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Saturday, December 22, 2007
Paul Driessen :: Townhall.com Columnist
May You Freeze in the Dark
by Paul Driessen
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Tucked away in the mountains of western Romania, Rosia Montana has been a mining town for 2000 years. From Roman times, extracting gold and other metals from these rocks has been a dirty, dangerous business, and life there has never been easy. Safety, health and environmental considerations were rarely priorities, and decades of operations under Communist regimes left mountains of rubble that still leach toxic chemicals into streams.

When the Ceaucescu government collapsed, state-run mines like Rosia’s limped along, posting huge losses and continuing to ignore their environmental impacts. In 2006, most were finally shut down. Thousands of workers lost their jobs, villages were plunged into poverty, and families were reduced to surviving on pitiful welfare payments, scavenging for mushrooms and berries in the forests, and breaking up abandoned concrete facilities with hammers, to recover and sell their steel reinforcing rods.

Few families own a car. Indoor plumbing is almost unknown. Snowstorms make unpaved roads treacherous, and malnutrition and ill health are common.

Seeing an opportunity to make money by being socially responsible, Toronto-based Gabriel Resources proposed to reopen the mines, under modern Western standards and practices. In the process, it would create thousands of direct and secondary jobs in the village and surrounding areas, clean up the horrific environmental legacy, build modern homes and a museum, protect and restore ancient churches, and inject US$2.5 billion into the Romanian economy. The region would also get improved roads, wireless internet service, safe running water, modern schools and clinics, and dozens of new businesses – all of which would remain long after the mines finally close for good.

Almost immediately, the global anti-mining movement rose up in self-righteous indignation to oppose the project. Financed by George Soros’s Open Society Foundation, San Francisco insurance magnate Richard Goldman’s family foundation and others, the activists set up a local front group known as Alburnus Maior, brought in organizers and agitators from Belgium and Switzerland, recruited watermelon celebrities like Vanessa Redgrave (green on the outside; red on the inside), and launched an intense campaign of lies and vilification to stop the project and keep the area impoverished.

In the perverse tradition of Orwell’s 1984, their noxious campaign was presented to and reported by the media as vital to ensure environmental protection and corporate ethics, transparency and accountability.

As winter 2007 set in and the Holiday Season approached, the agitators’ efforts appeared to be paying off.

Romanian Environment Minister Atilla Korodi suspended further evaluation of the Rosia Montana environmental study. A local court annulled the urban planning certificate that the county council had granted. And Romania’s parliament was considering a bill that would outlaw the use of cyanide for processing ore – despite the modern closed-loop system Gabriel has developed, and an EU decision specifically allowing cyanide as a preferred alternative to toxic acids once used in gold mining.

Villagers, legal analysts and corporate representatives insist that these actions have no basis in fact or law. But for now the project is on hold. Hundreds of workers have been laid off. Thousands of others realize their own prospects for employment are fading.

The Soros-Goldman Brigade is filled with holiday cheer. It’s just sent Season’s Greetings to some of the poorest people in all of Europe: May you freeze in the dark.

“They are laughing in our faces, while we are crying. They are happy for our sorrow,” Marinela Bar said bitterly. “The so-called ecologists care only about themselves, not about the local community, Calin Cioara added. “They only mock people.”

“We have no words to express our disappointment. The company was our only chance for development. We are hopeless now,” Daniel Pacurar said softly, echoing the despondency that has crept into the valley, despite Gabriel’s determination to continue seeking the needed permits and move forward.

“We’ll spend the holidays together at the community center,” Miorita Botariu said. “We’ll sing carols and laugh together, maybe for the last time. With the project, we could have been a happy, united community. Now we will lose our friends, our neighbors, our relatives, because everyone will try to live a better life – somewhere else.”

Rosia Montanans are tough, resolute and used to hardship. But this Christmas seems different. “We will prepare for the holidays in sadness, because of what will happen after the holidays,” Augustin and Georgeta Cioara said, staring out their window. “We don’t know what we will do.”

“The cold is killing us,” Mircea Silaghi shivered. “There is no public transportation. Our wood stoves barely keep us from freezing. We are living only a little better than in the Middle Ages.”

Sometimes the snow gets so deep, and the roads so impassable, Tamira Danciu says, “that you cannot go anywhere. When the wind blows hard, the electricity goes down.” The anti-mining activists often say “Rosia Montana is beautiful, like in fairy tales. It might be for people who just visit for a few days, and then go back to civilization,” she continued. But they don’t visit the polluted mine sites, they don’t use water from the polluted streams, they don’t have to endure the deprivation and bitter winters.

“Right now we have about 1000 lei ($400) a month for ourselves and four children,” Sorinela Croitoru said softly. “But what will we do for Easter? By then the jobs will be gone, the money will be gone. We are desperate.”

The villagers are in this terrible situation “because of the Hungarians and our Romanian leaders,” Mrs. Botariu said angrily. “They took everything away from us. They took away our hope.”

Soros, Korodi and Romanian senator Peter Eckstein-Kovacs (co-author of the no-cyanide bill) are all Hungarian by ethnicity and apparently by allegiance. A busload of anti-project Hungarian activists told villagers last summer that they view this Romanian section of Transylvania as part of Hungary.

Those attitudes appear to be driving much of their opposition: if they cannot rule it their way, if Gabriel went to Romanian leaders for permits, if the mining revenues flow to Bucharest instead of to Budapest (or George Soros), they would rather see the region broken and destitute, than let the project proceed.

No matter how they spin it, the opposition is clearly not motivated by concerns about ethics, the environment or people.

Others blame themselves, for not battling furiously enough against these unscrupulous, well-funded eco-imperialists. “We didn’t fight hard enough to keep this project here,” suggested Dr. Andrei Jurca, the village’s dentist (and physician). He feels it is intolerable for Rosia Montana to remain “under the thumb” of a minister who is becoming “an environmental dictator.” When the government held public debates in Bucharest to discuss the project, he noted, the villagers “were not even allowed to speak.”

The local people – the true stakeholders, the ones who need jobs and will be most affected by any decisions – were not allowed to speak. That is incredible, outrageous, at odds with the most fundamental tenets of democracy, ethics, environmental justice, transparency and accountability.

“This project is the area’s only chance for development,” Ilie Botariu emphasized. “The Alburnus Maior people helped us with a big nothing. They didn’t offer jobs and didn’t provide any benefits. And when they are done protesting against this investment, they will pack their bags and leave, to fight another project. That is all they do.”

Added Sebastian Hanesh: “We cannot wish them anything but the holiday ‘happiness’ they have given us. Today we are miners. Tomorrow we will be mushroom pickers, because of Alburnus and Soros. The members of parliament should resign, because they do not represent us and don’t fight for our rights.”

It’s time for the European Union, United Nations, national parliaments, US Congress, state legislatures and courts to rein in these irresponsible excesses – to insure that these currently unaccountable nonprofit multinational activist corporations are held to the same standards of honesty, decency, transparency and accountability that they demand of for-profit corporations.

It’s time that true civil rights groups and social responsibility advocates insist they do so.

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Paul Driessen is senior policy adviser for the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT), which is sponsoring the All Pain No Gain petition against global-warming hype. He also is a senior policy adviser to the Congress of Racial Equality and author of Eco-Imperialism: Green Power - Black Death.

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Let them eat cake
“The cold is killing us,” Mircea Silaghi shivered. “There is no public transportation. Our wood stoves barely keep us from freezing. We are living only a little better than in the Middle Ages.”

Sometimes the snow gets so deep, and the roads so impassable, Tamira Danciu says, “that you cannot go anywhere. When the wind blows hard, the electricity goes down.”

The anti-mining activists often say “Rosia Montana is beautiful, like in fairy tales.
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The people rose up against Marie-Antoinette and
"French revolutionaries thought even less of her than we do today and she was guillotined to death in 1793 for the crime of treason."

Perfect answer for the global warming liars and "ecological" nut cases who are causing the prices of utility and fuel to soar.
With their ideology trumping basic common sense in hundreds of such cases.

Ecoimperialists
Denying the the use of chemicals to kill mosquito's, DDT.

"My friend's four-year-old child hasn't been able to walk for months because of malaria," Ugandan farmer and businesswoman Fiona "Fifi" Kobusingye says softly. "She crawls around on the floor. Her eyes bulge out like a chameleon, her hair is dried up, and her stomach is all swollen because the parasites have taken over her liver. Her family doesn't have the money to help her, and neither does the Ugandan government. All they can do is take care of her the best they can, and wait for her to die."
http://www.eco-imperialism.com/content/article.php3?id=37


A blight on humanity...
George Soros! When or can someone put a stop to the atrocities this billionaire causes, supports and permeates.

the thing is about eating cake ts
Is that many of those that are forced to eat the cake that globalwarmist would serve is that they(those eating the cake) have little to do with installing the policies that make the cake in the first place.

So my guess is that like in many issues that bring missery to the world it will take the inititive of the average American with the help of heroic leadership to set things right again.

liberals hate prosperity
These disgusting liberals want to ration everything--energy, food, space--even water. That is their whole game.

They claim to have the inside track on weather and incurable diseases, and that is totally pathetic.


Thompson o8
"Liberalism is a persistent vegitative state."

--Fred Thompson

Speaking of weather
Hundreds of scientists reject global warming
Basing policy on carbon dioxide levels 'potentially disastrous economic folly'

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59319
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Politicizing Global warming is pure bs.
"A new U.S. Senate report documents hundreds of prominent scientists – experts in dozens of fields of study worldwide – who say global warming and cooling is a cycle of nature and cannot legitimately be connected to man's activities."

We can no longer just think these people are dumb who stand in the way of all common sense.
They are evil

It is nothing less than a hostile takeover of every facet of our lives and control all peoples of all nations.

This sort of report makes me want to bring back the guillotine
quote:

The Soros-Goldman Brigade is filled with holiday cheer. It’s just sent Season’s Greetings to some of the poorest people in all of Europe: May you freeze in the dark.

“They are laughing in our faces, while we are crying. They are happy for our sorrow,” Marinela Bar said bitterly. “The so-called ecologists care only about themselves, not about the local community, Calin Cioara added. “They only mock people.”

Thompson o8
"Liberalism is a persistent vegetative state."

--Fred Thompson

"The problem with education is the NEA."


Soros is an old die hard
communist who makes his money via currency speculation. He has probably bought the government in Romania and Hungary. That is the only reason I can see for them opposing this operation.

There is little that the U.S. government can do in this case other than investigate Soros for bribary of a foreign government. That in itself is illegal. The French have already convicted him of illegal dealings there and he is getting by on appeals.

Vic
Credit where credit is due. If the French have convicted Soros of illegal dealings, they are doing something right. Romania is a poster child for the logical results of following the priorities of the enviro-whackos to their conclusion. Industry creates prosperity. Pollution is not necessarily a result. The trick is maximize industry, jobs and prosperity, while minimizing adverse consequences. It doesn't help to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

History repeats itself
talent scout writes: "It is nothing less than a hostile takeover of every facet of our lives and control all peoples of all nations."

Of course. What is a tried and proven method of obtaining tyrannical powers without violence? Frighten the people enough and they'll give them to you willingly: you just promise to save them.

Grumpy
Your tried and true method certainly worked for Hitler. And its a truism that communism failed to gain total control in prosperous countries, while taking over in poor ones. Promises only work when reality is unbearable and only hopeis left. Communism will not gain power in this country so long as the status quo is contented prosperity. This is what makes the demagogues and victim-mongers dangerous. Where people feel discontent, instead of lucky to be born in the greatest country in the world, they can be influenced by Pied Pipers peddling free lunches.

The January 2008 Playboy
Has an interesting article starting on p. 41; "How The West Was Ruined" by Jonathan Raban. In it, Raban relates how the writings of John Muir, the founder of the Sierra Club, have caused "eco-tourists" to become obsessed with the idea that mountains, etc., are "majestic" and "pristine", and that any incursion by man is inherently evil. This is illustrated by him with examples of typical "eco-activist" reactions to mining towns in the American West, where they view living small towns as blights on the "pristine" landscape, and ghost towns as places to be venerated, on the grounds that those were the places where the planet (Holy Mother Gaia) won, and humans lost.

Soros & Co.'s actions in Romania are just another example. Like the bumper sticker that became popular in the Pacific Northwest during the "Timber Wars" of the last two decades says, "Are You An Environmentalist, Or Do You Actually Work For A Living?"

Of course, with movies like "I Am Legend" at the box-office, and books like "The World Without Us" going to the tops of best-seller lists with the Brie-eating, cappucino-drinking, self-absorbed "Friends Of The Earth" demographic, it's pretty obvious that what I call "Nihilism Chic" is going mainstream with "The People Who Matter". It's only a matter of time before they decide that they can enjoy "communing with Holy Mother Gaia" so much more if they don't have to share their Mother/Planet/Goddess with the rest of us grubby bipeds.

Except for the ones they spare to do the scut-work that they, being the nobility, don't want to soil their delicate, lily-white hand with, that is.

Like spreading "night soil" in the rice paddies.

By hand.

Merry Christmas, fellow bipeds.


cheers,

eon

More fraud
I just watched a commercial advocating that people join the fight "against" globull warming. What really p*ssed me off was not the fact that an ad was shown covering something that I believe is a fraud and a scam, but that this ad was sponsored by the EPA with my tax money.

This ad urged everyone to go to energystar.com to see what they could do to help fight. What a crock of sh*t. We need to eliminate the EPA as it's usefulness was loing ago eclipsed. While the scientific community is increasing throwing the flag on the fraudulent evidence of the AGW crowd, the U.S. government is increasingly getting into it. This is typical of Washington politicians.

opress them
G.Soros, Goldmans are have been underminding freedom arround the world for years. Goldmans greed has been exposed, I dought the SEC will take action for short selling junk paper accross the globe. They are part of the bankers elite, along with the Fed, Buffet, Soros, Gates.
The more they control, the faster we are enslaved. For the sake of all free men, it is time to tell the truth of these groups in a way, they cant hide. It will take much effort, or become a slave to there thinking. Like Hilliary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JD's Handsome Son
Bush has always supported the AGW crowd, he just didn't agree with Kyoto because it did not include China and India.

Pushing Ethanol
The drive for the use of ethanol now makes more sense to me. This drive is simply a back door effort to drive up the price of food and cause the death by starvation of the less desirable on the planet. I also have the feeling that the Leftnuts know there will be no cure for AIDs (we have not beaten a virus yet) ao pushing funding for AIDs research diverts money from research that may actually help mankind.

Not that you can argue with the view that humans are a scourge on the planet and that fewer of us would be a good thing. Seeing the nightly rundown on the Spears sisters is enough to convince me of the rectitude of involuntary sterilizations.

Long term it may not be a problem as it seems the Western world, while obsessed with sex, is not interested in procreation. The only group that appears to be making a lot of babies is the Muslims. It may be the Muslims penchant for suicide bombibgs is what draws them support from the Leftnuts. Anyone willing to end it voluntarily is OK with them.

Vic
I agree. I have seen few people question Bush and his energy policies. I believe $3/gallon gasoline is a direct result of 7 years of Bush. BTW, a few years ago when the Senate was 4 votes from approving drilling in ANWR, where was Bush? Did he hold the Senate open all night to try to get the 4 votes? And in this case I thought the eastern European countries were our allies. This may be small potatoes but Bush could stand up to Soros here and do what is right.

eldon
While it is true that Bush didn't provide a lot of support for drilling in ANWR he did advocate it. That part of the 2005 energy bill was defeated by the Lamocrats and the RINOs.

If I am not mistaken, there were 14 or 15 Republicans like Olympia Snow who joined forces with the Lames to defeat it. The RINOs in the Senate are responsible for that defeat.

I don't blame Bush for everything, but he is deserving of scorn in a lot of liberal things.

Without reading the previous posts...
because I don't want to be influenced by someone else's opinion at this point, I want to say that this is typical liberalism. They are dictators when it comes to their agendas. If they are ever given the upper hand in our own country, we will soon suffer the same fate as the miners in Rosia Montana. They would love to see the whole world(themselves excluded, mind you) revert back to the Middle Ages. This would create the fairy-tale land they so much want to establish on earth.

It's too bad that the people of the transylvania area have politicians just like ours (self-interested leeches easily bought off by rich special interest groups) or they may have been able to look forward to a new and prosperous year. It is sad and tragic. WAKE UP PEOPLE! The George Soros's of this world are the same people who won't allow us to drill for oil in the wastelands of the Arctic because it's a "Fairy Tale Land." The same people who lobbied and won banning the manufacture of so-called "muscle cars" in America. Now is the time to act. Vote Conservative before the Liberals lead us down the rosy path to their version of a terrestial fairy land, Middle-Ages Utopia. Gunny

In a humane, right-thinking world,
the eco-nazis would have offered an effort to at least clean-up the water supply and encourage investment in infrastructure and jobs as an alternative to Gabriel Resources' proposals.

Their failure to provide other productive options shows their true nature and objectives.

Soros is also--------
A member of the CFR. So what black reason does Soros have to undermine the commerce of Rosia Montana? Does he want it for himself or is he a worse whack job than most think? There must be a "better" reason than merely for the environment. For him, money is the trump of all cards.

Peace on Earth and Good Will Toward Men!
Merry Christmas, everyone! I'm new to the Town Hall site...a site which should be relabeled "Vitriol Central". What a bunch of mean-spirited people! I'd venture that they beat their wives and children regularly and with zest. Persons concerned with the environment seem to be prime targets. The most scathing, vicious labels [Eco-Nazi, Left-Nut, etc.] are hurled at anyone who might have a different opinion [on their "good" days they employ the relatively kinder "Watermelon"...green on the outside but red in the center]. Anyway...Peace on Earth and Good Will to Men, y'all!

Sorry, Jim
But I doubt you have ever had to deal with enviros. You'd have to be spared that pleasure or be one to be able to defend this sort of thing. They are doing their level best to turn our country into the same kind of land. They file lawsuit after lawsuit to prevent coal powered electric generating plants or wind farms from being built, that is on top of trying to stop drilling, stop mining and on and on.
they force wheat farmers in southern Wyoming to protect mice instead of raise the wheat they bought the land for.
They finally forced the introduction of wolves in the ranch country of Wyoming and Idaho, plus those that existed in Montana, we were supposed to have 300, they are now fighting delisting a couple thousand, they feel 10,000 would be more suitable.
They are accountable to absolutely no one, they contribute absolutely nothing but harassment lawsuits. They beg for money from gullible people to "save the _____ fill in the blanks. But the money goes for lawsuits to force someone else to make the sacrifices to save whatever, none goes for the stated purpose.
Do a search for environmental lawsuits, you will be amazed what they sue for over and over and over.

Jim
Big difference in being concerned about environmental degradation and being anti-business. Protection of the environment is a good thing in as far as it benefits human existence. In the long run we are all dust and the planet is a cinder as the sun goes through it's death cycle. Man will be unable to stop our planets eventual destruction so what should be our responsiblity in the here and now?

Penalizing people alive now when methods of developement are available that can make their lives better and minimize environmental degradation is nonsensical. Where is the payoff for not allowing developement? Is it in the near future for the people left a near hand to mouth existence. Is it in the far future when our planet ceases to exist?

The payoff the Leftists seek is the shutdown of human industrial activity. They view humanity as a plague on the earth. No people is what would really make them happy. They hate themselves and if they had the courage of their convictions they would blow their brains out rather than attempt to make life miserable for the rest of us.

No Opposition Party
A very similar thing happened out west in the 90's. I wonder how many townhall readers supported "saving" Yellowstone park from mining, specifically from the New World project. Very few people know, however:
1) The proposed site is an abandoned adit (horizontal mine shaft) from the 20’s. As it sits now (saved) it is pumping toxic waste into Clark Fork. The New World project proposal would have stopped that pollution.
2) If the project had gone forward, it would not have been “the only mine near Yellowstone.” There is an gold mine in Jardine, Montana, just north of the Mammoth Hot Springs entrance to the park. This mine operates to the highest standards, and downstream is a blue ribbon trout stream.
3) Locals who were recruited into the opposition to the mine were not only not told the above, but were assured that the watermelon enviros were not looking to change the area. They got much support, including from snowmobile vendors. They thanked the snowmobilers by getting their machines banned from the park and thereby putting them out of business.
Does anyone see a political opportunity here for opponents of green fascism? Unfortunately, the Republican party doesn’t. Like on many other issues, there is no opposition.

Soros
The Soros wing of the eco-idiots represent the number 6 group that I posted on a few weeks back. These are the anarchist-communist radicals.

They are fruitcakes that show up at the G-8 conferences to break up pavement for rocks to throw and generally riot and create havoc. This last group really doesn’t believe in environmentalism but are included because they will support it and show up for the demonstrations. They support it because they recognize that it is harmful to the Western nations and because the protests give them another venue to riot and create havoc. They know that they will not be impacted by any laws passed in this area because they don’t work and don’t obey laws anyway.

Soros is actually not one of these eco-idiots. He is an active communist agent who has been seeking to subvert the West since his creation by the Soviets in the late 40s. He hasn’t yet got the message that Communism is dead.

Vic
Communism will not die as long as some believe that man can be perfected through the application of government power.

And with the new idiot "energy" bill
Americans will be lucky that they don't see gasoline at twice the price next year along with their heating, air conditioning, and electricity.

Making everyone change to flourescent light bulbs isn' the half of it.

Renny
Actully food prices will go up more than gasoline as they phase in the new ethanol mandates.

Question
Anybody see a tie in between these actions and the 2nd amendment? Some laugh, but is was put there to protect aginst a government gone amuk and I don't mean a foreign one. Just a question

The entire cost of living will rise
Worse, for the Dems. I hope, is that most people today have only known prosperity since the 1980s. There have been slight downturn glitches near the turns of decades, but mostly the stock market has sky rocketed, real estate has flourished (even including subprime nonsense), but no one remembera Carter's stagflation and chronic recession and big co. bankruptcies.

People think everything should be wonderful forever. This new energy bill will soon prove a huge damper on the economy. And the poor will suffer the most, because they spend a higher percentage of their incomes on food and energy directly.

Enviro-Nuts
And we are surprised at exactly what? This is standard leftist crap. It's all about jamming failed garbage ideology down a perfect strangers throat while using the "environment" as leverage.

These leftist millionaires made their trips to Romania in Lear jets and Gulfstreams to save the envoronment at a site already an environmental disaster. Once they saved the environment at this old mining site they flew back to their mansions while the poor folks in this area returned to their hovels with no hope. These leftist imbeciles even took that away from them. If anyone reading responses today has any thought that these left-over communists are good for folks you need your da**ed head examined.

Leftist ideologies have slaughtered somewhere between 90-150 million people in the twentieth century, what's a few thousand more to them? Hell, why not start the next millenium exactly the same way?

In this case the leftist enviro-nazis make it slow and painful. Starve them, freeze them, watch them die from disease and pollution, and as soon as hope appears on the horizon crush that hope into dust.

Yeah Jim, Merry bloody Christmas to you too!

Jim:
Either READ the articles (apparently slowly, so you can understand them), or please don't bother to return in the future.

In what way do the opponents (CLAIMING to be environmental activists) of a plan to regenerate the local economy and CLEAN UP THE SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENTAL DEGRADATION left over from the previous mining activities (operated with typical Communist efficiency) NOT deserve the scorn and opprobrium of anyone with an ounce of humanity in their soul?

Their activities described here only demonstrate- more concretly than usual- the true concern they have for their fellow man on this planet they seek to "save": non whatsoever.

Jim- Why don't you use the whole quote
Jim writes: Saturday, December, 22, 2007 8:29 AM
Peace on Earth and Good Will Toward Men!
**********************************************

Just wanted to mention... the entire CORRECT quote from the Angels at the birth of Christ was this:

"GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST,

And on earth peace

among men in whom he is well pleased."

(Luke 2:14)

Your quote, "peace on earth, good will to men," is from a Christmas Carol, not from scripture.

Just want to note that the true interpretation from Luke is that we first give Glory to God, and then, we get peace if God is well pleased with us.

It does not mean we should go around bestowing peace on men willy-nilly like a bunch of sappy nit wits.

Jim -one more thing
I guess you Environmental Nazi Marxists love Christmas because you get both the Red and the Green.

After all Green is the new Red.

The new compact lightbulbs
They can stick them where the sun don't shine-- the only place that they will shed any significant light.

Mountain Rose
Good name for a singing group, Willy Nilly and the Sappy Nit Wits. Say the three times fast.

Jim
The "regulars" here will tell you I don't comment much. Truthfully, I am usually too busy with working and family to do more than just skim the articles I am interested in. I can tell you that a vitriolic these comments might seem they are mild compared to the hate spewed out and tolerated here on a daily basis by those of a liberal bent. As to the enviro lobby, I have been personally subject to their hate and can tell you personally that the malevolence I felt was unmatched. (I felt like I was on the receiving end of Chuckie meets Predator.) It was also very clear that they considered me the most ignorant person in the world - the irony being I was the one with the environmental (forest management/surveying) education.

Yea there's some anger, but for many it's justified.

As Power becomes More Centralized
In the EU, local peasants will have to endure more and more of this. The more centralized the power, the easier it will be for the elites to manipulate the system over any objections posed by the locals. Yet another example of how socialism and concentrated power works inexoribly to the detriment of the common man.

Also noticeable
NONE of the eco-nuts ever mentions the fact that in socialist/communist-economy countries, the state of the environment is invariably the worst on the planet--and invariably, a common factor is that government there is the owner of forests, mines, ...

Read also John Stossel's "Commons Tragedy" articles.

svpallava
Excellent point and it should be noted the same is true in America with the government being a huge and largely unregulated polluter. Do as I say....

Soros is not an idealist
He is in it for the money like everyone else. He just preys on the gullible ideology of others. He doesn't have a "green" bone in his body, and you can see how "philanthropic" he is.

Like the author said here, follow the money. I will bet that if you follow the money trail, this mine was set up to be a significant competitor to these people and hurt their bottom line.

Stop whining about liberalism--though true the complaints may be--and start exercising the leadership behaviors that are needed take to turn back the red tide.

Freeze in the dark!
This looks like a classic land grab to me. Make the property worthless. Force the owners to move. Then, buy it up for a song. Ask Ted Turner about this. He has raised this strategy to an art form.

Is it just me....
....or has anyone else noticed that communism (and all its variations) is just a recreation of Fuedalism?

Under Fuedalism you had two classes of people, the ruling class (Kings, Lords etc. who owned and controlled everything) and the subservient class (the serfs, who could only do what the ruling class allowed).

The height of Fuedalism was the Middle Ages. Maybe that's why they long for recreating it.

Ethanol: My question, why corn????
With corn you only get 1.3/gallon, with sugar cane you get like 6 to 1, with sawgrass it is closer to 30 to 1, so why corn??? Everything associated with corn is going out of sight, WHY didn't we build sugar cane ethanol plants instead of corn???
There was an article in Nat. Geog. this summer that had the return on the gallons produced with other things we can grow, why go with the lowest producer???
AND burning coal for elec. does produce mercury fallout, UNLESS they can find a better way of burning it without letting the mercury fall, that is why there are large amounts of it in large fish.
I'm not an enviro nut either, I think most of them are wackos, I say drill in Anwar, WE don't see the caribou anyway, whose to see the "PRISTINE" that they are yelling about, sure we don't do it, we let other countries drill off our coasts, and bill us large $$ when we could do it ourselves.

mimimary
The reson for corn vs other things that are better is that it has NOTHING to do with the environment and everything to do with getting votes.

enviro-nuts
They arrived in San Diego, in winter, nice vacation spot, from all over the world, stayed and dined at the most expensive La Jolla hotel, got rid of the tuna fishing fleet, who were acused of netting some dolphins, the fleet left San Diego and went under the flag of African nations, no bothersome laws there, the fish canneries closed, and we now eat canned tuna from Asia, no bothersome hygiene laws there, and they got on their jets and went to the next crusade, which they miraculously acquired scientific knowledge of without having to go to school.
The spotted owl lived, they went, forest fires killed the spotted owl, fires in forests where trees could not be harvested, fire left scorched mountainsides, but thank God no one made dirty money from cutting down lovely trees.
The whole House of Representatives is out of office, 1/3 of the Senate,in the Nov '08 election. If we are stupid enough to rehire them, we deserve what we get. The President and Vice President offices are empty. There will be good people lost in a clean sweep, we will elect some bad, but the averages are on our side if we let the country know we will do this, now.











































very good people will run in primaries, they can go into office and clean out stagnant Offices of beurocrats, the State Dept, first, and we can monitor our new employees closely to know if they will get past the probationary period, two years. Sound like a good idea? Oh, yes, no one elected on who was his daddy, just his own resume.
Mati

Amen, Mountain Rose
I couldn't agree with you more. A lot of people don't understand that peace comes to believers...His elect...the rest of the people, get hell.

Some environmentalists sincerely want to do the right thing. Unfortunately, they see only parts of the whole through eyes brainwashed by socialists who'll use any means to their end. I use energy efficient bulbs in some areas in my house because I want to save money. When LED lights come, I'll use those. I also want a clean, nice environment. But a nice environment doesn't come from leaving "mother nature." to her own devices. It means man's intervention. Man turns desert into lush green landscapes. Flowers bloom more when man prunes them. Gardens grow when man removes weeds.

on ethanol
I don't buy the whole ethanol is to drive food prices up. When Honda turns grass clippings into ethanol, it will all be a moot point. Frankly, anything that takes power away from Chavez and the Middle East countries should be explored.

Have you considered, Jim
Have you considered that the "scathing, vicious labels of 'Eco-Nazi' and 'Left-Nut'" are far less "mean-spirited" than your accusations of beating "wives and children regularly and with zest." ?

Read your post again: according to you, calling someone an Eco-Nazi is worse than wife beating and child abuse.

The "with zest" part was a nice touch, though. I imagine you felt sublimely clever as you penned those felony accusations.

FREEZING IN THE DARK
It just about makes me want to stop whining about every little glitch.

It makes me thankful that this is, so far, a country of freedom.

Socialism, Communism, Democrats...
they're all the same especially if you put the name Hillarious or Al Bore into it. They would do the same thing, they look out for number one and nobody else. They don't care! If you want to see this nation go spiraling down, you would back all the liberal hollywierds and Klintons and gorebull warming.

The Romanian people need assistance, but Soros has no heart, nor does Redgrave, if they did with their money; Soros' billions, Redgrave's million's, they could help the whole community. Instead they buy what they want and to heck with the rest.

Grow a heart! Add another actor to my growing list of movies I'll never pay money to see!

Don't Get Snookered
A good rule for avoiding being snookered on matters involving environmental risks is to be automatically skeptical of articles that paint rosy pictures of corporations that just want to help underprivileged people, using advanced "green" processes that couldn't possibly hurt man or beast. Such a premise should send the reader running for Google to search for other accounts that provide a more balanced perspective. This one, for example, from the International Herald-Tribune:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/12/27/news/gold.php

It's also amusing to see how Driessen speaks in positive terms of Gabriel Resources' supposed desire to do something "socially responsible." Of course that's normally a term that is used derisively by free market true believers at townhall. Now, suddenly, since Gabriel Resources is doing something that Mr. Driessen wants to defend, the term becomes a compliment.

It is also interesting to see his guilt by association. The implication seems to be that if a project is criticized by the likes of Soros or Redgrave then it must be on the side of the angels. Kind of the reverse of all those conservative global warming articles that imply that if Al Gore and Hollywood liberals accept the weight of scientific evidence on the issue, then conservatives should discount that evidence.

More on Gabriel Mining company in Romani
Left out in this article is the fact that extracting gold still involves the use of arsenic which pollutes the countryside with deadly consequences.. Even the government of Romania opposed this project as well as the local residents. Plus there are old roman ruins that qualify for world heritage designation, and there are alternate plans for development of the area into a tourist site a clean industry by comparison. As with many opinion pieces this one is delighting in tearing into Vanessa Redgrave and Soros.

more interesting reading on the topic can be found here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosia_Montana

So the author stands correct
Those last two posts did not refute what the author said--not one whit.

Who is Being Snookered
The area around Risia Montana is heavily polluted due to past mining. The only thing that will get that area cleaned up is a massive investment driven by the prospect of large profits. I know the word profit is one that strikes terror into the hearts of many but without it Rosia Montana will remain poor and polluted.

Mining there would not use arsenic but a closed loop cyanide process currently used successfully elsewhere. The rules to be followed there for environmental protection will be the same as those anywhere else in Europe. A component of the negotiated agreement with the Romanian government was restoration of damage from previous mining operations.

The mining company wasn't going to do all this because they are nice people. They would do it because it is the path to making money. That apparently is the wrong motivation for some. Tourism won't clean up the current mess. The people of that region will end up with nothing.

Nah, Soros is great.
It's not that we dislike him for his altruism, transparency, or all the other benevolent qualities liberals ascribe to him:
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/3776

It's just that anyone with an internet connection can quickly research how he and so many of his buddies are tied to gold, minerals, and emerging markets. So the facade of his caring about the poow wittow peepew is just as nauseating to listen to as his face is to look at.

We''ll all be much colder
in the dark when the current energy bill goes into effect.

Greens who fly around promoting less energy use by the rest of us have now secured law to impose flourescent lights, ethanol additives in almost all gasolines, relying on "renewable" energy for the US--which uses all of less than 2% of "alternative" energy sources now and doesn't really look to be turning over oil and natural gas soon for wind and water power.

It keeps the Eastern and Western and Alaskan seaboard oil resources locked up to force even more overseas oil reliance, pushing hybrid cars with tax credits (somehting the rich can afford), and emphasizes conservation over developing shale oil in the West (more than all the oil in Saudi Arabia) or building more ports that can accept and store natural gas.

You'll be much colder and much more in the dark this time next year. Not exactly the situation in Romania, but caused by the same motivation.

Jim
Spend a little time here, and you'll notice a lot more vitriol on the Paul Driessen articles, as maybe you've noticed already. Happy trails!

TruLib hits it on the head
"The mining company wasn't going to do all this because they are nice people. They would do it because it is the path to making money. That apparently is the wrong motivation for some."

Exactly! From their point of view the result is irrelevant: only motivation counts. Killing a village to save a tree is just fine since you're trying to do a "good thing" and save a tree.

"Tourism won't clean up the current mess. The people of that region will end up with nothing." Hey, maybe they'll be lucky and get a casino? (sarcasm)

Anti-Human Paganism
Soros has to go. All these environmental extremists must go.

It is every descent human's mission to confront these earth worshiping pagans from destroying human life and prosperity where ever they exist.

We must defy them publically but we should harrass them privately. There is no reasoning with these perverts. Only severe punishment will have an impact on them.

Go after them and push the law to its legal limits. Punish the Algores of the world!

Have they morphed into watermelons?
Where Have All the Marxists Gone? by Jim Peron, at FEE.org --
http://www.fee.org/publications/the-freeman/article.asp?aid =4530

hoping for the best
I can only hope the American people see the light and begin to realize liberalism is dangerous to this country and to this planet.
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