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Friday, January 30, 2009
Pat Buchanan :: Townhall.com Columnist
Globalism vs. Ethnonationalism
by Pat Buchanan
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Standing before the Siegessaule, the Victory Column that commemorates Prussia's triumphs over Denmark, Austria and France in the wars that birthed the Second Reich, Barack Obama declared himself a "citizen of the world" and spoke of "a world that stands as one."

Globalists rejoiced. And the election of this son of a white teenager from Kansas and a black academic from Kenya is said to have ushered us into the new "post-racial" age.

Are we deluding ourselves? Worldwide, the mightiest force of the 20th century, ethnonationalism -- that creator and destroyer of nations and empires; that enduring drive of peoples for a nation-state where their faith and culture is dominant and their race or tribe is supreme -- seems more manifest than ever.

"Vote Reflects Racial Divide" ran the banner in The Washington Times over Tuesday's story datelined, "Santa Cruz, Bolivia." It began:

"The Bolivian vote to approve a new constitution backed by leftist President Evo Morales reflected racial divisions between the nation's Indian majority and those with European ancestry."

Provinces where mestizo and Europeans predominate voted down the constitution. But it carried with huge majorities the Indian tribes of the western highlands, for this constitution is about group rights.

In 2005, Morales came to office resolved to redistribute wealth and power away from Europeans to his own Aymara tribe and other "indigenous peoples" he contends were robbed by the Europeans who began to arrive 500 years ago, in the time of Columbus.

Pizarro's victory over the Incan Empire is to be overturned.

According to Article 190 of the new constitution, Bolivia's 36 Indian areas are authorized to "exercise their jurisdictional functions through their own principles, values, culture, norms and procedures."

Tribal law is to become provincial law, and national law.

Gov. Mario Cossio of Tarija, which voted no, says the new constitution will create a "totalitarian regime," controlled through an "ethnically based bureaucracy." To which Morales replies, "Original Bolivians who have been here for a thousand years are many but poor. Recently arrived Bolivians are few but rich."

Bolivia is Balkanizing, dividing up and being divided on the lines of tribe, race and class. And, hailed by Hugo Chavez, Morales' Bolivia is not the only place where the claims of ethnicity, tribe and race are conquering the forces of universalism and globalism.

After a disputed election in Kenya, the Kikyu were subjected to ethnic cleansing and massacres by Luo. In Zimbabwe, white farmers are being dispossessed due to their ancestry. In Sri Lanka, the Tamil rebellion against the ruling Sinhalese -- to create a Tamil nation, a war that has cost tens of thousands of lives -- appears lost, for now.

In Vladimir Putin's time, Russians have crushed Chechens, confronted Estonians over Russian military graves and war memorials, collided with Ukrainians over the Crimea and bloodied up the Georgians.

Beijing crushes the Uighurs who want their own East Turkestan and Tibetans who seek autonomy, flooding both lands with Han Chinese.

In Europe, populist anti-immigrant parties, alarmed at a loss of national identities, are striding toward respectability and power. The Vlaams Belang, seeking independence for Flanders, is the biggest party in the Belgian parliament. The Peoples Party and Freedom Party are now Austria's second and third most popular. The Swiss People's Party of Christoph Blocher is the largest in Bern. In France, the National Front humiliated the government this week, winning over half the vote in a suburb of Marseilles.

All are unabashedly ethnonationalist. Writes British diplomat Sir Christopher Meyer, "It is useless to say that nationalism and ethnic tribalism have no place in the international relations of the 21st century."

Meanwhile, global institutions, the United Nations, IMF and European Union, have lost their luster. Czechs -- whose president, Vaclav Klaus, regards the EU as a prison house of nations -- hold the EU presidency. When the financial crisis hit, Irish, Brits and Germans rushed to bail out their own banks, as did Americans, who rescued Ford, Chrysler and GM, leaving Toyota, Hyundai and Honda twisting in the wind.

This is economic nationalism.

Inside Ehud Olmert's cabinet, a rising star is Avigdor Lieberman. What Lieberman's "merry men" advocate, writes the American Prospect, is "ethnic cleansing: As the creepy name (which translates into 'Our Home Is Israel') suggests, Yisrael Beiteinu believes the million-plus Arab citizens of Israel must be expelled."

Barack won the African-American vote 97 percent to 3 percent over John McCain, and 90 percent to 10 percent over Hillary Clinton in the later primaries. McCain ran stronger than George W. Bush only in Appalachia, the laager of the Scots-Irish.

In Jerry Z. Muller's "Us and Them: The Enduring Power of Ethnic Nationalism," in Foreign Affairs, his thesis is summarized:

"Americans generally belittle the role of ethnic nationalism in politics. But ... it corresponds to some enduring propensities of the human spirit. It is galvanized by modernization, and ... it will drive global politics for generations to come. Once ethnic nationalism has captured the imagination of groups in a multiethnic society, ethnic disaggregation or partition is often the least bad answer."

Disaggregation or partition, the man said.

Are we really in a post-racial America, or is our multicultural multiethnic America, too, destined for Balkanization and break-up?

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Buchanan makes a sound argument.
Oddly enough, the idea of self determination, so identified with the utopian Woodrow Wilson and pretty much endorsed by U.S. foreign policy, adds fuel to the flame of ethnonationalism.

But rhetoric is one thing. Reality is another.

We do not side with a leftist Morales in Bolivia as he exploits the ethnocism of the majority Indian population at the expense of its richer landowning European descendents.

In that case, our rhetoric may be on the side of self determination, but not our policy.

And Bush(and Clinton)was all for self determination for Kosovo Muslims at the expense of Christian Serbia, but opposed self determination for Iraqi Kurds at the expense of the Iraqi state.

On Georgia, we opposed self determination for south Ossetians, which was made an issue by Russian reaction to what it deemed to be our meddling in affairs of its neighbors.

Pat is generally right, but on the American election in '08, there is much that calls into question Pat's thesis.

After all, a black Obama did get 43% of the white vote nationwide, and in a 95%+ white Iowa, he won the caucus, as well as the general election.

But that aside, I agree with Buchanan.

In Iraq, the Balkans, Europe, Africa, ethnic, tribal and religious differences are as prominent now as in days of old.

And in this increasingly global world, probably more so...as a defense to that very phenomenon.

Total BS--Part I
First off, the victories that the Siegessaule celebrate didn't give birth to the Third Reich any more than victories by Peter the Great led to the USSR. Now Hitler was the result of WWI and WWI was caused in part by German expansionism which were also the cause of the Frano-Prussian, Austrian-Prussian and Danish-Prussian Wars, but these led to Nazi Germany?--give me a break. Obama did foolishly use the site for his speech on unity--a symbol that celebrates German aggression and a key Nazi symbol who moved it to where it now stands (and thus probably saving it) and if not for American veto it would have been blown up by the vengeful French, showing how dim Obama is on the subject of history--but a debate for another time.

Yes, China has claims on Tibet and Xinjiang and those in Xinjiang and Tibet would rather not be inside the PRC? So. Chinese claims on Tibet go back to the Tang Dynasty. It was ruled as part of China under the Mongols in the 13th Century during the Yuan--and after it was claimed by the Ming, the Qing, the ROC (even formally to this day) and the PRC. Xinjiang had been part of China since the Qing. Chinese wanting control over these areas is nothing new.


Total BS--Part II
Leaving Toyota twisting in the wind? The government supported the bailout, the majority of Americans opposed it. The Senate defeated it, but Emperor Bush the II gave them the money anyway. You, PB may have supported this welfare, but most Americans and most people on TH did not. The reason Toyota didn't get a bailout in part was because unlike the so-called American multinationals, Toyota isn't in danger of imploding as its management team isn't made up of a pack of idiots. If I recall, Toyota passed GM as the #1 seller of cars in the US. So Americans aren't rushing to save GM in some rush of ethnonationalism. GM can sink to the bottom of the ocean as far as I care and take Ford and especially Chrysler with them.

Ethnic conflicts have been going on since there were ethnic groups to fight them. There has never been a year where there weren't some sort of ethnic conflict. How is 2009 any different from say 1976 (when the LTTE was formed) or 1959 (when the ETA was founded)? How about Malaysia expelling Singapore in 1963? Or the violence during the Partition of India?

This article is about as noteworthy as saying in cold climates it snows.

Only a matter of time............
before the LATTER part of the question comes to fruition. Globalism is and will be proved to be a failure.

"Are we really in a post-racial America, or is our multicultural multiethnic America, too, destined for Balkanization and break-up?"

Don't blame me Pat....I voted for YOU!

jerabaub
The US also opposes self-determination in regards to Taiwan--even warning Chen Shui-bian over it again and again.

Won't lift a finger on Tibet and labels pro-Uigher groups "terrorists." It opposed Croatia and Solvenia from leaving Yugoslavia and supported Indonesia for decades on East Timor.

He is right only in a saying a person says that the sky is often blue is right. This has been going on from day one--the day that the earth had ethnic groups, by day three it had an ethnic conflict.

Ethnic groups in places like the USSR and Eastern Europe were controlled by an all-powerful state--often brutally. Look at Stalin's acts with the Cossacks and in the Caucasus. Once that "lid" was taken off ethnic conflicts again arose--e.g. Yugoslavia. Ethnic conflicts in other regions have been going on uninterrupted for years--e.g. ETA, LTTE.

So how is this different from say any year since the start of time? This is really an anti-Huntington thesis (which is also BS).

Silver Lion
"Globalism is and will be proved to be a failure."

Sure it will and the earth will spin out of its orbit and fly into the sun too. Globalism as in the earth is flat is here to say. The share of the US GDP related to the global economy gets larger each year, connections of Americans to the outside world--as Obama's family shows--continues to increase and on and on. Globalism has its dark side. The economic problems in America were passed on to China and Japan like some sort of flu as they too bought this toxic paper Wall Street sold, but it is going to continue no matter if you like it or not.

Mr. Buchannan,
you have a way to stir up the paranoidic Jews who love to hate you.

JimP
I wonder who the paranoid Jews are. If you are talking about me, I bet shells would agree that doesn't include me. According to her, I'm a tool of the anti-Semites.

Morales
One doesn't have to support his policies to concede the justification of his complaints. The Spaniards came, destroyed the native civilization, stole everything that wasn't nailed down, pried up everything was, and reduced the population to little better than slaves. The system has changed little since.

"Pizarro's victory over the Incan Empire is to be overturned." For Pizarro substitute Henry II and for the Inca empire substitute Ireland. That may make it a bit plainer for you.

Actually, I Would Like To See
The United States break up, with Liberals having their own group of states and government and conservatives having their group of states and government. Then, perhaps, I can move to a place where the government is conservative and not worry about nanny state liberals.

Isaldur
But the liberal states seem to generate the lions share of the revenue--Washington State, NY, California and the like. You think say Montana and the like states make it? Even in the "Red States."

It isn't Blackshear or Moultrie but Atlanta that is the economic engine of the state. And they tend to be liberal. The 'burbs on the outside that look down on Atlanta would be little sleepy towns with little economic growth. Look at say Batesville, Mississippi and compare that to say Cumming, Georgia. Cumming is wealthy because it has a close link to Atlanta--where many that live there actually work. Batesville is out on the edge of the delta and much poorer. Of the top 15 GDP producing states--11 voted for Obama. Of the bottom 15, only 6 did. On per capita, of the top 15, 13 voted for Obama. Of the bottom 15, only one did.

Isaldur
But the liberal states seem to generate the lions share of the revenue--Washington State, NY, California and the like. You think say Montana and the like states make it? Even in the "Red States."

It isn't Blackshear or Moultrie but Atlanta that is the economic engine of the state. And they tend to be liberal. The 'burbs on the outside that look down on Atlanta would be little sleepy towns with little economic growth. Look at say Batesville, Mississippi and compare that to say Cumming, Georgia. Cumming is wealthy because it has a close link to Atlanta--where many that live there actually work. Batesville is out on the edge of the delta and much poorer. Of the top 15 GDP producing states--11 voted for Obama. Of the bottom 15, only 6 did. On per capita, of the top 15, 13 voted for Obama. Of the bottom 15, only one did.

Lion's share of the revenue
And California is going bankrupt, even to the point of having to hold up payment of state income tax refunds. Yeah, the rich states will carry the day.

I didn't read any argument...
... just observations. Was there a point to this?

Akagi, you or somebody has posted this blue state - red state revenue point on other threads as well. What is the point? That seems like a vacuous statistic by itself.

The cause of all this ethnic pride
business is a lack of the rule of law. When the rule of law is pushed aside for preferences, it is only natural that those with the larger numbers or greater wealth will gain control. This incites a backlash by those denied and results in more government control under the guise of security. As the government gains more power, it begins to act more totalitarian, eventually subjecting even the ruling groups to more regulation.

What follows the concentration of power is a consolidation among governments to bring the entire world under one "Rule of Law", or more precisely, the New World Order. The NWO of government control is really national socialism, once known as Nazism, a close cousin of communism.

Here in America, the forces of the NWO march ahead because both parties are in a partisan battle for power, not for taking on the challenges we face. Innovative and creative thinking, respect for Constitutional self government and the will of the people, and eventually, the rule of law all die a slow death.

The only way out of this is to break up the virtual lock on power by the elites of the two major corrupt parties. The lesser of two evils mentality only gives us more evil.

If you wish to know how the elites have scammed us and stolen our inheritance, you need to visit my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG. The site will available for a few more weeks, so check it out. Time is running out folks. Thanks, Joe

Feedfwd
I haven't. But if one wanted to create a Red-State only country...and where would Nevada and Florida go anyway?--Should Nevada join the Red States except for Clark and Washoe counties?) Should Fulton County in Georgia be an enclave of the Blue States?

A Red-state country would be very poor as compared to the blue-states. Not so sure that person would really like what they claim to desire.

That's Ok Akagi......
One world wide happy family......lol...I stand by my statement and time will tell which one is correct....let the flu be passed......like Monty Burns says:

Excellent....

People fighting each other forever
The history of the world is the story of wars and more wars. What is new? Maybe the composition of the opposition changes.

................
-----Are we really in a post-racial America, or is our multicultural multiethnic America, too, destined for Balkanization and break-up?........Buchanan-----

Obviously you've never been to the border states; the balkanizing of America has been underway for decades. There are cities in Los Angeles County that are so inundated with illegals that 80% of the people only speak spanish. And many of those are illiterate in their own native tongue.

We've laid the foundation for the destruction of America through criminally negligent policies and a grossly irresponsible media that distorts, lies and misleads. Judges have also contributed greatly to the national rot of our society.

Actually Satan
"There are cities in Los Angeles County that are so inundated with illegals that 80% of the people only speak spanish. And many of those are illiterate in their own native tongue."

This could be written as well--translated of course--"There are many major cities such as Tokyo and Osaka and Yokohama that are so inundated with foreigners many people only speak English and hardly any Japanese at all".

Nearly 90% of second generation Hispanics speak English well or fluently. They assimilate no slower than those in the past. These are facts.

Akagi
"... I bet shells would agree that doesn't include me. According to her, I'm a tool of the anti-Semites."

According to Shells, anyone who bests her in a debate is an anti-Semite. She's a nasty little piece of work.


Akagi
"This could be written as well--translated of course--'There are many major cities such as Tokyo and Osaka and Yokohama that are so inundated with foreigners many people only speak English and hardly any Japanese at all'."

Have you ever actually been to Tokyo? I have has several long-term work projects there and I assure you that it is very difficult to get by outside of tourist and international business areas without a translator or a lot of pantomime. It's fortunate that their menus tend to be picture-headvy, because few are translated into English. I have had a number of amusing miscommunications while ordering at restaurants on my own. Relatively few Japanese speak English well. It's a difficult language for them. Those who are fluent naturally find themselves in occupations with lots of opportunity to use it.

But, even assuming you were right, are you suggesting that we use the Japanese immigration model? They have one of the most restrictive immigration policies on the planet. Furthermore, the experiences of a tiny, ethnically-homogenous island-bound nation have little that is instructive for dealing with a giant nation with porous borders and millions of third-world refugees flooding its southern border.

You know what nation does have a similar history? South Africa. It's a history that few know. Much of their black population was not native, but came from a flood of refugees seeking escape from central African violence. The native white South Africans resisted giving full citizenship rights to these illegal immigrants for decades. But in the end, they ended up having to hand their country over to them. South Africa today is, economically and politically, a deteriorating shell of what it was, as a result.

Who has the most intercourse?
They will be the future rulers.

PresidentialBalls.com

According to Westbrook Pegler...
... the last freckled person will poison the last non-freckled, who will, before death, strangle the last freckled while he sleeps -- and peace will at last come to the world!

Cloud
"Have you ever actually been to Tokyo?"

I have. And no I don't suggest the US adopt Japan's immigration system because it is stupid and in the middle of next century Japan's population will be smaller than Taiwan's. You think going from 120 million to 23 million is wise?

Should I have used Taipei, Taichung and Tainan instead? There are plenty of non-Japanese and non-Taiwanese who do not speak Japanese (or Taiwanese or Mandarin). The reason they don't is they have no desire to become Taiwanese or Japanese. Go and walk around Taipei sometime--all the streets sings are Romanized "Xinyi Lu" in Hanzi has Xinyi Road written as well.

The illegals who work here have no intention of becoming part of the American society--they come to work, they stay fir a number of years and then go back. But second generation Hispanics ARE assimilating.

"Much of their black population was not native..." an old Nationalist piece of propaganda--but a debate for another time I suppose.

JimP
But doesn't it look suspicious that Mr. Buchanan has found never heard before section of the Israeli Parlament ready to do a racial clensing but has completely forgot the fanatical Muslim world? I assume the latter stands for the lasting peace among nations and races, forever. Something in the Obama mold. Am I wrong?

Russans say
The method used by Mr. Buchanan Russians call "Prityanut' za ushi", which means if the facts do not agree with the theory, one can pull the facts closer to his chest by grabbing them by the ears.

That's exactly what Pat Buchanan did. I, for one, can argue that the opposite is true and find as many, or more, facts supporting my theory. For example, the sociaist movement is almost always color, race or gender blind. It only addresses the class issue: "Proletariat of the world, unite".

The world is constantly moving: from paganism to Christianity, from Christianity to Communism, from monarhy to national socialism or fascism and then to a republic. One can always find facts or events supporting his case. The case today, for instance, is the so-called Stimulus Package, to help stabilize the economy. One group says it's a wonderful plan but the opposition says it's a dreaded waste. One says our economy will collapse if this particular plan is not implemented quickly but opposition believes the opposite is true.

In democracy, write what you want. For me, Mr. Buchanan does not sound extremely convincing.

Pushing "diversity" weakens America
How many "diverse" countries have been ripped apart by strife over the past 100 years? Yugoslavia. The Indian Subcontinent (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh -- probably more ethnic cleansing then in any country). The Soviet Union.

How in the world is it "good" to push "diversity." Imagine if Italian and German immigrants were taught school in their native languages -- and also taught about the historic "evils" of America. Well, that is what we have in America. Just read what most colleges teach -- and read many "modern" school textbooks. The political correctness movement in many cases is completely racist (see the Duke campus from a few years ago).

Our seeds of destruction have been planted -- unless things change right now.

...........
-----Nearly 90% of second generation Hispanics speak English well or fluently.----

Akagi, the percentage is probably somewhere in that area but that's not the point. Obviously you haven't spent time in Los Angeles and the surrounding county. If there's one issue Conservatives and leftist eunuchs out here in CA agree on for the most part it is illegal immigration.

The fact remains that we have cities, Santa Ana for example, where hispanics- many of which are illegal- do not speak or know english. Many come here solely for economic purposes and since we cater to them they have no incentive to learn english. Everything they need to do they can do in spanish; they are not assimilating and many of the children are not as well. You cannot assimilate them at the rate they've been flooding into the nation over decades.

FeargalX is right
The evils committed by Americans in the past, often the distant past, are constantly harped on. However, one is labled a racist if he brings up the evils being committed right now by certain groups.

Akagi, which of the many meanings.....
does your Townhall name imply? The one that comes to my mind first is the carrier ship, Akagi, which was sunk by the Enterprise and the Yorktown in the battle of Midway.

As to Buchanan's op-ed, I recently purchased a pin of the two flags for Denmark and the US. I figured if we were going to be multi-cultural, I was going to be part of it. My father was a full Dane, and, of course, I am half Dane. My heritage from my mother is Scots-Irish. I really do believe that one's heritage has a whole lot to do with one's values and lifestyle.

The Danes are an industrious lot.....and the Scots-Irish were the entrepreneurs of the 18th and 19th centuries, also fighting beside George Washington. I also believe that the values and traits of one's heritage influence his/her voting choices.

At any rate, maybe the time has come for European Americans to be proud of their heritage. I'm a Danish American. Who are you?

THEODORE ROOSEVELT
a hyphenated American is not an American at all.
This is just as true of the man who puts “native” before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.

--THEODORE ROOSEVELT 1915

the positives for "diversity"
Obviously, "diversity" is very negative -- particularly the racist historical revisionism that agenda pushes. Prime example is Obama (descendant of slave OWNERS, not a descendant of slaves or even Jim Crow blacks) who attends a church headed by Wright (light skinned -- certainly has European ancestry) who blames all whites (even, in his words, "garlic nosed Italians") for oppressing all "people of color." The crazy racims and lies that I have observed did make me more aware of my own ancestry and culture -- and the hardships they faced. Way worse than anything blacks ever dealt with 800 years of English oppression (off and on to be sure) almost being wiped out by Cromwell in the 17th Century and by hunger and disease in the 19th Century. Think about it, Ireland had perhaps close to 10,000,000 in 1840 (known amount of close to 9 mil) and by 1900 it was about 2 million. That is hardship. I can speak some Irish -- and I take no crap from any racist -- particularly those who blame me or "my people" for the oppression of those like Obama (who has a pretty good amount of English ancestry ironically enough -- so whose ancestors oppressed who?).

the evils of present day racism
We see it at the Duke campus -- where innocent lies were almost destroyed with the assistance of the faculty (who encouraged the New Black Panthers to come and those protesting who carried signs saying "castrate"). That is one consequence. Violence against people because they are "white oppressors" -- that is racism. Any evil is justified because of what us "typical white people" look like. Part of the reason for this is there is no "white" identity -- and I do not really encourage such. Historically, we are from cultures who are different from each other and in many cases do not even like each other -- so there is no reason for us to band together. As a kid, I was often the minority (white kid) around mostly black kids and I had at least one birthday party where most of my guests were black. I stood up to people who said racist things then (and there are always going to be people who say stupid things). So, I was particularly offended when I was told by one person that me not liking Obama because of his minister was a "racist excuse."

Wilson 829,
Yeap, you're wrong. Mr. Buchannan is no anti-Semite. But these vicious Jews relentless attack this man are no different than the Moslems who attack them. These Jews justify their double standard relentless based on their 'ethnicity' And that is all they have to appeal to having no righteousness themselves.

I found the most racist, bigoted people are those who love to see racism and bigotry in others and these godless vicious Jews who love to post on this site are some of them most guilty of this duplicity. Anything critical is cast anti-semite.

These kind of Jews are so arrogant they surpass many Moslems in justifying themselves to themsleves.

Winston829 !


Regarding Yisrael Beitneinu :The party has 11 MKs in the current Knesset.

1. Avigdor Lieberman
2. Israel Hasson
3. Yosef Shagal
4. Esterina Tartman
5. Stas Misezhnikov
6. Sofa Landver
7. Yitzhak Aharonovich
8. Robert Ilatov
9. Alex Miller
10. Lia Shemtov
11. David Rotem (replaced the deceased Yuri Stern)

As Sarah would say...
"Are we really in a post-racial America, or is our multicultural multiethnic America, too, destined for Balkanization and break-up? "

You betcha!

To Chuck in Maine......

Sarah Palin is also twice the man Barack Obama will ever be.....

you betcha "again".....lol..

BTW: Sharp salute to you and the 20th Maine under Col. Chamberlain....darnest thing I ever seen...Salute!

Pamela
To be precise, the carrier Akagi was scuttled on orders of Yamamoto when the fires caused by one (or two) bombs from the USS Enterprise's SBDs hit the hanger deck which caused AV fuel and ordnance to explode causing a raging inferno. Near misses caused caused damage to its rudder and it was no longer able to be steered. It burned through the night and was ordered scuttled by Yamamoto early the next day. The Japanese destroyers Arashio, Hagikaze, Maikaze, and Nowaki fire torpedos into her causing her to sink. In a small way her loss was due to Nagumo's tactics--wasting time switching ordnance instead of sending the planes as they were armed which was Yamaguchi's desire.

Again to be precise, no Japanese CV was sunk by the Americans--all were scuttled, but as you will point out they were scuttled due to the damage inflicted on them by the Americans. The Hiryu should have survived, but Yamaguchi who was a tad wreckless sent it into basically a suicide mission--he and the Hiryu's commander Kaku went down with the ship instead of leaving her--Bushido code and all that.

Yamaguchi was probably Japan's best carrier commander and before Midway was thought to be the logical choice to take over in the event of Yamamoto's death for commander of the combined fleet--but after his actions at Midway if he had lived, that would have been in question. I will say he should have lead the attack on Pearl Harbor and not Nagumo--the worst possible choice to lead the attack. Yamamoto and he never got along and after the diaster at Midway had the excuse he needed to get rid of him.

As you you should be aware, Akagi refers to many things including a WWII, CV. The CV in fact is named for a famous Japanese mountain in Gunma Prefecture, which also gave its name to the 19th century-early 20th century Maya-class gunboat.

Any other questions?

Pamela--p.s.
The Yorktown wasn't involved in the damage to the Akagi--that was the Enterprise. The Yorktown was responsible for the eventual scuttling of the Soryu though.

I know the carrier is the first thing that jumps in your head, but that doesn't suprise me. There are three meanings in Kanji for Akagi--red castle, red tree, red future. The name of various Manga series and characters (e.g. Haruko Akagi); a name of a ice cream company in suburban Tokyo (www.akagi.com), the name of a former town (Akagi-cho) in Shimane Prefecture (in extreme SW Honshu on the Sea of Japan), a family name (e.g. Kei Akagi. The PW used in Die Hard for the vault computer for Nakatomi Plaza (inside joke as James Shigeta played Yoshinobu Takagi in Die Hard and played Nagumo in Midway--and the Akagi was Nagumo's flagship) and also a Rigel-class Starship in StarTrek:TNG.

Please note I didn't segregate the meanings here based on the Kanji meaning--e.g Akagi-cho (now Linan) means red future, most of the rest mean red castle, but Dr. Ritsuko Akagi in the series Neon Genesis Evangelion means red tree. Any more questions on the name?


leave it as they found it
If the "indigenous" Bolivians want power over the whole country perhaps it could be arranged to destroy all the modern improvements Europeans created over the centuries before handing it back. No electricity, no cities, no water, no cars or trucks, no roads. It wouldn't be long before they would realize what a foolish thing they wished for.

Not sure of Pat's point
Nationalism, just like forms of government, can be either very good or very bad...plus there are many forms of nationalism.

The comments here about globalization are similar to the above. They can be good or bad depending on your situation and status.

For the average working American class that achieved such a miraculous climb during our nation's industrial greatness period, globalization was much like deregulation...great in theory but a disaster in reality and probably the two greatest hoaxes ever perpetrated on the American middle and working class.

For any small successes per globalization or deregulation over the past 30 or 40 years there have been far more tragic results.

Actually, nationalization is a relatively recent development and since that time we have had two great wars per nationalism and innumerable conflicts and the current world situation. But naturally, conflicts are nothing new and if not nationalism it would have beensomething else.

It will be interesting when the people in our nation who are now such strong nationalists (or as Pat says ethnonationalists) become the minority. Who knows, we might have a situation like the Jews have in Israel where they know that simple demographics are their greatest threat.

Tom
Look at the sectors of the US economy--which sectors did better over the last decade--those concentrated in the US domestic economy or those that were heavily related to international trade? Hint: it wasn't the domestic side that kept the US economy humming. Like everything there is a downside--but globalization has increase prosperity for America and that includes the middle and working class.

Some countries in the developing world and emerging markets who find it hard to compete with the more advanced economies have be hit hard by globalization, but the US has been the big winner in this process.

For all the talk about NAFTA, it has been a boon for the US. Those that got shafted by NAFTA were the Mexican peasant, not the middle class American worker.

Akaqi
Of course most of the "sectors" involved in international trade will tend to do better. What you need to look at is the complete and total consequneces of said trade.

The way you are cherry-picking it here is akin to saying that robbery is good because...gee, look how the robbers made out. But the vitims will likely have an entirelt different view!

The totality of what globalization and our trade policy has done to the American middle class and the average American worker has over-all been a losing proposition and in many cases a true disaster.

When $2 billion per day is flowing to foreign nations per our trade imbalance, only a fool or an economic "expert" might think that a good thing.

And spare me the explanations of how it has "created other jobs" or "kept prices down" since the end result does not justify the short term gain. The only people who truly gain are the American businesses that make more profit shipping production out of the USA and the foreign companies and the foreign workers who do gain a higher standard of living.

I certainly do not begrudge these people a better standard of living but it's a pure mendacity to pretend that it has not been incredibly costly to the average American worker and the middle class.

Akagi a revisit of NAFTA
I live in a border state, AZ, and NAFTA had a terrible effect on American middle class families in many areas, especially in border areas in AZ.

Ariaona as a whole lost out because of NAFTA. The Maquiladora factories just inside Mexico churned out gods at 30cents an hour labor. The Ford plant paid 60 cents an hour just four years back. Anyone business that could move to Mexico did so.

Just one example of a sector where middle class families were hurt was the precision machine business. Nearly all are gone directly because of NAFTA.

20 million South American peasants simply moved up here illegally exacerbating job losses and driving down wages. And they send the money they earn home, Wages do not stay here. Western Union sent billions home to Mexico last year.

The globalization model as currently practiced has made millions of economic losers right here in America.

Akagi one last point.
I personally was inside personal residences that were valued in the 2005-2007 time frame at 275-550,000.

The owners of these homes were all illegals. Some had multiple names, all had no verifiable source of income, and no work history.

ALl had Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac backed mortgages in whatever name they used. And many had several names.

No one could answer the question as to HOW they received these mortgages until I found out about T,I.N mortgages. Taxpayer Identification Number mortgages.

Now these illegals are leaving. Their homes in the Phoenix metro area stand vacant, driving down home prices, and adding more foreclosures.

Before they left, they refinanced their homes at the maximum possible, took the money and left the taxpayers holding the bag.

Many thousands, if not hundreds of thousands that went back to Mexico have more wealth than many US citizens.

anderson659
Im just curious, but what are the homes in the range you mentioned ($275K-$550K) now actually worth...or what are they selling for approximately?

Around here (Milwaukee suburbs) we have not been nearly as affected as most of the nation so it would be interesting to me to hear your response.

tom
Each zip code area is a bit different, but those in the range of my post in the areas, say around the Cardinal stadium, have fallen to the 140-200,00 range, and many have no takers at that price.

Many areas have been hit so hard that prices have fallen well below 100,000. I was in a foreclosure yesterday that was vandalized.180,000 was owed on it, and the price on it was in the mid 20s.

There are so many homes that are sitting vacant that todays price is sure to go lower.

The poster child for foreclosures is Maricopa Az. Homes that were selling in the mid 300s and higher have no takers at 150,000.

a/659
I can see that vandalized homes would take a huge hit, but are you saying that homes still in normal condition that were honestly valued, priced, and sold in the $200-500K range are now down 50%?

tom
Yes, even more than 50% in many cases. In 2006 my home appraised for right at 250,000.

Three doors down from me is a smaller home. In late 2004 it went on the market for 280,000. An offer of 235,000 was rejected. It sat for another year and the price was dropped to 240,000. Then it sat for another year.

Now it is 170,000 and still unsold. Its 2004 appraisal was 280,000. It may sell for 110-135,00, maybe. Others on the street have sold for around 140,000 that were nicer, others in the 95-120 range. And strill more homes are on the market every day.

50% fall in value. Yes. Nearly everywhere from 2004 values.The real wstate people like to use different figures but the reality is very different.

a/659
That is truly incredible. As I said, it has not hit us anything close to that bad.

Prices are relatively high around here and my daughter (a first time buyer) is looking for a condo. When she started looking over ayear ago her price range was right around $100-110K and she couldn't find anything decent that suited her. Now, some of the places she looked at that were around $140K or $150K are getting close to her limit, but nothing like the drop that you describe.
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