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Tuesday, January 20, 2009
Pat Buchanan :: Townhall.com Columnist
Is GOP Still a National Party?
by Pat Buchanan
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As President Barack Obama delivers his inaugural address to a nation filled with anticipation and hope, the vital signs of the loyal opposition appear worse than worrisome.

The new majority of 49 states and 60 percent of the nation Nixon cobbled together in 1972, that became the Reagan coalition of 49 states and 60 percent of the nation in 1984, is a faded memory. Demographically, philosophically and culturally, the party base has been shrinking since Bush I won his 40-state triumph over Michael Dukakis. Indeed, the Republican base is rapidly becoming a redoubt, a Fort Apache in Indian country.

In the National Journal, Ron Brownstein renders a grim prognosis of the party's chances of recapturing the White House. Consider:

In the five successive presidential elections, beginning with Clinton's victory in 1992 and ending with Obama's in 2008, 18 states and the District of Columbia, with 248 electoral votes among them, voted for the Democratic ticket all five times. John McCain did not come within 10 points of Obama in any of the 18, and he lost D.C. 92-8.

The 18 cover all of New England, save New Hampshire; New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Maryland; four of the major states in the Midwest -- Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin and Minnesota; and the Pacific Coast states of California, Oregon, Washington and Hawaii.

Three other states -- Iowa, New Hampshire and New Mexico -- have gone Democratic in four of the past five presidential contests. And Virginia and Colorado have ceased to be reliably red.

Not only are the 18 hostile terrain for any GOP presidential ticket, Republicans hold only three of their 36 Senate seats and fewer than 1 in 3 of their House seats. "Democrats also control two-thirds of these 18 governorships, every state House chamber, and all but two of the state Senates," writes Brownstein.

In many of the 18, the GOP has ceased to be competitive. In the New England states, for example, there is not a single Republican congressman. In New York, there are only three.

"State by state, election by election," says Brownstein, "Democrats since 1992 have constructed the party's largest and most durable Electoral College base in more than half a century. Call it the blue wall."

While that Democratic base is not yet as decisive as the Nixon-Reagan base in the South, and the Plains and Mountain States, it is becoming so solidified it may block any Republican from regaining the White House, in the absence of a catastrophically failed Democratic president.

What does the Republican base look like?

In the same five presidential contests, from 1992 to 2008, Republicans won 13 states all five times. But the red 13 have but 93 electoral votes, fewer than a third of the number in "the blue wall."

What has been happening to the GOP? Three fatal contractions.

Demographically, the GOP is a party of white Americans, who in 1972 were perhaps 90 percent of the national vote. Nixon and Reagan rolled up almost two-thirds of that vote in 1972 and 1984. But because of abortion and aging, the white vote is shrinking as a share of the national vote and the population.

The minorities that are growing most rapidly, Hispanics and Asians, cast 60 to 70 percent of their presidential votes for the Democratic Party. Black Americans vote 9-1 for national Democrats. In 2008, they went 30-1.

Put succinctly, the red pool of voters is aging, shrinking and dying, while the blue pool, fed by high immigration and a high birth rate among immigrants, is steadily expanding.

Philosophically, too, the country is turning away from the GOP creed of small government and low taxes. Why?

Nearly 90 percent of immigrants, legal and illegal, are Third World poor or working-class and believe in and rely on government for help with health and housing, education and welfare. Second, tax cuts have dropped nearly 40 percent of wage earners from the tax rolls.

If one pays no federal income tax but reaps a cornucopia of benefits, it makes no sense to vote for the party of less government.

The GOP is overrepresented among the taxpaying class, while the Democratic Party is overrepresented among tax consumers. And the latter are growing at a faster rate than the former.

Lastly, Democrats are capturing a rising share of the young and college-educated, who are emerging from schools and colleges where the values of the counterculture on issues from abortion to same-sex marriage to affirmative action have become the new orthodoxy.

The Republican "lock" on the presidency, crafted by Nixon, and patented by Reagan, has been picked. The only lingering question is whether an era of inexorable Republican decline has set in.

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Stop amnesty
The GOP must stop amnesty. If you have amnesty the conservative movement could be finished for many years. Luckly the economy may prevent amnesty from passing.

The Truth
None of the established punditry have identified the reasons the GOP was crushed last year.

Ideology was not an issue in the elections. American voters haven't a clue as to the ideology of either party. Few have any knowledge of politics, know nothing of the candidates - except Obama because they know from Oprah he's cool, and know nothing at all about how our government is structured or how it works.

To attribute the GOP's loss to the distain for conservatism is erroneous. We are being led to believe this lie because it is what the communists want.

The GOP lost because it proved thoroughly incompetent, perverted and, most importantly, feckless and cowardly. This was its worst sin. Americans will vote for Satan himself if he provides free stuff for fat, stupid and lazy Americans.

The GOP allowed itself to be pushed around by its opponents, was to timid to govern even after being given a monopoly on power twice, forbade our military victory to appease world opinion, and simply could not administer the resources of government.

And they bankrupted us.

The GOP needs a Night of the Long Knives. A cadre of young believers should have dragged almost all of the dried up, fossilized GOP leaders out at night and put them up against the wall, then rebuilt the party with fighters willing to walk erect and not do tricks like a circus seal like that pathetic beaten old McCain.

Until the GOP gets rid of its geldings and castratos, it will continue to loose.

Thank you JD's Son
You stated precisely what has happened withthe GOP. It will be a relief when all the old mavericks are gone and forgotten.
I hope it will not be too late to save the country from the onslaught of communism and the sloths who depend on it.

interesting that...
... it wasn't so long ago that the same questions were being asked about the Democratic Party. I think winners AND losers tend to read too much into short-term trends.

Exactly, Semper L...
No place to go but up! But the fact that 52% buy into that rubbish still gives pause.

The GOP is Not Dead!
It just doesn't have any national leadership right now. John McCain as party head? Paleeze!
He's barely a RINO!

The GOP needs to kick out the likes of McCain and all his NEOCON cronies.

I'm working locally to hold the RINO's feet to the fire to expose their 'girlie men' traits. Conservatives need to either take the party back or form a completely new party.

National socialist... HA! What a joke!

American patriots that refuse to compromise traditional values and are willing to die for their constitution are needed now.

Resist the left! Join your local GOP and make the necessary changes!
Get going!

The Future Of The GOP
0 zilch nada! Their reputation is unredeemable. Conservatives do not tolerate hypocrisy or being lied to or not being heard - especially TWICE or more! Your lies and hypocrisy now fall on deaf ears. No one believes you anymore. When we wanted your help, you gave us the finger instead. We the People have now divorced the GOP! The American People have always been a generous people willing to forgive and forget, but there is a limit, and the GOP has now crossed that line - the line of no redemption. Now, we must go our separate ways! We can do just fine without you. We're sick and tired of you destroying our country and flipping us off when we asked for your help. We know where we're not appreciated. You called us "vigilantes!" for wanting a safe country. Your Trent Lott threatened to shut us up with the Fairness Doctrine in defiance of the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution. Your President jailed two fine Americans just doing their job protecting us from a drug dealer. The only voters any of you ever "represented" in DC from your Districts or your States were yourselves!

The death of the GOP
America has become a nation of those that want everything for nothing, just like the European countries. Why work when the government will take care of all your needs. That is what the Liberal Fascists (Dems) promise and provide. All you have to do is give up the right of free speech, and follow the party line (sound familiar?) Pretty soon nobody will earn enough to support the deadbeats and the decline of the nation will be complete, thanks to Libs like obama, pelosi, doo, frank, schumer, durbin, clinton, kennedy, and the traitor from Massachusetts who ran for president the last time Kerry.

This column consists of
two parts. The phrase "in the absence of a catastrophically failed Democratic president" and all the rest of the excess verbiage. In the presence of a catastrophe, all bets are off.

Banana Republic Is Born
The logic is impeccable: Why vote for a Party that stands for self-reliance and personal responsibility when you can vote for a Party that promises you everything? Thanks to the Democrats and stupid leaders like Kennedy, Pelosi, Reid, and Obama we are morphing into a democracy from a republic. The next step, of course, is a dictatorship.

The English colonists who founded America and put together a Constitution that was designed to perpetuate a republic and prevent a monarchy or dictatorship are long gone. What's more their descendants have forgotten the principles of the nation's founding.

Banana republic, here we come. When will the first putsch be staged?

The logic is impeccable.

GOP is dust in the wind....
The Republicans/GOP are a bunch of sniveling wimps who would recognize the Constitution if it gave them a lap dance... And it's all their fault! They don't fight for what's right they compromise and kiss the lefts arse.

After this last election for me it's fate was sealed UNTIL such time as they get a rebel who won't give way to the lefts crapola.

I'd rather go down fighting then ally myself to wimps,traitors, and idiots.

No ILLEGALS, NO GUN CONTROL, NO COMPASSIONATE COMPROMISE!
NO MORE BULLSHITE!



Oops edit error..sorry
The Republicans/GOP WOULD NOT know the Constitution if it gave them a lap dance

GOP is finished
Gingrich led the GOP to remarkable heights of popularity and expectation. The party politicians then forgot who elected them and what program they had promised to follow. The present and recently deposed GOP cannot govern responsibly. The voting public will soon tire of the Democrats self serving attention to minority voices of homosexuals, immigrants, unions and blacks. We can have our country back by removing all of the current politicians in both parties who brought us to this unfortunate place. NEVER VOTE OF AN ENCUMBENT!

Thanks for NOTHING ......GOP

I'm Celebrating America's Demise today by
Flying my Culpeper and Gadsden Flag and lowering the good old Red,White and Blue to half staff
Then,
Putting a NO Socialism bumper sticker on my gas guzzling mini van

Turning off all electronic media as of 8 am so I don't have to listen to the Obamadrama

And by turning up the heat in my house
and
by repeatedly faxing my dissent to all the 'elected' reps who want to steal my Freedoms granted to me by the CONSTITUTION!

Then for good measure I think I'll clean and oil my guns!

My way of 'Celebrating' the demise of this REPUBLIC!

God Bless America and PLEASE have mercy on us we'll need it!

Here is why the GOP
won't win. It is because conservative values are good whether you're in power or not. Those values are established over time if practiced and if they are not practiced those values never have time to root and flourish. The GOP has forsake conservative value to embrace political expediency. Political expediency gives no contrast to the party that excels in 'political expediency.'

The GOP and its constituency need to resolve whether conservative values are worthy of good government. And practice them at every level of power OR admit their love of political expediency over values.

Overwhelmed by Buchanan's optimism.
Alot depends upon the Democrats.

If the party allows the far Left to dominate its platform and agenda, it may alienate many "bluedog" Democrats, and could turn such states as Florida, Ohio, Michigan and even Pennsylvania into play for the GOP.

Nothing is written in stone.

GOP deserves this a**-kickin'.

From Tom Delay thru G.W. Bush, the party has made blunder after blunder.

LBJ got 61% of the vote in 1964(a truly historic percentage)yet Nixon won the presidency a mere 4 years later.

There is an ebb and flow to everything.

And it is not out of the question for the GOP to come in from the cold.

But it must tailor its message to the new realities...some of which Buchanan mentions above.



We Shall Overcome
Barack Obama's Election Has Re-Energized Pro-Life Advocates to Fight Abortion
http://www.lifenews.com/nat4739.html

Old Glory
If you're planning to fly tour American Flag upside down as a signal of an American in distress I wanted to give you a heads up...

After reading a couple of articles and getting a hold of a few friends in law enforcement I would recommend against it. The KKK has stated that they were going to show their dissent for the PEBO in that way. The officers I spoke with were briefed to stop it.

May I suggest you fly OLD GLORY at half staff instead.

Keep fighting on..I'm gone NO Media after 8 am for me...too depressing
Edna

EdnaEagle
"The KKK has stated that they were going to show their dissent for the PEBO in that way. The officers I spoke with were briefed to stop it."

Excuse ME? Don't these particular LEOs have anyone at the station with the sense to tell them to read the Constitution and then MYOB?



If a rising conservative...
... Republican were to read the posts above (of most on TH, for that matter) discussing what's wrong with the GOP, I doubt he or she would be optimistic. The impression is not one of a swelling movement waiting for leadership, but rather of a shrinking, ever-angrier lynch mob.


Only talk.
I'm not sure the questions is whether or not the GOP can win another Presidential Election. The question is, "will it matter very much" if they do?

For it to matter, they'd have to have a position that was substantially different from the Democrats. And not just a position, but a firm commitment to follow through once in power. I keep reading some who still want us to believe that the GOP stands for "for self-reliance and personal responsibility?"

And, of course, that's what they tell us. However, as we've learned over the last 10 years, it's only talk.

Electing a John McCain, as opposed to an Obama, or a Bush, as opposed to a Gore, doesn't appear to matter very much. Given, it's only talk.

The bottom line is that the GOP may talk a "conservative message", but it obviously doesn't believe in it. And so, we have Ogama - the reincarnation of Bush, (with a few adjustments here and there).


It Ain't Over

Today we inaugurate the most glaring example of the empty suit syndrome to ever occupy the office of the Presidency. The Democratic Party would have us believe the crew accompanying "The Messiah" is the most competent to ever to take the reigns of government. However, the truth that awaits is Jimmy Carter's second term, administered by Clinton apparatchiks. In foreign affairs, Putin, the Iranians, and North Koreans are licking their chops, waiting for these sheep to represent the free world. In economic affairs, union thugs are rubbing their hands with glee in anticipation of bringing the American economy to levels of competiveness and productivity not seen since 1960's Britain. By the third year of this freak show the situation will be so desperate that Soros & Co. will be trying to manufacture another global crisis to preserve their power. The question then, is what are we going to do, have Bobby Jindal make a nasty speech?

G.O.P.
Grand Old Party nows stand for "Going Out of Power!" and not a minute too soon! Now if we can just break the death grip AIPAC has on our middle east policy, America will become a independent country again. No GOP, no AIPAC, a new America....

MAYBE LINCOLN GOT IT WRONG
LINCOLN BEGAN THE DEATH OF THE REPUBLIC

.....PAT ...

.....I know that Lincoln is the hero of many Americans but he is not one of mine ...I see him as the President that began the dissolution of the American Republic that Obama is about to finish ...

....."A House Divided Cannot Stand" looks good on a monument but a "House United by Subjugation in a Bloody War" is a "House in Chains" ...

.....Lincoln should have allowed the South to secede ....they had every right to do so ...slavery would have died a natural death when inventions such as the cotton gin made slavery unprofitable and in fact a burden economically ...the South most likely would have asked to be re-annexed and a violent bloody war could have been avoided ...

.....Lincoln was a tyrant who set off a chain of events that hurt our Republic mortally ...we might have bound up our wounds but they never healed ...

.....Maybe the South should rise again ...maybe it is time for the Blues and the Reds to part ways ...amicably this time without a bloody war .....COLOSSUS

Good post baseballdoc
Not enough people realize the damage Lincoln did to this country.

GOP
Let's see, didn't enforce laws, didn't secure our borders, didn't stop run away spending, didn't balance the budget. What good are our current Republicans?

Why would people vote Republican?
The GOP doesn't even adhere to its own Platform, anymore.

The recent GOP expanded the govt the most since FDR/Dems of the 1930's; they didn't accomplish one significant reform of govt; they nearly doubled federal spending and the budget deficit; they continued down the globalist path.

In short, they're no different than the Democrat Party, so why bother?

JD'S HANDSOME SON

.....I like your posts ...mainly because I always agree with them ...

.....I did two tours in the Far East and spent thirteen months in MAAG before it became MACV ...I have a theory about McCain ...I think the North Vietnamese broke him ...I think that's why he always toadys up to our enemies ...it is his survival technique ...he has been conditioned to be a collaborator .....COLOSSUS

It might be erroneous, thought to
declare the GOP "dead".

Its been done before--with BOTH Parties.

The Democrats will be just as bad (remember, there is no real difference between the two Majors), and there is every reason to believe that enough folks will get tired of Democrat criminality and bad policy, in the future, that Republicans will once again get THEIR turn to screw things up.

GW & GOP REPORT CARD

GW GETS AN "F"

.....In my opinion the Presidency of George Bush was a disappointment and a colossal failure ...

.....After giving a rousing speech on 9/11 he failed to bring the perpetrator to justice ...he invaded Iraq when it wasn't necessary, and after toppling Saddam he bogged us down on a nation builing mission ...while failing to protect our own Southern border ...

.....He stood the policies of Reagan on their head by increasing the size of government and excessive spending and incurred a massive debt for the next generations to pay off ...

.....He did nothing to advance the cause of Conservatism and greased the skids for the Socialist wave that is about to overwhelm us ...

.....He can not get out of town fast enough to suit me ...he has damaged the Republican brand and betrayed the conservatives who supported him .....COLOSSUS

Grand Old Party
Is there a compelling reason for the GOP to resurge? Given the records of the Bush clan, assuming they fairly represent the GOP, is there any desire for the GOP to rule? If the GOP could stand for less intrusive and smaller and less corrupt Federal government, it would have purpose. Even though I voted for McCain and have always voted Republican, and probably always will, I am glad that Obama won.

Country is Gone Forever
Pat - great article. I am mourning today as it is the end of the USA as we have known it. BO is not my president. The GOP has let all conservatives down. We are headed down the path to socialism and the traitorous democrats are leading the charge.

JD'S HANDSOME SON
Well put. Now to what you said, perhaps instead of getting rid the leadership we just leave and join other parties that are purer in principle and intent. I believe it an error to continue thinking that we must rely on a schizophrenic, horribly confused party, that still seems as it's intent only to get "Rs" in. What is needed to swell the ranks of other viable parties, and work from there. I see five potential parties that should be attractive to those of either a Conservative, or a Libertarian bent.These parties can then form coalitions to work together for Constitutionality, but can focus more on making gains within states. To also help this along I suggest that many who find themselves in "lost" states(think California) consider moving(yes, not like snapping one's fingers) to states where by their votes and in other actions, they can have greater influence. Think Tennessee, Texas, Oklahoma, and Virginia. Those 5 parties;

http://www.constitutionparty.com/

http://www.lp.org/

http://www.americafirstparty.org/

http://www.selfgovernment.us/

http://jeffersonrepublicanparty.com/

baseballdoc, good stuff again!
I will point out, respectfully, that Reagan's admin saw a pretty big increase in federal spending, and quite a large growth in the nat'l debt. Also, immigration policy during his tenure (amnesty) proved to be a very bad move which only encouraged more illegal immigration.

TRUE GREATNESS HAS NO MODELS
Authentically great men have no need for the symbols, imagery, style and legacies of other great men.True greatness is original, innovative, genuine and real and needs no models to imitate. Who did Lincoln imitate in his presidential campaign, or in the period leading up to his inauguration? Whose Bible did he use to swear him in as President? Who did the Roosevelts imitate and ape? Who was Kennedy's model? Who did Reagan emulate? Answer: No one. These men were among the great ones of history and walked in no one's shoes. Even George Bush as he rose to power drew strength from his principles, convictions and ideals, not from any of his predecessors (save some good advice from his dad). But not Barack Obama. Never in the history of presidential politics, never in a campaign or in the pre-inaugural stage, has a candidate or President-elect leaned so heavily on the great men of the past. Why has Obama been doing this? Is it simply out of reverence for these men? Is he paying homage to them? Is that the reason? Or is it because he's just a conventional politician with no exceptional qualities? A mediocre man with no real greatness in him who desperately wants to appear great?

Could it be that Obama suffers from an inferiority complex much like his wife? That like Michelle he has a poor self-image which he tries to overcome by echoing the great Presidents, and especially the greatest of them all Abraham Lincoln? I believe that's the case. From the start of his campaign in Springfield Illinois, Lincoln's hometown, to his swearing in on Lincoln's Bible. From his gigantic rally in West Berlin where JFK gave his "Ich bin ein Berliner" speech to his acceptance speech at Denver on the anniversary of Dr. King's I Have a Dream Speech, Obama, so it seems, uses these men and their legacies to sustain the charade and show of greatness as the substance and reality are lacking in him.



The funny thing, to me, is how...
...so-called 'conservatives' are acting like Obama is the end of America, our descent into socialist hell.

Where've you folks been the last 70-80 years?

America has been a quasi-fascist/quasi-socialist, Communistic nation for DECADES.

Cubsfan
Hispanics support of the GOP went from 44% of Bush in 2004 to 33% for McCain. Only 30% supported GOP candidates in 2006, down from 40% in 2004 and 39% in 2002.

Only 37% of Asians supported the GOP in 2008, 10% of blacks, but 71% of whites. You can't continue being a majority party when you write off entire blocs of the electorate. If Hispanics swing to the DP to the degree blacks have the GOP will be a minority party forever (outside of Hawai'i and a few districts in say New York, California, etc Asians are just too small in numbers to really matter).

The xenophobic tone of the McCain-Kennedy debate (prime examples here on TH)is one reason for the implosion of support among Hispanics.

McCain lost Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado, Florida--all with large numbers of Hispanics and growing each year. The 46 electors in these states would not have given McCain a victory--Obama's sweep was just too great, but if Bush had lost these in 2004, 2008 would have brought John Kerry's re-election bid and in 2000? We would be talking about Al Gore's legacy after 8 years and Bush would be some governor like many others that tried to win the presidency but failed--gone and soon forgotten.

Zell Miller wrote a book "A National Party No More." This seems to apply more to the GOP than it ever did to the DP.


The GOP
Had to work very hard at destroying the support it once held.

They have been very good at throwing elections to the democrats.

And why not, the neocons are as socialist as are the democrats, and the bankers own both parties anyway

JD's Handsome SOn
No.

The GOP lost because of the economy--mostly. With Bush and Iraq being contributing factors.

When a president presides over a failing economy no matter if he runs or not, his party will lose. Bush 41, Carter, Ford (Watergate, the pardon and he appearing to be stupid--there is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe...--didn't help either), Hoover and on and on.

Iraq is viewed by most Americans as a grave mistake. McCains support for the war only hurt him more and it became his only reason for being elected president. The most pressing issue was the economy and he was viewed as clueless on that and his own statements seemed to support that view.

Bush's approval rating was as low as Carter's and Nixon--Carter lost in a landslide in 1980 and Nixon's replacement lost too--to an unknown, peanut farmer from Georgia in 1976. Bush's approval rating is almost as bad as Truman--his lost in the primary in New Hampshire in 1952 showed him his fate and he decided not to seek re-election to a third term (the 22nd amendment didn't apply to him even if it was ratified the year before in 1951). His replacement, Adlai Stevenson, lost in a landslide.

Young Turks could not have saved the GOP this year--unless they try to out Obama, Obama. If they had totally repudiated Bush--like the Soviets did to Stalin, called on say Bush and his top officials to be investigateds for this and that, stated Iraq was a grave error and promised to end it as soon as possible, promised to go after the Wall Street barons--seize their property, redistribute it to the people hurt by their greed and on and on. Then, they might have had a chance, but they wouldn't have been Republicans then. So that wasn't going to happen. The GOP was doomed in 2006 and 2008 and they were doomed by George Bush. He became a millstone around the neck of the GOP and will continue to be one for years to come.


Jerseyvet
" Why vote for a Party that stands for self-reliance and personal responsibility when you can vote for a Party that promises you everything?"

Which party is that? It is not the GOP for sure. NCLB, Medicare drug prescription, added 5 trillion to the national debt. The question is which party is more socialist, the DP or the GOP. My vote today is the GOP.

What Buchanan only hints at.
Questions Pat doesn't answer:

Why whites, the basis of the Republican party, are a smaller part of the electorate than ever?

Answer: mass nonwhite immigration.

Why Hispanics and Asians, who voted two to one for Obama, are now a sizable portion of the population?

Answer: mass nonwhite immigration.

So the answer Pat leaves out is that turning America into a nonwhite country means the death of the Republican party, the death of conservatism, and the permanent takeover of America by the left. And that answer is forbidden, because it would involve saying that there is something negative about turning America into a nonwhite country.



more buc nonsense
Pat used to have a great ability to analyze history but lately his grasp is failing.

Pres Eisenhower and the Republicans ruled the country for 8 years. Then the Democrats won. In 64 the election was not even close.

But after 8 years the Republicans won again.

Then the Carter Presidency was a disaster and Pres Reagan won decisivly 4 years later. Was this because of a brilliant message from Reagan or a country fed up with Carter? Now I think Pres Reagan was a GREAT president and one of my favorites but he was a one time Democrat and head of a union who supported amnesty!

After 12 years of Republican rule Pres Clinton took control of the country. Democrats had it for 8 years before Republicans could win it back and hold it for 8.

Now today starts a new Democrat regime. I wish the Republicans had won, but anyone who thinks this election is the "death" of the Republican party just does not grasp the big picture history of the Republican party.

Pres Bush did some great stuff as Pres. However historically it was time for a Democrat and he grew the gov to much. Republicans get back to core Republican fiscal values, less gov interference, stay strong military and national defense, and stay engaged we will get it back.

Tinsldr2@yahoo.com

Is GOP Still a National Party?
Conservatism has taken a body blow, no doubt, but we are not out for the count! You can bet that the liberal left, all flush with “victory”, will overplay their hand in very short order and with hubris typical to their kind (different and inferior species) they will hoist themselves up by their own petards and disgrace themselves royally. Hopefully, they don’t take the Nation down with them!

If you look at Bush's term and what McCain stands for you cannot say that they are the carriers of the conservatives' banner. They are both putrid hybrid liberals with a sprinkling of the conservative on some issues. We need new leadership with an iron will and true vision for America. The country is being flushed down the toilet of mediocrity and third world status.

McCain ia already positioning himself with B.O. to be his lap dog; pretty pathetic.

Apollo
Bush also has invoked Lincoln many many times.

I would have advised Obama to stay away from Lincoln. His election caused 7 states to leave the Union and his actions (his intent to resupply Sumter which lead to the bombardment and the calling on the states to supply troops to put down the "rebellion") caused another 4 (and if not for he keeping the Maryland legislature from meeting by sending in the Union troops, a 5th would have gone) to leave.

The resulting war causing 620,000 deaths and the South in ruins. There was unity--at the point of a gun. Qin Shi Huang unified China too but I don't think the State of Chu wanted to be a part of that Unity. Genghis Khan unified much of Asia--again many of those united into the Mongol Empire did so not of their own free will. Hitler tried to unify Europe (and came pretty close). I don't think France wanted any part of this unification.

Lincoln also put members of the US Supreme Court under de facto house arrest, suspended writs of habeas corpus, tried people in miltary courts when the civilian courts were in operation (see ex parte Milligan), put up blockades prior to congressional consent and on and on. On a personal note, he was assassinated only weeks after taking the oath of office for his second term, had his youngest son, Willie die in the White House (Davis had a similar fate--his son Joesph died at the Confederate White House in 1864), his wife was put in a mental institution by his oldest son, Robert after his death.

Lincoln's presidency is one no one would want to repeat and his life can best be described as a Greek Tragedy. If I were him, I'd want to have another role model--one that outlived his presidency, didn't have some of his children die inside the White House, nor his wife go mad or have the equivilent of 5 million Americans being killed while he was in office.

Try Ike instead.

Akagi
How do you propose that the GOP get Hispanic votes? It would seem to me they gave it their best shot with McCain, who spent far more effort making a stand for non-citizens than citizens. Even if amnesty is granted and the Republican hierarchy signs onto it, Hispanics will still give credit and votes to Dem anyhow. McCain was far more identified with amnesty than was Obama.

Edna
"After reading a couple of articles and getting a hold of a few friends in law enforcement I would recommend against it. The KKK has stated that they were going to show their dissent for the PEBO in that way. The officers I spoke with were briefed to stop it."

And how would the officers plan on stopping it?

Read Texas v. Johnson (1989). If I can burn it, urinate on it, invite people to walk over it to sign a book explaining their feelings as a living art exhibit, use it for toilet paper (I wouldn't recommend it--it'd do who knows what damage to your plumbing) and a host of other things many here would see as vile, I see no way they could stop me from flying it upside down. That pesky First Amendment again.


Tinsldr2 keep dreaming.
It is you who do not grasp the big picture.
Actually, you aren't even at a kindergarten level of grasping the racial crisis that dooms the West unless it is confronted.

Obama symbolizes white displacement. Obama is a symtom of a larger illness.

kgregt
It would help not calling them names like many do here. You can support immigration laws without calling for the USBP be turned into the GREPO and the border into a free-fire zone.


Goldilocks and white displacement
Please show me the Percentages of voters from a reliable source that says whites are not the majority voters in this country.

If you check the CENSUS you will see the overwhelming majority of voters are White. http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/race/ppl-186_ aoic.html

The FACT is that MANY whites had to vote for PRES Obama for him to get elected.

For example drive the New England states that Pat talks about. They are overwhelmingly white, non-hispanic and yet voted overwhelmingly for Pres Obama.

Only ONE US Senator is Black and he was appointed not elected.

Goldilocks is a good name for you, you are in fairy tale land.
tinsldr2@yahoo.com

goldilocks
Asians are 4.3% of the population and except for Hawai'i and a few districts in states like California, New York, etc--Asians just don't matter very much on who gets elected. And how would you combat "non-white" immigration--bring back the National Origns Act--a law pushed by the KKK and other racists like Madison Grant? For anyone who doesn't know what the term racist means, Madison Grant is a text book example of what a real racist (instead of just your garden variety bigot) is.

But you are right in a way. 71% of whites voted for the GOP in 2008. Only 30% of Hispanics did and 37% of Asians and only 10% of blacks (this includes House, Senate and the president/vice-president) did. Compare that in 2004 when 40% of Hispanics voted for the GOP (and 44% for Bush) and 39% in 2002. The answer is not to stop non-white immigration (which is not going to happen, and even if you did it wouldn't matter since birth rates among Hispanics would mean they would cause a majority-minority country anyway). But to appeal to minority voters and calling for the USBP to become the GREPO and the border into a free-fire zone and calling Mexico a sewer isn't going to accomplish this. As long as the GOP stays the "white party" it's influence as a national party will continue to wane. Sure, you can win Idaho and Utah every year, but as a national party? No chance. In 2050, whites will be a minority (as will all other racial groups). 71% of 46%=32%, 37% of 9%=3%, 10% of 15%=1.5%, 30% of 30% is 9% for a total of 45.5%, which will lose you every election. If you don't make inroads in the Hispanic and Asian community (I think the blacks are pretty much a lost cause), you are doomed. And since support among the DP seems to be growing, the 71% rate for whites in 2050 might be much less.

Goldilocks
You may note only 1 million immigrant visas get issued each year--far below the number of Americans born in the US each year. The GOP problem isn't caused by immigration.

And since we are on the subject, aren't you late for your Klan protest, anyway?

Tinsldr2:

No. She lives in Aryanland and her favorite group is Prussian Blue.

Akagi
I disagree with your contention that name calling is the reason Republicans are losing these votes. What % of the population is reading TownHall anyway, .0001%? I think minorities simply want bigger government and there's really nothing the Republicans can do. You can't spend enough to buy these votes as a Republican- Bush demonstrated that. The problem for Republicans is that while Bush spent heavily on domestic programs, the public perception is that it all went to the wars. Also, if you try to match the spending of the Dems, what reason does that leave to be a Republican?

A few things
First, immigrants aren't poor or "Third World." Of the top ten countries that send immigrants to the US--only four can be seen as "Third World." The others are either NICs or fully developed. The fees and proof of support you need to be granted an immigrant visa make those that apply at least middle class if not above.

Second, most illegals are poor, but they can't vote. There is little evidence illegals vote in large numbers in US elections. Never been a case where it has been proven non-citizen voting has caused an election to be won or lost.

Third, Asians by and large don't have children in large numbers any more than whites do. By 2050, there numbers will only be 9% of the population--still the smallest minority group--behind whites, Hispanics, and blacks. The top Asian countries that send immigrants to the US are Korea (2.2% of total), China (4.7%), India (4.0%), the Philippines (4.2%), Vietnam (3.0%) for 18.1% of the total which is less than Mexico alone which sends 23% of the total. It also sends 57% of the illegals where illegals from Asia is quite small--only China and India being in the top 5--both at 2% of the total population compared to Mexico's 57%.

Finally, there will be another GOP President. Business cycles, foolish wars, corruption and the like will fell another Democratic president (or candidate) at some point and time. The danger is that the GOP becomes the new Whig Party. The Whigs ran 7 times for president between 1836 and 1860. It won only twice--in 1840 and 1848. The slavery issue killing it in 1860. It controlled the House only three times 1834-1835; 1839-1843; and 1847-1849.

That is the danger. That the GOP wins only once in a blue moon and it becomes basically a second tier party to the DP. If it stays a "white-only" party, this will happen--sooner rather than later.


Not about TH per se
GOP-led House tried to make illegal entry a felony, when it tried to pass its own immigration reform bill back in 2005. McCain-Kennedy was killed mostly by the GOP in the Senate. Comments on Talk Radio, comments by nut cases like Tom Tancredo. Comments on CNN by Lou Dobbs, Glenn Beck (so when is Lou going to jump ship to Fox too?), comments by Sean and the Leprechaun get repeated on Spanish-language radio over and over and Hispanics do listen to those. Ads by Hispanic and non-Hispanic DP candidates on theose same radio stations paint the GOP as anti-Hispanic. Supporting stupid laws like English-only or English official laws gives credence to that claim.

The growing opinion by Hispanics is the GOP is an anti-Hispanic party and that is what is killing the GOP in that community.


Faulty reasoning.
When it comes to immigration and national survival, race is the supreme issue, the issue on which all others hang. On one side, our country is steadily being changed into a different country by the immigration of people of different race. On the other side, we are letting this happen because, controlled by liberalism, we are morally incapable of saying that we should not allow our country to be re-populated and transformed into a different country by people of other races. So: racially diverse mass immigration is undoing us, and our irrational, immoral, and cowardly fear of being "racist" makes us incapable of stopping that racially diverse mass immigration.

Race is certainly powerful...
I saw an interview the other night w/ Jennifer Lopez and even she was playing the role of Hispanic victim. A woman adored by millions who has become extremely wealthy and she still thinks she needs Obama as a minority.

However do you disagree with my contention that a majority of Hispanics want bigger government? As long as they do, the Republicans can't win their votes. I would be curious to see some data on why Hispanics voted as they did. If you have seen anything like that, please post.

JD's Handsome Son
"Ideology was not an issue in the elections. American voters haven't a clue as to the ideology of either party. Few have any knowledge of politics, know nothing of the candidates - except Obama because they know from Oprah he's cool, and know nothing at all about how our government is structured or how it works."

Well, you're partly right and partly wrong.

Ideology is THE PRIMARY FACTOR in both the election of Barak Hussein and the decline of the GOP.

The problem comes in in the fact that many do not realize how much their ideology has been chosen for them.

Goldilocks
What is so ironic is that if you substitute the word race with Irish, Italian, German, Jewish...your post could have been written 150 years ago.

Moralk Health
Government fiat can no more create moral health than it can create economic health.

Smaller more restricted government is the only way forward.

We should look to the "success" of the California Republican Party and work to solve moral issues in the same place that economic issues need to be solved. The private sector.

bryce1 and other critics of Goldi
There's still an element of truth to her assertions.

GOP did it to themselves.


The GOP is now splintered into far too many agenda groups who all got promises, unfulfilled, by the Bush WH.
These false feeling of power remain and will continue dragging the party down taking years to fix.


Tinsldr2
What are you all worried about? After all, you have Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin to carry your standards. Just keep finding more politicians like them, you'll be fine.

Also, be sure to organize around Obama's birth certificate - that really inspires people, and makes them give your ideas alot of respect.

kgregt
Of course, you're correct, they want to be democrats and all that implies. That's what has been absurd about the "Republicans must do more to win over Hispanics" argument all along. The "more" that Republicans have to do is to give Hispanics everything the Democrats are giving them, and then some. But that would require Republicans to be a pro-open borders, pro-legalization of illegals, anti-rule of law, anti-American, pro-big-government party.


angel/angel
Why do you fear ordinary citizens getting invoved in politics as opposed to lawyers and the super rich?

goldilocks
How is the US being transformed into a different country?

All these Spanish folk speak this for'in languages. So did the Germans. So much so that entire regiments in the Civil War were filled with only German-speaking troops and battlefield commands were in German. Chinatown in SF has been there since the 1850s, and in NYC since the 1880s.

Mexicans crossing back and forth into the SW has been common place for much of the history of the border region until the 1950s when the US tried to stop it--it didn't work then and it isn't working now. Hispanics assimilate today just as fast as immigrants of the past. 90% of second generation Hispanics speak English either fluently or near fluently.

Your alarms have been cried over and over again since the start. In the 1790s it was the Germans, in the 1840s the Irish, in the 1880s it was the Chinese, in the 1920s, the Jews and southern and eastern Europeans, now it is the Hispanics. And your cries will end up where theirs did...in the dustbin of history.

Sorry, Goldi. There is no going back to 1924 as much as you and your hooded pals want to.

tinsldr2
Your reasoning is faulty. Yes the majority vote is white. But since the republican vote is made up primarily of whites, when whites are in the minority (coming soon) how can republicans ever win. Also, New England may be mainly white, however, they are also liberal. Did you forget that there are plenty of whites who vote for democrates? Keep checking the CENSUS, and keep on dreaming.

kgregt
Top issue of Hispanics in 2008 like all Americans were the economy. See http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/101.pdf


For Akagi
First, kudus to you on the quality of your posts. Your comments may always be counted on to enhance the level of discourse. However, I must admit to being perplexed by your comments today. What would the Republican Party do, call for more illegal immigration, help legislate more quotas/entitlements, or work to make the US a bilingual or multilingual society. If one would take Canada or the the Soviet Union as examples you would see that both models fail miserably. As far the question of illegal's voting in US elections I will say that having lived in Hispanic majority communities for extended periods, voter fraud is the stock and trade of the Democratic Party. Those of us who oppose illegal immigration are not knee jerk anti Hispanic and many of us have close familial ties to Mexico. However, we do believe in one language, one culture, and one set of laws for all Americans.

goldilocks
Coming soon if you mean 2050. 41 years to me is not exactly soon.

goldilocks
Immigration actually scored very low (just above energy policy) among Hispanic voters. The top issues were the economy, education, health care, national security, the environment and then immigration. About the same as what concerned everyone. The claim that Hispanics just are looking for handouts is just more of your race-baiting.

Tinsldr2
Welcome back, haven't seen your nick for a while. You picked some heckuva time.

All this ethnic stuff, birth rates and so forth is irrelevant. The voters will either figure out what works or they will not. Up to now, most Americans have supported the notion of extra pay for extra work. They realize that debt is a heavy burden one is better off without. They believe that children are better off with married parents. They believe in some sort of Supreme Deity. These are conservative principles and they will not go away. The dismal performance of the GOP CINOs has alienated many of these folks. Its up for grabs which party will best support these goals. The economy and the pocketbook voters alone can swing much more than a 2% election win.

Angel/angel and worry
angel asks what am I worried about?

Well lets see lets start with closing Gitmo, and release of Prisoners, a head of CIA in time of war who believes it should act "nicely" and not aggressively persue terrorists.

A head of the treasury department who claims he couldn't figure out his own taxes for four straight years and then even after the IRS told him he made a "mistake" he didnt pay until he was nominated, that worries me.

A trillion dollars in NEW deficit spending ALREADY proposed by President Obama on top of the crushing Defict we got FROM the REPUBLICAN President leaving office.

A head of homeland security, and head of department of state that along with director of CIA have no foreign policy MAKING experience worries me.

A lawyer that was involved in a leading role with the Elian Gonzales /cuba fiasco, pardon of terrorist and Mark Rich scandal as the Attorny general worry me.

Of course I am glad that Sec Gates is staying on at Sec Defense, I am worried about how long he will last or how much influence he can exdeert.

As for people for the Republican party to rally around does Angel not know that Joe the Plumber was NOT a politician? The Republicans have many good politicians out there such as my guy in the Primaries, Gov Romney, or Gov Huckabee, Gov Jindal, and others.

There are many great Republican Leaders out there and more will emerge.

And as for the lunacy of the democrat started lawsuits (Bergs) around President Obama's Birth certificates, I personally stated that it was lunacy on several townhall comments and NO MAJOR Republican leader rallied behind that nonesense as a cause.

But what I am not worried about, is that AMERICA will remain the GREATEST country on earth. With all our problems, we are still the best there is and despite small ups and downs we continue to get better!
Tinsldr2@yahoo.com

Qparker
The US is already a bilingual society. Spanish being the de facto second language. You might note India has 23 official languages, Singapore four, Taiwan has one official and two others that are widely spoken not to mention English and Japanese. China has literally hundreds of languages. None of these have broken up to my knowledge.

You can support immigration law without being xenophobic about it or calling for an American GREPO be sent to the US-Mexican border.

Calls for an offical language 1) do no good and 2) simply alienate Hispanics as did calls for making illegal entry a felony. Bush did much to reach out to Hispanics and his support among them showed results--44% in 2004 and his party 40% in 2004. In 2006 it crashed to 30% and much of this can be laid on the immigration debate. McCain's 2008 showing was hardly better at 31% and while much can be laid at Bush low approval rating and the imploding economy, much can also be laid at anti-GOP feelings generated by the 2005 and 2007 immigration reform bills that painted the GOP as anti-Hispanic.


No...
After jettisoning the next generation of conservative voters by mocking Ron Paul and his campaign. No foresight at all.

Goldilocks and faulty reasoning
First goldi says "Did you forget that there are plenty of whites who vote for democrates?"

That is precisly my point. What Goldi does not WANT to see, although several pointed it out and there are NO FACTS to base her racist conclusions on, is the election was NOT decided by race but by many factors primarily the economy.

Secondly, Goldi the racsist says, 'When it comes to immigration and national survival, race is the supreme issue, the issue on which all others hang. On one side, our country is steadily being changed into a different country by the immigration of people of different race. "

So a simple question is are we a great country because "white" people live here? Are we a great country because we speak English? Or are we a great country because we have democracy, freedoms, the ability start humble and become ANYTHING we are capable of, a great bill of rights and a value of human rights and dignity?

Now i think we need legal immigration and not ILLEGAL immigration. Illegal immigration has some negative economic impacts and raises some governemtn costs plus it could be exploited by terrorists.

But can ANYONE give me a fundamental way in which immigration is negatively impacting the "national survival"? Which things that make make our counry great are threatened by immigrants? I thought they came here because we said "give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning o be free", not give us your whites only.

Oh and as anyone that wants to see me in uniform at the below link can ascertain I am a White male a few months from Army retirement.

http://www.sharkfighter.com (I am pic at bottom of that page)

off topic to pistol
Pistol, hiya

I took some time away from TH after the Nov 4th loss.

Also I rarely read Pats columns. Hope you and everyone else are having a great new year.

Rob

Akagi
Since no disagreement with immigration is allowed (since to do so would be the demonization of immigrants and would make one immoral), then you are saying that the biggest issues facing our country, affecting our whole future as a country, NO DEBATE IS ALLOWED.
Only one side of the issue can be heard---your side. And if that's what you believe, you don't believe in a free, self-governing country. You believe in a dictatorship.

Let's have full disclosure. As an immigrant you get your hackles up when there is a discussion about immigrants. Much of what you say concerning immigration in this country is not factual, it's what you what to be true.

This vast importation of Third Worlders is a direct result of the Immigration Act of 1965.
Congress did it, it can be undone. (Your ethnic resentment is showing.)

For Akagi
Wow! I never realized it was so simple. All the Republican Party needs to do is turn a blind eye to unlimited illegal immigration and work to create a special legal code for Hispanics? But wait, haven't we be doing just that for the last eight years? In all seriousness it is an economic thing, Hispanics vote Democrat because they believe they are owed by white America and Democratic Party will deliver. If you think any Republican will ever poll more than 50% of the non Cuban Hispanic vote you will be disappointed.

Tinsldr2
nice posts, there you go again being reasonable, when it comes to goldilocks.

i understand your worries but would respond that just like obama, and probably just like all of us who are responsible individuals and citizens, those cabinet appointees will step up and do what is right.

let us agree that no matter what happens America will still be the greatest country in the world, and we will survive and thrive.

by the way saw your shark picture, pretty funny.

goldilocks
you must be native american, otherwise your family immigrated here also.

you do understand that protestants took the same point of view that irish (white) catholics would destroy the country.

we are all immigrants here.

the biggest issues facing our country
War against islamic terrorists

Economic troubles to include, unemployment, national debt,housing markets, and money liquidity.

Abortion, gun rights, assaults on liberty (fairness docrine).

Taxation out of control

Dependance of foreign energy, lack of nuclear power plants, lack of domestic drilling.

Bloated government and assaults on religious freedoms (example displays of nativity scenes and "under God" in the pledge)

All those things are big issues to me, and while ILLEGAL immigration must be got under control why is it the MOST important thing?

By the way are not most hispanic immigrants religious christians?

And don't most immigrants who come here do so to work hard and take care of families? Is that not the very ESSENCE of the American ideal and the foundation of our Culture?

Many Ameicans of European descent, to include the Pilgrims and Quakers, and later immigrants left Europe largely because we didn't like the European culture and wanted the Freedom offered by America. The same reason people continue to want to live here.


tnsldr2
Why don't for beginners you look at all the free medical care that illegal immigrants receive that is bankrupting hospitals in California. Combine that with the many other benefits they receive, they then turn around and 40 Billion or so to Mexico. No great need to reform that country when they can benefit off this one. As for your Statue of Liberty quote, very poignant, but I'll trump your emotions with the blood spilled by those who gave us the Declaration of Independence and A Constitution to enable us to maintain those unalienable rights, which so many coming in illegally have no regard for. The Constitution does not empower anyone to take my money in support of another, see Article 1, Section 8 for just what Congress has LEGITIMATE authority. Oh, and Sir if you don't like our law, then perhaps you can emigrate.

GOP loves big government
Most Republicans live like socialists and their children are watching.

They believe it is the job of the taxpayers and government to pay for their childrens' education, their social security, and their medicare. Then they complain about big government. It's time they started practicing what they preach.


Christianlib (off topic)
Christianlib, Only problem with the shark pic is not even a shark would eat that for bait.

http://www.sharkfighter.com

Hope you are having a great new year and enjoy today for tommorow your candidate (and now my President as much as i hate saying that)needs to get to work.

Tinsldr2@yahoo.com

Lenard try learning to read
First I reapetedly said America is the greatest place in the world to live. I think i said it three times in this thread alone.

So I will not emigrate but if i was born elsewhere I would immigrate to America.

Secondly, I already said I am against Illegal immigration. And I acknowledge that there are economic costs addociated with it.

However, corporate welfare and tax policy ( I am for lower taxes and against huge corporate welfare) effect the economy more then illegal immigration.

40 Billion to Mexico a year vs almost two trillion bettween Obama and Bush stimulus packages?

as for those who died for our country I dont need to look back to the Revolutionary war, i can look personally to my best friend, major Ed Murphy who died in Afghan or my fellow 'Dog Face Soldiers' of 3 ID that Died in Iraq. Oh and many of those Dog Face Soldiers had hispanic names and some were not even citizens but LEGAL immigrants with resident alien cards.

try these tsites:
http://www.militarycity.com/valor/779689.html For my friend Eddie

or for warriors walk:

http://w4ww.org/

or http://savannahnow.com/features/2007/soundslides/memorial/ index.html



Republicans Deserve to Lose
The pathetic Republicand Party elites believe that amnesty for illegal aliens will somehow seduce them into voting for Republicans, when it was Bush's embrace of amnesty and benefits for illegal aliens that drove the rank and file away from the Party. The Party cannot bribe minorities into voting for it by promising benefits it steals from taxpayers to give to unrepentant lawbreakers. Republican leaders and their failed spokesmen have proven their incompetence by their renewed call for special privileges based on race -- i.e., minorities get benefits that nonminorities cannot get. Bush's last-minute pardon of the border patrol agents in response to public pressure must have aggravated him greatly, since his allegience to Mexico is greater than to America. Good riddance to Bush and the Party.

tinsldr2
What a fool. And you think you're a conservative.

Your liberalism is seen in statements like these:

So a simple question is are we a great country because "white" people live here? Are we a great country because we speak English? Or are we a great country because we have democracy, freedoms, the ability start humble and become ANYTHING we are capable of, a great bill of rights and a value of human rights and dignity?

Why do we have democracy and freedom? does Mexico have democracy and freedom? Do Asians have democracy and freedom"

Here's a fact: If you allow North Africans to flood Italy, Italy will stop being Italy and beccome like North Africa.

If you allow America to be flooded with Asians and Mexicans, America will stop being America. Yet this true statement cannot be made , cannot be discussed.

Conservatives (right liberals) think it's okay to oppose illegal immigration because it doesn't make them racist to oppose violations of law. But to oppose legal immigration, to oppose turning our country into an Hispanic country is racist.
You have bought into the liberal evil that it is okay to defend every non-white race on the planet, but you dare not mention WHITE because if you do you are a racist, a member of the KKK
to be shunned.
When liberals want to advance non-whites they say the race of non-whites has a deep, profound, mavelous, sacred significance. But if I say I do not want my country to become a non-white country they will say that race is only skin color and it is absurd, immoral for me to believe that race matters. It only matters when it is not white.

I cant type appology
I typed addociated instead of associated in a previous post. I appologize for any confusion.

Christianlib
Of course, at first glance it seems indisputable that "we are a nation of immigrants," in the sense that all Americans, even including the American Indians, are either immigrants themselves or descendants of people who came here from other places. Given those facts, it would have been more accurate to say that we are "a nation of descendants of immigrants." But such a mundane assertion would fail to convey the thrilling idea conjured up by the phrase "nation of immigrants"—the idea that all of us, whether or not we are literally immigrants, are somehow "spiritually" immigrants, in the sense that the immigrant experience defines our character as Americans.

False church goers control
When the moderates took control of the Republican party to be inclusive, look at what became of the party. Behavior that would have not been tolerated of not being conservative nor responsible, have become the norm of a once great party. Irresponsity have always been accepted in the party of the racist, the party of true division in the history of the country, the democrats. The party of Lincoln and Reagan have become the chaos of Truman and Carter. A lost of faith, without accountability the political parties all are the same. Wasteful spending, corporate welfare, religious welfare, and an uncontrollable growth in government size. False church goers accepting deviancy as a normal way of life infesting the grand ole party have removed conservative values.

Goldilocks
First, you are assuming I am an immigrant. You are assuming facts not in evidence.

Second, the only thing the 1965 law did was to replace national origins quotas with a preference system and this was a reform of the 1952 reforms that eliminated the racist National Origins Act you seem to want to go back to. Tell me something, is it not racist to argue that it is fine to ban an immigrant who has a Ph.D. from Beida or Kyodai or Todai or Tsinghua? Yet allow a person with a 3rd grade education from Manchester to immigrate just because of the color of his skin?

And Goldilocks, you can jump up and down and crow your racist diatribes all you want. I never said you can't. But that doesn't mean others like myself have to accept them as valid.

Please point out exactly any non-factual position I have posted here today. You can't, because unlike you, I deal in facts not wild claims of "the aliens are coming, oh the humanity. We'll be like Mexico before you know it."


goldilocks
"Do Asians have democracy and freedom"

Taiwan
Japan
South Korea
Hong Kong (more free economically than the US)
Singapore( See Hong Kong)
India

Yes to oppose legal immigration based on race is racist. And no you aren't alone. China and Japan have racist immigration policies--something Japan will rue the day at some point--let's see its how well its economy does in 2150 when its population is smaller than Taiwan's.

You might not be aware but Asians have been in the US since the 1840s. Hispanics have been in the SW from day one--the second the US took (I'll be kind and not say stole) 1/3 of Mexico.

Reply to JD's Handsome Son......


"Americans will vote for Satan himself if he provides free stuff for fat, stupid and lazy Americans.".....

lol...you crack me up......lol....lmao....whew!

A letter
Conservative Republican Legislators,

WHAT ALL OF YOU MUST DO FROM NOW ON IS UNANIMOUSLY VOTE AGAINST EVERY BILL AND TAX THAT LIBERALS PROPOSE!!! DO NOT VOTE FOR ANYTHING LIBERALS PROPOSE!!! DO NOT GO ALONG TO GET ALONG WITH THE LIBERALS!!! DO NOT GO TO THEIR PARTIES!!! OPPOSE THE LIBERALS IN EVERY WAY, ESPECIALLY ILLEGAL ALIEN AMNESTY!!! JOINING LIBERALS IN ANYTHING IS SELLING OUT AMERICA!!! THEY ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS!!! THEY ARE YOUR AND AMERICA’S WORST ENEMIES, AND WILL DO ANYTHING THEY CAN TO DESTROY BOTH!!! GET THE BLUEBLOOD COUNTRYCLUB ELITES OUT OF THE PARTY!!!

You cannot stop their bills or even slow them down beyond calling for roll call votes for them. Make everything they pass totally theirs. What you will be doing is getting on record as opposing all the destructive liberal bills.

When all these liberal actions make things much worse, as they will, you can point at the record and show the people that none of you had anything to do with them, and that you had no control over their passage, that all this destruction was caused by liberals.



I hope that you will do this immediately. After the election, I suggested to President Bush that he do nothing for the Democrats, making them totally responsible for everything they did. As you can tell, he did not heed my words, and he is being blamed for the waste of the $850 billion that has disappeared.

New definition of Weapons of Mass Destruction: Government offices held by liberals.

Goldilocks and conservative values
Goldi thinks I am liberal but what are conservative values?

Strong national defense? I serve in the military and absolutely believe in a strong national defense.

Lower Taxes and smaller Government? Absolutely agree with that.

Freedom of religion not freedom from religion,

right to keep and bear arms (I have a working semi-auto shotgun and antique rifle)

Pro-life absolutely!

Strong penalties for criminals absolutely.

hard work and self relaince are the keys to success are a central lesson I impress upon my child and that is a cornerstone of conservatism.

The importance of two parent families, I have been married for 21 years.

A belief that America is the greatest country on earth is also a conservative value that I hold dear.

I just disagree that these are "white" values. I think these are the values of Gov Jindal, Secretary Rice and to a somewhat extant General Powell.

I left Phila Pa and moved to GA because I like GA better. I do not want to change Savannah into that which I left, I adopt myself to my new city (even though I still rooted for Eagles and eat Cheesesteaks).

You have shown NO EVIDENCE that America is changing for the worse because of LEGAL immigrants and illegals do not elect presidents or congress.

Conservatives lost because a shift in values of the majority white population not because of (first generation)legal or illegal immigrants.

Tinsldr
"I reapetedly said America is the greatest place in the world to live."

Guess it depends what you mean by greatest. Is it better than Haiti? Sure. It is better than Sweden? Canada? Japan? Some ways yes and others no.

Akagi and greatest place to live
America is much better then Sweden to live and on the whole better then Canada. I havent been to Japan or most Asian countries but on the whole I believe we have MORE Freedom and opportunity here then there.

Look at socialized medicine in Canada and the high tax rate in Sweden. Alcohol was very heavily taxed to make anything but vodka almost unbuyable in Sweden when i Visited (in 84 or 85)and they had an extremely restrictive immigration policy, more so then the US. The population of Sweden was largely humogenous.

I love foreign travel, have been to over 30 countries and lived for seven years in Germany (while serving in the US Army).

Compare freedoms, government systems, tax rates,cost of living well, opportunities to excell, opportunities for secondary education, standards of living, home size and many other factors and I stand by my ascertions.

The United States of America is the greatest place to live.
Other places are nice and some are great to visit.
Now America is not perfect and other countries do have some admiralble qualities (many have better public schools through high school)but in total America is a great country and is a LEADER in the world.

Akagi
Too many inaccuracies and half-truths in everything you say. That happens when you depend too much on statistics.

No, Mexicans are not assimilating, why should they. They live in enclaves that are completely Mexican. Soon Mexicans will be in the majority, why should they assimilate. And assimilate to what? We are taught America has no culture, it is just an idea. They are told that it is good to maintain their culture. Multiculturalism is good. Assimilaltion bad, that would imply that our culture is better than theirs. Everything must be equal, nothing better. Egalitarianism, non-discrimination---the holy grail of liberalism.

You say I am free to say whatever I like about immigration. I said there can be no debate.
When you call me a racist and member of the KKK
those are tactics to shut me up.

You are wrong about the Immigration Act of 1964.
It was the most far-reaching legislative enactments in our nation's history. The Act eliminated the restrictive national origins quota that had governed immigration policy since the 1920's and extended to the people of every country on earth the equal right to immigrate to the US. It can best be understood as the Civil Rights Act applied to the world at large. Prior to 1965, the first 50 percent within the quota for each country was earmarked for persons with specialized skills, the next 30 percent for parents and unmarried adult children of US citizens, and the last 20 percent for spouses or unmarried children of permanent U.S. residents. The 1965 law reversed this priority and favored relatives over skilled individuals. And there is more to be said but I haven't time.

You say I don't know you are an immigrant. I believe in another post you said that you were.
But, hey, according to christianlib we are all immigrants.

America's not Great
when Pasteor Warren gave those rosy pep talks about how nice and warm, wonderful Americans are, how great it is to live in the land of the free, how this is the greatest country in the world.
If this is true, why do we have 300,000,000 (three hundred million guns)?

tnsldr2
I apologize if I came across short. My response had to with this

But can ANYONE give me a fundamental way in which immigration is negatively impacting the "national survival"? Which things that make make our counry great are threatened by immigrants? I thought they came here because we said "give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning o be free", not give us your whites only.

There is a particular culture here that needs to be embraced by those coming in regardless of background. The fact that so many want to bring values that they were raised in which did not do their countries any good is something is upsetting. We already have enough in this country who disrespect the principles on which this country was founded, and apparently think we only got lucky to have the freedom and prosperity that having more added to the mix is damaging us.

the G.O.P is D.O.A and good
I, for one will be glad when the current weak spined worthless republicans can go away and retire at some golf course where they can pat each other on the backs and remember when they stood agaisnt who knows parking lot fees in DC or some other minimal bill. I think my 3 year old twins would show more fight then 90 percent of the GOPers on the hill.

We need to do one of two things , A. purge the GOP of the worthless weak spined wimps and send them packing for good. Or and ideally just started a conservative party and ditch the bad name of the GOP forever. I perfer the 2nd one due to never wanted to be called a republican again. My children are learning that chores have to be done before snack time , something the GOP has yet to learn. The conservative party wouldnt allow the pastel sweater wearing wimps in PERIOD. we have seen what they can do to a once great party. They need to just bite the bullet and officially become democrats afterall they already are. Ask one of the wimps a tough moral question and you watch a wimp squirm trying to use the proper words so as to disquise his/her weak nature. Its just like speaking with a democrat , the more words they use the less you know there position. Even on clear simple moral issues. I say get rid of the squimers once and for all.

Peter O

Tinsldr2
Yes Sweden has high taxes and they get large benefits for those taxes. If you want low taxes, you aren't going to like Sweden. If you like "free education," a universal world class health care system, etc you'll like Sweden.

Freedom? Again it depends. Hong Kong and Singapore have more economic freedom--but much less political freedom. In almost all aspects of political and social freedom, Taiwan is equal to the US. The US has more economic freedom though. The US is more dangerous than many other places. It just all depends on your standards of what makes a country the greatest in terms of "livable." If you use the UNHDI the US doesn't even make the top ten. As for most livable cities, a US city didn't come in until #27. Taipei comes in at #83 and Kaohsiung at #103--personally I like Kaohsiung much better than Taipei. China's first city comes in at 100 (Shanghai of course) and Japan's at 35 (Tokyo--again of course). Singapore is at 34. Hong Kong is 70. Canada #3 with Vancouver. Toronto at #15; Ottawa at #18; Montreal at #22; Calgary at #24 all come in above the US' first mention of Honolulu at #27. The big city here of Atlanta is at #66.


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Good article Pat
GOP is doomed unless it tries to go beyond the fundy nutter fringe.

Goldilocks--Part I
Are you mad? First, the act was in 1965. Second, the 1924 Act banned--you understand that word? Banned? Most of the planet from immigration to the US--including those from its own colonies--e.g. the Philippines.

Third, actual data show Hispanics are assimilating. Are illegal aliens? Probably not, but neither are your white collar American workers in Shanghai. They, like the illegal Mexican workers will one day return to their home country. But second generation Hispanics are assimilating. Go and read the data sheets at pewhispanic.org sometime.


Pete
In response to your mentioning start another party, please see my earlier post at 10:09.

Goldilocks Part II
"1920's and extended to the people of every country on earth the equal right to immigrate to the US."

This is just pure tripe. Like me to list you the people from which countries could not immigrate? It barred all persons from Japan, China, the Philippines, Laos, Siam (Thailand), Cambodia, Korea (part of Japan at the time), Vietnam (part of French Indochina) Indonesia, (The NEI) Burma , India, Ceylon--all of which were part of the British Empire, Turkey, and the Malay colonies (part of the British Empire).

Based on the Naturalization Act of 1790 all non-whites, were ineligible for naturalization and the 1924 act forbade further immigration of any persons ineligible to be naturalized.

Since the law was pushed by the KKK and other racists like Madison Grant, supporting such a law by prima facie evidence makes you like them at least a bigot if not a full-blown racist. Chinese weren't allow to legally immigrate until 1942--being an ally and all, be bad form to keep them out and the first time non-whites were allowd to be naturalized. The quota was set at 50. Japanese weren't allowed to immigrate or be naturalized until 1952 with the passage of the McCarran-Walter Act. Which is why many Issei were so reluctant to renounce their ties to Japan when they were interned as they feared they would become stateless--ineglible to become US citizens and forced to renounce their Japanese citizenship. Those that refused ended up at the infamous Tule Lake.

Never claimed I was an immigrant not even disclosed what country(ies) I have citizenship in. People make many conclusions in this regard but since my race, membership in any group, or nationality(ies) are not Germane to my opinions, there is no reason I give out that information. I am my own person, not some member of a Borg-like group that control my thoughts or shape my views.

lenard and culture
Lenard I agree that those comming to Amercia need to embrace American ideals such as our work ethic, respect for our laws and desire to succeed.

However, I would put forth that most immigrant communities represent these values.

Now they may not represent the same "political" views that I hold but the basic "AMERICAN values" are the same.

By and large people come here for the opportunity and ideals this country represents not to make it like the place they come from.

Tinsldr2@yahoo.com

Catfish Keith and guns and Great Country
The right of every American to keep and bear Arms is part of what makes us great. How many other countries have that as a "right" spelled out in our Constitution?

Now we are not 'perfect' and there are many cities in America that I would not live in, but as a COUNTRY we are the greatest.

Rob

Tinsldr2@yahoo.com


The Trouble With The GOP.
The GOP has allowed the mainstream media and the entertainment to propagandize against it for years. They have offered no resistance or rebuttals.

They finally got the majority in congress and governed as Democrats. That gave talking points to the other side and fell right into their hands.

The main reasons Obama was crowned today is open primaries last year. That allowed other parties and the media to pick our candidate. John McCain was not conservative. Hardly even a Republican.

McCain could not attract the base and was no doubt a terrible candidate. He did not want to win enough to fight fire with fire. Did not want to make his Democrat friends angry.

President Bush did not govern as a conservative and turned many who voted for him away from him and the party. It is not conservatism that has failed ,it is that it has not been fully tried since Reagan.

Barack Obama was allowed to accept money from foreign sources and dwarfed the amount given to Republicans. Something like $750 million. ACORN and Soros were allowed to manipulate the election in many states.


The media covered up for Obama and he never was questioned negatively on any allegations about him,while Sarah Palin was treated like Typhoid Mary.The demonizing is continuing today and will not stop.


To Akagi and Tins
You guys seem to be arguing that we should take as many people legally as want to come- basically eradicating illegal immigration in the name of legal immigration. Can you not see that quantities and cultures matter? Would you be cool with it if 600 million Saudis or Iranians wanted to come in tomorrow? Or picture whatever bothers you most- perhaps 600 million white Mormons who will always vote Republican and have 5 kids a piece. Surely you can see that any melting pot is overwhelmed by substantial enough numbers.

Countries have the right to set their own rules. I may see other countries that I think look like a nice place to live, but I don't have the arrogance to just show up there and demand that they allow me to live there. It would be disrespectful. It should be their choice whether to let me in or not, not my right to force my way in because it's better for me personally. Furthermore, it would be beyond arrogant and downright parasitic for me to show up at the doorstep of some country and expect its citizens to pay for my health care, education, housing, etc.

Once, I was a conservative....
I was once a conservative, but I long ago abandoned that non-philosophy for libertarianism.

I have deep sympathy for those conservatives who think conservatism means smaller, less intrusive government. Wake up! Conservatives want no such thing. They want a gigantic, bloated central government, just like liberals. They just want a slight difference in the window dressing.

George W. Bush managed to increase spending faster than Bill Clinton. And he had an allegedly conservative Republican majority for four of his eight years in office.

As far as the Republican Party sinking beneath the waves, I say good riddance! Since its inception under the tyrant Lincoln, the Republican Party has always been the party of central government tyranny.

I have been posting this whole election year, telling conservatives to abandon the Republicans and support the Libertarian Party, Ron Paul, or the Constitution Party.

The Conservative Slayer
The guy who appears to be in the last throes of his pathethic life today (Teddy Kennedy) is the guy who almost single handedly slayed conservatives and the Republican party. He lost many battles nationally over the last 40 plus years but he remains victorious in the end because of his immigration legislation begun in 1960's and continued through this day. He didn't win by changing the minds of the people, but rather by changing the makeup of the people themselves. Sort of like when FDR was having some of his legislation held up by the supreme court he tried to expand the size of the court with newbies inclined to support his vision of America and the economy.

The messiah may very well have won this year's election even without the help of our increasing diversity, but no doubt this tidal waving dynamic will forever freeze out conservatives in future national elections barring some complete meltdown of our country. Game over, Teddy Kennedy wins for good just as he is about to exit the stage.


Paolo
Please don't associate conservatism with George Bush. They have nothing in common. You play the same game as the libs in analyzing the failures of the Bush administration (particularly domestic policy) and heaping it on conservatism simply because he is a Republican President. Conservatism has not failed simply because it has rarely been practiced for a long long time.

More rubbish from Buchanan...
The Republican party will win again, as the Democratic party has won this time around - not by becoming popular again, but by the party in power becoming unpopular. Forget those stupid demographics and statistics. What happened to the Republicans? George W. Bush is what happened to them and they learn no lessons from it. They are too wedded to their particular special interests to change anything for the good.

Kgregt
"You guys seem to be arguing that we should take as many people legally as want to come."

Never said this once. But I do oppose banning from immigrating to the USand becoming citizens based on their race which was what the 1924 law did and our resident Klan girl Goldilocks supports.

Sammy:

It was not Kennedy's bill but sponsored by Representative Emanuel Celler (D-NY) and Senator Philip Hart (D-MI) thus why often known as the Celler-Hart Act. Kenndy was a strong supporter, but not his bill.


He's mostly right, as frightening as ...
... that is.

This statement, however:
"Democrats also control [...] every state House chamber"

is false. Repubs control both congressional houses in TN, although the governor is a Dem.

Apparently, Not Brain Surgery !

It's The Economy Again Stupid !

While The Neoconservatives' Frontman McCain Was A Serial Traitor to Conservatism and The Republican Agenda,he went ahead by two points after he picked Sarah Palin and The Convention.

Then McCain delivered his Self Inflicted Death Blow by opposing The Rebel Republicans and voting for The Bailout Scam.

He could have abstained,or voted Nay,or voted with Protest but he chose to vote Yay.

80 Percent of Americans were opposed to That Bailout Scam and he gave Americans No alternative to Obama's Yay Vote.

It was at that point that the margin he needed to win "Fell Off The Sled".

Ya Can't Beat Nothin' with Nothin',so Voters Voted For Change,even when Obama Is Chump Change


Anyone
notice the current begging letters from the GOP
are no longer postage paid..wonder why? Hmmmm???
I returned one the other day and put a stamp on it because I wanted them to know they were getting and Obama..a ZERO in the money column.
And I told them why. They may not read my comments scrawled across their lying screed but
they can read where the money isn't. Got another today with Sam Brownbacks letter for the
Senate..like yeah right, the ones that sandbagged us from the get go. Got the same thing, and told them don't call me, I will call them. Worth the cost of a stamp.
The base of the party is alive and well, otherwise SARAH wouldn't have touched so many hearts. I think one of the posters is correct, he was broken in Vietnam and has a need to
be accepted or whatever..like the Stockholm Syndrome. I don't think he really wanted to win.
Also, anyone recall that Christy Tood Whitman,
that elite snob was reported to have said they the GOP suits of the Rockerfellar wing had to get rid of the conservatives. I don't have the quote exactly but I think someone can find it.
They didn't need to get rid of us we dumped them and they lost.

Tim in PA - Way to go!
Few posts have explained the tail end of the recent election as well as yours.

Of course, if we added all the other reasons for not being overjoyed at the selection by party leaders of John McCain as the GOP candidate de jour, we would run out of space on this thread.

Thanks for the post.

RickV404 - Bush gets too much credit
George W. did not invent or create disaster that became the Republican party. He did contribute to it with his spending, his disdain for public opinion and his inexplicable love and devotion to anything foreign and Hispanic.

The Republican party was hi-jacked by conservative democrats. I have to explain - conservative only when compared to the likes of Kennedy, Kerry, Reid, Pelosi, Murtha, etc. Those democrats who were not thrilled with the Democrat party saw the rise of the GOP across the nation as an opportunity to gain power. By leaving the Democrats and switching over to the GOP they were able to take control. Once in power they move the GOP to the left making it only slightly less liberal than the 'real' Democrat party. These new R.I.N.O.s have been called neo-conservatives, but in fact were never conservative. Why and how we stood by and let it happen I don't know.

But our problems are now so much greater than just losing control of the party. The Communists took over in Russia and it took 70 years for the effects to render the Soviet Union recongnized as a failed system. I fear now how long it will take us to regain control of the United States. With all the hoopla today over the 'coronation' of our new king, it is easy for many people to overlook the fact that Obama is, after all, a committed Marxist. He will make himself look like a lot of things, but he will not change his core beliefs.

And now we have no party to fight back from.

Sad to say Sammy is probably right.
If we can't get together with a new and this time clearly conservative party in which we can fight back, it will be a very long and unahppy time until America is again free and independent.

It is next to impossible to beat an imperial government which controls all money, all means of production, the military and leaders who do not subscribe to American standards of honesty, responsibility and self-reliance. It is too easy to simply sit around waiting with one's hand out for the government to fill it.

further evidence
edna eagle:

Old Glory
If you're planning to fly tour American Flag upside down as a signal of an American in distress I wanted to give you a heads up...

After reading a couple of articles and getting a hold of a few friends in law enforcement I would recommend against it. The KKK has stated that they were going to show their dissent for the PEBO in that way. The officers I spoke with were briefed to stop it.

May I suggest you fly OLD GLORY at half staff instead.

Keep fighting on..I'm gone NO Media after 8 am for me...too depressing
Edna


So if there were any doubts as to why the GOP is in decline I think this sums it up nicely:
the "base" symbolized by Edna Eagle and the KKK are both sticking to anger and ignorance together it seems in concert with the "shared mind" idea of flying the flag upside down on the inauguration of the first Black President of the USA. If you wonder why your base is shrinking there's your answer: a base that most are beginning to associate as KKK like or at least sympathizers to will surely ensure no new memberships to come, and of course the simple truth that stupidity and inbreeding will eventually ensure the shrinking of the current base.

Jeez, what a bunch of ugliness and further evidence as to why the right will be smaller and more "regional" to come

any guesses on when ,,,,,
the nonstop obamathon will be over , hell if i have to watch shepherd smith pee his panties over his boy Obama one more time I will puke !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know the good news will now be allowed on tv news so Im glad about that as they have basically scared the sh#t out of every single american to set it up as roses and rainbows for when there leader gets into office , well he is in so let the positive news start already damn it .

but I wonder how long shepherd can possibly run his nonstop peeathon over his boy ?

I think he should just ask him out on a date and get it over with already

Peter O

kudos
to tinsldr (spelling?) for posting his reasoned dissent against Obama without descending into racism and puerile emotions. While I am an Obama supporter, I can understand and reasonably discuss your points. Contrast that with Edna Eagle's KKK protest and Goldilocks's calls for race wars.. I knew there were good conservatives out here somewhere : )

the party is over
Cubsfan pointsd out that we "must stop amnesty." Had we done this in 2001 or 2002 (which we had very good grounds for due to national security) we might have had a chance to stabilize things and allow new immigrants to come to an "American Identity." Now it is too late.

California will never vote for a conservative Republican president -- even though that is where Reagan was governor. Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Texas and Arizona are not too far from where California was about 20 years ago. Those states can be kissed goodbye. A conservative Republican cannot be elected president -- a leftwing Republican is worthless to me.

Bush gave away a few key Republican issues: (1) fiscal responsibility ($2,000,000,000,000 on Iraq), (2) military competency ("mission accomplished," abu ghareb, blackwater, etc), (3) corruption (no bid contracts for example) and accountability (fire the adviser who suggests Iraq could cost $100,000,000,000 -- call people traitors for questioning policy).

Also, the Bush ideas that there are jobs Americans will not perform, and the fact that Bin Laden "does not matter" -- are so disturbing. Bin Laden is still making speeches -- he is still around. My God, we got Hilter (whose military invented rocket and jet warfare) in under 3 1/2 years -- but we can't defeat Bin Laden in 7 years?

Congratulations President Obama ...
Best wishes to you and your family ...

from ...

USPatriot56

what can be done?
Probably the only thing that can be done is for conservatives to all join the Democratic party. If done effectively, it is possible to win some elections. I have not yet done this myself. Had Bush actually had a conservative agenda, we could have (1) cut immigration to reasonable numbers (we had little immigration between 1920 and 1960 -- it did not "destroy" America) and try to encourage assimilation), (2) gotten rid of quotas and campus political correctness so that a Duke lacrosse prosecution would never again happen, (3) made our criminal justice system concentrate on prosecuting violent criminals rather than "drug offenders," (4) have an educational system that would emphasize equal rights instead of "special rights."

We did none of these things.

Outstanding article!
Five stars

Akagi
I know full well it's the Immigration Act of 1965, that was a typo.

I have never said that I supported the National Origins Act. I contradicted what you said about the Immigration Act of 1965 having no significance. I said it was the most far-reaching legislative enactments in our nation's history. And it was. You are a liar or either ignorant. Furthermore, America has every right to decide who can come here, and who cannot.
What is troubling about the act of 1965 is that it was misrepresented in Congress (I've read all the transcripts) and the American people never had a say in whether or not they wanted their country to be over-run with millions of uneducated, third worlders.

Why is it every country on earth---China, Japan, Africa, etc. every country except American and other western countries have the right to decide their immigration laws without being called racist, or KKK members? You say you're not a Borg--surprise, surprise, everything you say about immigration is a carbon copy of every single American hating Leftist (and many conservatives) in this country. You may as well be their mouth piece. There is nothing original about your thinking. You're nothing but a clone. Your thought process isn't sophisticated enough to understand the truth---that America has the moral right to control immigration on the basis of its own cultural, and environmental, self-preservation. You don't like it---TOUGH.

Akagi say (A LOT ABOUT A LOT)
Sir/Ms Akagi U are obviously an extremely well-educated, articulate and some might say verbose
individual..Having said that I wonder if you, to use an old *GI* term, are "SpringLoaded to the B^ll-Sh1t Position" or if U love to argue ANY side of a given debate..
I do doubt that U ARE an immigrant..most Immigrants that I know, MANY, seem to be a TAD
(does that word translate for U) more appreciative and less hostile to AMERICA than U sometimes appear to be JUST A THOUGHT..CHEERS

Being Pessimistic
I think an era is setting in where Republicans will be too weak to win anything, let aalone the presidency, for decades, unless Obama or some other liberals have the schools and the media, they get their message out and get the message to people while they're still children.

Republicans are too cowardly to do anything about it, most will just sit back and complain at the TV while the Democrats send America to hell in a handbasket as everyone cheers them on.

Roy !

Akagi comes from Taiwan and he ain't on TAD.

You sound a tad BS'y , yourself.

One look at
John McCain and you know that republicans enjoy being the towel boys in the democrat latrine.

TIMPa
Thx for info..Yeah, My Wife ,who is herself an immigrant, would probably describe me in that manner..Have a good day!!

Roy !

You're a good sport.

I admire that and take back my snotty remark.

You deserve a good day ,as well.

Akagi
You've been busy posting nonsense all over this thread.

You wouldn't know what a "racist" is if Dr. Pierce himself kicked you in the @ss.

Hell, you can't even use the term properly, so you obviously don't know the meaning of the term.

By the way, Japan is one of the most "racist" countries in the world.

Ryan
Look up Madison Grant and if you don't think he was a racist, you don't know the meaning of the term. One of his major books was "The Passing of the Great Race" meaning the white race. He not only supported the 1924 National Origins Act which yes was racist and heavily pushed by the Second Klan (I guess they were not racist either) but also anti-miscegenation laws which were struck down in 1967 in Loving v. Virginia. His works became part of what has been called scientific racism. So to say he was not a racist show us all how little you actually know. My advice to you--research first, type later because to do the reverse makes you look like the idiot that you are. In fact, his idiotic "Nordic Theory" that he pushed in "The Great Race" differs little from our friend Goldilocks in which he like her felt Nordics were being inudated by lesser races which is not unlike her claim that immigration was destroying the white race.

I can't say if Japan is the MOST racist society on earth, but it indeed is a racist society--something that is going to hurt it very badly in the long run as the Yamato-centric worldview won't allow them to say start importing people via immigration, because by the middle of the next century their population will be smaller than Taiwan's. Today in rural Japan entire villages are devoid of anyone younger than middle age. The economic crisis of the 1990s, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Pacific War...all will look like garden parties to the diaster that is heading Japan's way.

Goldilocks
Most immigrants are not from the "Third World" as I pointed out to you of the top ten countries that send immigrants to the US only four can be considered what people used to call the Third World (a term not long in favor I might add). Two are fully developed (and another is a point of debate as if it is fully developed or still a NIC) and the remaining three (or two) are NICs. Due to the cost of immigrating--fees and proof of support--immigrants are at least middle class and many are above that. The two top professions of Taiwanese immigrants are: college professor and business-owner.

As for not liking it. It is you that doesn't like it. Preference-based immigration is the law, dear and that ain't going to change. So tough! As for your claim of not supporting the National Origins Act, that is a lie. Like me to re-post your support for that law? You said "The Act eliminated the restrictive national origins quota that had governed immigration policy since the 1920's..." Now since you are so critical of the Celler-Hart Act. Why would you post that as a criticism of the law if you didn't support those national origin quotas? If you aren't a bigot or a racist, why call Obama's election "white displacement." It's okay to be a racist or a bigot--there are millions of you worldwide, but at least be honest and admit it.

Buchanan nails it
The fact remains, as Buchanan points out, that the GOP simply cannot compete in today's America. The GOP appeals to old white men in dixie, which explains the nativism, racism, homophobia and a world view crafted out of flyover country.

Check the birth rate data of this nation: 50% of all births in the USA are to NON WHITE children. These are U.S. citizens, thank-you-very-much 14th amendment. Add to the birth data the generous LEGAL (LEGAL!) immigration system, which hands out 1,000,000 green cards each and every year, almost exclusively to folks from Latin America and Asia (about 10% go to Europeans, mostly from Russia, Ukraine and the former Yugoslavia). So, we have a legal system that bestows citizenship to everyone born in the USA combined with a wonderful LEGAL immigration system (thank you Ted Kennedy for your leadership on this issue in 1965) which is changing the face of the nation. At the other end, the national data for deaths, whites make up close to 90% of all those who die. This is, of course, due to the fact that 70 and 80 years ago, 90% of the USA was white.

The bottom line is that the GOP will need to learn how to "play well with others," or it will die. There are simply no alternatives, and either outcome will benefit the nation.

Things are looking pretty bad out there....fo' a righty!!!!!!

why is this bad?
In the past, even though immigrants came from countries that spoke different languages, there was a national will to assimilate. Consequently, you have people like my wife who is Italian, German, Irish, Ukrainian, Scots and English. I think America will be sort of like the Indian Subcontinent in 1945 or a large version of Yugoslavia of 1990. That is, there will be an eventual break-up, and the break-up will be ugly.
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