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Friday, October 31, 2008
Pat Buchanan :: Townhall.com Columnist
Comrade Obama?
by Pat Buchanan
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If Barack Obama is not a socialist, he does the best imitation of one I've ever seen.

Under his tax plan, the top 5 percent of wage-earners have their income tax rates raised from 35 percent to 40 percent, while the bottom 40 percent of all wage-earners, who pay no income tax, are sent federal checks.

If this is not the socialist redistribution of wealth, what is it?

A steeply graduated income tax has always been the preferred weapon of the left for bringing about socialist equality. Indeed, in the "Communist Manifesto" of 1848, Karl Marx was himself among the first to call for "a heavy progressive or graduated income tax."

The Obama tax plan is pure Robin Hood class warfare: Use the tax power of the state to rob the successful and reward the faithful. Only in Sherwood Forest it was assumed the Sheriff of Nottingham and his crowd had garnered their wealth by other than honest labor.

"Spread the wealth," Barack admonished Joe the Plumber.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need," said old Karl in 1875. When Barbara West of WFTV in Orlando, Fla., put the Marx quote to Biden, however, Joe recoiled in spluttering disbelief.

West: "You may recognize this famous quote: 'From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.' That's from Karl Marx. How is Sen. Obama not being a Marxist if he intends to spread the wealth around?"

Biden: "Are you joking? Is this a joke?"

Biden's better defense, however, might have be the "Tu quoque!" retort: "You, too!" -- the time-honored counter-charge of hypocrisy.

Indeed, how do Republicans who call Obama a socialist explain their support for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, welfare and the Earned Income Tax Credit? What are these if not government-mandated transfers of wealth to the middle and working class, and the indigent and working poor?

Since August, the Bush-Paulson team has seized our biggest S&L, Washington Mutual, and largest insurance company, AIG. It has nationalized Fannie and Freddie, pumped scores of billions into our banks, bailed out GM, Ford and Chrysler, and paid the $29 billion dowry for Bear Stearns to enter its shotgun marriage with JPMorgan Chase.

And with federal, state and local taxes taking a third of gross domestic product, and government regulating businesses with wage-and-hour laws, civil rights laws, environmental laws, and occupational health and safety laws, what are we living under, if not a mixed socialist-capitalist system?

Norman Thomas is said to have quit running for president on the Socialist ticket after six campaigns because the Democratic Party had stolen all his ideas and written them into its platforms.

Did Ike repeal the New Deal? Did Richard Nixon roll back the Great Society? Nope. He funded the Great Society. Did Ronald Reagan cut federal spending? Nope, defense spending soared. Bill Clinton slashed defense, but George Bush II set social spending records with No Child Left Behind and prescription drug benefits for the elderly under Medicare. Surpluses vanished, deficits returned, the national debt almost doubled.

Is the old republic then dead and gone, in the irretrievable past? Are we engaged in an argument settled before we were born?

In his 1938 essay "The Revolution Was," Garet Garrett wrote:

"There are those who think they are holding the pass against a revolution that may be coming up the road. But they are gazing in the wrong direction. The revolution is behind them. It went by in the Night of the Depression, singing songs to freedom."

Nevertheless, there is a difference not just of degree but of kind between unemployment compensation for jobless workers, welfare for destitute families, and confiscating the income of taxpayers who earned it -- to hand out to chronic tax consumers who did not.

This last is the socialism Winston Churchill called "the philosophy of envy and gospel of greed." And it is this suggestion of socialist ideology in Obama's words that has produced the belated pause by a nation that seemed to be moving into his camp. What did Barack say in 2001?

He spoke of the inadequacy of the courts as institutions to bring about "redistributive change" in society, of the "tragedy" of the civil rights movement in losing sight of the "political and organizing activities on the ground that are able to bring about the coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change."

Normal people don't talk like that. Socialists do.

This is ideology speaking. This is the redistributionist drivel one hears from cosseted college radicals and the "Marxist professors" Obama says in his memoir he sought out at the university. It is the language of social parasites like William Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn and Father Pfleger.

Enforced egalitarianism entails the death of excellence. For it seizes the rewards that excellence earns and turns them over to politicians and bureaucrats for distribution to the mediocrities upon whose votes they depend. One need not be Ayn Rand to see that Barack has picked up from past associates utopian notions that have ever produced nightmare states.

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One of the few ...
who has a clear vision of reality and the balls to confront it.

I tried to turn things around...
in 2000 when I voted for you Pat.....just was'nt enough......sorry, I tried though....and the names I was called were flattering....lol....

Better late than never Mr. Buchanan.
How sweet that you appear now. Would that you'd shouted the name "McCain", like refrain over the past year.

Feeling the threat? He's close. Do you hear the steps that approach? It ain't Eric Blair, Mr. Buchanan and it's not any version of the utopian socialists.

He's more akin to the son of St. John Philby and therein lays the tinker and the tailor before us.

Who are the paymasters? Those that put the man into the matryoshka into the man into the matryoyshka ...?

Pan-Arabist? Pan-Islamists? Sen. Obama's links are to the anarchists and the fuse igniters. Those here and in the Middle East. We will soon learn of his passions.

This is no mere utopian Mr. Buchanan. And you're dreadfully late.

Norman Thomas also said..............

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

Path to Socialism
If you have a problem with what the Republicans have done over the past several years to spend money and grow government, you're gonna cry when Obama & Company are done with us.

I'm sorry to say it, but Obama is very fond of socialism and probably marxism as well.
He's smart enough not to come right out and admit it, but it's there between the lines.
Negative Liberty = Adam Smith
Positive Liberty = Marx
What does this have to do with Obama?
Glad you asked!

Obama complaining about our Constitution:
"...the Constitution is a document of negative liberties, says what the states can't do to you, says what the federal government can't do to you, but it doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf."

For most people, including those listening to that broadcast, the word NEGATIVE is synonymous with BAD. Obama knows this. If Obama knows anything, he knows how to choose words carefully. Obama is a constitutional scholar, and if he wanted to make the Constitution and its "negative liberties" sound like the best thing since chicken noodle soup he would have chosen different words.

For some insight, take a glance (online) at the book "Negative Liberties" by Cyrus R. K. Patell. This book, perhaps coincidentally, was released three months before Obama made his comments. Do you think Patell admires the negative liberties of the U.S. Constitution? Do Patell and Obama have similar viewpoints? Wouldn't it be nice if someone had the courage to ask Obama about this and insist on a straight answer? Wouldn't it be nice if more voters actually cared?
Everyone please study this issue more, and share your knowledge with anyone who will listen.
http://rightklik.blogspot.com/


Pat, This isn't Socialism
So now that the Republican Party is facing an electoral massacre next week, they are trotting out every buzzword they came in the hopes something will stick. I like Pat Buchanan. He is usually original and never afraid to buck the party line, but this column just rehashes the the party line that Barack Obama is a "socialist." First, a policy that seeks to re-distribute income isn't socialist, and if it, then George Bush and the Republicans are the ones pioneered over the last eight years.

Under President Bush and a Republican Congress, far from seeing a rollback in the the size of government, federal spending has exploded to pay for new entitlements, a costly war involving nation-building in Iraq (totally pointless) and in increase in discretionary spending. If Obama wants to redistribute income then it seemed he learned the virtues of it at Bush's knee.

Let's face it: both the Republican and Democrat parties are entirely corrupt, do not care what happens to this country and are willing to say and do anything to stay in power. Why do we even participate in these farces called elections? If anyone votes, vote third party. We really have no political power, but why throw away your vote -- the tiny bit of power you do have.

Besides what do the Republicans care if Obama likes big government. Bush is one of the most extravagant spendthrifts in history, and Republicans adore him. Alas, it seems politics isn't about ideas, but personality cults. May the best gangster win.

Honestly?
First, the conservative programs all derive into a pooling of funds, appropriation by legislation, and accommodation of each individual when they apply for the benefit. Some are by tax return however, and here is the catch:

Article I, Section 9, Clause 4:

"No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken."

The direct tax on based on a specific amount of income, to sieze private property merely to hand it to another citizen is unconstitutional. See this isn't actually a tax on the wealthy.

With every tax the payor gets a benefit, but here it's a direct tax irrespective of the census, and, with the sole intention of using the governments as a pass-through to another private citizen. In order for it to be a tax the payor must derive a benefit from the money paid in, otherwise it's purely theft, and absconding with another's private property. No matter how they handle it administatively the law will be illegal on its face because it's a prohibited direct tax, and not an income tax, by it's own design.

Obama needs this too so he can raise the 857 billion he wants to give to the u.n. for global poverty....hahaha Obama is such a George Soros tool!

Sorry it's just so true.

One step at a time
Obama is a communist, he is trying to sell socialism first before he changes to communism. You idiots chanted "change" all day long with Obama now you get your dream. Next time just move your worthless carcasses to a communist country of your choice so you don't screw up the US for the rest of us.

This is not Socialism
Many years ago, I worked at a polling station. I watched as the school buses pulled up and groups of men stepped off and into the polling area. They walked out one by one and re-entered the bus. Each stopped at a stack of boxes, took something out and sat on the bus. Curious, I had to look in the box. Half empty but still neatly packaged were half pints of Wild Irish Rose.
Obama's tax/bribe rebate is this election's Wild Irish Rose. A man who has never given is now using the National Treasury for his political goodie bag.
I am getting a little tired of the Obama labeling as all we need to know; we know already....Obama is out for Obama....It's that simple. We, a nation of suckers are willing to sell our country for some silly rebate and a man that says nothing and promises everything.

LEADER(S) OF THE PACK
In the 'Animal Kingdom', the 'Leader(s) of the Pack', EAT first.
And so it goes in 'Socialism'. The 'followers' wait for 'scraps' not being allowed to fend for themselves.

What is a Socialist?
“Socialism” is defined in the Merriam Webster Dictionary as follows: “1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state 3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done.”

Barack Obama is not in favor of any of the above. He simply wants to return to the somewhat higher tax rates on top earners that we had in the 1990’s. So does Warren Buffet. Is he a “socialist” too?

Why not skip the hype of always trying to pin hyperbolic labels - "Comrade" "Socialist" - on your adversaries with whom you disagree about tax rates? I guess it's just too much fun and your readers really lap it up.

What?

"A policy that seeks to redistribute income isn't socialist".

Ugh . . . Right! . . .

. . . and "Ignorance is Bliss" . . . "Freedom is Slavery" . . . "Bears do NOT s**t in the woods" . . . and "The Pope is NOT Catholic" . . .

Gee . . . thanks, "RED TOOTH", for helping this history degree holder and FORMER Trotskyist to understand what Socialism is all about.

. . . A word of advice, mate . . .
it doesn't matter if it is "Left-Wing" Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist/Trotskyist/Titoist/Castroist/Pol Potist/Ho Chi Minhist Socialism, OR "Right-Wing" Mussolini-style Corporate/Statist oligarchy Socialism. It is STILL Socialism, and it is STILL state CONTROL of the means of production AND the MARKETING of that production. When carried to their dogmatic extremes, as they usually have been, both "Left" and "Right" Socialisms use the same tactics to STAY in power . . . FASCIST tactics. Fascism is not ONLY an ideology. It is also a TACTICAL methodology. Fascist tactics are NOT a monopoly of the "Right". One can claim to be "Left-Wing" and STILL use fascist tactics. Ceausescu, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mengistu . . . . all "Leftists" . . . and all Fascist in their political methodology.
George Bush is NOT a conservative. He has not practiced conservative values. He is a Corporatist/Statist who has INCREASED the bureaucracy and centralization of government.
Call it "Right" OR "Left" . . . if it looks like a Statist/Socialist, walks like a Statist/Socialist and talks like a Statist/Socialist . . . it's probably a Statist/Socialist.

socialism
The problem with this ideology is that the same people who have the power to decide who is wealthy and who is not have the power to dictate the rules in every other area of your personal freedom. Its only a thin line away from deciding that the public no longer needs to vote. Politicians can appoint, then what....

Jiminy Cricket, Pat!!
Aren't medicare/medicaid, or social security, examples of programs calling for redistribution of income or assets?

And our progressive tax system?

Pat seems oblivious to the fact that our veterans health care system is a socialist system.

The government operates the system, and its health care providers are employed by the government.

A delicious bit of irony exists in our finest men and women being sent on half-baked neocon schemes to install freedom and democracies in foreign lands only to return home to our Beloved Republic and have their health care needs provided by a(gasp)disgusting socialized health system.
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All this bloviating and rhetoric on the evils of these programs by socalled conservatives ought to manifest itself in their fielding a candidate espousing abolition of these programs.

Let that candidate campaign in south Florida, or Ohio, or generally in our increasingly elderly nation, and promise to abolish medicare.

Ah... methinks that might be a somewhat challenging enterprise, and not necessarily conducive to electoral victory.

Tis not so farfetched to call for abolition of progressive income tax system, to be replaced by a "fair tax system"(whatever that means)calling for exemption of any tax on incomes under 35 grand, for instance, with income above that being taxed at a flat rate...maybe 15%-18% or thereabouts.

Anyway, Pat is better than this.

This piece was too much affected by the hysteria surrounding that dreaded "socialist" word.

And I ain't promoting socialism. It does undermine excellence and merit.

BUT, per patient health care costs in the U.S. are drastically higher than in other advanced nations( many of whom employ some degree of socialized medicine), yet broad measures of health/ mortality rates in the U.S. are lackluster or worse, compared with those same nations.

So something ain't right.

Our current system obviously leaves alot to be desired.




Obama's Radical and Communist Allies
Barack Obama was mentored by Communist Frank Marshall Davis, Communist writer and poet (1905-1987).

Frank Marshall Davis was identified unequivocally as a CPUSA member in a 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities.

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Barack Obama carefully chose William 'Bill' Ayers who said, "Kill all the rich people. ... Bring the revolution home. Kill your parents."

In the 1960s, Bernardine Dohrn and her husband Bill Ayers were leaders of the "Weatherman" faction, which in 1969 went underground to become America's first terrorist cult.

Barack Obama launched his political career in the home of Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.

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Alice Palmer met Barack Obama during meetings at the home of Bill Ayers and hand picked Obama to fill her newly vacated 'State Senate Seat'.

Alice Palmer served as an executive board member of the U.S. Peace Council, which the FBI identified as a Communist front group.

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Michael Klonsky was chosen by Barack Obama as a blogger on the 'Obama official Website'. Klonsky a former leader of 'SDS' - Students for a Democratic Society and a leader of the 'New Communist Party'.

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Tim Wheeler is a National Board member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA), and has been a key figure in the party's Baltimore chapter since the early 1970s. He helped organize local canvassing and visibility events for Obama, and he chronicled his experiences on the campaign trail in a blog that appeared on the Obama campaign website.

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Jeremiah Wright was carefully chosen by Barack Obama to 'Mentor' him and be his spiritual guide.

Mentor Wright became famous for screaming 'God Damn America' from the pulpit at TUCC.

http://hisfacts.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/21/obamas_radical_ and_communist_alliances.thtml

Investing in Failure - Obama's Plan

Barack Obama's clarion call is to "Sacrifice for the Common Good" - to redistribute wealth, as Obama said to 'Joe the Plumber', "letting those behind catch up".

Who are these citizens that Obama will invest the money of those who work in?

Hard working people that need 'Just a Helping Hand' to catch up?

Hard working students that need help to finish or continue their brilliant educations?

NO, Barack Obama wants to invest OUR money in criminals, those chronically unemployed and those students that have low levels of student academic achievement.

That is like picking the poorest performing stocks one can find and investing their retirement and 401K money in failure - hoping to help those companies that are on a course of bankruptcy, complete their goals.

Those who work get to help criminals pursue their careers, those that won't work, continue not working (with some walking around money) and enable drug users, alcoholics and other addicts to continue their lifestyles.

"Establish 20 Promise Neighborhoods: Obama will create 20 Promise Neighborhoods in cities across the nation that have high levels of poverty and crime and low levels of student academic achievement." Barack Obama, Blueprint for Change

Barack Obama's 'Hope' and 'Change' = 'Investing in Failure' = coming to America with anyone who works help.

To Jerabaub in Fl
Medicare and Social Security are programs that tax payers 'pay' into, who then have the 'right' to 'receive' monetary amounts in return following our Governments established criteria for doing so. They ARE NOT examples of Socialism, where 'something' that is 'earned' by one person is 'Taken' to distribute to someone who has not 'earned' it.
Medicaid was established for citizens 'unable' (Not Unwilling) to 'earn', citizens such as,the disabled and children.
Again, these are NOT programs of Socialism, but programs of a Democracy, even though our Government has never 'run' them with the priority of their being a 'benefit' for the American citizenry. Our Government has instead, 'used' and 'wastefully' spent these (our) tax dollars, to the point of bankruptcy of these programs.
America needs a President to 'Lead' us BACK to the Democracy of our Founders and 'We the People' and NOT 'Lead' us into 'Socialism', which will eliminate our Constitution, our Flag, our Pledge and our Freedoms.

Obama's Communist membership
http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-file-41-obama-was -new-party.html

Obama was a member of the Illinois New Party and was endorsed by them in his 1996 Illinois State Senate race.

The New Party was the creation of the quasi-Marxist Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) and the radical community organisation ACORN. The Communist Party splinter group Committees of Correspondence (CoC) was also involved.

I quote from Chicago DSA's New Ground of September/October 1995

The political entourage included Alderman Michael Chandler, William Delgado, chief of staff for State Rep Miguel del Valle, and spokespersons for State Sen. Alice Palmer, Sonya Sanchez, chief of staff for State Sen. Jesse Garcia, who is running for State Rep in Garcia's District; and Barack Obama, chief of staff for State Sen. Alice Palmer. Obama is running for Palmer's vacant seat...Although ACORN and SEIU Local 880 were the harbingers of the NP there was a strong presence of CoC and DSA (15% DSA)... Four political candidates were "there" seeking NP support."

Love the photo ...
of Obama in a field of pumpkins, his constituency of the Proletariat. Perhaps smiling jack-o-lanterns would have been more apropos. How naive does this illusionist of illuminati B.S. think Americans are?

Obama's Marxist/Socialism

What is the difference between socialism and communism?

Socialism can only grow directly from Capitalism.

Communism can only be achieved from Socialism.

Socialisms slogan is: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his DEEDS."

Communisms slogan is: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his NEEDS."

Socialism and communism are alike in that both are systems of production for use based on public ownership of the means of production and centralized planning.

Socialism is the first step in the process of developing the productive forces to achieve abundance and changing the mental and spiritual outlook of the people.

Socialism is the necessary transition stage from capitalism to communism.

There are two kinds of property to a Socialist:
1) Property used for private enjoyment, i.e. Automobile.
2) Property used to produce the Automobile.

Socialists will allow you personal property i.e. Automobile, but will take away and own the property used to manufacture the Automobile.


There is one kind of property to a Communist:
That which is owned by the state, including the citizens of that state.

The communist principle of distribution according to needs is not immediately possible and practical until the Socialist framework is in place.

The conjecture that Socialism is NOT Marxist thinking is both foolish and plain silly.

http://hisfacts.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/21/obamas_radical_ and_communist_alliances.thtml

Once Again Pat Impresses Pat
This article is intellectually sound but emotionally dysfunctional. Pat never understood the role of emotion when he ran for office, so here we have another cup of bland, served luke warm, with too much sugar. Obama is a Communist--say that with emotion, believe it with disdain, and condemn it with your vote for McCain.

Finally
Someone who hase the courage to call it as it is.

Thanks Pat.

Fishy
You are right to say: "Medicare and Social Security are programs that tax payers 'pay' into, who then have the 'right' to 'receive' monetary amounts in return following our Governments established criteria for doing so"

You are wrong when you say that isn't Socialism. The litmus test is "is it VOLUNTARY participation?" Technically it is because you still have to apply for a Social(ist) Security Account, on the other hand try doing ANYTHING from opening a Bank Account to getting a job WITHOUT a number. This makes cattle out of us.

Democracy allows for choice, totalitarianism does not.

Socialist - Hell yes obama is
The Obama is no doubt a Socialist. All you have to do is look at the dubious People the obama is connected to: Ayers, Wright, Rezko and numerous others. The obama is DANGEROUS...

Another example...
...of a close-case "socialist" is Teddy Roosevelt, who helped pass the progressive Income Tax Amendment to the Constitution.
A Republican, by the way.

Check your sources, Pat
As a good Catholic, Pat, don't be to quick to trash 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.'

It's really from St Augustine, who dug it out of the Old Testament. Karl Marx just borrowed it to make a moral point.

I''m one of your regular unreconstructed 1960s radical readers out here in Western PA

Retired Geek
Your "DEEDS","NEEDS" diatribe would be interesting if the differences were not so opaque and oblique. That sentence sounds worse than I intend; people need acceptance of their views so there is always great effort put forth to cloud and obfuscate real intent. Most hard core Communist countries refer to themselves as a Republic, examples: Peoples Republic of China (Communist China) and the German Democratic Republic (the former East Germany). Truth is relative to a Communist or Fascist and history has tainted both systems---enter the Serpents of Semantics. Liberals/Socialist/Leftist/Progressives are just hues of Communism. Parsing is confusing and intentional. Embrace the doctrine; wear the mantle. DEEDS,NEEDS just more semantics and a very small bush to try to hide behind.

Old Testament....
When you pull out a Bible reference give us the chapter and verse...looking back will turn you into a pillar of salt.

Carl
Best reason for separation of church and state I've heard.

fishy 7:44
If you had read my post carefully you would note I never said medicare and social security were "socialist".

I did say there were examples of redistribution of income and assets.

Mr. Paine notes many folks are prone to include redistribution of assets/income as a socialist-inclined system...and his point about the "voluntary" nature of social security has merit.

Most definitions of socialism agree that it is a system where the community as a whole owns or controls the means of production, distribution and exchange.

A government that takes assets from some, and distributes such assets to others, certainly has some features consistent with socialism, altho I will leave it to more learned individuals to delineate the distinction.

For everyone to really think about......
Should the Dems win on Nov. 4th, this Great Nation of ours will be known as the;

Obamanation of America.

Think about it.

refatsew
It's obvious you are a Troll. That's ok, dealing with the mentally deficient is a trial we all must bear, upon occasion.
A little advice - look up the phrase "usefull idiot", in the context of the Marxist ideology.
Now go look in the mirror. There ya go, spud - now you know what your lot in life truly is.

You have a perfectly miserable day now.

Palin/McCAin - it's a survival thing.

Dwain Cleveland

The Brits have a way with words...


'You have to pinch yourself - a Marxist radical who all his life has been mentored by, sat at the feet of, worshiped with, befriended, endorsed the philosophy of, funded and been in turn funded, politically promoted and supported by a nexus comprising black power anti-white racists, Jew-haters, revolutionary Marxists, unrepentant former terrorists and Chicago mobsters, is on the verge of becoming President of the United States. And apparently it's considered impolite to say so.'



- Melanie Philips, The Spectator ( UK ) 10/14/08








Obama Chaos
Edwin Vieira asks "Why doesn't Obama prove, with conclusive
documentary evidence, that he is 'a natural born Citizen' of the
United States who has not renounced his American citizenship?" Because
of his failure, America is potentially facing the gravest
constitutional crisis in her history. "The potential for chaos, both
domestically and internationally, arising out of this systemic
uncertainly is breathtaking." http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin84.htm
It is crucial that people vote against Obama unless he produces proof
that he is eligible to be president. Dr. Vieira says "If Obama turns
out to be nothing more than an usurper who has fraudulently seized
control of the Presidency, not only will the Constitution have been
egregiously flouted, but also this whole country could be, likely will
be, destroyed as a consequence."

America has a morality problem
Not a policy or democrat/republican problem.
This Nation will never know the Liberty this Country once had unless moral values get restored.

The immorality of the times has brought the changes so many looking to government makes an immoral little man like Obama attractive to them.

The real world does not operate with just words or government policy.

Obama is an immoral man, an indecent liar of the same sort every egotist in the world has had to offer.

Self love and self promotion and will fall, depends on if elected he will bring down the nation with him.
He is on course for self destruction and only a fool will follow this deceitful man

Carl
In your locale, were you captured in the racist net cast by Congressman Murtha? If not, let me try to net you. You identify yourself as a 60s radical which carries with it the implied understanding of the word "coward" and "redirected thinking". As is typical when defending the indefensible (Communism) people want to be shielded by some person or in your case Saint of note. There are no groups or parties entrapped in homogeneous thought, not even 60s radicals. The tar brush I painted you with probably wasn't fair but you used 60s radical as an identifying descriptor of who you are. Neither Pat nor the Catholic church are responsible for Communism, the basic ideology was reduced to paper by Marx, it is the misguided that embrace it. Which net are you under?

Socialism
There should be no doubt that Obama leans toward having a bureaucratic intelligentia guide our economy, our lives, and the fate of our income. Folks have got to know that at best Obama is a socialist. What we have to have great apprehension for is the possibility that he may be more radical and dictatorial than that.

Hawkeye 58
When I see polls that indicate the majority of Jews support and will vote for Obama and you quote someone who identifies Obama's mentors,supporters and friends as Jew-haters, I see a disconnect. I have never considered Jews to be stupid but maybe I have been wrong.

4.5-star article
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Happy Halloween!
Take a look at my Jack-O-Lantern. I think it's the scariest one in America!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/31958537@N03/2989381990/

or http://www.tinyurl.com/6rs2dh

Remember to vote for McCain/Palin on November 4th! Democrats can vote for Obama/Biden on November 5th.

The Infertile Mind of Barack Obama
Barack Obama, like most Socialist/Communists has been deprived throughout his life of any form of original thought. He has had to rely on others to formulate his worldview, and societal understanding because he has never been given the opportunity to develop a cognitive sense of reality utilizing the talents given him by his Creator. Were he to attempt to formulate an idea through his own talents and abilities, he would falter and fail miserably. Without a script, he has shown no sense of originality and his articulations border on sheer mindlessness.

That being said, he would make an excellent televangelist

Ike the socialist - !$#@%& you
I am sick of people calling Ike a socialist
just because he had a progressive income tax!
91%!
And supported social security!

He was not a socialist and neither is Obama.

If he is please explain how Ike and the congress
wasn't

Barack Obama is not a Socialist
Barack Obama is a Communist.

Socialism is just the bridge to Communism and we are nearly there.

"We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism."

- Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959

It might be better to classify
Obama as a Socialist with a penchant for Communism. Obama and his leftist illuminati ideals will change our country into something unrecognizable with a watered-down Constitution.

Pat Returns to the SANE!!!
Pat paused from his normal Bush-bashing to recognize the greater danger!! Well, one out of 100 columns can't be too bad!

The End of the Obama 'Magic'
"..America is a different land, for me exceptional in all the ways that matter.

In recent days, those vast Obama crowds, though, have recalled for me the politics of charisma that wrecked Arab and Muslim societies.

A leader does not have to say much, or be much. The crowd is left to its most powerful possession -- its imagination.

From Elias Canetti again: "But the crowd, as such, disintegrates. It has a presentiment of this and fears it. . . . Only the growth of the crowd prevents those who belong to it from creeping back under their private burdens."

The morning after the election, the disappointment will begin to settle upon the Obama crowd.

Defeat -- by now unthinkable to the devotees -- will bring heartbreak.

Victory will steadily deliver the sobering verdict that our troubles won't be solved by a leader's magic."


Mr. Ajami is professor of Middle Eastern Studies at the School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University, and an adjunct research fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122533157015082889.html

What is coming - there is no doubt
There should be no doubt that we already have liberalism in our country. These are government programs that fight the excesses of capitalism. But here's the thing: Mr. Obama will to a 100% certitude push the country closer to pure socialism. What else can his 2001 interview with NPR, his comment to Joe the Plumber, and his unbelievable associations suggest?

Adam Smith the socialist - wt#$%^&
I am sick of people calling Adam Smith a
socialist because he thinks it is fair that
the rich pay proportionally more than others.
A progressive income tax!


He was not a socialist and neither is Obama.


Milton Friedman was a redistributionist!
Milton Friedman proposed giving every American
a check for several thousand (I believe $17 or
18,000).

Commie!

everyonesfacts
You say: I am sick of people calling Adam Smith a socialist because he thinks it is fair that the rich pay proportionally more than others. A progressive income tax!

He was not a socialist and neither is Obama.
______________________________________

Yes he was. And yes he is.

In your post you use the word "fair." You use it the way all socialists do.

Here's what's fair: Everyone in this country has a legitimate shot at the American dream. That's why capitalism and conservatism are fair. Fairness is equal opportunity, to the degree that it can be perfected, NOT equalized wealth.

If you equalize wealth there is no American Dream. You can work your butt off, apply your gifts your entire life and be rewarded by being forced to pay the tab for some supposedly and helplessly impoverished group the government has decided needs your money more than you do.

Unless you're a highly ranked government official. Then you're living large.

Milton Friedman
wanted to give people back their own money that had already been forcibly taken from them via taxes.

That's not redistribution. It's a refund.

SUPREMES: PLEASE STOP IN THE NAME OF...
...our American way of life.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId= 79519

Sigh....
If only Pat was running for president instead of big government "conservative" John McCain.

Barack Hussein Obama is...
Barack Hussein Obama is a closet Socialist/Marxist and looks forward to his coming out party on Nov. 4. If this country decides to elect Obama that will be the being of the end of America as we know it. The US and the World will see a great depression worse than what they experienced during the 1930’s. We owe it not just too ourselves; but our kids and their kids, past and future generations of Americans. We mustn’t allow America to become a Socialist Democracy, for the next step is Marxism and Dictatorship.

If elected, Senator Barack Hussein Obama will be our president. In these difficult times, we should support him in the few areas we can and should challenging and oppose him where we must; but we should not give him that opportunity.

Paul
Milton Friedman's concept of the negative income tax would give money to people who paid no income tax. It's basically the same "share the wealth" program that Obama is advocating. Now if Milton Friedman was a socialist and Adam Smith was a socialist who's a capitalist economist? John McCain once said “Here's what I really believe, that when you are -- reach a certain level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat more.” So McCain is also a socialist! I guess you're really screwed.

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc1/NegativeIncomeTax.html

PS: Have you heard that Obama wants to replace the Star Spangled Banner as the national anthem with I Want Your Sex:)

Obama; A LOWER EXPECTATION ????????
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This morning 10/31,Obama's top advisers started to lay the ground work to "lower expectations" for the Obama Presidency.__See the News.

After 2 years Sweeping Oratory,Grandiose Pontificating, Planet Healing and "CHANGE",
the Presidency of Barack Obama will now be reduced to MEDIOCRITY by his own wish.

He hasnt even won and already he's making excuses for his soon to be failed Presidency.
He Blames; "A faltering Economy",and a divided country.

Surely after listening to this man Expound his Glories for 2 whole years, driving HILLARY CLINTON into obscurity, The American People are owed much more than a Preamble of EXCUSES!
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SAY NO TO BHO !
DONT GET HOOD WINKED!THE OBAMA PLAN IS A CASTRO STYLE CUBA! VOTE MCCAIN-PALIN !!!!USA,USA!

Obama and Ayers
Obama says he barely knew Ayers. However, Obama certainly has his views. Ayers is a socialist and admires Castro and Chevez.

Obama was a member of Chicago's Socialist Party and he sure sounds like he's following the rules of the party.

How about his "personal army" he wants. Train them in the Alinsky method and we'll all live in fear. Just like "Joe the plumber", don't question the Messiah!!

Adam Smith socialist / Friedman refunds
Paul, Brilliant, absolutely brilliant!!!
Adam Smith the leading mind of capitalism was
a socialist because he believed in a progressive
tax - that's your only qualification - not any
of his other beliefs

and Milton Friedman's plan to give the same amount of $ to every citizen
say $20,000 after collecting from them different
amounts is not redistribution it is a refund!?!

You might want a refund on your U of Chicago MBA - after sucking up to Milty this much.

Connecting the Dots
I've been trying to connect the dots between Obama's radical associations. Please help with this effort (in the comments) if you can.

http://blog.topicaltopics.net/2008/10/connecting-the-dots/

Obama the Marxist
If Obama is not a socialist, his critique of American capitalism, and his policy prescriptions, are certainly indistinguishable from those of Karl Marx. Obama essentially wants a centrally planned, government directed economy, American-style. This is a recipe for disaster and a proven failure. Even the kinder, gentler European models in France, Sweeden, Germany are failures == high unemployment, stunted economic growth, little to no business innovation, class warfare, mass union strikes --- all the hallmarks of Western European socialism. Obama doesn't need to impose a model based on the Soviet Union/Cuba/North Korea/etc to wreck this country, simply imitating Europe will suffice and America will be far worse off as a consequence.

It Is Only Fair
The wealthiest in America will not be affected by Obama's redistribution schemes. Soon after the election, Gulfstream and Lear jets will descend on D.C. and their occupants in fine suits and tassled shoes with their briefcases will flood into the capital and have their way with our elected whoares.

Pelosi will be bent over a chair by these lobbyists and breech loaded like a shotgun.

The resulting tax code will adversely impact those that rightfully should be fleeced: those deluded white middle class, petty bourgeoise and unionists who we see every night in Obama's crowds, arms outstretched to Him, their Messiah, whom they beg for their surplus government butter and clean diapers because they can no longer care for themselves.

Those fools are the ones who will bear the burden and that is only right. Since they are stupid and always led around by some government shepherd, those "undecideds" and "progressives" who are so eager to show they aren't racists, they have to be relieved of their wealth. Morons like them are dangerous with money. They drink, gamble and do all sorts of dumb stuff with money. It's best they stay home and clip coupons.

Obama and Barney Frank righteously take their money. I applaud them for doing so. It's what the middle class has to suffer for being stupid and voting democratic.


Comrade Obama
It's true our Nation is not the Republic the Fore Fathers envisioned but in 2008 we have to take the mess we have and try to improve it. McCain/Palin is much more likely to give us improvement than Nobama.

With Comrade Obama we'll get a Thugocracy based on the Commie Model. We the people have a lot to look forward to: 1) Ideology that is completely at odds with the intentions of the Fore Fathers, 2) The systemic dismantling of institutions, not necessarily in name but in the core reasons for their existence, so as to serve this ideology, 3) A rapid decline from super power status to a large banana-obama republic with Castro-like ideology driving its mediocre accomplishments, and 4) Social upheaval with high risk for violence.

THE STUPID IS IS STUPID DOES LIBERALS !
THEY WOULD FALL FOR ANYTHING.THEY BOUGHT THE PHONY OBAMA HOOK, LINE, AND SINKER!THE NEWS MEDIA ALSO GOT BOUGHT! FOLKS VOTE MCCAIN-PALIN!

Call Them Progressives...Not Liberals
We know why liberals prefer progressives to liberals. Their progression began with FDR and his distribution of wealth.

Every time a Democrat president was elected,the progression continued. LBJ really rushed it along.

George Bust,the first did his part and now GW Bush is continuing it. His tax cut was about the only thing out-of-character for a progressive.

Sadly,some Republicans are progressives,too. The bailout is the icing on the progressive cake. It will be a bitter cake,though and is poisonous.

I LOVE PATRICK BUCHANAN
Isn't he the greatest pundit? I love everything I've ever heard the man say. He's so wise. And he does it with such a charming manner as well. He's a true treasure. Signed, Still Free in Cajunland

One's choice of words says a lot
Some of Pat's column runs along the same lines as Michael Reagan's 10-29-2008 column about half-socialists, and also a little like my own post under Reagan's column, 2008 - 11:40 PM EST. I see a lot of other posters beginning to talk about new ideas that weren't talked about earlier, and it looks like everyone is thinking along similar lines and getting more and more on the same page as election time is approaching, which is great.

I said earlier, on that posting, that only a socialist would use the phrase "redistributive change", and I like seeing others like Buchanon note that, too. BHO's strange choices of words are dead giveaways as to where his strange ideas really come from.

Barohn Mc Bama
-

That is what we have to look forward to if either of these men is elected. They are a hybridization of all that is anti-Constitution, just as Buchanan's article indicates. We've been sold down the river by both of the big-box parties. I for one refuse to continue to drink Republican party Kool-Aid and fall for the scare tactics of "but if you don't vote for McCain, blah, blah, blah will happen". I'm voting for Chuck Baldwin, Constitution Party candidate for President: constitutionparty.com

OBAMA THE SPIRIT OF THE AGE & HIS DEFEAT
Excerpt from Barack Obama, the Spirit of the Age and His Coming Defeat on Election Day.

"Forget about signs and cycles, omens and portents; forget for a moment my belief in God and destiny and my conservative and McCainian mysticism. Let’s put all that aside for now and look at this race rationally and historically. There is a simple explanation why John McCain, the great survivor and the only true reformer in this race, will beat the odds and prevail on Tuesday: we are a nation at war in economic distress in an increasingly dangerous world. It is really that simple: the domestic and global conditions don’t exist for the expected, heralded, historic Obama victory. Let me explain:

If this were 1964 when the nation was prospering and barely at war in Vietnam; or if it were 1976 after Watergate, Nixon’s resignation and the war; or if it were 1992 after the Soviet Union had disappeared from history leaving America the only superpower, Barack Obama would likely be our next President....."

Click ApolloSpeaks and read my nonmystical piece: "Barack Obama, the Spirit of the Age and His Coming Defeat on Election Day" for the reasons why John McCain will rule Election Day

THE TAX MAN
*
A Fraud and a Liar:

_Schooled and Educated politically in the most corrupt City State of this Nation, who’s second Governor___In- A -Row, RODNEY BLAGOJEVICH, is on his way to Jail.
Barack Obama’s Friend and supporter Gov. Rod Blagojevich, is now being Filleted by Barack Obama’s other long time Friend, personal political fundraiser and backdoor real estate agent, Shylock TONY REZKO, who was just sentenced to 26 years in the big house for being an enemy of the state is making sure of that! 26 years is a longtime, and you know sometimes friends, especially these kind, just don’t matter. And the FBI sees it the same way. Bye Bye Rod its not been nice Knowing YOU!

Does anyone see a pattern here, or is it just us Chicagoans. Coming from a city where every good and service sold has a 20-Percent Corruption Fee attached, and has to deal with South Side politicians, Obamas hood,(although northside east or west,it makes no difference), who would rather install their next of kin to vacated posts, then have free and fair elections.

Its hard to see HOW the rest of the country believes this kind of Political Sewage means “CHANGE”___from the political Shylocks in Washington who Killed this Economy.
Do you think the “ALL BARACK ALL THE TIME, NO QUESTIONS News Media has something to do with it. Nah!

Barack Obama, A C O R N and his completely Corrupt Friends do not = “CHANGE” !

GET IT !______Not Equal “CHANGE”

REPEAL “CHANGE” 08

THE TAX MAN
*
_Heres a little insight into the kind of tax structure we Chicagoans have had to deal with under Barack Obamas Leadership; AND SO WILL YOU……….

“In 2003, Sen. Obama voted to raise the sales taxes on consumers by $59 million dollars, reinstate the state death tax that would have given grieving families a $45 million bill for new taxes, and force family farmers to shoulder $74 million in new higher taxes.

“He didn’t stop there. Sen. Obama also sought to tax life insurance so many families rely on in Illinois in an attempt to raise $9 million for the state. Not even bankruptcy cases were sacred, as he hoped to get an additional $4 million by taxing them at a time when people and small businesses need the most possible help. Sen. Obama wanted to go so far as to strip the rights of business owners to appeal unfair property tax valuations.

“By encouraging such anti-business tax policies in Chicago and Illinois while serving in the state legislature, Sen. Obama made neighboring cities and states more attractive to employers and employees who could benefit from higher wages."

http://www.americansforprosperity.org/index.php?id=5103&sta te=il


apollospeaks
Thanks for your paste. I am so glad to be able
to read it once again. Like I always say, if
it didn't make me change my vote on the first
try, maybe it will on the 10th.

The Greatest Generation....
both won us the war and made us the greatest power on Earth, but we may have lost America in the process.

If this is what Pat is saying, he is probably right.

but...

I'm still voting for McCain on Election Day.

And the best news is that all of the Obama trolls will be go home on election day to await...

THEIR SPREAD THE WEALTH CHECK!

All they ever really wanted was another hand-out NOT a hand-up.

All you Obama supporters are are liars, murderers, cheats, and boring, humorless idiots...

JUST LIKE YOUR WITLESS LEADER...DUMBAMA

Barack's theme song!
Done to the fine music of the Beatles!

Let me tell you how it will be,there's one for you and ninteen for me,
Cause I'm the taxman,yeah,I'm the taxman

Should five percent apprear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all
Cause I'm the taxman,yeah, the taxman

If you drive a car,I'll tax the street,
If you try to sit,I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat, If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.

Don't ask me what I want it for If you don't want to pay some more
Cause I'm the taxman,yeah,I'm the taxman!

Now my advice for those who die. Declare the pennies on your eyes
Cause I'm the taxman,yeah, I'm the taxman
AND YOUR WORKING FOR NO ONE BUT ME!!!!!

SOCIALIST OR TAXMAN THAT'S BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!

The Kenyan flag and B.H.O.
What do they both have in common?

Both are a mixture of black, white, red, and green.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook /flags/ke-flag.html

The dream is over
The dream is over
What can I say?
the Dream is Over
Yesterday
I was the Dreamweaver
But now I'm reborn
I was the Walrus
But now I'm John
and so dear friends
you'll just have to carry on
The Dream is over

Obama Investing our Money in Failure

Barack Obama's clarion call is to "Sacrifice for the Common Good" - to redistribute wealth, as Obama said to 'Joe the Plumber', "letting those behind catch up".

Who are these citizens that Obama will invest the money of those who work in?

Hard working people that need 'Just a Helping Hand' to catch up?

Hard working students that need help to finish or continue their brilliant educations?

NO, Barack Obama wants to invest OUR money in criminals, those chronically unemployed and those students that have low levels of student academic achievement.

That is like picking the poorest performing stocks one can find and investing their retirement and 401K money in failure - hoping to help those companies that are on a course of bankruptcy, complete their goals.

Those who work get to help criminals pursue their careers, those that won't work, continue not working (with some walking around money) and enable drug users, alcoholics and other addicts to continue their lifestyles.

"Establish 20 Promise Neighborhoods: Obama will create 20 Promise Neighborhoods in cities across the nation that have high levels of poverty and crime and low levels of student academic achievement." Barack Obama, Blueprint for Change

Barack Obama's 'Hope' and 'Change' = 'Investing in Failure' = coming to America with anyone who works help.

voters are employers!!
Through this whole campaign I am shocked that more voters do not understand that they are INTERVIEWING these candidates to work FOR THEM!! If American workers treated a job interview with the arrogance that Obama has campaigned with -- (Audacity is right!! But not of hope-- of assumption)--- they would certainly NOT get the job! He is "auditioning" for a position that doesn't exist! MacCain answered debate questions relative to the Presidential job description and Obama insists on answering as if he is going to reinvent the very position he's applying for-- his inability to pass a security clearance on top of this makes it SO OBVIOUS what he's about! Why can't the majority claim their power and send Obama a Trump-esque "You're fired" before the interview is even over

noones facts writes:
everyonesfacts - !$#@%& you
I am sick of people calling Obama a socialist.

===========
Here's hoping ya get so sick its incurable.
Obama is a socialist, like Lenin and you too.

This article reads more
like a condemnation of Republicans who made the country more socialist than Democrats! Or at least enhanced Democratic "socialist" ideas. Why is it called "Comrade Obama"?? Is that a tease to get right wingnuts to read it? This obsession, whether it's real or fake, on the part of the McCain supporters that Obama is a socialist is a little like accusing an American of speaking English: we all do it! America is a socialist country, if all the wonderful programs to help people that our government has are socialist. How is Obama going to make this any more socialist????????

Second Amendment TIME!
Better buy a gun now so if Obama IS elected he'll have to TAKE it away...

If you don't own one then he doesn't have to do anything but pat you on the head and say, "good boy".

If McCain gets elected then you ready to defend yourself against the mad rioting masses of *sses that will prowl the strrets looking for revenge.

They will NEVER believe that DUMB-BAMA lost this election becasue he is a SOCIALIST-PIG...

Time to buy a gun before Obama tacks an 800% tax on them and then gives your gun to some ACORN thug to collect the "SPREAD the WEALTH AROUND" money from you and JOE THE PLUMBER!


USPatriot
"Better buy a gun now so if Obama IS elected he'll have to TAKE it away..."

Do you realize what you saying! And you call
yourself a PATRIOT. Either you believe in this
country and are willing to obey its laws or
you do not. And if you do not, then you are some thing other than a patriot. And maybe it
is time for you to take a hike.



Re: Karl Marx
It is about as enlightening to point out that Karl Marx was "AMONG" those who favored a progressive income tax as it would be to point out that Adolf Hitler was "AMONG" those who opposed abortion on demand. While it is true that Adolf Hitler held anti-abortion views, his lack of a political following in the United States makes his views irrelevant to the present debate.

Karl Marx likewise lacked a significant following this side of the Atlantic. The reason we had a progressive income tax prior to the Reagan revolution has less to do with Marx and more to do with political figures like William Jennings Bryan, who championed this reform. While Bryan struck out in his efforts to win the presidency, many of his ideas met with success, if not during his lifetime then thereafter. Herbert Hoover bitterly denounced the New Deal as "Bryanism."

Unlike today's Religious Right, William Jennings Bryan actually knew, and cared, what the Bible says about wealth and poverty, and war and peace.
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