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Friday, March 27, 2009
Pat Buchanan :: Townhall.com Columnist
Can Uncle Sam Ever Let Go?
by Pat Buchanan
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"In 1877, Lord Salisbury, commenting on Great Britain's policy on the Eastern Question, noted that 'the commonest error in politics is sticking to the carcass of dead policies.'

"Salisbury was bemoaning the fact that many influential members of the British ruling class could not recognize that history had moved on; they continued to cling to policies and institutions that were relics of another era."

"Relics of another era" -- thus did Stephen Meyer, in Parameters in 2003, begin his essay "Carcass of Dead Policies: The Irrelevance of NATO."

NATO has been irrelevant for two decades, since its raison d'etre -- to keep the Red Army from driving to the Rhine -- disappeared. Yet Obama is headed to Brussels to celebrate France's return and the 60th birthday of the alliance. But why is NATO still soldiering on?

In 1989, the Wall fell. Germany was reunited. The Captive Nations cast off communism. The Red Army went home. The USSR broke apart into 15 nations. But, having triumphed in the Cold War, it seems the United States could not bear giving up its role as Defender of the West, could not accept that the curtain had fallen and the play was closing after a 40-year run.

So, what did we do? In a spirit of "triumphalism," NATO "nearly doubled its size and rolled itself right up to Russia's door," writes Richard Betts in The National Interest.

Breaking our word to Mikhail Gorbachev, we invited into NATO six former member states of the Warsaw Pact and three former republics of the Soviet Union. George W. Bush was disconsolate he could not bring in Georgia and Ukraine.

Why did we expand NATO to within a few miles of St. Petersburg when NATO is not a social club but a military alliance? At its heart is Article V, a declaration that an armed attack on any one member is an attack on all.

America is now honor-bound to go to war against a nuclear-armed Russia for Estonia, which was part of the Russian Empire under the czars.

After the Russia-Georgia clash last August, Bush declared, "It's important for the people of Lithuania to know that when the United States makes a commitment -- we mean it."

But "mean" what? That a Russian move on Vilnius will be met by U.S. strikes on Mother Russia? Are we insane?

Let us thank Divine Providence Russia has not tested the pledge.

For can anyone believe that, to keep Moscow from re-establishing its hegemony over a tiny Baltic republic, we would sink Russian ships, blockade Russian ports, bomb Russian airfields, attack Russian troop concentrations? That would risk having some Russian general respond with atomic weapons on U.S. air, sea and ground forces.

Great powers do not go to war against other great powers unless vital interests are imperiled. Throughout the Cold War, that was true of both America and Russia.

Though he had an atomic monopoly, Harry Truman did not use force to break the Berlin blockade. Nor did Ike intervene to save the Hungarians, whose 1956 revolution Moscow drowned in blood.

John F. Kennedy did not use force to stop the building of the Berlin Wall. Lyndon Johnson fired not a shot to halt the crushing of Prague Spring by Soviet tanks. When Solidarity was snuffed out on Moscow's orders in 1981, Ronald Reagan would not even put the Polish regime in default.

In August 1991, George Bush I, in Kiev, poured ice water on Ukraine's dream of independence: "Americans will not support those who seek independence in order to replace a far-off tyranny with a local despotism. They will not aid those who promote a suicidal nationalism based upon ethnic hatred."

Many Americans were outraged. But outrage does not translate into an endorsement of Bush's 43's plan to bring Ukraine into NATO and risk war with Russia over the Crimea.

Bush 43 bellowed at Moscow last summer to keep hands off the Baltic states. But his father barely protested when Gorbachev sent special forces into all three in 1991.

Bush I's secretary of state, Jim Baker, said it was U.S. policy not to see Yugoslavia break up. Bush 43 was handing out NATO war guarantees to the breakaway republics.

"Washington ... succumbed to victory disease and kept kicking Russia while it was down," writes Betts. "Two decades of humiliation were a potent incentive for Russia to push back. Indeed this is why many realists opposed NATO expansion in the first place."

Few Americans under 30 recall the Cold War. Yet can anyone name a single tripwire for war put down in the time of Dean Acheson or John Foster Dulles that we have pulled up?

Dwight Eisenhower, writes Richard Reeves, in his first meeting with the new president-elect, told JFK, "'America is carrying far more than her share of the free world defense.' It was time for the other nations of NATO to take on more of the cost of their own defense."

Half a century later, we are still stuck "to the carcass of dead policies."

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Excelllent article Pat. Especially for
we older citizens who recall Roosevelt and Stalin and Churchill cutting up the pie.

Some things don't mean as much when faced with our own shortcomings and the daily exposure of our weakness. While we are at the reshuffling of the domestic financial deck, we would do well to consider the points you made and re-think our world position, including more thought to China.

But we won't.... Ahhhh
Don Jones
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Excellent point Pat
We should get our troops out of europe. The occupation of Germany should end . When idiot McCain stated during one of the debates that we would be in Iraq for 100 years, Ron Paul asked him how were we going to pay for it ? Idiot McCain did not respond. Ron Paul was proved 100% correct within a couple of months . We will have to scale back our spending and Obama will want to spend more on his socialist agenda so the defense budget will have to be curtailed. The shutting down of bases will be inevitable. I want our troops out of Germany and out of Japan. WW II is over and has been over for 60 years.

Furthermore.
In a way, I am wondering why Russia is not our closest military ally. US and Russia, against the world, has a nice ring to it, to the degree that who or what would be able to stand up to that?

What Buchanan's column refreshes is all the ethnic differences amongst all the peoples of the world -- cause all the problems. Look at all the wars going on right now. Everyone of them are battles between different ethnic groups. It has always been thus, at bottom.

What I've always liked about Russia is it's ability to be ruthless in handling ethnic differences. Yes, any people calling themselves a nation, cannot put up with that.

Class warfare, on the other hand, is a disguise of the real problems between the separate peoples.

Yes, sir, I would like Mr. Putin on our side. for I have a memory. too. Without Russia, Europe would still be ruled by Nazi Germany.

American Arrogance
Who are we to tell the rest of the world how to run their business? America cannot even control its own borders, manage its finances, properly educate the children, control epidemic teen pregnancy and assorted other civic ills. We need to pay less attention to other countries and more attention to our own. Simple as that. The utter arrogance of Americans will be our downfall.

Our Battle Continues
1960 Republican: Thanks for reminding us that Russia tore the heart out of the German Army and if it hadn't we would have lost thousands more of American soldiers.

I agree we should be closing down American bases around the world because I don't think the American people have the stomach any more to protect every other allied country from invasion. But we need to keep our guard up through international organizations, especially NATO. The United Nations is a joke, however, and probably will be allowed to fade away like the League of Nations.

I get a queasy stomach, however, when I read Buchanan's articles and his obvious goal of withdrawing American forces and building a Fortress America.

We all know that a number of nations will become nuclear powers in this century and then what? At least before 2008 we had a world economy linked together by peaceful trade before the world collapse as a result of greedy traders sponging every last buck out of a boom based on quicksand.

Buchanan, I think, is an isolationist and I think that idea is unsustainable just as is Obama's spending. We are not bequeathing a peaceful and properous world to our progeny.

The struggle goes on and the stakes are mountainous.

IDEALISM vs REALITY
Let us trust in that very Providence: President Obama, Please take these controversial thoughts, Buchanan's remarks, into consideration.

Brother Barack: In the domestic arena your idealism seems to understand no limitations whatsoever. (Or else your realism transcends the capacity of most of us, including Brother Daniel Hannan's.)

Just between the two of us: Perhaps we need to focus on "building a moat." So to speak.

You joked about "campaign promises." Indeed, most of those do turn out to be funny in light of subsequent, relentless, implacable events.

Those events are now upon us in real time, not "virtual reality."

Our ships (are they sitting ducks?) are headed towards troubled waters.

We are beefing up in Afghanistan.

We are just printing money that might be utterly worthless.

Newt is predicting certain repeats of contemporary history.

Again, Let us hope and pray that our Leader, when it comes to the international arena, uses Wisdom, including Pat Buchanan's farsighted knowledge and prudence.

Jerseyvet and 1960
Excellent posts, gentlemen. JV - we have to keep in mind that Buchanan is an extremist and of course nobody will follow him all the way back to his corner. He still thinks Washington meant Russia and Israel when he warned of foreign entanglements, not France and Britain. Ultimately, yes, Russia should be our good and loyal friend and we should make sure that she is. We share a commonality that we do not with much of the rest of the belligerent world. They battle Islam, we battle Islam. They resist Chinese hegeomony, so do we. They are also not a bunch of liberal castrati afraid of their own sinews, and that is the main reason we should sit down and reason together. Silly little Obama is trying to ratchet up the war in Afghanistan primarily so that he won't be seen as just the wet-behind-the-Dumbo-ears little community ACORN that he is. Russia can help - they at least know the costs of blundering in that part of the world; they are also not so squeamish about putting things to rights.

But let us least rejoice that we no longer have the bumbling Bush in there trying to manufacture manliness and push his idiotic notions of spreading democracy. I don't know which president is worse as regards foreign matters, but Obama who is all hat and no cattle will do everything to avoid being seen as another Bush, and as regards expanding NATO where it has no business being, he will at least not be doing that.

blaming bush again
Ah yes. Its good for pat to have Bush to kick around. It keeps his mind of his own miserable run at being president. A disaster of enormous consequences if he won with his libreal running mate.

We have another disaster in the making so Pat and Obama will continue to blame the Bushes.
No one takes repsonaiblity for thier own stupidity

Rich
The blame is warranted. What price "compassionate conservatism" and the "Bush doctrine?" How about the most dangerous chief executive in United States history and a congress full of dunces to rubber stamp his every outrage. You'll understand just what eight years of cupidity, incompetence, mindless policy, religio-government intrusion into private American life and profligate spending under the appaling George W. Bush has cost us when the Congress accedes to Baby Acorn's demands and allows him to create an American SS.

Yes, blame Bush, but blame us more for tolerating him and not insisting on an actual conservative as our party's standard bearer.

NATO AND FRANCE
I was living in France in the 1960's when France decided to get out of NATO. They gave the Americans and Canadians one year to toally vacate all military bases. The French made out well on that move, with all that was left behind at these bases.

Since then they have not been a true ally of the USA, so why should we welcome them back into NATO. Are they getting concerned about Russia's sabor rattling and want to grab onto the USA's coat tails again?

In the 1960's there was a common joke about the French military that went around among the US GI's defining their opinion of the French soldiers, "French rifle for sale, never been shot, only dropped once".



Screw procurement!
If the Big O is to believed, we can save billions of dollars by improving the military's procurement processes. Baloney! The military-industrial complex owns a pillow in every politicians bed.

Now, if O really wants to save money, why not pull all U.S. forces out of Europe and close our bases there. Bring everyone back home, expand existing U.S. bases if necessary, and create jobs for OUR civilian workforce.
Let's allow the Europeans defend themselves like they used to.


Screw procurement!
If the Big O is to believed, we can save billions of dollars by improving the military's procurement processes. Baloney! The military-industrial complex owns a pillow in every politicians bed.

Now, if O really wants to save money, why not pull all U.S. forces out of Europe and close our bases there. Bring everyone back home, expand existing U.S. bases if necessary, and create jobs for OUR civilian workforce.
Let's allow the Europeans defend themselves like they used to.


Eureka!
I was born on Mardi Gras Day and the hospital staff put a plastic tiara on my head even though Zulu coconuts were 'afallin.

Since I was 6 years old, I have suffered from migraines nearly 3 times a week.

For years, I have had low blood sugar.

With both of my pregnancies, I had toxemia, which resulted in more hospitalizations than I can count, premature babies, and C-Sections.

On numerous occasions, I have been exposed to or had to evacuate New Orleans.

Even though I am an avid fisherperson, I have never reeled in a Bull Red that weighed over 30 pounds or a Marlin that weighed in over 500 pounds.

Also, I have a difficult time finding AA shoes from Chanel, Manolo Blahnik, Jimmy Choo, Prada, and YSL.

And, my secretary made a “typo”.

Pat, you have given me a “Eureka!” moment! Now, I know that the Bushes were to blame for EVAHTHING!

Once we build our moat, my "troubles" will have disappeared and I will win this year's Bisbee Black And Blue tourney down in Cabo.

SIGNS OF COMING WORLD UPHEAVAL
Is Barack Obama David Paterson on a national and international scale? Is New York's black, blind governor emblematic of our black, mentally blind, incompetent Commander in Chief? Does Paterson's collapsing governorship prefigure the fate of Obama's presidency?

Click my name and read my piece "Obama's Grand Doctrine of Appeasement and Signs of Coming World Upheaval" for the answers.

SIGNS OF COMING WORLD UPHEAVAL
Is Barack Obama David Paterson on a national and international scale? Is New York's black, blind governor emblematic of our black, mentally blind, incompetent Commander in Chief? Does Paterson's collapsing governorship prefigure the fate of Obama's presidency?

Click my name and read my piece "Obama's Grand Doctrine of Appeasement and Signs of Coming World Upheaval" for the answers.

Patrick's "isolationism"
Comes from reading George Washington's Farewell Address 1796.

Read it, it is 100 percent quality time it will cost to understand how minding ones own business is actually a superior spiritual concept than it is the be the busy body of the world and running the affairs of every other nation on earth and ignore our own problems.

Why should America guard the borders of Korea,Germany,England, Poland, etc. and dismiss any idea of protecting our own?

Appears to be madness on its face to me, and it really is madness, insanity, suicide for America.

If we have no danger on our own borders...why in he** is Washington DC armed and guarded like a Front Line Infantry Division?

No danger inside America other than the corporate "homeland security" to watch other than traveling American Citizens?

This nation is being run into destruction from every single Founding Principle that made it the world leader it once was WITHOUT installing a thousand Military Bases all over the globe.

We never needed to do that in the past cause we led by EXAMPLE, and that is the true way to lead anything.

No longer does America have any leaders in DC who lead by example, they tell us all to accept job loss, energy bans,tire air pressure, thermostat settings all the while they live in opulent splendor.

What a nation of HYPOCRITES WE HAVE BECOME TODAY

AMERICA, the new British Empire
Colonize the world through UN policy, directed by Fabian Socialists in Europe, and Communist Socialists in Russia, Cuba, Venezuela and China, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund.

Owned by the same men who own all the banks in Europe, America, Russia, centered in Switzerland, named the BIS.
These are the men who finance nations through the power their riches give them over nations political process in who runs for office.
These men owned both Obama and McCain, cause no man wins the office of President any longer without tons and tons of money for their Madison Avenue type sales pitches, called campaigns of lies by promising the world to everyone who supports them.
Something they do not own to begin with, and have forgotten the God who does own it all.
Who will not run and hide in fear from the entire world, but will send judgment on nations.
Founders understood this, and are mocked in this day and time by idiots
Shaping the world into one gigantic corporation of nations and ruled over by unelected American hating people.
American hating in the respect of America's Sovereignty under the Constitution.
Obama is in the pace of a fanatic, an extremist with insane energy to push over every single Principle of Liberty this nation has bled and died for.

Obama is an enemy of all the Founding Principles and we have nothing but gutless wonders in our Government today who are scared to death to name it all for what they know is happening right now today.

The happy days are over, for the wicked are in control and the people rejoice, for a little while is all.




A few things
US forces outside the US are to pursue US interests not to protect the host country. Germany serves as a key rear area for US wars in Afghanistan and Iraq just as Japan did for Korea and Thailand and the Philippines and Taiwan did in Vietnam. Bases in the UK were used to launch planes to bomb Libya, Italian bases were used during the Gulf War and in Kosovo. Forces in Japan were never there to protect Japan even in the bad old days. The majority of US forces were in Okinawa not in Hokkaido and Japan's SDF was expected to shoulder much of the burden at least for the first few weeks in the event the Soviets attacked as the US expected to be rather busy elsewhere. US assets abroad serve its interests.

However, NATO no longer serves a purpose outside of an end-around the UN in the use of US military force (e.g. Kosovo).


Well, NATO was formed
probably with the same "good intentions" which led to the formation of the Lame Numpties (Woody's idea, though US never joined) and its successor Useless Numpties (who currently take up much valuable real-estate in NYC, and actually cause more trouble than they are SUPPOSED to prevent everywhere else).

TS
"AMERICA, the new British Empire."

You should be so lucky. In 1922, it controlled 25% of the entire land surface of the planet and was the greatest empire the world had ever seen then or since. The saying of "The Sun Never Sets on the British Empire" was true. Today, mostly a few scattered islands in the Caribbean and the Pacific and Bermuda. It's last significant holding returned to China at the stroke of 12, July 1, 1997. Rule, Britannia! indeed.

Washington is dead
"Why should America guard the borders of Korea."

Because Korean War II is more expensive and before the US was able to pull out its troops the DPRK would assume the US was doing so in order to launch an airwar and get its troops out of harms way (The DPRK's guns) and launch a massive attack--yes, they are that crazy. Get to Asia sometime and have a shortwave, listen to Radio DPRK sometime. They have an English service. It is amazing!

"Germany,England..."

Germany serves as a key rear area for your wars in Iraq and the like. "England" has been used launch aircraft against Libya. US has few if any troops in Poland.


1960Republican & Jerseyvet reckon
... that but for the Soviets, the Germans would be running Europe.

And that's almost true. Except that but for the Trillions of (today's) Dollars of aid and weapons and aircraft and tanks and artillery pieces and other material we, at huge cost of blood, shipped in to the Soviets (and to the Limeys -- and to every other of our Euro-peon "allies") the Soviets would never have had a snowballs chance in Hell of winning a raffle. Let alone a battle.

And that was even before the small matter of the traitor Roosevelt's and his richly Soviet-agent-larded "administration" facilitating and participating in Roosevelt's beloved "Uncle Joe's" Soviet's sacking and subsequent murderous enslavement of all of Eastern Europe.

Not at all surprising but too bad Mr Buchanan's (in any case moot -- the Chinese will very shortly relieve the Russian empire of all of its western territory, including Siberia) Bush-Derangement Syndrome colored revised history lesson didn't get around to covering any of that.

Brian Richard Allen
Los Angeles - CalifOZEROcated 90028 -- and the Far Abroad

Akagi
What do you mean, your wars?

Akagi reminds me of Jim Jones

TS
"AMERICA, the new British Empire."

Akagi writes:
You should be so lucky.
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When a person is into suicide, or promoting it for another, he can be as slick as snot with his words.

Akagi, Jim Jones re-incarnated
Akagi writes:
Washington is dead
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His words are living and will never die

Washington is dead like
Everyone else in the grave yard.

John Kennedy is dead
Eisenhower is dead,
and if I make a list of all the dead people, I need a 100 life times of dedicated writing of names of all who are dead, yet are remembered by their words and deeds, in everything going on here in the world of the living.
Akagi, you are a moron, sir.

TS
The point TS is this is no longer 1796. The US is not some small insignificant country hugging the Atlantic seaboard today, but a world power with world responsibilities. If you want you can climb down from the Imperial perch, but someone will take your place--at least on a region by region basis and not sure if that is really in your best interest.

TS
Washington also in his farewell address warned about what today would be called political parties--how did that work out for you?

Black and White Brian
The Soviets would have won even without US assistance. The vast size of the Soviet Union guranteed the eventual defeat of the Nazis.

Woodrow Wilson
We need to actually go back to Woodrow Wilson who was so intent on "having a place at the table" that he dragged us into WW I, and his naivete concerning European Relations that helped set the stage for WWII, and then Roosevelt's maneuverings to involve us in WWII to remember how we arrived at the UNCONSTITUTIONAL Marshall Plan. Our armed forces are for our Common Defense, and yet Egotistical Presidents and abetting Congresses continue to involve us in world affairs. There are those who postulate that had we not gotten involved on the European front that Russia and Germany would have neutralized each other and we would have been in no danger either way. George Bush Senior and Congress had us rescue Kuwait on what Constitutional basis? This brought about UN resolutions that justified the current war, forgot WMD's which we already knew Iraq had, but it's a far stretch to say we were truly in danger from their being used against us. Here we are being invaded because of porous borders by criminals that have killed more American citizens than have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, and are filling our prisons, bankrupting hospitals, etc. There is no mention in the Constitution of American "interests" being a reason for using our armed forces, so it's time to bring our troops and bases here and take care of the 50.

world responsibilities
Akagi, once we get an amendment passed for using our military for "noble purposes", or "world policing" then fine let's go ahead get involved in world affairs, until then the basis of military needs to remain being Common Defense. The amendment process is a fine tool for debate and putting to the people any arguments for which we should make any changes in the Constitution. I'm quite tired of politicians using elections as mandates for their agenda without the people truly having a say.

One step further...
Mr. Buchanan is correct, but he didn't go far enough. The American defense umbrella, as currently constituted over W. Europe, Japan, S. Korea, as well as significant terrirory elsewhere, has subsidized the military defense of others at the expense of Uncle Sam. During the Cold War, this may have served our interests, but it certainly does not any longer. We should either withdraw our forces, or leave them in place, but only if the beneficiaries of our protection pay for it, much as one pays for local police and fire protection. By all means, withdraw from NATO, but why stop there? The U.N. is a waste of taxpayer time and money, and has long since past its expiration date vis-a-vis U.S. national interests. we ought to withdraw from that body, and then throw it out of NYC.

The irony of all of this is that, by protecting our interests and using our forces in their traditional role of homeland defense, we will stiffen the spines of nations grown fat and weak under our care, and thereby make them better allies if and when we should have to fight another large-scale war.

Even if it is still in our interest to be in places like Iraq and Afghanistan (and I am no longer ocnvinced it is, especially for the latter), the point is now moot. We are broke, and cannot afford the number or scale of overseas bases and forward-deployed forces we now have stationed around the globe.

As a nation, we've done far more than our share; it is time for others to do theirs.

Being a very strong Independent
Voter since 21 years of age, Washingtons admonition to avoid factions of political parties was sweet confirmation as to my own heart felt convictions.
I do not like either the democrats or the republicans.
Not to say I do not like a few of the men who have identified with both.
I loved JFK and Ronald Reagan, imagine that.

The insinuation even if I was a d or an r could possibly dismiss the wisdom of Washington, which is STILL WISE, even though the man is dead, is stupid.

My ignorance or your ignorance will never affect the Wisdom of Washington in his Farewell Address



Akagi writes:
TS
Washington also in his farewell address warned about what today would be called political parties--how did that work out for you?

Moot argument
Akagi writes:
TS
The point TS is this is no longer 1796.
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The Constitution was written in 1791, and remains steadfast for today.
That is the way it is with wisdom based in eternal values as Washington handed this nation from an inspiring life of honorable deeds.

What have you ever done here in 2009 that matters to me or any other of my fellow citizens?
hmmm

Between listening to you or Washington...well you are not even in the same Universe, let alone room

correction: Not written
The Constitution was ratified with the addition of the A.'s in 1791, and remains steadfast for today.

Georgia et al
"The American defense umbrella, as currently constituted over W. Europe, Japan, S. Korea, as well as significant terrirory elsewhere, has subsidized the military defense of others at the expense of Uncle Sam."

And it still does. Sorry you aren't in Japan for Japan, you are in Japan as a bridgehead to pursue your interests in Asia. A former PM of Japan said basically the same thing in an article he wrote in Foreign Affairs.

While the UN may be annoying, it does in fact serve the US interest, or do you want US troops in East Timor or running elections in Cambodia?

Lenard:

You aren't "world policing." If you were you'd have stopped what went on in East Timor or Rwanada or in the Sudan. The US uses its military to serve its purposes as it should and the US bases it has abroad serve that purpose.

You're a step short Pat
The new idea is what you miss Pat - the current crew expects Russia to move into the "new world order" and make their place a federal republic - that's why you heard so many from the left quietly wondering and rather astonished when Putin reconsolidated Kremlin power and snatched up backbones of the economy instead of "going the way of the west".
The next confusion was the liberal illiterate screeding about Putin's popularity and blinding themselves to their failed utopian view that didn't materialize, but instead went toward fascism and centralized control in Russia - something they have a hard time hating - as we see now.
So as the bluster goes on, you pointing out the chest thumping on the USA NATO side, the liberals whined and supported their communist motherland in a confused non admission that their utopian marxism just wouldn't cut it in the modern world.
Now we have the very same whiners taking over as they decry their socialist housing plans and it's greedy fallout blowing up the world economy as they take ver more under their screwey destructive wings.
Of course they believe marx still, they have a propensity for blowing capitalism to pieces and rewarding losers, which furthers their mental hatred for winners and losers, and jump starts their centralized power schemes with each new implementation - corrupting the government and all those who can leach and recieve succor, furthering more interferrence and calls for more communism.
The chest thumping will continue - until the situation really becomes more/extremely dangerous - again, if it ever does. Until then, you can push the misnamed reset button with Hillary and hope for change for the better.

Akagi,The Taiwan Firster !

The Germans had 176 Divisions Destroyed by Russia's American and British Allies.

The Germans were more effective by a factor of 6 to The Soviets.

Huge amounts of Ally equipment and supplies propped up the Soviets.

world policing
Akagi, please note I put world policing in quotation marks for a reason as there are those here who feel or think that some form of involving ourselves in the affairs of other nations such as the invasion of Kuwait is a legitimate military action. I also ask you this when is policing ever not done with self interest? It is the same thing as internal policing, no, not precisely, but in essence. As to whether we should, that's merely opinion and likely based on a foundation that says that without our creating, supporting, or restoring stability in certain political arenas that we would not prosper here. If I'm wrong, please correct me in that. I see our to establishing prosperity as being strong here economically and using that leverage with other nations. After WWII we did to a degree, but let our advantage be lost. I suppose I should add, this is not some argument for a weak military, rather a more proper employment of it. I will also again say that the Constitution makes no allowance for military employment other than Common Defense. I'm also a little surprised at you considering your constant attacks (justified) on Lincoln for his refusing to acknowledge state rights, yet you go even further and don't acknowledge the rights of foreign nations to be free of our intervention.

Akagi
Seems you have a pretty good background in History, but I think the conclusions you've reached are wrong.

There are times when people have control over events (to some degree), and there are other times when events control. We're entering the latter period.

Buchanan has been pressing the same points for years, and has been largely written off as a "wingnut" for it. But I think world events are forming in such a way that he will be proven to be more right than wrong.

You're correct in your assertion that it's no longer 1794, and the country can't be governed as it was then. But it's also not 1964, or 1994, or even 2004. Realities have changed, very quickly, and we need to face that fact.

We no longer have the ability to play world policeman, whether you think we do that as an altruistic gesture to spread freedom and democracy around the world, or you think it's done strictly as a realpolitik way of advancing our national interest. Motivation doesn't matter when the ability disappears. We're going to stop because we'll be forced to, no matter why we're doing it.

I'm expecting it will be an interesting summer in Europe, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the Balkans rise again as a flashpoint, as they seem destined to do whenever times get tough. There's a pretty good chance we'll be hearing a lot more about Kosovo in the coming months.

In any case, neither of our opinions mean squat, as events will take control. We're just along for the ride.

Black, White, Hispanic, Asian, & Alien
Guess what folks! Uncle Sam ONLY SEES GREEN.

I am not a Republican or Democrat. I am a Constitutionalist Independent and I KNOW that Government spending is insupportable. If the Government seized all income, we would still be in the RED.

Taxes will not pay down our debts, which have been accumulating since the 1930s.

Blacks, pray tell, how our balance sheet will turn BLACK?

Hispanics, pray tell, how will our balance sheet will turn negro?

Asians, pray tell, how our balance sheet will turn BLACK? (Sorry to say, but the slang word for Black is Gay)

For the Frenchies (like me), the word is noir.

Now, the REAL "aliens" and Government ONLY sees GREEN.

I say NYET!

Right on, as usual, Mr. B!
The insane and idiotic warmongering of the Conservaturds is unbelievable!
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