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Saturday, May 23, 2009
Paul Driessen :: Townhall.com Columnist
Climate change “morality”
by Paul Driessen
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The climate “crisis” is a “moral issue that requires serious debate,” Al Gore proclaimed in an April 27 AlGore.com blog post.

His conversion to the Anglo-American tradition of robust debate came a mere three days after the ex-VP refused to participate in a congressional hearing with Lord Christopher Monckton, former science advisor to Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. Republicans had invited Monckton to counter Gore’s testimony before the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

But Gore froze like a terrified deer in headlights, and Chairman Henry Waxman told the UK climate expert he was uninvited.

Their hypocritical cowardice simply reflects a recognition that their entire energy rationing crusade would collapse if they ever allowed real debate.

Monckton would have focused on the science. But is morality that truly requires serious debate. Climate Armageddon claims are being used to justify malignant policies that have no rational basis.

Global average temperatures stabilized in 1998 and have even cooled slightly, despite steadily rising CO2 levels. Except in its Western Peninsula, Antarctica is gaining ice. Arctic ice is seasonably normal. Land-based temperature data have been corrupted by air conditioner exhausts and other heat sources.

Scientists are hard-pressed to point to long-term state or country climate trends that differ from historic experience and can reasonably be linked to anthropogenic global warming. Merely asserting that obesity causes warming or increased house cat populations are due to warming does not make it so.

Even more devastating to alarmist claims, long-held assumptions about the deep Atlantic counter-current below the Gulf Stream (the so-called “conveyor belt”) have been rendered inoperable by recent studies. Those assumptions are a fundamental component of climate models and their scary worst-case scenarios about alleged planetary crises. The models and GIGO scenarios are now even more questionable.

Yet, they’re constantly portrayed as “evidence” – “proof” that immediate, drastic action is required to avert disaster. Nonsense. Climate changes and their causes are complex, our knowledge is still limited, and the inputs and assumptions are deficient.

Climate models are no more reliable than computer predictions of future Super Bowl winners and scores.

Their Frankenstein scenarios are no more valid as a basis for law and policy than the special effects in Day After Tomorrow or Jurassic Park.

Worse, even the 942-page Waxman-Markey climate bill’s absurd target – a 17% reduction in US carbon dioxide emissions by 2020 and 83% by 2050 – would have no detectable benefits, even if CO2 does cause climate change. Research climatologist Paul “Chip” Knappenberger calculates that even these draconian measures would result in global temperatures rising a mere 0.1 degrees F less by 2050 than doing nothing, mostly because Chinese and Indian emissions would quickly dwarf America’s job-killing reductions.

Perhaps that’s why China and South Africa want developed nations to slash carbon emissions 40% by 2020 – and give poor countries $200 billion annually, to help them cope with global warming’s imagined disasters. Bolivia wants $700 billion a year. Our children will get the bill for that, too.

None of this apparently matters to congressional leaders, Climate Action Partnership members or other professional alarmists and rent seekers. If anything, it has spurred them into even hastier action, to transform America’s energy and economic system, regardless of the consequences. Waxman-Markey was approved by the E&C Committee May 21 on a 95% party-line vote.

Above all, they want to replace vile hydrocarbons with wind power. That would require $$$ billions in taxpayer subsidies; hundreds of thousands of turbines, across millions of acres of scenic land, habitats and sea lanes; thousands of miles of transmission lines and towers; and billions of tons of concrete, steel, copper and fiberglass – plus raw materials and natural gas for backup generators.

Spain’s experience should be cautionary, but probably won’t be. According to a study by Dr. Gabriel Calzada, Spanish taxpayers spent $800,000 for each new job in the wind turbine industry (mostly installing towering turbines) – and destroyed 2.2 regular jobs for each “green” job, primarily because pricey “renewable” electricity forced companies to lay off workers, to stay in business.

A recent Lauer Johnson Research poll found 78% of respondents saying even a $600 per year increase in utility bills would be a “hardship.” They should be so lucky.

Compared to no cap-and-tax regime, Waxman-Markey would cost the United States a cumulative $9.6 trillion in real GDP losses by 2035, according to an updated study by the Heritage Foundation’s Center for Data Analysis. The bill would also cost an additional 1.1 million jobs each year, raise electricity rates 90% after adjusting for inflation, cause a 74% hike in inflation-adjusted gasoline prices, and add $1,500 to the average family’s annual energy bill, says Heritage.

The Congressional Budget Office says the poorest one-fifth of families could see annual energy costs rise $700 – while high income families could see their costs rise $2,200 a year. Harvard economist Martin Feldstein estimates that the average person could pay an extra $1,500 per year for energy. MIT says household energy costs could climb $3,000 per year.

Where will families find that extra cash? “What do I tell a single mom, making $8 an hour?” asked North Carolina congressman (and Congressional Black Caucus member) G. K. Butterfield.

That was a few days before he and his Democrat colleagues voted against amendments to Waxman-Markey that would have suspended the punitive law if electricity prices go up more than 10% after inflation, unemployment reaches 15% or gasoline prices hit $5. What will he tell that single mom?

Eco-activists gleefully predict that oil, gas and coal companies, utilities, vehicles and investors are destined for extinction. No wonder lobbyists have descended on Washington – over 2,300 of them just on climate change: 4.4 per member of Congress.

Some are getting $400-$850 an hour for their skill in promoting mandates, subsidies, legal measures to hobble competitors, and cap-tax-and-trade versions of the mortgage derivatives market. Al Gore alone boasts of having received $300 million (from unnamed sources) to trumpet alarmism and draconian legislation.

Colleges, scientists, activists, unions and companies receive billions in taxpayer money, to hype climate chaos claims, intimidate skeptics and lobby Congress. African bureaucrats get millions from the UN (and thus US taxpayers) to hype climate disaster claims that keep millions of Africans impoverished and deprived of the life-enhancing benefits of reliable, affordable electricity.

President Obama says the Bush Administration “made decisions based upon fear, rather than foresight, and all too often trimmed facts and evidence to fit ideological predispositions.” He and his Democrat allies in Congress should take that critique to heart on global warming.

As it stands, this Congress is rapidly shaping up to be the most unethical, immoral and dictatorial in history. When the people finally rebel, it won’t be a pretty sight.

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Paul Driessen is senior policy adviser for the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT), which is sponsoring the All Pain No Gain petition against global-warming hype. He also is a senior policy adviser to the Congress of Racial Equality and author of Eco-Imperialism: Green Power - Black Death.

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Cost
You know politicians always underestimate the cost of everything. If this Cap and Trade is estimate to cost $1500 to $3000 per family you know in a few years the actual cost will be more like $4500 to $10,000. Where is the money going to come from?

Easier to get rich off stupidity
Than it is to get rich by intelligence.

"Lord Christopher Monckton, former science advisor to Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. Republicans had invited Monckton to counter Gore’s testimony before the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

But Gore froze like a terrified deer in headlights, and Chairman Henry Waxman told the UK climate expert he was uninvited."

Also easier to raise a world tax the world does not pay, just America.

Great scam if one works for the UN

Bludgeon the environmentalist movement
Oh, it's a moral issue alright: It is profoundly immoral to enslave Americans under the irrational notion that "climate change" exists, on the evil premise that human beings have a duty to sacrifice their lives in order to save them.

(Of course, the environmentalists don't really believe they are saving human lives and would not seek to. Their true agenda is to depopulate the earth, because they hold an untouched earth as the ultimate value, and human beings alter it).

Evil Senators need to RESIGN NOW !

SENATORS are HIRED to do their JOB !

It is OBSCENE and INSULTING to the LEGAL citizens, that they hire a speed reader to read the cap n trade bill, and then LAUGH at the HOAX on the citizens !

They voted on it without reading it themselves!

START the petitions in your states to recall every Senator who participated in this EVIL HOAX

Using A SPEED READER! To read the bill, and without being able to even hear one word in the bill as he is reading ls an evil HOAX on the citizens of the USA

THIS obscene display of disregard for their obligations under their oath of office is outrageous.

MORE OBSCENE is that the evil senators were laughing at the legal citizens, as they insulted them.

WE WANT to see this "SPEED READER' in campaign ads to show the public how the evil democrat senators insult the citizens and neglect their obligations.

WE ask that they all RESIGN!

RESIGN now for incompetence!

$3,400 per year energy tax is OBSCENE !

the Cap N Trade bill they passed int he middle of the night will cost every household $3,400 more in fees and taxes per year !

HOW can the citizens not be outraged?

Worse is NOT ONE SENATOR read the bill !

They all need to resign for this evil hoax on the hard working LEGAL citizens of this nation.

THEY ALL NEED TO RESIGN NOW, or we will have to start recall petitions!

We can no longer afford our government of fleece the people!

Waste, fraud, abuse, and another HOAX

Power and power
When congressmen find a way to achieve power over their constituents they jump at the chance. The battle over climate change is the switch which turns the power on. The power which we will receive as a result of this fiasco will be minimal compared to the power the congressmen and their compatriots in the business arena such as Jeff Emmelt at GE. The direct abuse of power is astonishing and dismaying. It is the greatest fraud perpetrated on the American public since the National Retail Association was hocus pocused into being by FDR in 1935.

Trojan Horse
AGW is the Trojan Horse the left is using to bring socialism to the U.S.

The leftist agenda-driven junk science computer models AGW is based on are contrary to the empirical data, such as the cooling trend since 1998, which none of the AGW computer models predicted.

Unfortunately, many Repubics (eg, Gingrich, McCain) have sought to curry favor with the liberal media establishment by hopping on the AGW bandwagon. The harm these conniving fools cause vastly outweighs any good they may have done.

It's no longer good enough for the GOP to support a candidate because "at least he's not as bad as Obama." The first order of business is tossing the quisling Repubic country club establishment.

One problem
Politicians have totally lost the idea of money as a reality. They play with our money as though it was all Monopoly money. Billions and trillions mean no more to them than dollars and cents in real money. The only money that has any meaning to them is the money they take in to buy themselves more power.

Ticket to Totalitarianism
The Anthrogenic CO2 Induced Climate Change (ACO2ICC) dogma is the nearly perfect ticket to totalitarianism & almost every left-wing agenda out there. Just think: the elite gets their little say-so & their pound of flesh for every thing we do that involves emitting harmless naturally occurring CO2 that is necessary (to a point) for life on earth, which means for all our energy usage.

That is the only reason IMO it even has legs. If the answer to ACO2ICC had been smaller government, lower taxes, & more freedom, I promise you it would've been swept under the rug by 1990, & any scientist who brought it up would be heckled & defunded. I think most of the "true believers" who get on board for this thing are compelled not so much by the alleged science as by the boost it gives every left-wing cause out there. Why, just making it expensive to drive cars would do so much for "new urbanists," the public-school educracy empire, the "sprawl" bawlers, & everyone else whose little agendas have been thwarted by the fact we currently can drive away from their crap.

Don't forget, back in the 1990's they were claiming we'd only have to make some unspecified small inexpensive adjustments to our lifestyles. Uh huh. Right.

And the Republicans once again are almost totally AWOL & out-to-lunch on this issue. This unfort'ly is another reason we can be glad McBozo wasn't elected, because he promised to completely give the candy store away with his own cap'n-trade scheme. If he were PotUS, the evil magic of "bipartisanship" would probably have saddled us with it already.

One cold comfort we have now is that we have the chance, if we can find leaders to stand up & champion us, to hang this whole thing around the Dems' necks like the Ancient mariner's rotting maggoty albatross. And they know it, & that's why the more moderate Dems in Congress are starting to get uncomfortable.

Remember Our Fallen Soldiers

History will record that the American Soldier and those American Soldiers who have fallen, rank in the greatest humans who have ever lived on this planet.

The American Soldier have freed millions in bondage and defended the freedom of America with willingness of the ultimate sacrifice.

The Fallen American Soldier is someone who walked the hero's path. Someone who walked into the heart of darkness for Duty, Honor and Country.

The American Soldier waits for the day that they have lived for and trained for their entire life - to defend until death, their families and America, its citizens and freedom.

The American soldier is the fiercest Warrior ever in history, because their mission is the defense of family, neighbors, America and freedom.

The families of the American Soldier, while their faces beamed with pride, their hearts were filled with anxiety and tears as they watched their American Soldier leave to defend them and this Great Country.

Families and neighbors look with horror as the military vehicle stops in front of the home of the American Soldier, to inform them of the ultimate sacrifice of their hero.

No honor can be too great; every tribute is too small for the Fallen American Soldier and their families.

God Bless the American Soldier and their families!



I am ALL FOR developing renewable
energy...
BUT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR ONLY! GET THE GOVT OUT OF IT.

Make it MORE cost effective.
BUT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR ONLY! GET THE GOVT OUT OF IT.

I am all for getting off our foreign oil dependency.
LET THE OIL COMPANIES DRILL ON AND OFF SHORE. GET THE GOVT OUT OF IT.

Joel is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!
"The 'Green' movement is just camouflage. They are Red inside. The environmental movement consists of two groups: pagans, and totalitarians."


Liberals Talk about Saving Planet

Liberals say Gore is saving the Planet and Bush is destroying the Planet.

Liberal Insanity at its finest!

Al Gore's home:
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A 20 room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house, all heated by gas.

In one month this residence consumes more energy than the average American household does in a year.

The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2400 per month.

In natural gas alone, this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home.

This house is not situated in a Northern or Midwestern 'snow belt' area, it's in the South, right outside Nashville, TN.


George Bush's Home:
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Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university.

This house incorporates every 'green' feature current home construction can provide.

The house is 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on a high prairie in the American southwest.

A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground.

The water (usually 67 degrees F) heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer.

The system uses no fossil fuels such as!! oil or natural gas and it consumes one-quarter electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system.

Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern.

Waste water from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern.

The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house.

Surrounding flowers and shrubs native to the area enable the property to blend into the surrounding rural landscape.

This house is a ranch near Crawford, Texas;

SCAM


!!!!!!!MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING IS A SACM!!!!!!!

It's all a scam
As a person in the buidling trades, the word green gives the industry another way to make money by playing on heartstrings. I have never figured out how using renewable products (which are supposed to be more affordable because of their abundance) cost so dang much. After mandadory sprinklers are included on top of all the other special interests requirements in the building codes, housing is anything by "affordable." Also, many lower income people have been going green for years; hand me downs and garage sale household items have kept many families in business for years.

Al Gore knows it is a scam, that's why he does not have the guts to publically debate a fierce opponent (or else he's afaid he'd sigh again inappropriately).

As the author points out and Einstien stated, the scientist is like a detective only the scientist has to plan the scene of the crime as well as solve it. Computer science modeling that does not match actual events is not a successful experiment.


Climate Change
I have never for one minute believed Al "I invented the internet" Gore on climate change. I have followed this closely and have seen more and more prominent scientists change sides on this "debate".....from yes, we do have climate change to no, we don't have climate change. Al Gore is laughing all the way to the bank on the gullibility of people. Gullibiity that people would buy into his pack of lies. It's time to tell Al Gore to take his snake oil and go back home for good.

Want to Help?
Mr. Driessen, if you really want to help, expose these people for what they are, hypocrites. Name names and show where they live and what they drive. Use your resources to expose the "scientists" as just more greedy people looking for government grants for their "research". That kind of investigative journalism might actually do some good. While you're at it, how about exposing these environmentalists that we always hear about but don't know who they are?

Ask any bee keeper about warming
One of the issues facing bee keepers is the past couple of decades of cool springs. NOt good for bees!

I notice liberals tend to see life- overall- as process that needs their specific brand of constant meddling and adjusting. Normal weather patterns, the ups and downs of life, even things that are going well but don't bear their finger prints.

Whenver we get a new state level director for my division (which sometimes changes), that person almost always uses terms like, "We'll get things up and running" (though I've been in my current role for 14 years and its goingjust fine); "The time to act is now, and together we will make a difference"; "We will review, renew, and get out there", blah, blah, blah... Its as if there is and never was activity in their area of interest without their presence and input.

$700 Billion Per Year
That is the amount US industry would have to invest each year between now and 2050 to actually reduce carbon emissions by 83%. That is 1 TARP per year. Of course, with all of the investment capital available in the US economy today, that shouldn't be a big issue. On the other hand, the investors are probably going to expect a return on that investment. Hmmm!

Marion
You are so right. At state meetings, millions of dollars are viewed as a "trifling" amount- barely noticable. Then in-house fighting goes on over funds because everyone wants their program/department well funded. Very few keep in mind where the money comes from and how to generate it.

One of the big issues over the past few years has been the absence of jobs for teens. Most businesses have left our area due to the crime, taxes, and regulations. Many won't hire kids now because of the risk of litigation. When suggestions are made to lower tax rates, manage crime, and revamp regulations so that businesses return, the is much wailing and gnashing of teeth. So, the gangs are more than happy to buy up the real estate and fill the void. Liberals are so very stupid and self-defeating.

The sun causes global warming and
cooling.

Otherwise, there would have been no former eras of ice ages and warming where there were no polar ice caps. Actually, the natural state of the world is NOT to have polar ice caps.

Gore just wants more gadzillions for his businesses of selling *carbon credits.* He uses more energy in his TN house than I have used in a decade. Let him conserve, do without, cut his mileage, eliminate vacations, nail the thermostat to the wall.

*Enviros* are like the hippies of yesterday year who thought they could buy a farm, throw a few seeds around, and live like kings. When it turned out they had to get up at 4 am and stay up till midnight and still not break even, they went into real estate. Whadda joke.

Al Gore and Waxman
Al Gore the prostitute of the tree-huggers and his significant other, Henry Waxman, both left-wing liberal Demoncrats would have us all living in caves or grass huts, pushing our wood carts or dragging it along behind us like our ancestors did before the invention of labor-saving devices and machinery.
All this while they live in their energy-eating palaces and flying around in their private jets.
These idiots need to be retired to the land of the lost. Put them on an island somewhere off the left coast where they can practice their snake-oil medicine while dancing around the fire of their collective dstruction before they destroy us, both financially and socially. And send them the bill for their idiocy with proposing such a stupid policy as this.
These idiots are evil and should not be part of society.

Understanding the Models,
I've been skeptical about environmental modeling since I was first exposed to it in college a quarter century ago. Even at best, a computer model can only tell you what you already know. And they are strongly subject to built-in bias from what the modeler wants to have happen because he's the one who tells the computer what to do with the data.

How often is the weather forecast wrong? Those are the best, most sophisticated, most accurate computer models in the field.

The global warming models can't even accurately predict the past. If you run them for the 20th century they don't match the data.

The science here may be a bit steep for some, but these articles are worth the time:
http://joannenova.com.au/2009/04/03/global-warming-a-classi c-case-of-alarmism/
http://sciencespeak.com/MissingSignature.pdf

Geek
Thanks for your post.Any one that believes so called global warming is caused by the U.S. and not , cyclical.Has the brain of a gnat,and ALGORE is a fat gnat

GW: A partisan political issue
The Left has turned Global Warming into a religious crusade (of course, "religion" is a dirty word in Leftist circles, so Gore uses the term "moral" instead).

Yes, temps and CO2 are rising, and it makes sense that Man plays some role. But, how much is attributable to Man, how much to normal climatic changes? In either case, what actions should we take...and what will the cost be to our economy?

This issue has been completely politicized. The Democrats get a two-fer with it: they can reward one of the most fanatical segements of their Base (the Greens), AND raise hundreds of billions in new taxes. Is the science legit? Who cares!

Big Al's Mutual Admiration Society
Big Al should travel in a circus as a weird sideshow, because he IS weird! But probably no one will pay to see him, except his fellow weirdos: A mutual admiration society!!!

Mom? Dad?
What did you do in the war (for America's soul)? Some conservatives of late have expressed despair regarding the current state of things bordering on depression-induced paralysis. They're whining and moaning about the magnitude of the task at hand and rolling over.

For those who truly have given up because fighting the Obama/Democrat machine is too exhausting, too emotionally draining, with odds not of their liking, I suggest that they look into the eyes of their children and grandchildren and silently admit that, although a scourge is looming over America which will deny their progeny constitutionally-granted freedom and liberty, the demands of the battle are too oppressive to engage in the fight.

Have we become so self-absorbed and ego-centic that we're willing to concede defeat not only for ourselves but also for the young, very young and yet-to-be born Americans?

Okay, sheeple,
It will now be legal to inhale, BUT not to exhale.

Carbon dioxide is a pollutant??? And I'm a nuclear physicist. That would make the Narcissist in Chief, The Massiah, for sure.

These so-called climate change jackasses are getting desperate because some of the sheeple are getting wise to their idiocy, proven by polls that show a decline in support for green stupidity and rise in skepticism.

It's time for a choice - you can either be one of the sheep and submit to the wolves, OR support or join the sheepdogs, constitutional conservatives, libertarians, our police, firemen and military who are certainly capable of being every bit as dangerous as the wolves, in defense of the sheep.

When the sheep no longer fear the wolf, and don't trust the sheepdog, the flock will be fleeced (after being gutted, of course).

The Real Issue
Is to control the people of this Great Country of Ours. Add $3000 in expenses to the average houshold and it eliminates vacations, dining out, and other forms of enterainment, thereby eliminating most of the $8.00 an hour jobs. Now we have to raise taxes to pay more welfare for those we have put out of work.

Al Gore says he buys carbon credits to offset his life style, problem is he owns the company he buys from so he taking money from one pocket and putting it in the other.

I have a better idea since carbon credit are supposedly based on planting trees and other plants let's shut down his company and make him buy his credits from we the people owners of the greatest tree and plant plant resource in the U.S. ie the national forests,BLM etc. I suggest a starting rate of 98% of gross income from any source for anyone producing a carbon footprint larger than a family with an annual gross income of $300,000 payable directly we the property owners, not the property managers.

Then see how long they want to try and sell this CRAP!!

explain this
simple empirical data: the current co2 level in the atmosphere(variations occur all over the place) is said to be roughly 320 ppm. The GW scientists say it averaged 250 ppm prior to the industrial age. A recent examination of ice cores dating to an ice age 20000 years ago indicated a level of more than 500 ppm DURING the ice age. So a 30% increase that may or may not be attributable to industry has "caused global warming"? Or will the earth cool to ice age temperatures when the level doubles? Any scientist that attaches their reputation to this ridiculous postulate of secular guilt assuaging should have their credentials pulled and be "raised up for ridicule" as in Alinsky's rules.

Lord Christopher Monckton
Now THERE'S a scientist worth debating. What? He's not a scientist? And he was informally invited and not part of the regular program?

I have more science degrees than Monckton. I'm not sure why Con continue this charade.

And since the temperatures were predicted to dip or stabilize for several years, I fully expect the lemming Cons to admit they know nothing about science when the temperatures resume their predicted warming.

Sill Cons. Still listening to people like Beck, one of the nuttiest of nutjobs.

What is Global Warming?
John Coleman one of the founders of the Weather Channel claims that global warming is not only bogus but an actual fraud. See:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/johncoleman.asp

Transition
I used to believe that the babbling leftists all believed unequivocally with the entire AGW theory and the apocalyptic horrors it will cause, but the more I hear from them the more I doubt that is true.

The government-issue robot, James Hansen, recently proclaimed that humans have only five years to reverse the output of greenhouse gases, or we will "pass the point of no return", or some such nonsense. If this were true, wouldn't thinking, non-robotic entities conclude that we must quickly find a source of abundant, non-polluting energy to help us transition to this admittedly ideal, non-apocalyptic state.

The fact is, we do have available to us TWO wonderful, non-polluting sources of energy which could heat our homes and power all those wonderful, non-apocalyptic electric vehicles, but they just don't suit the tender sensitivities of the wonderful, ever-vigilant environmental activists...nor, it would seem, the Democrats who are (inadvertently?) leading us toward economic and environmental disaster.

Why would I say such a thing? How many hydro-electric and nuclear generating facilities will be funded with the stimulus money?

The left have proven to me that they are not serious about transitioning to a world with abundant energy. They simply mean to stifle the engine of progress...capitalism. And they call themselves "progressives".

Conservative hack got stiffarmed
By John Amato Friday May 22, 2009 6:00pm The Glenn Beck show tried to sandbag Barney Frank with one of their roving reporters or producers or whatever they are, but they messed with the wrong guy. ACORN is Beck's villain of the hour and Biff Jenkins asked Frank if he'd hold hearings on ACORN because the right hates them. He got an answer he didn't expect.

Frank: As you know, the Bush administration, every year of the eight years of the Bush administration gave them well over a million dollars for housing counseling, and nobody has shown me any sign that any of that federal money was misspent. You know, I think people are being somewhat unfair to President Bush and his secretaries of HUD who consistently funded ACORN for, as I said, for a total of about 14 million dollars during the Bush years. If someone has evidence that the money that President Bush made available was misspent -- that's what I have jurisdiction over, I don't have jurisdiction over election activities by another ACORN organization -- but if anyone has any evidence, and no one has sent it to me yet, that the Bush administration ignored the misspending of that $14 million, I'll look into it.

Biff: Yes, sir, but would you hold hearings or an investigation ...?

Frank: I think you're being very unfair to President Bush.

OK, his name is not Biff, it's Griff. Frank used this against Michelle Bachmann and when you hit them with facts like this, they really have no response other than to ignore what Barney Frank said and continue with their smears.

I wonder why Beck never asked Republicans to investigate the missing $9 billion in Iraq? I guess Beck still feels like a fool after being exposed as a liar by the ladies of The View

Am. Pat....
...It's great to learn that Barney Franks is such a supporter of Pres. W. What's that got to do with Global Warming? Keep up, lad. Save the conservative hatred for another topic, or at least apply it to the subject at hand.


H2O skier
" If this Cap and Trade is estimate to cost $1500 to $3000 per family you know in a few years the actual cost will be more like $4500 to $10,000. Where is the money going to come from?"

A better question is, where does the money go? As currently planned, most of the carbon credits will be given away, so the government won't be getting much revenue. If the MIT estimate is correct, families will be paying out $300 billion dollars per year. It doesn't go down a black hole somewhere, where is it going?

alan
"A recent examination of ice cores dating to an ice age 20000 years ago indicated a level of more than 500 ppm DURING the ice age."

I'm afraid I'm gonna have to ask for a link or something backing up that little factoid, because it makes absolutely no sense, whether you believe warming causes CO2 or the other way around.

As for Global Warming...
...or climate change, or whatever the lefty term d'jour happens to be, it's their way of enforcing moralistic religious views on "the people". Facts and history are conveniently ignored for their faith-based initiatives. Western countries that "pollute" are evil. China and India that pollute even more are good. An empirical perspective of history that shows climate change as the norm, not the aberration, is meaningless to enviro wackos as the fossil record is to extremist interpreters of the Bible.

In short, you "climate change" control extremists are no different than religious cultists screaming in street corners, "repent, the end is near!"

Unless


We have a genuine rebellion against government control and passing laws contrary to their authority, its only going to get worse.

The Law, the Security and the Justice System has all been politicized.

America has no representative government today.

I know, we vote, ha ha.

Global warming,truth and liberals
"“What do I tell a single mom, making $8 an hour?” asked North Carolina congressman (and Congressional Black Caucus member) G. K. Butterfield. How about don't make dumb choices?
Why are you in an $8/hr job? Why are you a single mom?
The choices you make at every stage of life have consequences-poor choices poor lives!
Global warming is another fraud perpetrated by liberal much like ACORN, Unions help the country, Teachers always need more money,politicians care about their constituents, Obama is an honest person who smokes and memorizes his speeches.
Please wake up America!

I cannot stand
The idea a person with the character of Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid or GW Bush makes my every decision for me.

GW Bush played politics himself.

The Security of the United States does not depend on spreading "democracy" across the world, as if its what its all about in Iraq or Afghanistan.
What does this have to do with with The climate “crisis”?

World Government

Just another part of the overall scam kept out of public discourse as the one and only real goal of such as algore and a host of people in governments of the western nations

The insanity in Washington.
We are sending nuclear technology to our Arab friends, the Emirates, so that they can build nuclear power generation plants while we are going to spend billions, probably more like trillions on wind power.

Has a greenie ever stopped to estimate just how much land is required to put up enough windmills to generate the equivalent energy produced by a coal fired plant? Let alone a nuclear plant. Maybe some professor has a computer model to show the relationship of land and wildlife displaced Vs CO2 emissions saved. Acres and lives Vs tons?

We know one thing, they can not be within eyesight of our esteemed Senators. Personally I think they should use California, Michigan and New York as set aside locations to house these wonderful wind turbines, that will be supplied by Obama’s new friend, GE.

Remove everything else, nothing but GE built wind turbines. These are all bankrupt states, so just think of all the jobs that will come to these areas. They will have to compete with illegals, for the jobs, but that is just a little incentive. Everyone can enjoy the power when the wind is blowing, and when it is not, well let them eat cake!

Elections have consequences, as does the state of the education system.

Playing us all for fools
Nancy Pelosi said she saving the world.

Her plan of salvation for being the saviour is to stop all drilling for oil in America.

And import oil from nations around the world who drill for oil.

Every drop of oil in the world comes from a drilled hole in the ground.

Yet she actually said that if we drill for oil in America, the planet will be destroyed.

If this woman's brains were dynamite, she would not have enough to blow her own nose

Carbon Dioxide
Trees love CO2!

With one small caveat
Joel-De Oppresso Liber writes:- 11:53 AM EST
Green and Red
The "Green" philosophy has as its goal the elimination of humanity off of the earth, except for a small group that will have Stone Age tools.
=======================

While they themselves live in luxury.

algore preaches this gospel and does not live a word of it.

Same for everyone of these lying hypocrites.

They only preach it to force all the rest of us into the stone age while they live off the fat of the land, and dine on milk and honey.

Their promised land comes when they can force all of us into poverty and they rule over all men.

These hypocrites have forgotten the basics and the laws of nature.

They might obtain their goal for a very short time, cause it all based in falsehoods and scams.

Nature is never scammed

"When in the Course
of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another..."

It was good enough for our forefathers, it's good enough for us.

Just think how much better off
we'd all be if Al Gore were as concerned about the demise of the American economy, the certain collapse of the Social Security System, the unsustainable debt we are piling up. His priorities, I fear, are misplaced.

But he's a liberal, so his concerns are normal.

inthemajority

Temperatures were "redicted" to dip?

What a pantload. You, of course have proof to back up your claim? The fact is, these clowns have predicted nothing.

Mario
Once again, Mario, you seem intent on parading your poor public school education.

Did you read the article?

Are you able to read the article?

Are you able to write a coherent post without cutting-and-pasting articles from crooksandliars?

This article is about global warming, not Barney Frank or Beck.

Again, we have suggestions:

1. Go back to school.

2. Learn to read and write in English.

3. Then, and only then, come back to Townhall and try to write an intelligent post.

Bob_C
Things are very easy to "predict" after the fact.

It's called the double standard
"Lord Christopher Monckton
Now THERE'S a scientist worth debating. What? He's not a scientist? And he was informally invited and not part of the regular program?"

The renowned scientist Al Gore, who flunked out of Divinity school, was allowed to testify and was fawned over by his former colleagues. Lord Monckton is every bit as qualified as Gore to speak to the subject; in fact the average sixth grade student has more scientific knowledge than Gore does and would mop him up in a debate.

Frey
1. Where does the money go, into a black hole? Actually it goes into the closest thing created by man to a black hole, the US Treasury from whence it getz pizzed down an incomprehensible number of rat holes.
2. Why was CO2 higher during the Ice Age? Simple, much of the North American continent was covered by glaciers(that's why it was called the Ice Age, Bucko). This reduced the arable acerage of the planet(that's where green plants grow) for centuries. Consequently, less CO2 was absorbed through photosynthesis(sorry about the big word) leading to more being left in the atmosphere.
Your inability to think things through is staggering, but oh yeah, you're a lib.

Two Words:
>>ANTHROCENTRISM and ECOPARANOIA

And what these will likely lead to in the far (StarTrek-inspired)future--just as today our water-treatment, sanitation department, and vast array of immunological counteragents arose out of a "fear of harmful vapors" 100 years ago--is probable computerized/satillite-maintained climate control in ways we cannot now imagine.

>>But that doesn't change the fact that it's still the stuff of Science FICTION

JohnR22
You are 100% correct in stating that the Dems are politicizing this, but they'd turn taking a dump into a political event. Actually, it's a trifecta for them. They not only get to pay off the "green" movement(named not for their love of clorophyll, but cash) and raise huge stacks of tax dollars, but because the increase will be collected by utility companies and at the pump, they will have built-in scapegoats(big oil and greedy utility companies) to foist the blame onto while they walk away scott free.

If costs ever hit $1200-$2500-$5000
the pols. in DC would have to disguise themselves in public the way Sacramento legislators are going.

The King Elect O thinks so many fewer miles were driven when gas was $4 a gal., but FORGETS a major reason he was elected was to PREVENT more $4 a gal. for gas.

Enviros don't want nuclear (the waste, you know), wind (turbines kill birds and bats), solar (panels ruin the desert), hydro (dams stop salmon from swimming upstream), and ethanol takes too much water and inflates grocery prices.

Don't listen to them. They are not scientific and not educated.

10,000 years ago there were glaciers to Morristown, NJ, in my state (the Great Swamp is a leftover glacier lake like Lake Michigan), and then, lo and behold, without SUV exhaust or coal-fired power plants, the entire earth warmed warmer than the temperate climate we have now, because it was WARMER for the ancient Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans than today, and then it was COLDER for Shakespeare and Dickens and now it's slightly warmer again.

Gee, do we see a pattern here?

And there was NEVER any great increase in CO2 during either warming or cooling.

Greens should get a grip, but as with all of the left, it's not about reality. It's about feeling good and "good intentions"--which have always paved the road to hell.

Hey World, We're Broke
This insanity has to be stopped before it goes any further. The people who are shoving this global warming issue so hard are the very ones who will profit from it, financially. They are working twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week trying to convince the American people that spending an additional $1,300.00 per family, per year, for utilities is the moral thing to do. By making it a moral issue, they remind me of a crusade marching forward, banners waving, drums beating, hands on hearts, eyes directed to heaven and all those images we have been exposed to at the "movies" for years, doing the honorable thing. In actuality, the Liberals are not content with throwing our nation under the bus, financially, they want to make sure that those who are barely paying their bills now will be totally out in the cold. It won't do any good to have universal health if the bulk of the population dies from the cold saving the planet from getting too warm. Only the Liberals can make sense out of this reasoning, because they don't care about the majority of America, they are too busy loving and caring for themselves to worry about the rest of us although they hypocritically keep telling us they are only concerned about our welfare. With friends like that, we don't need enemies and we better clean the star dust out of our eyes and look seriously at our glorious leader who can't even prove he was born in the United States.

Clifton L. West

a little bit of history repeating itself
Why can't these enviros get the message these climate changes are following a pattern- we've been here before and it will come full circle.It isn't the end of the world!!!
Instead of killing us with the inevitable price hikes on everything to keep us from living, why don't these pols get to either drilling around our country to make responsible use of our natural resources while they continue to investigate cost effective ways to use wind, solar, hydro power! You've got to give in somewhere, but cap and trade is going to drive prices up.

We now have Government by Bunko Scam.

This petitition PROVES beyond any doubt that Agrarian Global Warming is a HOAX!
The AGW Confidence Scam Artists claim to have a "Consensus of Scientists"?
This Petition contains the signatures of over 31,478 real Scientists who say AGW is FICTION!

http://www.petitionproject.org/

Cap & Trade is just another version of Algore's BTU Tax in a new shade of lipstick.

We need to do something about that bunch of Scam Artists in Congress.
They are continually trying to pull off some hoax on us.
They give misleading names to legislation and just plain run our Government by Bunko Scams.

Climate Change
Is the climate changing? Of course - it has "changed" probably thousands of times in the last couple of billion years, none of which had anything to do with human intervention.

Can it be predicted? Better question, how accurate is weather prediction beyond like 2 or 3 days? I rest my case.

Global Warming (Climate Change) is all about power and $$$.

The real truth is found in the late Michael Crichton's "State of Fear. Great Book.

And while all governments and politicians use fear as a tool to manipulate and control, nothing compares to our recent crop of Dems who make it their full time business. We can only hope their lame ideas will soon go the way of the Dinosaurs (without enduring nearly so long)!

Elizabeth, a fine family name in my
tribe, you are so right.

CA has oil POLLUTING the ocean because it naturally seeps off the coast and could be tapped immediately. A platform off Santa Barbara could be back on line and making crude in a year. Instead, CA and the feds refuse the option. (And, CA sinks in debt and energy shortage.)

NJ has nat. gas off At. City, and we have the pipeline and storage capacity here. Where there is NG, there may also be oil. Do we want to develop it, provide jobs, provide more taxes?

No, my idiot senators claim off-shore will come over their dead bodies, not soon enough.

In the meantime, Cong. tools around at OUR expense in town cars and limos ($2.36 BILLION, according to Citizens Ag. Gov't Waste).

We should make them all get out and walk. Barney Frank could afford to lose a few chins and look better on tv.

no big deal
climate change is real, it happens when winter turns to summer and when summer turns to fall etc...

We need global warming now
The reason that so much of this planet has had drought for so long is that we’ve been in an ice age, and water needed for normal condensation has been frozen into glaciers. Glaciers are frozen water needed as condensation for barren and frozen lands of this planet, causing drought and flooding. When glaciers melt, some water runs into the oceans. Some water thaws the ground below where the glacier was, and soaks into the ground. Some water evaporates into the upper atmosphere to become normal rainfall for the whole world.

The heat of the sun, clean air, and the absence of cold from glaciers and sea ice would cause more water to evaporate from the oceans, lakes, and rivers into the upper atmosphere than there presently is; the winds would blow it evenly around the world, providing normal rainfall world-wide, even where there presently is drought and barren and frozen land, preventing flooding. Ice contracts when it melts, and would lower sea level.

The worldwide rainfall would cause long-dormant seeds in barren lands to sprout and grow into new plants: The best way to go green. The new plants would inhale carbon dioxide and exhale oxygen, which we breathe. There would be so many new plants, that we might have to increase the amount of carbon dioxide we generate, to provide enough for all of them

If the glacier in Greenland would melt, the codfish, which fled the severe cold temperature, would return, and the land could be farmed, as it was when originally colonized by Vikings.

Many parts of the world have record amounts of snow and ice. Arctic ice is as thick as it was in the 1970’s when an ice age was predicted. Polar bears, which had thrived during the previous decade, are heading south to escape the severe cold. We’re entering another ice age in 2014. We must drill and pump our own oil, natural gas, and mine our coal as soon as possible, so they are available for use.

NO WAY
YOU CAN'T MAKE STEEL W/O COAL AND YOU CAN'T MAKE ALMOST ANYTHING WITHOUT STEEL!!!

NO MORALITY AMONG LIBERALS
THIS IS A SAD STATE THAT LIBERALS DECEPTION AND FRAUD. FIRST THEY WANT THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964 AND HATE CRIME LEGISLATION, BUT NOT TO BE USED AGAINST THE AMERICORP, NAACP, ACLU, GAY COALITIONS LEAD BY THE COMPTROLLER OF THE CITY OF HOUSTON, THE URBAN LEAGUE AND UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE IS ANY AFRICAN AMERICAN EVER SUPPOSED TO HAVE A TRIAL BY JURY AND HE IS NOT THE DEFENDENT. RACISM BY THE DENIAL OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS, STATUTES AND CODES ALONG WITH PROTECTIONS OF THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT. NONE OF THIS MATTERS WHEN MINORITIES ABUSE OTHER MINORITIES. FOR THIS REASON I WILL ONE DAY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RENOUNCE MY CITIZENSHIP AS 300,000 OTHERS HAVE DONE AND NEVER RETURN TO THIS COUNTRY AS SMOE 3 MILLION EX-PATRIOTS HAVE DONE.

Obamba's Plan
In January 2009, The Obamessiah became President of the United States. HIS first action in office was to destroy all nuclear weapons; the second to eliminate all fossil fuel sources. Behold, nuclear weapons and fossil fuels no longer existed on Earth.
Behold, the planet was covered with solar-panel fields, and windmill forests, which don’t produce electricity when the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow.

After ten years, there was only peace and harmony on the planet, because, for five years, the noises and vibrations from the windmills drove many people to suicide, and the solar panels killed most food plants. The 2014 Ice Age froze the people who hadn’t starved, because there wasn’t any heat for their homes, and destroyed the windmills and solar-panels. Everybody died except for The Obamessiah, Algore, and 12 other liberals living in the hydroponic garden in the bunker below Mount Rushmore.

One day, the Mount Palomar Observatory said that “The Asteroid”, an outer space rock the size of The Alps, was on a collision course with Earth, as a 2008 NOVA documentary warned.

One liberal got out the file on “The Asteroid” to find out what to do. The instructions were to launch six, 20-megaton nuclear missiles and land them on “The Asteroid”, and then detonate them one-by-one, three seconds apart. The phased explosions should divert “The Asteroid” from hitting Earth.

Then one liberal said, “We can’t do this! HE beholded the missiles and fuel out of existence! We don’t have missiles to launch and fuel to launch them.”

Then they said, “HE can behold “The Asteroid” not to hit the earth.”

After telling HIM about “The Asteroid”, the liberals realized that HE was actually the Twelfth Imam, THE ONE that, back in 2007, Muslim terrorists said would destroy the world in two years. Two years after 2007, was when The Obamessiah “beholded” the missiles and fuel out of existence. “The Asteroid” was the final step in the process.

Climate Change?

When I was a young boy, (in prehistoric times), Old Geezers used to call this "Earthquake Weather".
Cold a few days, hot a few days, etc.

Now that I am one of the Old Geezers and have seen it come to pass several times, I say it is Earthquake Weather.

Techtonic plates heat up and expand, compressing the edges where they meet, then cool and contract, repeating until enough clearance is made to facilitate movement to relieve stress.

So you can expect our Governator to be whining for more Federal funds soon.

One day he may learn that you can't tax people or businesses you have chased to another State.

They want us all to be
serfs living at a subsistence level -- really ther's no other explanation. They want to rule us and the only way to do that is to decimate the middle class and make everyone but the wealthiest dependent on government.

This will send the few remaining decent paying manufacturing jobs out of the country. It will also further destroy people's savings. It has the added benefit of forcing people out of their "large" houses and in to apartments located in government corralled cities. They are herding us because we have become sheep. Notice that this is happening along with the planned destruction of small businesses to taxation and outright theft of large businesses by the government.

We will be no better than serfs and this is what they want -- then they will not only tell us how much we can earn they will tell us where to live, if we can freely travel (as cars mean freedom), and under national health insurance will let the government decide who lives and dies.

Bob_C
"What a pantload. You, of course have proof to back up your claim? The fact is, these clowns have predicted nothing."

There's this brand new craze sweeping only the most Liberal of Liberal scientists where they study actual events and record them. Some are so crazy as to make predictions. Once in awhile you get 95% of them together on predictions, like La Niña cooling or solar irradiance. Sometimes they occur together and scientists (sorry, I mean the most Liberal of scientists... the ones paying attention) predict a dip in temperature, at least in some areas.

Sorry to break it to you, but just because you don't understand something does not make it a myth. Solar irradiance is a factor -- too bad it is at its nadir and should only increase in the next few years. La Niña leaves and gives way to warmer temperatures in certain parts of the world, and then the crazy NeoCons will hide out until there is a cold day or two in Podunk IL, where the quote from some old-timer will suffice for science.

You guys are scary weird. How did you manage to pass any science classes at all?

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/

The world is certainly not cooling. There are no charts that even remotely look like cooling unless you selectively and carefully pick your years.

Stimulus Package causes Global Warming

According to some enviormentalist, Obama's stimulus package will cause more global warming.

Why are the Liberals supporting the Stimulus package?

Could it be lack of integrity?

Don't worry Obama will fix the climate!

This is how Obama intends to end Global Warming and cool the Planet!
http://www.prisonplanet.com/obamas-plan-to-geo-engineer-the -planet-mirrors-cfr-policy-documents.html

During WW2, Russia deployed "The Scorched Earth Policy"
They burned buildings, crops, even grass, anything that might be of use to the enemy.
When all that atmospheric pollution was ionized into storms, it caused the most severe winter in Russian history.
Obama's plan to pollute the whole World's atmosphere will cause massive storms and possible floods.
The man-made catastrophes will be World Wide.
There certainly will be natural storms also and America will be blamed for all storm damage in the World because Obama is tampering with the climate!

Shrinkage from cooling vast areas of Tectonic Plates could possibly cause stress relief, (AKA Earthquakes).
Expect America to be blamed for all earthquake losses too!

Shading vast areas from direct sunlight will preserve Topical Ozone causing local buildup in localities with temperature inversions, like our Los Angeles Basin and Mexico's Torrione, etc.
These tolerance figures are for healthy young adults and do not deal with long term or repeated exposure. Among babies and the aged with COPD or other health issues you can expect America to be blamed for the many resulting deaths.
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/idlh/10028156.html

Make you wonder what Obama is thinking?
Or If he bothers to think?
Or if he can think?
Obama should stick to his area of expertise, (Community Organizer).
He hasn't enough scientific knowledge to make an ice cube!

Moonbat Ex
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!

Congratulations, you're the new front-runner for Townhall's dimwit of the year!

Re-read my post, slower this time. Bucko.

The utility costs
for all those poor people who can't afford Cap & Trade will undoubtedly be subsidized by the middle class who will be required to pony up as an act of compassion.

Archie Banker said it best in an episode of All In the Family. When his daughter Gloria was defending the communist system in the USSR, she wailed in her whinny little voice "Communists take from the rich and give to the poor." Archie replied "Yeh, and now they're all poor!"

inthemajority

This proves the AGW computer demo a hoax;
http://ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=15455

This proves Global warming Alarmists NEVER had a "Scientific Consensus"
http://www.petitionproject.org/

You are just parroting stale LIES that have been refuted here many times.

The AGW Scam is nothing but a HOAX!
Government by Bunko Scam!
The only object of the Global Warming Scam is to bilk money from gullible people like you!
Like THIS;
http://businessandmedia.org/commentary/2008/20080305124412. aspx

Frey
My guess is that most of the money will end up in the hands of George Soros,T.bones.Pickens,Warren Buffet and the rest of the big stock holders of G.E.

inthemajority
"You guys are scary weird. How did you manage to pass any science classes at all?"

Lord Monckton, Margaret Thatcher's former science adviser has passed a science class or two. Why is it that he was uninvited to appear before congress to refute Al Gore's 'testimony'. We are to take the word of a blow hard politician who is getting rich off of this 'science' over the word of a world renown science adviser. Just who is afraid of the science here?

One thing very noticeable Today

One thing very noticeable Today on the comments.

Knowing absolutely NOTHING about the subject, hasn't stopped Liberals from giving "Expert" opinions.

Actually, this is normal for Liberals.


This is Global Warming?

2009 - Record cold wind chills of -50 C recorded overnight in Saskatchewan (The Canadian Press, January 4, 2009)

2009 - Rochester sees snowiest winter in six years, record snow in December (Rochester Democrat & Chronicle, January 5, 2009)

2009 - Poor burn books to stay warm in chilly India, 55 dead (Reuters, January 5, 2009)

2009 - Forget warming, greenhouse gases may trigger ice age (The Times of India, January 5, 2009)

2009 - Cold streak sets new record, Saskatoon experiences 24 consecutive days of -25 C (The StarPhoenix, January 6, 2009)

2009 - Record cold weather payouts triggered as temperature hits -11C (The Times, UK, January 6, 2009)

2009 - Record-breaking cold -37 in Moose Jaw, Canada (The Moose Jaw Times Herald, Canada, January 6, 2009)

2009 - NCDC’s own graphic shows decadal cooling trend (Anthony Watts, Meteorologist, January 6, 2009)

2009 - Global Warming is Really Global Cooling (Right Side News, January 6, 2009)

2009 - Spokane, Wash., residents cope with record snow (Associated Press, January 7, 2009)

2009 - 12 deaths blamed on snow, cold across Europe; travellers face delays (The Canadian Press, January 7, 2009)

2009 - Ice Age returns to south as the sea freezes over (Portsmouth News, UK, January 8, 2009)

2009 - Minn. sled race canceled because of heavy snow (USA Today, January 8, 2009)

2009 - Extreme Alaska cold 60 below grounds planes, disables cars (The Associated Press, January 8, 2009)

2009 - Record snow takes toll on Great Falls plowing budget, crews (Montana News Network, January 9, 2009)

2009 - Life At Negative 78 Degrees In Alaska (NPR, January 9, 2009)

2009 - Polar Sea Ice Changes are Having a Net Cooling Effect on the Climate (Anthony Watts, Meteorologist, January 10, 2009)

2009 - Slovenia with record low temperature -49 (Montenegrin News Agency, January 11, 2009)

2009 - Earth on the Brink of an Ice Age (Pravda, Russia, January 11, 2009)

Stupid is as stupid does
The basic problems lies in the fact that we are currently being governed by a gaggle of hyper-political morons who are immune to facts and cannot see beyond the next election. Irrationality will prevail until we can vote these idiots out of office.

More Global Warming?

2008 - Hadley Climate Center Data shows global cooling in the last year (Anthony Watts, Meteorologist, August 15, 2008)

2008 - Mexican scientist warn Earth will enter 'Little Ice Age' for up to 80 Years Due to decrease in solar activity (Right Side News, August 19, 2008)

2008 - Global cooling gains momentum among scientists (Delta Farm Press, August 25, 2008)

2008 - Former head of CSIRO’s division of space science says global cooling may be on the way (Canberra Times, Australia, August 26, 2008)

2008 - 'Snowfall' shocks Kenyan village (BBC, September 3, 2008)

2008 - Global Warming’s Kaput; 2008 Coolest in 5 Years (NewsMax, September 8, 2008)

2008 - Old Farmers Almanac: Global cooling may be underway (USA Today, September 9, 2008)

2008 - NAS reports: 50 million year cooling trend (The Christian Science Monitor, September 25, 2008)

2008 - Global cooling sign: Solar winds at 50-year-low (Financial Post, Canada, September 28, 2008)

2008 - Ireland: Coldest September for 14 years (The Press Association, October 1, 2008)

2008 - Boise gets earliest snow on record (The Idaho Statesman, October 11, 2008)

2008 - Thirty years of warmer temperatures go poof (National Post, Canada, October 20, 2008)

2008 - Chill in the air: record low temps in 10 states (Anthony Watts, Meteorologist, October 26, 2008)

2008 - London has first October snow in over 70 years (The Guardian, UK, October 29, 2008)

2008 - Tibet's 'worst snowstorm ever', 7 killed (Xinhua, October 30, 2008)

2008 - South Florida cold spell breaks records (Sun Sentinel, October 30, 2008)

2008 - NOAA: U.S. breaks or ties 115 cold and sets 63 new snowfall records (Anthony Watts, Meteorologist, October 30, 2008)

2008 - Global Cooling is Here (Global Research, November 2, 2008)

2008 - Alarmists Still Heated Even As World Cools (Investors Business Daily, November 04, 2008)

2008 - Third building collapses under weight of snow (Ottawa Citizen, November 10, 2008)







Even More Global Warming
2008 - Bitter cold shatters record (The Charlotte Observer, November 19, 2008)

2008 - New satellite indicates cycle of global cooling (The Spokesman-Review. November 20, 2008)

2008 - Early Snowfalls In Europe Hit 'Historic Levels' (Ski Report Europe, December 3, 2008)

2008 - Rare 50 year Arctic Blast Sets Sights On Southern California (Ontario Weather Service, December 8, 2008)

2008 - Oscillation Rules as the Pacific Cools (NASA, December 9, 2008)

2008 - Houston ties earliest snowfall record (Houston Chronicle, December 10, 2008)

2008 - Rare snow falls in south Louisiana, Miss., Alabama (Associated Press, December 11, 2008)

2008 - Worst ice storm in decade hits New England (Nashua Telegraph, December 12, 2008)

2008 - Cold weather sets records in several cities (Great Falls Tribune, December 14, 2008)

2008 - Denver sets record for cold temp today (The Denver Post, December 14, 2008)

2008 - Record low temperature set this morningin Seattle (The Seattle Times, December 15, 2008)

2008 - Northeast Siberia braces for extreme cold of -60C (RIA Novosti ,December 15, 2008)

2008 - Record cold chills out Colorado (The Gazette, December 15, 2008)

2008 - Record cold grips southern Alberta (The Lethbridge Herald, Canada, December 15, 2008)

2008 - Record snow hits Nanaimo in British Columbia, Canada (Nanaimo Daily News, Canada, December 15, 2008)

2008 - 2008 will be coolest year since 1997: WMO (Reuters, December 16, 2008)

2008 - St. Cloud, Minnesota sees record cold temp (Post-Bulletin, December 17, 2008)

2008 - The Cause of Cold Weather Is Global Warming? (FOX News, December 18, 2008)

2008 - Global cooling is here (Seattle Post-Intelligencer, December 18, 2008)

2008 - Record snow fall paralyzing Spokane (The Seattle Times, December 18, 2008)

2008 - Frigid Storm Closes California Freeways, Drops Snow in Malibu (FOX News, December 18, 2008)

Much More Global Warming

2008 - Las Vegas gets heaviest snow fall in 30 years (The Daily Telegraph, UK, December 18, 2008)

2008 - Carports collapse under heavy snow (Las Vegas Sun, December 18, 2008)

2008 - Bihar cold wave death toll rises to 24 (The Bihar Times, India, December 19, 2008)

2008 - The Alps have best snow conditions 'in a generation' (The Daily Telegraph, UK, December 19, 2008)

2008 - Global cooling brings early white Christmas (Ventura County Star, December 20, 2008)

2008 - Albany Breaks 1887 Snow Record (North County Gazette, December 21, 2008)

2008 - The Spotless Sun Continues as Global Cooling Arrives (Joseph D’Aleo, M.S. Meteorology, CCM, AMS Fellow, December 21, 2008)

2008 - Beijing's coldest December day in 57 years (Danwei, Hong Kong, December 22, 2008)

2008 - 40-Year Record Snow Buries Portland Area (The Oregonian, December 22, 2008)

2008 - Heavy snow causes a roof to collapse in Portland (The Oregonian, December 22, 2008)

2008 - Heavy Snow collapses manufacturing building roof - Seattle (MSNBC, December 22, 2008)

2008 - Record amount of snow on the ground in Calgary (Financial Post, Canada, December 22, 2008)

2008 - Snow causes roof collapse at Calgary Soccer Centre (Calgary Herald, Canada, December 22, 2008)

2008 - Cold weather kills 10 in Maryland since October (The Baltimore Examiner, December 23, 2008)

2008 - It's Cold Outside, But Global Warming Industry Still Hard At Work (Human Events. December 23, 2008)


Retired Geek
You prove my points about Cons and science. I think I'll use your list as a starting point on how not to argue a scientific point.

What is it about the term Global that baffles you and causes you to stammer about weather reportsfrom specific locations at specific times? You do realize that only the temperature-related items matter, and that they have all be integrated into the results. So how do you explain the fact that the earth's temperature is rising?

Welcome to NeoCon-ville, where science is whatever you want it to be.

Quite a list Geek
Retired Geek - 4:36 PM EST
Even More Global Warming
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In politics winter does not count, not with the lying democrats and rino's.

Record Cold Grips Planet - AGW blamed

2008 - An inconvenient truth: The Earth is cooling (The Baltimore Examiner, December 23, 2008)

2008 - Snow, again? Vegas sets another record this morning (Las Vegas Sun, December 23, 2008)

2008 - Deep freeze, heavy snows blast US; holiday travel snarled (AFP, December 23, 2008)

2008 - Record snow buries Beaver Creek, Colorado (Vail Daily, December 24, 2008)

2008 - Half of the USA is covered in snow (Anthony Watts, Meteorologist, December 25, 2008)

2008 - Canadians get first national white Christmas in nearly four decades (The Canadian Press, December 25, 2008)

2008 - For the first time in years, western part of Lake Superior freezes over (Pierce County Herald, Wisconsin, December 26, 2008)

2008 - Green Bay snowfall breaks 1887 record for December (Green Bay Press-Gazette, December 26, 2008)

2008 - Snowfall immobilizes rural communities in eastern, central Turkey (Todays Zaman, December 26, 2008)

2008 - Two Flagstaff strip malls closed after roofs collapse due to heavy snow (The Arizona Daily Sun, December 26, 2008)

2008 - Cold creates record energy demand (Great Falls Tribune, December 27, 2008)

2008 - Thousands trapped in -15 degree snowstorm in Sikkim, India (The Times of India, December 27, 2008)

2008 - Olympia Horse-arena roofs collapse under snow (The Seattle Times, December 28, 2008)

2008 - Record-breaking cold descends on Switzerland (Swissinfo, Switzerland, December 28, 2008)

2008 - Ice age on its way (The Arizona Republic, December 28, 2008)

2008 - It's official: Snowfall record for single month tumbles (Wisconsin State Journal, December 29, 2008)

2008 - Snowfall breaks Fargo record for December (West Fargo Pioneer, December 30, 2008)

2008 - Record December snow at Grand Forks (Associated Press, December 30, 2008)

2008 - December's 48 inches of snow in Fox Valley Wisconsin buries previous record set in 1968 (Appleton Post-Crescent, December 31, 2008)

If anyone ever wondered
How gypsies, fortune tellers, blue suede shoe scam/con men make a living, just read this moron's posts and let it sink in.

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inthemajority

The majority he belongs to is that group PT Barnum spoke about

Earth on the Brink of an Ice Age

Russian Scientists reported by Pravda.
NOTE: American MSM can no longer be trusted.

"The earth is now on the brink of entering another Ice Age, according to a large and compelling body of evidence from within the field of climate science.

Many sources of data which provide our knowledge base of long-term climate change indicate that the warm, twelve thousand year-long Holocene period will rather soon be coming to an end, and then the earth will return to Ice Age conditions for the next 100,000 years.

Ice cores, ocean sediment cores, the geologic record, and studies of ancient plant and animal populations all demonstrate a regular cyclic pattern of Ice Age glacial maximums which each last about 100,000 years, separated by intervening warm interglacials, each lasting about 12,000 years."


More from Pravda and Russian Scientists

"Most of the long-term climate data collected from various sources also shows a strong correlation with the three astronomical cycles which are together known as the Milankovich cycles.

The three Milankovich cycles include the tilt of the earth, which varies over a 41,000 year period; the shape of the earth’s orbit, which changes over a period of 100,000 years; and the Precession of the Equinoxes, also known as the earth’s ‘wobble’, which gradually rotates the direction of the earth’s axis over a period of 26,000 years.

According to the Milankovich theory of Ice Age causation, these three astronomical cycles, each of which effects the amount of solar radiation which reaches the earth, act together to produce the cycle of cold Ice Age maximums and warm interglacials."

talent scout & Ret Geek: Obviously, SOME

people just don't get it...




And Even More From Pravda

"During the 1970s the famous American astronomer Carl Sagan and other scientists began promoting the theory that ‘greenhouse gasses’ such as carbon dioxide, or CO2, produced by human industries could lead to catastrophic global warming.

Since the 1970s the theory of ‘anthropogenic global warming’ (AGW) has gradually become accepted as fact by most of the academic establishment, and their acceptance of AGW has inspired a global movement to encourage governments to make pivotal changes to prevent the worsening of AGW.

The central piece of evidence that is cited in support of the AGW theory is the famous ‘hockey stick’ graph which was presented by Al Gore in his 2006 film “An Inconvenient Truth.”

The ‘hockey stick’ graph shows an acute upward spike in global temperatures which began during the 1970s and continued through the winter of 2006/07.

However, this warming trend was interrupted when the winter of 2007/8 delivered the deepest snow cover to the Northern Hemisphere since 1966 and the coldest temperatures since 2001.

It now appears that the current Northern Hemisphere winter of 2008/09 will probably equal or surpass the winter of 2007/08 for both snow depth and cold temperatures."

Pravda States the Al Gore Flaw

"The main flaw in the AGW theory is that its proponents focus on evidence from only the past one thousand years at most, while ignoring the evidence from the past million years -- evidence which is essential for a true understanding of climatology.

The data from paleoclimatology provides us with an alternative and more credible explanation for the recent global temperature spike, based on the natural cycle of Ice Age maximums and interglacials.

In 1999 the British journal “Nature” published the results of data derived from glacial ice cores collected at the Russia’s Vostok station in Antarctica during the 1990s.

The Vostok ice core data includes a record of global atmospheric temperatures, atmospheric CO2 and other greenhouse gases, and airborne particulates starting from 420,000 years ago and continuing through history up to our present time."

intheMANORITY: Psssst...I'll tell you a

little secret ...

When the weather gets consistently colder... it's pretty clear that we're not in a "glo-bull warming" cycle. Know what I mean??

Not to mention, more and MORE climatologists are comimg out and sayimg that this "glo-bull warming" thing is a hoax.




inthemajority

I have already REFUTED every part of the Global Warming Histeria.
The Computer model can't even predict the weather for YESTERDAY!
http://ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=15455

The BIG LIE about a "Scientific Consensus" is simply that, A LIE!
Over 31,478 REAL Scientists have signed a Petition attesting to the fact that AGW is a HOAX!
http://www.petitionproject.org/

AGW has been refuted here COUNTLESS TIMES!
What does it take to convince you Propagandists that you are wasting thread space?

Take your SCAM back to CodePink where you belong!
I am sure you will look less foolish there!

Anne and Talent Scout et al

Al Gore is a scam artist and the AGW is simply a method to help Barack Obama bring Marxist/Socialism to America.

The Barack Obama Administration has stopped calling this 'flim flam' Clobal Warming because even the Liberal 'Air Heads' were starting to NOT believe.

This is NOW caused 'Global Climate Change' by Barack Obama - I call it 'Hedging the Bet' - now Obama can use his 'Snake Oil' selling skills, whether it 'Warms or Cools'.

MyOpine et al

Refutation with facts just confuses Liberals like 'InTheMajority'.

Remember if the Barack Obama Administration doesn't have a 'Real Crisis', they will create them to keep their 'Air Heads' in line.

AGW Liberal Propaganda

“All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.”
— Adolf Hitler

“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.”
— Adolf Hitler

Al Gore and Barack Obama learned well from this Socialist and use his tactics.

Morality
I believe that we should be good stewards of the earth just as I believe that we should be good stewards of the body (our bodies). We should conserve and we should be more efficient in our use of energy. If we want to preserve our standard of living, we are going to need more energy than can be produced by wind or solar.
I would be more in favor of the program of less carbon dioxide being added to the atmosphere if:
1. China and India were on board in the effort.
2. If I didn't suspect that climate change fears were being used to get control of more of people's lives. Socialism is not as popular as it was although I perceive that many in power seem to be promoting policies hat smack of it.
3. If someone other than Al Gore was promoting it. Somehow he does not inspire my trust-I am grateful that he is a TINO. He had to be shamed into "greening" his huge house.
4. The fact that the climate change people do not want to drill offshore and in ANWR, when we are stuck with oil for the next decade at least, makes me not trust them.
5. Exclusion of nuclear makes me think that they really don't care about carbon dioxide.
Donald W. Bales, Kingsport, Tn.

Anne, Geek, I have used words,
Today I rarely used in my life, 65 years long.

algore is no scientist.
He is not even a good politician.

This guy is the most responsible for the obvious pile of manure about predicting the weather.
Hot or cold.

And the people like "inthemajority" come and pass this quacky nonsense as if its honestly believable in how they frame their arguments to justify taxes.

These people insult the average intelligence of an 8th grader, let alone a thinking adult.

I take no joy in calling such posters morons, but there is no other word to describe how offensive their bs is to my intelligence let alone a real scientists.

He is indeed a moron

This is such nonsense!
Donald writes:- 5:20 PM EST
Morality
If we want to preserve our standard of living, we are going to need more energy than can be produced by wind or solar.
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This lying scam is destroying all but the rich man's standard of living.

Reminds me of what was said (by some)and mocked about Vietnam.


We had to destroy it to build it right.

This is about a global tax for the super rich men who do not care about mankind whatsoever.
Except to be used for the needed labor.


I am not real
Good about making myself understood at times, this is one of them.

Thought I had best explain my title of post "this is such nonsense"
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talent scout Location: CO
Reply # 1
Date: May 23, 2009 - 5:25 PM EST
This is such nonsense!
Donald writes:- 5:20 PM EST
Morality
If we want to preserve our standard of living, we are going to need more energy than can be produced by wind or solar.
======================

Not what Don said, but the idea we can supply our energy needs by wind and solar.

Its insane

jax33
So, corporations are the bad guys?

If you have had enough Govt. Bunko.

Make sure you are counted among like minded July 4th.
If you don't know of a Tea Party in your area then use this link to find one.
Or if you need help to organize a Tea Party.
http://www.teapartyday.com/

For all you libs
You know a lot of you support gay marriage, abortion and sexual freedom (teaching kids as early as possible including condoms) just by your dim voting even if you kind of believe in God and are just chancing it that there isn't a he!l.

Well use the same philosophy on global warming and energy. It doesn't matter what you do the Chinese and Indians are going to bury you in carbons with cheap oil, coal and nuclear. So why go bankrupt with these loons in DC when you can have fun while the fun lasts. GET IT?

climate change
The inconvenient truth about global warming is that it is an agenda driven environmental opinion, supported by politicians and based on junk science.The agenda is to to regulate, ration and increase taxes on carbon based fuels.
This will give government more control of energy, industry and eventually your lifestyles.
However, this agenda will do nothing to affect global temperatures.

King Elect O should shut up
and stop giving a speech every 30 secs. and save all that C02.

Speed Reader
Did anyone see the speed reader the Dems hired to read the 900 page bill before Congress in case the Repubs had insisted that it be done?

It was the single most embarrassing moment in the history of the senate. It was the height of hypocrasy. It would have devastated the dems in the next election cycle had NOT Rep Joe Barton, R-TX, let them off the hook. Here's a link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_SB7g_Yb-0

First, for a bill with potentially devastating economic effects (read DEVASTATING!), the dems refuse to hear a dissenting voice. Then they hire a speed reader who is unintelligible. Thanks Joe Barton, may your decendents spit on your grave.

Liberal Ignornce og AGW exhibited

One thing very noticeable Today on the comments.

Knowing absolutely NOTHING about the subject, hasn't stopped Liberals from giving "Expert" opinions.

Actually, this is normal for Liberals.

Ignorance is the mother's milk of Liberalism.

Swiss Bank Accounts
With legislation so important, why wouldn't Congress listen to Monckton, a dissenting voice? Either they knew for certain he had no facts that could change their minds (something they could not know - for certain), or they knew nothing he said could change the minds of the eco-lobbyists who are pouring hundreds of millions into their election coffers and their Swiss Bank Accounts.

Incredible Article on GW
Here is a link to the most convincing article on "Global Warming." It is written by a Princeton Physics PhD. You cannot read this and continue to think that CO2 is a problem.

"I predict that future historians will look back on this period much as we now view the period just before the passage of the 18th Amendment to the US Constitution to prohibit “the manufacturing, sale or transportation of intoxicating liquors."

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/reprint/happer_senate_tes timony.html

h2O skier
Energy costs will increase to all businesses across the board. That is transportation, heating, lighting, machinery. They will have to lay off workers and still they will be passing costs on to us.

Food, gas, heating oil, electricity, all will skyrocket. The cost to us, following a national economic meltdown, will be incalculable.

Obama's Next Big Pronouncement
Since Obama has now said that we can't afford these deficits that he is largely responsible for, and after seeing him say that "We have no more money", I predict his first message after passing Cap & Trade will be:

Carbon is not a pollutant. Carbon is not a toxin. We all exhale it everytime we breathe. We need carbon to live. Plants need carbon to live. In fact, there are many periods in Earth's history when carbon was double what it is today - and plants thrived.

Fantasy Control
That link is rock solid.


I wish everyone would read it.

Stuff like this is real teaching, well for the teachable anyway.


"Speaking of the Romans, then invading Scotland in the year 83, the great Scottish chieftain Calgacus is quoted as saying “They make a desert and call it peace.” If you have the power to stifle dissent, you can indeed create the illusion of peace or consensus. The Romans have made impressive inroads into climate science. Certainly, it is a bit unnerving to read statements of Dr. James Hansen in the Congressional Record that climate skeptics are guilty of “high crimes against humanity and nature."

I propose a solution: The Democrat Tax
Since it is liberals and Democrats who find it such an imperative for us to replace our current energy production methods with windmills and solar tanning stations, at the expense of proven, efficient, cost effective oil, those who identify themselves as Democrats should be the ones to support it financially.

If you are registered as a Democrat, you should be presented with reality and the burden of the financial impact of your, oh-so-good-for-us intentions. Republicans et al should be granted tax exemptions and refunds for any and all increases in terms of today's dollars.

If the left is in such a damn hurry to cram their beliefs down our throats, they should be eager to be the first in line to experience the reality of their results. Go for good vibes if you must but don't saddle the rest of us with the consequences of your delusions.

Yesterday's "Crisis"
From the editorial page of the Columbus (Ohio) Dispatch, from Jan. 13, 1972.

Great Debate Shaping Up on Zero Population Growth

Catch phrase of the latest great debate now in the United States is Zero Population Growth - the point at which government policy says the total of births and immigrants shall not exceed the number of deaths in any given year.

It has not been too many years ago this matter was confined by theorists to the underdeveloped world where population growths were highest and ability to provide food was lowest. The problem is now considered by experts to be an American problem and one WHICH WARRANTS IMMEDIATE RESOLUTION.

Congress has established an Office of Population Affairs and along with the President (Nixon) has set up a Commission on Population Growth and the American Future. IT HAS ALREADY CONCLUDED THAT THE TIME HAS COME TO ASK WHAT LEVEL OF POPULATION IS GOOD FOR THE U.S. and that it is A MATTER OF NATIONAL POLICY TO SEEK TO STABILIZE OUR POPULATION.

Fantasy Control
Funny you should mention Dr. Happer's testimony:

http://www.finepolitics.com/tainted-testimony/

In the majority

IF the data predented is accurate (and that would depend on where, how often and the number of sensors used) then it merely shows the trend.

It does not:

1. Prove to me that the .8 degree rise in temperature in the last 130 years (a mere millisecond in historical terms) was predicted by anyone. A name, please?

or 2. that it is caused by man.

The ball's in your court, ITM.

Frey
It's just a left wing blog, with some guy trying to equate various scientific opinions. Have you read Happer's testimony? If not, why not?

Funny Frey
You should bring up this link when there is this one also on the internet.

Frey writes: 10:26 PM EST
Fantasy Control
Funny you should mention Dr. Happer's testimony:

http://www.finepolitics.com/tainted-testimony/
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Sure is funny, huh.
No need to say what your point is but just give a link.
Ok, here's one for you.

http://jaguar.eb.com/dictionary/dummkopfs

JD's Handsome Son
Right on. If you want to control carbon emissions, then control the birth rate, and stop economic growth, while you're at it.

On the one hand, the Dems want to tax the strongest economy in the world out of existence, on the other (the hand behind their back), they want to set in motion events which will grow America's population to 450 million by 2050. Amid water shortages, "climate change", pestilence, bankrupt governments, economic disaster and increasing crime rates, they want to add 30 to 40 million Catholics, many of whom do not believe in birth control, but instead practice large family.

It is nothing more than the Dems way to capture power for the next millenia while destroying American economic prosperity. They possess no capacity for critical thinking, but they're quite adept at spouting feel good platitudes and padding their own pocketbooks. For them, the answer is large government, even when governments under their leadership have shown time and again that they are morally and physically bankrupt.

inthemajority
Here is a talk by Bob Carter talking about ice core samples saying that the Earth at one point in time was 5 degrees warmer than it is today. How come you want to ignore that data and only look at data over the last 100 years? Since the Earth is billions of years old 100 years is a blink of an eye in relative terms. You can look at his talk about the hoax of global warming here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI

InTheMajority
How warm is too warm? Who gets to decide?

How much CO2 is too much? Who gets to decide?

Upon what or whose authority does all this rest?






for the little guys
If the insane democrats can murder enough world citizens, hopefully out of sight and out of mind like in Africa, they can achieve their scrooge inspired goal of reducing the world's population to "sustainable levels".
That level was determined to be around 2 billion DECADES AGO.
Since the crybaby libtards claim they won't go for nuclear anhillation (expect if Israel is wiped off the face of the earth) they have to go for something else. Banning DDT, banning GM food, baning new industry, banning oil drilling, banning coal, banning natural gas, banning nuclear power...
They keep trying - and they keep winning - I bet they've murdered at least a billion so far with their "unintended consequences".
The numbers will only rise. They really like the raving lunatic islamofascists and their governments taking over Africa and slaughtering away in so many nations there you can't even count them all.
Heck our own faux president non citizen campaigned for his own terrorizing murdering cousin Odinga.
It's real hip and cool if you're the libtard dem, shedding blood for politcal cuases just plain rocks ! The killing is the sound of love, like when Che did it !
How exciting ! The raping and sex with the threat of death and the looting the ability to take vengeance in the streets ! whoo hoo !
When everything is destroyed, the taking life and emissions on mother earth are reduced. Those who murder pillage and rape and destroy are earths enviro heroes.

talent scout
Yeah, gee, what was I thinking? God forbid that someone accidently reads something that disagrees with him.

Fantasy Control
You will notice that the blogger helpfully posted a link to Dr. Happer's testimony, so the answer is yes, yes I have. And the blogger backed his assertions up with links or easily-checkable facts, so if you've got a disagreement with one of them, spill it.

Sorry, dude. Guess you're going to have to work just a little harder to get the last word in.

Let me tell you
Frey writes:6:10 PM EST
talent scout
Yeah, gee, what was I thinking?
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Nothing
You are not thinking at all, you are parroting.


climate change hoax
When God moved upon the face of the waters as he created this planet,he put in place everything that the earth needed to have humans living here.You people need to read what God told JOB in chapter 38 and39 of the KJV bible and you might just be able to understand some of the work he has done.He doesn't need Gore to come out of his rat hole to tell us that there is a global warming.It's all for Al and he's making a fortune on the stupidity of the liberals in this country!

Talent Scout
I make the same offer to you as I did to Fantasy Control. If you have a specific problem with any of the assertions of the blog entry, I'm all ears.
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