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Saturday, February 24, 2007
Patrick Hynes :: Townhall.com Columnist
2008: Authentic statesmen versus synthetic politicians
by Patrick Hynes
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A narrative is beginning to form among the top-tier of presidential candidates of both parties. This narrative is not ideological in scope or definition. We are seeing two pools of candidates form: Authentic ones whose positions on key issues are fixed, perhaps even to the point of damaging their electoral potential and synthetic ones whose “evolving” positions on key issues seem specifically designed to improve these candidates’ chances at the polls.

Today I would like to look at two candidates’—one authentic, the other synthetic—views on the war in Iraq.

Sen. John McCain (my client) is nothing if not authentic on matters of national security and defense. McCain supported sending more troops into Iraq long before President George W. Bush came to see it as a necessary move. His position on Iraq has been praised even by those conservatives who are highly critical of him on other policy matters.

And yet, McCain’s position is not a popular one with the public at-large. Americans are remarkably sour on the Iraq War. In a mid-February AP-Ipsos poll, 56% of respondents said the Iraq War is a “hopeless cause,” as opposed to 39% who said it is a “worthy cause.” In the same poll, only 32% agreed that sending more troops to Iraq would stabilize the situation there.

As I have said to a number of my conservative friends, if McCain seeks only accolades from the mainstream press corps, as they often claim (McCain himself even once joked about the press being his “base”), surely he would have flip-flopped here and turned against this war, no?

Of course, there is precedent for flip-flopping on the war, but it comes from the other side of the partisan aisle. Both Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) and former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina have evolved in their thinking on this important subject. Both Clinton and Edwards voted to authorize the invasion of Iraq in 2002.

Edwards’s reversal on Iraq has been clean and precise. He has either completely altered his thinking on this issue or he has made a calculated reversal to placate his party’s anti-war base. Either way, he made a clean break from his vote and now says, “I was wrong” for having voted to authorize the invasion, usually to loud applause from anti-war, Democratic crowds.

Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, has opted for a slow lurch to the anti-war position that lacks the cathartic relief of Edwards’s reversal. Slowly, over the course of several months, Clinton has 1) been unapologetic in defense of her pro-war stance; 2) criticized President Bush for dismissing out-of-hand suggestions for early troop withdrawal; 3) rejected both a “rigid timetable the terrorists can exploit and an open timetable that has no ending attached to it”; 4) taken “responsibility” for her vote while at the same time criticizing the president for “misusing” the authority she granted him; 5) claimed President Bush “misled” the Congress about what he would do with this authority; and 6) recently introduced a measure in the Senate to begin withdrawing troops from Iraq within 90 days.

In short, her position on Iraq is very, shall we say, Clintonian.

There is no reason to believe Clinton’s tortured posturing on Iraq is damaging her electoral standing, however. Her aggregate lead over Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), her chief opposition in the Democratic primary at this point, is 18.2%, according to Real Clear Politics.

What is more, the two national public figures most associated with authentic, unyielding support for the war—President Bush and Sen. John McCain—are suffering at the polls. Almost 60 percent of Americans disapprove of Bush’s job performance. And former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani has opened up a significant lead over Sen. McCain in recent weeks (though it should be noted, Mayor Giuliani is no slouch on the subject of national defense and the War in Iraq).

This evidence suggests Sen. Clinton’s inauthentic posturing on the war is the right thing to do, politically speaking. And yet, the latest Quinnipiac University poll shows McCain beating Clinton in a theoretical, though entirely plausible, head-to-head match-up in the General Election. How can this be?

Well, issues matter. But elections are about choices. In my experience, intangibles such as reliability, likeability and especially authenticity play significant roles in swaying the hearts and minds of voters, though they are difficult, perhaps impossible, to quantify. This is one reason why some conservatives are giving Mayor Giuliani who, along with McCain is another shamelessly authentic candidate, a good, hard look in the Republican primary. Indeed, it is probably why President Bush won a second term over his challenger Sen. John Kerry (D-MA). In difficult times and when faced with difficult choices, as we Americans undoubtedly are abroad, the courage of conviction trumps the pusillanimity of evolution every time.

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Patrick Hynes is the president of New Media Strategics, a blog relations consultancy. He is the proprietor of Ankle Biting Pundits and the author of In Defense of the Religious Right (Nelson Current).

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RINO Redux
McCrazy and Giuliani will never get my vote... EVER.

If I feel like voting for a liberal, then I'll cast my vote for a Dem and at least vote for someone who's honest about their liberalism.


To Mr Hynes
You are right in as far as the war goes. McShame has taken a position that true conservatives can support. he has taken a position on everything else that conservatives hate.

On Gun issues, low marks from the NRA.

On supporting Republicans to get conservative judges he gets the gang of 14.

On supporting free speech, he joins with the most liberal Democrat in the Senate to stifle speech.

On stifling fraud in Government, he gets AGW legislation with another liberal democrat/independent.

In short, he supports all the issue I am against and is against all the issues I am for, except support for the war.

Let me think about supporting him....naaah, not today.

Vic
Good one, Vic.

Now, THIS is an authentic Statesman
Ron Paul, on his presidential platform

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPlPT4bncq8&eurl=

Mr. Hynes
I predict the negative comments regarding your client to outstrip the positive ones by, oh, 30 to one here at TH today. And I'm being generous.

Judging by this informal poll, I'd say he stands a zero chance of getting the Repub nomination. And you are the only person I know who would apply the term "statesman" to this guy, outside of the MSN, that is.

Heck, even Kimberly has it right about him. You're wasting your breath.

Sen. McCain,
...a member of the McCain Party, has spent his entire political career advancing McCainism. Easily infuriated, he will quickly turn on his colleagues to undercut them as completely and relentlessly as possible.

If the Republican party is so foolish as to nominate McCain for the 2008 Presidential election, he had best hope that his opponent is the hillabeast because she is probably the only creature who could bring out a negative vote high enough to assure his success.

McCain
Won't get my vote.

He is a spoiled Navy Brat and has no concept of realism.

Mr. Hynes
Conservatives are not upset with McCain's stand on the war, but with his rhino stands on other issues. That's his real problem.

He has too many views line up with the dims.

Get with it and tell the truth or tell him the truth.

Simple to decipher..
Compare voting records with campaign promises - synthetics flip-flop where as authentics are rigid.

McCain
Two deceased relatives who were WWII vets both commented that while McCain may have served honorably in the military, he's not done the same in politics.

A plus and a minus
This says it all: "Sen. John McCain (my client) is nothing if not authentic on matters of national security and defense."

The good news is the honest disclosure -- the author is employed by McCain. This is no "sock puppet" but someone with the courage to say exactly what his motives are.

The bad news is that McCain is not terribly "authentic". At first he seemed ready to to take Bush to the mat on prisoner abuse. But then he stood by smiling as Bush issued a signing statement saying he would ignore the McCain provision against torture. The episode make McCain look more like a posturing pol than authentic.

Watch this please
You guys REALLY should watch this. It's not long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPlPT4bncq8&eurl=

psycho
Despite all your blather, Mr. Hynes, your client is still a psycho.

I Would vote for Beelzebub

.....to keep that Democrat trio of Socialists out of the White House ...having said that ...I think the odds of McCain getting the Republican nomination are about a billion to one ...

.....right now ...because of the situation in the Middle East I am leaning toward Giuliani because of his Commander-in-Chief potential ...

.....Giuliani is a moderate Libertarian rather than a hard right conservative but his social views have a low priority with me in a time of war ....Giuliani/Santorum is a lock in '08 .....COLOSSUS

.....

While we're piling on...
McCain's ideas of how to deal with immigration will fulfill all the conspiracy theories of Canada, the U.S., and Mexico becoming one country. Another of his legacies is the "Gang of 14", the congressional equivalent of the U.N. Security Council, blocking the effort to install justices to a supreme court that believes the constitution actually means what it says. If you are not willing to support the right of the President of your own party to select his choice of judges for the courts, then you belong in another party. It is for these reasons and others that I will not vote for McCain.

surveying the sorry field
I hope that Sen. Juan McQuisling is indeed history... I have had more than enough of a disingenuous RINO neoCON embracer of Scamnesty and the North American Union in Presidente Jorge!

Rudy also worries me, but not as much as Shrillary the socialist masquerading as a moderate to gain election. Rudy apparently embraces ILLEGALS-- that could be a stopper right there.

I honestly do not know yet where Romney's agenda compass points. Our system has become so perception and money driven that we seem to end up with choices that neither party is really enamored about-- odd isn't it? Hubert Humphrey said tellingly of Jimmuh Carter: there is a difference between the ability to gain election and the capacity to govern. The MM both make and break candidates-- see Howard Dean-- they like drama... and closet libs (Sen. Juan McQuisling).

Dubya did not really beat Gore... the electorate was SO divided by the Hobson's choice that SCOTUS had to make a call. The 'Crats backed into Kerry, the feckless windsurfer gigolo public traitor (with the changed surname and religion) who had managed to accomplish NOTHING in 18 years in the Senate.

So far, I cannot discern who Romney really is, but he is NOT amnesty champion gadfly John McQuisling, who put his name on two WRETCHED bills with far lefters Feingold and Teddy Chappaquiddock.... and he is NOT the amoral Hildabeest... that leaves at least some hope for him-- for now. Rudy has embraced ILLEGALS way
too much for my support-- we will lose America FOREVER if we cannot stop Scamnesty for 60-100 million undereducated indigent "new Americans" (Heritage estimate of effects of Kennedy-McQuisling Scamnesty) who would inevitably remake it into a third world entitlement state.

As a careful student of politcs, I have also noticed how strange little things have a disproportinate influence on the course of events. Politics is a strange game... nobody remembers that Ross Perot really got Slick elected [in a two-man race, daddy Bush would have been re-elected]. Then, ironically, the public so repudiated "Hillary care" socialism in '94 that a Republican wave came to Congress and forced Slick to move right, which helped him beat too old/no real message Dole. It was then Republican-driven spending restraint, welfare reform, and emphasis on crime control that helped re-elect Slick and that he would later claim credit for as personal achievements.

Then Shrillary parlayed Slick's serial philandering into a Senate seat, which gave the world's smartest woman a platform to run for President! Even liberal analysts opined: never before has an aggrieved woman turned it into a U.S. Senate seat!

McCain, Paul and "true conservatives"
Hell, yes, let’s get Ron Paul on the stump. He and Obama can argue about the historical isolationism that is America’s legacy to the world since 1919 (isn't it?). Nobody in his right mind would question the representative validity of a debate in which both major candidates think that the US should get out of the world affairs business. Just think of how confused the peaceniks will be: “Do I vote for a pseudo-libertarian isolationist or a civil-libertarian isolationist? Decisions, decisions…”

While we’re at it, let’s castigate and assassinate the character and personal record of every viable Republican presidential candidate. As we all know, science will be able to bring back Reagan from the grave and re-animate him for another term. And we can find a way around that pesky presidential term limit issue for Ronnie. So we don’t need to worry about finding someone who gives us most of what we want and can be elected – we can afford to hold out for ideological purity. That didn’t hurt us much in the past, now did it?

Heaven forbid that we continue the big-tent strategy that made conservatism ascendant in the United States and gave us the longest period of general prosperity in known history. For a bit of perspective, let’s look at the general standard of living in the United States during the Roaring Twenties (the previous period of prosperity that was longest) and compare that to the general standard of living during the latest recession. The latest recession has it by a landslide (we were all MUCH better off than in the 20’s) –- so let’s take our prosperity for granted and stop promoting the political environment that made it possible. Let's forget the 80-20 rule: we never get more than 80% of what we want in a candidate. Let's further let our repugnance at the 20% of his or her policies with which we disagree lead us to permit the election of someone with whom we disagree 80% of the time -- or more. That's how we got Jimmy Carter, and look how well that turned out...

It amazes me in the internet age
How little still people know about the candidates.
Hey basballdoc, Rudy is far from conservative and definately not a libertariam with gun control stances.
I would consider him what they call a Neo Con, in essence a socialist demo in Repub clothing.

reply to JP
Rather a bit peremptorily supercilious/presumptuous there, fella. There is nothing wrong with people wanting really to understand where candidates appear to stand on key issues, albeit I agree that establishing 100% litmus tests might eliminate everyone. A key reason that Dubya has disappointed so terribly is that he was deceptive about his REAL agenda in some crucial areas: neoCON goals, Scamnesty, and Big Government spending, e.g. He had eschewed nation building, then attempted just that-- recklessly, and at great cost to America. He had implied that he was a fiscal conservative, but has spent money and grown the government like a born again drunken sailor 'Crat.

Sometimes in playing for a bigger tent, there is a danger of losing the forest for eyeing the trees too much. In this era of the packaged pols, we need to try hard to discern what are their core beliefs. Regan clobbered carter because Jimmuh seemed feckless and defeatest, not so much becuase of a promised different message. Then he proved to be a real leader with a vision who would cut taxes and try to reign in government growth... those appealed to well more than half of the electorate and proved successful. Many came to appreciate him much more in hindsight.

One last point-- I am a limited government fiscal constraint conservative and proud Reagan supporter, but you give same too much credit for the modern boom we have enjoyed... our system of commerce and technological advancements have had much more to do with the improvement of the average standard of living... it has also gotten quite a lot better in many countries with quite different governments... Germany and Japan roared back from utter devastation, but neither by allowing their countries to be overrun by the third world, undereducated indigent ethnically/ culturally/language disparate like some "conservatives" now favor. The devil IS in the details.

Statesmen you say?
None mentioned are statesmen. All are politicians.

Statesmen would go the the Nations capitalwhen called upon to do so, do the States' business as called upon to do and then go home, to live with what they've done.

Politicians go when they want to, stay as long as they can manage to and never return to live within the mess they create as absentee citizens.

Forget going home via $300,000 per trip transportation. Go, accomplish purpose, and return, to help select some one who has been "under your spell" during your term. Ask that person, to go, serve and act upon the "current" State venue of "critical" issues.

We gotta get these parasites off the host and back onto the "local" economy. And soon.

Ron Paul

I watched the RP video, and while I hear good comments about him I'm afraid I did not hear ANYTHING about how he would govern. What he would do to give us back our freedom or how he would change the "system" to enable or enable our responsibility. Perhaps I need to look more carefully at other speeches, his records. How does he stand on abortion? On Euthanesia? On the tax code? On fighting terrorism - not that he is for fighting it, but HOW? Etc., etc., etc.

I'll try to do that.

Ed

John McCain
John McCain has promoted some very self-serving and dangerous programs for America. The McCain/Fiengold Campaign Finance Reform Act being one of the most disasterous.
Beside being devastating to Constitutional rights of free speach, it knowingly allowed the loophole for Indian tribes brought about by the Federal Election Commission's 2000-05 ruling. McCain was informed of this loophole many times from many different sources prior to the passage of the bill. Now he claims that it was an unintended consequence. As a result he is the recipient of one of the largest, unaccoutable campaign finance contributions from tribes. His position on the Senate Indian Affairs Committee is reason enough to avoid his campaign at all cost.

No one to vote for yet.
At least from those in the MM.

I say Ron Paul & Tom Tancredo. (Hope I spelled Tom's last name correctly).

Rudi, John, Hillary, Oboma, Newt the talk no walk
(I have in in mind the Contract that never happened...)...I'd yawn if the issue were not so important. Time to pray! instead of yawn.

If we do not have either Ron or Tom on the ticket I'll probably vote for the Libertarian or other independent...If the Constitution Party does not have any one that is.

This country is getting so lost...!!!

SamW

Doc
Here's some links to find out more about Ron Paul.

http://www.myspace.com/congressmanronpaul
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul-arch.html
http://www.house.gov/paul/
Plus, you can go to google video and search for "Ron Paul" and there are a number of video links:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=%22ron+paul%22&hl=en

By the way, he's supposed to be in the first round of debates next month in New Hampshire. It will be televised by CNN.

He's the real deal.

Ralph
You said, "McCain's ideas of how to deal with immigration will fulfill all the conspiracy theories of Canada, the U.S., and Mexico becoming one country. "

You know what, this is getting more than frustrating. I have posted links to Judicial Watch where you can look at the docs they received under FOIA requests. I have linked to legislation in the House where they are denouncing the plan to merge us. I have shown you where a plethora of state governments are doing the same. Several Congressman have had the intestinal fortitude to speak out about it. etc., etc., etc.

Clearly, you are not looking at this information, because you would not be calling it a conspiracy theory.

Will you please take the time and go look at the information?

truthserum
The "field" as you put it, is better than it has been in years. For the first time in a VERY long time, we have the chance to actually get behind and elect someone GREAT.

Now, these people are not going to get the contributions from big business, unions, or other lobbies, because they HAVE NOT SOLD OUT. So, if you really mean what you say, and want to stop the invasion of illegal aliens, reinstate our Bill of Rights, work to return us to sound money, get us out of the UN, get government out of our lives, and just basically get us back to a limited Constitutional government, NOW IS THE TIME. These few need your contributions to stand a chance in heck of battling the political machinery.

You know what I think. In my opinion, Ron Paul is the best thing since sliced bread. Go check him out, folks. We will not have this chance again.

truthserum
That last post was not so much to you, but to everyone.

hear good things about Ron Paul
Liberty--
I need to study Ron Paul, but I hear good things from credible sources-- such as yourself. That said, Rudy, Juan McQuisling and Romney have more mojo at the moment-- they seem way too familiar a la the Dubya "we can take all of that crowd for granted" routine. Our electoral process was always been too influenced by power/$/interest groups [see "Mr. Smith Goes To Washington" in 1938], but it has gotten even worse. The field SHOULD BE wide open this time given the rare lack of heirs apparent, but my strong hunch is that a Ron Paul would have trouble getting traction in time. Vilsack could not get to 1B among the 'Crats... I doubt that some others seen as also-ran candidates among the conservatives will either.

Respect McCain but...
As a Vietnam Vet I hold Sen McCain in the highest regard; similarly so for his support of our Commander in Chief and his noble and correct perseverence in the Iraqi war.

But he is also the purveyor, is he not, of the McCain-Feingold Campaign so-called Finance Reform Bill? Naivete comes to mind in his support for a bill that brought us 527s and keeps others from joining the presidential race later in the game, such as Newt. I must say I prefer a leader who will not sit in the same room as a Feingold, must less come up with such dangerous legislation as a self-righteous joint venture to save us fools from the effects of money.


Ron Paul
Listened to his U-Tube talk. Help me now, I understand what he believes in but what does he stand for in the realities of today?

John McCain
John McCain is all over the place with some of his views. He may support the President in sending more troops to Iraq but he does not stand with American when it comes to teerorists who have been taken prisoner. He is more concerned for them and the world's opinion of America than the protection of America.

authentic doesn't mean good
What is wrong with conservatives? Conservatives support either Rudy Giuliani, who thinks the 2nd amendment is about hunting, or John McCain, who think that the 1st amendment doesn't protect political speech, or Mitt Romney, who sticks his finger in the wind to make sure he's saying what he thinks people want to hear. Maybe Giuliani and McCain are authentic, but so what? They don't support freedom, and who knows what Romney really supports.

Why do conservatives pour money into these candidates coffers? Ron Paul knows that the 2nd amendment is a check on the power of government, not a protection from hunters. Ron Paul knows that the 1st amendment protects political speech. Ron Paul has no wavered in his views. Ron Paul is the only candidate who will reduce the size of government.

Ron Paul clearly supports conservative issues better than any Republican candidate, but so-called conservatives send their money to Giuliani, McCain, and Romney. Conservatives should put their money where their mouths are on the issues - with Ron Paul.

http://freedomistheanswer.blogspot.com/

To get even half-authentic statesman
How about make annexation of Canada (but not Mexico) official and let Harper run for Pres?

Authentic
McCain is also authentic on two issues: campaign finance (non)reform and illegal immigration and seriously wrong on both.
To me the 2008 election is a one-issue one. Who can best lead the country in World War IV-the war that we are in with radical Islamists?
Is there a Democrat who could be trusted with this?
Maybe Lieberman, but he may switch parties having been dissed by the Democrats. None of the other Democrat candidates have a clue about how to defend the country.
Obama is a a light weight. All blow and no go.
I would vote for McCain over any Democrat, but would hold my nose while I did it.
Rudy would be more trustworthy about defense, but I don't like some of his other poliicies-gay marriage, abortion, but all that will be moot. Radical Islamists wouldn't allow either of those.
Donald W. Bales


truthserum
Well, truthserum, we can't just throw in the towel. Ron Paul is SO on a different scale than the other candidates. I know of no human being that has more integrity or is more honorable. I know that sounds like I'm saying a lot there, but understand that I have been reading his articles/papers and watching his votes for well over 20 years. At one point, he took some time off from D.C. and returned to his medical practice. Even then, he made some videos in which he lectured on some basic principles of liberty. I still have that set of videos. A variety of his talks were shown on our local Access channel through the years. I say all this, because I know for a fact that this man is one of the last honest men in Washington, D.C.

I always hear conservatives talk about wanting so much to get someone in office that will walk his talk. That stands up for the Constitution and liberty, in all dealings. Dr. Paul is that man.

You are right that the political machinery will not be behind him. And why do you think that is? Because he will NOT sell out. Not now. Not ever! The crooks and those that do not stand for constitutional principles (i.e. having a different agenda altogether) will absolutely hate him. I have no doubt whatsoever that he will veto any legislation that is unconstitutional.

Most people here moan about how much socialism has increased in our country. Well, do you want to do something about it, or NOT?

Don't let the media pick our President!

Note: I read a comment from a poster on his myspace page that Dr. Paul will be on Lou Dobbs Tonight on Monday evening. I don't know if that is true or not.


http://www.myspace.com/congressmanronpaul

Mr. Hynes article on Senator McCain
It's positive to talk about his support for the war. His position is a popular one among conservatives. I would never vote for a candidate who supports illegal immigration. McCain has made himself very unpopular in Arizona, his home state, for this stance. All the damage that illegals have done to Arizona and he still doesn't get it. Amazing!!! All maturity wards along the border have had to close. Citizens now have to go hours away to Tucson to hospitals. People's property and their safety is in jeopardy, etc. And McCain just turns a blind eye.

Barbara

propaganda
McCain is one of the biggest whores in the business. He panders on nearly every issue: amnesty for illegal aliens, income redistribution, laws restricting political speech, laws against interrogating terrorists, etc., etc. And you wonder with his national security positions if he isn't twisting words.

Why are we seeing this propaganda here?

Liberty

Ron Paul on "you tube".

Of the three essentials on giving a "talk":

1. Choice of words - Good. He enunciates well. When I close my eyes and listin to him he speaks very distinctly and is easily understood. Good voice for TV

2. Tone of voice - O.K. Moderate inflection. Needs to pause more for emphasis and modulate better.

3. Countenance - Not so good. This part of any speech "says" more than anything else. Over 70% of what a person communicates is done by body language. He really needs a speech coach if he expects to go very far as a presidential candidate. Somebody like Bert Decker could really help him. (He can be found on Google.) Also, he is not going to be sitting much as a candidate which is another reason for getting some help because what he does with his body while he is standing will deterimine his "presidential" posture.

It is not so much as what he says as much as it how he says it. He really needs to work on "projecting". If Paul could say what he was saying like Obama or Reagan, he would be terrific. With some practice, I think he could do it.

Sonny
I think those are good suggestions.

However, don't you find the following to be a troubling state of affairs in our country?... "It is not so much as what he says as much as it how he says it." I think it is an accurate reflection of reality though.

replies to the faithful
merry_go_boy... thanks for the kind words-- I blushed Republican red!

Liberty-- thanks for the link to Ron Paul's site:
http://www.myspace.com/congressmanronpaul
There is a lot of info to wade thru there... anyone who would like to read some of his position papers can click on "What Ron Paul Thinks" on the upper right.

Sonny suggested that Ron Paul's delivery is wanting, if not his message; I must agree... he comes across rather professorial. At first blush, I agree with much of what he says (he speaks inconvenient truths about neoCONS, feckless expensive foreign involvements, the ILLEGAL invasion, our foreign aid being mostly squandered buying off disparate parties in the M.E., etc.), but it is so true today that delivery is important also. He takes positions counter to those backed by the power and money-- admirable, but a tough row to hoe. He is correct that we have devolved too much into a govt. controlled by special interests for special interests [AARP (#1 most influential-- with self-serving socialism at its core), AIPAC etc. (#2), the medical/drug industry gravy train, the reconquista lobby, e.g.]. Lincoln had a high, unappealing voice, but few ever knew that back then when they READ his often eloquent words. Notwithstanding Shrillary's supercilious/know-it-all, Bucky Beaver demeanor (afterall, she got her Senate seat as the faithful aggrieved woman because Slick was a philandering pig), image and delivery matter in the TV age... Nixon beat Kennedy in their debates-- per those who only HEARD them only on the radio!

Eyes on the prize--
Agree that Sen. Juan McQuisling is a total neoCON RINO vote/power prostitute-- just like Presidente Jorge! They embrace the North American Union and Scamnesty with traitorous, shameless self-aggrandizing zeal! The media loves him because he sucks up to them, and they like controversy, especially the discord among Republicans that he foments. All one need know about that phoney is that his name is on two atrocious bills along with socialists Feingold and Teddy Chappaquiddock.

Ron Paul/Alan Keyes
I haven't been able to see the Ron Paul video yet. My 45.2Kbps modem connection is working hard to get it for me, though.

But the comments about Ron Paul remind me of a candidate in the 2004 elections, Alan Keyes. I saw one speech that he gave and I was thoroughly impressed. He didn't need handlers to help him form positions and he didn't need the questions to be scripted. After his speech, he took random questions from the crowd and replied with a thorough understanding of each topic and spoke on many of the issues from a constitutional position. I felt that he was a very viable candidate, but he wasn't allowed into the debates and got little to no coverage from the media, a political candidate's death sentence. So if Ron Paul is all that and a ham sandwich, he'd better get his face in front of the American people, and often.

The Iraq War is the real problem
The basic message I'm getting out of all these polls is that no one who advocates continued U.S. military involvement in the Iraq War is going to be elected President in 2008.

Voters elected Eisenhower in 1952 because he promised to find an end to Truman's Korean War. Voters elected Nixon in 1968 because he promised to end LBJ's Vietnam War.

Now it's clear from the public's mood that they want the Iraq War to end ASAP too. Victoriously if possible, but without victory if necessary. It's more likely that a Democrat will propose doing that than a Republican.

McCain, Guiliani, Romney
As a Vietnam Veteran, I have a lot of respect for McCain's military service. As a life long Republican I could not vote for him. I like his stance on the war in Iraq but that is it. Rudy did a great job in NY but I have a lot of problems with him also. Romney, if I wanted a flipflopper I could've voted for Kerry(bite my tongue).

MorningCoffee
Ron Paul will be on Lou Dobbs, Monday evening.

truthserum -- Ron Paul
I've met the man, and the last thing he is is "professorial". He's a very down to earth guy.

As far as his intestinal fortitude for standing up, bucking the powers that be and laying out the real issues and their solutions ... yes, it is a toe row to hoe. So, what do we do, truthserum? Throw in the towel? Admit defeat? Go along with the crowd while our country drives fully into socialism?

Standing up and being counted always takes guts. But, isn't our country worth it?

This is one of the biggest opportunities we have had in a long time. I hope we do not squander it.

correction
Sorry, meant "tough row to hoe".

None of the top three
This conservative will not vote for McCain, for reasons stated above, McCain/Kennedy, McCain/Feingold, gang of 14, etc. Rudy is just a liberal, period. If I wanted that I'd be a Democrat. Romney has been everywhere on all sides of all issues. Too slick by half. My own favorite of those annouced is Duncan Hunter. He said recently, "I don't need expensive consultants, I pretty much know where I stand on issues". Solid on border security without coming across as stridently as Tom Tancredo can. Love Tom for his solid stance, but not sure he can carry a a national campaign. Newt Gingrich is one of the brightest, most astute politicians I've seen, but with negatives as high as 64% there is no way he could get elected. I will look closer at Ron Paul, but as noted here earlier, he has to work on presentation. Unfortunately in today's world it is how you come across on T.V. that can make or break a candidacy.

No Chance
McCain has no significant support for president even in Arizona. He couldn't win our own presidential primary.
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