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Tuesday, November 25, 2008
Pat Buchanan :: Townhall.com Columnist
Meeting Medvedev Halfway
by Pat Buchanan
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The morning after Barack Obama's election, the congratulatory message from Moscow was in the chilliest tradition of the Cold War.

"I hope for constructive dialogue with you," said Russia's president, "based on trust and considering each other's interests."

Dmitry Medvedev went on that day, in his first State of the Union, to charge America with fomenting the Russia-Georgia war and said he has been "forced" to put Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad to counter the U.S. missile shield President Bush pledged to Poland.

Medvedev had painted Obama into a corner. No new American president can be seen as backing down from a Russian challenge.

Three days later, Polish President Lech Kaczynski tried to box Barack in. His office declared that, during a phone conversation with Kaczynski, Obama had promised to deploy the anti-missile missiles.

Obama foreign policy adviser Denis McDonough denied it.

One week later, however, Medvedev wisely walked the cat back.

During the G-20 summit in Washington, he told the Council on Foreign Relations the issue of Russian missiles in Kaliningrad "is not closed. I am personally ready to discuss it, and I hope that the new president and the new administration will have the will to discuss it."

President-elect Obama should not let this opportunity slip by, for a second signal came last week that Russia does not want the Cold War II that the departing neocons wish to leave on his plate.

Moscow offered Spain and Germany use of Russian territory to supply NATO troops in Afghanistan. As our supply line from the Pakistani port of Karachi through the Khyber Pass to Kabul grows perilous, this has to be seen as a gesture of friendship by a Russia that shares, as a fellow victim of Islamic terror, the U.S. detestation of al-Qaida.

Opportunity also presents itself with the official report of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe on the August war. According to The New York Times, the OSCE found, consistent with Moscow's claims, that Georgia "attacked the isolated separatist capital of Tskhinvali on Aug. 7 with indiscriminate artillery and rocket fire, exposing civilians, Russian peacekeepers and unarmed monitors to harm."

Russia's response -- running the Georgian Army out of South Ossetia, occupying Abkhazia and recognizing both as independent nations -- may seem disproportionate and excessive. But, contrary to John ("We are all Georgians now!") McCain, Moscow has a compelling case that Georgia's Mikhail Saakashvili started the fire.

Medvedev is now on a four-nation Latin tour with stops in Hugo Chavez's Venezuela and Fidel Castro's Cuba. But this seems more like diplomatic tit-for-tat for high-profile U.S. visits to Tbilisi and other ex-Soviet republics than laying the groundwork for some anti-American alliance.

For, just as for Washington the relationship with Moscow is far more crucial than any tie to Tbilisi, so Moscow's tie to Washington is surely far more crucial to Russia than any tie to Caracas or Havana.

With these opening moves, how might Obama test the water for a better relationship with the Russia of Medvedev and Vladimir Putin?

First, Obama should restate his campaign position that no anti-missile system will be deployed in Poland until fully tested.

Second, he should declare that, as this system is designed to defend against an Iranian ICBM with a nuclear warhead, it will not be deployed until Iran has tested an ICBM and an atomic device.

So long as the Iranian threat remains potential, not actual, there is no need to deploy a U.S. missile defense in Poland against it.

Third, he should invite Medvedev to Camp David to discuss what more they might do together to ensure that no such Iranian threat, to either nation, ever materializes. For if Iran does not test an ICBM or atomic device, what is the need for a missile defense in East Europe?

Fourth, invoking the principle of self-determination, Obama might propose a plebiscite in Georgia and Abkhazia to determine if these people wish to return to Tbilisi's rule.

The second bone of contention between us is prospective NATO membership for Georgia and Ukraine.

As NATO is a military alliance, at the heart of which is Article V, which obligates every ally to come to the defense of a member who is attacked, to bring Georgia in would be madness.

To cede to Saakashvili power to bring us into confrontation with Russia would be to rival British stupidity in giving Polish colonels power to drag the empire into war with Germany over Danzig, which is exactly what the Polish colonels proceeded to do in 1939.

Before the NATO summit next week, Obama should signal to NATO, and the Bush administration, that nothing irreversible should be done to put Ukraine or Georgia on a path to membership.

First, because the president-elect will decide himself about new war guarantees in Eastern Europe or the Caucasus. Second, because these are matters to be taken up at a Medvedev-Obama summit, not foreclosed for him by neocons now trooping home to their think tanks.

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Please sign 2 petitions—Obama citizen?

I know this is off topic but....

World Net Daily created a petition last week to force Barack Obama to provide an original birth certificate that he was actually born in Hawaii. His African grandmother says she was present at his birth in Kenya. If that’s true, it is illegal for him to have run for the presidency. We as U.S. citizens are required to provide our original birth certificate to get a Social Security card, a driver’s license or a passport. So he should have been required to produce the same to have run for the presidency.

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Secretary of State.
Pat Buchanan, you are a realist. Your suggestions are of absolute neccessity, according to my, or any sane person's, read of history.

In fact, the entire "read" of history, in the matter of Russia, got started in the wrong direction, as far as America's interests are concerned, right from the beginning. Russia has had only one desire, since 1700: that desire is to be part Western Civilization. England and France, as well as others, were always against that desire.

I realize this might be too deep for most of us, but that is the truth, and the historical fact, of the matter.

Thank You Mr. Buchanon
A ray of sunshine! I would even go so far as to say we need to put missles on US soil to protect the Atlantic and Pacific borders and worry less about US missles on foreign soil.

We are not all Georgians!

If China or Russia made ....
a deal to place missles immediately outside of our borders I am banking that Europeans would snicker and have an aire of satisfaction.
America out of Europe now .... let the Russians and Islamics use them as slave labor.
What is the advantage to the average American that treasure and children are spent defending a bunch of atheists from another bunch of atheists and religious whack jobs?
How humanitarian is it? Let the Russians and Chinese have a ggod time trying to manage the world with brute force .... maybe they know something we don't.

Bravo, Mr. Buchanan!
Bravo, Mr. Buchanan!
I would like to specially emphasize the absence of wild rhetoric, absence of “Obama derangement syndrome”, in the above article. Evidently, Mr. Buchanan did not vote for Obama, but recognizes Obama as lawful President-elect of our beloved Republic.

Another five star column by Pat
It will be interesting to see how long the junior neocons here drive it down to two stars.

Michael from AR,

I see you are a student of Peter the Great. What you write is unfortunately, all too true.

I'm afraid that Pat may be wrong on one point. I don't think the neocons are going to be leaving, not with Rahm Emanuel as Obama's chief of staff.

Meeting Medvedev Halfway
It sure sounds like your party dues are paid up to date Comrade Buchanan. Are you in such a funk because of the election that you are into hero worship of a supposed "strongman" Russian government. In your fourth tenet, you accuse Poland of being responsible for WWII and call the British stupid for supporting the Poles because of Gdansk. Isn't it bad enough that you are in the tank for the Russians, now you want to be an historical apologist for the Nazi regime. I'm surprised that you don't call the Russians' Latin American tour a cigar and banana shopping trip. Are you longing for the good old Warsaw Pact days? I didn't know that the Russians had lobbyists? Are you registered?
You really were in Reagan's White House?

That's right, Florida
Obama will be the next president, starting January 20, and it's in all our best interests as Americans that he do a good job. Even most of us who didn't vote for him agree with that. Maybe he'll start by asking the Russians what possible objection they could have to a defensive missile system in Poland.

John
Pssst! The Cold War has been over since 1990, unless the folks you like so much start another one over something equally stupid, be it Georgia or those missiles in Poland.

Sounds like a common sense idea.
Why not hold off on the ABM system until the Iranians start missle tests and nuclear tests that prove their intentions? It wouldn't take very long to install those systems.

West and Russia
Would USA concede California and Texas to Mexic, because of a positive referendum sometimes in the future - referendum supposingly won by Latinos ?
Because this is exactely Moscow's policy:
-set eyes on a teritory
-use any means to depopulate / exile the native population
-re-populate with Russian ppl
-organize a "free" referendum to "recognize" the new entity.

Sounds familiar ??

Apart from this, ALL Western "experts" / historians / analysts - usually don't have a clue about Mosccow's intensions and long-term plans. And this is so because the Western "education" system only seeds confusion and kills the free thinking.
When Russia has a problem, they tend to solve it.
When the West has a problem, they only look for standards and regulations.
This is not the way to understand / confront Russia - and be sure, THERE IS confrontation. Only too many of you are not "educated" to realize it.
Sleep deep, America.

Hey Florida Resident....
hate to break it to you...but the SCOTUS goes to conference on Dec. 5th on the issue of Obama's birth certificate. He is NOT the President yet as the electoral college votes have NOT been awarded to him, and if found NOT to be QUALIFIED by birth right as a U.S. citizen, he would HAVE to step down as President-elect. So hang on, there could be forthcoming a constitutional crisis as has NOT been seen in this country EVER.

Once again, Pat makes sense in foreign diplomacy...Russia is a nation that must be dealt with firmly, but fairly. Regardless of what libtards and globalists think, Russia takes SERIOUSLY its proverbial sphere of influence, and Georgia and Ukraine are in that sphere. Perhaps the best option for Georgia and Ukraine would be to remain neutral, not join NATO or link with the former Soviet Union.

Squandered
There is no doubt we squandered an opportunity to reconcile with Russia in the period after the wall fell. We persist in our arrogant approach to diplomacy with them and we play around with actionable threats on their border. Russia is now cozying up to Venezuela on our doorstep and I resent it but I understand their desire to demonstrate how we effect them in Europe. Pat says we can wait until Iran tests a nuclear weapon to react with a nuclear shield. Really? When and where did Israel do any nuclear testing and yet it is reported they have 400 nuclear warheads? No one questions Israel is nuclear capable. All it takes is one good nuclear capable friend to pass proven design technology and testing becomes a moot requirement.

deployment timeframe
somebody said it would not take long to deploy a "fully-tested" ABM system.
Sorry,but that is not the case.It takes time to write contracts,solicit bids,manufacture the systems,construct the sites,and install and test.We have already been testing ABM,and it's now good enough to deploy.Many if not most military combat systems have been deployed without "fully-testing" them.

BTW,Iran has already been testing SCUD launches from container ships and detonating at -high altitudes-,which is useless for conventional warheads but solely for generating an EMP.Such a launch over the CONUS will set us back to a 19th century standard of living,and many people would starve.No food distribution,no electricity,no rail transport.

I'm not
worried about that old story the WSJ decided to recycle about EMPs. Nobody needs to do that. The last three administrations and quite possibly the next one have done more to destroy this country than all of America's enemies put together as this financial mess shows. It was created on their watches. If the WSJ is really worried about this, they would demand that the ABM site to be built in Poland be built in Iowa instead. This is nothing but neocon fear mongering.

Walk Softly
but carry a BIG STICK!!!

I am so frustrated that I have been on edge and yelling when my children do stupid children things that don't require yelling.

This is killing me.
The cold war over?
Who said?
Russia?
Give me a break. Are you retarded? They are NOT our friends. Sure. A lot of their people like our way of life, but who doesn't when you live without freedomes?
I get sick in my stomach every time I see these poor fools just vomiting up the propaganda that they have been so carefully fed by the SUPER BIASED CRIMINALLY CORRUPT MEDIA.
I need to go pray again...

Buchanan is only half right
We have no reason to be talking to the Russians they have nothing we need or want. We should pull out of Europe which is a dying culture which will only pull down what is left of the USA. I suspect we will not have much choice anyway since Obama domestic spending plan will make it totally impossible to maintain our present military. In two years it is doubtfull that we will be able to afford a military a third the size of our present forces. The Navy will have to be cut by 75% the Air Force by 80% and the Army will be down to the same.

Aimee/1
"I am so frustrated that I have been on edge and yelling when my children do stupid children things that don't require yelling."

Try growing up yourself.

"The cold war over?"

Yes. I know it hurts, but you'll get over it, I already have. When the Soviet Army left Eastern Europe they abandon huge ammunition supply points and a number of petroleum, oil and lubricant points as well. Yeah, they are a real threat. Here it was during the repulse of Georgia's stupid invasion of S. Ossetia you could see that the Russians were using vehicles that date back to the 70s and 80s. There were even old T-62s from the 60s and some T-55s from the fifties.

"Who said?"

What are you, some Jap who has been hiding out on an island somewhere since 1945? It was common knowledge among the participates that it was over. Bankruptcy tends to end hostile actions and the USSR was bankrupt, kind of like the US today.

"Give me a break. Are you retarded? They are NOT our friends. Sure. A lot of their people like our way of life, but who doesn't when you live without freedomes?"

Who said anything about them being friends? They are like any other nation, that not only looks after its own interest, but knows when it has shared interests with others, in this case the US. To put it another way, there are no friendships, only shared interests.


Aimee/2
"I get sick in my stomach every time I see these poor fools just vomiting up the propaganda that they have been so carefully fed by the SUPER BIASED CRIMINALLY CORRUPT MEDIA."

This is a hoot. You mean Fox and talk radio and the Wall Street Journal editorial page? I can add CNN as well. No, some of us know how to use the Internet to find other sources of information instead of simply relying on the "new media" or the MSM.

"I need to go pray again..."

Good idea. Pray that the idiots we have "leading" this country don't do anything stupid. The US has enough problems without screwing around in the "near abroad".

I know you aren't arguing from Golytsin's point of view that what is going on today is maskirovka, no, this crap comes straight out of neocon talk radio. Turn it off and do some reading for a change. You won't feel so stupid when you are shown up as an ignorant fool.

dsslm
The State of Hawai'i seems to have a different opinion. Keep up this fantasy as it makes you look either stupid or insane or perhaps both.

Obama is a US citizen, and elected president of the United States. Time to get over "he ain't a citizen" and come out of the fever swamp and rejoin planet reality.

So if he was born in Kenya, how do you think he got out of Kenya and into the US and have the State of Hawai'i then certify his birth certificate (yes, certificate of live birth is what Hawai'i calls its birth certificate)within 4 days of his birth and the same time he was in Washington State with his mother visiting relatives. So the hospital and the state engaged in this conspiracy? And why would they do that?

You hear black helicopters at night too, don't you?

Others manipulating our foreign policy?
We'd all agree that it would be an idiotic idea.

Yet that is precisely what would happen if we permit these strutting perfumed princes that control many former Soviet republics(now NATOized)to provoke the Russian bear, and force us to militarily respond against any Russian retaliation to their provocations.

Whatever happened to the antiquated idea of national sovereignty?

Faux conservatives, with their snouts deeply immersed in the neocon trough, swigging on its noxious swill, would have this nation confront Russia over what these strutting perfumed princes can manipulate on foreign affairs(See Georgia).

I think Obama has enough intelligence and judgment(unlike our current president)to comprehend the implications attendant to placing these nations under the NATO umbrella.

Buchanan is correct, as usual.


Silver Lion
Want to wager the odds of the court actually granting the petition for writ of certiorari? Few are ever granted and sure any fool can appeal the appellate court's decision to the SCOTUS but doesn't mean it will grant the writ does it? It grants what .2% of all petitions?

Yeah, keep hope alive! LMAO!


I serious doubt Obama
has the sense not to get us involved in farther foreign entanglements. Certainly his comments about having the US military invade Pakistan does not lead one to think he would be more carefull about miss-useing the military than Bush was. In fact history shows that liberal presidents LBJ, Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Bush have a long record of military intervention.

PJB needs his head moved out his rectum
First, waiting until Iran has nukes and ICBMs to install a missile defense system is like shutting the barn door after the horse has gotten out.

Second, Russia is supplying Iran with nuclear material and is one of their trade partners. I guess he believes like Obama did that the UN Security Council should do something about the situation...Russia will act in its own self interest and part of that self interest is the nation's status in the world community. Part of that status comes from tweaking the nose of the US when it comes to things that the US wants, like a Iran with no nukes.

Bringing the Ukraine & Georgia into NATO is not 100% detrimental nor 100% beneficial. Its a mix, yes it has the potential of bringing us into conflict with Russia, but our dealing with Taiwan have the same risk with China. Conversely it also blunts aggressive tendencies of those nations by the very real threat of war with with the US, where they might otherwise invade with little reservation. The risk of war is a two way street. Can you honestly say Russia would have done what it did if Georgia were a member of NATO?



Neo-cons!
So what is the deal on neo-cons? According to the Buchannan gospel, neo-cons are responsible for pretty much everything that has gone wrong or is going wrong. Just exactly what is the neo-con agenda?

Why did Iran give the hostages back?
Before you cry "non-sequitor", please entertain me a moment. Did Iran release the hostages so soon after Reagan was elected because Reagan agreed to a "live and let-live" policy? No, that was Carter's stance. Was it because of the passive nature of the incoming administration, and their willingness to negotiate with opposing world powers? No. I believe it was because they were deathly afraid that he would push the button and melt them if they didn't comply.

And why did the wall come down? I say it's the same reason.

Mr. Buchanan, I'm sorry I ever supported you. Your articles have become more and more anti-American rhetoric with less and less substance.

rdk same as anyother liberal
big government big business solutions to ever problem. Neo-Con is just a liberal who uses conervative words to hide their liberal agenda. Perfect examples are Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama.

Michael 3:57 am
"Russia has had only one desire, since 1700: that desire is to be part Western Civilization"

Ummm... what??!?? Peter the "Great"? Stalin? Lenin? On and on, Russia HAS, in fact, demonstrated one desire since 1700: world domination at the cost of as many lives as it takes through military dominance, re-education, de-population, and whatever other means necessary.

MESSAGE FROM THE FRONT
Don’t even waste your time on these liberal commentators. They’re only here to troll and bait you into an argument. They know this is a conservative web site; they’re not here to open their minds or expand their horizons. If I wanted to hear liberal dribble I could:
1) Watch network news
2) Read a newspaper
3) Watch a movie
4) Watch a TV sitcom
5) Talk to a Hollywood actor or actress
6) Talk to a recording artist
7) Talk to a public school teacher
8) Talk to a university faculty member
9) Talk to a public school student (grades k-12 brain washed by teachers)
10) Talk to a college student (brain washed by faculty)
11) Wait for Thanksgiving dinner with my family
http://stopthepresses2.blogspot.com

Phanerosis... You are on target !!!

Patrick has joined "The Messianic"...

These folks believe their (repeatedly failed) thoughts are in some way still - Magical.

Their minds stir-up thoughts something along the lines of a Cotton Candy machine whipping up a ball of fluff.




Ok Akagi.......it's a simple.....
solution to the pending dilemna....Obama simply needs to provide a certificate of live birth...period. Phillip Berg in Philadelphia did not have the adequate "standing" to proceed forward as an average citizen, however, PRESIDENTIAL candidate Alan Keyes of the Independent Party DOES have the "standing" as a presidential candidate and has filed the same argument already. SCOTUS has AGREED to go to CONFERENCE on Dec. 5th on this very issue. CONFERENCES are ALSO very rare to get approved as well. So, we will see what happens.

If four of the nine justices AGREE that this issue can go to a full hearing, lol, you will hear much more in the near term....yes indeed. Demands for proof of citizenship have been served to the Obama camp...not from so-called whackos, but from citizens with standing. This could be the biggest constitutional crisis in American history....and of course, the bloviating media is NOT reporting it.....lol..

Keep in mind the electoral college has NOT as of yet awarded ANY electoral college votes to Obama. We will see what happens.

Silver Lion
If you don't think Alan Keyes is a wacko, I don't know what to say.

OK Akagi....perhaps Keyes...
is a whacko in your humble opinion, but that so-called whacko has the reinforcement of "standing" behind him as a PRESIDENTIAL candidate in the most RECENT election....(Nov. 4)...hence, able to bring forth demands of citizenship upon the Obama camp.....The fact that SCOTUS has already AGREED to go to CONFERENCE should be very worrisome....they, like certiori, are very RARE, but, it was indeed GRANTED!

HILLARY CLINTON TO THE RESCUE
OBAMA ANSWER TO INTERNATIONAL PROBLEMS IS HILLARY CLINTON HE HAS IMPORTANT DOMESTIC MATTERS

Pat goes left!
We liberals just love Pat. Here he goes, off to the left like he came here via time machine from the 1960s. Of course, if Obama took the positions and made the moves Pat suggests, the Right would dump bile all over him, calling him a cheese-eating surrender monkey and questioning his manhood, his religion, and probably whether he wears briefs or boxers.

The Soviet...pardon me, Russia, is playing the old game with the US. It's great to see that some things are eternal. Obama and Hillary will need to get up to speed here very fast. The US should do what it can to cultivate good relations with Russia. Current Russian actions show that Communism as an ideology had little to do with many of the moves the Old Soviet Union made. Any government, possessing the landmass and resources of Russia, would have a very similar set of intersts and priorities.

Few conservatives, of ocurse, get this; most TH readers are stuck somewhere back in the 50s when the Commies were out to sap our precious bodily fluids.

Like Pat, I think global Islamism is the real threat, and I hope the Russians see it that way too, because there is a lot more of Russia cheek-by-jowl with Islam than there is of the US.

Gestell...

The enemy of my enemy is my friend :-)

Remember... the Shah of Iran... WWII Russia... Saddam Hussein vs. Iran... Taliban vs. Russia...

It's not a good idea to befriend those who absorb freedom like a box of Huggies.

Millions are usually murdered/starved as a result of touchy-feely Liberalism.

Obama's weakness in supporting freedom globally is one scary prospect for me. We'll be (hopefully) safe, but I'm very worried of what will come of the poorest of out brothers and sisters at the hands of brutal dictators.

America is suffering
America is suffering unlawful deception from the Alinsky group.
Group u$urp$ power on January 20th—the constitution violated.
The United States Supreme Court alone can relieve this outrage.

example: Bogus Selective Service System FOIA Registration?
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/exclusive_d id_n.html

reply to Carlos
The Shah of Iran was our guy, our hope for a regional hegemon to offset Soviet expansion into the Middle East. That's why we propped up this evil old dictator for a long time, with huge amounts of economic and military aid, building up his military capability so that he could be the biggest dictator on the block.

International politics is ugly, and sometimes we don't get to be morally pure in our actions. I hope Obama is intelligent enoiugh to get this, and that he does not try to run a purely moral foreign policy. We will all suffer if he does.

The US has a long tradition of supporting nasty regimes around the world. I hope we pick the right ones, if that's the only game in town.

Gestell
Gestell's comment is right on target. For example, we had to have Stalin as our "friend" in WWII. "Uncle Joe" Stalin, as decent people referred to the tyrant.

Pat's article should be copied and mailed to Senator Obama: Obama; The U.S.Senate; Washington, D.C.; 20510

(I don't know his email address.)

Perhaps Obama could keep Condi to help with Russia?

Surely, deep down, she's not one who's against our long term interests, as apparently the neocons are.

But are we to believe Dennis Ross is not a neocon? I'm getting confused about all this.

As a non-expert, I hope and pray that Barack will review our policies from A to Z, and that the same brain power attacking our fiscal disasters will also attack our foreign policy disasters. I believe we need to stand by our friend, Israel, while also helping the legitimate concerns of the Palestinians.

As for Iran and Sharia Law generally, I think as does a man who thinks like Obama (I hope): "There are no dogmas in temporal affairs. To try to set up absolute truths in matters where the individual has to try to see things from his own point of view, in terms of his own interest, his cultural preference, and his own experience: this insults the dignity of man. Any attempt to lay down dogmas in the temporal sphere leads, inevitably, to coercing the consciences of others, to a failure to respect one's neighbor" (p. xxvii, Foreward, "Christ is Passing By," HOMILIES BY JOSEMARIA ESCRIVA).

Jack David ...

Every time I ask for a definition of Neocon - I receive a different answer.

Patrick seems to believe a Neocon is anyone with even the mildest support for Jews? Others think it is a matter of projecting Military might? Still others refer to a multitude of fiscal matters (take your choice). Add Jesus in too.

Neocon is therefore a meaningless term. gibberish.

Patrick is simply using the term as a slur. He is therefore a Neocon himself.

To Carlos in MI.....
a Neo-Con is a liberal in costume as a conservative.

neoconservatism.
Neocons began as a movement of Democrats who in the 1970s began to to question the foreign policy planks of the Democrat party.

They were hawkish on foreign policy affairs, but retained the liberal ideology on social and domestic matters.

They abandoned the Democrat party in the ensuing decades.

They believe in U.S. "exceptionalism" as it pertains to foreign affairs...that our nation is imbued with "moral clarity" such that directs us to foist our values upon the rest of the world.

They fervently believe Israel must exist, and that the U.S. must be the ultimate guarantor of Israel's existence.

They further believe in preemptive use of our military to bring about the ends discussed above(foisting our values upon the world), and they generally have little use for multilateral or international organizations..thinking that our "exceptionalism" must not be constrained by such organizations.

While there may be a few aspects to neoconservativism many, including myself, endorse, the odious notion of thinking we have some historic and exceptional mission to democratize the world, using our military in such pursuit, is radically utopian, naive, presumptive, arrogant...an abomination of traditional conservatism.
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