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Saturday, November 03, 2007
Paul Driessen :: Townhall.com Columnist
Sick and deadly double standards
by Paul Driessen
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If “corporate social responsibility” is to be more than a brilliant strategy for compelling companies to follow the dictates of “progressive” pressure groups, it must apply defensible ethical principles to all organizations. That is not now the case.

The current system targets companies for pollution, carcinogens, endocrine disruptors, climate change and other transgressions. A host of activists, academics, journalists, lawyers, politicians, regulators, judges and Hollywood producers help ferret out wrongdoers – actual, alleged and fictitious.

Where the wrongs are real, and the ethical guidelines are valid, society is well served. That this is not always the case is well documented. But there is another, more serious problem with CSR.

Its guidelines are often malleable, politically motivated and applied only to for-profit corporations.

If an accident kills wildlife or people, the law and basic ethics require that punishment is meted out and restitution made. But when it comes to policies and programs that sicken and kill millions of parents and children a year, society and the CSR warriors are not just silent. They see little reason why government agencies or multinational activist corporations should be held to the same standards of ethics, honesty, transparency or accountability as for-profit companies.

There may be no better example than malaria, to illustrate why they should be.

More than 2 billion people worldwide are at risk of getting this disease, and 350-500 million contract it every year, mostly in Sub-Saharan Africa. Malaria kills up to a million African children annually, making it the continent’s biggest killer of children under age five.

In Uganda alone, a nation of 30 million people, 60 million cases of malaria caused 110,000 deaths in 2005. In its Apac District, a person is likely to be bitten 1,560 times a year by mosquitoes infected with malaria parasites. The disease also perpetuates poverty (sick people can’t work) and increases deaths from HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, diarrhea and malnutrition.

Controlling and eradicating this serial killer ought to be a global priority. But far too many organizations fail to take sufficient measures, while others actively oppose critically needed interventions.

UNICEF partners with Malaria No More to raise money from donors, distribute long-lasting insecticide-treted bednets and educational materials, provide anti-malarial drugs, and save lives. “Sometimes” they organize teams to spray insecticides on the inside walls of houses, to “kill the female mosquito after she feeds on a person” (and frequently infects him or her). Under “some special circumstances,” they support treating mosquito breeding sites, if the larvacides are “environmentally friendly.”

All these interventions will help reduce the disease and death tolls. They will garner plaudits from environmentalists and CSR activists. But there is no way such limited measures will result in No More Malaria. Unless and until they include outdoor spraying to control mosquitoes and DDT to keep them out of houses, they will not even come close to reducing malaria cases and deaths to what a moral person would deem tolerable levels: ie, close to zero.

Widespread distribution of insecticide-treated nets cut malaria deaths in half in Kenya, at least in the short run, when regular compliance was monitored. But that means 15,000 people are still dying each year. For Uganda, a 50% reduction via nets would mean 30,000 million cases and 55,000 deaths.

If the United States had Uganda’s malaria rates, we would have 600,000,000 cases and 1,100,000 deaths per year. Halving that would result in “only” 300,000,000 cases and 550,000 deaths annually. One would hope that not even Pesticide Action Network would deem that “acceptable.”

The US conducts aerial spraying on a regular basis – and uses Air Force tanker aircraft to spray insecticides after hurricanes – to prevent West Nile virus, which kills about 100 Americans a year. That’s one-third of what malaria kills in Uganda each day!

And yet misguided aid agencies, radical environmentalists and CSR activists are telling Africa that nets, “sometimes” use of limited insecticides, and at best a 50% reduction in malaria cases and deaths is something they should live with in perpetuity – because too many people in malaria-free countries are uncomfortable about using insecticides and DDT.

Equally unacceptable, 60% of African child malaria victims are still being “treated” with chloroquine, which no longer kills African plasmodium parasites. The typical justification is that chloroquine is much less expensive than Artemisia-based combination therapies (ACT drugs) that actually work.

In other words, medical malpractitioners are saying it is better to give millions of children cheap drugs that don’t work, and let thousands of them die – than it is to give fewer children more expensive drugs that do work, and ensure that they live. By failing to support chemical mosquito killers and repellants, they are also guaranteeing tens of millions of needless malaria cases every year, continued shortfalls of effective medicines, and countless unnecessary deaths.

That is unforgivable, unconscionable and immoral.

To achieve moral levels of malaria, countries need comprehensive, integrated programs that include every weapon in the arsenal. None is appropriate in all places, at all times. But all must be available, so that they can be employed at the proper time and place. That is why the U.S. Agency for International Development, President’s Malaria Initiative and World Health Organization declared that these chemical weapons are vital in the war on malaria, and safe for people and the environment.

Larvacides, insecticides and DDT – in conjunction with nets and other interventions – can reduce the number of malaria victims dramatically, and ensure that people who still get malaria can be treated with ACT drugs like Coartem. These truly integrated strategies have enabled South Africa, Botswana, Swaziland and Zanzibar to largely eradicate malaria.

Uganda, where I just spent a week on an anti-malaria mission, is using larvacides, insecticides, nets and other interventions. It has sprayed 95% of households in Kabale District (with Icon) – and slashed the prevalence of malaria parasites in residents from 30% before spraying to 3% afterward.

Three other districts have also been sprayed, and Uganda’s Ministry of Health plans to spray another 15 highly endemic areas in 2008, including the Apac District. In January, it will add DDT to its program, for indoor residual spraying that are expected to keep at least 70% of mosquitoes from entering homes for up to six or eight months, with a single spraying.

Radical environmentalists are trying to stir up opposition to DDT and other spraying programs, but the country is adamant about ending the needless slaughter of its children and parents. President Yoweri Museveni, Director General of Health Services Sam Zaramba and other leaders know DDT has worked in Africa, Bolivia and other regions – and will save many lives in Uganda.

Anti-pesticide activists claim insecticide spraying is not sustainable. What are not sustainable are nothing-but-nets programs that require constant monitoring to ensure daily use and moderate success – while raising the risk that mosquitoes will become resistant to pyrethroid pesticides that impregnate the nets. What are truly not sustainable are unconscionable malaria death tolls that result from PC policies that can best be described as lethal experimentation on African children.

That is why we need the same ethical and accountability guidelines for everyone.

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Paul Driessen is senior policy adviser for the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT), which is sponsoring the All Pain No Gain petition against global-warming hype. He also is a senior policy adviser to the Congress of Racial Equality and author of Eco-Imperialism: Green Power - Black Death.

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Rabid environmentalism reveals itself
The so-called environmentalists are revealing their hatred of mankind. They won't be happy until mankind is wiped from the face of the earth.
I, as a human being, believe that mankind is a far superior creation than the mosquito and we should all rejoice in the utter and total destruction of these disease laden insects. I also wonder if there may be a bit of racism involved in the ineffectual malaria policies deployed in Africa.

Juke
Check my blog for an update on LOST and how we're being back-doored by UN environs AND the Jorge Bush Admin.

I agree, the UN and liberals are indeed racists. The UN treats Africans like poor stepchildren, giving handouts not hand-ups, just like the Dhimmicrats do to welfarites.

NIMBY
This is the same reason Toronto has a Quiet Epidemic of cooties and bedbugs. We have a socialist mayor who is anti-pesticide, and pro-street-people, both guaranteed to breed disease,most especially the kind of disease that spreads by bugs. The shelters are cootie friendly and even the best hotels have bedbugs; every so often we have a story in the paper about an entire family who was infested at a large hotel and took these charming critters home in their luggage as a Lovely Parting Gift.

You can bet the Mayor has neither bedbugs nor cooties at his house; however, he believes it is better for the proletariat to suffer from these than for us to spray against them. Of course, he also believes we should be crammed into streetcars with four times the number of people the things were designed for, while he zips around town in his limousine; and he believes we should be crammed into four hundred square foot apartments in high rises with views of nothing but other high rises, while he lives in a McMansion.

The hippydips who believe that disease and death are *sustainable* for Africans because they do not have to see them or suffer their consequences are actually no different from our socialist mayor and his myrmidion.

Its after all NIMBY.

AudiR10
HOLY COW!

That is nasty.

Someone should do a "snatch and grab" on Comrade Mayor and tie him to a bed chock full of lice, crabs, bedbugs, ticks, etc.

Sweets to the sweet! haha.

Rachael Carson
I'm curious what Rachael Carson would think of the death and misery caused by the movement she started. Environmental goons have applied an ancient latin idea to the concept brought forth in Silent Spring. Reductio Absurdum

Juke
Off the subject, but a sincere desire for info. Are you confident in the spelling of the Latin phrase you used? I thought it was Reducto Absurdium, but i am not at all certain. My logic courses were a long long time ago, and my memory is no more inviolate than the average bear's.
As for Rachel, she is just another liberal on the pile of well-intentioned, mis-informed, fuzzy thought doom-sayers, who have been hoist by the petard of unintended consequences.

Who will EVER PAY for the
genocide of Africa?

Savage99
I'm not at all certain of the spelling but the concept remains the same.
I'm tickled that there are others out there who have actually studied logic. It seems that the study of logic has been discarded in favor of diversity and Marxism. I dread the thought of turning the world over to a generation which has no training in logic.

Well, now
Why should we? The US has tossed trillions of dollars in aid to africa over the last decade or so. It gets taken by tinpot dictators and warlords. Sorry but enough is enough. Let them deal with their own messes that they make.

Better still, let's ship the UN OUT of the USA and resettle them in, say, N'Djamena Chad where they can do good things...without us paying for it.

GunnyG
Good post! I have to agree that until Africans get sick and tired of being sick and tired, they will continue to suffer from despots. I do believe, however, that what aid given should be effective and not just a band-aid solution. With the natural resources that Africa has, it should enjoy prosperity and a booming economy but for the tribalism and corrupt governments. The same can be said of Mexico.

The obvious fix
is to authorize a regimen of spraying for a predetermined period of time -- ten years, whatever. At the end of that period results are assessed. If the desired results are met, stop spraying and allow the environmental level of DDT to drop naturally -- studies indicated that *at least half* of the DDT is gone within three years. And when you read the linked article, remember that the DDT levels described resulted from many years of MASSIVE DDT use in the U.S., far more DDT than a decade-long spray campaign in Africa would produce.
http://www.epa.gov/history/topics/ddt/03.htm

What results might we expect from a decade-long campaign including large-scale use of DDT? Well, it appears that malaria cases in the U.S. decreased from around 63,000 in 1945 to a little over 2,000 in 1950 to only 522 in 1955, according to the linked article (independent comfirmation desirable).
http://www.stanford.edu/~moore/Malaria.html

I submit that, based on existing scientific studies, no amount of ecological harm *reasonably to be expected* from ten years of widespread DDT use (even massive DDT use, for that matter) would counterbalance the enormous saving in human life to be expected.

Why hasn't it been done? Because ideology is worth more to Western 'greens' than the lives of black babies.

Juke
Complacency is the problem with the younger generation. They just don't think about oncoming problems because they have been sheltered by years of relative peace and prosperity. A course in logic was core curriculum at U of F when i went there in the 50's. Now? Who knows?

GunnyG
Correct. Our efforts to deal with the worsening morass in 3rd world countries are so inept as to only enrich the despots. Having said this, i sheepishly admit one of the charities i support is IEF, which distributes vitamins and medicine in areas of Africa where malnutrition and river blindness creat misery. From all accounts, IEF deals directly in medical aid to indigents, not money to govt. If there is anything Ron Paul is proposing right, it is get our troops and money off foreign soil, except where quid pro quo and/or national interest is the case. It especially irks me to think we are supporting UN dictates in places like Cyprus and Bosnia where we have no dog in the fight.

Juke
You nailed it with that last sentence. I've read and heard that Mexico is run by four families. Now, in my ind, it would behoove those four families to create a better, more prosperous nation, and thus, make more money. Africa is a history lesson. Just a matter of time before a total collapse. We could throw zillions at it and it would still happen.

Savage99
We donate to several charities as well, through the Catholic Church, i.e., Rice Bowl for Asia, etc.

But the Asians seems more of the "hand-up" type vice the "hand-out" types in Africa. Look at Somalia in the 90's. We try to help and all of them want peace, with their tribe in power.

"you can lead a horse to water..." rings very true in Africa.

To GunnyG
Mexico's policy is that if they can only export more poverty than they import, all will be well. Thus Mexico encourages her poor to illegally enter America, while permitting only people of means to enter her own borders.

To GunnyG
"Why should we? The US has tossed trillions of dollars in aid to africa over the last decade or so."

True. And since the Democrat-controlled Congress will undoubtedly continue sending aid to Africa lest someone play the race card, wouldn't it be better to spend the money on something that *works*?

Besides, frankly I'd like to see African kids *not* dying of malaria. We can't fix all the problems of Africa, let alone the world. But I think working on this one is worthwhile.

GunnyG
All of Latin America's capital goods are in the hands of oligarchies. Status quo is the mantra. They fear that opening the gates to merit and expansion wouod dilute and threaten their position on top of the pile. Even the dictators, like Chavez, kow tow to the money and expertise, cash in, and get out. Castro was an exception and serves as a horrible example. He put Cuba back in the stone age, and has left no legacy of either money or power and probably none in ideology. The confidence and vision of our Founding fathers that by making the pie bigger all, including themselves would benefit, is not shared by the power elite south of the border.
Change of subject. Good stuff on your blog site. Don't see where some of you guys get the energy.

Tallil2long
Don't get me wrong, helping them is definately worthwhile. I disagree with the libs premise of throwing money at a problem with no oversight or follow-up.

Any and all aid should be conditional. Get it together or forget it.

To Gunny
"I disagree with the libs premise of throwing money at a problem with no oversight or follow-up."

Agreed.

Savage99
Good clarification on that issue. I can't see how to rectify their thinking. To me, if everyone is prosperous and happy, then it's all good.

"A man with a full stomach does not take to the streets in anger." Arab proverb.

To GunnyG
The English colonists in America were generally far better fed than their compatriots in England, yet they rebelled.
Further, many of the very people who loathe and despise America are among those best fed and supported by it.

The proverb is wise, but certainly not perfect.

Tallil2long
What that proverb means is that people doing well, living well, being properous, enjoying a good life, do not rebel.

Reduced to the absurd
Juke and Savage. I found this and thought you'd be interested. This is something Rush uses all the time and with great glee.
Enjoy

Taproot

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Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share This
re·duc·ti·o ad ab·sur·dum /r?'d?kti?o? 'æd æb's?rd?m, -'z?r-, -?i?o?/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ri-duhk-tee-oh ad ab-sur-duhm, -zur-, -shee-oh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun Logic. a reduction to an absurdity; the refutation of a proposition by demonstrating the inevitably absurd conclusion to which it would logically lead.


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[Origin: 1735–45; < L reductio ad absurdum]
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American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This re·duc·ti·o ad ab·sur·dum (ri-duk'te-o ad ?b-sûr'd?m, -zûr'-, -she-o) Pronunciation Key
n. pl. re·duc·ti·o·nes ad absurdum (-o'nez, -nas)
Disproof of a proposition by showing that it leads to absurd or untenable conclusions.


[Medieval Latin reductio ad absurdum : Latin reductio, a bringing back, reduction + Latin ad, to + Latin absurdum, absurdity, from neuter of absurdus, absurd.]


reductio ad absurdum

1741, from L., lit. "reduction to the absurd."

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Taproot
Thank you for the clarification! El Rushbo uses it to great effect.

This is just another example of the
outcome when you listen to the eco-idiots. The fabricate an argument based on "phony science" get the idiot media to support them and a pack of lying weasel Lamocrats jump on the wagon. Soon you have worldwide laws that cause untold harm. The lying weasels will NEVER admit they were wrong and the laws stay on the books.

What really surprises me is that these countries just don't tell the U.N. and the U.S. to pack sand and start doling out the DDT anyway. I'm sure China will make some for them just like they did the Freon 12 when the U.S. outlawed it for the phony Ozone hole scam.

The latest scam is AGW and the lying weasels are working long and hard to get in the required tax increases and carbon allocation games. After we go into the cooling cycle the silence will deafen you but the taxes and laws will stay.

Love Tom Clancy
In one of his books, and I don;t recall the title, rabid environmentalists attempt to slaughter most of the human race with a version of the Eboli virus. At the end, the core group of these environmentalists were dropped off in the middle of the Amazon jungle, left there naked and without food or any modern conveniences and told to "live like you preach."

Now that's what I call poetic justice.


Here is another example of
the eco-idiots in full idiot mode in Atlanta.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/2007/10/31/e nvirowater_1101_web.html

The want GA to force owners of older homes to retro-fit their homes with low water use appliances (that would be low flow toilets). This would cost home owners hundreds of dollars and amount to spitting in the ocean. I posted on a similar thread a cuple of days ago how "individual users" are such small users of water that them cuting back 10% or even 50% amounts to almost NOTHING compared to the other uses of water. But that is what we are looking at here. Yes, eco-idiots go after the home owner who make be using 2000 gal of water a month while ignoring someone down the road who is using 2,000,000 gallons a day.

And don't even mention the billions of gallons released from the lake to satisfy that obscure muscle.

Vic
The enviros are the new Nazis. Enforcing their will regardless of the rest of us.

Impact,

That was a GREAT BOOK and a great ending. The premise was one of killing off humanity except for the "elite" society and a few thralls to farm for said elites. We'd be better off gathering up the enviromorons and airdropping them from about 35K ft over the arctic...sans parachute.

GunnyG
Perhaps we should start calling them the "eco-Nazis" instead of the eco-idiots.

The branch of environmentalists that I call the ne-Marxist luddites would fit that bill nicely.

Vic
That works for me. I'm waiting for The Goreacle to start holding Nuremburg-type rallies and have his acolytes beating up any naysayers in the crowd.

After all, he says the debate is closed anyway. The eco-nazis are just following their leader's example.

Taproot
Of course of course, neuter gender of absurdus, now it all comes back in perfect clarity :-D. amo amas amat, see? Actually thanks. I totally forgot the ad, too

GunnyG
Hey, i didn't know you were Catholic. With the Mitt/Mormon controversy being bandied about, an old question comes to mind. Have you ever been in the tunnel JFK had built to the Vatican?


Taproot
"Reductio ad absurdam" is used constantly by the Right. You can often detect it by its use of the words "Oh, so" to introduce a phrase, as in:

Left: I think it's wrong to let little children starve to death.
Right: Oh, so you're a Communist!

Left: The UN sometimes prevents war.
Right: Oh, so you want the United States to surrender to every other nation in the world!

Left: My gay neighbor is a nice guy.
Right: Oh, so you want your children to be forced into the gay lifestyle by perverts.

***

In current political reality:

Hillary Clinton: (In response to question) "My colleagues piled on not because I am a woman but because I am winning."

Right-wing media: "Oh, so Hillary wants special treatment because she is a female! Hillary plays the gender card! Hillary whines, "Stop hitting me---I'm a girl!".

Savage99
Yes, but I have a lot of issues with the Church.

One, their stance on knuckling under to abortionist pols (Hanoi John, The Swimmer, Red Nanny) by giving them Communion. They should be excommunicated.

Two, jagoff Cardinal Mahoney in LA endorsing illegals and encouraging people to break State/Fed law.

Three, their stance on the death penalty. I say a fast trial and a faster execution, they say spending millions to keep them locked up.

Four, go back to Latin.

I prefer Thompson but Romney is not bad. His religion, as long as it ain't Islamic, has no impact on me.

lilly
If you reverse your application, it appears the absurd part is the "progressive" statement. Not wanting "little children to starve" is just another ridiculous argument for the liberal use of taxes to support even more people who don't need the support, but are willing to receive a handout. PLEASE!

And, if the UN SOMETIMES prevents war, that is a lucky thing; it's certainly not because they know what they are doing. How silly! Anyone looking at the UN's record could figure that out--between the UN peacekeepers accused of sexual abuse and other violations of human rights and their leaving an area because "it's too dangerous."

GunnyG
Any issues you have with your Church are your own. I have great respect for Judism, Catholicism and the LDS. I do not defend my own faith or attitudes, nor attack another's relationship with the spiritual. I am a member of the Church of Religious Science, the dogma of all of the aforementioned being in some way contrary to my conscience. All other things being equal, i feel more comfortable with those that acknowlege a Higher Power, the jihadists being the notable exception, as you say.
Without being an expert on Catholic doctrine, it would seem to me that your issues are in great part with only some Catholics and in the current time frame. Historically, your personal stances are in good accord with your Church. About the time we get the good ole USA back on track, i wouldn't be surprised if Catholicism, a religion practiced by frail and imperfect humans, returns with the USA, more to the founding principles.

Rachel Carson is NOT the villain . . .
Rachel Carson never called for an out-right ban on DDT, instead arguing in Silent Spring that:

"No responsible person contends that insect-borne disease should be ignored. The question that has now urgently presented itself is whether it is either wise or responsible to attack the problem by methods that are rapidly making it worse. The world has heard much of the triumphant war against disease through the control of insect vectors of infection, but it has heard little of the other side of the story -the defeats, the short-lived triumphs that now strongly support the alarming view that the insect enemy has been made actually stronger by our efforts. Even worse, we may have destroyed our very means of fighting."

She noted that "Malaria programmes are threatened by resistance among mosquitoes" and emphasized the advice given by the director of Holland's Plant Protection Service: "Practical advice should be 'Spray as little as you possibly can' rather than 'Spray to the limit of your capacity'. Pressure on the pest population should always be as slight as possible."

Furthermore, experts have argued that restrictions placed on the agricultural use of DDT (something Carson actually did advocate) have increased its effectiveness as tool for battling malaria. Pro-DDT advocate Amir Attaran has said, "The outcome of the treaty [banning DDT's use in agriculture] is arguably better than the status quo.For the first time, there is now an insecticide which is restricted to vector control only, meaning that the selection of resistant mosquitoes will be slower than before." And even Roger Bate, director of Africa Fighting Malaria, has said, "A lot of people have used Carson to push their own agendas."

Secular Progressively Regressive....
Frustration with the status quo, i.e. all the waste of human life and personal resources by control freaks, is causing many more people to become aware of the idiocy of letting the Feds and PC organizations tell everyone what is best for them.

I have been hearing of the rampant malaria deaths in Africa for many years, due to the ban on DDT. I have always wondered how anyone with an ounce of common sense justifies all these needless deaths when the means of preventing them is is available and simple.

Over and over we see that measures that should be no-brainers for those possessing one iota of common sense are bemoaned by so-called Progressives as being too invasive or dangerous for the environment.

Good stewardship of the environment is important. Things like clearing underbrush in forested areas would eliminate many of the wildfires we see every year that destroy property and take lives.

Managed hunting practices insure that the deer and elk don't starve to death from overgrazing of their habitat by limiting overpopulation.

There are many more examples of the insanity of letting so-called environmentalists do things that cause more harm than good to both man and the environment.


Environmentalists not always to blame
I was really curious about how Rachel Carson ended up taking the blame for the banning of DDT, when she never advocated a ban, only more judicious use of it, so I did a little more poking around and found some surprising theories.

"So how did the "Rachel killed millions" claim get from lunatic fringe to mainstream?
Well, in 1998, the new Director-General of the World Health Organization, Gro Harlem Brundtland established the Tobacco Free Initiative to reduce death and disease caused by tobacco use. Since it would also reduce tobacco company profits, they used one of their favourite tactics: When an agency plans to take actions against smoking, tobacco companies pay third parties to attack the agency for addressing tobacco instead of some other issue. For example, when the FDA proposed to regulate nicotine, Philip Morris organized and paid for an expensive anti-FDA campaign of radio, television and print ads from think tanks such as the CEI.

So Philip Morris hired Roger Bate to set up a new astroturf group Africa Fighting Malaria and criticize the WHO for not doing enough to fight malaria. The key elements of AFM's strategy:

Simplify our arguments.
Pick issues on which we can divide our opponents and win. Make our case on our terms, not on the terms of our opponents - malaria prevention is a good example. ...
this will create tensions between LDCs and OECD countries and between public health and environment.

The simple argument they used to drive a wedge between public health and environment was that we had to choose between birds and people. That by banning DDT to protect birds, environmentalists caused many people to die from malaria.




Environmentalists not always to blame
I was really curious about how Rachel Carson ended up taking the blame for the banning of DDT, when she never advocated a ban, only more judicious use of it, so I did a little more poking around and found some surprising theories.

"So how did the "Rachel killed millions" claim get from lunatic fringe to mainstream?
Well, in 1998, the new Director-General of the World Health Organization, Gro Harlem Brundtland established the Tobacco Free Initiative to reduce death and disease caused by tobacco use. Since it would also reduce tobacco company profits, they used one of their favourite tactics: When an agency plans to take actions against smoking, tobacco companies pay third parties to attack the agency for addressing tobacco instead of some other issue. For example, when the FDA proposed to regulate nicotine, Philip Morris organized and paid for an expensive anti-FDA campaign of radio, television and print ads from think tanks such as the CEI.

So Philip Morris hired Roger Bate to set up a new astroturf group Africa Fighting Malaria and criticize the WHO for not doing enough to fight malaria. The key elements of AFM's strategy:

Simplify our arguments.
Pick issues on which we can divide our opponents and win. Make our case on our terms, not on the terms of our opponents - malaria prevention is a good example. ...
this will create tensions between LDCs and OECD countries and between public health and environment.

The simple argument they used to drive a wedge between public health and environment was that we had to choose between birds and people. That by banning DDT to protect birds, environmentalists caused many people to die from malaria.

So, it appears that Phillip Morris, in conjunction with the leading (and powerful)chemical companies, launched attacks against Rachel Carson, and the media was only too glad to add fuel to that fire by misrepresenting the message of the book. Imagine that ~ the media getting it all wrong . . .




Savage99
I definately agree. There is a lot of good within the Catholic Church, who once ran a great school at Notre Dame and of course, the Jesuits. They failed to police their ranks with the pedophiles and suffered for it. They used to be stanch conservatives for the most part but drifted towards the middle following the people. Not good.

brigida
You are incorrect. The pile of crap stated that DDT use led to the deaths of birds by weaking their egg shells. The title "Silent Spring" was used to provoke an emotional reaction to a spring w/o birds among the flower children. Her title came from a Keats poem.

Also, next time you cut and paste from Wikipedia, you might want to note that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Spring

oops,
weaking = weakening.

Gunny,Savage
Always enjoy your comments. I would like to put forward my theory of groups. They should all have an ending date. After a period of time they become a perversion of the very reason for their existence. I also as a lapsed Catholic remember as an altar boy hearing the bishop say we need a new church and you (old man) are not doing it fast enough. We are replacing you with a new,younger priest who will devote less time to the spiritual well being and more to raising money. I realized then that it had become a business and spiritual underpinings were on their way out. I see that the bill for the homosexual; "non-PC" priests, is somewhere above the 2 Billion mark. Foundations, Other groups all sink to this level. IMO, the Boy Scouts are the last hold out and they are under attack. BTW, I didn't join them either.

Nobility
Thanks for the kudos. I was a Cub and then a Boy Scout. My son was a scout on Oki and in the states. I truly hope that the scouts never knuckle under to the commie b*stards in the ACLU.

I agree that the Catholic Church has come full circle to the "indulgence" days as most churches have. I still believe in a Higher Power, I just don't think I need a priest to be the middleman. Religion does teach a good set of values and morals so we still go for that.

Gunny is right
To find out the truth one should Google “FACTS VERSUS FEARS:
A REVIEW OF THE GREATEST UNFOUNDED HEALTH SCARES OF RECENT TIMES” by ADAM J. LIEBERMAN (1967–1997) and SIMONA C. KWON, M.P.H.. One can find this study in pdf format to download.

Rachael Carlson is the one who started the DDT scare with faulty science and this was the actual start of the environmental movement. This and other frauds are the prime example of why all of these “special interests groups” should be consigned to the dustbin of history.

Any allegation that there is some “boogey-man” of an issue out there that requires a “political solution” should go through a multi-phase process. First the “aggrieved organization” present their assertion along with the evidence that backs it up. A preliminary panel reviews the material to determine that the group is not a crackpot group of anarchists and that they have a “legitimate” concern. Next a panel of personnel with qualifications IN THE AREA of the concern is formed to study the issue using ALL the elements of scientific method. IF it is found that a true cause for concern is found the group will publish their findings and ALL of the work performed to arrive at their conclusions. Along with the findings should be a recommendation as to what the “fix” should be AND the expected impacts of the “fix”, along with cost justification.
cont

pt 2

This published material should remain open for public viewing and comment for one year. Following that, comments will be incorporated and the recommendations changed dependent on the outcome of the comments. The material is then left for further review for a shorter period of time”. Following that review and comment incorporation the final “findings and recommendations” are given to the politicians.

The politicians will then have the option of implementing the recommendations as they are OR not implementing at ALL. If they wish to implement different recommendations then it must be resubmitted for public review and comment over again.

Oh and the group that started the ball rolling, they should be disbanded as soon as the study goes to the politicians.

Vic
You're absolutely right although that will take away the grants from the professional students as well as making it harder for pseudo-scientists like The Goreacle to make money fleecing the sheeple.

GunnyG
The process that I outlines is really the standard process for the goverment issuing a new or modified regulation in the code of federal regulations except that they only send it to the "regulated" people. This would go to all and it would bind the politicians in additon to the 'crats.

Long term idiots
The problem with these special interest groups, who I will refer to as the eco-idiots, staying around after their original “issue” is addressed is that they will ALWAYS find some new issue to justify their existence. Once their egos have been stroked in the political arena they are addicted worse than the most hardened crack fiend. They will continue to argue for new and tighter regulations until they are literally “carping about quarks”. This has been demonstrated over and over again in all areas of special interest groups from eco-idiots like the Sierra Club to the anti-drinking idiots like MADD.

Vic
Also, getting rid of the earmarks would help. That, and having a POTUS who really WAS a conservative!

Heading to chow and watch. Later.

Anti--DDTism
is like GW aficionados--their science is bad and they are promoted by an uneducated press until the nitwits in DC pass leg. to their liking.

Mark Twain said, "Suppose you were an idiot. Suppose you were a Congressman. But I repeat myself."

Vic & GunnyG
Faulty science? So you're saying there is no pesticide-cancer or pesticide overuse-pest resistant link? Is that what you're calling "faulty science?"

Read it for yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Carson

"Many critics repeatedly asserted that she was calling for the elimination of all pesticides despite the fact that Carson had made it clear she was NOT advocating the banning or complete withdrawal of helpful pesticides, but was instead encouraging responsible and carefully managed use with an awareness of the chemicals' impact on the entire ecosystem.[50]

In fact, she concludes her section on DDT in Silent Spring not by urging a total ban, but with advice for spraying as little as possible to limit the development of resistance.[51]"




brigida
Go back to my 12:44 post to gunny. Find thst document and download it. Read it and then come back for debate.

If all you have is wiki, you have nothing.

Vic
Well, this is interesting. Here's part of the actual press release from the EPA regarding DDT.

http://www.epa.gov/history/topics/ddt/01.htm
DDT Ban Takes Effect

[EPA press release - December 31, 1972]
"The general use of the pesticide DDT will no longer be legal in the United States after today, ending nearly three decades of application during which time the once-popular chemical was used to control insect pests on crop and forest lands, around homes and gardens, and for industrial and commercial purposes.

An end to the continued domestic usage of the pesticide was decreed on June 14, 1972, when William D. Ruckelshaus, Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, issued an order finally cancelling nearly all remaining Federal registrations of DDT products. Public health, quarantine, and a few minor crop uses were excepted, as well as export of the material."

Please note "PUBLIC HEALTH, QUARANTINE AND A FEW MINOR CROP USES WERE EXCEPTED, AS WELL AS EXPORT OF THE MATERIAL."

That doesn't sound like a complete ban to me. ???


Adventures in Googling, Part I
I read this article early this morning and was a little astonished by its vitriolic tone. Then, I kept thinking about it all morning while I was engaged in the heavy housework that precedes the coming of winter. What it kept reminding me of is a play, "An Enemy of the People" by Henrik Ibsen that takes place in a small Norwegian town ca 1880. The play's main character is a popular and much-loved doctor and its main problem is that a lot of people---mainly visitors to the spa that is the chief source of the town's income---are getting typhoid. Then the doctor discovers that the spa waters are the source of the typhoid and when he tries to make this news public to keep people from getting sick, he is called "an enemy of the people". His patients won't go to him. His family members are spurned. His daughter loses her teaching job. The point is that those who run the town care about the bottom line, and not about the public health, and the doctor is ruined when he stands up for the public health.

Before Rachel Carson wrote "Silent Spring" industry and agriculture poured, with impunity, tons of insecticides into our air, water, and earth. No rational person can possibly think this was good for us, or even that it was harmless. The environmental movement began, and our laws began to require social responsibility on the part of industry. Now the pendulum has swung, and in recent years we have seen almost a religious belief that industry must not be impeded in its quest for profit, since meeting environmental requirements costs money that industry must pay. Those who speak for the public health are slimed and discredited by right-wing journalists and their parrot chorus. Please go to Part II.


Vic
In defense of some of those so-called "enviro-wackos," I also found this:

http://www.environmentaldefense.org/article.cfm?contentID=5 546

"Environmental Defense has not changed its views on the use of insecticides for indoor protection from malaria. Our successful efforts of the 1960's and 1970's specifically banned DDT for non-public-health uses in the United States, and did NOT stop use of DDT for public health purposes, in the United States or anywhere else in the world. Our position on the use of DDT for indoor protection from malaria was not determined until 2003, when we distinguished between agricultural and public health applications and said we did NOT oppose the use of DDT for public health purposes where it was critically needed, likely to be effective and served as part of a broader integrated effort to control malaria. Environmental Defense does not support wide promotion of DDT for malaria control without full acknowledgement of its significant limitations, nor do we support denial of DDT's potential human health risks, as in the WHO press release."

And this article, dated 9/17/2006, entitled "WHO approves banned DDT to fight malaria"

http://archive.gulfnews.com/world/U.S.A/10068014.html

BTW, the Sierra Club backed the plan.

So, why aren't they using it?

brigida
You obviously mistake me for someone who believes what the EPA puts out. This is the same group of left wiong nut cases that were thrown out of court with a falsified second hand smoke study.

They are no better than the left wing kooks on wiki.

Go and find the document I referenced.

Lilly,
Left: I think it's wrong to let little children starve to death.
Right: You are correct. Thats why I give to the Church and the Salvation Army.

Left: The UN sometimes prevents war.
Right: A strong military almost always prevents war.

Left: My gay neighbor is a nice guy.
Right: Good! As long as he doesn't seek my embrace of his lifestyle, I won't seek his embrace of mine!

Vic
I read the document you referenced, and I'm not sure what your point is or why you are even arguing with me. If you will read my posts, it's pretty obvious I'm not arguing in favor of a DDT ban. And I'm not some left wing nut. I'm just having a hard time figuring out how the 1972 EPA press release can be construed to be a total ban. And why, if the WHO approved DDT to fight malaria over a year ago, they're still not using it. If you can help me find the answers to those questions, then we have something to talk about.

brigida
The document I am refereing to laid the blame squarely at Carlson's door. Have you read it?

And as I said, I don't believe anyting the EPA says and as for the Sierra Club, they should all be prosecuted and locked up as subversives. If I had access to DDT I would be using it at will, but since the U.S. still bans it I guess I would have to go to China to get it, along with Freon 12 and all the other stuff that the U.S. bans and the other nations still sell.

But you are right about one thing, I don't know why I am arguing here so this is my last post for you.


Adventures in Googling, Part II
This year marks the 100th anniversary of Rachel Carson's death. It seems harmless enough to honor a woman now dead whose work was in the interest of the public health, but resolutions to honor her have been shouted down by the Right. I did some googling. Those writing against Rachel Carson have included Paul Hollrath, Senior Fellow at the Lincoln Heritage Institute; Bonnie Cohen, Senior Fellow at the National Center for Public Policy Research; and Ralph de Toledano of the Competitive Enterprise Institute. All of these are conservative think-tanks. None of these institutes has a history of giving a damn about the health of Africans. All of them have a history of giving an enormous damn about the economic success of American industry. We can quickly dispose of any idea that they are motivated by concern about malaria, which is an excuse to defund and discredit the environmental movement. And, what a bargain, at the same time they can accomplish a bit of revisionist history by turning Rachel Carson into An Enemy of the People.

Lilly
Well said. Rachel Carson never advocated a total ban on DDT, only a more judicious use of it. You would think that anyone with two brain cells that fire simultaneously could agree with that.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that we can't pour insecticides, pesticides and all manner of chemicals indiscriminately into the air and onto the planet without it coming back to bite us. Apparently, no one here is old enough to remember Love Canal.


Google this
Agenda 21, enviro-mental chicken littles pushing marxism. Watermelons, green on the outside, red on the inside.

Google this
Agenda 21...pushed by global watermelons, green outside, red inside...

brigida
I do remember the Love Canal. I remember housing developments built on top of toxic waste dumps that, after a few years, had a statistically significant number of children with leukemia. I also remember that in the steel mill town where my grandmother lived in the 1930's and 1940's every horizontal surface, including grass, was covered with black fly-ash, a sticky soot that belched from every mill chimney. I remember the smell of the air: I now recognize it as the smell of sulphur. Go back further in time: I have an 1858 cookbook that instructs the housewife how to tell when the flour she buys has been contaminated with plaster of Paris and how to remove gravel from dried beans. My point here is that once upon a time in America industry and commerce were God and could do anything, no matter how harmful to people. From everything I hear and see, the goal of Republicanworld is to restore those halcyon days. The Right's so-called concern with malaria is a red herring, and their concern for black people in Africa is laughable; I have read enough of their racist and isolationist posts that I don't believe they give a hoot for Africans with malaria. The right wing is concerned with nothing but maintaining its own comfort, and THAT's why their propaganda machine has turned on the environmental movement. Rachel Carson just gives a name and a symbol to their campaign to influence Americans against environmentalism. These people have no shame.

brigida
I read somewhere a couple of months ago that conservative think-tanks (The Heritage Foundation does come to mind) provide policy points to their policy writers who work the thought up into a release that then goes out to conservative journalists, legislators, and media figures. I suspect that's the point at which talking points turn into articles that eventually appear on townhall, and pretty soon the Parrot Chorus is repeating the idea all over everyplace. Somewhere someone somehow decided to draft Rachel Carson and a 1972 release and work her into a current issue. If you google any collection of relevant descriptors you will find that all roads re Carson/malaria lead to conservative think-tanks. As you say, this is old news. And the disseminators of this nonsense count heavily on their readers responding "Yea, Team" rather than "Why now?" or "Where did you get this?".

Folks, why don't you try this one? "Smoking tobacco is actually beneficial because it controls weight gain. People who quit smoking gain weight. Therefore the obesity epidemic can be blamed on the Left, which fought hard to control and minimize smoking. It is part of a plan for the Left to take over the United States by killing off obese conservatives through heart attacks."

Conservatives care that
individuals take responsibility for themselves.

If you like 20,000,000 a year infected with malaria and 2,000,000 worlwide deaths annually (c. 70,000,000 in the 35 years since the suspension of DDT in 1972), then denigrate the movement to restore DDT as the cure for malarial contamination.

I'll remind you Lincoln was a Republican and a conservative. The southerners who seceded from the Union were Democrats. It was Lincoln that wrote and issued the Emancipation Proclamation.

The people who invented segregation were Democrats. They also invented the Ku Klux Klan, poll taxes and literacy taxes to keep southern blacks out of voting booths. Democrats held the cattle prods that attacked freedom marchers in Selma, AL.

The people who filibustered the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rightd Act of 1964 were Democrats.

The US became involved in WW I, WW II, Korea, and Vietnam under Democtatic presidents.

If you don't like business, then you must not like a good economy, high employment, and lower taxes because real wealth only comes from private investment, not from gov't in any form.

PENSIONS - v - DISEASE
My name is MO, I work for government in disease prevention. I have been working to eradicate malaria for 10 years. In 10 more years I get my pension. They say DDT will eradicate malaria in 5 years. I don't want DDT I want my pension.

If you want some real
background on DDT, go to Steven J. Milloy's http://www.junkscience.com/

It's not wikipedia, but there are 336 articles just on DDT. I'm not saying his is the ONLY site, but it's one with some truth.
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