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Sunday, December 10, 2006
Paul Driessen :: Townhall.com Columnist
Climate McCarthyism and Eco-Inquisitions
by Paul Driessen
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Two centuries years ago, Voltaire proclaimed, “I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it.” Today, our free speech traditions are under assault.

Colleges prohibit “offensive” or “politically incorrect” speech. Radical Islamists threaten to kill scholars, artists and even popes who “disrespect” the Prophet. And when we desperately need unfettered scientific debate, intolerant eco-activists have ushered in an era of climate McCarthyism and eco-Inquisitions.

Al Gore wants to muzzle anyone who raises inconvenient truths about climate alarmism. Greenpeace wants “climate criminals” pilloried and silenced. Grist magazine wants “Nuremberg-style war crimes trials” for climate disaster skeptics, followed by hanging, one assumes, since burning at the stake would release greenhouse gases.

Climate catastrophist Ross Gelbspan told a DC audience: “Not only do journalists not have a responsibility to report what skeptical scientists have to say about global warming. They have a responsibility NOT to report what those scientists say.” Reuters, Time, 60 Minutes and the Discovery Channel appear to have taken his views to heart. UK alarmist George Monbiot says the airlines contribute to climate change – so “every time someone dies as a result of floods in Bangladesh, an airline executive should be dragged out of his office and drowned.”

During a congressional hearing, Senator Barbara Boxer treated physician-scientist-author Michael Crichton like a child molester, for suggesting that claims about climate chaos should be reviewed by double-blind studies and evidentiary standards akin to what FDA uses for new drugs. And on October 27, Senators Olympia Snowe and Jay Rockefeller issued what the Wall Street Journal aptly called a “gag order” against ExxonMobil. “Its message: Start toeing the Senators’ line on climate change, or else,” said the Journal.

The Catholic Church’s dogmatic Earth-centered-universe theology has been replaced by an equally intolerant Church of Gaia catechism of cataclysm. But the problem goes well beyond that, well beyond constitutional rights and traditions of open, robust debate being trampled by newspapers and politicians duty-bound to uphold them.

It is, above all, an unprecedented power grab by activists, politicians and bureaucrats who want to be the final arbiters of every energy and economic decision.

Yes, Earth’s climate is changing – again, though far less than it has repeatedly throughout our planet’s history. Yes, people are influencing our weather and climate – to some degree. But few scientists have joined astronomer James Hansen in saying that humans have replaced the sun and other natural forces as the primary cause, Climate Armageddon is nigh, and drastic action must be taken immediately.

Cataclysm theorists point to computer models. But models are not evidence. Neither are headlines, hype or Hollywood special effects – nor incessant claims that every storm, drought, heat wave or cold snap is due to fossil fuels. Moreover, even perfect compliance with the Kyoto Protocol would do virtually nothing to stop hypothetical human-induced climate change. And the true costs of imposing Draconian measures would be astronomical.

Carbon taxes, carbon caps, greenhouse gas targets and timetables would send already high energy prices into the stratosphere, raise the cost of every consumer product and service, reduce profits, impair productivity, stifle innovation – and drive numerous jobs overseas, to countries where energy is still available and priced lower. Simply put, no juice – no jobs.

In the coming decade, according to energy analysts, Colorado alone will need 5,000 megawatts of new electrical generation; Texas, over 25,000; the USA, hundreds of thousands. Most will have to come from fossil fuels. Will policy makers enable or prevent us from meeting these needs?

If it takes 13,000 wind turbines (on 105,000 acres) to generate the electrical output of one 500-mW gas-fired power plant, how many turbines will it take to produce 50,000 mW? How much scenic acreage will they despoil? How many birds and bats will they kill?

If we emphasize intermittent, unreliable wind and solar power, will utility companies be reduced to promising they can ensure 12 hours of power a day, as we fire up assembly lines or head into surgery? If utilities have to sequester CO2 at $40-50 a ton, will they follow Britain’s lead, and tell parents who can no longer afford to heat their homes adequately: just send your children to bed with hats, mittens, sox – and bags of rice warmed in microwaves?

To reduce electricity demand, will Mr. Gore tell kids they can’t have Sony Playstations or computers? Will he seek a ban on plasma televisions, which use five times the electricity of conventional TVs? Will he stop flying all over the planet, to lecture lesser mortals about climate apocalypse?

Will the Senate Inquisitors – and their fear-mongering Greenpeace and NRDC shock troopers – now run their offices only on whatever electricity they can get from wind and solar power? What will they tell families of elderly folks who die in summer heat waves, because they can’t afford air conditioning – or AC has been banned as “polluting and unnecessary”?

How much will California really preserve our environment by having its future electricity generated by power plants sited in Montana, Idaho and Utah – and sent to LA via 2000-mile-long transmission lines – so that its legislators can claim to have reduced Golden State carbon emissions?

How many Third World families will remain impoverished and threatened with death from lung and intestinal diseases, because eco-imperialist agitators, politicians and bureaucrats continue to pressure banks and companies not to build power plants in poor countries?

These are just a few of the inconvenient questions and truths that alarmists want silenced. That’s why companies, legislators, scientists and citizens need to raise them, despite threats of Maoist show trials.

Raising these issues – and defending open, robust, civil debate about them – is the essence of ethics, social responsibility, citizenship, and now courage. Our forebears risked their lives to speak the truth. Surely we can risk a little public browbeating from Senate neo-McCarthyites, to ensure that our nation is not stampeded into enacting state and federal laws that will be economically and ethically disastrous.

We do not face looming climate chaos. We have time to respond rationally and responsibly, evaluate competing claims, demand real science and evidence, devise sensible laws and policies, and develop new energy generation technologies that will meet growing demand for abundant, reliable, affordable electricity – while improving efficiency, reducing pollution, and protecting the health and economic vitality of families, companies and communities.

Let’s hope the march toward totalitarian government ends, wisdom prevails, and we again place our faith in American optimism, creativity, innovation and true social responsibility.

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Paul Driessen is senior policy adviser for the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT), which is sponsoring the All Pain No Gain petition against global-warming hype. He also is a senior policy adviser to the Congress of Racial Equality and author of Eco-Imperialism: Green Power - Black Death.

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A little confused
In the first part of the article, she talks about the debate over the extent of human contributions to climate change, while in the second part, she talks about the debate over what to do about it. So, which one is the scientific cabal suppressing?

Oopsie
Sorry about that, the "she" part, I mean. I must have gotten it confused with some other article.

Not either or
I read in Popular Science a few months ago that Japan, a highly industrialized country, has, per unit industrial output, half the carbon emissions of the United States. It's not a case of environment vs. industry, as Mr. Dreissen implies in the article (and claims openly elsewhere). If we use current technology properly, we can cut greenhouse gas emissions without sacrificing industry or power generation.

Popular Science
A good source for unbiased information?

If Americans will just start living in two room apartments and riding bicycles to work, as the folks in Japan do...Is the true motivation behind the enviro movement consern for the earth or a ploy to embrace socialism? Sure, more government regulation can fix it. Just like more government regulation fixes everything else...

Nuclear Power
Frey, sadly enviro-wackos spouting doomsday forcasts put our nuclear energy program in a 30 year deep freeze. This is the main reason that Japan has a smaller carbon footprint/unit output than the US. Also, we have alternative energy sources like natural gas and coal to turn to which Japan lacks.

As to Dreissen claim about stifling of scientific debate, I couldn't agree more with him. Some of this is simply the news medias need for sensationalism. They always need doom and gloom to keep people watching. I would love to see a multi-part series featuring scientists from both sides of the GW issue butting heads.

Strange
I heard that Dennis Miller recently was a guest on one of the late night shows. He had with him a copy of Time magazine from the early 70's which warned of the impending doom we were facing because of global cooling. The wackos are always saying we're going to ruin the planet & die because of our own greed. The actual mechanism of doom is irrelevant, the real message is that we will destroy the Earth. These bozos are far less interested in environmental preservation than they are in destroying capitalism. One of the more frightening aspects of the movement is the absolute intolerance of any opinion not in lockstep with the party line.

Huh?
And, what about cattle? Bovines seem to be responsible for more CO2 emissions than all forms of transportation combined. Will cows be banned and will we all be forced to become vegans??? I so love cheese... Don’t start; I’m Cajun.

http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2062484.ece


The radical agenda
When we see so-called "environmentalists" calling for "Nuremberg-type" trials of anyone who doesn't buy their story, supposedly impartial journalists insisting that they have a"responsibility" not to contradict the environmentalists, and politicians demanding imeediate action in spite of not having all (or indeed even a majority) of the data in, we are not looking at science. We are looking at a cult. Cults should not be making decisions that can affect the future of civilization.

Senator James Inhofe (R-OK) has recently put together a report on this subject. It is not kind to the environmentalists. Among other things, it shows how the "ecos" have been distorting the historic record to justify their radical objectives. (Hint; the eponymous "hockey stick" graph was proven a fraud over a decade ago.) You can read it at

http://epw.senate.gov/repwhitepapers/6341044%20Hot%20&%20Cold%20Media.pdf

It's about 66 pdf pages, but well worth your time. And it includes a lot of links.

cheers

eon

More evidence of eco McCarthism

The following is written by a professor at MIT

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008220


In reference to Popular Science, are you referring to the one that forecast we would all have flying cars, monocycles, or computer concrolloed commuter cars by 1990, and utopia would arrive with the 21st century? that Pop Science.

Non-biased? Oh, sure
"Senator James Inhofe (R-OK) has recently put together a report on this subject. It is not kind to the environmentalists."

Since James Inhofe gets a large portion of his campaign funding from oil companies, this is hardly a surprise.

Japan
How much of Japan's energy is produced by nuclear power (nucular if you're a President from Texas)?

They'd have more coal fired power plants if they had any coal.

Energy = Freedom. Rationing = Serfdom.
This is what I've been saying all along. This is probably the most important issue before us today, even if he science doesn't support the theory.

I remember a decade before Dr. Jensen came up with his anthrogenic global warming hypothesis, the eco-fascists were looking to ban private autos and rigidly regulate our energy access and use on a variety of pretexts.

Does anybody else find it odd that the established elites would try to make a dogma out of a scientific theory that JUST HAPPENS to support everything they've wanted to do anyway on any pretext?

To properlly understand this issue, you must look at the policies proposed as responses. This is not about the science, be it real, exaggerated, or imaginary. It's about rationalizing and justifying these restrictions they've wanted to impose on us all along. The bottom line here is basically universal, permanent, institutionalized energy rationing, & a basically totalitarian govt to do it. Furthermore, since this involves treaties and trade agreements to assign and distribute the right to burn stuff to all the countries in the world, which will lead to disputes needing to be arbitrated, the logic takes us directly to a de facto, if not de jure, world socialist government.

If anthrogenic carbon-dioxide greenhouse effect caused "global warming" were real, you'd think they would at least focus on measures that actually might have some chance of working.

Instead, we get the Kyoto Treaty, which can't possibly work, largely because it gives China & India a pass. Why should Red China, the rising industrial power in the world, not be held to the strictest rather than the loosest standard? Why shouldn't it be motivated to develop from scratch in such a way as to minimize carbon dioxide emissions? Why shouldn't Communism demonstrate it's good for something, instead being given special status?

Whence comes this fascination with hydrogen? The energy still has to come from somewhere. Hydrogen, especially liquid hydrogen, is a very treacherous and difficult to handle substance. I cannot believe that anyone seriously wants every road vehicle to be hydrogen-powered; every major collision could easily become a fireball, even a chain reaction of fireballs!

Why are we even fooling with ethanol? It's purely a political sop. It actually requires more energy to make than it yields, & carbon dioxide is emitted for every kilocalorie.

If "they" were really serious about the notion that man-made carbon dioxide (a substance natually abundant in the atmosphere) is dangerous, they'd be encouraging ultimate energy sources such as nukes and orbiting solar energy farms, not piddling with windmills and panels on rooftops.

But, this is not about the theory, nor developing sources of intense, serious energy that don't create carbon dioxide. This is about growing government exponentially & controlling us more and more. They keep wanting to declare "The debate is over," and skip past the boring annoying matter of proof to get to the fun part of telling us what we can get, what we can have, and how we will live our lives.

DashingDave
You do make a good point about Japan's nuclear program. Our relative lack of it in this country is partly the environmental issue, but mostly just plain economics. Nuclear power was more expensive and more trouble than everyone thought it would be. And as you say, we had alternatives. You can't really blame the environmental movement for that one.

http://www.logicalscience.com/consensus/consensus.htm

and, if you looked at the earlier link to the op-ed piece:
http://www.logicalscience.com/skeptics/Lindzen.htm

Finally, if you want to look at the other side of the suppression issue, check out "The Republican War on Science", by Chris Mooney. It's a bit of a misnomer, he blasts Democrats too.

Nuclear Blame
You can blame Jimmy Carter for the lack of nuclear power in the US. After the problems with TMI were solved, the primary problem with nuclear power is what to do with the spent fuel. A company called Chem-Nuclear was ready to reprocess the spent fuel into new nuclear fuel (About 60% of the U235 is still in the spent fuel), but Jimmy Carter issued an Executive Order to stop reprocessing because he was afraid that terrorists would somehow get some of the Pu239 from the process.

Now the utilities are waiting for Yucca Mountain to open. I started in the nuclear industry 25 years ago, and Yucca Mountain was 10 years away from completion. It's still 10 years away from completion.


Wolfpat
Given the current state of world affairs and the 1% doctrine, was Carter wrong to do that?

I tend to be with you on Yucca Mountain. Multi-year scientific and engineering studies support the selection of the site, and I wish people (mostly Dems) would quit playing politics with it.

Normal cycle of Ice Ages?
Anyone who believes mankind can prevent the normal cycle of our Earth warming and cooling into an Ice Age is rather naive. This cycle has been going on for over 4 BILLOIN years, is as normal as the 4 seasons and is likely to continue dispite anything Algore does.

Additional information at;
http://www.junkscience.com

I wish Algore could send us some of his "Global Warming" right now, it has been a little cooler than usual.

Don't Tread On Me
Nail. Head. Blam!

This is the big problem. The solutions for "global warming" *just happen* to be what the watermelons have been trying to get the West to do all along. Then they wonder why there is skepticism.

As for Japan, remember---anything industrial or technological there dates after 1945.

Also, many of their resources have to be imported. Japan is a tiny country with very little in the way of its own resources, such as agricultural resources and textiles.

For whose carbon footprint is a bolt of cloth counted? For Malaysia where the bolt of cloth is made, or for Japan who imports it?

Into the Frey
Certainly we should turn a skeptic eye to anyone who has a vested interest in the outcome. So, rigorous analysis of Inhofe's paper must ensue. Guilt by association, however, is disingenuous at best. Let's equally look to see how many shadow organizations and people support Gore and like-minded folk. (Soros for example)We cannot ignore the thesis of the article at hand, namely, that there's a concerted attempt to suppress and thwart discussion because the conclusion has been reached, and maybe financed by people with vested interests.

Ref. McCarthy
Overall, I liked the article, except for the uncalled for comparison to McCarthyism. Why not mention the HUAC, House un-American Activities Committee,created by a Democrat House in 1938? They originated blacklisting(McCarhty never did it), and guilt by association. McCarthy was right. There were and still are Communists in the State Department, the Treasury Department, the Department of Commerce, and several departments of the Military. Most of the complaints about McCarthy came from the 'Communist Fellow Travelers' mostly far left Democrats and their Communist mouthpieces. Why muddy your argument against the Environistas with cheap shots at a man who went after our enemies?

wHo come
Pluto and Mars have had a temperature increase? There aren't any SUVs on either place so could it be the sun? If the industrialization of our country had it biggest increase in the 1940's, why is the warming only taking place now? Another important question....is there possibly a plotical motive to undermine the power of the US especially in light of the UN and other nations hostile to us who are lined up in support of Kyoto?

Follow the Money vs Debate the Topic
It is typical of individuals like Frey; they can't debate the topic with intelligence and have to fall back on “follow the money”.

Everything we are reading on global warming, and I mean everything is “paid for by a competing interest”! So what. Get at the facts and then state your opinions. We are entitled to our opinions but not to our own facts. Facts are facts.

Contrary to "popular misconception" those who use the term "consensus of scientists" is totally irrelevant. There is no such thing as consensus of scientists, in science, a hypothesis is either proven unconditionally or it is not. Consensus applies to politics, never to science.

Side note on scientists and climate, all scientists relative to climate study are not created equal. Specifically, scientists that are qualified to work on global warming are called “Climatologist”. For your use, here is the definition of a Climatologist.

Climatology is the study of climate, or past weather, and is a branch of the atmospheric sciences. In contrast to meteorology, which studies short term weather systems lasting up to a few weeks, climatology studies the frequency with which these weather systems occurred in the past. It studies the periodicity of weather events over years to millennia, as well as changes in long-term average weather patterns, in relation to atmospheric conditions. Climatologists, those who practice climatology, study both the nature of climates - local, regional or global - and the natural or human-induced factors that cause climates to change. Climatology considers the past and can help predict future climate change.

Phenomena of climatological interest include the atmospheric boundary layer, circulation patterns, heat transfer (radiative, convective and latent), interactions between the atmosphere and the oceans and land surface (particularly vegetation, land use and topography), and the chemical and physical composition of the atmosphere. Related disciplines include chemistry, ecology, geology, geophysics, glaciology, hydrology, oceanography, and volcanology.

Climatology is approached in a variety of ways. Paleoclimatology seeks to reconstruct past climates by examining records such as ice cores and tree rings (dendroclimatology). The study of contemporary climates incorporates meteorological data accumulated over many years, such as records of rainfall, temperature and atmospheric composition. Knowledge of the atmosphere and its dynamics is also embodied in models, either statistical or mathematical, which help by integrating different observations and testing how they fit together. Modeling is used for understanding past, present and potential future climates.

Climate research is made difficult by the large scale, long time periods, and complex processes which govern climate. It is generally accepted that climate is governed by differential equations based on physical laws, but what, exactly, are these equations, and what can be concluded from them, is still subject to debate. Climate is sometimes modeled as a stochastic process but this is generally accepted as an approximation to processes that are otherwise too complicated to analyze.

Now here is the punch line, most of the scientist who are jumping into the global warming debate, are not qualified, trained, educated climatologists.

Ignored research
Apocalyptic preachers used to proclaim the end is near, to little effect. Now why, when environmentalists sing much the same song about the outcome of global warming, does everyone applaud?

Perhaps it’s because (as Va. state climatologist Patrick Michaels pointed out in an op-ed piece in the Free Lance-Star (Va.) on Dec. 3) most of the “preachers” hog all the space in newspapers and the scientific literature outlets.

To give a most recent example, a contrary book published in November, “Unstoppable Global Warming—Every 1,500 Years,” cites chapter and verse of scientific studies showing how unremarkable the current warming phase is, and not something to get religious over.

And not, as evangalist Al Gore has claimed, “[Global warming] is a moral issue—it affects the survival of human civilization.”

Indeed, we need not repent, imply the book’s authors, Virginians Fred Singer and Dennis Avery. Rather, they note that the advocates of “we’re to blame” for global warming can’t dispute the long-term cycles except to say today is different, based on faulty computer projections.

The book has predictably received hardly any public comment despite its abundant citations of scientific studies and its common sense analyses.
See for yourself: Order one from Rowan and Littlefield Publishers, Inc. $24.95.



Ignored research
Apocalyptic preachers used to proclaim the end is near, to little effect. Now why, when environmentalists sing much the same song about the outcome of global warming, does everyone applaud?

Perhaps it’s because (as Va. state climatologist Patrick Michaels pointed out in an op-ed piece in the Free Lance-Star (Va.) on Dec. 3) most of the “preachers” hog all the space in newspapers and the scientific literature outlets.

To give a most recent example, a contrary book published in November, “Unstoppable Global Warming—Every 1,500 Years,” cites chapter and verse of scientific studies showing how unremarkable the current warming phase is, and not something to get religious over.

And not, as evangalist Al Gore has claimed, “[Global warming] is a moral issue—it affects the survival of human civilization.”

Indeed, we need not repent, imply the book’s authors, Virginians Fred Singer and Dennis Avery. Rather, they note that the advocates of “we’re to blame” for global warming can’t dispute the long-term cycles except to say today is different, based on faulty computer projections.

The book has predictably received hardly any public comment despite its abundant citations of scientific studies and its common sense analyses.
See for yourself: Order one from Rowan and Littlefield Publishers, Inc. $24.95.



Can't say for sure if GW is reality, but
Can anyone here actually claim that we humans aren't slowly hurting this planet? We litter, we pollute, we overfish, we hunt into extinction, we don't really give a crap about changing our ways because we've grown accustomed to the conveniences our ways provide us.

I'm not an "enviro-wacko" or a "hippy", but I do believe that we don't treat this planet particularly well, and eventually, all that will have to catch up to us. Sure, it may be 10 generations down the line, but why not make changes NOW to avoid problems LATER? Why does everyone feel so threatened when people suggest environmentalism? Even those of you on the right, shouldn't you be doing everything in your power to protect GOD'S GREEN EARTH?

This should not be a partisian issue, but like everything else, you're making it one.

A Marxist Correlation of Forces
Ironically, the GW Alarmists became a force politically about the same time Marxism was ending worldwide. Most GW activists are lawyers, PR specialists, celeberties, goverment employees, politicans, and the idle wealthy. The biggest arm of this movement is sponsored by the UN, and the UN provides a clearing house for GW realted scientific activty (the IPCC). The IPCC itself is the public face for the GW Alarmists as it gives political cover for thier acitvites. When people refer to "peer reviewed scientific research", it is the IPCC which gives its imprimatur.

The call to censor, indict, and jail skeptics of AGW (Anthropegenic Global Warming) is just a Marxist reflex left over from the bad ol' days. The IPCC, NOAA, and the WMO rarely if ever entertain scientists who do not toe the line. These institutions are nothing more than just giant echo chambers. The worldwide media outlets feed off of them, so in turn it appears that AGW is accepted fact in which no one disagrees.

Private institutions (that is non govermental) now are being threatened by our own Senate to stop funding independent research into climate science. Just last week Senator Boxer waved the specter of a return to the windfall profit tax if Exxon didn't get with the program.

What we are now seeing is a concerted global effort to extort billions of dollars in the name of saving our planet. Scientists are threatened with firings, goverments threaten private corportations with punative taxation, and now goverment officials want to indict private individuals who preach the new heresey.

Science can be perverted Jonathan Swift once wrote. His biggest concern was that it would dehumanize the person, as well as being a tool for repression. The old Soviet Union bore this out, but now free societies are falling under its spell. Scientists like NOAA's Dr Hansen are selling thier souls for thier 15 minutes of fame, and large extra govermental insitutions are taking advantage of this for thier own aggrandizement of power.

Boppa
"There is no such thing as consensus of scientists, in science, a hypothesis is either proven unconditionally or it is not."

Uh, no. There's no such thing in science as an unconditionally proven theory. You want 100% certainty, go to religion. If a hypothesis has the weight of evidence behind it, it becomes "supported" (or a similar word, I forget the exact term). If a hypothesis has a great weight of evidence behind it, like evolution, it becomes a theory. But even a theory can be overturned, if there's enough evidence that the previous evidence was wrong. The supported hypothesis of anthropogenic global warming may be overturned one day, but it would take a lot of scientific evidence on the other side. And one measure of evidence is how many qualified individuals (scientists) find the evidence compelling. Hence, the significance of consensus.

"most of the scientists who are jumping into the global warming debate, are not qualified, trained, educated climatologists."

True, but almost all qualified, trained, educated climatologists also believe in anthropogenic climate change. And the non-climatologists can still evaluate scientific papers, even those not in their field.

As for actual scientific studies, a review paper by Naomi Oreskes published in the journal Science looked at papers written, between 1993 and 2003, on global climate change. There were 928 papers, all of which went through peer review, and of those, 25% dealt with prehistoric climate change before humans evolved, and the remaining 75% all presented evidence that supported anthropogenic climate change. 75% for, 0% against.

Climate Audit website
For those who wish to know what "the otherside" says check out http://climateaudit.org. This an independent website where 2 mathematicians "audit" most of the climate reconstructions that are being used by the activists. Warning: while you don't need to have a Masters in Statistical Studies to understand many of the technical issues cited there, Ross McKitrick and Steve McKintyre do not cater to the layman. At least a curosy knowledge of Principle Components Analysis is assumed.

Economics
Let's look at it from an economic point of view. Like Super Mario says, isn't it better (i.e., cheaper) to prevent global warming (as best one can, anyway) then to have to deal with it when it happens? Even if it's not certain, but very likely, don't preventative measures still make long-term economic sense? We took preventative measures against Y2K, even though it wasn't a certainty.

Andy
Andy, your post is very interesting.I don't think there have been too many individuals in history who have suffered the hysterical, virulent slander of Joe McCarthy. He had his faults. He drank too much, and I guess he had other failings as well. Just like all of us.


He did not start the Black Lists. He was not on HUAC. All he ever asked was for top security clearance to be denied known Communists in the American government. Claiming that increasing numbers of Communists were in high offices and not being able to prove it was probably tied to his drunkenness. That doesn't excuse his exagerations. He has paid a gret price for those exagerations. Even after he was dead.


Andy, there really were Communists in government. Just like today there were Communists in academia. There were individuals who viewed themselves as Stalinist agents. Many of them had migrated here from Europe for the express purpose of undermining America.


When you look at the level of hatred directed toward joe McCarthy from the left, you might consider that it is directly linked to the damage they feel he did to them. He exposed them by raising the issue of security clearance for Communists. Think about it.


When FDR went to Yalta and gave Stalin so much of Europe, he had among his advisors a leftie named Harold Ickies. His son was a hatchet man for Bill Clinton. McCarthy pulled the covers off of all the traitors who were in this country in positions of influence they had worked very hard to gain.


Think of what would have happened if those people had never been exposed. Yes, Joe McCarthy had his faults, but he stood head and shoulders above the Stalinist/Marxist/Communist traitors who were dedicated to America's destruction.


I smile whenever I hear McCarthy's name. The leftist traitors wouldn't hate him the way they do unless he had really hurt them. I say "Right On" Joe.

Super Mario
"We hunt into extinction"? Are you talking about the passenger pigeon? What are we hunting to extinction today?


The prairie dog? The black tailed ferret? Lets see now, didn't we cause the goonie bird to become extinct?


Game management is big in the world today, and especially so in this country. I'm not talking about the depredations of poachers, or people in Asia who kill animals to make aphrodisiacs. They are poachers too.


You ask why should everyone feel so threatened when anyone mentions enviromentalism. Obviously the fraudulent, totalitarian methods of the fear mongering enviromentalists has escaped your attention. Why indeed do we feel threatened? I guess it is because we are sane, and resent the junk scienceand radical leftist frauds who push radical enviromentalism.


I am an enviromentalist. Just not a lying whacko environmentalist, who is really about totalitarian socialism and the degradation of American economic success. Oh! It is a partison political issue.

"dogmatic Earth-centered theology
If Mr. Dreissen is referring in this statement to the infamous Galileo incident, his use of the word dogmatic is horribly incorrect. It is commonly misconstrued that the Church, acting in a means to silence any 'real' science, argued that Galileo's claims violated the Biblical view that the Earth was the center of the Universe.

However, the Church used evidence from Jesuit astronomers (many of which believed in Galileo's premise) that Galileo's conclusion was not tenable given his recorded data. Numerous Jesuits studied Galileo's work, and stated that Galileo had not satisfied the criteria that Aristotle had arrived at in denying helio-centrism: that the positions of the stars must change as the Earth's position in relation to the sun changed. The Catholic Church was the only religion in Europe willing to give Galileo a fair shot, as Protestants refused to consider his conclusion. Galileo underwent a trial because he over-stepped his bounds as a scientist and, without any formal training in theology or religion, said that the Church's interpretation of scripture was wrong.

'Dogma' is doctrine/belief that is central to an organization's/religion's existence. The Catholic Church nowhere relied on an Earth-centered theology as a defining characteristic. Also, dogmas don't change...and Catholics don't adhere to an Earth-centered 'theology' any longer.

Greenhouse Gas?
Termites are the single largest cause of the methane in Greenhouse Gas and any of you EnviroNazis squish one of those cute little bugs I will tell PETA on you!

Enviro-alarmists
Partisan politics is at the core of the AGW issue.

As a card-carrying member of the Vast-Right-Wing-Conspiracy, I do my part to limit AGW by driving slower, having a cooler house in the winter, not using A/C in the summer, recycling, and not watching TV (among other things). These are all individual choices (that just happen to reduce my costs as well as not hurt the earth so much). If everyone did this on their own, the debate would be over or at least much quieter. The Big Nasty Selfish Oil Companies would be forced to find alternative fuels, and car companies would look for eco-friendly models to increase profit.

AGW alarmists want extensive government involvement. The individual is too incompetent, selfish, and brutish (note the Hobbesian reference) to make a difference. Therefore, it is imperetive that government make our decisions for us.

The above reflects partisan politics: the right values personal choice, the left values government supremacy. I don't see how it is not a partisan issue.

Sowing and Reaping
Certainly, Mr. Mario, we are foolish indeed if we think that if we sow to the wind that we'll not reap the whirlwind. Faithful stewardship over animals and the earth's resources are not often reflected by our history, and a fallen nature and greed seem to be tenable explanations. Conversely, worshipping the creature more than the Creator seems to often be a result of those on the fringe of "Eco" movements. I don't lump everyone together, but man's impulse to worship something (self, God, nature)seems all too often to be taken too far, and hence all the recent doomsday predictions gone awry. While some zealous evangelists with dire apocalyptic predictions are around, their message is usually directed at personal actions and religious conversion. The nature worshippers, on the other hand, seem to want a reversion to more "earth friendly" times, like say, the stone age. All their posturing, of course, is with the implements (computers, media, cars, etc.) of what they believe has sealed our imminent destruction. Before Kyoto sends us all begging, prudence wants really good proof.

Don't tread on me posted,
" This is about growing government exponentially & controlling us more and more. They keep wanting to declare "The debate is over," and skip past the boring annoying matter of proof to get to the fun part of telling us what we can get, what we can have, and how we will live our lives."

Exactly! It's all about control of the masses. The socialists demand more government, so they create the faux-science of "global climate change" and blame the common man. That begats bigger government to "control" the problem (when they REALLY mean control the people).

Same tactic about guns: the socialists want to confiscate guns to "save the children" when the actual intent is to disarm the general public.

The internet must be controlled to "save the children" from on-line sexual predators, but the real goal is to stifle free speech which may counter the leftist propaganda. Look at the college campuses which literally prohibit the free exchange of ideas and only allow politically correct speech.

All the above (and more!) is the neo-socialism of the 21st century.


Of Corn and Climate
I am always reminded in the GW debate of the epidemic of neural-tube defects on the Texas-Mexico border back in the 1990s.

Anybody wanna guess who was taking the blame all these years?---Yep, factory work in the Maquilas, pollution, toxic waste, etcetera.


Turned out many lawsuits later that the real cause was fumonisin from a mold that grew on corn in particularly rainy years, and ended up in the expectant mothers' tortillas.

It just goes to show how activists will just plain go off when the presumed "bad guy" is one of their favorite targets, and that often the damage is done before science catches up.

Thanks, DavidMac. BTW...
... funny you should mention guns and the antigun movement.

You will recall that about a decade ago there was a full-court press to effectively ban US private gun ownership. One interesting feature of that debate was the tendency for "studies," whose conclusions seemed to argue against private ownership of firearms, to pop up continually like mushrooms after rain.

And like mushrooms, as we learned, they were nourished by B.S. & rot. Respected medical journals utterly prostituted their credibility by solemnly publishing articles that were later debunked and exposed as absolute garbage that got it wrong from first principles. Government agencies such as the CDC were shamelessly siding with and funding these purveyors of putrescent puke. Naturally, many Congresspersons & the Administration of that time were big fans of citizen disarmament, & slurped up all the bilge the "experts" could provide, using it to support their positions while funding more.

Like Crichton and the other critics going off the reservation now, bold "skeptics" like John Lott had to do an end run around the establishment to reveal the deceptive lies and distortions of the supposed anti-gun "scientific consensus" to eventually stop it in its tracks. (It didn't hurt that around that time the myth of peaceful low-crime no-gun Great Britain started to unravel before the world!)

So if I'm less than impressed with the "expertise" of the AGW booster tribe, or the fact that their articles get published in journals, or the backing they get in certain quarters of government such as leftieDem congresspersons, failed presidential candidates, and government agencies looking for new missions & funding, I think I have history on my side.

Who knows, maybe we can stave'em off until the NATURAL warming cycle runs its course.

I must admit, I get a kick every time the AGW movement gears up to hype their agenda, & nature refuses to cooperate. Here in our state, a couple of outfits with greencommie connections were having a conference in our major seaport telling them how much damage would be done to said city by the rising sea-level (said port city was, like New Orleans, built partially upon fill.) They of course would blame the rising sea level on AGW. Well, wouldn'tyaknowit, we have a record cold snap that weekend!

Remember back in 1990 when they were gearing up for the first push for restrictions and a treaty to combat global freed- er, warming, a volcano in Mexico blew up & we had a cool spring & summer? hee hee.

Remember this past spring, when the tropical climatologists called for an active hurricane season, & the AGWT activists were gearing up for the next Katrina or Hugo or Andrew, prepared to put on a big campaign blaming it on AGW? I think a lot of the pro-AGWT activities this past summer & fall were arranged in anticipation of having some big destructive storm to blame on it.

Ya gotta love it!

BUT, I'll say this again: you NEVER saw the most dedicated pro-AGWT politicians running for election on the AGWT & what they'll do about it! Never! Al Gore said little or nothing about it in the 2000 campaign! They want the Congress, or the POTUS & the Senate thru a treaty, or even the SCOTUS to order the EPA, to impose this thing on us! They don't want to make it an ELECTION issue, & end up having the focus shift to SPECIFIC POLICY PROPOSALS, & THEIR COSTS AND RESTRICTIONS on us THEY WOULD ENTAIL!

You'll notice most restricitve environmental law is stealthed upon us thru the EPA and long lead times, years after the passage of some innocuous-looking broad statement of environmental policy in a bill. No sitting Congressperson wants to have to admit he/she took away our cars and our air conditioners and chased our heavy industry away.

Don't Tread On Me
I like the way you say it ALL but you could have added;
People trust their LIVES to the judgment of these anti-gun doctors who seem more interested in partisan politics than medicine and demonstrate blind emotion plays a big part in their decission making.
How would you like to have some quack like that diagnose YOUR illness and proscribe treatment?
It sure inspires faith & trust dosen't it?

Skip:
First I noticed you only addressed one of my things that I say we do. Of course hunting is regulated, but we have hunted species into extinction (and near extinction) in the past, haven't we? What about our pollution, deforestation, etc? You do agree that this exists, correct? Well, being an "environmentalist" I'm sure you are.

"Obviously the fraudulent, totalitarian methods of the fear mongering enviromentalists has escaped your attention. Why indeed do we feel threatened? I guess it is because we are sane, and resent the junk scienceand radical leftist frauds who push radical enviromentalism."

Fraudulent and totalitarian, Skip? Please elaborate. I think you're just throwing words around here, but I'll give you a chance to back up your claim of totalitarianism.

As for "fear mongering", surely the left isn't the only ones guilty of that! I could provide examples of the right's pretty constant fear mongering over the past 6 years, but I'm trying to keep on point. Needless to say, a Righty accusing a Lefty of "fear mongering" is like the pot calling the kettle "black".

I fail to see how saying that our climate could change in the future if we don't start thinking eco-friendly is "Fear mongering". Being a little extreme, aren't we?

and DavidMac:

"Exactly! It's all about control of the masses. The socialists demand more government, so they create the faux-science of "global climate change" and blame the common man. That begats bigger government to "control" the problem (when they REALLY mean control the people)."

Seeing as how the lefties are against things like the outlawing of abortion, the prohibiting of gay marriage by the state, and so much more, it certainly seems as though these "socialists" are against more government. It is the right that continues to try to "control" the people, via marriage ammendments, abortion laws, combination of church and state (one of THE most effective ways to gain control of a population is to appeal to it's religion)...


"Look at the college campuses which literally prohibit the free exchange of ideas and only allow politically correct speech."

Having just recently graduated college, I can tell you that free exchanges of ideas were not only encouraged but common. In fact, I went to an Augustinian University, and the only time things were censored or forced to be "politically correct" was when the conservative administration deemed it necessary. If anyone was silenced it was the liberal point of view. When were you last in college?

You're making claims suggest that you're just repeating what you hear without doing any of the research yourself. Alot of the propaganda as evidenced by the quick use of buzz words like "socialism". Anyone who isn't happy with the current economic system in America is immediately labeled a "communist" or "socialist". Just like everyone who's against the war in Iraq is a "terrorist", right?

Don't Tread...
"Al Gore said little or nothing about it in the 2000 campaign!"

Actually, Gore didn't get heavily involved in GW, etc, until AFTER the 2000 election. That's probably why it wasn't mentioned.

What this article comes down to is money
The author doesn't want to spend any more money on better, more efficient energy research. He doesn't want to deal with the taxes, the time it would take for it to come to fruition. He references money constantly, it's very obviously his huge probelm with this movement.

He'd rather stick with the cheap energy he has, regardless of any detrimental effects it may have the environment, simply because it doesn't affect him.

That is selfishness and apathy to pretty much highest power right there.

Super Mario
Two words: Neuclear energy!
The waste from on power plant of 5 years of operation, could fit in the back of a pickup truck.
No harm to the environment, just return it where it came from.

This is why the environmental wackos have created so much disdane for their movement.
No common sense at all, even the guy who founded Green Peace, thinks Neuclear is a good idea.

I have been in the alternative energy buss. for several decades, and I can tell you that it is a pipe dream to think we can live on Solar or wind, wave action,or any other form of energy.
Neuc, is the answer,not utill the left quits demonizing it, we will always have an air polution problem.

Now who is the the wacko?

Sure Super Mario,
I'll be happy to respond. I did focus on which species you were claiming that we hunted to extinction. I mentioned the passenger pigeon because I believe that market hunting may in fact have resulted in their extinction.


My point is that game management assures that this kind of thing won'y happen again. I am sure you are aware of the Endangered Species Act, that closes thousands, perhaps millions of acres because of the claims of radical enviros who are embedded in the Forrest Services across the country.


Private property owners are told by the Federal Government that because of the POSSIBILITY that some obscure plant, bird or animal inhabits their property, that they can not develop their no longer private property.


Do you remember the fanatical government employees who planted lynx hair in order lock up acres under the Endangered Species Act? Lying, dishonest enviromental facists attempted a hoax, but didn't get away with that one. They should have been prosecuted, but they were not.


You also mentioned de-forrestation. I guess you are referring to clear cutting by logging companies. That practice is no longer used. I recently spoke with a totally commited environmentalist. He didn't even know that clear cutting was a thing of the past. That didn't dampen his fervor for working to eliminate the timber industry.


You also said that I didn't address the issue of pollution. OK! Whackos in the environmental movement, who sometimes refer to themselves as GREENS have been using junk science to try to convince everyone that greenhouse gasses from fossil fuels are responsible for Global Warming that will destroy the world any day now.


One major problem for them is that these self serving alarmists assured us that we would all become extinct decades ago. It looks as though we dodged the extintion bullet more than once. Could it possibly be that these idiots have no idea what they are talking about?


This article pretty much spells that out. You may be convinced that we are all doomed unless we ratify the Kyoto Treaty. The same kind of radicals tell us that trans fats will kill us, and red meat will kill us, etc.


Well guess what Mario, getting up every morning will eventually kill every one of us. That means you too pal. How many things have the thought/behavior police warned us about and later had their alarmist pronouncements debunked?


If totalitarianism is not what these enviromentalist frauds are pushing, why all the vilification of people who question the validity of their hysterical claims?

Did you even read this article? Paul Dreissen, the author, mentioned a guy named Ross Gelbspan, who said,

"Not only do journalists not have a responsibility to report what skeptical scientists say about global warming. They have a responsibility NOT to report what those scientists say".

There was also a reference to Greenpeace wanting "Climate Criminals" silenced.


Mr. Dreissen also mentioned Grist Magazine, that calls for "Nuremberg-style war crimes trials for climate disaster skeptics".


Now how in the devil can you fail to see the totalitarian overtones to these environmental activists? Scientists who dare question the conclusions these alarmists constantly assault us with should be put on trial? Journalists have a responsibility NOT to express any doubt about what these people say? That is insanity.


It is clear that you intentionally accept the fraudulent claims of these psuedo scientists who are engaged in the enviro hustle. They want anyone who interferes with that hustle silenced. I submit to you that they are criminals.


I think you mentioned that you have recently completed your education. That explains a lot. It is very likely that you are a victim of the leftist indoctrination unsuspecting children in public education are subjected to. I ALMOST feel sorry for you. The problem is that you spread your distorted views, and that is dangerous.


Waste Solar?
There are some cracks in the lava bed of N. CA where you can toss a rock in and wait,,,and wait,,,and wait,,,and hear a "click, KLACK" and a while later you hear "THUNK".
Those cracks go at least 1/2 way to hell!

I don't pretend to know anything about radiation but it seems to me that using those cracks to dump radioactive waste and chasing it with waste lead batteries would keep it safe.


MyOpine
I agree, also lead sealed, and encased in stainless steel, set at the Mariana trench, or a few miles off the Calif. coast, which is several miles down.
They would never be touched, or leak.
But we could never do that...(:

Is Global Warning Just Politics
It seems to me that Global Warming may just be politics. One side says that it is a great problem and the other side says balderdash. A good friend of mine is well-versed in this subject and he opined that GW has been going on for eons. There are large sections of the world that were under ice during the ice age. Which is it? Objectivity gets lost wtih politics.

Brujo Blanco
The Earth warms & cools on a regular cycle just as the four seasons are a normal weather pattern.
During the early years of mankind we were cursed with charlatins called Witches & Shamen, etc., who demanded men sacrifice to bring on springtime and summer and the fall harvest.
Today we are again cursed with charlatins demanding sacrifice who are Called "Environmentalists".
We still have about 300 years to go on this warming cycle but keep the faith and our Earth will gradually cool into another Ice Age just like it always has done for 4 billion years.
Don't let anyone trick you out of driving that SUV.

Hasta luego, White Witch
Time for me to head for the TV

Wrong, Super Mario
Did you REALLY graduate?

You posted, " Alot of the propaganda as evidenced by the quick use of buzz words like "socialism".

Socialism is a very real, very prevalent economic ideology on this planet. It runs counter to the free-market capitalism that the USA operates under.

Many Americans (approx. 20% of the population) think that socialism is preferable to capitalism. Neo-socialists advocate federal control of corporations and higher taxes, as well as egalitarianism enforced by law (social engineering).

You claim that the left doesn't want the government to pass laws affecting gay marriage or abortion. Fine with me. I'm not gay or a woman, and couldn't care less about those issues.

The leftists do need a bigger government. The right advocates competition in the marketplace (free markets), the left advocates government control of the marketplace. (NOTE: I'm trying to keep all this simple so you can follow)

The left (under socialism) would establish wage and price controls to insure egalitarianism. More government! More government workers would be needed to police the "benevolent" policies of the state, ostensibly to monitor the corporations' compliance. Read about HillaryCare.

Visit some of the socialists websites, see if that's the kind of government you want. Read Marx/Engels' literature, review the "benevolence" of socialist countries like Cuba, North Korea, the USSR, etc, (and the number of citizens they've killed).

I know Super Mario's neo-socialism wouldn't be Marxist socialism. It would be a little different. Not better, just different. You can give up some freedom, S.M., but I won't.

There are many good reasons why America isn't a socialist country. The main reason is that free-market capitalism actualy works. Vietnam keeps begging the US for economic assistance. I guess their 21st century socialism kinda sucks, huh? They fought that war against "American imperialism" and now they want us to send them aid. In college, did they teach you what "irony" means, S.M.?

Super Mario
You are mistaken about the timeline for Al Gore's enviroactivism. _Earth In the Balance_ was published in 1992, just before he became Vice President. I'm pretty sure he had been making a name for himself as Senator well before then; I seem to recall he was one of the vocal Congresspersons pushing for banning alleged ozone-depleting chemicals and possibly acid rain as well, maybe as far back as the late '80's. Gore was making this stuff his trademark issue at least a good decade before 2000, therefore I think it odd he suddenly went almost silent on it when he ran for POTUS himself (& I was watching & listening for it!).

And you could say "it's all about money," but while disasters can be evaluated in terms of money, the number of lost $ don't really reveal the full impact. You could say that the Great Depression reduced the GDP or the total value of the publicly traded stocks or any other index by so many billions of dollars, but would that capture the real impact it had on actual people and their standard of living?

The Great Depression was almost entirely artificially created (especially its long duration due to FDR's fascistic tinkering) and I fully expect energy-restricting policies predicated upon the AGWT to result in a permanent Great Depression Squared.

While I am all for innovation and progress, I reject the notion that it should be artificially coerced by decrees based on some unproven theory enshrined as dogma. When you argue a position based on alleged science, you become obligated to observe the scientific method and protocol, which means there is no such thing as a "consensus" or an authority deciding what is what.

The proposed changes and innovations in question should stand on their own merits and relative costs. I'll be the first to say some of them could have merit, as PRIVATE, VOLUNTARY investments & markets,without govt coercion. I can't see that even oil & coal co's wouldn't have something to gain; oil is still a valuable raw material for plastics & the like. Somebody back in the 1970's said it was a "chemical crime" to simply burn petroleum for fuel when it has so many other uses.

If you really want to follow "the money" (or the influence and power), ask yourself who stands to gain in a regime of energy rationing predicated on the AGWT?

To: Frey. Re: What money?
Indeed, let's talk about selective use of facts:

Yep, Imhofe was the #2 recipient of "big oil" money in 2002. Frey kindly refers us to a website that shows us that fact.

But the same website shows that he was not even in the top 20 in 2004 or 2006. Why is the more recent information not at least as relevant?

And what is wrong with accepting money from people/organizations who agree with you? Indeed, what is wrong with accepting money from people/organizations who disagree with you? (Kerry replaced Imhofe as the #2 recipient of "big oil" money in 2004.)

More to the point, what is so bad about "big oil"?

Aside from the fact that we all sin and fall short of God's glory, there are lots of international players that I would place further on the Bad Scale than "big oil." UN, Greenpeace, NEA, big government (cf grantmaking based on PC), William Jefferson, William Jefferson Clinton, and Tom DeLay come immediately to mind. And at least ExxAramBP produces something we need to make our lives better and easier to manage.

A lump of high sulfur coal into Frey's Christmas stocking this year.
TimC

Tim
Inhofe was not running in 2004 or 2006, so he had no campaign records or financing for those years (He was probably filling his war chest, but it wouldn't go on the books until the actual election.)

"And what is wrong with accepting money from people/organizations who agree with you?"

Nothing, as long as you decide your position independent of the size of the pocketbooks of those who agree. Maybe Inhofe believes that global warming is a hoax from a careful consideration of the evidence, we can't read his mind. But the question of who is funding a politician is relevent. If you don't believe it is, I'm afraid you have a somewhat naive view of politics in this country.

Frey: re motivators
It always seems to me that whenever someone tries to champion conservative positions or resist some leftist initiative, they get accused of being self-interested, & a lot of attention gets focused on who contributed to their campaigns.

For example, a decade ago resistance to citizen disarmament was characterized as pandering to the business interests of gun manufacturers and dealers. That one didn't really even pass the laugh test, but it persisted for as long as the antigun campaign of the '90's did.

In this kind of debate, the backers and probable motivations of the ringleaders for the leftist positions never seem to come under the same scrutiny. A presumption is made (esp. by the pop media) that their motives are pure and altruistic.

Two particular elephants in the room always get ignored in this matter:

1. Very large companies, apart from the kind of mau-mauing they get from partisans like Sen. Snowe v. Exxon, often have perverse competitive interests in strict regulation, especially the kind that tends to make overhead and capital costs skyrocket. Large companies want to slough off competition from small competitors in their markets that depress the market price of commodities thru competition. I'm sure certain large fuel suppliers would be willing to accept byzantine restrictive regulations if they would tend to overwhelm small operators and raise the market price of the product. That has happened in many other areas of environmental law.

2. Finally, the logic of the anthrogenic global warming dogma leads directly to world socialist totalitarian government that will be dictating to everyone with regard to everything having to do with their energy consumption, in effect, controlling virtually every aspect of their lives. This would be a quantum leap in the power of those fortunate enough to be influential in said government.
Arguably, everyone who aspires to have a secure job telling other people what to do stand to realize their dream thru AGWT. In my view, this selfish avaricious ambition dwarfs any mere commercial motivation anyone else might have. It is arguably one of the most dangerous political phenomena to come onto the scene since fascism and Soviet Communism, which IMO it will resemble but be carried to the ultimate degree.
Why is the motivation of growing government, and one's career based on it, never scrutinized or considered as a corrupt motive?
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