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Tuesday, March 24, 2009
Pat Buchanan :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Weimar Solution
by Pat Buchanan
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"The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency," said Lord Keynes.

Ben Bernanke disagrees. A student of the Depression, the Fed chair appears far more fearful of deflation -- a vicious cycle of falling prices, debt defaults, home foreclosures and rising unemployment.

Deflation is what America underwent in the 1930s. A Fed-created bubble burst, causing margin calls to go out to stockholders, who ran to their banks that, besieged, collapsed, wiping out a third of our money. As Milton Friedman, who won a Nobel for his thesis that the Federal Reserve caused the Great Depression, told PBS in 2000:

"For every $100 in paper money, in deposits, in cash, in currency, in existence in 1929, by the time you got to 1933 there was only about $65, $66 left. And that extraordinary collapse in the banking system, with about a third of the banks failing ... with millions of people having their savings essentially washed out, that decline was utterly unnecessary.

"(T)he Federal Reserve had the power and the knowledge to have stopped that. And there were people at the time who were ... urging them to do that. So it was ... clearly a mistake of policy that led to the Great Depression."

Is Bernanke fighting the war of 1929 in 2009? Surely, today, with the explosion in M1, the basic money supply, there is no shortage of dollars out there, even if they are not circulating fast enough.

To end our recession, Bernanke may be running an even greater risk: hyper-inflation. This has destroyed more nations than deflation or even depression.

Recall: It was French military intervention in the Ruhr in 1923, to force payment of war reparations, and Weimar's decision to let the currency fall and pay the French in cheap marks that led to the wipeout of the German middle class, the discrediting of that democratic republic and the Munich beer-hall putsch of Adolf Hitler.

"The first panacea for a mismanaged nation," said Ernest Hemingway, "is inflation of the currency; the second is war. Both bring a temporary prosperity; both bring a permanent ruin. But both are the refuge of political and economic opportunists."

Which brings us to last week's shocker.

The Fed will buy up $300 billion in long-term Treasury bonds and spend $750 billion more buying sub-prime mortgages to remove them from the balance sheets of ailing big banks, to get the banks lending again.

Bernanke is printing money to buy U.S. bonds.

This new gusher from the Fed, after the $700 billion TARP bailout, comes on top of a Congressional Budget Office estimate that this year's deficit will be $1.85 trillion, 13.1 percent of gross domestic product, more than twice the share of the U.S. economy of the largest previous postwar deficit.

Concluding the dollar is being abandoned in a frantic Fed effort to stop the recession, markets reacted instantly. The dollar plunge was the steepest since the Plaza Agreement of 1985. Gold shot up to $950 an ounce. Silver had a 12 percent run-up, the sharpest ever. Oil prices surged above $50 a barrel. Commodity markets advanced.

The Fed seems to have confirmed the fears of Premier Wen Jiabao, who said that China is "definitely a little worried" about the value of the U.S. bonds Beijing has purchased with the dollars piled up from her trade surpluses with the United States.

Can one blame the Chinese? They have already been burned on their U.S. investments. And if the defense of the dollar against its ancient enemy inflation is being abandoned, and protecting the dollar is to take a back seat to the Fed's fight to avoid deflation, than it is indeed time to get out of the dollar and dollar-denominated assets.

For inflation is theft. It make liars and cheats of governments. By eroding the value of a currency, inflation punishes savers and creditors and rewards debtors. And what nation is the biggest debtor of them all? The United States of America.

Insidiously, inflation consumes the value of cash, savings, municipal bonds, corporate bonds, Treasury bonds and T-bills. Friends who lent America money, who bought our debt in good faith, are robbed and made fools of, while speculators who bet against America by shorting the dollar in the currency markets are vastly rewarded.

Given the $3.6 trillion budget Obama plans, the $1.8 trillion in red ink he will run by Oct. 1 and the trillions the Fed is pumping into the economy, gross domestic product should spike, as it did after the far smaller stimulus package of 2008

We will feel a healthy glow, and folks will begin to sing, "Happy Days Are Here Again."

Yet, one senses that we are doing again exactly what we have done before in this generation. Rather than endure the pain and accept the sacrifices to cure us of our addiction, we are going back to the heroin. And this time, with Dr. Bernanke handling the needle, we may just overdose.

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WP: 82% of GDP in 10 Years!!!

Before reading, keep in mind that the EU average for its countries' with anemic growth is 47% of GDP...

“In the midst of this bonfire of inanities, President Obama is pressing ahead with a $3.6 trillion budget, predicated on utterly unrealistic economic growth, even as the Congressional Budget Office is now projecting that this year’s deficit will soar past $1.8 trillion, 13 percent of the US economy. This would amount, as the Washington Post reports, to ‘the deepest well of red ink since the end of World War II.’ According to the Post, the CBO is warning, ominously, that the result of this kind of borrowing and spending could lead to an exponentially expanding national debt that would ‘exceed 82 percent of the overall economy by 2019.’”

President Obama came to office proclaiming that he aims to solve problems, not hand them on to our children. Most presidents say that sort of thing. But now we are in very dire straits, and that being the case, he will be held to account. It’s your legacy, sir, and let’s not hear any more about ‘inheriting the crisis.’ You asked for the job. Meanwhile, let us hope that his talent for mastering a sérieux financial crisis are not on a level with the Special Olympians of Wall Street, and Congress.”

George Soros
made his fortune in money futures....anyone tracking his activities lately????

George Soros
made his fortune in money futures....anyone tracking his activities lately????

Frigthening Facts About Our Finances

1) What is the GDP of the US in a good year?


~$14,000bn

2) What is the current national debt?


~$12,000bn

3) What will be the budget deficit next year?


~$1,300bn

4) How much will Obama's deficit add to the national debt in the next 10 years?


~$9,300bn

5) What is the estimated amount of unfunded mandates (social security, medicare, and medicaid) on the "books" of the United States?


Between $56,000bn and $75,000bn

6) At what income figure would the US government have to seize all income in order to pay down the CURRENT deficit and debt?


~$75,000

7) What was the effect of the debt saddled on each and every American from the Stimulus bill?


~$38,000 in debt was charged to each and every American.


8) What is the multiple of cash injected by the Federal Reserve in the last 6 months?


~279%

9) Are we currently in a deflationary or inflationary cycle?


Deflationary

10) What are two examples of depressions with hyperinflation?

The Weimar Republic in Germany during the 1920s through Hitler's rise to Furher in 1933.

Current day Zimbabwe where Mugabe seized all of the assets of the plantation owners to spread the wealth. Devalued Zimbabwe's once stron currency and destroyed the former thriving economy.

11) What is the minimum expected rate of inflation once recovery begins?

At the very minimum, inflation will be 5-8% when recovery begins, which will act as a disincentive for employers to expand and hire more workers. It will make feeding one's family, buying a car, paying tuition, and surviving in an evironment where the overall cost-of-living is dramatically higher than it has been.

The dollar no more
Will we have to start printing $500, $1000 and $5000 dollars notes again?

I wonder when
The American people are going to wake up to the fact the entire economy of the USA and the world is controlled by a few select men.

Bankers are behind all of this, and Obama is their man, just as GW Bush was.(I know, some just cannot accept that.

Bankers have owned the Government since FDR, thanks to Woodrow Wilson giving them the Federal Reserve Counterfeiting scam.

Nothing in this is new, its a very old scam.

The Currency Act of 1764

British Parliment - 1764


WHEREAS great quantities of paper bills of credit have been created and issued in his Majesty's colonies or plantations in America, by virtue of acts, orders, resolutions, or votes of assembly, making and declaring such bills of credit to be legal tender in payment of money: and whereas such bills of credit have greatly depreciated in their value,...
http://ahp.gatech.edu/currency_act_1764.html

"Frightening"

Me bad.

Not so fast..Much of this debt is secure
These homes that started this problem also will solve the problem. They will again rise in value as they cannot be replaced at the current market value. This is a new thing. We purchase these homes from the banks and re-market them using the private sector will start commissions flowing to realtors and employment for the system it takes to resell, etc. etc.

Talk of gloom and doom does not make the gloom mongers any smarter than anyone else. What do they want to do, go around saying I told yu so?

I remember ration stamps and saving tin cans and A stickers to get a little gas. My folks killed my pet rabbit for meat. WPA and PWA. Hobo's begging sandwitches at the back door an housewives giving them something and not afraid as they knew these men were fathers and just like everyone else.

It was only a few years ago and now look where we are? Of course a hi speed rail to Las Vegas is a bit stupid.

Don Jones
TownhallPlus.com

The Nazis are here
Today the Government targets AIG executives whose actions they don't like Tomorrow, who will be their punitive tax targets? http://stopthepresses2.blogspot.com/search/label/Nazis

OD-ing
I'd have to say it's been apparent for a long while. Have you noticed how fat Americans are? No need to fear a beer-hall putsch, though. Americans are not only fat, they are lazy & cowardly.
Bernanke has offered them a thumb to suck on!

Really was sound reason


For this to be the Law of the Land.


United States Constitution


"We the People..."



Article I
Section 10. No state shall .... emit bills of credit; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts;

NOT PAPER, Gold and Silver only.
Never been amended either and is still the law, even if the crooks in DC ignore it

British Member of Parliament said this about the Bank of England in 1810.

"There is something so consummately ridiculous in the idea of a nation's getting money by paying interest to itself upon its own stock, that the mind of every rational man naturally rejects it. It is, really, something little short of madness to suppose, that a nation can increase its wealth; increase its means of paying others; that it can do this by paying interest to itself. When time is taken to reflect, no rational man will attempt to maintain a proposition so shockingly absurd" (William Cobbett, M.P., Paper Against Gold, p.83).

It is ridiculous, we do it anyway and that is why is stikes everyone who watches this going on with bail-outs and debt, interest, job loss ETC. KNOWS none of it is right or smart.
Its stupid for all of us but brilliant for the bankers and politicians.

Who are flipping all of us the middle finger and saying, screw you all, you can't do anything about it.

Obama's Approval Rating Is 50%
Tomorrow morning, Zogby will release a new poll showing that Obama's approval rating is now 50%.

The honeymoon is over, a national poll will signal tomorrow as President Obama’s job approval stumbles to about 50 percent over the lack of improvement with the crippled economy.

The sobering numbers come as the president backpedals from two prime-time gaffes - one comparing his bowling score to a Special Olympian and another awkwardly laughing about the economy, which prompted Steve Kroft of “60 Minutes” to ask “are you punch-drunk?”

Pollster John Zogby said his poll out in the morning will show Americans split on the president’s performance. He said the score factors out to “about 50-50.”


Falling, Falling, Falling.

Where are the statistics?
M3 is a better measure of the quantity of money outstanding than M1. At least is was a better measure. The Bush Administration stopped publishing it in 2005.

The inflation during the Bush years was astounding. So imagine what the last twelve months looks like. But without M3, we can only imagine.

Patrick writes:
By eroding the value of a currency, inflation punishes savers and creditors and rewards debtors. And what nation is the biggest debtor of them all? The United States of America.
======================

Here's proof

http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi

What cost $1.00 in 1913 would cost $20.73 in 2007.

When we still went by the law and used only gold or silver, the opposite happened as the dollar increased in value.
(this is the only real dollars anyway)

What cost $1.00 in 1800 would cost $0.58 in 1913.

By 2010, one of two things will happen.
The (FRN's)Banking Notes we falsely call dollars will have been replaced for the world currency China and Russia are calling for, or, we will have the Weimar Republic that a ton of "dollars" will not be enough to by ones daily bread.
If there is any bread to buy, that is.

Scam
The international bankers have succeeded in doing more than just controlling the money supply.

Today they actually create the money supply, while making it appear to be created by the government.

Contrary to the law of the land.
Section 8. The Congress shall have power to....
To coin money, regulate the value thereof


This devious scheme was revealed by Sir Josiah Stamp, director of the Bank of England and the second richest man in Britain in the 1920s. Speaking at the University of Texas in 1927, he dropped this bombshell:

Quote:
The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. Banking was conceived in inequity and born in sin . . . . Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them but leave them the power to create money, and, with a flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again. . . . Take this great power away from them and all great fortunes like mine will disappear, for then this would be a better and happier world to live in. . . . But, if you want to continue to be the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let bankers continue to create money and control credit.

We have been a nation of law breakers for many years now with the Federal Reserve banking scam

Well
hopefully the commie red libtards can do their marxist duty and destroy capitalism by debasing the currency, and usher in their new post capital explosion red doper diaper baby fascist utopia, thereby proving they were 100% red correct all along.
I wish they'ed hurry up and implement, because as I understand it then I am part owner of everything, and can just TAKE whatever riches any libtard has, to cut them down to their portion which now is approximately $47,000.00 per year. I suppose without capitalism it will be maybe 3 or 4 thou a year, so hurry it up, i have a lot of millionaire libs to ROB BLIND with the mob - and beating them into the pavement for the robberies as they protest their newly formed lib dream utopia won't be disappointing at all.
Hurry up libtards, destroy it all ! You're following your manifesto, it's more than obvious, come on my knuckles are getting real itchy.

The rule of God
is "what you sow is what you reap."

Whether gov't or individual.

The individual can't blame the gov't for his or her own stupid choices.

He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

There is a future here. Something that has always been true.

Live for God

George Soros
Read "The Shadow Party - How George Soros, Hilary Clinton, , and Sixties Radicals Seized Control of the Democratic Party" by David Horowitz and Richard Poe. This book shows how George Soros manufactured coups by destroying 6 economies to further his 'Open Society' agenda and to increase his own personal wealth.

These were Slovakia in 1998, Croatia in 1999, Yugoslavia in 2000, Georgia in 2003, Ukraine in 2004, and Kyrgyzstan in 2005.

So I was curious as to how much he had made off of our current crisis. It turns out to be at least $2 Billion.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/03/10/made-millions-worlds-riche st-people-billionaires-2009-billionaires-gainer_slide_6.htm l?thisSpeed=15000


Juseff
You bring up a point that has been on my mind since i heard that Soros has spent many many millions directly and indirectly getting Dumbo elected. Do you think Soros could profit financially with a pipeline into the WH? The ultimate in insider trading. The greatest sting of all time. If i had a fortune to protect, i would certainly be watching old George closely, and playing the monkey.

Wrong title, Patrick
This should have been titled the Weimar problem. I know the problem, i was looking for a solution. As it stands, i'm going to try to buy income property at somewhere close to the saddle point where inflation takes over the current dropping prices in the real estate market. It has turned around in a very few places, still dropping here in Florida.

For some humor
drop by my blog. I have posted a RARE photo of B.O. Without his Teleprompter.

Pat Good Stuff But Keep Your Hands Stil
Pat, you left out the long range result or punch line. Obama's ultimate goal is to make a permanent hard left and the wizards of Wall Street, Federal Reserve, Congress and the rest of the gubermint are assisting. And by the way, do you not think they are taking names for the future?

Uh Oh ! Liquidity By Inflation !

Oh Joy !
Bernanke , another Wizard Of Smart Fed Chair follows that other Wizard Of Smart Greenspan.

So Bernanke thinks He'll Monetizing The Debt and Counterfeit His Way Out Of This Recessionary Period.

Bernanke is willing to Tank The Dollar.

These Deconstructionist Genius Fed Chiefs are Traitors To America.

It's all part of the plan !!
Obama wants to wipe out the middle class and ruin people's life savings.

The more poor people we have, the more Democratic voters there are. This is all about creating a larger Democratic voting block.

Look at FDR. He was the most incompetent president of the century. His policies prolonged the Great Depression. He ruined millions of lives, but he is worshipped by Democrats because he made the party larger and stronger by making more people dependent about the government.

Obama is just following in his hero's footsteps, while we drown in his wake.

The kooks
Who was the only one talking about the inflation tax during the last primary season? What was everyone's opinion of him? What is the general mood of the comments on this board now? Guess we're all kooky now.

The 1920s depression
My title was not a typo. The early 1920s had all the makings of a depression, but it never happened. Harding did nothing, against his Commerce Secretary's (Hoover) wishes. The "depression" lasted one year.

I FEAR FOR MY PROGENY
The Democrats are driving the nation into moral and financial bankuptsy because of their lust for power -- a virtual hangover from the defaets of Gore and Kerry.

The cultural diversity of the nation is exemplified by Mexifornia. The sexual morality of the nation is defined by the homosexual agenda. The money system supporting this may depend on the new currency defined by China and Russia. At 79, I am ready to go, but I fear for my progeny

What Does Hyperinflation Look Like?
Click on the link below and take a look at the photograph. This was Zimbabwe in September 2007. The man in the picture needed to pay his restaurant tab, and he made a point of paying in cash … all Z$7.6 million of it. You know what that would buy today? The drink.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/23/so-what-would-nationa l-bankruptcy-mean/


I wonder how much it costs for the Happy Meal?


WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE GOOSE
Is good for the Gander.
If our government values 'toxic' assets to the tune of billions or trillions of our currency, then they should be 'thrilled' if American taxpayers 'remit' all their 'toxic' assets in lieu of tax dollars.
And as soon as the old outhouse outback is disassembled, it'll be sent to IRS with our 1040A Federal Income Tax Form----C.O.D. I'm sure t. gueithner will find it worth so much more than what we owe in 'tax dollars'.

Deflation is Good Pt 1
Deflation, the reduction of the cost of goods and services, is not a bad thing. Monetary deflation, the instance where currency is leaving a market or its growth is being artificially hindered, is something we haven't ever dealt with.

Great Depression deflation? Those $40 out of the $100 being "lost" was just a revaluation of bubble wealth. Banks, who were permitted to loan out customer deposits without their consent, thought they had $100. It turned out to be an emotionally driven falsity as much of those loans went into the overvalued stock market. The Federal Reserve created the bubble but wisely refrained from trying to prop it up with currency. Of course, FDR made that mistake for them.

Deflation occurrs when we automate production, reducing the required level of labor to produce goods and services. This allows for us to buy more goods and services with our income and allows for a broader and greater variety of them to be put out on the market for our consumption. Why did the market deflate between 1800 and 1913? Factories were built, labor was specialized, fewer people were able to produce more, allowing for the expansion off other goods and intangible services, bettering all of our lives in the process.

How is this a bad thing?

When the market tries to deflate, let it. We let it deflate in every instance before 1929 and only when we tried to keep the market from deflating did we have a major depression.

Inflation, on the other hand, is just pure evil. Inflation SHOULD be a market indicator that a product or service is in shortening supply, signaling new competition to enter and provide the product. When we have annual currency inflation, this signal is obscured or outright hidden from view, meaning we don't know if the product is increasing in price this year because there is a strain in the supply chain or our existing wealth is being stolen by bankers and Treasury bond underwriters.

Deflation is Good Pt. 2
These companies during the 1800-1913 deflation (the excuse to build the Fed) didn't lose profits. Their profits remained the same or grew, they prices only defalted because the cost of producing their product declined. When prices drop, we spend less on things we want or need thus allowing us to buy more of the things we want or need.

Any and all inflation due to currency expansion is a bad thing. Deflation is not a bad thing, it allows the market to correct a grossly overvalued product and allows us to buy more with what we own. Only those that try and capitalize on eternal inflation (aka Ponzi schemes) are harmed in the process.

We need to allow these people profiting off of inflation to go under as a signal to the rest of us to not do it, instead we make the wrong decision and bail them out.

What To Do
Great article. Super. Wonderful. Simply the best. Excellent.

You people should be outraged. Get all mad, yell, shout, call talk radio, write your congressmen, email them and tie up their lines.

But do pay your taxes. Pay them soon. The deadline's approaching. Don't you dare be late and don't you dare cheat. It's illegal to cheat on your taxes. It's against the law to not report income. Don't you dare try it. You'll get in big trouble.

You have every right to complain to your leaders. But do pay your taxes.

Millions of Obama voters are waiting for their checks. Lots of immigrants need your money too, as do many foreign countries. So don't be late.

Maybe we'll have designated areas so you can complain. They'll be national wailing walls, away from business centers, in remote parts of the country, where all good Americans can shake their fists at the sky and mail envelopes with tea bags.

But pay your taxes. Pay your taxes. Pay your taxes.

Pay Taxes
As late as possible this year. Follow Government's advice. Wait until the very last second to pay because you can use your inflated currency to pay off last year's now cheaper debts.

Over My Head
The technical aspects of this article are way over my head. Pat's command of Eco 101 is admirable in our current crisis.

Even the allusion to history is something I have zero memory of, having been born in 1951.

However, I grew up in a different sort of depression. One handed down through generations. In this regard, some of us are close to the folks whose ancestors were slaves.

In "Beyond Good and Evil" Nietzsche remarks that suicide gives a body some comfort through many a "dreadful night."

Let us all hope and pray for the best during these extraordinarily depressing times.

It is laughable that conservaturds
are trying to pin all of this on Obama/Dems when they're merely continuing the policies of GWB/Reps.

Ron Paul
Ron Paul was right, of course. Instead, he was discredited by crooks like Rudy and Romney...who laughed at Dr. Paul in the debates...and a conservative media (led by Rush and Hannity). The discreditors of Ron Paul wouldn't recognize true conservatism if it reached up and bit 'em in their neo-con/Rockefeller rears. Those running the GOP have been complicit in all of this, of course, so why would we want them back in power? They aren't much better than Obama. I'm a conservative who sees little of value in either the Democratic or Republican parties. They are all sell-outs who are just alternating periods of power.

cjb56
"Ron Paul was right, of course."

We'll be saying this regularly in the future. Don't know if you're a Glenn Beck fan, but he has him on all the time, and has said that if Ron ran as a 3rd party candidate he would have voted for him.

Bombed Out
I wonder how the total destruction of Europe and Asia in WWll helped the United States get out of The 1930’s Great depression?

I mean the United States was the only industrial power house to survive the war.

The United States help rebuild Europe and Japan.

The United States ended up with all the spoils of War.

I’m guessing FDR policies and big government spending wasn’t what got the USA out of the Great Depression.

The fact that everyone else was reduced to rubble had to give the USA a huge advantage.

Bombed out 2
The fact that Russia and China turned to communism giving the USA a huge monopoly over the remaining worlds resources had to help.

It is funny
that some liberals posting here conveniently forget that congress has been controlled by DEMOCRATS since 2006, before the curent sub prime fiasco.

And this stupid plan originally started under democrats as far back as the 30's and has been updated by democrats as recently as the 70's and 90's.

They also forget that democrats have had the majority of control over the house/senate for the last 80 years... Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Bush Sr - all had democratically controlled house and senate. Republicans on the other hand while in control have had great success, such as the Regan years and end of the 90's.

While both parties have blame - the left has the lion's share. History spells it out.

Americans under surveillance
Hope that no one is Anti-Abortion, a war protester, a Ron Paul supporter, a member of a third party, or a member of the Campaign for Liberty. If you are you may be "on the radar" of the U.S. Government.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/23/fus ion-centers-expand-criteria-identify-militia-members/

Here is a link to the report

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13290698/The-Modern-Militia-Movem entMissouri-MIAC-Strategic-Report-20Feb09-

Americans under surveillance
Hope that no one is Anti-Abortion, a war protester, a Ron Paul supporter, a member of a third party, or a member of the Campaign for Liberty. If you are you may be "on the radar" of the U.S. Government.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/23/fus ion-centers-expand-criteria-identify-militia-members/

Here is a link to the report

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13290698/The-Modern-Militia-Movem entMissouri-MIAC-Strategic-Report-20Feb09-

Take action to stop Obama and Congress
On March 28, 2009 there is an election in the Albany, New York US Congressional district to fill the seat of the woman Senator who replace Hilary Clinton. I strongly suggest that anyone in that district or anyone who has friends or relatives in that district MAKE SURE YOU VOTE FOR THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE on March 28th, 2009. If we don't start waking up these US Congressman and woman that they can not expect to keep their jobs in November 2010 if they sell out the people, then all is lost. This is a rare chance to wake them up. VOTE EARLY AND OFTEN. Pass this message on.

If Congress
And the President are not bound by the US Constitution and their sworn oath to the Constitution, they are anarchists all.

We have no Constitutional Government today, we have no rule of law today other than the rules the liars and scam artists make up for a new day.

American Federal Government is in anarchy against the US Constitution.
Every bit of this present day spending of counterfeit "money" is a crime against the people of America.

FEDS Vs. LIMITED POWER BY LAW
Great article by Mr. Buchanan and I love his last paragraph because it's true. The feds have trampled on the U.S. government with the blessings of ex-tax evader Gaithner and President Obama who are saying to the dumbed down Americans, "Look, the casing (Wall Street) is up and running and you can start gambling again." Many citizens don't realize that the intent of the Feds is to control all of the banks, seize them, confiscate money; and control the country and the world by fear tactics and Obama's "charm." They're using tactics that DO NOT STIMULATE AN ECONOMY LONG TERM, but only a short term before they run out of ink and their printing press breaks down. The bubble will burst and the American people could find themselves enslaved by a socialist agenda. Electric cars or walk. Toll roads and cameras everywhere. High cost for food. No growing food in your backyards. Government dependency and the elimination of free enterprise. But, don't worry, they have our money and they'll appear on the late night shows and laugh and make fun or Special Olympics and eat $100 lb steaks flewn in from Japan and party every Wednesday night and tell you what you can and can't do because "CHANGE IS COMING TO AMERICA!" The thugs have taken over America, I do believe.

Debt Service Through 2019

Conservative projects on our national debt indicate increases in borrowing will cause the interest payments (based on current rates) to inflate from $253bn in FY 2008 to $622bn in FY 2019, which is an increase of $369bn or 145.8%.

As interest rates increase, which they will as foreign lenders demand higher rates for the money extended, the interest payment in 2019 will be in the neighborhood of $750bn, which would represent 2/3 of the national budget.

To supplement Denise
Conservative in this case is not the political term but the act of low-balling the cost.

Somebody help me
So the Weimar Republic collapsed about 1923. Hitler became Chancellor in 33. By 1938, Germany was prosperous enough to be the envy of the world, Hitler was the most admired politician, they had butter and enough left over to finance a massive military buildup. I am uncertain about all this, especially what Hitler did to turn things around. Some things i've heard. First, vagrancy was a serious crime, punishable by induction into a work camp. With German currency worthless else where, Germans had to do everything for themselves, which raised employment in a period where the efficiencies of trade didn't help those with no sound currency. Quality products efficiently manufactured created a positive balance of trade as the world economy recovered. National pride, cultural respect for education and industry, contempt for sloth led the recovery, just as it did in Germany and Japan in the dark days after 1945. These are the things which can carry us out of this mess. More debt will NOT.

Excellent Comments (for the most part)

Fairly good piece by Pat although he did manage to sneak in some of his crazy foreign affairs stuff. The man can not write anything without mentioning Nazi Germany. WHY?!

On another note and regarding Pat's column, I continue to be astounded by what's happening to my country. Dr. Sowell wrote today we're becoming a "Banana Republic". How true. Conservative commentators are shouting (Glenn Beck in particular) daily warnings about financial disaster in America.

Then there's the foreign front which Obama has even less of a clue. It's midnight.



Pirate Rob, Denise
Pirate Rob
I have many times corrected those who credit WW2 as the cause of our post war prosperity. Britain, France, Germany, Japan and Russia were also in the war and it did them no good. It was the destruction of our competition, just as you describe, and the resulting positive influx of money and talent that fueled our recovery. In effect, our expenses for WW2 were a stimulus which permitted us to bomb our competition flat. I doubt we will have that option this time, but stranger things have happened. In any case its the neutrals who REALLY make out like Sweden selling the Bofors 40mm to both sides, etc. WE did the same for 3 years during WW1, and our profits enabled the boom of the roaring 20's. One possible solution to our problems has always been superior stupidity somewhere else.
Denise
Your figures scare me. Now if you could only get through to the knee-jerk trolls who are still kvetching about who shot john as nemesis bears down on us.

This explains it...
So this is why the Chinese are calling for a single world currency - to preserve the value of their investments.

And quite frankly, TC, understanding the failure of the Weimar Republic is essential to preventing a repeat elsewhere in the world - Nazis be damned.

Pistol & Justin

Pistol, the figures should scare living hell out of anyone, including liberals. The fact is that there is not a tax rate high enough to make up the deficit. The interest rates will kill us. While Bernanke is trying to avert further deflation and prevent the economy from sliding into a depression, in the future inflationary monetary policy will have to be used to monetize the debt and prevent default. Of course, the higher inflation goes, the less likely we will see outside investment.

I wish that I could corral all liberals and those, who believe that this situation does not pose the most frightening predicament that this country has ever faced. Even in the 1930s, the Federal Reserve did not act in such a reckless manner.


Justin, thanks for the clarification. While most people understand what "conservative" means relative to projections, the word is radioactive for liberals and cause them to discount everything that follows.

Hemmingway?
I am no fan of hyperinflation or of Bernanke and his policies, but I'm perplexed by the citation of the suicidal alcoholic Hemmingway as an authority on matters monetary and economic.

According to Milton Friedman
{In 2002 Ben Bernanke made this startling admission in a speech given in honor of Friedman’s 90th birthday: “I would like to say to Milton and Anna: Regarding the Great Depression, you’re right. We did it. We’re very sorry.”

As a result of examining more closely the key years between 1929 and 1933, Friedman and Schwartz first concluded that the Great Depression was not the necessary and direct result of the stock-market crash of October 1929, which they attribute to a speculative investment bubble. (The popping of the “bubble” may have been instigated by the Federal Reserve’s raising of the discount rate—the interest rate the Fed charges on loans to commercial banks—in August 1929. The cause of the speculative bubble that led to the crash is a somewhat controversial topic. Whereas Friedman and Schwartz accepted that the bubble was caused by investors, seemingly endorsing—at least partly—the Keynesian “animal spirits” explanation, Austrian economists have argued otherwise.) In fact, they believed that the economy could have recovered rather rapidly if only the Fed—the central bank of the United States —had not engaged in a series of disastrous policies in the aftermath of the crash.

As Milton and Rose Friedman wrote in Free to Choose:

The [Federal Reserve] System could have provided a far better solution by engaging in large-scale open market purchases of government bonds. That would have provided banks with additional cash to meet the demands of their depositors. That would have ended—or at least sharply reduced—the stream of bank failures and have prevented the public’s attempted conversion of deposits into currency from reducing the quantity of money. Unfortunately, the Fed’s actions were hesitant and small. In the main, it stood idly by and let the crisis take its course—a pattern of behavior that was to be repeated again and again during the next two years.}

http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/the-great-depressi on-according-to-milton-friedman/

If Maobama, through his policies and

practices can damage the U.S. economy significantly, the masses will go along with anything he proposes that they believe will restore prosperity.

With that kind of mindless support, a man with NPD is liable to do anything that might add to his own perception of himself as the only thing of importance in the world.

Pistol writes:
Somebody help me
So the Weimar Republic collapsed about 1923. Hitler became Chancellor in 33. By 1938, Germany was prosperous enough to be the envy of the world, Hitler was the most admired politician, they had butter and enough left over to finance a massive military buildup. I am uncertain about all this, especially what Hitler did to turn things around.
=====================
I wondered the same thing Pistol and looked into it.

Details are numerous in how Hitler forced Germans into public service.

I really cannot say it any better than someone else has already said it.

quote:

When the Nazis came to power the most pressing issue was an unemployment rate of close to 30%. The economic management of the state was first given to respected banker Hjalmar Schacht.

Under his guidance, a new economic policy to elevate the nation was drafted.

One of the first actions was to destroy the trade unions and impose strict wage controls.

The government then expanded the money supply through massive deficit spending.
However at the same time the government imposed a 4.5% interest rate ceiling, creating a massive shortage in borrowable funds.
This was resolved by setting up a series of dummy companies that would pay for goods with bonds.

The most famous of these was the MEFO company, and these bonds used as currency became known as mefo bills.....
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061024182500A AbTBrL



Decent read, but one must understand how it was all done by banking and government going into partnership.

Exactly what we see happening right now here in the USA


Hitler
Took over the creation of the money supply and used the work force in Germany for its backing.

Hitler said,
"For every mark issued, we required the equivalent of a mark's worth of work done, or goods produced."

"The government paid workers in Certificates.

Workers spent those Certificates on other goods and services, thus creating more jobs for more people.
In this way the German people climbed out of the crushing debt imposed on them by the international bankers."

The bankers are in control of our money supply today, and will bring the same inflation that destroyed the Weimar Republic.

Hitler defeated that by creating his own money supply and removing international bankers from owning the money supply.
Too bad our government will not take back the power to create money from the thieving bankers, and return us the the real money of the US Constitution.
Gold and Silver backed money.

NOT DEBT backed fiat paper

OBAMA, APPEASEMENT AND WORLD UPHEAVAL
Everywhere the question is being asked "Is Barack Obama a patriotis American?" The answer is no, he is not, at least not as the word is commonly understood as one who loves his country above all earthly things. For before all else Obama is a "world citizen," a humanitarian idealist whose loyalty is to the good of humanity before the interests of our country-the interests that he swore to "uphold and defend" in his bungled oath of office. In Obama's mind our capitalist democracy is a danger to the world and poorly serving it: poorly serving its peace, its security, its environment and climate, its poor, oppressed, downtrodden peoples. America, in short, is no longer a good world citizen and must be saved from itself and radically changed; saved from the small-minded, patriotic, warmongering nationalist Right; saved from the sins of greed, profit seeking, self-centeredness and individualism; saved from men like Joe the Plumber and the menacing Rush Limbaugh. In short, we must be saved from the old America of Ronald Reagan and John Wayne and join the New Age of enlightened world servers if humanity and our imperiled planet is to survive.......

Click my name and read the rest of "The Obama Doctrine of Appeasement and Signs of World Upheaval."




PVZ wrote
"Hemmingway?
I am no fan of hyperinflation or of Bernanke and his policies, but I'm perplexed by the citation of the suicidal alcoholic Hemmingway as an authority on matters monetary and economic. "

The point is that even a suicidal alcoholic like Hemingway could see this.

Jim

The fed
The Fed was created in 1913, for it’s first seven years it kept interest rates low and the dollar loose.

Then in 1920 it pulled back the rein and the market crashed. 5,600 non Fed banks crashed.

With the competition out of the way they loosened up the money supply again and we got the roaring twenties. Speculation and leverage ran wild-great times never end right. Early in 1929 Rockefeller, Morgan and others quietly pulled out of the market. Fed pulled in the reins again and the market crashed.

Fed policies kept up the misery when FDR officially declared America Bankrupt and confiscated all the private gold in America….Fast forward to today. The dollar has to be devalued to a point that Americans will readily accept the new Amero which has to be in place before the North American Union is finalized.

"Whoever controls the volume of money in our country is absolute master of all industry and commerce...and when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate.”

James A. Garfield, assassinated president of the United States"

Talent Scout
Thanks a million, in 2008 dollars, not 2018 whatevers.

Your account provides fill-in details on what little i knew and my intuition on what had to have happened. This draconian solution has many elements of the recovery of the countries smashed by WW2. The economy is in shambles, the "money" has no purchasing power at home, let alone across a border. Unemployment is high, people are desperate just for bread, literally, and even the upper classes are making it on barter and income property. Faced with grim survival, people do not cavil about losing unions which can not give them a job, or complain about going to work, when the result is a certificate which can be traded for something to eat. Naturally those who rely on a dole starve, because the dole is paid in "money" which can buy nothing.

I'd say we are going into the Weimar stage, led by the same sort of people at the top who greeased Hitler's ascent to power. They were incompetent, self-agrandizing, cared nothing for Germany, and thought they could control Hitler. Exactly the same sort now inhabiting DC. Well, Dumbo is no HItler. For one thing Hitler had guts, he was a decorated combat infantryman, and he loved Germany. Hitler WAS a damaged person, twisted by his experiences into seeking revenge for the past. convinced of his own moral superiority, utterly ruthless and without compunction, not just toward his enemies, but toward anyone. But, enough of the parallels.

So, TS, my portfolio is in tatters, but those little pieces of farmland in Va, Pa and near Ocala are starting to look better and better. People must eat, and require shelter. Slumlord sounds like an upcoming business.

Ron Paul
Yet another misunderstanding of his views. Much like Reagan, Paul advocated a very strong military for use as a deterrent and for our national defense. Paul is a very strong defense-hawk. He is not a fan, however, of the neo-con foreign policy that uses our military as a global police force and took us into places like Iraq. Paul voted to use military force in Afghanistan. It's not like he is some Dennis Kucinich pacifist. By the way, it's an over-simplification to just say that we brought 9/11 upon ourselves, but it is correct to say that our Middle East policy, particularly the blind allegiance to Israel no matter what, was a driving motivation for Bin Laden and his followers. I know that is not a popular point of view on the neo-con owned Townhall.com, but it doesn't make it any less true. That is not meant to excuse the actions of Bin Laden, which were reprehensible, but it is meant to explain HIS motivation.

Dishonest money,dishonest gov't.
If Ben Bernanke had spent as much time in studying the Weimar Republic as much as he studied the Great Depression,he would not be pulling a trillion here and a trillion there from his posterior.

Steve and reply @ 12:39 p.m. EST

Steve, do not wish to stray from the thrust of the discussion, but I think Pat's unending obsession with Nazi Germany is just that.

Only one conservative writer at TOWNHALL (or in the country for that matter) mentions WW11 Germany in six out of every ten columns they write. Why does Buchanan do this? That's the question I asked. I think it's a fair one.


Pat
Buchanan is a student of history and uses historical references all the time. He references the WW2 period, quite often, mainly because it was our last modern time of world upheavel. To claim that he uses Nazi Germany as a historical reference more than the many others he uses is a stretch, in my opinion. Just because Buchana does not agree with the notion that we need a "special relationship" with Israel, above that of our other allies, does not make Pat a rabid anti-Semite...as if often claimed, nor does it make him a closet Nazi.

Jeesh. Name me one other county where if you criticize their official government policies, you are labeled a racist? Only Israel.

I wish this was as well known as bread
Pistol
You wrote:
"I'd say we are going into the Weimar stage, led by the same sort of people at the top who greeased Hitler's ascent to power."

To begin with this and dig into the people who backed Hitler it gets much more revealing as to who it is now bring America down.

This guy, banker
Hjalmar Schacht was a tool of the international bankers, and Hitler used the users when he by-passed the bankers and created his own certificates.

Its amazing how many Wall Street Bankers had been involved with every bit of the rise of Hitler and WW2.

quote:
The financing for Hitler and his S.S. street thugs came in part from affiliates or subsidiaries of U.S. firms, including Henry Ford in 1922, payments by I.G. Farben and General Electric in 1933, followed by the Standard Oil of New Jersey and I.T.T.

Here is another decent read:
http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/HITLER.html

I have spent time tracing this info down, I find nothing of error in it.

The bankers were involved in not just Hitler, but also Lenin and Stalin.

Like Jefferson, Jackson and Lincoln said...bankers are more dangerous than Standing Armies.

Stop the Spending
Congress and Obama are putting us into a hole we may not get out of.

Tell Congress that it's time to STOP the Spending!

Don't let them claim that they never heard from you.

Follow the link and send your members a personlized fax today.

You can even fax entire groups at once, (all Republicans, Democrats, or state delegations)

http://www.conservativeoutpost.com/campaign/cta/stop_spendi ng


Too Many Morons!
I'm tired of these retards supposedly “in charge” of the economy botching everything they touch! PhDs from supposedly prestigious universities obviously does nothing to increase our chances as a Nation to recover from the disaster these same “experts have manufactured.

The Federal Reserve is NOT a viable rescue mechanism for a tanking economy; it actually can only have a very minimal effect on the mega systemic aberration caused by the crooks of Wall Street (and the enabler: Government). There’s nothing backing the Federal Reserve other than the soundness of the economy. When the economy is on an even keel the Fed can make small corrections. But when the economy is in free fall it has no positive effect, rather it will absolutely make the economy worse. Now the Fed wants to be “the tail wagging the dog”. What morons! Run them all out on a rail!
The Fed is way, WAY over-rated, a bad idea from its inception (the gold standard argument), and looking at their palatial digs you'd think it's the power center of the world...NOT!

What has failed in our country is not capitalism. It is our intentional undermining of it. When risk in the capitalistic model is arbitrarily tampered with by outside forces that don’t have the necessary deeper understanding of that risk then the model breaks down possibly to a catastrophic state if large scale tampering was perpetrated as with this current situation. That is why government intervention is a terrible idea. Government’s role should be limited to lean and smart regulatory oversight to ensure a level playing field but otherwise should butt out completely. Typical to liberal mindset this axiom of capitalism has been turned on its head. Catastrophe will follow, “no ifs or buts about it”!

Feds & Counterfeiters
The difference is that one group is also the jailers.

$2 T more
because the admin has announced to spend $2 TThe House of R better grb its power of the purse because, in the last week, the admin has announced it will spend $2 T more without its authorization.
Here in South Florida they ran the RE prices so high that the schoool district said teachers couldn't afford a place to live. There is still lots of surplus supply. Prices need to fall until they meet demand. We don't need fancy tax cheats with new fangled formulae goofing that up.

PATRICK..U.S. .MAY OVER DOSE?
ISN'T THAT THE PLAN? ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE ROTHCHILD FAMILY IN ENGLAND MANY YEARS AGO!
BREAK AMERICA...AND THE REST OF THE WORLD GOES INTO A TAILSPIN!And along comes one world Gvmnt.
to rule the world and peoplee like Hillary
Clinton, Pelosi,Reid will play ball w/them!
But they may be in for a BIG surprise..I read there are at least 9 million guns in america!
I would hate to get those guns mad at me!
Elvis

Pat Buchannan more afraid of hispanics
than al qa'ida. Well, Pat, for all your smarts, racism is still your biggest characteristic. The Irish plague has struck again. Well perhaps you should join Lou Dobbs in his opposition to St. Patrick's day. No more foreigners running from potato famines. Pat, face it, this nation is changing and it's changing for the better. Regardless of race, this nation has done great for herself. Even when it was your Irish ancestors who were feared as your ignorant arse now fear the latinos. I'm black, female, latina and as my father tells me, his grandmother was an Irish (yes, Pat, White) woman, and I'm a very successful proud American. Get over your racism. You have so much to offer; so much wisdom covered in backwardness.

Bite me Marie!!!
My family is directly from Spain and I want NO part of the Reconquista either. MY family came here the RIGHT way. It took LOTS of paperwork even with my great-grandfather pulling a lot of strings and even a few ropes.

In the end they STILL had to go through Ellis Island. These INVADERS want to VIOLATE our sovereignty and be REWARDED FOR IT YOU MULTICULTURALIST TWUNT!!!!

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Marie
I do not think Patrick cares about your life history, or what you think.

I know I don't
The Mexicans coming here by-passing the Law are criminals, period

Wrat Wrangler
You have strained my vocabulary. May i presume twunt is the feminine gender of twick?

TALENT SCOUT..HMMMM!
YOUR MANY COMMENTS ARE ALWAYS READ BY ME..IF IAM ON THE COMPUTER. BUT YOUR COMMENT "PATRICK
WRITES" really caught my attention! Because your statement about tons of money to buy ...
bread lines up perfect with what Brigham Young
said a long time ago referring to THE LAST...
DAYS! He said that a rich man would bring a wheelbarrow full of money in exchange for a loaf of bread..or something very close to that
and I have always wondered about the......
MECHANICS that would lead to that!Thank you
"brother" ha ha ha! Your all right!Always enjoy your comments.
Elvis

hey elvis
You got to know this topic grabs my attention.

Actually, early America seen wheelbarrows of money to buy bread when the Bank of England destroyed the Continental Dollar with counterfeiting it and then dumping them all over the Colonies.

Then it happened again in Kentucky in 1820's.
Brigham Young knew how bankers once in power over the money supply end up destroying its value.
Fractional Banking can affect the value of gold certificates.

A bank just lends out 10 times or 20 times more certificates than what they actually have in gold in their vaults.
They did that too, it caused the banking panics in the early 1800's.
Banks lent out more certificates than they had gold to cover and the people only found out when they tried to convert certificates for gold, the banks just closed their doors.


Bernie Madoff got away for years with his crooked schemes simply because he could cook the books and move money around.
Just think how long the Federal Reserve System can cover up their scam with the trillions they print off.
Madoff done nothing the Federal Reserve does not do, and has done since the 1930's.

This "stimulus" package has more pork in it than an Arkansas Hog Farm.

And no one was allowed to even read it, before it was passed.
That is what Obama calls transparency.
We have crooks running the government


Obama's BC Issue getting INTERESTING ...
BORN IN THE USA?

Justice, Supremes confirm getting eligibility challenge

Taitz documents demanding proof of Obama's birth place to be reviewed

Posted: March 24, 2009
9:29 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

Orly Taitz

The U.S. Supreme Court and the U.S. Justice Department today confirmed that documentation challenging Barack Obama's eligibility to be president has arrived and soon will be evaluated.

Confirmation came from DefendOurFreedoms.us, the foundation through which California attorney Orly Taitz has been working on a number of cases that raise questions over Obama's birth location, and therefore his qualifications to be president under the Constitution's demand that the office be occupied only by a "natural born" citizen.

According to the blog, Taitz was informed by Karen Thornton of the Department of Justice that all of the case documents and filings have arrived and have been forwarded to the Office of Solicitor General Elena Kagan, including three dossiers and the Quo Warranto case.

"Coincidently, after Dr. Taitz called me with that update, she received another call from Officer Giaccino at the Supreme Court," the posting said. "Officer Giaccino stated both pleadings have been received and being analyzed now."

The report from the Supreme Court also said the documents that Taitz hand-delivered to Chief Justice John Roberts at his appearance at the University of Idaho a little over a week ago also were at the Supreme Court.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId= 92810


To make a socialist omlette, you have
have to break a lot of eggs (Leon Trotsky).

O doesn't care if the stock market crashes and takes all the middle class savings and retirements with it. He isn't invested in the market. Where are all his miilions? When is he going to *give back?*

O doesn't care if the middle class is overtaxed or inflation destroys equity, the way to make his socialitst paradise that cares about teenage unwed mothers who were stipid enough to get pregnant and more stupid enough to drop out of school more than Taco Bell managers and engineers is to destroy the middle class.

We have to stop him from doing it. Send him a teabag. Tape or staple the label on the outside of the letter, as the WH is *afraid* of chemical assault, maybe because they know too many people would like to see all of them dead already, and we're only a couple months into this debacle.

elvis
I once heard that 90 million americans own 250 million guns.Since the election i have purched my second pistol and a assault rifle.I have 5 shotguns and 3 are for sale.I'm going to trade them for another rifle.That 9 million cannot be right.

ROB
from Louisiana

elvis Reply#74
"I read there are at least 9 million guns in America"
Hi elvis'not even close.
I think that 90 million Americans own at least 250 million guns.
Since the election I have purchased my second pistol and a assult rifle.I have 5 shotguns but 3 are for sale.I'm going to buy another rifle.
There are more guns out there than you know.

ROB
from Louisiana

P.S.If you want a good starter pistol,try the WALTHER P22 TARGET.Great gun.

ROB

Good news
USPatriot56 writes:
Obama's BC Issue getting INTERESTING ...
BORN IN THE USA?

=====================
Everyone has to know by now Obama is a complete fraud in every single detail of his lying life

Robt.---La...wow!
250 million guns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The good thing...since most liberals are against guns...ooohhhh,excuse me they SAY they
are but they are buying them too.But we have'em out numbered!?
Thanks for the tip....guns!
I better kick it up a notch from my water pistol
do you think?
Elvis

elvis
Just duck and cover my friend.I'll have your back.I'm an old coonass(cajon)raised on shotguns,I only started with rifles and pistols last year.So i'm no expert.
I love America.I served my country.I hope that She outlast me,i'm 40.Things arn't looking to good.

ROB

talent scout again..question.
Why would /does the Bankers want to destroy
or cause the damage you have talked about
so often since they are in the business of making money!!?

In reference to wheelbarrows/food...what do you call early america? Because B.Young was ref.
"signs of the last days"...coming of you-know-who!Smile.The dates you mentioned are earlier than when he predicted etc. I feel that he was inspired(Iam a little slanted) and also aware of what you mentioned ,he witnessed the garbage
you mention! But that is no guarentee it will happen again...Iam a little prejudiced......
Prophecy...heh,heh,heh. Iam very curious to your answer to my opening question!Take care.
elvis

koolmuse
"Hey Didn't Bush Appoint Burnanke?
Yeah...I think he did.

And Bush appointed Paulson too.
The guy who gave the banks $283 billion no strings attached...last year.

Remember him?"

Yes, I remember and think that they are both traitors; however, don't forget that the Fed Res was created in 1913, which allowed zero oversight by every branch of Government.

I have been railing against all of them. I hated Bush's spending, stimulus and bailouts. Further, I am viciously opposed to Obama's continuation of the Bush policies.

The spending is unsustainable, the debauchment of our currency, and spending the US into oblivion.

Both the fiscal and monetary policies are unsustainable.

koolmuse: Two Words
"Snap Poll.... Fun For All
Where do you stand on:

Abortion rights?
Gay marriage?
Prayer in school?"

Two words: Tammy Bruce

elvis
You wrote:

talent scout again..question.
Why would /does the Bankers want to destroy
or cause the damage you have talked about
so often since they are in the business of making money!!?
======================

The men who are at the top will not be hurt by destroying the Bank Notes they call dollars.
Their assets are in hard goods, land, deeds, gold and silver.

All the while the Banks speak evil of the gold standard, they have hoarded tons of it.
They know good and well the paper they print is worthless and is just a medium of exchange for all the rest of us.

You got to understand, the top men only number about 300 world wide.
The World Bank, the International Monetary Fund and the Bank for International Settlements are controlled by the super rich.

They have the money to hire who they want to hire, even governments.
Bankers own the world, just as Sir Jeremiah Stamp told everyone way back in 1927.

There is so much that is never talked about and kept hidden from the public that it would take me many days to cover it all for you.

Just read this book:
The Creature from Jekyll Island
I came to the conclusion that the Federal Reserve needed to be abolished for seven reasons. I'd like to read them to you now just so that you get an idea of where I'm coming from, as they say. I put these into the most concise phrasing that I can to make them somewhat shocking and maybe you'll remember them:

1. The Federal Reserve is incapable of accomplishing its stated objectives.
2. It is a cartel operating against the public interest.
3. It's the supreme instrument of usury.
4. It generates our most unfair tax.
5. It encourages war.
6. It destabilizes the economy.
G. Edward Griffin

7th reason, read this elvis
http://www.bigeye.com/griffin.htm

No difference 1
When will we stop pretending that one party is better than another in fiscal matters? Every president since Kennedy has been a puppet for the world banksters.

They own the countries of the world and are enslaving them at an alarming rate. Is it our turn now?

It is unless we stop this GOP/DEM bickering and unite to get rid of the "Federal" Reserve that is privately owned by some members of an exclusive club of the 125 richest men in the world. The Bilderbergers. Some of their holdings include:
Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin
Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris, Israel,
Moses Sieff Banks Of Italy,
Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam,
Lehman Brothers Bank of New York,
Kuhn Loeb Bank Of New York,
Chase Manhattan Bank (David Rockefeller) of New York,
Goldman Sachs Bank Of New York.

Rep. Ron Paul and Sen. Bernie Sanders have bills in their respective houses intended to bring the as now "above the law" Fed Res to accountability by demanding an audit and answers to where the 2 trillion dollars went. Here are some comments from Ron Paul:

Just recently, the Federal Reserve told Congress “NO WAY” when asked to account for TWO TRILLION DOLLARS in taxpayer-backed loans!

Well, why do you think they refused?

They know coming clean with Congress and the American people on how they doled out those two TRILLION dollars would result in an anti-Fed firestorm.

So can you imagine the impact of a full-scale audit?
...continued...

No difference 2
So can you imagine the impact of a full-scale audit?

You and I will finally be able to show the American people that the Federal Reserve System leads to:

Constant economic crises — the housing crisis and the resulting chaos is just one example of an economic bubble created by centrally-planned interest rates and money manipulation;
The destruction of the middle class — as fuel, food, housing, medical care and education costs soar, everyone who is NOT on the government dole is forced to make do with less as the value of their money slowly decreases;
Currency destruction — history shows us that riots, violence and full-scale police states can result when people finally realize fiat money isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on and REFUSE to accept it.
And unless you and I do end the madness in Washington, D.C., we may be closer than we’d like to think to learning that history lesson first hand — right here on the streets of our towns and cities.

Ron Paul may be the most conservative man in DC, and Bernie Sanders describes himself as a socialist, but they are working on a common goal to try and save our government.

Can't we all get behind one or the other (or both) of them and return our government to sanity?

Twunt?
Actually I think it's a contraction. The "tw" seems to be drawn from "twittering".

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

cjb56
I appreciated your defense of Mr. Buchannan.

I've only seen a decent and honest man in what he writes and how he presents himself.

Those who work hard haranguing and demeaning him are twisted in themselves.

Trillions of Dollars
Mr. Buchanan, you might be interested in the following:

According to my research of our government’s recent annual budgets, over 80% of our government’s annual tax revenue collected is represented by Federal Income taxes and Social Security and Medicare taxes. Our government’s FY 09 spending budget is approximately $3 trillion, and if my 80% math is correct $2.4 trillion of Federal Income, Social Security and Medicare taxes should be collected by our government from the taxpayers of this nation. This would still be a $600 billion shortfall of additional taxes required to be collected from taxpayers to balance our government’s $3 trillion of FY 09 spending budget.

Of course the taxpayers of this nation can't afford the tax expense in meeting a balanced budget objective which is why President Obama's and past presidents fiscal policies enacted into law have added trillions to our nation's debt.

As taxpayers and voters we can only blame ourselves for allowing this fiscal travesty that if continued, will eventually bankrupt our nation irregardless of the political rhetoric to the contrary. Our nation's current $12 trillion of debt could be zillions of worthless dollars before the end of the 21st century.

Larry Erickson


National Debt
What did our founders say about debt? Let's ask The Father of Our Country, former General and President George Washington.

"As a very important source of strength and security, cherish public credit. One method of preserving it is, to use it as sparingly as possible; avoiding occasions of expense by cultivating peace, but remembering also that timely disbursements to prepare for danger frequently prevent much greater disbursements to repel it; avoiding likewise the accumulation of debt, not only by shunning occasions of expense, but by vigorous exertions in time of peace to discharge the debts, which unavoidable wars may have occasioned, not ungenerously throwing upon posterity the burthen, which we ourselves ought to bear. The execution of these maxims belongs to your representatives, but it is necessary that public opinion should cooperate. To facilitate to them the performance of their duty, it is essential that you should practically bear in mind, that towards the payment of debts there must be Revenue; that to have Revenue there must be taxes; that no taxes can be devised, which are not more or less inconvenient and unpleasant; that the intrinsic embarrassment, inseparable from the selection of the proper objects (which is always a choice of difficulties), ought to be a decisive motive for a candid construction of the conduct of the government in making it, and for a spirit of acquiescence in the measures for obtaining revenue, which the public exigencies may at any time dictate."

Looks like the our Leaders, both Republicans and Democrats have totally abandoned the advice of our Founders.

The Weimar Moment vs The Wemar Solution
Roberto Freeman recent article see
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/03/15

Freeman correctly points out the real connection with the Weimar Republic.

It is clear that the conservative right has declared war on Obama, his administration, the USA and its people. They want this country to collapse.

There is no doubt that both Democrats and Republican policy contributed to the collapse of this country and its economy. It started with the 1999 congressional legislation which was largely written and pushed by Phil Gram and supported and signed into law by Bill Clinton. This opened the way for the debacle of the unregulated derivatives. It also gave AIG free reign to insure derivatives without any oversight. Then in 2004 and 2005 we have the Bush SEC allowing investment banks to increase the investment to liquidity ratios from 12 to 1 to 40 to 1. Next we have the Republican controlled Congress voting in a change in the bankruptcy law which put the holders of derivatives in first position for companies like AIG. This is why the Bush and Obama Administrations have bailed out AIG. The derivative holders get first dibs on AIG if there is a bankruptcy. That is all the retirement accounts of millions of people and companies would be unlikely to see their investments. But wait it gets worse. AIG holdings are not sufficient to cover the first tier of derivatives. This results in the next tier of derivatives (from the first) coming due. As there are hundreds of trillions in derivatives out there, the entire world financial system would collapse. It gets even better. A Republican Congress passed a bill which made the US government responsible for the pension funds for many of the largest companies if they default. With the collapse of AIG the US government would then be responsible. Now you know the truth. Which is why the right is so intent on putting the blame for the mess on Obama.

Georgann wrote:
Economist Ann Pettifor
"The destruction of money/debt is best described as deflation"
========================
Destruction of debt is generally called paying it off, here in the real world.

deflation/inflation.
Depends on how its described as in a sentence.

Not hardly a real tough problem to understand.
For instance:
Creating trillions of pieces (or its value in trillions) of paper to purchase limited HARD assets like gold, deeds, land and jewelery etc will inflate the price of those hard assets.

On the other hand:
If you have more gold, silver, oil, food, land than there is money available to buy your goods, then the cost of those goods get deflated, lowered, less, on sale, cheap, a bargain.

This lady Ann Pettifor is a Keynesian and a Green Party person.

deflation/inflation
6 one way
Half a dozen the other.
Depends on what your talking about in specifics and just saying we do not have inflation but we have inflation is saying nothing but a humongous generality.
Which any fool can say

From the communist point of view
Roberto Freeman recent article see
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/03/15

Correcting myself
I wrote:
deflation/inflation
6 one way
Half a dozen the other.
Depends on what your talking about in specifics and just saying we do not have inflation but we have inflation is saying nothing but a humongous generality.
Which any fool can say
==================

And I meant to say:

deflation/inflation
6 one way
Half a dozen the other.
Depends on what your talking about in specifics and just saying we do not have inflation but we have DEFLATION.. is saying nothing but a humongous generality.
Which any fool can say

Expanding my thoughts
I wrote:

Destruction of debt is generally called paying it off, here in the real world.

deflation/inflation.
Depends on how its described as in a sentence.

Not hardly a real tough problem to understand.
For instance:
Creating trillions of pieces (or its value in trillions) of paper to purchase limited HARD assets like gold, deeds, land and jewelery etc will inflate the price of those hard assets.

"inflate the price of those hard assets'

And done by printing presses running off trillions and trillions of the federal reserve banking notes.

Which is what the Federal Reserve CORPORATION has been doing for years, but is now in HIGH SPEED under the Obama "stimulus"

All the word stimulus means in Obama's plan, is print trillions of pieces of paper.
Its that simple.
Nothing hard to understand at all, but the keynesian 'economists" who are socialists themselves want everyone to think they are so smart and are liars of the nth degree

Geithner's toxic asset relief plan
Here's any easy to understand explanation of the latest transfer of wealth from the taxpayers to the big banks (yes, the very ones that got us into this mess).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-arbfLTCtI&feature=related
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