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Monday, May 14, 2007
Pat Toomey :: Townhall.com Columnist
Big Apple Success Story
by Pat Toomey
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Today, the Club for Growth released its fourth presidential white paper on former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s economic record. These white papers are extensively researched and seek to provide readers with a thorough analysis of the candidates’ economic records during their time in public office.

Over the past couple of months, critics and supporters alike have cherry-picked one or two issues out of Rudy Giuliani’s extensive record to bolster their pro or con stance.

However, any exploration of a candidate’s record must take into account the larger picture and the unique context in which that record is achieved. In New York City, Rudy Giuliani governed a locality dominated by liberal Democrats; public-sector labor unions; social-welfare activists; and a powerful local news media actively hostile to a limited-government philosophy. In the face of such tremendous headwind, Giuliani’s economic accomplishments are remarkable.

Elected in 1993, on the heels of the largest annual tax increase in the city’s history, Giuliani inherited a city crippled by high taxes, ballooning deficits, and stalled job growth. Despite these obstacles, Mayor Giuliani wasted no time in calling for $1 billion in tax cuts over the next four years, slashing city jobs, and cutting city-funded spending in real terms by more than $340 million. Over the rest of his eight years at Gotham’s helm, Giuliani reduced a slew of other taxes and kept spending at an all-time low.

Giuliani is often criticized for large spending increases during the surplus years, but it is instructive to compare his spending record with that of his predecessors and successor. Over the 1980’s, city spending increased by an average of 7.11 percent, while 1991-1994 saw an average spending increase of 4.68 percent. In contrast, city spending during Giuliani’s eight years increased just barely, by an average of 2.84 percent — a remarkable number given the 2.9 percent population-plus-inflation benchmark. In addition, city spending as a percentage of GCP (gross city product) decreased from 10.9 percent to 9.3 percent — meaning, the size of government as a percentage of the economy actually decreased under Giuliani’s tenure. Mayor Giuliani’s relative spending restraint is all the more impressive compared with the 10.01 percent average increase in spending under Mayor Bloomberg’s first term.

On both taxes and spending, Giuliani certainly deserves criticism for isolated indiscretions. During the surplus years, Giuliani loosened the purse strings, and much like his predecessor, David Dinkins, he continued to lavish corporate welfare on pet companies and projects, including his precious baseball stadiums. Giuliani opposed the federal line-item veto after Clinton vetoed a line-item forgiving New York State’s Medicaid debt, and opposed a number of tax cuts over his eight years.

Overall though, Giuliani’s record on taxes and spending displays an intuitive appreciation for the vital role tax cuts play in growing the economy and a determination to cut the fat out of government. It is important to remember that Gotham’s economic revival was due, in large part, to Giuliani’s determination to stimulate a stagnant economy by cutting taxes and spending, even in the face of fierce opposition. While Giuliani’s record on taxes and spending is not perfect, he deserves a lot of credit for tackling a municipal culture long addicted to taxing and spending itself into the ground.

Giuliani demonstrated the same steely resolve and free-market mindset when it came to taking on New York City’s welfare rolls and overbloated bureaucracy, and fighting for school choice.

While Giuliani opposed federal welfare reform — even suing the government over the matter — his opposition did not stem from a philosophical disagreement, but from the burdens the legislation placed on local governments already in the process of implementing welfare. In fact, welfare recipients under Giuliani’s administration dropped from 1.1 million in 1994 to under 500,000 in 2001 — the lowest level in 35 years and a drop of more than 50 percent. This accomplishment marked the first time since July 1966 that New York City had less than 500,000 people on public assistance.

When it came to removing government’s heavy handprint from the private sector, Giuliani was just as merciless, privatizing many elements of New York City’s bulky bureaucracy. From maintenance of the city parks, to water meter reading, to the city’s homeless shelters, Giuliani relegated these responsibilities and many others to private sector companies. He sold many entities he felt the city had no business owning — why in the world did New York City own off-track betting facilities? — and turned over thousands of city-owned properties to private owners and developers

And though Giuliani began his mayoral career opposed to school choice, he soon became a passionate advocate for competition in the education market. Though he was ultimately unsuccessful in forcing even a pilot school vouchers program on his liberal city council and education board, he certainly deserves credit for trying.

To be sure, this lengthy list of accomplishments is stained by a much smaller list of anti-growth positions. Giuliani has long been a supporter of McCain-Feingold, and refused to reconsider his support as recently as December of 2006 in an interview with radio host Dennis Prager. He was a firm opponent of NAFTA in 1993, claiming the trade deal would prove harmful to New York City jobs, a strange position given New York City’s status as the financial capital of the country, if not the world. He strenuously opposed any attempt to weaken rent control in New York City despite its proven distortion on the marketplace — a position he probably took because of its popularity among his constituents. Though little is known about his stance on the 2003 Medicare prescription-drug plan, he voiced support for the new government program in April of 2006.

On other issues, Rudy Giuliani’s positions are simply unknown, a result of the local nature of his job. Giuliani has made vague reference to his support for personal Social Security accounts and his support for free trade, but has yet to elaborate on how these two issues fit into his overall philosophy or what he would do about them if he were to win the presidency. His record on tort reform as mayor is mixed. Would he seek to limit frivolous lawsuits as president, despite his suit again the gun industry as mayor? Would he seek to impose further restrictions on free speech, or would he veto further restrictions if they came across his desk?

These are important questions and criticisms. Over the coming months, Rudy Giuliani will have to address these issues, elaborate on the unknowns, and explain, even reconsider, some of his most egregious positions. These indiscretions though, are modest in scale compared to his accomplishments.

Despite powerful local obstacles, Giuliani was able to significantly cut taxes; hold spending increases down below the rates of inflation and population growth; overhaul the welfare system; deregulate and privatize many local government services; and join the fight for school choice. These accomplishments played a crucial role in transforming New York City from an economic basket case into a thriving economy.

The most important question is what Giuliani’s mayoral tenure tells us about how he would govern if elected president. The answer is not clear cut, as some of his local positions are worrisome and some of his federal positions are still unknown. Nonetheless, one cannot help but conclude that if Giuliani could accomplish the pro-growth record he did in the hostile environment of New York City, the potential for him to accomplish even more amid the more politically balanced federal government is great.

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They're both OK for liberals
as Toomey seems to support Guliani. Tax and spend government, abortion support, and anti 2nd amendment support ensures neither Guliani or Toomey have my support, and I get to vote in PA.

No Border Security/No Homeland Security
The Republican Party under GWB seems intent on political suicide. Pandering to citizens of other countries illegally in our country while telling us we must be vigilantes if we object to illegal aliens ignoring our borders and laws. Mel Martinez is RNC Chairman to ensure an open borders candidate in '08. The cheap labor express will be kept running, regardless of the consequences, to party or country. GOP-RIP

Do not misread
Do not misread Mr. Toomey's analysis. As the head of the Club for Growth, Mr. Toomey and his organization are obligated to analyze the economic/fiscal compass of all viable candidates for the presidency. That is all the white paper -- and Mr. Toomey's commentary -- do. Nothing more, nothing less. This piece was not an endorsement of Rudy by the Club or Mr. Toomey personally. The Club and Mr. Toomey have published similar objective pieces on all other declared and viable candidates for POTUS, in terms of their fiscal views and records.

Cards on the table: I had the pleasure of serving as Mr. Toomey's press secretary when he ran for the US Senate in 2004, and I can tell you that he is the most honest, ethical, genuine, thoughtful and CONSISTENT political figure you will ever meet. His own philosophy has not changed; he is a rock-ribbed Reaganite, through and through -- of this you can be sure.

Rudy, a Conservative Winner
Pat Toomey is one of the real heroes of the conservative movement in PA and nationwide. His article speaks for itself, and it demonstrates powerfully why conservatives should unite behind the candidacy of Rudy Giuliani. The proof is not in the bumper sticker politics of those who oppose this fine man, but in his record of achievement in New York City's revival and in his leadership in the War on Terror. Rudy Giuliani can do something no other Republican candidate can: He can win.

steve maloney
ambridge, pa

RINO Rudy sucks
Anti-gun, pro-abortion, pro-amnesty, pro-gay marriage... just exactly how is this guy a Republican? He's running in the wrong party! He'd be a decent candidate for the Dems.

If he's nominated, he'll lose. Then the GOP better get used to being the minority party for a looooooooooong time.


Bumper Sticker Nonsense
Again, BrianR comes through with the same bumper-sticker nonsense. Rudy Giuliani established the record that Pat Toomey describes. This is not in dispute, my friends. Giuliani won in New York City, against the entrenched opposition of liberals and the MSM's flagship, the NY Times. Fringes of the lunatic right are not enough to make up a three-car funeral let alone a winning majority.

steve

Steve: What are you talking about?
Bumper-sticker nonsense?

Shall I call your post airheaded drivel?

Giuliani's positions are as I stated, like it or not.

Conservatives don't need a majority, BTW, all we need to do is not show up at the polls and he loses.

The base provides the money and manpower that fuels a successful presidential campaign, and conservatives loathe RINO Rudy.

Look at 2000 and 2004 and you see razor-thin margins determining the outcomes, and that was with strong support from gunowners, who will stay home if RINO Rudy's the nominee.

Clinton acknowledged that Gore lost because of gun owners.

So get a clue, bud, your mindless rah-eah cheerleading is only fooling yourself.




Giuliani’s Verifiable Economic Track Rec
Pat Toomey and his colleagues at The Club for Growth carefully reviewed Rudy Giuliani’s economic record while serving as Mayor of New York City and came to a convincing conclusion based the facts: Giuliani did a remarkable job of cutting taxes and holding spending to all time record lows. The silly catcalls of Giuliani’s detractors notwithstanding, the facts speak for themselves. Well done Mr. Toomey.

Evidently it's news to many here
that there are other issues some of us care about than those financial.


RINOs
If Rudy, the cross-dressed beauty, is the nominee, I'll avoid the Republican Party like it was a dead skunk. Nominate Rudy and I vote for the real Democrat, Hillary.

Need effective conservatives
As long a Rudy nominates qualified strict constructionists for the bench, I do not think his liberal tendencies on social issues is a big negative. I would rather have a social liberal who believes social issues should be decided by our local and state representatives rather than a social conservative who wants to be activist on the federal level. Rudy’s ability to deliver pro-growth economic policy in liberal environment is a big plus. He also may have a better understanding than most regarding the harm and cost of federal mandates on local and state governments. I suppose this type of reasoning may also apply to Mitt Romney’s experience in Mass. All the candidates will be doing the fiscal conservative talking, but we need a battle tested candidate who can also do the walk in the face of Democrat opposition and sell pro-growth economic policies to the nation. I remember Reagan was harshly criticized at the time from the right because of the pork he allowed, but it was a price paid for getting the votes for moving the supply side tax cuts through which provided far more stimulus than the pork cost. I am sure Rudy found himself making the same tradeoffs in as Mayor. I think of it as spending pennies to make dollars. Nothing is more important than removing the government barriers to opportunity and success.

BrianR
Steve is a comedian. The reason you can't tell is because he isn't funny. Like his manic "blog". It will be interesting to see where all these "Rudy's (of McCain) the only guy who can beat Hillary" people go after their candidate pulls out. Won't be long. They are both tanking in the polls. The only thing preventing them from tanking faster is that even gravity has limits.

Phil: Now YOU'RE funny
with the "gravity" line.

Steve-O! Take note of what real humor is about!

Yeah, I've been to his blog. For something hyped more than Gone With The Wind, I have to say it was a pretty disappointing experience.

BTW, you're on the money, bro.


We're too critical
We conservatives may be shooting ourselves in the foot with our hard-core opposition to Giuliani. Yes, I disagree with his positions on gun control and abortion, although those are mitigated by his support for strict-constructionist judges, since both are Constitutional issues. But Giuliani is a VERY appealing candidate, for four reasons that I can think of:

1) He'll win. This cannot be said with certainty about most of the other candidates, especially the dark horses like Duncan Hunter or Tom Tancredo. With Hillary as the alternative, the importance of winning cannot be understated.

2) He's a competent leader. Again, we don't know this about the rest of the candidates, especially the ones from Congress.

3) He's not intimidated by barking liberals. Giuliani didn't just survive the New York moonbats, he put them in their place. Given the craven capitulation of the last Congress and the current administration, this seems very important to me just now.

4) We know he's a fiscal conservative. Again, given the wretched performance of the Bush admin in this area, this seems very important.

I'm not part of his campaign, and I'm not completely sold on a Giuliani candidacy; but I think we ought to take him more seriously than we have, 'cause he's an asset.

Inkling, c'mon, puh-leAZE!
RINO Rudy is anti-gun, pro-abortion, pro-amnesty, and you believe he will appoint constructionist judges, when he has a record of appointing extremely liberal municipal judges as mayor? And appointing such judges would directly conflict with positions he's clearly committed himself to?

Do you have any idea how naive and foolish that sounds? Are you in self-deception mode, or what? Is your brain idling in neutral?

If a repeated child molester told you he'd never do it again if you let him out of prison, would you believe him, too, knowing that child molesters have an extremely high repeat rate?

Are you interested in future shoreline property in Nevada?


BTW, Ink Rev
The reason he's not "intimidated by barking liberals" is....


he IS one!


Giuliani achieved fame by corruption?
I’ve come across a few sources indicating that in order to get his first claim to fame, Giuliani knowingly prosecuted an innocent Wall Street investor named Michael Milken, arresting and charging him and another man in a high profile media blitz. The story is told in former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Paul Craig Robert’s article “The Criminal Career of Rudy Giuliani” and in the books

"The Tyranny of Good Intentions: How Prosecutors and Bureaucrats Are Trampling the Constitution in the Name of Justice"
by Paul Craig Roberts and

"Payback: Conspiracy to Destroy Michael Milken and His Financial Revolution, The by Daniel Fischel"

Opinions? If true, this is Clintonesque corruption for the sake of personal power.


Melstrom: No reason to doubt it
Giuliani is a self-sereving political hack of high and blind ambition in the mold of Bill Clinton.

Here's a link to check out:


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0212072giuliani1.html

The guy's a sleazeball.

Plus, he's a sleazeball who's wrong on the issues.



Evidently it is news to many here
that some of us are sick of Republican candidates that are pro-gun, anti-abortion & pro-big government. Those first two positions are fine and dandy, but they are both issues in which there has been no real change in years, despite candidate after candidate campaigning on the issue. On the other hand, a vastly more important issue like social security reform goes completely unmentioned by most Republican candidates:

Here is the impact of social security on a 23 year old expecting to earn $97,500 a year in 2007 dollars for the rest of his life (the 2007 maximum taxable amount for social security). Note that I’m going to keep everything in 2007 dollars in order make things comparable:

If the 23 year old was able to keep both his and his employer’s 6.2% social security payment to the government, he would be able to save $12,090 a year. If he invested that money in the market and was able to achieve a real annual rate of return of 6% (less than the annual real return of the S&P 500 over the last 75 years), he would have a nest egg of over $2,500,000 saved up by the time he retired at age 67. Using today’s rates, a $2.5 million nest egg could buy him a lifetime annuity that would pay him over $210,000 a year every year until he died (that's in today's dollars).

In reality, the 23 year old is forced to hand over that money to the government. The government is then generous enough to allow him to retire at age 67 and receive the maximum annual social security benefit of just over $25,000 a year.

Of course, given the current state of social security finances, it is unlikely he even receives that much. But let’s assume a miracle occurs and he somehow manages to get his $25,000 a year without his taxes going up in the interim. That’s still less than 1/8th what should be coming to him. That isn’t a retirement plan, it’s a mugging.

So forgive me if I could care less about a candidate’s stance on abortion and guns. I certainly am pro-gun, because I’m probably going to need it when I try to collect what’s rightfully mine in about 40 years. But if we managed to fix (read: eliminate) social security now, I wouldn’t need the gun that badly in the first place.

Social conservatives can moan all the want about how they will refuse to vote for a candidate who isn’t anti-abortion and pro-gun, but as I just illustrated, small-government conservatives like me have a very strong incentive to stay home until our needs are addressed. The government is already stealing 7/8th of my social security payment – how much worse can it really get under Hillary? If the Republican Party wants to win in 2008, it needs to re-order its priorities and keep small government conservatives like me from voting libertarian or staying home.

In case anyone questions my numbers...
here is the calculation:

Assumptions
Real Market Return 6%
Retirement Age 67

Age Income SS Rate SS Payments Value at Age 67
23 97,500 12.4% 12,090 156,994
24 97,500 12.4% 12,090 148,108
25 97,500 12.4% 12,090 139,725
26 97,500 12.4% 12,090 131,816
27 97,500 12.4% 12,090 124,354
28 97,500 12.4% 12,090 117,315
29 97,500 12.4% 12,090 110,675
30 97,500 12.4% 12,090 104,410
31 97,500 12.4% 12,090 98,500
32 97,500 12.4% 12,090 92,925
33 97,500 12.4% 12,090 87,665
34 97,500 12.4% 12,090 82,703
35 97,500 12.4% 12,090 78,021
36 97,500 12.4% 12,090 73,605
37 97,500 12.4% 12,090 69,439
38 97,500 12.4% 12,090 65,508
39 97,500 12.4% 12,090 61,800
40 97,500 12.4% 12,090 58,302
41 97,500 12.4% 12,090 55,002
42 97,500 12.4% 12,090 51,889
43 97,500 12.4% 12,090 48,952
44 97,500 12.4% 12,090 46,181
45 97,500 12.4% 12,090 43,567
46 97,500 12.4% 12,090 41,101
47 97,500 12.4% 12,090 38,774
48 97,500 12.4% 12,090 36,579
49 97,500 12.4% 12,090 34,509
50 97,500 12.4% 12,090 32,556
51 97,500 12.4% 12,090 30,713
52 97,500 12.4% 12,090 28,974
53 97,500 12.4% 12,090 27,334
54 97,500 12.4% 12,090 25,787
55 97,500 12.4% 12,090 24,327
56 97,500 12.4% 12,090 22,950
57 97,500 12.4% 12,090 21,651
58 97,500 12.4% 12,090 20,426
59 97,500 12.4% 12,090 19,270
60 97,500 12.4% 12,090 18,179
61 97,500 12.4% 12,090 17,150
62 97,500 12.4% 12,090 16,179
63 97,500 12.4% 12,090 15,263
64 97,500 12.4% 12,090 14,399
65 97,500 12.4% 12,090 13,584
66 97,500 12.4% 12,090 12,815
67 97,500 12.4% 12,090 12,090

Retirement Nest Egg With No Social Security 2,547,164

Ragnar: Simple solution for you!
Vote Democrat!

See how easy that was?


Let me guess...
You're one of the old people stealing my generation's money. In that case, what do you need a gun for? The government is already mugging me for you.

I'll never understand how people who are so focused on the "Thou shall not murder" commandment are so willing to ignore the "Thou shall not steal" one.

Voting democrat isn't an option for me, and I'm sure it's not for you either. But the Republican Party will only win if it keeps both social and fiscal conservatives under its tent, and it has done an incredibly poor job of appealing to the latter group over the last 6 years. That does not bode well for its future.

Ragnar: What???
I'm stealing your government's money? Yeah, me and my buds have put masks over our faces and are planning to rob Fort Knox tommorrow. Think we'll make out okay?

What the he11 are you babbling about?

I happen to PAY INTO the Federal Government, in spite of every deduction I can find, well into five figures in taxes every year. If I'm stealing, I'm doing a pi$$-poor job of it, and should be shot for incompetence.


joe
Thanks for the perspective. I had thought Mr. Toomey was of a more conservative bent. Glad you pointed out this was a white paper and not an endorsement. Important distinction.

Oh, Ragnar, I forgot to mention
My buds are ALSO a bunch of old f@rts. We're doing an Old F@rt raid on Fort Knox. We're gonna rename it F@rt Knox.

Wanna join us? Plenty of free money for all!


BrianR: This may not apply to you...
But if you can't figure out how taking more out of social security than you paid in is stealing, I don't know what else to to tell you.

In case you missed it, one of the main points of my original post was that the takeover of the GOP by social conservatives (and the big government mindset that resulted from it) is pushing voters like me out of the party.

And what kind of response did I get? A post telling me to "Vote Democrat!" It's good to see that Republicans are finally being upfront about their strategy to woo small-government conservatives. "Vote Democrat!" sums it up quite nicely. Not sure if that's a winning campaign slogan for the GOP, but good luck with that approach.

Anybody but Rudy McRomney
All of the top three have significant segments of the GOP who will not vote for them. All voters have some line they will not cross when considering a candidate. With some it is Romney's religion. With others it's abortion (Rudy&Romney). BrianR's is 2nd Amendment(Rudy). My red line is amnesty or comprehensive immigration reform(Rudy&McCain). I will not vote for another cheap labor importer. No accomodation should be made for illegal aliens. Secure the borders and enforce the law. If we do not restore control of our borders and immigration, we will lose our country.
We need to get past these three, they will not win without every GOP voter. Each one of them will leave enough sitting at home on election day to assure a Democrat win. My personal choice would be Duncan Hunter, he's got a good position on every issue, he's a former Army Ranger, Chaired the Armed Service Committee, built the San Diego fence. I could support others if he were not the nominee, but not Giuliani, Brownback, McCain, or Huckabee. All have supported amnesty in one form or another.

Ragnar: Nothing "at last"
about my attitude, or that of other conservatives. We've been saying all along to you folks to get the he11 out of the GOP.

You guys are the problem.

How's THAT for being clear?


BrianR:If people like you are successful
in your "purge", I think you'll find that a fairly large portion of people that vote Republican are small government conservatives. Maybe only 30%, but certainly a large enough percentage that you can't afford to push them to the other side (or more likely, to apathy) in a closely split country. The same holds true for the pro-gun and pro-life contingents, of course. But I'm more than willing to support those causes (as I think I've made clear in my posts)...just not to the point that shrinking the size of the government takes a backseat (as it has under W).

Nope, Ragnar, you are
deceiving yourself.

Without the party base, who provide the manpower, time and money to make a presidential bid possibly succeed, it's a loser. Mere voters simply show up at the poll on election day and cast a vote.

You think the party base is going to show up and do those things for RINO Rudy, the Bald Hillary?

Really?

Interested in swampland in New Mexico?


Define "base"
Fiscal conervatives are the base of the Republican Party. Or at the very least, they are to the right of it -- how you figure a small government conservative is a RINO is beyond me. If that's true, than the Republican Party really is finished.

Moreover, did I ever say that I'm a big Rudy supporter? Try reading my posts. I'd vote for Newt over him in a second. The problem I have at the moment is that most of the other candidates are to the left of Rudy on economic issues. Or at least that's my impression. Feel free to prove me wrong. But I've read a lot of anti-Rudy posts on this site, and 99% of them are about how he is pro-choice, pro-amnesty and anti-gun. Don't care, don't care and don't care (to be fair, I do care a little about the last one, but it's not going to make or break my decision).

What the anti-Rudy crowd needs to realize is that they are not going to sway Rudy-supporters (a large group) by pointing out how other candidates are more pro-life or pro-gun than Rudy. If you want to change their minds, find and publicize a candidate who has better track record of small-government conservatism than Rudy. It really shouldn't be that hard (Rudy was the mayor of New York after all), yet nobody seems to be able to make that case...which doesn't say much for the alternatives.

Somebody clue me in...
Am I debating with the liberal version of Loyal Democrat?

Ragnar, you're kidding yourself
Since 1980 the GOP nominee has won every time, and ONLY when, he's been endorsed by the NRA.

Does that sound at all to you like we give a flying frig about money?


No, ragnar, you are debating
me, your worst nightmare, a conservative who cares more about constitutional rights and party core principles than caving in to expedient and unprinciples RINOs like you.


I happen to be the guy
who holds GOP victory or defeat in my red-necked hands.


The White Paper
If I got this right Rudy cut an annual spending rate increase of 10.9% to 9.3% GCP (gross city product?).

That is good? Yes. Does it have any effect if annual rate of inflation is under 3%? Some, but you are still losing at three times the rate of inflation.

If my city was spending an increase of 9% annually, I'd bail in a heartbeat.

And I'd take my gun with me.

I just don't think it is such a big deal to take an abject failure, turn it around, and claim to be the savior. I'd think the NYC population was more than ready to embrace change because they lived in a cesspool of filth, excessive taxation, crime and scumbags ruling the streets and the subway.

Remember the Subway "vigilante" who shot four attackers on the subway? The man was a hero in the city, probably still is decades later.

Yes Rudy stood up to the terrorists who attacked his city. Like he could do anything else? The man was a prosecutor after all. But take away self-protection firearms? Loser for me.

Marc of Ca: Gotta laugh, pard
Rudy stood up to terrorists? How? Did he face them down? Then how come the Twin Towers fell? Or did he recognize a good photo op, grab his hard hat, and rush out the the scene for dramatic pictures and big talk?

I know we're on the same side of this issue, Marc, but you give the guy too much credit for nothing.


Ragner Dannekjold said
Keep up with them. I will vote for Freedom, Liberty,Life and Family- which is Ron Paul-
and Giuiliani can go back to NY with Hillary

It continues---
to amaze me how so many can use so many words to say so little (of substance.

One can not look at NYC and
say cleaning it up a little was a big accomplishment. It is still a virtual basket case. Before Rudi it was once again on the way to bankruptcy and would require yet again another Federal bailout.

Any action to improve it had to work because it was at the rock bottom.

And most important of all, Rudi is a liberal on the wrong side of almost all of the issues I care about.

BrianR is right and Rudi is left.

Giuliani
Giuliani voted against Nafta? Well I guess he has changed his mind, because his law firm is identified by the TX Dept of Transportation as the sole firm representing Cintra. Cintra is the Spanish consortium which is going to be building the Nafta super highway running through the country. Giuliani helped negotiate the deal to give Cintra a 50yr concession to operate SH 121 as a toll road. He negotiated the deal with TXDOT for Cintra-Zachary to build the remaining 40 miles SH 130 as a toll road. He recently sold Giulian Capitol Advisors to Macquarie an Australian investment consortium which is also involved in leasing and operating US toll roads. Giuliani is just another globalist willing to sell out his country to the interests of big business. So much for principles. At the very least I want a president who will defend the sovereignty and existance of my country. Talking about border control while ignoring the formation of the NAU is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. So that rules out Giuliani, McCain, Romney and also Fred who is a member of CFR. Add to that G. is pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, anti-gun, etc. And I don't think he did that great a job in NY. The RNC seems to be owned by corporate interests. That is why the few candidates that are actually for our country will not get any support from them. They have all sold their soul to the devil. It will take a miracle for someone like Duncan Hunter to get the nomination. Unless we get a real candidate I don't think it will matter who we vote for. "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power", Benito Mussolini. That is what we have in America, and it is bi-partisan. Every day they work to take more power away from the people and most just sleep through it. They are trying to shut down grassroots efforts by conservatives by labeling it lobbying. Everyone thinks Fred is the great white hope and he voted for McCain/Feingold. Folks we are in SERIOUS trouble. The real power in this country wants to see our country destroyed and one world government. It is a joke to talk about SS! Dude, our whole financial system is a house of cards. All China has to do is dump our dollars and we are done. How long will it be before Iran and others switch to the Euro and all those oil dollars get dumped? It is just a confidence game at this point, and just a matter of time. I have read the new Fed isn't even committed to saving the dollar and that those who want the NAU and a new currency anyway think something catastrophic will just propel us into it. I think they are right. None of the first tier candidates are acceptable.

I haven't
made up my mind, yet. I am a conservative but I will be willing to accept a Republican if the War on Terror is at the top of the list. Sorry, that means, I will still consider Rudy.

What Kind of Growth?
I started writing today about the so-called "Club for Growth" in a piece called "The Club for (Malignant) Growth. It is inspired in part by horror stories about candidates who weren't "conservative" enough to suit the group. If you'd like to comment or contribute, click on my name above. Thanks.

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