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Saturday, June 28, 2008
Paul Driessen :: Townhall.com Columnist
Drill Here. Drill Now. Drill ANWR.
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“We can’t drill our way out of our energy problem.” This daily mantra, mostly from Democrats, underscores an abysmal grasp of economics by the politicians, activists, bureaucrats and judges who are dictating US policies. If only their hot air could be converted into usable energy.

Drilling is no silver bullet. But it is vital. It won’t generate overnight production. But just announcing that America is finally hunting oil again would send a powerful signal to energy markets … and to speculators – many of whom are betting that continued US drilling restrictions will further exacerbate the global demand-supply imbalance, and send “futures” prices even higher.

Pro-drilling policies would likely bring lower prices, as did recent announcements that Brazil had found new offshore oil fields and Iraq would sign contracts to increase oil production. Conversely, news that supplies are tightening – because of sabotage in Nigeria’s delta region, or more congressional bans on leasing – will send prices upward.

One of our best prospects is Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, which geologists say contains billions of barrels of recoverable oil. If President Clinton hadn’t bowed to Wilderness Society demands and vetoed 1995 legislation, we’d be producing a million barrels a day from ANWR right now. That’s equal to US imports from Saudi Arabia, at $50 billion annually.

Drilling in ANWR would get new oil flowing in 5-10 years, depending on how many lawsuits environmentalists file. That’s far faster than benefits would flow from supposed alternatives: devoting millions more acres of cropland to corn or cellulosic ethanol, converting our vehicle fleet to hybrid and flex-fuel cars, building dozens of new nuclear power plants, and blanketing thousands of square miles with wind turbines and solar panels. These alternatives would take decades to implement, and all face political, legal, technological, economic and environmental hurdles.

ANWR is the size of South Carolina. Its narrow coastal plain is frozen and windswept most of the year. Wildlife flourish amid drilling and production in other Arctic regions, and would do so near ANWR facilities. Inuits who live there know this, and support drilling by an 8:1 margin. Gwich’in Indians who oppose drilling live hundreds of miles away – and have leased and drilled their own tribal lands, including caribou migratory routes.

Drilling and production operations would impact only 2,000 acres – to produce 15 billion gallons of oil annually. Saying this tiny footprint would spoil the refuge is like saying a major airport along South Carolina’s northern border would destroy the state’s scenery and wildlife.

It’s a far better bargain than producing 7 billion gallons of ethanol in 2007 from corn grown on and area the size of Indiana (23 million acres). It’s far better than using wind to generate enough electricity to power New York City, which would require blanketing Connecticut (3 million acres) with turbines.

Anti-drilling factions also assert: “US energy prices are high, because Americans consume 25% of the world’s oil, while possessing only 3% of its proven oil reserves.”

Possession has nothing to do with prices – any more than owning a library, but never opening the books, improves intellectual abilities; or owning farmland that’s never tilled feeds hungry people.

It is production that matters – and the United States has locked up vast energy resources. Not just an estimated 169 billion barrels of oil in the Outer Continental Shelf, Rockies, Great Lakes, Southwest and ANWR – but also natural gas, coal, uranium and hydroelectric resources.

“Proven reserves” are resources that drilling has confirmed exist and can be produced with current technology and prices. By imposing bans on leasing, and encouraging environmentalists to challenge seismic and drilling permits on existing leases, politicians ensure that we will never increase our proven reserves. In fact, reserves will decrease, as we deplete existing deposits and don’t replace them. The rhetoric is clever – but disingenuous, fraudulent and harmful.

The Geological Survey and Congressional Research Service say it’s 95% likely that there are 15.6 billion barrels of oil beneath ANWR. With today’s prices and technology, 60% of that is recoverable. At $135 a barrel, that represents $1.3 trillion that we would not have to send to Iran, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela. It means lower prices and reduced risks of oil spills from tankers carrying foreign crude.

It represents another $400 billion in state and federal royalties and corporate income taxes – plus billions in lease sale revenues, plus thousands of direct and indirect jobs, in addition to numerous jobs created when this $1.7 trillion total is invested in the USA.

It means additional billions in income tax revenues that those jobs would generate, and new opportunities for minority, poor and blue collar families to improve their lives and living standards. It means lower prices for gasoline, heating, cooling, food and other products.

That’s just ANWR. Factor in America’s other locked-up energy, and we’re talking tens of trillions of dollars that we either keep in the United States, by producing that energy … or ship overseas.

This energy belongs to all Americans. It’s not the private property of environmental pressure groups, or of politicians who cater to them in exchange for re-election support.

This energy is likewise the common heritage of mankind. Politicians and eco-activists have no right to keep it off limits – and tell the rest of the world: We have no intention of developing American energy. We don’t care if you need oil, soaring food and energy prices are pummeling your poor, or drilling in your countries harms your habitats to produce oil for US consumers.

Those attitudes are immoral and intolerable. It’s time to drill again here in America – while conserving more and pursuing new energy technologies for the future.

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Paul Driessen is senior policy adviser for the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT), which is sponsoring the All Pain No Gain petition against global-warming hype. He also is a senior policy adviser to the Congress of Racial Equality and author of Eco-Imperialism: Green Power - Black Death.

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Canada has
billions of tons of oil sands. Guess who imports the oil extracted from same? We do. At least half of the gasoline sold in our community alone is blended from Canadian oil.

Meantime, in the Roan Plateau there is plenty of oil trapped in the shales. New technology has come up with a way to extract it that is far improved over the initial attempts of 20+ years ago. We've a core sample from the time my DG worked for Chevron at that time; the layers are intriguing, consisting of black, grey, and every variation in between.

Yet our Governor, federal and State legislators and Congressmen (mostly Democrats) would rather waste time in more "environmental studies" that will not show anything different than they have for years, than give the go-ahead to the processes necessary to create jobs, enlarge the tax base, and result in an economy that would have opportunities available for all who want them.

I guess the greenies would rather hand our dollars over to unfriendly nations like SA, Mexico and Venezuela than pay our own people. Go figure.

Green Madness
Thank you for the wonderful column Paul. Please shout it from the highest hills. I especially liked the part about,

"It’s a far better bargain than producing 7 billion gallons of ethanol in 2007 from corn grown on and area the size of Indiana (23 million acres). It’s far better than using wind to generate enough electricity to power New York City, which would require blanketing Connecticut (3 million acres) with turbines."

It puts in perspective how idiotic it is to stop oil development in favor of these low grade substitutes.

I have another idea.. How about we ban gasoline use for the people that are against it? By the time we run through the green groups and their benefactors, the democrats, and posers like algore, we would have oil a plenty.

One of the keys to environmentalism is getting someone else to pay for it. How about the antis live by their little experiment first and tell us how it all worked out?

Stemster
StopTheEnvironmentalMadness Blog
http://stem.blogtownhall.com/

Excellent column!

We are the ONLY oil producing nation in the world that doesn't maximize its oil production capabilities and resources. We're the ONLY ONE that doesn't drill all its proven fields.

THE ONLY ONE.

That's because we're being held hostage by a bunch of social-engineering Greenies and their fellow travelers like McCain.

As "Aliveinhim" wrote, we have massive deposits in our oil shale, 1 - 2 TRILLION barrels, with which we're doing nothing. Canada's Athabasca sands have proven the technology viable and economical, and recent in situ recovery process advancements have made it even more so.

It's absolutely insane that we're not drilling like crazy.

The myth of "alternative energy"
Our technological society was developed concurrent with and designed around the use of petroleum products, along with the supporting infrastructure. Harry Potter's not going to be able to waive some magic wand and change that.

Even if some "alternate" source IS developable, it's many years if not decades away.

And once developed, then what? Again, a magic wand won't work. There are tens of millions of cars, trucks, trains, and airplanes that run on petroleum. They're not going away, nor will they be magically replaced by vehicles that run on something else. How is this new "alternate" going to be distributed? We have tens of thousands of gas stations across this country.

To change that would be such a fundamental change that it would exceed our resources as an economy; we're talking about TRILLIONS of dollars in costs, and decades in implementation.

Further, our country is only one in a WORLD that runs on petroleum. Is the whole world going to change? Because if it doesn't, we'd be screwed. And the rest of the world is even LESS likely to make that kind of change.

This whole "alternate energy" talk is pure hokum and BS, along the lines of all the hype at the end of WW2 about "flying cars" in every garage. Fantasyland sci-fi nonsense.

A medical analogy:

Doctor: "You have cancer, and the only treatment available for your type is chemo, which we need to start immediately if you're to survive."

Patient: "I think I'll wait for another cure, an 'alternate' that won't make me sick".

End result: one dead patient.


Send a message
I am sending a message to my congressional leaders..No oil = NO VOTE!

Drilling in Anwar
This is a no brainer. If the Democrats had allowed the Bush Administration in 2001 to Drill in Anwr like he said he would do in 2000 when he was running against "Global Warming Gore", we wouldn't have this problem today. Instead they began to demonize Bush with the help of the MSM, on everything, helping and abetting our enemies at every turn. This war would have been over and done with and we would have plenty of oil if it were not for the partison bickering in Congress and Senate since day l of the Bush Administration. You think a change in party is going to make things better, think again. Obamas friends in the middle east are not about to let us off their gravy train. The Democrat mantra is "Drilling is Not the Answer". Obama wants us to give up our SUV's, not eat as much as we want and ask the rest of the world if it's OK with them. Anyone who believes this crap, has to have their head turned on straight. It's pure Democrat B.S.

No Viable Alternative
Until they can show us something that we can fill up our cars and drive with instead of gasoline, they should just shut up.

This isn't about fulfilling the demand or bringing the price down, it's about getting us to modify our behavior to conform to their expectations. They would like to see us on buses or riding bikes. America has had it too good for too long; we're just being greedy.

You people out there donating money to environmental causes have just got to stop funding these nuts!

Open refineries, start drilling, and get on with our future. Until someone can show me something serious, I prefer to live in the real world and believe that oil IS the future. Plane manufacturers have orders for planes a decade into the future; these planes run on common fuels. Oil IS the future until they can PROVE otherwise.

We need to quit putting idiots in charge!

Negativity AGAIN, Again, and Again
I have been saying for years, the negativity against oil, and everything else our President has wanted to pass is because they do not want him to be right. Our congress and senate could care less what is good for our country, they are self-centered and closed minded. They are so sick about how well our troops are doing, they will not even mention Iraq any more. Why do we keep voting them in?, because most voters do not pay attention to what is really going on, then they complain. We should be careful what we ask for, because this is what we get.

Great article!
Once again the liberal nay-sayers to drilling show us just what they are, losers! Their idea that we would only reap the benefits of drilling in 10 years is just pure lies. Right off the coast of California are "proven" oil fields that could be tapped in one year or less. We know that there is oil off of Florida, and the technology to get that oil is already available and ready to go (check out the Gulf of Mexico). We just have to keep fighting the Enviro-nazis, and liberal jerks who feel that this nation should be a third world country.

I have a question.
How come Governors and States can veto any oil drilling in their states,but the Governor and people in Alaska want MORE drilling in their state,but they are not allowed to have it? Am I missing something here?

The citizens in Alaska get a check from their state government every year around Christmas for $2,000 for every man,woman,and child.So a family of husband,wife,and three children would recieve $10,000 every December.They pay no state income taxes.The state pays them.

Now that's a real hardship!

Drill in Tennessee!!!
Right in Algore's living room. May not get any oil but the water geyser will give the 27,000 sq. ft. behemoth a much-needed enema.

-Ray
NRA Life Member

Let them eat sand
I'm all for drilling in ANWAR. I'm also in favor of alternative energy sources, developing more cost-efficient solar panels, and the like. But for the here and now, petroleum demand isn't going to decrease. Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Venezuela aren't making more petroleum reserves. If we use theirs up now, and THEN start on ours, we have the long-term advantage, right?

This is the issue
that can sink the libs, if it gets to the attention of Joe and Jane Sixpack. This is not going to be easy, but if McCain and ALL the Republican candidates, even the RINOs make it number one in their campaigns, it could be done. I yield to no one in considering the imperviousness of the average human brain, but all the blue collars i know, say drilling sounds more likely to bring down gas prices than taxing gas company profits. $4 gas is in everyone's face. No other issue comes close as an attenion getter.

Two possible solutions
Here's a thought: citizens of states that don't want to drill should be forced to pay a surcharge for every gallon of gasoline large enough to lower the price to $2 a gallon for everyone else. That way, they get to feel good about themselves for saving Mother Gaia while the rest of us can get on with our lives.

I have never felt such anger, bitterness, and contempt toward other Americans as I do toward these environmental morons who are quite happy to destroy our country's way of life, all for the sake of UNPROVEN THEORIES such as Global Warming and Peak Oil. For the first time in my life, I'm seriously wondering if it wouldn't be best to partition this country along political lines. We'll keep the name; they can call their country The People's Republic of America. Guess I'd have to leave Seattle, but I'm sick and tired of this socialist dictatorship, anyway.

Marinero
Environmentalists can be a head ache but isn't is smart to save a little oil for future generations, when we could learn to better stewards of the earth. If I were Saudi Arabia, I'd be nervous because once their oil runs out thats it, they have no other industry. Also, as John McCain said even with the oil the environmentalist are telling us to be careful about, it isn't going to lower that gas price, maybe in 5 years we would see some impact. The biggest wand our president could wave, and make a very big impact on prices right away, is to talk with Iran and allay the fears of the stock market that war is around the corner. When the Israelis the other day made a dry run on an Iranian attack, the prices sky rocketed.

**25 percent of the world's oil goes through the Straits of Hormuz**

We Need An Energy Plan.
I am not against drilling for domestic oil, including ANWAR. But before I give my support to ANWAR, I need some questions answered:

First - There is no guarantee that drilling in ANWAR will lower prices, especially if demand increases. And if the goal is to lower prices, why is there no discussion about lowering demand to lower prices? If we focus on both we get better results. Conservation and alternative energy sources need to be part of the solution to reduce demand, not just more oil to increase supply.

Second, if we open up ANWAR, what assurances do we have that the oil companies will actually drill there? Right now 85 million acres with thousands of licenses are open to the oil companies to drill. They are not drilling. There are estimates that there are 114 billion barrels of oil offshore. Only 19 billion barrels are protected. Why aren’t they drilling the other 90 billion barrels?

Third, if the oil companies do decide to drill in ANWAR, when will they start? 1, 3, 5, 7 years? Or does everyone assume they will start right away?

Fourth, What assurances do we have that ANWAR oil will stay here in the US for our consumption and not shipped to Asian markets?

Before ANWAR gets my support, I would like the questions above answered. Also, I want to see it as part of a fully comprehensive energy plan that recognizes continued oil dependence in the short term with incentives for conservation and alternative energy for the long term. I do not want precious American oil going into gas guzzling SUV’s….

The reality is that high oil prices are here to stay. Simple free-market supply and demand dictate it. I contend there are no economic incentives for the oil companies to drill for more oil. Foreign supply is enough to meet our demands and the oil companies are making a profit. Why should they increase supply to lower prices which lowers profits?

What we really need is political leadership for a comprehensive energy policy. Not a piecemeal approach.

stedes
Best post I've ever seen here!

Self Help project
It is more than obvious that the Democrats are happy with the current state of gas/oil prices, and will willingly do nothing to reduce them. Their lies, as well as comments such as "we can't drill our way out of this" speak volumns regarding their intent.

Personally, I will not vote for anyone in the House or Senate who does not assure me that they will vote FOR drilling WHEREVER THERE IS OIL !

If you would also adopt this stance we could make a real difference. November is not that far away and all we need to do is tell friends, family, coworkers, neighbors, etc. and get the ball rolling -- I guarantee you the pols will listen if there is a concerted effort to deny them office.


What a bunch of suckers
Driessen: "This energy belongs to all Americans. It’s not the private property of environmental pressure groups, or of politicians who cater to them in exchange for re-election support. This energy is likewise the common heritage of mankind."

Wow! What a snake oil salesman! It's your oil, except we, the oil companies, get to keep all of the money. That's rich. The common heritage of mankind? Yeah, except for the people in future generations who will have nothing.

Don't you people see that the oil companies own the GOP and they are using their political operatives to brainwash you suckers into giving them more leases? They are sitting on oil reserves. They have tapped reserves and then they capped them. Make the oil companies start pumping the oil the already have on tap before we go giving away our mineral rights to the oil companies.

Other countries are able to produce 25% of their energy from wind and solar. Why can't we do that? We had electric car technology that worked (remember the EV1?) over twenty years ago? But the auto companies and the oil companies teamed up to crush the technology.

Wake up suckers. How much worse does the economy have to get before you people realize what a disaster Republican economic and energy policies are? Oh, and the three trillion dollar war in Iraq? Make sure you factor that cost into the price you pay at the pump. You and every member of your family have paid $10,000 for this war so that Exxon and Shell could get back into Iraq. That seem like a good deal to you?

Phylo out.

Stedes
I was with you all the way until you said:

"I do not want precious American oil going into gas guzzling SUV's".

How are SUVs any less useful or suitable than a truck - an SUV gets just as good mpg as does a truck and much better in many cases.

As far as 'you not wanting ..." - who died and made you boss????

Of course Phylo
There is not a Democrat in the nation that invests in oil, or plays oil futures. If you think that its just the GOP leaders that are the "men behind the curtain" that are in control of this whole oil mess, you're daft. So if that silly party line is all you have, live up to your sign-off handle Phylo... out.

stedes
You submit a well-written argument - and I agree we need a comprehensive energy policy, but there are some flaws in your logic:

stedes: "There is no guarantee that drilling in ANWAR will lower prices, especially if demand increases."

Primus54: Perhaps no guarantee of lower prices, but to follow this same logic, NOT drilling will raise prices if demand increases.


stedes: "Right now 85 million acres with thousands of licenses are open to the oil companies to drill. They are not drilling."

Primus54: This is a dubious statistic. The majority of the undeveloped leases are inaccessible by pipeline and/or are likely to be short-term wells which makes tapping them economically unfeasible. If barrel prices continue to rise, this might change. Remember, too, that these are leases that revert to the government after 10 years if not developed.


stedes: "Third, if the oil companies do decide to drill in ANWAR, when will they start? 1, 3, 5, 7 years?"

Primus54: Even if Congress were to allow drilling, you can expect there will be several lawsuits filed by the environmental lobby that will have to be decided - guaranteeing drilling wouldn't begin immediately. But the Alaska pipeline was built quickly after clearing legal hurdles.


stedes: "I contend there are no economic incentives for the oil companies to drill for more oil."

Primus54: This is probably your most flawed argument - if you believe demand will rise over time. Without more drilling and refining capacity, there are finite limits on supply - the bulk of which will not be controlled by US owned oil companies - and oil profits depend on high sales volumes. It doesn't take a genius to know that 8% of $100 billion is better than 10% of $50 billion (as an example).

Cheers.

Phylo claims:
"Other countries are able to produce 25% of their energy from wind and solar."
-----

And which countries do this, Phylo?

Care to link some proof of this claim?

Phylo is off his meds
I can't fill my gas tank with hot air and sunshine nor can tens of millions of other Americans and I don't know of any airlines or trucking companies that could slap sails on their planes and trucks and get to where they need to go.

You need to get some perspective genius. Just to power NYC alone would require a wind farm the size of CT. A solar farm would require nearly as much land. Wind and solar will never be more than supplemental sources of energy because they are simply not practical now or ever.

How long do you think it would take to a) find a suitable alternative to petroleum that meets the current needs of automobile drivers, truckers, airlines, and recreational vehicles? b) once that alternative is discovered how long will it take to develop new means of propulsion to consume the new alternative? c) how long would it take to replace each and every car, truck, and plane in the US alone? d) how long will it take to put in place the infrastructure required to replace gasoline? e) finally, how much will all this cost? Answer - decades and trillions of dollars. Eco-Marxists like to shout "we can't drill our way out of this". Well, yes in fact we can and it is the only viable answer. What we cannot do is "alternative" our way out.
If we can have half our navy destroyed at Pearl Harbor and then roar back in under five years to win WWII then we sure as heck can get oil out of the ground and into our gas tanks in less time. IF the eco-Marxists can be kept from dragging everyone in sight into court. It is the eco-Marxists who are responsible for the length of time it takes to produce energy in this country. From all sources.
If eco-friendly Norway can drill offshore without incident why can't we?

Part deux
It seems to me that the socialists(Dems) would support increased drilling for several reasons 1.) more jobs for their blue collar constituents who BTW out number their eco-Marxist puppet masters, 2.) royalties. The US Treasury would be overflowing with cash from royalty payments. This money could be used to develop the Dems prized "alternatives" and would be much friendlier to taxpayers than a direct tax, an indirect tax imposed via a tax on oil companies, or a stealth tax in the form of cap & trade.

Congressional Leadership?
Great article, makes the points most of the thinking people I know are boiling about right now. Called Sen Salazar's office asking for his position on drilling - particularly in ANWR. The staffer said no drilling in ANWR, it was a national treasure. I asked how drilling safely in a very small, confined area that no one visits could destroy such an area. The answer was they'd pass my comments on to the Senator.

I agree with an earlier poster. Any candidate that won't vote to allow drilling won't get my vote. It's not that I'm against alternative energy sources, but we're years away from their availability. Keep working on alternaatives, but allow us to get to the resources we have and know work right now.

Wind and Solar
Phylo claims:
"Other countries are able to produce 25% of their energy from wind and solar."

Even if true, so what? Maybe these countries aren't blessed with hundreds of years of coal as we are. And as I've stated before there isn't a car, truck, or plane in the country that can run on hot air and sunshine.

The only need for any alternative for the production of electricity in the short run is if you believe in man made global warming which, I don't. Although I do support nuclear power as the only currently viable long term alternative. Long term b/c eventually, long after I'm dead and gone, we will run out of coal.

As for automobiles there is NO non-carbon based alternative on th horizon that is an acceptable equivalent alternative to petroleum. A true "alternative" we can pursue is goal gasification to convert our vast coal reserves to fuel.

Phylo - feel free to get yourself a Flinstone car. You won't get very far very fast but you'll "feel" good about yourself. LOL!

ANWR
is a treasure? ANWR has become great propaganda for the eco-Marxists. How many people have actually been there? It isn't exactly a tourist mecca. ANWR is an inhospitable wasteland and GOP needs to go there, take some pictures of the place and start running ads on it. Dems are a bunch of morons who need to go back to their Wal-Mart jobs.

Coulter
pointed out recently that "airplanes that run on wood chips" is just around the corner. Now that's a good plane for Phylo...out.

DerKrieger
Well-said response to the "PhyloSeFizer".

What really exposes these hypocrites is their argument that more drilling won't help us TODAY - but their alternative energy policies are longterm solutions - which even THEY admit will take years to have an appreciable impact on anything.

It's like saying one shouldn't begin attending college because it doesn't translate into dollars on Day One - so why bother?

When you read such obviously flawed logic - it is easy to deduce that the continued flow of special interest campaign contributions from the Enviro-Nuts are first and foremost the overriding priority - not what's best for America.

oil haters
there seems to be such a hatred of oil companies and drilling.

here is the challenge. Live WITHOUT ANY products produced by or transported by a carbon based energy source.

As for me, drill now and drill often. If it affects the polar bear (mmmm tastes like chicken), we can shoot it and use it to feed the oil riggers.


stedes - supply and demand
Assuming there is no monetary inflation, the price of any commodity is determined by the ratio of supply vs demand. If demand increases relative to the available supply, the price will increase. If demand decreases relative to the available supply, the price will decrease. The only options to lower prices according to this model is to increase supply and/or decrease demand. As explained above, our entire economy is based on petroleum (from the plastic milk container in your fridge, to the asphalt roadway you drive on, the diesel fuel that runs the freight trains). How do we change our entire economy to lower demand to meet your expectations?

To further complicate the model, we have to introduce the concept of Congress printing more money thus devaluing the American dollar. If the oil producers see that each dollar buys less today that it did yesterday, those producers will simply charge more dollars to compensate for the loss in purchasing power. Who controls Congress and when did the oil really take off? Talk to your representative.

We are not drilling in ANWR because the greenies have the Democrats wrapped around their fingers and the Democrats obstruct any drilling anywhere in the US. It is not that the oil companies refuse to drill there, they are prevented.

I have read that, in the event they are allowed to drill, they could start pumping oil in 1-2 years (contrary to the lie that oil would not show up for 5 years). You ask, "...does everyone assume they will start right away?" How can we tell that unless we give them the OK?

As to #4, we could pass laws to the effect that oil from US lands stys in the US. But I would expect that the oil would pass to the highest bidder on the world market.

As far as you insistence that oil not be used in 'gas guzzling SUV's', sorry, if I but oil from I will use it as I see fit not as you see fit.

By design....?
Back in the day; and I am almost 60, there was talk about saving our oil and using up everyone else’s first. This in turn would put American oil in the driver’s seat. I have got to wonder now if this is in fact what is happening. If this is so then the capping of wells and no new drilling is by design!

Primus54
Thank you for your reply..

So I gather we are actually in agreement on a couple of points:

1. There is no guarentee that increasing domestic oil will reduce prices.

2. That if and when ANWAR is opened up, the oil companies will drill some time in the distant future if at all.

3. We agree there is a need for a comprehensive national energy startegy.

So from what I can surmise, there is no short term solution to the high oil prices.

In reply to some of your points:

"NOT drilling will raise prices if demand increases".

I am OK with high gas prices. Since this seems to be the only way to force alternative energy sources and conservation. Since most people here at TH do not support government intervention, then let free-markets do it.

Also, my "dubious statistics" are form The US energy information administration. There are some inetretsing facts about oil most people do not know. Like the US in 2000 was the second largest oil producer in the world. And we only import half our oil from foriegn sources, mostly Canada. 11% from the middle east.

http://www.lookoutmtn.com/Documents/Sources_of_United_State s_Oil_Supply.pdf

I think our discussion needs to be reframed from increasing domestic oil to a comprhensive energy plan.

Walt
You took me too literally. The point I was making is we need both conservation as well as increasing domestic oil supplies.

To pump oil from domestic land when we have not changed and reduced our consumption habits in my opinion is just a waste of oil. It is just gluttonous.

I used SUV's as an example, but you are right. All vehicles and homes and other sources need to use less energy.

The Democrates are not being smart. I think drilling in ANWAR will not help much, but it definetly will not hurt. So give the Reublicans ANWAR, but at a price. Increased Cafe standards and tax incentives for alternative energy.

PLENTY of OIL WITHIN 24 MOS
WE COULD HAVE PLENTY OF OIL WITHIN 24 MOS. & CAUSE A DROP IN GASOLINE PRICES IN A FEW MONTHS.

We have 800 Billion barrels of oil in shale that could be converted and put on the U.S. market within 2 years at $40 per bbl.

That is 3 times the amount of oil Saudia Arabia has. No time need be spent on discovery or drilling. We know where it is, we just have to dig it out.

In addition we have 400 years supply of coal, much of which could be converted and placed on the market also at $40 per bbl.

During WWII, the Germans had no crude oil so they converted coal to gasoline for all their needs. They did it using the Fischer Tropsch Process and were on line in less than 6 months.

I personally believe we should go to coal first as the conversion process is well known and proven.

In fact South Africa in response to an oil embargo switched to coal and converted it to fuel oil and is still doing it.

The Dems say that we can't drill our way out. We don't have to , We DIG our way out. We have unlimited quantities of shale oil and coal to mine and convert to gasoline.

Plus the gasoline can be on the market in 2 years.

Another plus is that oil prices will drop almost immediately.

Once the oil rich countries see what we are doing they will flood the market with oil to get as much money now while the price of oil is excessive.


DEMOCRATS & THE SOYLENT GREENS


.....America is the only country in the world that refuses to utilize its own natural resources ...why would a country pursue an energy policy that looks like national suicide? ...

.....Perhaps the answer is found in Democrat Party Goals ...the creation of a Socialist State! ...Democrats have been attacking Big Businees (Capitalism) for decades using class warfare to their advantage ...recent comments by prominent Democrats about taking over the oil companies have tipped their hand ...

.....Democrats want to strangle the U.S. economy through environmental laws and then Nationalize all businesses starting with health care ...to paraphrase Shakespeare:

....."Marxism by any other name still stinks as badly" .....COLOSSUS

Birdman II
"As far as you insistence that oil not be used in 'gas guzzling SUV's', sorry, if I but oil from I will use it as I see fit not as you see fit".

Burning oil is not a right. It is a privilage. And it effects the whole economy, national security and the environment.

How can you argue for increased domestic oil to lower prices when you claim the right to waste it? To keep demand high, which will in turn keep prices high.

This is inconsistent with your supply and demand argument.

But your statement does answer one of my questions, Why conservation is not consider part of the solution?

McCAIN SHOULD DO THE FOLLOWING :
McCain should go to Iraq and :

1) Claim the surge has worked and we'll win in Iraq if he's elected but lose if Obama is elected.

2) Have Malaki make a deal to sell 100% of Iraq's oil exclusively to the U.S. at $5 below market price for next ten years and we'll keep enough troops in Iraq to stabilize his government.

3) During those 10 years start converting coal and shale oil to oil and drill off shore.

McCain should also go to Alaska

4) and with the Republican female Alaskan Governor Paline view the desolation of ANWR

5) McCain then lets her "convince" him that States Rights should apply and that the people of Alaska should make the decision regarding drilling in ANWR

Well said
Gordon. Where I sit and teach abroad, gas is over $6 per gallon. Most people use public transportation. And that, my friends, is the goal of the "greens." But, as Orwell noted long ago, "some are more equal than others." Greens who want to rule, will doubtless need cars and airplanes to get around and oversee their fiefdoms, and take great pleasure in being the preservers of mankind.

TO THINK SOYLENT GREEN

.....Let's see ...I have a treasure buried in my back yard but I won't dig it up because I don't want to disturb the petunias .....COLOSSUS

Great Article Paul
Their are a lot of great comments about this article. A few really good points were brought up. I think we should drill for oil and n/g everywhere we can, mine for sand oil and shale oil everywhere, build nuclear power plants and come up with any alternative energy how every possible. I'm a prejudice S.O.B. because I'm a H/H contractor and I believe that the USA prospers as it builds. No matter what type of construction we do it effects every type of industry here at home. Energy is the life blood of our nation. I don't think we should cater to the big oil companies but I do think we should offer incentives. They want new leases prove to us that you are using preexistent leases and drawing to full capacity. I think we can figure out a sensible agreement for everyone. Oh one other thing no one has the right to tell me what type of vehicle I should drive. If I what to drive a 1968 VW bug or a 2008 Suburban that's my business and if you don't like it, tuff sh*t

Oil rise slam stocks
GM downgrade,oil rise slam stocks; worst may not be over

HOW BAD IS IT?

USATODAY-Investors who thought they’d seen the worst of 2008 are seeing reasons for hope vanish one by one.

The optimism that stocks had bottomed in March and would enjoy a second-half rally suffered a serious setback Thursday. Selling slammed the Dow Jones industrial average 358.41 points to 11,453.42, its lowest since September 2006, as fears about oil and the health of major U.S. companies intensified.

The day started out bad and never recovered following a report from Goldman Sachs advising its clients to sell General Motors (GM) and Citigroup (C), once the pre-eminent companies in their industries. GM stock hit its lowest level in decades, topping off a decline of 45% since the Dow set its old 2008 low in March.

But the real problem once again was oil, which soared $5.09 to a record $139.64 a barrel after OPEC’s president said prices could reach $170 by summer and Libya said it might reduce output.

“People are getting nervous,” says Todd Leone, trader at Cowen. “I’m not sure what gets us out of it. Maybe just time.”

read more

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/gm-downgrade-oil-r ise-slam-stocks-worst-may-not-be-over

A question for the environmentalist type
This nation currently runs on oil. As stated in the article, it would take enormous real estate, expense and time we don't have to incorporate wind and solar alternatives to meet immediate demand.

By not tapping domestic reserves, we put ourselves at the mercy, literally, of Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Kuwait, Venezuela and indirectly Russia, Iran and China. That is a terrible position to be in from a national security perspective.

Question: Is it better to risk our energy infrastructure and economy to our enemies or drill for oil domestically and eliminate the uncertainty?

And save the alternative drivel, conservation rhetoric and reduce demand obfuscation. This is what we face right now and the real choice we must make in the now timeframe to ensure the future "for the children."

Gordon
I don't hink our refineries are even up to very large increase in oil production, None have been built, you know, for quite some time. Some have been fixed up but not enough. So far it hasn't been profitable for oil comps to do it.

stedes
Nice try - but please put words in my mouth by "extrapolating" agreement between us where none may exist.

To wit, the following:

stedes: "1. There is no guarentee (sic) that increasing domestic oil will reduce prices."

Primus54: Flawed logic. If increasing supply does not reduce prices - it will be an anomaly not supported by history. Further, I CAN guarantee that NOT drilling will not reduce prices.


stedes: "2. That if and when ANWAR is opened up, the oil companies will drill some time in the distant future if at all."

Primus54: Wow. How did you get THAT out of my comments? Define "distant future". Recent testimony from US oil executives indicate a definite desire to tap ANWAR ASAP. Perhaps you've noticed Russia is drilling like crazy in the polar region?


stedes: "3. We agree there is a need for a comprehensive national energy startegy (sic)."

Primus54: We agree that there needs to be an overall strategy to deal with both short and long term energy needs - but I am not at all convinced government needs to run this effort. History has shown that government meddling has a very poor track record with energy policy. Indeed, the high prices we now pay can be directly attributable to governmental roadblocks over drilling, refining capacity and nuclear power.


I am one of those who believe that the simple act of announcing intentions to aggressively tap our own resources will have a positive impact on futures speculating.

But we'll never know if this has an immediate impact on prices if we don't give it a try.

Nice communist doctrine, stedes

"Burning oil is not a right. It is a privilage."

No it's not. Once a consumer buys it, it's his property to do with as he sees fit, including burning it in a 10 mpg SUV, or even in an open hole in the ground if he wants to throw his money away.

It's sure not up to YOU to tell other people what they can do with their property.


Reality sets in
The drill now, drill everywhere crowd has not to worry. There will be drilling in ANWR, drilling offshore, and oil shale production in the Rockies.

We have no choice. The global economy is dependent on oil, not just for growth, but to sustain the current level of commerce. The world's population has doubled in the past 50 years and the next 30 years could experience the same global population growth, especially in developing nations of Asia and Africa.
The stress on natural resources, already stretched, will become more and more critical in future years.

My fear is that the current backlash against an anvironmental movement that has grown out of control will result in policies which are out of control in relation to protecting environmental concerns, resulting in degredation that is irreversible.

Both parties are to blame. Democrats prolong the moratorium on oil shale production, and Bush counters with repealing the tax credit for renewable energy.
Somewhere between the Monster Truck mentality and the Save the Sonoran Cactus Slug mentality ther's hopefully some reason.

stedes - Slippery Slope
In your response to Birdman - you attempt to define "rights" and "privileges".

I have been trying to not stereotype you as a liberal - but it is getting more difficult as I read more of your comments.

If Birdman or anyone else has the means to purchase legal goods or services - he has a "right" to do so. It is NOT a privilege.

It is your "right" to have an opinion about how he or I or anyone else chooses to manage our purchases - but neither you nor our government has a "right" to categorize your opinion as fact and therefore bestow a "privilege" upon us.

What if I thought "fat" people were drawing too much oxygen from the air to support unnecessary "body mass"? Should their use of this additional oxygen be classified as a "privilege"?

Be careful of those slippery slopes, stedes.

The open hole theory
>Once a consumer buys it, it's his property to do with as he sees fit, including burning it in a 10 mpg SUV, or even in an open hole in the ground if he wants to throw his money away.

It's sure not up to YOU to tell other people what they can do with their property.<

And that consumer has no place complaining about $4 a gallon gas, since their gluttonous consumption habits are directly related to the price.

Is that right, Pancho?

They lose the right of free speech and expression?

You another communist like Stedes?


They can complain all they want. Everyone has the right to be as stupid as they wish.


Where did I say that?
>They lose the right of free speech and expression?<

Can you read or do you just like using the word communist?

Primus54
Sorry I misinterpreted you. I stand corrected.

"If increasing supply does not reduce prices - it will be an anomaly not supported by history. Further, I CAN guarantee that NOT drilling will not reduce prices.

I have no argument that increased supply reduces prices. My point is, what is the economic incentive for the oil companies to reduce prices? Why would they do that? Out of charity? Especially when there is no shortage of supply.

From What I can see there is plenty of supply. All the gas I want to burn is here as long as I am willing to pay the price. There are no lines to buy gas.

OPEC keeps supply low to keep prices high. Why would the oil companies be any different?

Also, high prices reduces demand and stimulates alternatives and conservation. Since you do not agree with government intervention to do this, then high prices is the way to go.


STEDES

.....I love conservation ...the more others conserve ...the more there is for me to consume ...use it or lose it .....COLOSSUS

Oil
I live in CA and they have shot down every thing. The CA coastline is a treasure, we can't do this...etc. I called Boxer's office. The person on the phone was telling me about suing OPEC. That's the ticket. Anyway, I got nothing. I also got cut off.

I am not saying if we drill that there any guarantees, but can we do something. I am getting tired of hearing what we can't do and how it won't amount to anything.

How many names you got, Pancho?

You doing a Robert?

You wrote they have "no place complaining". Okay, we'll quibble over a word.

They can "complain" all they want, because everyone has the right to be as stupid as they want.

I'll use you as Exhibit A.


Constitution
We need to abolish this congress, how do you go about doing that. I can't take much more of these liberals, socialists, communists sitting in our government. We sure don't need OVomit as leader of this nation.

Corn is for eating, oil is considered a treasure in the bible, let's drill our own treasure and eat what was meant to be eaten.

In Sharon Stones words, Do you think it's Karma that the Corn state was flooded? Duh! I think God is sending a message. We should listen.

Here's an analogy
Al Gore has no place complaining about energy conservation, since he uses like 20 times what the average Tennessean uses.

He has every right to complain, but does he have any credibility?

Pard, I got your point

And now that you put it that way, and civilly, I'll respond in like kind.

I actually agree with you. It's hypocrisy, of course.

But Stedes made the statement that "Burning oil is not a right. It is a privilage", which is patently absurd, my point being that people can do whatever they want, both with their property, and their "complaints".

People are allowed to be hypocrites. They're allowed to be stupid. Other people are also free to make evaluations of that person's worth based on their actions and statements, and treat them accordingly.

But it's not government's role to make those determinations.


A possible solution
We should let the liberals and environmentalists have what they want: High gas prices, public transportation only, forced to seek ethanol only sources to fuel their itty bitty cars and forced as well to receive the power for their homes strictly from wind or solar suppliers.

Then, the rest of us can not only enjoy our lives for a change, we can wallow in the Schadenfreude of the misery of theirs. A cold hearted thought perhaps but I do grow weary of others believing they have a better solution for how I should live.

Five stars! It is
PAST TIME for America to regain a position of leadership in the world! It is PAST TIME to rely on others - we need to regain the American CAN-DO spirit and JUST DO IT!

My Resoures
and yours are not being used because politicans say no. Now I don't know about you but I don't like it when someone who works for me tells me I can't use or have something that belongs to me. This country's resources belong to every single American and we have a right to expect to have the full use and access to every single one of them.

We're going to be knee deep if we don't tap all energy resoures now!!! It's late to start but not too late. call your congressman today!

drill drill
ANWR is going to take a LONG time to develop. Its not an easy place to drill. 40 degree winters and then the summer the tundra is melting turning into much that mires down those huge machines needed to drill. So there are a few billion gallons of oil there. Last year there was a discovery of billions of gallons hear Las Vegas. but the comment was don't get too excited, that is a two years supply as the US burns 20 millions barrels of oil per day. there are 45 gallons in one barrel.

According to the Interior Department's Mineral Management Service the "huge deposits of oil and gas on federal land have been closed off " to drilling, is fantasy. They go on to note that four-fifths of the oil thought to lie offshore in Alaska and Gulf of Mexico are already available for development, along with two-thirds of the oil reserves on federal lands,. Of the 90 million acres of public lands under lease to oil companies, about three-quarters—68 million acres—are not being explored to produce energy."

Chicaree, at Prudhoe Bay, drilling

started in 1977, and by 1979 the field was producing 1.5 million barrles/day.


Real problem is the value of the dollar
I think Vito is absolutely correct on this point - in fact I think he understates the problem. The total deficit of the US has gone from $6 trillion to $10 trillion in the seven plus years Bush has been in office. We are on the verge of bankruptcy as a country.

As a result of out of control spending and the resultant indebtedness the dollar has lost much of its value. The price of a barrel of oil is up about 50% in one year in terms of dollars. The price of oil is up about 10% in one year in terms of euros.

I will agree there are very many good reasons to increase the availability of oil in areas under our control - national security being foremost. But don't be decieved that increased domestic supply will do much to lower prices.

Spend a few minutes each day watching commodity prices on one of the financial networks and you can see the problem for yourself. The dollar goes down relative to other currencies, and the price of all commodities, including oil and gasoline, goes up.

Neither Obama or McCain will own up to this being the real problem. Fixing the dollar has consequences no politician likes to discuss. Obama would rather tax the profits of the oil companies, and McCain has now found it politically expedient to start talking up off shore drilling (but not ANWR). Increased taxes on the oil companies is not likely to increase supply or lower prices. Increased domestic production will cause OPEC to lower prodcution to offset the increased world supply.

The only real short term solution is to restore the value of the dollar.

stedes
Do you really, really believe that current gas prices are not having an effect on demand?

And you ask: "My point is, what is the economic incentive for the oil companies to reduce prices? Why would they do that?"

Your questions imply that U.S. oil companies are not in competition with each other.

Are you one of those people who is convinced the oil companies are in collusion? This despite countless investigations and hearings by Congress which has not produced a scintilla of evidence.

Your last paragraph pretty much sums up what I believe is your main issue - conservation over all other considerations.

In other words, you believe the "pain" is worth it.

I suspect the majority of Americans disagree with you - and November's election will go to the candidate that best convinces the electorate they are the person to bring gas price relief the quickest.


Excellent comment, johnh1

That's very true. Unfortunately, the falling value of the dollar is tied into the same political mindset that creates the domestic oil shortages in a country rich in deposits: the "free lunch" mentality of liberalism that leads to rampant spending on out-of-cotrol social and other governmental programs, and a war in which it's hard to see our national self-interest.


Unfortunately, Primus

There IS no candidate who stands for that relief.


Our oil, their loss!
Here in Texas, we have oil, natural gas, and coal. I think that any state that doesn't allow drilling should not receive any energy products from Texas. Just cut off places like Maine and Mass. Let a couple of years of walking to work and freezing during the winter help the liberals understand basic economics. At the same time, we in Texas could pay less for our gas by telling the Feds to take a hike and forget the artificially low pricing they mandate for interstate oil and gas shipments. If we have the oil and the refineries, we should pay less for the gas! Let the tree-huggers pay extra for whatever is left over. Just one Texan's opinion...

IT IS IMMORAL AND STUPID...
For the U.S. to be using up the energy reserves of the rest of the world when we have an abundance of energy right here! Not only oil, but oil shale, tar sands, geothermal and uranium, to say nothing of sunlight, wind, tides etc.

Have you seen those long lines at the gas pumps? Neither have I, there aren't any YET, BUT THE SPECULATORS ARE QUITE RIGHT! They are betting on the FUTURE price of crude oil if we don't wake up and they are betting that we won't wake up.

The truth is, the present high price of crude is a "bubble". All it will take to pop that bubble is the realization that the people of the U.S. are demanding action on ANWAR, offshore drilling and oil shale. When that announcement comes out, there will be a surge of SHORT SELLING of oil contracts as the speculators rush to cover their butts!

And that, my friends, is how the futures market works.

DRILL NOW, DRILL HERE, DRILL ANWAR, PAY LESS!


CommonMan:
I have to agree, its a good idea. Let those who don't want to obtain energy do without.

Of course, then you would have to build a wall to keep the leftists from trying to move in to Texas.... And since they never learn, as soon as they got there, they would try to vote in the same stupid policies.

Stedes, What about oil for the future ?
Not a good argument. Several companies are now working on methods of GROWING oil using alge and sewage plant effluent. It is very promising and appears to be economical but its not ready yet to replace petroleum from existing sources.

Your worries are simply unfounded.

stedes - not a right - a privilage.

stedes: "Burning oil is not a right. It is a privilage. And it effects the whole economy, national security and the environment."

Who says so? Is that a law someplace? I buy milk and rice; I have the right to make rice pudding if I want. If you don't like rice pudding, keep your paws out of mine.

I buy gasoline; I have the right to store for a year or use it immediately - however I see fit. if you don't like it keep your paws off my gas can.

That is entire concept of free market. I buy it, I own it; And I can do with it as I please.

stedes: "This is inconsistent with your supply and demand argument."

In what way am I being inconsistent? Supply and demand runs the free market. Supply and demand sets the price. Have you ever gone to an antique auction? The reason an antique is so expensive is because each item is so rare and people want that item. You have a bidding war and the high bid gets the prize. It is the same way with oil.

stedes: "But your statement does answer one of my questions, Why conservation is not consider part of the solution?"

Did you contact your representative to find out why Congress keeps printing money with no backing?

UNDERCURRENT OF AGENDA
Why do the JPF (jackass party folk) keep spouting that illogical nonsense such as, we cannot drill our way out of this problem, ethanol is good, conserve up the ying yang, more alternative energies now, nationalize, we can't win in the Middle East, ask yourself why are they advocating all this negativity, are they afraid of free enterprise, still?

I have a good idea why, victimhood is the best thing that they can hope for, their day is coming to a close and the JPF's ideaology will make it so. The best thing they can do is make sure they keep anything and everthing in a state of turmoil and stand directly in front of any kind of solution that works.

I advocate that those who advocate socialistic fixes for these problems brought on by their obstruction, put their money where their mouth is. They can start by saying they are outright socialist, then make a public disclosure of their own and their family's holdings and wealth, if they are elected and holing office it is even more necessary they do this. If elected then I would say to be objective and "fair"(libs favorite word) they take a pay cut and a relinquish much of their perks and a good deal of their voted for grand retirement plans. Just think of how much respect they would gain and how the taxpayers and voting public would respect them, they would be on par with free enterprise, the working man, the commoner. You can see that show of objectiveness would benefit all, a win, win situation....eh folks?

Imported oil
I fully concur with Mr Driessen. One fact that is usually omitted from almost all comment on this subject is that we (US) get the majority of our oil from---and the magic nation is***** CANADA! We do not have to drill much to ween ourselves from the much despised Middle Eastern countries. The maggots, by percentage, provide only a small part of the equation.

Eco-Nazis
How do we identify these groups who are working against our national interests.
We need to list them, distribute those lists, and enjoin them with lawsuits to foil them; as they do to foil our needs and lower our standard of living.

Obama on how to succeed in America

Obama's Top Ten Rules to Live by

10) Comprehensive means the absence of opposition to Democrats.

9) Compassion without coercion is useless.

8) Never ask when you can use the government to take.

7) If a government program fails, repeat.

6) A liberal without guilt is no liberal at all.

5) Global Warming yields more cash than pointing a gun.

4) Moral choice is a complex personal issue that is better defined by focus groups.

3) To each according to his ability to work the system.

2) Only fools say what they really believe.

1) Never cross Michelle Obama.

Stedes, not drilling?
Actually, there is quite a lot of drilling going on but not nearly what there should be.

you say: " Right now 85 million acres with thousands of licenses are open to the oil companies to drill. They are not drilling. "

After you get the lease, you still need a "permit" to punch a hole in it!

Do you have ANY IDEA how difficult the greenies and the EPA have made it to drill a hole in property you have already leased for that very purpose?

There are also many leases on oil shale property but the congress has declared a "moritorium" on oil shale development.

Land of the FREE and HOME of the BRAVE?

More like land of the DO-GOODER BUSY BODY and home of the lawyer parasites.

CHRISTIE BRINKLEY'S SWIMMING POOL
Sizable petroleum soundintgs have been reported at drillable depth beneath Christie Brinkley's swimming pool in the Hamptons.

DRILL - DRILL - DRILL

I'd love to drill in Christie Brinkley's swimming pool. When I'm done she'll be voting Republican.

Johnh1, You are absolutely right
"Real problem is the value of the dollar
I think Vito is absolutely correct on this point - in fact I think he understates the problem. "

And, one of the major factors in the declining value of the dollar is the tremendous out-flow of dollars to buy foreign oil plus the price of gasoline is having a negative impact on the economy which affects the value of the dollar and round and round we go.

Algore's Oil $ scam!!!!
Right along with his 27 THOUSAND sq. ft. house that uses enough energy per MONTH to power 232 homes (!!) he has a buttload of cash coming in from Daddy Gore (the late RACIST from TN) thanks to the elder Gore's investment in Occidental Petroleum. When he PUBLICLY DONATES all the money from that stock to fund "alternative" (pie in the sky Rube Goldberg failure) energy sources then MAYBE we will let up on him.... about 0.01%, the same percentage of land in ANWR that needs to be drilled.

-Ray
NRA Life Member

Too bad we don't have any goods on Gore!
Otherwise we might see him in a Federal prison where he'll have REAL reason to oppose drilling!

-Ray
NRA Life Member

wally - the declining dollar

wally: "And, one of the major factors in the declining value of the dollar is the tremendous out-flow of dollars to buy foreign oil plus the price of gasoline is having a negative impact on the economy which affects the value of the dollar and round and round we go."

Care to explain you reasoning? How does spending money cause the money value to decline? That is like saying gold loses it value when we spend it.

Drill here,Drill now.Drill AMWR
Couldn't have said it better myself Mr Dreissen

I sent a copy to my congressmen, I urge you to do the same.
go to //forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtm


Taft
"...isn't is smart to save a little oil for future generations, when we could learn to better stewards of the earth..."

1) Despite what most people think, it has not been proven that oil is a finite resource produced by the decomposition of dinosaurs and primal forests. In fact, there is compelling and mounting evidence that this is not the case. Just google "abiotic oil theory."

2) I have no doubt that, eventually, we will develop alternative technologies and fuels that will supplant, or greatly reduce, the need for oil. It is a mistake to predict the future without taking into account the possibility that factors will come into play then that we are completely unable to imagine now. For example, as Michael Crichton has written, people in the 19th century may have wondered how future generations would deal with the problem of too many horses on the roads, as the human population increased. In fact, as another commenter pointed out, we may soon have an almost unlimited supply of oil produced by the bacterial decomposition of biomass. Check out http://www.bellbioenergy.com and http://www.ls9.com. This could solve the problem right there and make all the current debate moot, but only time will tell.

"The biggest wand our president could wave, and make a very big impact on prices right away, is to talk with Iran and allay the fears of the stock market that war is around the corner."

Straight out of the Carter/Obama playbook. Maybe you haven't noticed, but Ahmadinejad is the one who has been developing nuclear weapons and vowing to destroy Israel. The recent Israeli military exercise was a clear message to the Iranians; it is not always necessary to talk in order to communicate. If the Iranians didn't get the message, it is doubtful that talking to them will make any difference -- although I'm sure there is communication going on behind the scenes, anyway.




Leadership
A President with gonads would declare a national emergency and order ANWR and the other areas with oil reserves open for production. At the same time he would mandate a steady decline in petroleum imports down to 50% of current levels. Congress would sputter and the courts would issue rulings. Neither branch has enforcement authority but the President does. He would also have the overwhelming support of the American people who are tired of being held hostage by a bunch desert-dwelling Barbarians.

Birdman
"Care to explain you reasoning? How does spending money cause the money value to decline? That is like saying gold loses it value when we spend it."

I'm no economist, but it stands to reason that the more money you print, the less it's worth. If not, then heck, let's just print more dollars so we can afford all the oil we need. It's not spending the dollars that makes the value decrease, it's printing more dollars than we should.

Marinero

I've been saying that all morning. But Wally wasn't talking about printing worthless money, he was talking about "the tremendous out-flow of dollars to buy foreign oil" that has a negative effect here at home.

That was why I wanted him to explain his reasoning. If I misunderstood him then maybe we are the same page.

Question
The Dems are refuting the need to drill by arguing that the oil companies are greedy, coniving, creeps putting the screws to Americans. They claim the oil companies could drill now IF they really wanted to but they don't because they want to keep the price of oil going up. Then, they say that drilling in America wouldn't reduce the price of oil.

Am I the only one seeing a contradiction here????

Steve

You're expecting intellectual honesty and consistency from liberals?


Another question
The Dems claim that the oil companies have millions of acres leased where they could drill now but choose not to because they just want to keep the price of oil high. Then I find out that only 5% of federal lands are available for oil exploration. The unanswered question is: Is there sufficient oil on the leased acreage to justify exploration or is this a Democrat canard?

It appears to me that the places where oil is most plentiful are still off-limits. True or false? I heard several Dems say that there is a 17 year supply of oil on the leased lands. Is that just another canard? Do the Dems expect oil companies to drill all over the millions of acres covering them with oil rigs to pruduce the oil when the oil companies could produce more oil, at less expense by drilling in the 2000 acres in ANWAR and a few small areas in Wyoming and Colorado?


What's wrong with LNG?
Somebody smart answer this for me: Why aren't we converting our vehicles to LNG now? We have a virtually unlimited supply if we drill. There has never been a spill. It's 100% clean burning. It would be easy to retrofit gas pumps and cars. Cars could travel the same range they do now (unlike electric which only goes about 80 miles on a charge). We know it works because many municipal vehicles already run on LNG including police cars, buses and trucks.

Are there better alternatives out there that can be done now?

Drill here - Drill now-
Oil leases from private owners can drill, and start pumping oil or gas within 6 to 12 months. Same leases on public (federal or state) lands will be tied up in townhall meetings, environmental impact statements, lawsuit after lawsuit and company will be lucky to drill or pump in less than 10years. Consider all the photos you have seen of oil rigs, starting in Drake, Pa where oil was oozing out of the ground, and all the towns, counties and states across this country. Where is the destroyed landscape after the rigs were dismantled, pumps taken away, tanks and roads removed? Do any of you know? I grew up seeing gas and oil rigs on farms in Ohio, that have all been capped. Took out shallow oil and gas. But gas and oil exists in layers like rock, coal, diamonds, etc. depending on material covered all those millions of years ago. Equipment now will drill 5 to 8 miles deep, and extract from many basins from one drill site by slant drilling. ALSO NOTE: Liberals-Democrats-Progressives always say we only have certain percentage of world's KNOWN reserve. They won't allow exploration, so that figure is fixed in their minds. Wind-solar-hydrogen-alternate-biofuels- have not advanced very fast or in quantity, so if we cannot drill out of problem NOW, when and how will we solve it. I have only seen one solution (car 100mpg) come out of NREL. Beginning Engineering students in nearby Boulder (Univ. of CO) could have produced that at less expense, and probably more efficient model. First 60-80 miles from battery that was charged overnight by plugging into wall. No figures on cost or carbon footprint for that. Just which of the next decades will we get more efficient tranporation, and can we afford it?

Those attitudes are immoral and...
These environmentalists also support abortion rights; in essence, they hate humanity (except themselves, of course).

Paul
People like you don't want to solve the "Energy Problem",they only want to use it to promote their own pathetic agendas.Speculators add 30% to each price increase.However,before the "Lynching" begins, one must be mindful of the fact, that these same "Speculators" are managing pension funds and other profitable instruments,which will eventually produce retirement income for most Americans.This economic scenario goes deeper but I can't discuss real economics,due to so few people understanding the subject.But,I can review the Dynamics,as a way of facilitating the process.

Hey Killer - I love that name!
Hows my favorite Russian Economist?
Killer, I'm a little confused. You seem to be down on speculators. Wasn't it the fault of the Big Bad Oil Companies last week?
I guess I'm also confused about how speculation works. For instance. What happens to the speculator who speculates that oil will be selling for lets say a $145.00 per barrel next month. And lets say, Saudi Arabia opens up production and the price drops to lets say $90.00 per barrel. Explain to me how that speculator stays in business. Try not to BS me with the 30% crap please. Just explain exactly what happens when a speculator looses a lot of money? Were talking American Dollars not Rubles!

Why do we want energy ?
This is a great article it spells out the real facts. Environmentalist and Democrats do not want "MORE" energy, they want conservation and reduce industrialization (CODE FOR LESS HIGH PAYING JOBS). The extreme fringes of them actually admit they want to reduce world "POPULATION" because they think humans over populate the planet to the detriment of other species.

Well just one more time for the fun of it; let us look at the "FACTS". If you take every human on earth: Asians, Indians, Africans, Europeans,South Americans, and in fact every human on earth as we speak and place them in the state of Texas; You will not reach the population density of New York City.

Yes Texas is big but the global human population in relation to land mass is very small. What say you ZERO growth people?

Hey Lock, This one's for you
George Carlin:
CARLIN: I'm tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is there aren't enough bicycle paths, people trying to make the world safe for their Volvos. There is nothing wrong with the planet. Nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The people are (bleep) -- difference, difference. The planet is fine. Compared to the people, the planet is doing great. It's been here four and a half billion years. Did you ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here four and a half billion years. We've only been engaged in heavy industry for a little more than 200 years.

New Parody
my blog. Drill: a Soliloquy! (from Carousel)

Sandrob, I'll do you one better
http://www.jibjab.com/view/122257

Of all of Georg Carlins routines, I love that one most of all so the link below takes you to a video clip of him doing that.

I'm just sad that none of the libs here will be able to comprehend his point, "THE PLANET IS FINE."

ExxonMobil

Drill all you want, it won't change the price of gasoline. It's not the demand in the US that is making the difference, it's the China, India, Russia economies that are growing and expanding and using petroleum products.

As for refineries: from a CNN report of Congressional testimony, "J. Stephen Simon, senior vice president of ExxonMobil told lawmakers.....Simon maintained that new refineries are not necessary and that the oil industry has expanded capacity at existing facilities "commensurate with demand."






Soaring Oil Prices
There are lawsuits filed by trucking companies against some oil companies for fixing prices but that doesn't help the average citizen enough to stop the loss of jobs because they can't afford to put gas in their cars. Also, there's less traffic on the road which means that the Justice Department will be laying off traffic officers in time because there'll be fewer tickets and fines;and people who have outside sales jobs will be looking for scarce inside sales jobs for less money; and crime will rise as well as people feel desperate because of the high cost of food, housing, and gas. Vacations will be unaffordable and people will end up in the backyard bar-b-queing hot dogs rather than steaks if we vote the wrong person into office. Our leaders must seriously put people to work by building refineries in America and if Congress doesn't put a halt to oil companies forcing Americans into poverty through investigations that don't excuse the good old boys from devastating the lives of Americans because they outsourced our jobs and sold us out to China and Saudi Arabia for greed then I think we'd better hang on to our hats!

Which direction?
I remember when I was growing up in a small town in Ohio, the town fathers wanted to control growth - you were either growing larger or smaller. Their attempt to control resulted in smaller. The U.S. either will control it's own destiny and drill or sit by and be controlled by other interests like the rogue oil producing nations. It's not just price but also national security at stake here. It will not take 10 years to produce if oil is drilled near other infrastructure. Get smart, drill and at the same time, develop new energy sources to wean us off of oil - mix of nuclear power systems and hydrogen fueled autos etc. The dems will take us into a deep depression at the rate they are going - not going?

Drill ANWR now
Paul:

I agree whole-heartedly, but I have one nagging question on answersing the Dem's charge that the oil companies already have 68 million acres of land that they could be drilling oin now, but aren't: Why aren't they drilling on this land? Is it because it's too chancey, while ANWR & other areas are nearly guaranteed strikes?


Hey Rose
The only law suit that should be considered right now is against Al Gore. His movie and his book are established lies about Global Warming and Climate Change. Maybe if enough people take up the mantra "Sue Al Gore" then something might happen. Suing Al Gore or any Big Environmentalist would be the equivalent of a modern day Scopes Trial. Let the Environmentalist prove their theories. There are 31,000 scientist that will testify against them, out of which 9,000 are PhDs.
http://www.petitionproject.org/
Lets have a legal showdown!

Hey Bob in AR
Check out this blog. I would try and explain but why try and re-invent the wheel. Lots of good answers to liberal talking points.

http://stem.blogtownhall.com/

Transportation Bill
Why did the Republicans block a part of the transportation bill, as reported in the Washington Post, that would require the oil co's to drill on the land presently leased?
And also, why didn't the Bakken Oil field that was found in ND in Jan bring down the cost of oil?
I find these subjects troubling in relation to the current thread of this discussion.

The Killing Floor
I don't care How Much oil We Have, and how many Refineries we build, Gas is $4. a gallon, and it will stay $4. a gallon. The oil companies have wanted to get European Pricing on gas, and they will Continue to Cry and Moan, all the way to the Bank. They have Nailed an Artificial FLOOR, under the $4. price of gas. Supply and demand cannot control the price of something EVERYONE has to have!! Every oil shortage in history has been Engineered by the Oil Companies "Powers That Be" and has been shoved down our throats, and Elsewhere, by Greedy Co. Execs. Anybody remember the SUGAR SHORTAGE that caused a 5 cent candy bar to cost .25? Where has it gone from there? There is an artificial FLOOR, nailed under the $4. mark, and, it will NEVER go down. I don't care,if the center of the Earth is discovered to be Sweet Crude, there will be some Plausible [or not] explanation WHY the Price will never go down. I've got to hand it to Gay Al Gore, He's the only non-oil exec. getting RICHER, because of the gullibility of the average Citizen!! I wonder how much OIL STOCK is in His Portfolio? Speaking of Created shortages, it started [this time] with "Katrina" and Never went away. Anyone remember the Great Toilet Paper Shortage, created by a TV Talk Show Host, during the Sugar Shortage, with the offhand remark, "What's next, a toilet paper shortage? and The Coffee Shortage caused by a FREEZE in Brazil??

Hey Marine's Dad
Thanks
Absolutely Great!

I'm going to repost it in case someone misses your post.

George Carlin
http://www.jibjab.com/view/122257
Regarding the environment and Environmentalist. Carlin says it better that I ever could.

ANWR & Clinton
Bill Clinton couldn't (and can't) spell "Wilderness Society." The only bowing he did was the to the $16,000,000 the Saudis paid into his library.

It's in keeping with his "Everything's on sale sign" on the White House lawn.

Bernie Rivas

Dolly - as you must know
by now, there are many of us in the commonwealth who do NOT vote for Ted Kennedy or John Kerry or any of the other liberals...but it really is a moot venture - we are sadly outnumbered by those with their hands out! TK and JK know that filling those mailboxes with checks from the government (ooops! that means you and me, taxpayers!!!)will keep the ignorant masses in the right party. I believe it is high time for a true REVOLUTION - let the Silent Majority SPEAK!!! I try, but don't even receive an acknowlegement of my correspondence from these "fine" congressional representatives of mine. I am afraid what happens here also happens across the country. Washington has a FEVER, Al Gore, not the earth! I do believe many may have good intentions when they enter the world of politics but become tainted very quickly upon entering the DC world. What's in it for me is the name of the game. That is NOT what I want from my senators or congressmen - I want what is best for AMERICA!

We MUST begin to DRILL NOW and REGAIN our place as the LEADER of the world!!! We may have shipped our jobs overseas, but perhaps becoming independent of foreign oil would be the first step in asserting our position as the GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!!!

Two points:
1) Democrats DO benefit from the profits of oil companies, just as Republicans & Independents - why? because most every union or state or company pension plan is highly invested in these proven winners. You want them to go under??? Bye Bye pension $$$

2) It will be SOOOOO wonderful to have President Bush out of the White House so the Democrats will no longer hold the entire country hostage because of their Bush Derangement Syndrome! It is sad that politics has taken precedence over what is best for our country all because someone thinks Al Gore really won in 2000. That was 8 years ago, for heaven's sake. I wish the Democrats in Congress would grow up and put the best interests of our country and every citizen ahead of their anger! There is an old saying, "no use crying over spilt milk" - it applies to the 2000 election and I sure as heck wish the Democrats would GET OVER IT! They are NOT serving the American public by acting so childish.


What's up!!!
I have read 118 posts.Yeah!Ihave no life.There must be somsthing in it for the LIBS and DEMS to ignore whats happening in the USA.There must be something that we US citizens are over looking.Maybe once OBACH-A-RAMA is crowned Prince of the new nation of ISLAM everything will become clear.Maybe it's time to learn a second language,after Spanich.I'm just saying,maybe we'll be happy to be riding in a two wheeled cart with a Mini-Cooper body bolted on to keep out the Radio-active fallout.I'm just kidding,lighten up...

Oil Drilling or Gorilla Killing?
For all those reading this BLOG who decry drilling in ANWAR for new oil reserves on the basis of protecting the wildlife and environment, let me recommend you watch a National Geographic Special this week on the killing of mountain gorillas in the Congo.

A corrupt gang of national park officials apparently murdered six mountain gorillas recently, out of a total population of less than fifty, as a diversion to distract from their real objective of pilfering hard wood from the reserve to bootleg charcoal, a highly prized commodity in the Congo area.

No I raise this issue for you “do-gooders” to inform you there are causes in this world that truly could use the attention you seem to be able to bring to the issue of drilling for oil in ANWAR, but based on the majority opinion of Americans, including native Alaskans the drilling proposition isn’t one of them. So pleeeeeze do the rest of us a favor and put your angst into a subject more deserving than oil drilling in ANWAR!

Enrergy road blocks
Thanks Paul Drieson for an excellent, informative article. Leftists always counter with "it will take ten years to get oil into the pipeline if we start drilling tomorrow". Some of our least astute readers might think this would be because oil companies are slow. However most of us know the problem would be because the megabucks lawyers and their partners in crime in the senate and house and the "save the mosquitoes" non profit organizations have cagely crafted our legal world in a manner to enrich themselves by sueing the oil companies, stopping their drilling because some mosquitoes might get hurt.

While all of this is slowly dragging through the courts, and the rest of us are watching oil prices creep to six dollars, to eight, to ten and beyond we're seeing people lose their jobs. We're seeing companies go down the drain. we're seeing communities dying on the vine. But, the Democrats finally won! They will show the public that the oil companies couldn't handle the problem. VIVA PILOUSI !


Check my math please
If there are 15.6 billion barrels of oil in ANWR and a barrel holds 42 gallons. There are 655,200,000,000 gallons of oil. At a production rate of 15 billion gallons annually, that would give us a little over 43.5 years of oil. Right? And only 23 gallons of those 42 gallons of that oil can be refined to make gasoline.
Yes drilling in ANWR gets us some oil and a little relief, but the problem is not oil production. Its our greedy dependence on it. Give us more more more, so we can spend spend spend and who cares if the air we breathe is thick, who care if there is poor water quality. Human health concerns far outwiegh what our greedy dependance on oil does to various wildlife. Oh well...

Bush
Why don't Bush lift the ban on off shore drilling
and Amwr.
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