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Friday, June 05, 2009
Pat Buchanan :: Townhall.com Columnist
Breaking Bibi
by Pat Buchanan
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"I have to admire the residents of Iroquois territory for assuming that they have a right to determine where Jews lives in Jerusalem."

Thus did Israeli government press director Daniel Seamen caustically dismiss President Obama's opposition to Israel's right to "natural growth" of its settlements in Arab East Jerusalem and on the West Bank.

Though Obama's address in Cairo broke no new ground, it confirmed to the world that a new day has arrived and a sea change has taken place. The Israel-centric Middle East policy of George W. Bush is dead. And with the policy change has come rhetorical change.

With Bush, it was "axis of evil," "you are with us or you are with the terrorists," "regime change," a "green light" for war on Hezbollah in Lebanon and on Hamas in Gaza, and "this war is a struggle between good and evil."

*** Special Offer ***

With Obama in Cairo, it was all about "a new beginning" and "mutual respect" between the United States and an Islamic world of 1.2 billion.

Where Bush sought to isolate Syria as a state sponsor of terror, Obama has sent diplomats and is sending the U.S. military to Damascus to work together to halt al-Qaida infiltration into Iraq. Return of the Golan Heights may be back on the table.

Where Bush said Iraq's drive for weapons of mass destruction threatened America and the world, Obama calls Iraq "a war of choice," and re-commits to bring all U.S. combat troops home before 2012 and to seek no permanent bases there.

Where Israeli hawks push for pre-emptive U.S. strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities, Obama says Iran "should have the right to access peaceful nuclear power if it complies with its responsibilities under the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty."

As there is no hard evidence Iran has gone beyond the NPT, this points to a resolution of the nuclear issue, if Tehran can provide solid assurances it has no clandestine weapons program.

Where Bush refused to meet with Yasser Arafat or recognize Hamas' election victory, and outsourced Mideast policy to Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert, Obama has confronted Bibi Netanyahu and handed Israel an ultimatum: Halt all settlement growth, now, and come back to me with your plan for a Palestinian state.

A collision that could shatter the coalitions of both Bibi and Barack now appears inevitable and imminent. Either the president or prime minister is going to have to back down.

Netanyahu was elected on solemn pledges never to negotiate with Hamas, permit a Palestinian state ("a second Hamastan") or let Jerusalem be divided. He is committed to the "natural growth" of Jewish settlements in Judea and Samaria.

Obama has said publicly that there is to be no growth of any kind on the West Bank and all illegal outposts must come down.

There are reports that while Defense Minister Barak was in the office of National Security Adviser Gen. Jim Jones, Obama popped in for 15 minutes to tell Israel's most decorated soldier he wants to see an Israeli plan for peace and a Palestinian state by July.

That state would necessarily have a Jerusalem enclave as its capital, as no Palestinian or Arab leader could agree to a peace that did not include part of Jerusalem, the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock without putting himself in mortal peril.

Behind this clash lies a shift of perspective in Washington.

Obama is directly challenging the thesis of Israel and its lobby, AIPAC, that U.S. and Israeli interests are one and the same, that we are partners. Barack is saying that settlements are an impediment and an independent Palestinian state indispensable to peace. And even if Israel believes its interests are being subordinated and security imperiled, the United States disagrees -- and the United States will prevail.

In Israel, the betting is that Barack will break Bibi because Israel cannot defy its last great friend, the lone superpower, upon whom it depends for security, weaponry and diplomatic shelter from U.N. Security Council sanctions. As Rick Wagoner of GM can tell Bibi, you take the king's shilling, you play the king's tune.

Indeed, Obama can make a case that he better represents the Jewish community in the United States than the Israel lobby, as he won 78 percent of the Jewish vote.

Netanyhau was outpolled by Tzipi Livni of Kadima, who is waiting in the wings.

Bibi is in a terrible box. If he defies Obama and orders new housing in the settlements, he could face rebellion at home for alienating Israeli's indispensable ally.

If he goes along with halting settlement growth and moves to accommodate a Palestinian state with its capital in Jerusalem, how does he explain the capitulation to Likud -- and to Avigdor Lieberman?

Next weekend, Iran heads to the polls, and President Ahmadinejad faces strong opposition. If the moderate Mir-Hossein Moussavi wins, the possibility of a U.S-Iranian detente rises dramatically.

For Israel and the United States, the days of wine and roses are over.

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Alex,
Though it falls on deaf ears: "There are none so blind as those who will not see"

I still chose to reply to your question,

Why is it when you disagree with a Jew your anti-semitic,and with a black its anti-racial?

The way of the punk is to care more about their agenda than right, wrong and/or respect.


This is a trick...
..How can Obama "break Bibi" when he has A FORMER MOSSAD SPY AS HIS CHIEF OF STAFF?

This is just a set-up. We've seen Israel pretend to pursue peace for awhile --remember the Camp David accords- while Rabin was shaking hands with Arafat, Rahm was in the wings plotting his assassination. Then when the dust has settled, Israel attacks more viciously than ever and takes back whatever land it gave up.

Just ask Jimmy Carter, he can tell you all about the Jews' bait and switch games.


Pat Buchanon is correct.
Why is it when you disagree with a Jew your anti-semitic,and with a black its anti-racial.The truth is the truth and quit blinking or the double-talk!!!!!!

Ain't that the truth
The muslim wars still nearly all silent on the news front.
" If the murder loving arabs would live and let live, there would be peace in the mid-east and all around the world in the other 30 to 40 nations the muslims are killing people. "
----
Yes isn't that strange how silent the whole news media and all the stupid pundits are. I had to go to some catholic site that outlined how many of the wars/low level killing fields around the world were muzzie related and it was like 93% ---
They named spot after spot, and one or both sides were muzzie...
I checked Africa for nations and muzzie populations and basically the whole northern half and them some were 55-70-90+ % MUSLIM nations. It was a real eye opener for me but after all these years noone would have a clue from endless hours of "news".
---
None of those news people are serious or the arab AP ownership that is in Damascus or wherever that runs arab/muzzie world news and feeds to the western AP in the same building is muzzie master controlled...
It's all a pile of censored crap by the time it gets here.


Ben, Eu Wei, and Alice
Three little pigs who wallow in the same filthy pig pen together.

Obama Indictment Filed

Money given to the "palestinians"


NEWSWEEK

87 countries and international organizations have pledged $7.4 billion in aid to help build a Palestinian state.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/80804



March 19, 2008
US signs agreement to give $150,000,000 to the Palestinians
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/020379.php


2006
According to John Vinocur of the International Herald Tribune, the EU claims to have given $814 million to the Palestinians between January and October, "more than it would in a normal year."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1162378355953&pa gename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull



Posted March 9, 2009
$5.2 billion to the Palestinian Authority (PA) will do little to bring real change in the condition of the Palestinian refugees

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-rachel-ehrenfeld/misery-pa ys_b_172882.html




reply to:TS
re:
"You muslim yourself oracle?
You sound just like them"

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..

Like I said, both sides over there are distasteful-- but one side gets US to finance its efforts... what we see here is heavily filtered through one side's prism, and both of our political parties are manipulated by that side (over half of all contributions to both parties come from Jewish interests)...

Both sides in the M.E. have used terror-- it's just that we hear just about the militants on the Islamic side. Again, ALL early leaders of modern Israel were first terrorists (Begin, Dayan, etc.), and little is made of their choosing mega-militant Bibi N. to be in charge, even as they profess to want peace, but for those bad Arabs.

The aggressiveness of Israel is often so pronounced that sometimes only the U.S. sides with it on UN votes among 200+ nations... when Australia and Canada vote against us, we should question the degree to which we have been manipulated.

Eu Wei...
Seems to be correct on this issue. Pat Buchanan's barely hidden glee at the prospect of the collapse of support for Israel by America is the evidence of Eu Wei's claims. Beyond that, it is well known that Buchanan is no fan of our Israel policy. Also, I find Pat's gloating in this article to be sufficient provocation for Eu Wei to speak his mind. This is America.

Eu Wei
a nasty little man who loves to sow discord without provocation

Buchanan-American Fascist and..
Buchanan-American Fascist and..
Anti-Semite has one thing he agrees with the LEFT on, Jew-Hatred and Pathological Enmity towards Israel.
Buchanan, whose father was a Pro-Hitler/Nazi, was RAISED to be a Jew-Hater ; he is in league with Islamist Norquist, who works the Republican/Conservative side of the street for Freedom's enemies, using the Tax Issue as his "Enabler".
Buchanan is evidence that the Far-Left and Far-Right( Fascist,not Conservative) Bend and Meet .

Dave
That is very interesting to me about "broken without hand"


Oracle writes:
But Israel has routinely elected militant former terrorists like Begin and Dayan and
Bibi N. And religious fundamentalism is an excuse the militant Arabs also use-- no difference there really
======================

Ever hear about a person who plans to murder another human being but ends up dead first?

The victim decided to fight for his life and had to kill the killer?

If the murder loving arabs would live and let live, there would be peace in the mid-east and all around the world in the other 30 to 40 nations the muslims are killing people.

To call these men you name as terrorists because they fight, you may as well use the word to describe every person who has ever lived who defended his right the life.

You muslim yourself oracle?
You sound just like them

When you look at a Mountain
From the South side of the Mountain, you cannot see the other 3 sides, and this is the view of this gigantic subject from one very small angle of view.
======================

oracle1 writes:- 12:12 PM EST
old, hackneyed excuses
re:
"Netanyahu is hated throughout Israel.
======================

Mostly hated throughout the 22 arab nations, but loved by self preservation Jews, and Americans.
Free men everywhere.

I love the man, fearless in the face of the hate mongers.
=======================

oracle1 writes:

The problem is, that the religious minority sees the West Bank as the Promised Land, and the Palestinians as the Philistines and Edomites and Amorites of the Bible, people who stand in the way of the will of god.
======================

And the arabs see it as theirs and have the right to cleanse the land of Jews.
In fact, they see this to be the case for the entire world, Jews are to be cleansed from the earth.

The arabs believe the koran, and it tells them to kill Jews.

And Christians, and Hindus, and all non-muslims.

Or let them live as slaves to islam.

You gotta know there is more than one side to a Mountain, oracle1.
=======================


oracle1
If it was possible to have a final solution for the Palestinians, the religious fanatics of Israel would be all for it."
======================

Like the arabs do not have religious fanatics you mean?

The religious fanatics of the Jews do not go all over the world killing innocent people.

The muslim fanatics damn sure do

And
one fact is that Jews and well as the Arabs have got their whoever wrong.

The Jews fight for their land with a wrong belief about it and the Arabs their rights in the name of wrong doctrine and on and on and on.

If the most fundamental truth of life can not be agreed on a little piece of land won't bring peace.

But like the Middle East so is the world all are going in the same direction away from the truth of Who Whoever is.






Oracle
great observations but not sure about your "whoever."

If there is an Whoever than there is only ONE. And that's the rub and won't be resolved politically.

old, hackneyed excuses
re:
"Netanyahu is hated throughout Israel. The problem is, that the religious minority sees the West Bank as the Promised Land, and the Palestinians as the Philistines and Edomites and Amorites of the Bible, people who stand in the way of the will of god. If it was possible to have a final solution for the Palestinians, the religious fanatics of Israel would be all for it."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

But Israel has routinely elected militant former terrorists like Begin and Dayan and
Bibi N. And religious fundamentalism is an excuse the militant Arabs also use-- no difference there really.

One of my points is that great harm has been effected forever in the name of Allah, Jehovah, or whomever. And a key reason Christians here get taken for a VERY expensive ride is that the neoCONS/Zionists play on that Judeo-Christian stratagem like a Stradivarius.

"The arabs out number the Jews like a million to one and they are all belligerents towards the Jews."

Actually 200:1... ever wonder WHY Jews are eschewed EVERYWHERE they have been? ALWAYS the gadflies to the majorities. WHY?

Obama said he will not dictate to others

Obama said he will not dictate to others but then immediately dictates to Israel not to build settlements.

Once again what Obama says and what Obama does are two different things.

Talent Scout
You sent me googling.

"Broken without hand" could be taken to mean
direct Divine Intervention.

It could also mean imploding by going into a hubris-induced state of denial about what is happening. Closely akin to that would be
mass desertion by key supporters because of a failure to deliver results that are beyond human capability.

In practical terms, I've little doubt that as a class Obama's targets will pull through in better shape than Obama's favorites. This includes Israel, if she doesn't get nuked to a cinder. And if Bibi comes through like I think he will.

Here and there, it will be a close-run thing.
Our enemies doom themselves but how many of us can they con into going with them.

Our biggest weakness is the skin game that says
since Israel has a vested interest in our survival and well-being and the assorted towelheads do not, we should kiss the latter groups posterior and shaft the former.

And THAT is the Devil's own disease. CRIS.
Cranial Rectal Inversion Syndrome.

WHR Bill
said "It's true that Obama has no authority to directly dictate the policies of a foreign nation, Israel. On the other hand, as the current head of the U.S. government, Obama *does* have some authority over the large amount of military,financial, and diplomatic aid that the U.S. gives Israel."

ABSOLUTELY NOT! The President has NO AUTHORITY in matters of money under the constitution. The House holds the purse strings. The Senate may concur. The President may, at most veto but the House and Senate can override any veto. Just because presidents have assumed powers that they do not have UNDER THE CONSTITUTION does not mean we should assume that these powers are legitimate. READ the danged constitution before you ASSUME its meaning! You are wrong, wrong, wrong!

oracle1 writes:
Since less than 2% of our population compels us to do what we do, arguably never have so many been compelled by so few to do so much for the desires of so few.
========================

Simply not true
Millions of Americans who get it support Israel because all the thugs across the world support the arabs.
======================

oracle1 writes:
Could you imagine, say, Armenian Americans forcing the other 98% of us to do something comparable?
======================
Another lousy analogy.
Your figures are skewed, badly.
America may be 2 percent Jewish, but it has been 100 percent anti murder from arabs since I been alive.
-----------------------

oracle1 writes:


As for supporting Israel, America pays ALL of the immense costs, only to facilitate endless turmoil in the region-- and our oil costs more! Such a deal!
=======================

I do not accept your judgment that is what it boils down to.

Not even close to why we have supported Israel.

We support them by the very same spirit of the mind we supported England against Nazi Germany.

As we did even Soviet Russia against the Nazi's.

The arabs are no different than the Nazi's, who were their partners in WW2

oracle1 writes:
Honestly, I simply don't give a flip about either side in the M.E., BUT I am chagrined that we are forced to spend American treasure because of one side.
======================

I care cause I do not like bullies of any kind.
The arabs out number the Jews like a million to one and they are all belligerents towards the Jews.

No matter if the Jews live over there or in Europe or here.

No need to bring up exceptions, they exist in any statement men make.

Jews have been attacked in Europe and here as well as there.

I do not like Foreign Aide for anyone, especially 15 billion GW Bush allotted for African Fornicators.


22 Arab nations already
oracle1 writes:- 10:25 PM EST
reply to: Talent Scout
Israel's right to exist?

As much-- or as little-- as any other nation created out of terrorism within the last 60 years based on vacuous claims from 2,000 years before... it would be tantamount to the Indians reclaiming Manhattan.
=======================

Lousy analogy
Does not fit in any part.

You would be better off thinking of Israel as a Jewish Reservation, if you want to compare them to the Indians of America.
(which I am one, partially)

Never been a time in the last 4000 years Jews were not in that land, and have always been a majority in Jerusalem.

If the Arabs were peaceful, then there would be peace.

Not sure you have read much of the history of how it became a Jewish State.
Can't tell by what you are saying, because somewhere along the line you have missed some vital information you need

reply to: Talent Scout
Israel's right to exist?

As much-- or as little-- as any other nation created out of terrorism within the last 60 years based on vacuous claims from 2,000 years before... it would be tantamount to the Indians reclaiming Manhattan.

Honestly, I simply don't give a flip about either side in the M.E., BUT I am chagrined that we are forced to spend American treasure because of one side.

Since less than 2% of our population compels us to do what we do, arguably never have so many been compelled by so few to do so much for the desires of so few.

Could you imagine, say, Armenian Americans forcing the other 98% of us to do something comparable?

As for supporting Israel, America pays ALL of the immense costs, only to facilitate endless turmoil in the region-- and our oil costs more! Such a deal!

Saturday Night's OK (For Fighting)
Pat, unfortunately you are absolutely correct in your evaluation of the current conditions facing Israel and the United States of America. Go beyond cognition to your Irish roots to find the winner of this bout. Who do you pick the fighter who loses everything in losing or the fighter who loses nothing but his smile. Odds are no matter when you fight for everything in life. My money is on Bibi.

Sol_Invictus
You are full of bs

Every policy of the Arabs
About Israel is based in HATE.

Why would anyone but a hate monger support the Policies of the Arabs?

Nothing the Arabs say comes from anything but hatred of the Jews.

The west is the worst hypocrites of all for their slimy lying about "diversity" "tolerance" and all THAT BS.

The Jews of Israel get no acceptance to even exist from those hate mongers and the west supports the murderers

Would the American Government
Or any Western or Eastern European nation support an Arab city with-in their own nation that would not allow any Jews to live in that city?

Then why would any one in the American Government support a Foreign Policy that is Anti-American?

Or a European Government?

Why does the west support the ethnic cleansing of Jews in their Foreign Policies.


OBAMA DEMANDS ISRAEL SURRENDER!
This will NEVER happen! PM BENYAMIN NETANYAHU is commanded by the FATHER OF ABRAHAM,JACOB and ISAAC to prevent harm to "THE LAND OF ISRAEL", promised to the ISRAELI'S (JEWS) from GOD!

Obama and ALL of the MUSLIMS in the WORLD will NOT change THE WORD OF GOD! Know this!

Ahmadinejad's 12th IMAM will NOT come out of the 'well' and rule the world! Our ALL MIGHTY GOD rules the world!

oracle1
I generally agree with what you have to say.

Let me ask you a couple questions about a couple statements.

These two

"The top 3 recipients of our foreign aid are in order Israel, Egypt and Jordan-- all because of Israel"

Do you believe Israel has a right to exist?

That is the only question I can think of why you would say that


2nd statement:

"The silly part was that Egypt was thru fighting Israel, having been clobbered repeatedly with the better weapons America had been made to provide to Israel."

Egypt has been supplied by the USSR.

By Egypt and Syria and both had been supplied by the Soviets and other nations.

Why would we refuse to help Israel with such circumstances as they faced?

If its about Israel's right to exist, then I say that is the position only bigots can offer

Dave reminds of me of something
I once read



Dave writes: 5:57 PM EST
Capabilities
Obama doubtlessly sees himself as some kind of
peace maker who will issue in a period of brotherly love by charming all those foreigners
========================

"and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand"


Man, that sure sounds like a guy who gets all the news today.

I always wondered what this means:
" he shall be broken without hand"

Illness?

The king's shilling
Dear Mr. Buchanan: If Israel must do the king's bidding, how is it you don't expect Syria, Egypt, the PLO and Mexico, all of whom have accepted far more than their fair share of shillings, to do the same?

Sincerely, Burt Prelutsky

(finishing last post)
... to allocate that $3 TRILLION boondoggle all-in cost as $400,000 per Israeli citizen.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/0 3/07/AR2008030702846.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_C entury
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/spheresInfluence.h tml
http://www.codoh.info/zionweb/zionpgiraq.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Israel_Public_Affairs _Committee

Camp David-- what a joke!
All Jimma' Carter did at Camp David was get snookered into buying peace between M. Begin and Anwar Sadat for a cool $6 BILLION a year split between them.

The silly part was that Egypt was thru fighting Israel, having been clobbered repeatedly with the better weapons America had been made to provide to Israel.

So since Camp David we have ponied up $6 BILLION a year (now approaching $200 billion) of American taxpayers' $ in perpetuity for nothing really... but each Israeli gets $1,000 per capita.

And since the Iraq war was engendered by the neoCONS (Wolfy, Perle, Abrams, Feith, Libby) to get American bases in Iraq for Israel, it is reasonable to allocate that $3

the clout of Israel & its lobbies
re:
"On the other hand, as the current head of the U.S. government, Obama *does* have some authority over the large amount of military, financial, and diplomatic aid that the U.S. gives Israel. The U.S. is entirely within its rights to set conditions for Israel's receipt of this aid, and to reduce or withdraw the aid if the conditions are not met."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The top 3 recipients of our foreign aid are in order Israel, Egypt and Jordan-- all because of Israel. None is a poor country.

But foreign aid is a small fraction of the total aid we are made to give to Israel including some of our best weapons.

Further, their spies have stolen secrets that were our most invasive and damaging security breaches ever. The wimps in Congress shrugged that off, saying: at least they are our ally.

With friends like that, we do not need enemies.

Capabilities
Obama doubtlessly sees himself as some kind of
peace maker who will issue in a period of brotherly love by charming all those foreigners
and tilting towards the "good guys" (by his standards.)

The only President who was worth a hoot at that kind of game was Theodore Roosevelt. That was because they all knew he would fight at the drop of a hat and he carried the hat.

Similar success was had by Truman, Eisenhower,
Nixon and Reagan. They all managed to make offers that could not be refused. Bush 41 came close but pulled some punches in 1991. That in turn inspired our enemies to think that Bush 43 would do the same. Now comes Obama who is managing to assure them that he will behave like they wished Dubya had.

And they think the Obamaroids will be able to
control the actions, (even the thoughts) of the rest of us. An assumption the Obamaroids themselves make.

All of this rather replicates the tinder of 1914. This time the assinine thinking is that is the Netanyahu government can be made to fail, its replacement will lead the Kumbaya chorus. In truth, any such replacement would have two choices: (1) capitulation or (2) Samson Option.

I would want the Samson Option. The USA can survive a nuked-out mideast and even some "collateral damage" here. Capitulation is a different story. So Mote It Be!




Camp David "accord"
Is what is know as bribery under the law and in the streets

Easy way to know
When anyone who speaks of American Aide to Israel is a biased bigot, is they never mention the billions given to all the muslims at the same time

Alice,
You are a trouble maker.

Rebel Yell
Antonio Lopez de Santa Obama has just told
William Barrett Netanyahu that he must surrender
or the garrison will be put to the sword.

Buck, Bibi that is, figures that that means surrender so the garrison can be put to the sword without offering resistance. He will answer with a shell and a rousing Rebel Yell.

Then we see what we shall see.


Is Israel independent? (continued)
Ah, but, you may say, Israel is an "ally," not a "protectorate". Maybe so. But it sure seems like the benefits of this alliance are asymmetical; Israel gets a lot more benefit from being allied to the U.S. than the U.S. gets from being allied to Israel.
Do I really think the U.S. should treat Israel as a colony? No. Do I think the U.S. should cut off all aid to Israel? No... at least, not yet. But I do think we need to consider our relation to Israel more on a basis of "Is it good for the United States? What's in it for us?" and less on the idea that we have an absolute obligation to help and protect Israel come what may. Israel's supporters will argue that the interests of Israel and the U.S. are the same, that we automatically help ourselves by helping Israel. Maybe so. But they should have to make that argument by proving how Israel helps the U.S., and not just by crying "anti-Semite!" whenever anyone questions the point

Is Israel truly independent?
MerryColin posted in part:
"Obama has NO authority to dictate to
Isreal. His limited power is here in the U.S. He was not elected President of the world. And who the heck does he think he is lecturing the nations of the world while our own is falling apart?"

It's true that Obama has no authority to directly dictate the policies of a foreign nation, Israel. On the other hand, as the current head of the U.S. government, Obama *does* have some authority over the large amount of military,financial, and diplomatic aid that the U.S. gives Israel. The U.S. is entirely within its rights to set conditions for Israel's receipt of this aid, and to reduce or withdraw the aid if the conditions are not met. (Whether a particular set of conditions is wise, is another argument. But the U.S. *does* have the right to set conditions.)

This raises the question: Is Israel truly an independent nation? We often hear that, if the U.S. ever did withdraw all its aid to Israel, that nation would be doomed to destruction. But if that is so, that makes Israel "dependent" on the U.S.-- a kind of de facto U.S. colony or protectorate-- not a truly "independent" nation. We might be justified in principle in exercising political control over Israel as we do over, say, Puerto Rico, or in demanding that Israelis pay taxes directly to the U.S. treasury for our share in their defense.
.

JimP !

America First !

We're already in Rebellion !

INDEPENDENCE DAY TEA PARTY REBELLION !

THE 4TH OF JULY 2009 !

Rise Up !

I see the old anti-Semite, Pat,
is back! Of course, he backs the Palis because Pat essentially despises Western freedoms and Israel is a Western looking democracy. I guess that Pat is sad now that his pal, Demjanjuk, is back in Germany facing trial.

Obama has NO authority to dictate to
Isreal. His limited power is here in the U.S. He was not elected President of the world. And who the heck does he think he is lecturing the nations of the world while our own is falling apart? The powers of the President are CLEARLY defined in the Constitution---- nothing less and nothing more. Of course he shirks those he is sworn to uphold and creates more at his every whim. He TRULY believes that he is sent to be the healer of the earth and, that in and of itself, isn't so terribly bad. It shows that he has vision. However, his "mission", no matter how well intentioned, cannot include shredding our Constitution. HE is to be the chief defender of it! If he truly believes in his charismatic power of persuation to better the world he ought to resign the office and go the way of MLK and other great men who have truly had an impact on mankind. In the meantime, as acting President, he may ONLY do that which the Constitution has vested in him. Anything else is TREASON. He, along with the other bunch in the House and Senate, are the true rebels in this nation, soon to be joined by the SCOTUS. It is the PEOPLE of this country who are the law abiders, Janet Napolitano be damned. It is the PEOPLE who must demand that we remain a nation of laws and not of men. I see no alternative to revolution and, contrary to Jefferson's words, it need not be bloody. The states must "just say no". And the PEOPLE must "just say no" in the juries and at the polls. The juries are the only hope for this nation; they MUST nullify unconstitutional laws by refusing to indict or by consistent verdicts of "not guilty". And they must do it NOW! Obama does not speak for me!

Unbelievable
Is the Biblically illiterate unbelieving populace on this site and in this country.

This one central focal point makes everyone turn against everyone and instead of any common ground we are a house divided. And if that very fact, Bible voracity, is true, than that house can not stand.




Oracle1 see my 09:40 post
The fact that Oblunder would balk before a national leader in a weak, tenuous position (Harper) makes it only a question of when (not if) he'll go down before Netanyahu.

but they don't
re:
"Keep spouting like this and the Republicans will never get the Jewish vote."

Jews nearly always vote against their pocketbooks, and their richest like Soros are the biggest funders of the Left.

Then again, the wealthiest tend to be on the left-- they already have their substantial livelihood via the American system of enterprise. See for example Warren Buffet and Ted Turner... it is easy to be generous when you cannot begin to spend what all you have.

And isn't it amusing how often those on the left who have milked the system for self-aggrandizement don't bother to pay their taxes--> see Obama appointees.

a parasitic symbiosis
re:
"In Israel, the betting is that Barack will break Bibi because Israel cannot defy its last great friend, the lone superpower, upon whom it depends for security, weaponry and diplomatic shelter from U.N. Security Council sanctions. As Rick Wagoner of GM can tell Bibi, you take the king's shilling, you play the king's tune."

There have been times when only the U.S. voted with Israel among 200 or so in the U.N.-- clearly the tail wagging the big dog.

dnha14
Patrick is his own man, he has never been a follower of republican party hacks.

Besides, hacks do not worry anyone who would vote democrat in this day.

Oh yeah?
oracle1 writes:- 1:13 PM EST
anti-Semitism or inconvenient truths

Pat is perceived by some as anti-Israel, but I think that he is simply an America First guy like me who does not reflexively conflate what Israel wants necessarily with what is best for America...
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Where is American interest in this?

quote:
"I have to admire the residents of Iroquois territory for assuming that they have a right to determine where Jews lives in Jerusalem."

Thus did Israeli government press director Daniel Seamen caustically dismiss President Obama's opposition to Israel's right to "natural growth" of its settlements in Arab East Jerusalem and on the West Bank."


What business is it of America?
Obama is nothing but a big mouth as was GW Bush concerning this situation.
Why is it American interest to support arab ethernic cleansing of the Jews?

Why Israelis live among the "Palestinians"?

Why would America support such racism the arabs show against the Jews?

No Jew can live among the bigots.
So where is America's interest in supporting arab racism and bigotry?

Vicious Bile
The reason most Jews voted for Obama (not this one)is that the virulent conservative Republicans pass along vicious bile such as this for actual political discourse. Why would Jews vote for Republicans when they think they all hate Jews and want to destroy Israel? Obama is the true anti-semite, but he is stealth. He pulls the wool over peoples' eyes. People do not think he is anti-semitic. However, when you, Mr. Buchanan, write articles like this one every Jew in the country thinks that all Republicans are anti-semitic. Keep spouting like this and the Republicans will never get the Jewish vote. And the sad part about it is that many, if not most Jews I know are basically conservative. They just can't get comfortable with writing such as this. So they vote for the stealth evil. As David Limbaugh writes today, "Conservatives Are Not The Extremists". However, Mr. Buchanan, you certainly are.

oracle1: the oil flow is not the issue
It is the control of the oil that is the end game.

The world is running out of viable oil reserves, there fore he who controls the world oil reserves is KING.

The oil flow, at the moment is irrelevant, becauase you can increase production whenever you want IF you control the oil field.

Control of the oil is what matters not production.

Besides, while waging war in Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Pakistan, the financiers behind Obama are targeting the American middle class for extinction.

What better way to do that than by decreasing oil production while implementing an austerity plan at "home" which includes being forced to buy (at some point) "toy" cars from Obamamotors (formerly GM)?

The only way to save America is to get out of the Republican v Democrat paradigm.

Our governmnet is being run by global bankers and financiers - they own both political parties and control the media.

Bush was a fake conservative and Obama is a Facist dictator in training - that is why he is still on the teleprompter - and that is why the birth certificate thing is still an issue.

Once the globalists controlling Obama feel he is absolutely going to do their bidding, the BC will magically appear and Obama will be in the clear.

I don't know of what persuasion you are, but America needs true patriots - not Republcians or Democrats.

USPatriot56

the Iraq War and oil flow
Half of the oil is flowing out of Iraq compared to when Saddam was still in charge-- OOPS!

So much for that theory, along with WMD's, a democracy to inspire others in being favorable to the U.S., and being greeted as liberators... pretty much ALL neoCON lies so Iraq could be taken out to get our bases there to protect Israel. With total costs estimated to be $3 TRILLION, that is $400,000 per Israeli. Hmmm.

No wonder fully 90% of the 1.3 billion Islamics believe that we are simply pawns of Israel.

The artful stratagem was spelled out in the PNAC 5 years before 9/11.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/0 3/07/AR2008030702846.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_C entury
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/spheresInfluence.h tml
http://www.codoh.info/zionweb/zionpgiraq.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Israel_Public_Affairs _Committee

Patricia: Well to be more precise ...
It is about the control of the world oil fields and to keep Russia from controlling the oil - especially in Iran.

In order to control those fields our nation has taken two approaches:

1) The Bush/neo-con approach which was to demonize Muslims and Arabs. This approach only went so far.

2)The Obama / neo-liberal approach is to "make friends" with the Arba world - especially Iran.

And who better to accomplish this than the Arab world's man in the White House - Barack Hussein Obama.

So how do you "make nice" with Arabs and Muslims in general?

By betraying Israel. There is no better way.

So Obama is going to appear to change US Policy towards Israel in order to get in good with the Muslims.

The end game is still to control the oil and to corner Russia.

If you are saying that there is some deeper meaning to this conflcit than oil. Perhaps there is. I believe that the Book of Revelation in the Holy Bible is the way it will eventually end, but I am talking about how the politicians perceive this crisis in a secualr way.

The first premise, though, is that all American presidents - since JFK - have been puppets of an international banking cartel. Bush was a puppet and most definitely Obama is a puppet.

In fact Obama is a wholly owned subsidary of Wall Street.

And everyone knows that war is the biggest money-making business ever invented.And Wall strret loves money.

But if you think that this corrupt governemnt of the United States of America - especially under Obama - is interested in peace in the middle east just for the sake of peace you are kidding yourself.

USPatriot56

O - WTBC?
Obama - Where's The Birth Certificate?

anti-Semitism or inconvenient truths

Pat is perceived by some as anti-Israel, but I think that he is simply an America First guy like me who does not reflexively conflate what Israel wants necessarily with what is best for America. Witness the neoCON/Zionist agenda to take out Iraq-- 80% of Americans, including a majority of Jews, now consider that pricey adventure a profligate mistake.

The simple truth is that over half of ALL contributions to BOTH parties come from Jewish interests, though they represent less than 2% of our population-- that is a STUNNING disproportionate influence.

Pat correctly notes that the neoCONS around Dubya who spawned the Iraq war were Zionists (Wolfy, Perle, Bolton, Abrams, Feith, and Wurmeser) who were simply effecting their PNAC/AIPAC agenda which had been spelled out 5 years before 9/11.

Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Saddam and Osama were OPPONENTS. Dubya boasted publicly in fealty to AIPAC (whose express purpose is to serve as America's pro-Israel lobby) in 2004--> "I took over 20 of your good minds into my administration." He (and America) would reap the whirlwind from what he had sewn.

Wolfowitz is rightly called, "the author of the Bush Doctrine" (the Iraq war stratagem, really to get American bases in Iraq to protect Israel.)

Some people simply find such incontrovertible truths inconvenient.

http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/spheresInfluence.h tml
http://www.codoh.info/zionweb/zionpgiraq.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Israel_Public_Affairs _Committee

NeoCons And The 78 Percent !

Neoconservative Israel Agendists Are Crybabyin" about Buchanan when it was McCain Primary Promoting Neoconservative Israel Agendists , Jewish American Financed Support Of Obama and 78 Percent Of Jewish Americans ,who are more responsible for Obama's Election.

Time To Recognize Where The Blame Belongs !

Detente with Iran...?
Given his take on this historic confrontation with an iconoclastic national leader that has vowed to annihilate Israel, Mr. Buchanan would likely have agreed with Great Britian's and France's approach at the Munich Conference. Not realizing that Israel is now in Czechoslovakia's place at that same table of betrayal is Buchanan's, and Obama's, fatal flaw in all of this.

Mideast about oil?
To those who think the Mideast problem is about oil... you've got to be kidding... right?

Its about the oil stupid
Pat Buchanan seems to think the demise of Israel is good for America. And everytime America opposes Israel, Pat is happy, and you can count of an op-ed piece like this to leap from his word-processor.

Pat's historical perspective is unmatched by anyone in the media, and there can be no doubt that Dumbomba without the aid of his teleprompter could not even put together one coherent sentence on US mideast policy.

The end game of the Obama administration is the use of the middle east nations to encircle Russia in order to control the last remaining oil fields in the world, not to bring peace to the middle east.

This is Zbignew Bryzinski's plan - the neo-Liberal plan which is essentially the neo-con plan of the Bush administration reworked by attempting to use the Muslim nations against Russia vs. demonizing and dominating the Muslim nations to control oil.

In any case ... Obama's plan, like Bush's before him is about controlling oil fields.

What is surprising is that Pat does not seem to factor in the quest for oil as he tap dances on Israel's gravestone.

He also does not seem to understand that the real price of oil in the United States is our Freedom and Liberty (see Patrior Act as evidence of our lost liberties).

USPatriot56

Netanyhau and Obama
Civilization would be better served if the two switched positions.

It's about OIL stupid
Pat Buchanan seems to think the demise of Israel is good for America. And everytime America opposes Israel, Pat is happy, and you can count of an op-ed piece like this to leap from his word-processor.

Pat's historical perspective is unmatched by anyone in the media, and there can be no doubt that Dumbomba without the aid of his teleprompter could not even put together one coherent sentence on US mideast policy.

The end game of the Obama administration is the use of the middle east nations to encircle Russia in order to control the last remaining oil fields in the world, not to bring peace to the middle east.

This is Zbignew Bryzinski's plan - the neo-Liberal plan which is essentially the neo-con plan of the Bush administration reworked by attempting to use the Muslim nations against Russia vs. demonizing and dominating the Muslim nations to control oil.

In any case ... Obama's plan, like Bush's before ihim s about controlling oil fields.

USPaatriot56

Florida determined the RINO nomination
re:
"Significant Neoconservative Israel Agendists put their Financial Support and Votes behind John McCain in the Republican Primaries."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Two things tipped Florida (and the RINO nomination) for the ill-fated Amnesty John McCain... the neoCON $ and votes went to the man who said he would stay in Iraq for 100 years (better for Israel), and Senator Martinez told the Hispanics that Amnnesty John was their man. In a crowded field, $ and influence was critical.

gahotdog right about Jewish libs
There are 15 Jewish senators (from 2% of the population) and ALL vote on the left. My Jewish friends have explained that this is a function of long-term identification with other minorities-- the excluded... even though economically Jews should be conservatives.

NeoCONS are generally Jewish; they glommed onto conservative agendas simply because that was the prevailing power for a time... even slick Willie opined that, "the era of big guvment is over" (though he did not mean it). That helps explain where we got "compassionate conservatism" (really liberal programs in drag).

Talk to The 78 % Who Voted For Obama !

78 Percent of Jewish Americans voted for Obama.

What goes around,comes around.

Significant American Jews threw the weight of their Financial Support and Votes behind Obama.

Significant Neoconservative Israel Agendists put their Financial Support and Votes behind John McCain in the Republican Primaries.

Real Conservatives Opposed and Oppose Both Obama and McCain !
Jewish Americans and Neoconservative Israel Agendists Supported And Bought These Two Losers !

Had Enough Yet !

INDEPENDENCE DAY TEA PARTY REBELLION !

THE 4TH OF JULY 2009 !

Up The Rebellion !


Robert- Well said.
Well said. I am too a proud Jewish American Conservative, and fear what is coming to the U.S. and to the all democracies around the world.

Buchanan is just a bitter anti-semite.

ObaMessiah's first sign of tone deafness
It is nearly always a fatal mistake to take on the Jewish lobby, which accounts for over half of all contributions to both national parties, although they are less than 2% of the population. This might be possible because not all Jews are in agreement about the settlements and whether to have a 2-state solution.

Frankly, a clear majority of Jews have opposed the War in Iraq though the neoCON/Zionist subset engendered it (Wolfy, Abrams, Perle, Feith, Libby, Bolton, and Wurmser-- then pulling Dubya's strings). The 2 camps are often bitter toward each other-- see, e.g., Bill Kristol debating someone from the less militant side.

Buchanan-American Fascist and..
Anti-Semite has one thing he agrees with the LEFT on, Jew-Hatred and Pathological Enmity towards Israel.
Buchanan, whose father was a Pro-Hitler/Nazi, was RAISED to be a Jew-Hater ; he is in league with Islamist Norquist, who works the Republican/Conservative side of the street for Freedom's enemies, using the Tax Issue as his "Enabler".
Buchanan is evidence that the Far-Left and Far-Right( Fascist,not Conservative) Bend and Meet .

gahotdog
While I understand your sentiment. Please realize the crassness of your language. I am Jewish and conservative. I too can't believe how far left so many Jewish people are. It is painful. I speak to Christian groups and Jewish groups about what is offensive. The truth is most Jews who believe in Israel don't speak out loud. They still live in the fear of being ostracized if too vocal. Some of that fear is justified. Please find ways to attract Jewish conservatives. We are no so easily lead in things of judgment such as abortion and gay issues. While we are unified in no late term abortions, we listen to very educated Doctors who are also very religious. As far as gays, we accept as not so great a thing but tolerate because they too are G-ds children.

But know this I too believe Obama, and the left are bringing our incredible country, and the world with to a very scary place.

gahotdog, it's much deeper than that
Your statement that "Buchanan hates Jews because almost every Jew in Senate is a commiequeer" is analogous to a statement I heard in Calgary (made by one of my dad's colleagues in UCalgary's math department) that India's erstwhile Defence Minister V.K.K. Menon. The colleague had claimed that Menon had developped anti-US attitudes due to being treated poorly (due to being dark-skinned) during a sometime-in-1950's visit to the US. Reality was that Menon had Marxist sympathies even prior to Partition. Similarly, Buchanan was anti-Jewish (and anti-Israel) long before any of the current Jews in Congress/Senate even got election-tickets.

For rdk
No need to check that--whoever Khamenei designates will win.

Iranian election is much like Indian Presidential (no mistake) election--multiple candidates, but people don't have direct voice in vote, and ruling-party-designated candidate has never lost.

Why Buchanan isn't a Jew lover.
Virtually every Jew in the Senate, including Joe Liberman, is every bit a Marxist as much as Obama. They are against our right to own and bear firearms. They are for gay rights, gay marriage, homosexual this, lesbian that, pro abortion on demand. They are against our Christian heritage being taught in our schools. They were for bailing out the Big Banks, bailing out GM & Chrysler, etc. Our Jewish senators and many of the Jewish representatives in Congress are for everything traditional Christians have held to be wrong. Objectively, is it any wonder Pat Buchanan isn't a Jew lover? On the other-hand...

Were I Bibi Netanyhau I wouldn't wait for Obama's blessing. I'd have the Israeli air force take out Iran's nuclear sites. The only thing Muslims respect is force. That's exactly how Bibi should deal with Islam... and without bowing down to Black Marx, nor begging assistance from his atheist cousins in the United States senate.

Yes sir, stamp out al quieda in Syria
And have the US Department of State invite their friends in and allow them to set up 35 militaristic training camps all over the USA.

“35 Compounds”
http://www.christianaction.org/homegrownjihad.aspx

Compound, now where did we hear that word before.......mmmm, ah....oh yeah, Waco!

Thats it, the Davidians, very dangerous place that had no tank traps, no fencing, no fox holes, no machine gun nests but did have 20 to 30 children and 15-20 women.

They needed the elimination of the standard that has been law for many years, the Posse Comitatus to bar the US Military from law enforcement of domestic affairs.

But the "compound" at Waco was an extremely dangerous "compound" with all those women and children, we had to destroy it.

But these (http://www.christianaction.org/homegrownjihad.aspx)35 compounds of muslim men pose no danger to anyone in Washington DC, having Washington DC armed and guarded like a Front Line Infantry Position, and their underground bunkers, etc.

Everything makes sense from the view point of a muslim.

Kill those terrorist children at Waco, they were "christian" or said to be anyway.
But give the muslims who are not even American Citizens protection and keep it quiet they are training to kill more of those American Children, probably women and men too.

So Patrick, you seem top like this new foreign policy of surrender and white flag diplomacy by the obama.

I really am a bit surprised at you Patrick

Iranian election
Let us see how the election turns out.
It is wothwhile being cool and calculating for another month.

The Obama Foreign Policy
Can be found by reading the Koran.

Everything he is opposed to can be found in the US Constitution

US and Israeli
Pat, I watch your comments on MSNBC regularly but I was dissappointed by your recent racial tirades against judge Sotomayor and your claim that white male are being discriminated against in this country. I'm white and I don't feel that way,so cut it out. If you're trying revive the 1980s Reagan error white backlash, then I think you do not understand the political reality of our time, you should know better. You may be right on some issues concerning the new administration's policies toward Israel, but I also believe that if we want peace between the Israelis and Palestinians then the US must be a honest even handed broker, not an Israeli lawyer as has been the case with the past US administrations

Obama foreign policy
If you can't beat them, join them.

That is the obama foreign policy

As he goes about the world surrendering and raising the white flag to all the tyrants and the thugs in the world, Patrick surprises me with his standing ovation and hand clapping.
Acting like all the anti-American hating bigots here and around the world.
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Patrick writes:
Where Bush sought to isolate Syria as a state sponsor of terror, Obama has sent diplomats and is sending the U.S. military to Damascus to work together to halt al-Qaida infiltration into Iraq.
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All the while the US Department of State hands out Visa's to muslims all over the world.

All the while the "Homeland" (nazi sounding huh) Defense organization has issued warnings about traditional American Values as being the extremists.
Being a military veteran

- Being opposed to ever-greater government control over the lives of individuals

- Being dedicated to such ‘single issues’ as opposition to abortion or illegal-immigration, or support for your individual Rights as recognized in the U.S. Constitution.

- Displaying ‘Ron Paul’ or ‘Bob Barr’ bumper-stickers

And does not mention a word about the 35 islamic terrorist training camps all over the USA.

How about someone in the media, the government or even you Patrick write about these people who are training to kill Americans right under your/our nose.

http://www.christianaction.org/homegrownjihad.aspx

Just 2 minutes long

BARACK OBAMA: HISTORY'S TRAGIC FOOL
Though Obama is the US President he's not morally or intellectaully big enough to break Bibi Netanyahu and the Israeli people. Practically all Israelis are of one voice saying: NO FREEZE ON SETTLEMENTS! NO CONCESSIONS TO PALESTINIANS! Obama threatening Israel to come up with a peace plan is probably bluff. If anything Obama will break himself in trying to force Israel into an impossible peace with the Jew hating, terror loving despicable Palestinians, WHO ARE NOT PREPARED TO MAKE PEACE WITH iSRAEL.

Obama is in a no win situation in the Middle East. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Forcing Israel into a premature peace will end in a worse catastrophe of bloodshed and violance than the first and second intefada combined. To do nothing means dashing the expectations of the Moslem masses and losing their love-a painful and terrible loss for an Islamophilic narcissist.

If you read my two pieces "The Ominous Death of Madelyn Durham" and "Barack Obama: Transformational President or History's Tragic Fool" you will understand that this poor confused muddle headed man has catastrophe, failure and ruin written all over him.


Wouldn't it be great...
... if those in the Middle East based their politics on what makes sense rather than what they think God ordains for them to do?


Israel's Security
Pat says:

"because Israel cannot defy its last great friend, the lone superpower, upon whom it depends for security, weaponry and diplomatic shelter from U.N. Security Council sanctions"

Israel has always depended on and always will depend on the G-d of Israel for her security. Whom does America depend for her security?

Jim
Arguments like this really need to be based in reality. Yours is not. The Palestinians do not control all of Gaza, they do not control the borders or the air space. And that means they do not control the flow of goods into and out of the territory. Currently Gaza is under a permanent blockade such that although half of all Gazans are malnurished, the Israelis kept pasta at the border on the grounds that it was not actually needed in Gaza (until they were shamed by an American delegation).

Israel still periodically drops bombs in the territory. There is a serious debate to be had as to whether and how much of this is justified. But there is no serious debate to be had that the idea that Gaza is controlled entirely by the Palestinians is nonsense. And only the self-deluded can take the economic situation in Gaza as entirely due to Hamas policies.

Hamas policies might well be a disaster if allowed to operate, but they are not actually being given that chance.

Pat Buchanan's animus
.. against Israel has been noted by many commentators. It is quite evident here, complete with the crowing and mocking tone, the schadenfreude, the absolute conviction of the correctness of every leftist charge leveled against Israel, when the same Pat Buchanan would properly castigate those same leftists whenever they speak on the US.

Even the idea that the settlements are 'illegal' is a bit mind boggling. No standard that applies to any other country would have deemed them so. I would like to ask Mr. Buchanan the legal basis for his assertion.

generally good, but
For the most part this is a good account of the dynamic playing out. There are two points worth noting:

One, Obama is not saying that the US and Israel have divergent interests, he is saying that the US does not believe that Likud policies are in the interests of either the US or Israel. That is a very different thing. Netanyahu is stuck cowtowing to a minority populations whose interests are at odds with those of most Israelis. He may agree with those policies, but the settlement movement makes things more difficult for most Israelis and Obama is not acting against Israel in opposing their actions.

The second thing is to note that while Buchanan seems to include the Iriquos comment to show the Israelis as unreasonable, there are similarities between how they treat the Palestinians and how we treated the Indians. The reality is that a lot of what we did to the Indians could not be morally defended today. Of course that is true of how most countries were founded. Israel's problem is that they are trying to create their country when the horrors of certain behaviors have become impossible to ignore (ironically this is in part because of how the jews were themselves treated in Israel).

buchanan
He just can't hide his hatred of the Jewish People.

Nothing to speculate here
In February (within 30 days after inauguration), 0bama became the first POTUS to go to Canada with an almsbowl in hand (even Dhimmi Carter was generally in commanding position when it came to Canada). As he balked before Harper (not exactly a leader in strongest position possible; due to his being conservative, he's much-disliked in his native morOntario), he'll do so more dramatically against Bibi (who was never in as weak a position as Harper, despite of Israel's history of fractious coalitions)!

Truth
Let us be honest with ourselves. America has been defeated by the Muslims. When two adversaries wage war, the loser always submits by calling for peace. Victors never willingly surrender, only the vanquished.

Today's jihadists learned well from the Viet Cong, who fully understood America over 40 years ago. Ho Chi Minh was interviewed in the very early days of that war and was asked how he could possibly withstand the mighty American military machine. He said to his interviewer, "The Americans will kill 10 or 100 of us for every America we kill, but in the end we will defeat them."

Ho Chi Minh knew then that the way to defeat America was not on the battlefield, but in the streets of the U.S., the soft underbelly of a weak and fragile nation. The American military is tough, but its civilian leadership is cowardly, corrupt, duplicitous and stupid. Collectively, Americans are easily demoralized and misled.

That was long ago. Americans have had decades of moral rot and dumbing down. The nation's education system has worked tirelessly to erode our sense of national spirit and identity. Over half of the country hates it and openly supports the enemy. We've imported third worlders who are genetically predisposed to serfdom and despotism.

We see the results. Our "Commander in Chief" jets around the globe trashing his nation, apologizing to the enemy, and betraying allies. Our end is not far off.

Pat often wanders off...
... into bad ideas, but on Israel he's been consistenty wise. Sixty years ago, Israel was a small, endangered, contradictory state surrounded by millions of mortal enemies. Today... well, it still is, except now it has nukes. That there are leaders in Israel who unashamedly endorse a genocidal "samson option" tells us just how rational the whole idea of Israel really is. I say -- several million Jewish immigrants to the US ASAP.
Still, don't put much hope into making nice with Syria or Iran.


Old allies..
You cannot turn your back on old friends and allies..Obama's motives are genuinely suspect as is Obama...I find this and him reprehensible...

To William of Ohio
You've got it exactly right!

Why are we surprised?
Did we really think that an anti-Semite who sat and listened to another anti-Semite for 20 years was going to go to bat for Israel? Please open your eyes. This anti-Semitic, Marxist, pro-abortion, slippery-tongued charlatan has fooled so many people it's pathetic. Have we all become so hypnotized by this phoney with the global-sized ego that we can't see him for what he is. He even named his dog "BO" after himself. He's some piece of work.

Thank You
THANK YOU JESUS!

I wonder if Israel will just give up
I wonder if Israel will just give up.
Given the countries history I think not.
The obortion may be just a little surprised when the Israelis decide to defend themselves once again with or without the obortion.
What's obortion going to do? Send U.S. missles and warplanes toward Israel?
Moreover, politically, the obortion may find HIMSELF in a box as U.S. jewish voters/donors observe whose side he is on when Israel does act.

But hey PJB can once again say;
Israel baaaaaaaaaaad.
Israel defending its interests really more baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad!

And then?
So what will happen then Pat? You had all the hindsight anwsers to avoiding WW2. What will be the result of these actions oh great one, or is only your hindsight 20/20.

Too late Israel

You have already lost your last best friend, for obambi is no friend of Israel. Though there are a great many of us in the states that are still on your side, we no longer have the political clout or influence.

I highly encourage you to start questioning your American Jewish brethren's sanity and ask how in the heck they could have supported this quisling.

BIBI IS THE LEADER OF ISRAEL
and as such his only alliance is to the people of Israel not like our a**hole leader who goes all over the world singing cumbaya with terrorists and telling the world what a bad arrogant nation we have become. Israel should know that not all Americans feel the way Obama does. Bibi should do as we are and bide his time until 2012.

Leftist Drivel by Buchanan
This column provides an example of why I do not classify Pat Buchanan as a conservative. He is in the camp of the socialist Obama with respect to foreign policy. Take off the name of Buchanan from the article and publish it at Kos under some psuedonym, and the article would blend right in, with everyone assuming some leftist writer had written the piece.

Political twins: Buchanan & Obama
When it comes to foreign policy Pat Buchanan is more close to Barack Hussein Obama then to Newt Gingrich:

http://conservativevalley.blogtownhall.com/2007/02/05/who_ are_you,_mr_buchanan.thtml

When will this country ever learn?
If we continue to turn our backs on Israel and demand they "give up" land and Jerusalem, it will be the Death of America.
God said: I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you.
Watch out Barry, God has your number.

Good job Obama
It is high time that the tail stopped wagging the dog. Quite frankly I really am not that concenred about the zionist squatters in Israel.
I do not believe their will be a second coming if the Israeli zionists do a land grab and acquire all the land of Mandatory Palestine.
My concern is with the USA. we need to get control of our borders and defeat the illegal alien amnesty which Obama and the democrats along with some idiots lke McCain and Kyle want to ram down our throats. this is important to our country, not Israel.

Simply Fullfilling His Messianic Mission
Obama is simply fulfilling his 'mission' as Messiah of the world.

If you haven't yet read Ali Sina's "Understanding Obama: The Making of a Fuehrer" then it's about time.

Among the hallmarks of pathological narcissism Sina lists Obama as displaying are:

- Feels that he is above the law.

- Has a messianic-cosmic vision of himself and his life and his "mission".

- Sets ever more complex rules in a convoluted world of grandiose fantasies with its own language (jargon)

http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html

Getting their attention
George W. Bush is like the well-meaning baby-sitter who can't maintain balance among quarreling siblings. The house gets trashed and the knives are drawn. Then along comes a great nanny who reads the riot act, asserts authority, and gets the kids to make nice. Obama's children are lucky, indeed.

You happy about this Pat?
"For Israel and the United States, the days of wine and roses are over"

What you think Pat?

For Hamas and Obama the wine and the roses grow?

Sounds like it doesn't it, the WH is joining the terrorists.

O happy days, ha ha

I hope Bibi tells the obama to stick his advice up his ***

Pat writes:
Obama says Iran "should have the right to access peaceful nuclear power
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And tells Americans we cannot have nuclear anything, just wind and sun.

Not even oil or coal for America, but Nuclear Power is ok for Iran.

Someone explain why obama is not in a mental hospital instead of in the WH

2 state solution?
There are two states, Gaza is controlled entirely by the Palestinians, and they have done nothing constructive or responsible to show that they are capable of self-rule.

Get it right in Gaza and earn the right to the rest.

The PA and Hamas will never accept the right of Israel to exist until they do there will never be peace.
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