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Friday, August 08, 2008
Pat Buchanan :: Townhall.com Columnist
Democracy -- A Flickering Star?
by Pat Buchanan
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In his 1937 "Great Contemporaries," Winston Churchill wrote, "Whatever else may be thought about (Hitler's) exploits, they are among the most remarkable in the whole history of the world."

Churchill was referring not only to Hitler's political triumphs -- the return of the Saar and reoccupation of the Rhineland -- but his economic achievements. By his fourth year in power, Hitler had pulled Germany out of the Depression, cut unemployment from 6 million to 1 million, grown the GNP 37 percent and increased auto production from 45,000 vehicles a year to 250,000. City and provincial deficits had vanished.

In material terms, Nazi Germany was a startling success.

And not only Churchill and Lloyd George but others in Europe and America were marveling at the exploits of the Third Reich, its fascist ally Italy and Joseph Stalin's rapidly industrializing Soviet state. "I have seen the future, and it works," Lincoln Steffins had burbled. Many Western men, seeing the democracies mired in Depression and moral malaise, were also seeing the future in Berlin, Moscow, Rome.

In Germany, Hitler was winning plebiscites with more than 90 percent of the vote in what outside observers said were free elections.

What calls to mind the popularity of the Third Reich and the awe it inspired abroad -- even after the bloody Roehm purge and the Nazi murder of Austrian Chancellor Dollfuss in 1934, and the anti-Semitic Nuremberg laws -- is a poll buried in The New York Times.

In a survey of 24 countries by Pew Research Center, the nation that emerged as far and away first on earth in the satisfaction of its people was China. No other nation even came close.

"Eighty-six percent of Chinese people surveyed said they were content with the country's direction, up from 48 percent in 2002. ... And 82 percent of Chinese were satisfied with their national economy, up from 52 percent," said the Times.

Yet, China has a regime that punishes dissent, severely restricts freedom, persecutes Christians and all faiths that call for worship of a God higher than the state, brutally represses Tibetans and Uighurs, swamps their native lands with Han Chinese to bury their cultures and threatens Taiwan.

China is also a country where Maoist ideology has been replaced by a racial chauvinism and raw nationalism reminiscent of Italy and Germany in the 1930s. Yet, again, over 80 percent of all Chinese are content or even happy with the direction of the country. Two-thirds say the government is doing a good job in dealing with the issues of greatest concern to them.

And what nation is it whose people rank as third most satisfied?

Vladimir Putin's Russia.

Moscow is today more nationalistic, less democratic and more confrontational toward the West than it has been since before the fall of communism. Power is being consolidated, former Soviet republics are hearing dictatorial growls from Moscow and a chill reminiscent of the Cold War is in the air.

Yet, wrote the Times, "Russians were the third most satisfied people with their country's direction, at 54 percent, despite Western concerns about authoritarian trends."

Of the largest nations on earth, the two that today most satisfy the desires of their peoples are the most authoritarian.

High among the reasons, of course, are the annual 10 percent to 12 percent growth China has experienced over the last decade, and the wealth pouring into Russia for the oil and natural gas in which that immense country abounds. Still, is this not disturbing? In China and Russia, the greatest of world powers after the United States, people seem to value freedom of speech, religion or the press far less than they do a rising prosperity and national pride and power. And they seem to have little moral concern about crushing national minorities.

Contrast, if you will, the contentment of Chinese and Russians with the dissatisfaction of Americans, only 23 percent of whom told the Pew poll they approved of the nation's direction. Only one in five Americans said they were satisfied with the U.S. economy.

Other polls have found 82 percent of Americans saying the country is headed in the wrong direction, only 28 percent approving of President Bush's performance and only half that saying they approve of the Congress. In Britain, France and Germany, only three in 10 expressed satisfaction with the direction of the nation.

Liberal democracy is in a bear market. Is it a systemic crisis, as well?

In his 1992 "The End of History," Francis Fukuyama wrote of the ultimate world triumph of democratic capitalism. All other systems had fallen, or would fall by the wayside. The future belonged to us.

Democratic capitalism, it would appear, now has a great new rival -- autocratic capitalism. In Asia, Africa, the Middle East and Latin America, nations are beginning to imitate the autocrats of China and Russia, even as some in the 1930s sought to ape fascist Italy and Nazi Germany.

The game is not over yet. We are going into extra innings.

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Thought #1
Democracies permit -- even seem to celebrate -- self-criticism. Criticizing the State can get you a long sentence in a prison camp in some place like China or Russia. I wouldn't put too much faith in people's expressions of fealty when they're being held at gunpoint.

Thought #2
Humans are tool-using animals. Tools, in accountants' terminology, are capital. Hence, in this very elemental sense, all human societies are capitalist.

The difference is that some human societies are relatively unfettered, and people are left free to use their capital/tools and their talents as they see fit. And some human societies are relatively enslaved -- either by organizations such as the State, or the Party, or the Mafia, or the Corporation, or the local Despot, etc. In these latter, one's capital/tools and one's talents may be commandeered by the rulers and deployed as they -- not the individual -- think best.

The successful despotic states (e.g., China, Russia, Nazi Germany) recognize the usefulness of tools in increasing the workers' productivity. Hence they "encourage" (okay, "force") capital formation. The less successful despotic states (see most of Africa & much of Latin America) either don't grasp the benefits of capital formation, or they feel that it's more important that the funds get channeled into the rulers' numbered foreign bank accounts. (The people be damned!)

Unfortunately, the free societies include a lot of voters who likewise don't see the benefits of encouraging capital formation. (See the current U.S. Presidential race, where the likely winning Party is more concerned with taxing those who supply capital than with encouraging them. Somewhat like those selfish Southern Hemisphere despots, the objective appears to be to transfer the capitalists' funds to the bank accounts of the winning Party's voters.)

Buchanan is right to worry. The relatively free societies may be at a distinct, voter-driven competitive disadvantage versus State-sponsored capitalism.

Reasons for discontent in the West
Pat raises some very good points. There are good reasons for the people in Western nations to lose respect for their governments. In the EU, the fecklessness of the not-really-united-and-thus-dysfunctional government does not inspire confidence. In the US the hyper-partisanship that keeps us from solving any of our major issues (social security, immigation, climate change, energy, medical costs, ...) also undermines confidence in our system.

The "West" is facing a huge challenge. It does not have the global influence it once had. It needs to get its own act together. We need statesmen. We need to reject hyper-partisanship. We need honesty about the gravity of the issues we face.


Democracy--a flickering star
...and read in the context of the USA today, conservatives are focused on the capitalism part of the equation, while liberals are focused on the government control elemnt of the dynamic.
In history, it appears that both sides got what they wanted.And then the liberals, with the controlling apparatus firmly in their hands, went extreme and millions died and the economies were suffocated.

Thought #3
The relatively free societies may have an advantage over the autocratic ones.

When ownership of capital (including "human capital"; i.e., educated talent) is widely dispersed across the society, such that many individuals are permitted to make many _different_ decisions about how they wish to deploy their part of that capital, then many new ventures get undertaken / many new things get tried. Many of these new ventures will prove to be bad ideas -- even foolishness. But some other ventures will prove to be wise, or lucky, or even inspired. (And some of the winning ideas will be things that any sane person would have reasonably judged insane; e.g., "Man will never fly!")

When many people are free to try new things, many will. Some of those will work. And self-interest will lead the rest of us to copy these new advances. The advantage of the free societies over the more planned ones is that free societies' greater variety allows them to evolve more rapidly.

Free societies have greater variety in their outcomes -- more big hits and more big flops. But we will emulate the successes and try to avoid repeating the flops. Free societies learn faster than autocratic ones.

Democratic Capitalism?
I don't know what that is. The US is a republic with democratic forms and its economy is based on the idea of free enterprise.

Russian & China are both only a century away from being overwhelmingly peasant societies. The US never had a peasant class.

The overlords in Russia & China have unleashed the entrepreneurial classes because the state failed in managing their economies. The US has no overlords.

No comparison. Their peasants may be satisfied because they are no longer starving. But the free men in our system have historical advantage & won't hardly fade in the extra innings.

Not to worry.

PB seems to be having a love affair with
DESPOTISM. He has morphed into a Nazi admiring Joe Kennedy circa 1939, no wonder the Moron TV Media loves to have this tool, PB seen as the presumptive Conservative.
And what good is a poll taken in a society like China or Russia that have a recent history of DEMOCIDE, murdering 100's of Million of their own citizens?

Apollo Speaks
Apollo, your MCCAIN, SOLZHENITSYN AND NUCLEAR IRAN is a great response to this PB crappy artical...the West must Wake UP!

Gary Rosen, Vaquero, Apollo
Gary and Vaquero, agreed Pat comes off in this article sounding way too admiring of Hitler etc ability to get the trains to run on time.

I also agree with those who say that Pat is comparing apples to oranges, that being satisfied or not may or may not be incompatible with agreeing that one's country is headed in the wrong direction

Apollo, I would value your comment if it weren't repeated on every TH column today.

economic reform/political liberalization
This is a serious article that strikes at the heart of those in our Beloved Republic who refuse to acknowledge that our political and economic system may not be as enticing to the world as they had assumed.

Now, before I am condemned as an "American-hater", allow me to say that I love this country and would want to live nowhere else.

To me, it is the best.

But citizens of other nations may think theirs is best.

Is it not hubris to think the world automatically wants to be like us...to structure their societies as we do?

The maniacal obsession of this administration to remake the Muslim world in our image certainly underscores this hubris.

And while such hubris is most manifest in this administration, it certainly is not limited to Bush.

It has been an assumption on our part for many decades.

If Pat's stats are correct about the amount of support the people of China and Russia have for their respective government's policies, who are we to claim they must be delusional?

The old argument about "liberalization" in the economic sphere invariably translating into the political arena, may need to be revisited.

Certainly China and Singapore, and even Russia (compared to the USSR model)belie that contention.

It's the Economy, Stupid
Pat highlights a critical point. People will vote their pocketbooks in the long run. And side with demagogues in the short. Which gives even more creedence to the notion that only a strong constitutional republic that mandates limited government power can ensure individual rights and liberties don't get trampled on by the majority.

It's time we embraced the liberty our founders so brilliantly created.

Take responsibility for your own lives, and quit looking for government to solve your problems. You'll inevitably be disappointed, otherwise.

DEMOCRACY -- A FLICKERING STAR
BS, I say! Mr Buchanan, since when did you accept polls on face? It seems to me that you're confusing the complacency with dissatisfaction. Americans value freedom above all else and although it's a shame we do such a poor job of demonstrating it, try to take it away.

What if democracy were allowed in Egypt?
Or Saudi Arabia?

Or Pakistan?

Wait...Pakistan had an election and its government is reaching an accommodation with the Taliban who are so strong in the no-man's land between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

The good residents of Gaza had an election not long ago, too.

Hamas was the victor.

It made Bush so mad that he cut off aid to the duly elected Hamas government in Gaza that his pressure upon Israel(to permit such elections)brought about in the first place.

Bush responded to his complicity in this event by throwing a temper tantrum and cutting off aid.

What a guy!

For those who think democracy is always the panacea, better be careful what you wish for.

dumb-ocracy
I'm surprised Pat was so imprecise in his diction. He knows better than most that we have a constitutional representative republic, not a democracy.

The reason our gov't set up has 'worked,' not perfectly, but better than most, was the observance of the Judaeo-Christian, Anglo-Saxon values which undergirded the constitution. Notice I use the past tense. Without those values, the constitution is merely a piece of parchment.

Democracy
America has a unique gene pool. We are a nation of immigrants, people of self-confidence and responsibility for the results of their actions. We have consistently chosen more risk/more reward solutions to govt, compared to other first world countries. Moreover, our flexible society, with wide choices, provides many levels of the security/risk choice. One can go civil service, or entrpreneur or most any level in between. Other democracies may make other choices, foolish or wise. Obviously, most European countries choose more security, less opportunity. Naturally. For a couple hundred years, their risk-takers have been coming over here. A democratic Iraq may choose the confines of Shaaria law, due to natural conservatism and fear of the unknown. It is easy to choose to vote oneself into misery. A choice by definition has differing results.

I blame the media
In controlled states, the media tells the people how well they are doing. in America, the Bush-hating media tells us how miserable we are. And people are suggestible.

Socialism
Of course these countries are growing in the fiscal world. We have given them our jobs and money! Our current leadership has baited we Americans and the uproar is beginning to ring loudly in my neighborhood. To be a congressman, legislator, senator or governor is a grand way to finance oneself. Threats of a civil war are beginning to take over, racism is at an all time high, tax payers are sick and tired of funding Washington thugs and I am in favor of the removal of any representative who doesn't advocate the betterment of the American people. We can begin this process with the immediate removal of Nancy Pelosi.

Food for Thought
The sad truth is that PB is exactly right and those who criticize his wisdom won't realize their folly until it’s too late. He isn’t praising Hitler, but pointing out that even a man who is evil incarnate can bring about changes that the nation perceives to be positive. A nation is in a dangerous position when the people are so self-involved and shallow that they support any dynamic candidate with a silver tongue and promises of “change.” Castro’s Cuba is another example of this phenomenon, and I pray that the United States of America isn’t added to the list soon.

And if you seriously believe that the people in communist ountries have the freedom to express their true opinions to pollsters, you need a reality check. They don’t have freedom of speech, remember? They can be jailed, tortured, and killed for expressing dissatisfaction with the government. But, hey, they all have state health care, don’t they? And they have a state-appointed job, don’t they? So life must be peachy. Get a grip, Americans! Our poorest people have more benefits and material possessions than most of the people who have ever lived on this earth. We are so blessed that we’re now officially spoiled rotten, and we don’t even recognize our blessings.

Do we need change? Yes, of course, but we don’t need a complete overhaul like BHO followers think we do.

"Democracy" is Highly Overrated....
As a libertarian, I take the view that "Democracy" is neither sufficient nor necessary to the creation and maintenance of a free society.

"Limited Government" is far more important than merely giving "the people" a dubious choice between two masters.

I would much rather live under a monarchy in which the powers of the king were strictly limited, than a democracy in which several hundred representatives could do anything they pleased.

Buchanan points out, correctly, that many "democracies" were merely brief preludes to dictatorship and unbelievably bloody foreign wars.

Why do the Russian and Chinese people like their current state of affairs? Because their governments are allowing a certain amount of prosperity to return. This good feeling will turn very quickly if and when those two regimes go the way of Germany (and Bush's America) and start waging pointless wars of aggression.

What do "the people" [ANY people--Chinese, Russian, German--you name it] want? Prosperity and the freedom to enjoy it. What stands in the way? Megalomaniac governments with delusions of grandeur.

"Democracy" is no guarantee of freedom and limited government.

Leo Strauss
Many years ago I studied with a student of Leo Strauss, the Zionist-turned-political-philsopher,par excellence.

One day, this student of Strauss casually remarked, "So, you want to discuss the issue of democracy--whether it is in fact the best way of life?"

His opinion was that Strauss was an atheist.

He strongly urged me to read Solzhenitsyn's "August, 1914," which, thirty-five years later, I've finally started.

Russians and Germans have always had, let's say "mixed feelings" about 1789.

Some Austrian Catholics to this day believe only in the legitimacy of the Holy Roman Empire.

It gets confusing to the average intellect, like mine.

Our Holy Father is fond of President Bush even though Bush erred in Iraq. But Bush believes in something noble: Liberty.

Benedict would say that Liberty is part and parcel of the Good, Justice, Responsibility-to-promote...the Good and Justice (not "equality" as we've come to expect it).

Leo Strauss knew good and well that his "Natural Right and History" took up where Nietzsche left off...an atheist has to just create a myth out of the store of myths--and then just fight for it. Strauss, a student of history, has "issues" with Liberalism, just like Nietzsche, the classicist, did. (I'm talking about classic Liberalism with its problematical Individualism.)

I'm looking forward to our Holy Father's next encyclical. I hope it talks about Human Rights and Human Responsibilities.

Divided Nation
What Pat explores in this article is something I witnessed in China 10 years ago. Ambitious and hard-working, the Chinese are a proud and determined people. To them, Mao was a prophet, and Communism was infinitely better for them than the imperial China of past generations. They have embraced captialism, and the benefits it is providing them overshadows any moral shortcomings insinuated by the West.

The problems with American capitalism today have evolved over a period of several decades. The socialists on the left, and the globalists on the right have, wittingly or unwittingly, conspired to gut the American working middle class. The exportation of American jobs and technology to the third world - to satisfy demands for cheap labor and greater returns to stock holders - has undermined our economy. This has been further exacerbated by the flood of illegal immigrants for the same reasons.

We need strong leadership to turn this around. I do not, unfortunately, see that kind of leadership on our horizon in the current election.

Buchanan
is stuck on everythting negative in this Country. Why doesn't he just come out and vote for Obama, for God's sake. He has nothing to contribute and is defuintiely stuck on the despotism. Negativeity begets negativity. Enough said. The Light of Democracy is shining brighter in Iraq. I bet he hates it. America is a republic with plenty of democracy. Buchanan needs to get over himself.

A strong leader at hand!
Interesting. Perhaps the United States is ready for a charismatic leader who will unite us by stifling dissent and centralizing the economy. If so, vote for Senator Obama.

What we have now is a nation where our children are taught to despise America, our elites ridicule "traditional values" and promote an anti authoritarian agenda, anti family agenda for kids. Different ethnic groups fight for the mantle of victimhood, hard work is poo pooed.

Perhaps under Obama we can all unite under liberal values and join together in a great orgy of apologies and atonement. Those who dissent will need to be dealt with. See you at the re-education camp!

Pistol/PB
Both of you surprise me, as you claim that the US is a Republic, which ignores the march of history that has, in fact, turned it into a centralized direct democracy that practices universal suffrage. It may, in your mind, still have some of the forms of a Republic, but it has very little of the substance remaining. The essence of a Republic, after all, is that powers not residing in the central government reside in the states. However, since the end of WWII, we've seen a massive transfer of that power to Washington away from the states. The very fact that 50 years ago, the combined state governments spent $1 for each $1 that the central government spent, whereas today the central government taxes and spends over $5 for each $1 the states spend - should tell you that. Health, Education, Welfare and the like are now controlled principally by and in Washington, not in the states. Not only does the central government spend over 5X as much money as the combined state budgets, but it spends over $3 for each $2 spent by all state and local governments as well. You would do well to reconsider your perspectives and look at what has transpired. Otherwise, you will continue to misunderstand the difference between what we were - and what we have become. And none of this, I might add, takes into account the growth of mandates, whereby the central government passes laws that it refuses to fund, which, in turn, forces the states and muncipalities to use the tax dollars they do have to fund those laws.


Cont'd.
In the end, like many Americans, you're holding onto an idea of the past - which is no longer the case. And, I might point out, as this has transpired, the US is no longer the "free enterprise" capital of the world either. We pay the same or more income tax, for example, than people living in Italy, Spain, Greece, Great Britain, Ireland, Australia, etc., and substantially more than those living in countries like Russia, China, and many others. Economic freedom is also an issue, and we do not have anymore, and in some cases less, than others.

This does not make us better than or worse than others, but it does increasingly point out why whereas the elites of countries once came here, they are increasingly, in a global economy, staying where they are. Over 1/2 the revenues of the S&P 500, for example, are now derived from other countries - not the US. R & D, once our strength, is increasingly taking place elsewhere. Combine this with the integration of the global stock and investment community, and the simple facts such as the one that shows us that China and India combined are turning out 8 engineers for each one of ours, and the world is going through a sea change, and we are increasingly falling behind. We have become, in the end, a centralized democracy whose control rests in Washington, and we lack the ability to make decisions because we cannot develop a rational concensus when 300 million people are involved. These other countries with either smaller populations or less direct democracy are moving more quickly than we are, and it shows.




some right some wrong
poster pb above (as opposed to Buchanan who is referred to as pb in many of the comments) has it largely right.

Buchanan is right that countries at certain levels of development are drawn more to stability than freedom. That is what we are seeing in Russia and China. But satisfaction is based in part on what we are used to. So the lower rates of satisfaction in the developed countries is a result of us expecting more. We would not be happy with what China or Russia has.

That does not mean that people in the West will not accept limits on their freedom when they are scared. But we are a long way from embracing the kinds of models in Russia and China.

Buchanan is right though that the developing world is as likely to be drawn to the China/Russia model as it is to ours. At least until they develop. But we have seen with countries like South Korea and Taiwan that it is possible to develop and then become free. So I still expect our kind of system to have the greater staying power.

Lon
I happen to agree with your observation. The first responsibility of governments are to provide security, and to feed and clothe their people. Once the basics are in place, then, as we see in China and Russia, people begin to accumulate goods. The bar begins to rise. As it rises, they also become increasingly educated. Right now, people in these countries, having been exposed to great insecurity and need, vote for stability and economic security over democracy. However, history shows, as it did through-out Europe, that once people have achieved economic security, they then increasingly look to have increased control over their leaders. This doesn't mean that it's as straight road. Europeon countries fluctuated back and forth for over a century. Often, the forms of democracy were weak and unable to effectively lead. In the end, however, a more universal form of democracy, with better democratic institutions prevailed.

Americans, of course, are often impatient with the process. We think that the first priority should be democracy, when, in fact, for most its economic and personal security. Further, we forget how long it takes to build reliable institutions that people have confidence in. They don't just magically appear. The sharing of power and the balance between the judicial, legislative and executive branches of government, for example, can take century for a people to get right. and only then, as we've seen in countries like Germany, Italy, Spain, France and the like in the 20th century, do they finally have the confidence in democracy that we take for granted.


Redlac
I didn't specifically say our govt is still a republic. I believe it is still marginally so, although fading fast. On another thread, ratas y ratones discussed some of the events diluting the protections the founding fathers built in against fuzzy minded sloths trying to vote themselves rich. I am in high agreement with virtually all your points.

US, Israel, Allies & Coming War

When you have China, Russia, Iran, Venezuala, Syria & others combining their arms & prosperity to destroy all Democracies in their region ..We will need to fight another World war only this time the stakes are high..Our own survival as a free nation.

Russia has fired the first shot today in Georgia.


Democracy
Be careful for what you wish for. The Chinese people take a much harder stand toward Taiwan than the government, a more harder stand toward Tibet, want to see Chinese as a world-class power--economic as well as militarily. Are much more nationalist and reactionary. Democracy in China is not likely to resolve the Taiwan issue or the Tibet issue, in fact it may make a government now in power on the whim of the populace more hard-line--toward Taiwan and toward the US. Remember popular opinion drove the US into at least three wars--The Mexican War, the War against Spain and WWI. Go read some Chinese blogs sometime. These aren't oppressed people wanting to be free, these are people wanting to find their "rightful place in the world" and as they see it that means they as equals to the US.

Not so new either
"Democratic capitalism, it would appear, now has a great new rival -- autocratic capitalism."

Singapore has run this model for decades. The model termed by Francis Fukuyama as "soft authoritarianism" and this term is now at least 15 years old.

RUSSIA INVADES GEORGIA AS OLYMPICS START

As I woke this morning on day one of the Olympic Games in Communist China I wondered what all of the ruckus was about on CNN and Fox news? Russia had invaded the Republic of Georgia.

It was an invasion in the making stated the young president of Georgia. The first day of the olympics when the news medias attention is focused on Communist China and the Olympic Games and while the "Do nothing Congress" is on vacation probably attending those games and the "Do nothing President" is kissing butt in Communist China no one is paying much attention.

After rising to power on the precepts of good intentions for the Russian people and not denying the fact that they adore Vladimir Putin..he kicked out most of the Jewish Oligarchs who had seized power under Yeltsin and consolidated his own. Everywhere you look, Russia is drilling for oil...in the Balkins, the Artic...AntArtic...you name it...while Americans are debating whether to do so or not. The Globalist have just about brought America to her knees....so, whats next on the CFR agenda???????????????????????????????????

Hmmm, sounds like a Ptomekin village
Ptomekin was a Russian Admiral during the rule of Catherine the Great. Unlike many of her contemporaries Catherine the Great cared about her people. She would go on tours to visually inspect how her people were living and if they were happy. Admiral Ptomekin would, in advance of her visits use forced labor to build what amounted to a convincing set for the village just out of sight of the village to be visited. He would then move the population into the set on the day of the visit along with one trooper for each citizen. The trooper's job was to make sure that citizen cheered wildly as Ptomekin's men drove the Czarina through the fake village to convince her that her people were living well and happy.

The point is, that surveying the citizens in countries that throw dissidents in prison then execute them is apt to get a skewed result.

Redlac
Possibly the most important part of what you talk about is the degree to which what matters is how the people accept the government. There are plenty of countries with decent enough constitutions, but if there is not enough of a push back against parts of the governments that do not take the constitution seriously, those constitutions are useless.

Obviously that is why I see ideas like the Unitary executive so pernicious. The executive cannot be trusted to run any aspect of our government without oversite any more than any other branch can. In fact the balance of powers aspect of our government is probably more important than either the democratic or libertarian strands. Although the latter two are important as well.

Soviet Union = New Russian federation
The Soviet Union never really disappeared, it just recreated itself into a newer model. Vlad Putin is still the Puppet master and is running the show over there. They are now a meaner and leaner version of the bloated & backward old Soviet system. They shed all those unproductive Satellite states and are rebuilding Mother Russia proper. Give their citizens a little more prosperity and they're happy. They are better off now than in the old Soviet days. Their Imperialistic goals are still there, they have repackaged these desires also.

Analisys of Democracy and free markets
Dear paricipants of the discussion !
I want to point your attention to the book by Professor of Yale Univesity, Mrs. Amy Chua,
"World on Fire: How Exporting Free Market Democracy Breeds Ethnic Hatred and Global Instability", ISBN-10: 0385721862
ISBN-13: 978-0385721868 (you can easily find it on AMAZON.com). She collected a lot of data, shoeing that democratization leads to enhancement of "market-dominant minorities", when which in turn leads to the raise of ethnic hatered. You can have your own opinion about the causes of that phenomenon (just like you can have your own opinion on the causes of rain and wind), but you can not deny its existence. I myself am somewhat surprised, that Prof. Chua never mentions the potential role of IQ in the emergence of "market-dominant minorities".
Nevertheless, the data are there, and they are overwhelming.
Here conclusion. "It is OK, you can think about, what would be the best, if people were angels. But, as a matter of experimental fact, they are not"

BORING AND MISLEADING
Pat, at the height of his power, Hitler only garnered 34% of the German vote. You also overlooked the fact that China and Russia are totalitarian, and any protest or complaint is ruthlessly subdued. There are frequent protests in China, and many perish.

Of course the people polled will state they are pleased, they really do not have a choice in the matter.

History reveals that totalitarian countries eventually lose to the free nations. Greeks won against the autocratic Persians; the allies won against Nazism and Japanese Imperialism.

Unsure about Russia
But in China at least among the middle class and rich support for the government is high. The peasants are a different story. As I said, go read some Chinese blogs--many of which are based outside of China and out of the reach of China's control. Their complaints with the government is often the government doesn't have backbone to stand up to the Americans and to be more forceful in Tibet and Taiwan. Sorry, but China isn't filled with the oppressed all wanting to be mini-Americans. Most Chinese are in fact satisfied with their government--if there were free elections for say the NPC, the CCP would win easily. There is deep unrest among many of the poor--uprisings in the rural areas like Sichuan are becoming more common, more organized and more violent, but to say that the polls are BS and most Chinese are unhappy ignores reality.


aspacia
China is in fact NOT totalitarian as the term is rationally applied. Unless you want to lump Taiwan, the ROK before the mid-1980s as totalitarian as well.

Totalitarian systems are better.
Totalitarian systems have always obtained higher approval ratings from their citizens. For example, Stalin was purported to be a tyrant, yet there were few Russians who would actually criticize the man when interviewed by Tass. In contrast, many Americans will readily criticize the sitting president to the media. This is proof positive that citizens of democratic countries are far more dissatisfied with their economic systems than are the residents of totalitarian based nations.

I agree with this statement Pat
"Moscow is today more nationalistic, less democratic and more confrontational toward the West than it has been since before the fall of communism. Power is being consolidated, former Soviet republics are hearing dictatorial growls from Moscow and a chill reminiscent of the Cold War is in the air."

Seems the Bear is waking up from several years hibernation.....

"Democratic capitalism"
I'd say both China & Russia have more freedom socially & economically than America does by a long shot.

Our entire government structure has been compromised & diverted from protecting the rights, property and territory of American citizens into some bizarro fascist-Socialist homesexual diversity immigration & foreign trade funding machine.

If we had a motto it would be "submit & comply or die".

Our entire tax code, educational system, farm system, water & power system, healthcare, employment infrastructure has been nationalized to promote a state agenda, the subsidy of diversity, immigration, homesexuality and income & wealth redistribution from Americans to foreigners & immigrants and aliens.

Can you imagine an employer or apartment owner or medical professional just saying no to state policy? No to discrimination lawsuits seeking social justice? No to the appropriation of their private property to state appropriation to promote the state agenda?

"No, this is private property" is not an option.

Submit or die.


Just for the record...
When push came to shove, those decadent democracies kicked butt on, to use Churchill's words, Hitler's "deadly, drilled, docile, brutal mass of the Hun soldiery plodding on like a swarm of crawling locusts."

Give them Time
Some of you are unfamiliar with precisely how these governments control public opinion. In your mind, I imagine, you pereceive a country in which the police and security forces are omnipresent. In reality, in China, that simply isn't the case. You can drive through any number of major cities, along any number of roads and freeways, and engage in any number of business meetings and conversations - and never see a single picture of Mao, nor a flag, nor a uniformed soldier. At the same time, there are two kinds of dissent. On the one level, people talk freely to each other about their future and government. That is permitted. When, however, that dissent rises to the level of calling for the over-throw of the government, and when such dissent begins to be organized and becomes both vocal and public, the government reacts. I have never felt restrained in conversation from discussing the relative benefits and problems that exist in China and the US or elswhere. I can freely ask what my counterparat thinks about Tibet, or birth control, or Taiwan. And get a direct answer. Government is not involved in the corporations any longer - either. In all cases, the Chinese government is determined to maintain order.

At the same time, you have the view of the upper and middle classes, and of the peasants and lower classes. Akagi's commentary about Taiwan is, for example, relevant. However, the one group has no interest in going to war over Taiwan, because they are convinced that it will eventually, like Hong Kong, be absorbed. However, if a full fledged Democracy existed where the opinions of the second group prevailed - there could be a war over Taiwan. I think full fledged democracy in countries like China and Russia is a little premature. Everyone else had to take interim steps to finally arrive - and they need to so as well.

WHEN WILL IT END??!!!!!

In the name of EVERYTHING HOLY what is wrong with this man????!!!!!

A stupid book. Now another stupid column.

If he's so fascinated by Nazi Germany and other foreign cultures, then maybe he should leave the country. I swear, he lives and breathes Germany! Especially WW II Germany.

It's beyond understanding. A solid conservative on every single issue with the exception of foregin affairs.

Maybe MSNBC is fooling with his brain. Maybe he's trying to get out of his contract or some crazy thing. I don't know.

For the life of me, I just don't know.

I've also noticed that...
China and Russia today are cocky , nationalistic countries with a grudge toward outside nations they feel are "holding them down." As we saw with Germany 70 years ago, this tends not to work out well.

Too bad
"Those who Fail To Learn From History Are Condemned To Repeat It."

Pat's understanding of history is so lacking then. Most of his books boil down to "The west should have let Hitler alone as he would have attacked the Soviet Union and they would have ground each other up leaving the glorious west to keep its empires."

Well, to quote Churchill on this idea, he said that such was like feeding a crocodile hoping it would eat you last.


Redlac
Yes the Chinese government do look at Taiwan using the Hong Kong/Macau model, but a few things to consider. Unlike HK and Macau, Taiwan is a sovereign state, it is not a colony. The people of Taiwan by wide margains reject the idea of one country, two systems.

However, as long as Taiwan holds to the myth of Taiwan as part of China the status quo in the strait will continue. There would be much more danger of conflict in my view if China was an actual democracy. Especially if the government was in trouble, polls were down, etc and they could appeal to the populace by playing the nationalist card and moving on Taiwan. But of course there could be a danger here under the present system too if it began to lose support it could play to the nationalists just as the regime in Argentina did when it invaded the Falklands.

Eternal Vigilance
Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. The statists (read liberals) always are nibbling away at the foundations of our republic. Our model turned the whole world towards capitalism but many countries think they can achieve growing economies under government totalitarian control. A command economy, like Russia and China, never can innovate or out-produce an economy that is powered by millions of individuals making decisions every day.

Of course, if our deluded citizens vote for a would-be Messiah and trust him to make all the decisions our economy will collapse. I foresee our country breaking up in the future as some states secede from the Union. There already was such a movement in Vermont, which would be a disaster for that state of small farms, few tourist attractions, and few industries.

What Pat neglects to mention is that we have a dearth of bold, resourceful, young leaders. When a national election can only produce an Affirmative Action kid still wet behind his ears, an ethics-challenged woman from a past corrupt presidency, and an old war horse with flagging energy and intelligence, we are in deep doo-doo.





Reassertion
I imagine if Americans were not both cocky and nationalistic, your observation might carry more weight. But then we are. Why else do we seem to have this perception that you, or I, or any other American has the right to lecture other countries? Or to critisize them if we don't like how they run their internal affairs. In terms of grudges, Russia may fit your perception, but I suspect the Chinese do not. Granted, they have every intention of becoming what they once were, which is the dominant power on the Asian mainland, but who are we to pretend that a nation of 1.2 billion people does not have that right? One they held, after all, for 1000's of years. Further, they will get there whatever we think - which is why the constant carping on the part of Americans is likely irritating, and smacks of colonialism and, at times, arrogance. Bush more often sounds like a preacher - than a leader, as we are the self appointed deciders. What right, after all, do we have to try to control the waters off of China? We certainly wouldn't want the Chinese Navy operating in force off of New York or LA, but we seem to think that we can do this to other countries. Russia, conversely, is the largest landed country in the world. They too will be a player in the future. Most Americans, I suspect, simply can't get used to the idea that the time for us to be the only bear in the woods is over. We had a short run. These countries are simply reasserting themselves - and they have every right to do that that we have had.

IF THERE IS ONE THING BUCHANAN DOES ....

NOT KNOW it's this: "Those Who Fail To Learn From History Are Condemned To Repeat It."

The greatest unwavering, uncompromising isolationist in the country today, Pat Buchanan apparently believes freedom does not have a cost or needs to be defended.

Even worse than that, if you can imagine it, he has the unmitigated gaul to quote Winston S.Churchhill out of context! Anyone with just a brief knowledge of Churchill or WW 11, knows Churchill was completely against any form of isolationism. In fact, he was consumed with stopping people like Pat Buchanan. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE DID some 70-years ago. Thank God.




China & Russia
The Russians does not have a bunch of people like the left in this country that keep them from getting oil.China's commie government was not doing to good in keeping their people happy until they began massive exporting to the U.S. Now they have jobs for all those peasants moving into the cities.

SILLY? HARDLY!

Churchill did everything he could to STOP isolationism. Period. He'd beat someone over the head with a hammer if he had to. He'd "woo" someone if he had to.

One more thing, don't try to give me any history lessons. I'll state it again....

Anyone with a just a brief knowledge of Churchill or WW II knows Churchill was against any form of isolationism.


Try reading "Winston S. Churchill, The Second World War".

For you, I'd recommend the "Illustrated & Abridged" edition!

ALSO,

Do you know what Churchhill said the moment he heard that Japan attacked Pearl Harbor? Of course, you don't know.

I know you don't know.

I'm not talking about what some person said he said. I'm talking about the exact words WINSTON CHURCHILL stated! He wanted to make sure the world knew how he felt. That's why recalled them so vividly when he wrote "THE SECOND WORLD WAR".

Did you check that book yet? I didn't think so.

I like Pat, but whoaaaaaaa ....
I disagree with Pat's sources of who is content with their govts.

Russians & Chinese media write the viewpoints they want to suggest to its populace.

If you know many people at all from & living currently in these countries....they are not content at all especially the Russians. They are afraid to speak out & express their real viewpoints. Putin is virtually starving the masses of people over 45 in league probably much worse than Stalin did & he is doing it in a way that silent & almost unnoticable to outsiders.

Happiness Is All About Expectations
Well, of course, China and Russia citizens would be more satisfied with their lot in life. Heck, look what they have to compare it with. To go from zero freedom, zero safety, abject poverty and no jobs to some freedom, some money, some safety and something that you can call a job is, truly, worthy of excitement.

On the other hand, in America, really, what more could one want?

So, like spoiled kids, we have so much money and time and the freedom to spend it, that we get involved in realestate ponzi schemes like flip-this-house. Of course, as with all pyramid schemes, sooner or later, it gets busted and the last ones in are crying foul! And, the Government is expected to fix it?

Boy, it's tough being an American. How on earth do we manage. Good grief.

Silly article.


Churchill
When he heard that Japan had attacked Pearl Harbor he turned to his son and said "We've just won the war."


Mac Moore
You nailed it

Buck

Good to hear you have that set.

Yes! It has been fun.

BTW, if you don't have the "Abridged" edition, it does contain an excellent "Epilogue" written in 1957 by Churchill. I think you'd enjoy it.

What a brilliant writer!

Brilliant mind, too. He knew it was all over for the Axis the moment he heard Pearl Harbour was attacked.

I have a hard time, however, with Buchanan. Churchill understood clearly why wars have to be fought. Buchanan seems clueless.

Obama supporters? Time to assume
the position!

On your knees Obamies of all races and religions.

It is time for your daily call to worhsip your lord and master - SWAMIE-OBAMIE!

So get the H*** off TH, BOW before your autographed photo of Obamie, and RECITE your sacred incantations:

YES WE CAN!(stolen from Cesar Chavez)

Now click your heels three times and say:

OBAMIE'S THE ONE!(OPRAH said THAT)

and then your favorite mantra of all:

ANYONE AGAINST OBAMIE IS A RACIST...

There! Feel better?

Your Swamie-Obamie HEARS you because he is ALL HEARING.... I mean have you seen the ears on this guy?

Geez! Is that a racist comment?

It probably is to the ZOMBIE-OBAMIES!

vote for socialist

It is the only way to get good press in the good ole west. Maybe when we are red enough the media will love us again and we can come out better in such a poll.


Democratic Capitalism? - I think not!
America is still a "capitalist" country in only so much the extent that we can still invest in Corporations but these Corporations are not keeping the wealth here and building and expandingtheir businesses here in many cases, and they have set up their own insidiously evil Socialist government in DC designed to have We the People incur all of Corporate America's debtload when their stupid, greedy, irresponsible, braindead CEO's mess up, transfer bottom line expenses like healthcare from Corporate America to us, the American taxpayer, and even finance their own profits, so they can remain competitive in their global markets. It doesn't matter which Establishment Corporate Whore party is in power; they have all been bought off by Corporate America to insure that We The People always become We The Screwed. The "national debt" is the PC term for the endless legislation Congress passes on behalf of Corporate America to transfer Corporate America's massive debtload to the American People. In layman's terms, when the whores in DC in BOTH parties(27 GOP Senators supported this whoredom & wealth transfer) passed the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac insanity bill, $300,000,000,000, almsot a third of a trillion dollars was immediately transferred to We the People to bail out those unscrupulous CEO's, who make 20 million dollars a year(for WHAT???), who have been wining and dining our elected Corporate Whores and sending them and their families and mistresses on fancy vacations for far too long now. That is YOUR Government, People! It is NOT Capitalism; it is something the Founding Fathers could never have comprehended or intended or recommended, but most certainly would have ended. Your government can best be described as a welfare state for Corporate America. It is something far worse than even pure Socialism.

...Cont'd
In pure Socialism, at least the government is looking out for its People, even if they are being taxed heavily. This government is no longer even looking out for the American People. It is just looking out for and SERVING the interests of Corporate America - government OF, BY, & FOR the Corporations of America! How else can you explain the shameless, reckless disregard for our sovereignty and national security by politicians at ALL levels of government in BOTH parties??? This level of detachment of BOTH political parties from the American People is at epidemic levels, the likes of which I have never seen in all of my 45 years on this planet. It's as if an alien government has occupied DC. They have been so completely bought out by Corporate America. As long as WE THE PEOPLE continue to vote for EITHER of these 2 Establishment parties of political whoredom we are giving tacit approval to our own suicidal destruction as a nation. This system will NEVER be broken until we wake the Hell up and smell the coffee before it is thrown in our faces! Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and many other talk show hosts SAY NOTHING about this insidious system and have the audacity to call themselves CONSERVATIVE! What Bull manure! Then Rush Limbaugh falls all over himself when President Jorge, Jorge Sr, and Jeb call him on the phone to wish him a happy 20th anniversary. If Rush were a Conservative, he would have hung up on these TRAITORS to American Conservatism, these sellout whores to Corporate America! It is precisely because Rush and Sean and many other idiot talk show hosts refused to stand by Conservative principles that the GOP has become Democrat-Lite. You have to ask yourselves: Why do Sean and Rush NEVER brook calls from 3rd party, anti-Establishment TRUE CONSERVATIVES??? Have you ever noticed that??? It's because we would make them look like the FOOLS, CHARLATANS, and TRAITORS to CONSERVATISM that they really are!!!

Take Back the Government
Thank god people arent totally brainwashed by the offered 2 parties of whoredom.

Buy things from us to express your individuality & be better than your neighbor. With the profits we make from your consumption we will send jobs to people in other countries who will work for almost nothing. We wont lower prices either for sending those jobs out of the country...we might raise them.

Oh oh....China is beating us at our own game....so now we will take out ads telling people to be patriotic & buy "American" again so we can 'compete' with China & pay an army of lobbyists to set the govt up in our favor.

Americans have been trained to be super consumers since the Worlds Fair after the Great Depression. Express your individuality & uniqueness through buying things. That idea worked like a charm. Thank Freud's nephew & the American Assn of Manufacturers.

We are trained consumer monkeys who have lost the majority of freedoms our forefathers fought for.

We're picking up Speed going Down Drain!
The Left is mainly Fools and Traitors, but runs the MSM and Education.

The Right has more Fools (e.g. Buchanan) and Suckers than is safe.

The Future looks dim.

When America Dies...
it will have been because Corporate America was allowed to usurp the will of the People and destroy OUR government and render OUR Constitution to be nothing more than a nice tourist relic in DC to promote tourism. America will have disintegrated politically, financially, and culturally into secession, regionalism, and economic chaos. Corporate America, however, will take her profits, likely take her political whores in DC with her, and just transfer headquarters and operations overseas and pick up where they left off in search of more corporate welfare at taxpayers' expense elsewhere. That is OUR CURRENT FUTURE on this present course of madness, mayhem, and whoredom which we find our government.

Every 2 years, Corporate America selects for you the field of candidates you will elect in both major parties. They are assisted by their willing accomplices in the media who charge extremely high rates for political ads to keep underfunded candidates(those that Corporate America doesn't like - i.e., Tom Tancredo, Ron Paul, or Duncan Hunter) off the airways. So, at election time, you have NO CHOICE of your own picking. Your choice has already been usurped and made for you by Corporate America's financial muscle, a system that was decided a long time ago by both Establishment Parties. What do these whores do when they are voted out of office? They go to work as lobbyists right down the street in DC making much more bucks than they would ever make as a government official. By continuing to play THEIR game and continuing to succumb to our Chicken Little fears that the GOP and the DEMS both play upon, we will always get the current cast of corporate whores, career bozos, and blithering idiots for which to vote, and NEVER solve the problem but rather encourage more of it by giving tacit approval to it. Vote 3rd Party if you want real "CHANGE"!

Buck

Thought I'd check in and see if you're still in the neighborhood. What part of the state, by the way. I'm thinking Western PA/Pittsburgh area. Yes? No?

Also, are you familiar with the history of one of Churchill's most famous quotes? It's the Russia/Riddle quote. The fact that it did not originate from Churchill (he just added one word and changed another) plus the disturbing history of the quote, which involves an even more disturbing photograph, I find fascinating.




... and to the Republic
Has everyone become democrat minded? Wasn't this country established as a republic? Would you like to know what's wrong with this country? Common knowledge of who we are does not include the aforementioned fact! The republic went out the window with God around the time Wilson took office and its been downhill ever since.
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