You truly are illiterate, aren't you?

You're hopeless Wobbie
You're so damned determined that you have to be right that you refuse to see anything that proves you wrong.

The Lieutenant CLEARLY said, in all of his posts, that he hasn't made up his mind on the subject yet. You just don't want to see that.

THEN you even have to turn this into yet another ad hominem personal attack on the Lieutenant.

YOU, of all people have NO ROOM to say that anyone else has a closed mind.
I refuse to even try discuss this issue with you any further. You're an idiot.

WP to Wobbie the moron@ 1:36 PM
"I refuse to even try discuss this issue with you any further. You're an idiot."


You're just figuring this out WP?
Hell, anyone could have told you this long ago.
Anyone with the ability to comprehend plain English(which Wobbie clearly lacks) can understand what USMC Lt., was saying.

Wobbie(I'll call him that from now on as he has more than demonstrated that he doesn't deserve even the respect of being addressed by his proper name), has a huge personal problem with USMC Lt., but no one can figure out what it is, or why. Personally I don't care.

Wobbie has NO RIGHT to address the Lt., or refer to him, by his first name as he constantly does. Especially when the many people on Townhall who are clearly on friendly terms with the Lt., don't even do so.

As for myself and like the young Lieutenant, I too will have to research the subject of the coulmn further before forming an opinion.

mccain speech
anyone have the faintest idea what Mccain said the other day in whay he described as a mojor speech??? something about never never land , pirates, and some kid that kept wanting everybody to fly.

The need to belong...
One thing the Christain circles have done and continue to do from the left is "getting along is the important imperitive". For instance multiculturalism which is nothing more than an attempt to equalize the playing field and deny American identity. Instead of assimilating other people from their cultures we are sanctifying a non distinct polyglot view of held principles which have to be submitted as equally as valid as any other.We are a Constitutional democratic republic with an allegiance to our nation founded upon the principles of separation of the branches of government. Also states rights and an inherent distrust of a government which imposes it's will on many of the areas which the government now intrudes. Now, how many immigrants, let alone illegal immigrants are made aware of any of that. California just overturned the will of the people by legislating same-sex marriage. The courts have become the carte-blanche leader on determining policy. Where in the Constitution is this allowed? How many know this? Just as the Christian churches no longer teach "theology" or "doctrine" (after all these are divisive terms) we have become a country devoid of distinctions and long on a man made equality which is totally false. We as a country are not the product of the French revolution but of the American Revolution. The distinctions between the two are huge. But without a knowledge of history (and for a Christian- theology) we are doomed to a totally man made government which will yield the predictable outcomes of discord, hatred and control from an elite government of- if not mean spirited fascists at least the happy ones Jonah Goldberg writes about. What I see with Christians isn't so much about politics as it is about the need to be liked by the unbelieving world- as if that were possible. I fear these (well meaning?) individuals and groups are giving the far left the rope to hang them.

Clivesdad
The church's that preach hate, like against gays, are doing more harm to America than others that preach Christian values. So, Goldberg's been cutting down Christian church's in his historical revisionism crusade, doesn't surprise me, the guy is one breathing slime machine. America is a good country and will fundamentally overcome every little head ache that comes along. People who think things are bad now, should read about the roaring twenties, or the Great Depression.

They Are Not Evangelical Christians
They're a bunch of humanists masking as Christians. Their theology comes out of their appetites. They have bought into the first lie. The devil told Eve "you will become like God", meaning you will decide what is right and what is wrong.

They are the "church of the grand buffet", picking and chosing what they like from the scripture and ignoring the rest.

Calling themselves "Evangelical Christians" shows how diishonest they really are.

mccain gave a speech i swear he did
does anyone remember that Mccain gave a speech last week, a speech that even he labeled a major. I was his"Impossibkle Dream" and ""wouldnt it be Loverly" speech. illbe he uis doing his best to forget alos. therein lies the answer as to who will win in November.

Taft
What is your definition of "hate", please? The Bible calls all sorts of behaviors wrong, sinful, immoral. Clearly the things God hates and that Jesus died for are not limited to homosexuality, in fact, that particular wretchedness is not much talked about.

As to the Depression, those who went through it can attest to its character-developing aspects. You either made what you needed, made do, or did without. And it was a lot harder for some than for others.

We still love hearing my mother-in-law's stories about life during that period-and make sure our kids hear them too. Each generation must make its own mistakes and learn its own lessons but we pray God we never have to go through a crisis like that one.

Biblical Responsibilities
We can compare social responsibility all day long, but here's the rub: There is NO mention in either the Manifesto or the Study Guide of what the Bible says about: where faith in Christ comes from (Ro 10:17; Eph 2:8-9); the cost of discipleship (2Co 5:15; Mt 16:24); the expectations of the fruit of the spirit in changing personal behavior as expressed as the process of sanctification (2 Pe 1:5-12); that all of the law is found in loving God and your neighbor (De 6:5; Lev 19:18; Mt 22:39-40); the definitions of loving God and neighbor (Jn 4:24; Mt 25:34-46; Mt 5:43-47; Lk 10:36-37; cf. Ja 1:22; Ro 2:13; Mt 7:12); the personal relationship that Christ desires (Mt 12:50; Jn 14:15, 21, 15:15; Ga 4:15); and the several expressions of spiritual disciplines that help Christians spend time with Christ in order to build a relationship with Him: confess faith in Christ: Ro 10:9-10; confess sins: 1Jn 1:8-10; repent of sins: Lk 15:7, Jn 9:31; Ps 66:18; Pr 15:29); one-time baptism: Mat 28:19-20; the Lord's Supper: 1Co 11:24-26; prayer: Php 4:6; reading the Bible: De 17:19; studying the Bible: Deu 6:6-7; 2Ti 2:15; thanksgiving and praise: Ps 100:4; worship: Jn 4:23-24; tithing: Lk 11:42; give alms: Lk 12:33-34; personal sacrifice for the sake of the Kingdom of God: 2Co 5:15; serving others: 1Pe 4:10; fasting: Mat 6:16-18. // Every Christian in the world has a responsibility to personally incorporate in his or her own personal, interpersonal, and social life, practical application of the Word of God. Sadly, the "manifesto" certainly doesn't point out where to find the answer to their question.

Pagan culture and apostate "church."
Far from living in a Christian theocracy, we are now living in a thoroughly pagan culture led in every aspect by thoroughgoing pagans. Liberal pagans here and in the United Kingdom, New Zealand, Canada and Australia are horrified now as always that a US president or any government official would consult about anything with Christian leaders of truly patriotic leaning. But Christians here and around the world are a little encouraged by such actions as well we should be. And this certainly does not indicate to the least degree that we are not familiar with the rest of the world and what they think about Christianity and our Christian world view. We get their outlook directly and indirectly in the news media quite often.

I have not read this "Christian Manifesto;" however, regardless of it's content, it cannot succeed in it's purpose unless there is a powerful spiritual awakening in the dead, apostate "church." A corpse cannot hear or respond to the truth regardless of how eloquently and persuasively is may be stated. So, although apparently well intentioned, this effort is entirely premature and thus doomed to frustration and failure.

Politics V culture
While it is true that supporting conservative politicians has not yielded that kind of results we had hoped for, much of the deterioration we have seen has been on the cultural and social level, rather than political.

The huge anti-Christian tide in the entertainment industry has had a devastating impact on our society. On television, in movies, and in popular music, people of faith are portrayed as either evil (often pedophilic) monsters, meddling busy-bodies, or pathetic dupes. Homosexuals, the promiscuous, abortionists, and drug addicts are propped up as virtuous and mistunderstood victims of the cold-hearted and mean "religious right".

As Christians we have a choice: opt out of the general culture, listen to mediocre music and watch really lame movies (but that are "Christian")OR participate and encourage our talented people to compete in the mainstream marketplace. For too long Christian culture has been a ghetto, while ghetto culture has become mainstream.

There was a time when Christians were responsible for creating virtually all of the great art and music in the world. When we abandon the arts to the depraved, we have no right to complain about the depravity of the arts.

There needs to be s upport system of some kind for Christians who enter the arts. Too many get swept up in the worldly ethos and comprimise their faith. Others are left bankrupt because the secular industry blacklists them. Still others have success as "Christian artists", but have no impact outside the Christian community.

We have no problem with Christians giving donations to political parties; we ought to reconsider the idea of the Church spending money on cultural endeavours.

Laws which do not reflect the greater culture end up being unenforcible, and are eventually cast aside.

Robert
I know nothing of your personal squabbles with others on this board, but I can say this: the idea the the "people want" Roe is a lie. There has never, once, been a majority of people who think that abortion is ok for them. Nor has there ever been a majority who thought that it was the right decision. Only now do we have a situation wherein the majority of Americans have simply been brow-beat into accepting it as law.

What's really amusing is that I had to read the inane decision in law school. Even the liberals who supported "choice" were embarrassed - it is one of the absolute worst decisions, ever, regardless of courtroom or branch (federal or state). The decision rested on pure politics and had absolutely no support in the Constitution. Only a liberal could have written that decision.

Now, as it should have been then, the legality of abortion should be handled on the state level only.

the sinner,

Charles


Christians and politics
Regarding being Christian and being in politics: one of the biggest myths regarding politics and religion is that they are somehow separate. This isn't true, even for a liberal. Your beliefs ARE the foundation of your political positions. You can no more separate the two than you could separate one cause from its inherent result - like putting a match to a piece of paper. It will burn.

And, as a Christian of any stripe (for the joker who wanted the Protestants to go at each other, there are actually about 23,000 different Protestants strains, and even more if you count independent churches), you cannot be a modern liberal. After all, as the Apostle and Saint tells us in Galatians 3:28, "[t]here is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

Thus, a Christian, in living the Faith, must reject race warfare ("neither Jew nor Greek"), class warfare ("neither slave nor free"), and gender warfare ("there is neither male nor female"). All three of these types of warfare at the core of liberal identity politics and, in fact, form the three, major grievance groups. As Christians, we cannot support any type of political movement that desires to manifest these types of warfares, even through political and/or non-violent means.

the sinner,

Charles
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