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Friday, July 25, 2008
Pat Buchanan :: Townhall.com Columnist
Honorable Exit From Empire
by Pat Buchanan
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As any military historian will testify, among the most difficult of maneuvers is the strategic retreat. Napoleon's retreat from Moscow, Lee's retreat to Appomattox and MacArthur's retreat from the Yalu come to mind. The British Empire abandoned India in 1947 -- and a Muslim-Hindu bloodbath ensued.

France's departure from Indochina was ignominious, and her abandonment of hundreds of thousands of faithful Algerians to the FALN disgraceful. Few American can forget the humiliation of Saigon '75, or the boat people, or the Cambodian holocaust.

Strategic retreats that turn into routs are often the result of what Lord Salisbury called "the commonest error in politics ... sticking to the carcass of dead policies."

From 1989 to 1991, with the collapse of the Soviet Empire and breakup of the U.S.S.R., America had an opportunity to lay down its global burden and become again what Jeane Kirkpatrick called "a normal country in a normal time."

We let the opportunity pass by, opting instead to use our wealth and power to convert the world to democratic capitalism. And we have reaped the reward of all the other empires that went before: A sinking currency, relative decline, universal enmity, a series of what Rudyard Kipling called "the savage wars of peace."

Yet, opportunity has come anew for America to shed its imperial burden and become again the republic of our fathers.

The chairman of Chiang Kai-shek's Kuomintang Party has just been hosted for six days by Beijing. Commercial flights have begun between Taipei and the mainland. Is not the time ripe for America to declare our job done, that the relationship between China and Taiwan is no longer a vital interest of the United States?

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's government wants a status of forces agreement with a timetable for full withdrawal of U.S. troops. Is it not time to say yes, to declare that full withdrawal is our goal as well, that the United States seeks no permanent bases in Iraq?

On July 4, Reuters, in a story headlined "Poland Rejects U.S. Missile Offer," reported from Warsaw: "Poland spurned as insufficient on Friday a U.S. offer to boost its air defenses in return for basing anti-missile interceptors on its soil. ...

"'We have not reached a satisfactory result on the issue of increasing the level of Polish security,' Prime Minister Donald Tusk told a news conference after studying the latest U.S. proposal."

Tusk is demanding that America "provide billions of dollars worth of U.S. investment to upgrade Polish air defenses in return for hosting 10 two-stage missile interceptors," said Reuters.

Reflect if you will on what is going on here.

By bringing Poland into NATO, we agreed to defend her against the world's largest nation, Russia, with thousands of nuclear weapons. Now the Polish regime is refusing us permission to site 10 anti-missile missiles on Polish soil, unless we pay Poland billions for the privilege.

Has Uncle Sam gone senile?

No. Tusk has Sam figured out. The old boy is so desperate to continue in his Cold War role as world's Defender of Democracy he will even pay the Europeans -- to defend Europe.

Why not tell Tusk that if he wants an air defense system, he can buy it; that we Americans are no longer willing to pay Poland for the privilege of defending Poland; that the anti-missile missile deal is off. And use cancellation of the missile shield to repair relations with a far larger and more important power, Vladimir Putin's Russia.

Consider, too, the opening South Korea is giving us to end our 60-year commitment to defend her against the North. For weeks, Seoul hosted anti-American protests against a trade deal that allows U.S. beef into South Korea. Koreans say they fear mad-cow disease.

Yet, when a new deal was cut to limit imports to U.S. beef from cattle less than 30 months old, that too was rejected by the protesters. Behind the demonstrations lies a sediment of anti-Americanism.

In 2002, a Pew Research Center survey of 42 nations found 44 percent of South Koreans, second highest number of any country, holding an unfavorable view of the United States. A Korean survey put the figure at 53 percent, with 80 percent of youth holding a negative view. By 39 percent to 35 percent, South Koreans saw the United States as a greater threat than North Korea.

Can someone explain why we keep 30,000 troops on the DMZ of a nation whose people do not even like us?

The raison d'etre for NATO was the Red Army on the Elbe. It disappeared two decades ago. The Chinese army left North Korea 50 years ago. Yet NATO endures and the U.S. Army stands on the DMZ. Why?

Because, if all U.S. troops were brought home from Europe and Korea, 10,000 rice bowls would be broken. They are the rice bowls of politicians, diplomats, generals, journalists and think tanks who would all have to find another line of work.

And that is why the Empire will endure until disaster befalls it, as it did all the others.

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Not sure I agree.
If, as Mr. Buchanan states, America has tried to use power and wealth to convert the world into democratic capitalist states, you could certainly fool me. I think what we have been doing for most of the past forty or so years is walking... and now running away from our own democracy and capitalism.

Hard to Argue Against
Good sense.

A pullout from S. Korea, and closure of many of our military bases in Europe and elsewhere is long past due (by at least twenty years). With threat of nuclear holocaust from Russia substantially diminished, and our vastly improved logistical strategies for rapid deployment of smaller forces of troops from their U.S. bases, there is no good reason to keep pumping money down a dry hole.

As Pat points out, foreign politicians and other feeders from the U.S. taxpayer funded public trough are the only people who will suffer.

Too Much...
Common sense here, Mr. Buchanan. Tread lightly.

neocon messianic ferver will bankrupt us
Sitting here on my frontporch, glass of port in hand, serenaded by the melody of birds chirping in nearly trees, I ponder the sad state of affairs that has befallen the Empire.

Just kidding, somewhat anyway.

GREAT quotation by Buchanan: Polish Prime Minister Tusk has the old boy(Uncle Sam)so figured out that Tusk "understands the old boy is so desperate to continue in his Cold War role as Defender of Democracy that he will even pay Europeans...to defend Europe".

What a deal!

These folks didn't just fall off the turnip truck.

But Uncle Sam may have.

When the Cold War ended, the neocons, unable to convince Bush 41 or Clinton, succeeded in duping a largely ignorant G.W. Bush that the new unipolar world where we reigned supreme offered a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to recast the Muslim world(using force if necessary)in our image.

The invasion of Iraq was but the first installment on that process.

But, alas, all did not go as envisioned by the neocons.

Of course Buchanan is correct.

Our arrogance in deeming unto ourselves how peoples arrange their societies and governments will bankrupt us, and cause much of the world to despise us in the process.

Jerebaub, glass of port at 6:58 a.m.?

I thought i was the only one; may i join you?

Or was that the part you were kidding about? If you continue with the port throughout the day, should we discount your posts accordingly as the day goes on? ;)

Pat, thank you for once no anti-semitic
unnecessary obiter dicta thrown in. I didn't think you were able to at least temporarily heal that addiction.

I agree with Pat's every word in this column.

We have been an empire since McKinley and his Spanish-American War, making bases in Phillipines, Cuba [read gitmo], Puerto Rico, Guam, and then of course we had to have a bigger navy to guard these ports, and then more ports to shelter the larger navy, etc., ad nauseum.

Strong defense? Hell yes.

My sentiments, exactly.
Well done Pat, now why don't you openly come out and support Bob Barr for POTUS.

Ron Paul might have been the Republican nominee had you, and the rest of the 'conservative' media who didn't like Juan, Obama or Hillary, given RP the same amount of time & space you gave Mex McCain after the other Republicans dropped out of the primaries.

So Mr. Buchanan, redeem yourself. Publicly get behind Bob Barr the way ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, etc, back Obama... and Fox supports Juan, Mexico's favorite candidate.

Pat
When I read your articles,sometimes it is better than "Sex".Americans who do not travel the world, have no "Clue" of it's nature.Please get a "Passport"!Consumers are what "US" are pursuing in an effort to support American business.While this is a "Laudable" goal,it can not be the controlling factor.Machiavelli showed us what happens when "Empire" is the order of the day.Have "US" not learned?

Yo "dc" from Utah
You errored in your last sentence: "I think what we have been doing for most of the past forty or so years is walking... and now running away from our own democracy and capitalism."

You should have said our government for the past 40 years has been running away from our own REPUBLIC!" One thing The Founders did NOT want to establish in the country was/is a democracy.

Because this once free republic slid into a democracy is a major reason for our many problems today.

It was a libel that Pat...
... hated Jews. But I'm beginning to think he has a real grudge against Poland.

Nobody said that Pat hated
Jews; I said that many of his comments go beyond being anti-state of Israel, and into anti-semitism. I don't know his internal feelings toward invidual Jewish people.

Gahotdog: Ron Paul was not going to be POTUS; neither is Bob Barr. Don't throw your vote away, vote for the lesser of 2 evils, McCain. Especially since they're saying it will be tight in GA.

TEN TRILLION DOLLAR DEBT CAN'T BE WRONG!
The worst part is, these neo-con and neo-com globalist sellouts have pushed the national debt to almost 10 TRILLION dollars! What more proof do we need of the failure of the policies of these globalist hogs stuffing themselves at the public trough? How in the world does a country ever dig out of such a hole? But Pat's right, at least we need to try, and elimination of expenditures to protect the backsides of ingrates is a good start.

Buchanan's mistakes in 1st paragraph
"McArthur's retreat from Yalu" -- actually, American retreat from Yalu was after Truman fired McArthur and Mao decided to mount a purge.

"The British Empire abandoned India in 1947 -- and a Muslim-Hindu bloodbath ensued." -- actually, the bloodbath was already in process starting at "Great Calcutta Killing" staged by Muslim League in 1946, as well as riots in various cities (Noakhali, Lahore, Lyallpur, Montgomery, Ambala, Karnal, ...); Britain's withdrawal at that time was in recognition that they were no longer able to hold it.

jerabaub y Joseph


jerabaub
Location: FL

Reply # 8
Date: Jul 25, 2008 - 6:58 AM EST Subject: neocon messianic ferver will bankrupt us
Sitting here on my frontporch, glass of port in hand, serenaded by the melody of birds chirping in nearly trees, I ponder the sad state of affairs that has befallen the Empire.

~~~

Joseph
Location: MA

Reply # 7
Date: Jul 25, 2008 - 8:24 AM EST Jerebaub, glass of port at 6:58 a.m.?

I thought i was the only one; may i join you?


~~~

You guys are too cool !!!

I too, enjoy the nectar of the Gods after work. I also love watching the birds early in the morning.

I have several feeders, for a variety of birds.

Black Sunflower Seeds for the big seed eaters, mix for the smaller seed eaters, suet for the Woodpecker family, sugar water for the Hummingbirds, and chunks of fruit for the Orioles and their ilk.

Surprise!! I see hundreds, if not thousands of Starlings. Thank you, you A** Shakespeare aficionado, of circa 1890, for importing them.

In my case, it is after work. My schedule is from 6:00 PM to 6:00 AM.

I am able to relax at the very best time of day for me.

The birds are starting their work, and I am done with mine, for the day.

I have, over the years, seen several behaviors that are not described in the Peterson Bird books.

Amused I am.


Ratas y Ratones,

Rats
(and mice)


I suggest that everyone obtain and read the entire "Empire" series of books be Isaac Azimov.

Why? This series written several years ago, perfectly describe the horror we are facing.

Reverting to my native language,

"It Ain't Pretty ! "

The Rat





Joseph; Ratas y Ratones
Just got back from grocery shopping and saw your post(8:24).

Never too early.

Ratas and Ratones, thank you for understanding the importance of listening to the birds, and imbibing the nectar of the Gods.

What price the good life?
You'll do anything and everything just to hold on to your selfish lifestyles, won't you? If the US had an empire, it was economic, not colonial. Would you let it be replaced by a Chinese or Moslem one. Foolish question - of course you would. You're all too busy enjoying the "nectar of the Gods." If you think we can still do business with everyone and enjoy the good life while disavowing all our political and military responsibilities, you are in for a very unpleasant surprise.

Enjoy your "nectar of the gods" while you can. It's offensive to Moslem fanatics and might make them mad, and you wouldn't want to do that, would you? "Listening to the birds" is important? I'm not surprised. People like all of you are certainly for the birds.

P. J. Buk-Non...

Buk-Non , you sly guy.

Writing all those 'clums' under the 'nom de plume' of "P. J. Wirs."

Patrick J. Buk-non... Hmmm.

Too close to Patrick J. Wirs. Are you, one and the same ?

I suspect we will start spoofing your 'clums' now.

'Clum' ? I can't call this a column.

OBTW, what is this thingy about 'Toe Sucking' ?

I have seen a few references to it over time.

Is this a good thing? Where did this come from, and why do some rude people keep mentioning it ?

Is it as good as Limburger Cheese?

Do you follow it with crackers.

Just curious,

Rats
(and mice)



This is one column I agree with
from Pat Buchanan. Why the he!! are we still defending Europe, South Korea, & Japan? The answer is obvious.

Our two major parties are totally infected with the New World Order/One World Government agenda of the internationalists. They have squandered our resources, weakened our military, subverted our sovereignty, and mortgaged the future of our children to help pay for this socialist utopia.

How many more times will we vote the lesser of two evils, always hoping for the different result that never has materialized, and never will? The only we hope we have is to deny the elites that which they desire above all else, the Presidency. Only an Independent President, loyal to the Constitution and the American people, will begin the process of restoring Constitutional self-government. Another lesser of two evils election will only give us more of the same: more big government, declining personal freedoms, and greater influence to these internationalists who hate America!

The elites have perpetrated the biggest scam ever, and the DEM/GOP/MSM propaganda machines have convinced the American people of the myth that there are no other choices, nowhere else to go.

I urge any of you who want to understand this theft of our birthright to visit my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG. It is the one place where you will see clearly how this was done to us and what we must do to reclaim our inheritance. The time to reject the traitors who inhabit Washington has come and we must not shrink from the task ahead. Check out the site, why not? We are the rightful owners of this great nation and we should re-assert our authority to govern ourselves as a free people. Thanks, Joe

Patty...
Pat
Location: AZ

Reply # 2
Date: Jul 25, 2008 - 10:40 AM EST What price the good life?
You'll do anything and everything just to hold on to your selfish lifestyles, won't you? If the US had an empire, it was economic, not colonial. Would you let it be replaced by a Chinese or Moslem one. Foolish question - of course you would. You're all too busy enjoying the "nectar of the Gods." If you think we can still do business with everyone and enjoy the good life while disavowing all our political and military responsibilities, you are in for a very unpleasant surprise.

Enjoy your "nectar of the gods" while you can. It's offensive to Moslem fanatics and might make them mad, and you wouldn't want to do that, would you? "Listening to the birds" is important? I'm not surprised. People like all of you are certainly for the birds.

~~~

"Cow Patty"

Kind Sir or Madam. I do not give a rats' behind what any Fanatic thinks.

My reponse to every Fanatic is the same.

55 grains at 2800 FPS, with very cautious and careful guidance.

And, by the way, I am NEVER too busy to enjoy the Nectar Of The Gods.

I also watch another gift of the Gods, Birds.

I do also appreciate you. Night-flying rodents, such as yourself, eat many insects.

Thank you for your contribution.


Rats
(and mice)

OOOOPS !!


Sorry Pat.

I got you confused with the other doofus, 'Morris The Cat'

Please accept my apologies on the toe-sucking thing.

You may prefer other objects.


The barn Rat


More isolationist paleocon nonsense
Wendall Wilkie couldn't stop FDR, but he saved the Republican party from isolationist idiocy. Give him credit...

Hey folks, you want to sit back and watch the world burn? You'd best stand prepared when the thugs come knocking. If you think the military budget is currently high, imagine the cost of protecting America from constant bombardment from a world gone mad. Stop complaining about the Patriot Act. It will be much worse with America on the defensive.


Buchanan writes:
"...And use cancellation of the missile shield to repair relations with a far larger and more important power, Vladimir Putin's Russia."

More appeasement rhetoric, goody goody. The paleocons are so blind to ignore the threat posed by Vladimir (Ras)Putin. Absolute naievette!

Allow me to quote a real intellectual:

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last" - Winston Churchill

Bottom line: the bad guys (and I mean BAD) won't leave other countries alone. Neither should we.

America the great enabler
Imagine if the Europeans had showed the same courage that Maliki is demonstrating. If in 1951 or 1952 they had said to us "Hey, thanks United States. You stopped us from exterminating the Jews, you kept the Russians from conquering us, you propped us up economically with the Marshall Plan. Thanks! But now we need to take responsibility for our own defense. No, this won't happen over night, but let's work out a plan to do it."

Instead, to use therapy-talk, we have "enabled" the Europeans to remain perpetual adolescents with all the priveleges of adult nations which can defend themselves, and none of the responsibilities.

The Euro's are like the thirty year old who is still living with Mom & Dad, resentful, entitled, and immature. However, we have only ourselves to blame.

America is a great country, but we can't change the world by force even if we wanted to. We need to step back and give Germany, France and the rest of Euroland as well as Japan, Korea and Israel a chance to grow up. No, not all at once, but carefully, taking advantage of opportunities as they present themselves.

Maliki has given us a great opportunity. Let's take advantage of it. If he was just playing games, wasn't serious, well ... tough toots. Sorry if the run you through the wood chipper, Mr. Malike. Words have consequences in the adult world.

Absolutely right!
Right on, Maximilian: "Bottom line: the bad guys (and I mean BAD) won't leave other countries alone. Neither should we."

The world is WAY too complex and dangerous for the only people not looking to savage the rest to stay home and do nothing. Doesn't anyone remember 9/11/2001? The barbarians/crocodiles will show up at our gates eventually.

PB's article makes many good points, but the implied conclusion that "if we mind our own business, everything will be fine," is just, well, too Buchananian.

ct-tom
Thanks

Taiwan
The US does nothing for Taiwan. It SELLS weapons to Taiwan, weapons Taiwan has to purchase and compared to sales of the weapons to other countries like the Saudis--overcharged. Look at the prices the Saudis paid for the F16A/B and what Taiwan paid for them.

The US has NO obligation to protect Taiwan. The TRA simply requires the US to sell weapons of a defensive nature to Taiwan. If a conflict broke out between Taiwan and China the US is under no obligation to show up--it has always left its intentions unclear on this point.

To China: "Don't try to force Taiwan to reunify or we may show up."

To Taiwan: "Don't declare independence or do anything to imply you are going to declare independence or we might not."

Yes. That snake Lian Zhan with 61 other KMT traitors went to Beijing and made deals with Hu Jintao as Chen was still President. They all should have tried for treason once they returned and sent directly to Green Island (the site of a once infamous prison for political prisoners). And yes, charter flights have begin between Taiwan and China, but this is nothing new, just the frequency. Flights during Chinese New Year have been going on for years.

With 30,000 Americans living in Taiwan and as one of the largest trading partners of the US, I'd think Taiwan is still vital to the US. Of course Pat, is a twit so perhaps he is unaware of these facts.

You are right Pat
"Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's government wants a status of forces agreement with a timetable for full withdrawal of U.S. troops. Is it not time to say yes, to declare that full withdrawal is our goal as well, that the United States seeks no permanent bases in Iraq? "

Diplomacy has been in short supply in this administration. We have frittered away any strategic advantage in Iraq while losing momentum in Afganistan. Time to do what is the right thing to do, not what is vetted by the inner circle.


Korea
A pull out from the ROK would probably make the DPRK that the US was about to attack and then it would preemptively attack Japan and/or the ROK--none of these is in the interest of the US. Japanese bases allow the US to project power into the region--e.g. the Taiwan Strait, etc. and the forces there so the US can project power not to protect Japan--they were never in Japan to protect Japan even during the Cold War.

European bases have been used in the raid on Libya, the war in Bosnia and Kosovo, and the Gulf War and have been used as key rear areas in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq just as Japan served as a rear area during the Korean War.

Pat is too dense to understand this as well.

Korea
svpallava:

The US was routed from the Yalujiang (means Green Duck River in case you were curious) in November of 1950--the largest retreat in US military history. He was fired on April 11, 1951--months after the Chinese crushed the American lines near the Yalujiang.

In the case of Europe and Japan...
"Why the he!! are we still defending Europe, South Korea, & Japan? The answer is obvious."

You aren't.

Japan allows the US to project power in a region that is important to it and Europe does the same as well as allowing it to project power in areas near Europe as it did on the raid on Libya in the 1980s and again in Bosnia and Kosovo and the Gulf War and today in Iraq and Afghanistan serving as key rear areas.




Akagi! Good stuff, man Att Everyone
I'll back you on your Historical/Geopolitical-Military sense--you are often right on.
On the COPA thread, though, on Free Speech, you're out to lunch.

Flat(ulent) Pat is an Isolationist Moron, damn shame really because he was/is right about the Mexican Invasion. Isolationism, however, hasn't been a viable (use your best Rush does Henry Kissinger voice here) Foreign Policy, since Lucky Lindy landed in Paris.

H.Beam Piper wrote a story in 61 in which the Dept. Defense had been renamed "The Department of Aggression" and had the twin mottoes (sp?) "Stop Trouble Before It Starts" and "If we have to fight let's do in on the other fellow's real estate."
Flat Earth Pat fails to grasp this elementary principle. Free peoples either PROJECT power or they do not remain free. And before you say "Switzerland"--they project ECONOMIC power making themselves, like Hong Kong, a little too useful to screw with. Politics abhors a Power Vacuum, and if American Might Protecting American Liberty doesn't fill it, Somebody else's Tyranny THREATENING American Liberty will.
The Big Mick

What I really think
is that ML King and Abe Lincoln were/are right.
The World cannot long endure half slave and half free, and a threat to Liberty anywhere is a threat to Liberty everywhere is a threat to MINE. In the end, we are either going to have to make Americans (the old fasioned Democratic, Free Market Republic LIMITED Government kind) of such of the rest of the World as is willing and kill off the Proto-Tyrant rest.
The stinking little Nazi bastids will NOT leave us alone otherwise. Liberty and Free Market Prosperity will ALWAYS be threats to those who reject Liberty and Free Markets, for whatever Dark Age cultural reasons. You either convert em or destroy them, no third option is viable.

The big mick

American governance is good
Our sinking currency is the levying of a world wide tax to pay for our military protection; business, culture, finance, innovation, and technology transfers; world universities, bribes, and governance.

Relative decline in many areas has been our intent as the rising tide of our transfers lifts all boats. Yet we are still first in all of these areas. All speak English. Mutually assured destruction still keeps the peace. We have attracted enough smart people to form the world's largest pool of brains.

Foreigners are using their depreciating dollars to buy interests in our corporations and to use K Street to buy congressional and bureaucratic influence, giving them representation for their dollar-inflation taxes, and allaying incipient threats of revolt.

Universal enmity is to be expected from people who see that our dominance signifies their inferiority. All must learn English to be educated and entertained and to conduct business, government, and research.

A series of the savage wars of peace is also a cost of governing our empire. Each has a dominant purpose. WWI was to establish a League of Nations. WWII was to get the atom bomb first, before Germany. Korea was to try to establish a UN army. Vietnam to provide cover for disestablishment of Christianity and Jim Crow. Afghanistan and Iraq to keep the dollar first and to assure oil supplies. And in every war and garrison, to spread American ways.

America has created a very wealthy, peaceful world to dominate, now and for the foreseeable future, for its efforts.

CT-Tom is wrong
ct-tom,yes i remember 9/11/2001 the day that al-qaeda attacked the United States after repeated warnings over the years to remove our troops from Saudi soil or else.

We Cannot Be the World's Policeman
Pat is right and I don't often agree with him. The U.S. needs to reconsider where we have and where we send our troops. Bringing them back is harder than ending a stale relationship. The WWII and Cold Water era has ended and we live in a new reality of ICBMs and rapid deployment forces. We cannot give the green light to Israel to clean up the threat from Iran because we have too much exposure in the region. Ronald Reagan learned a valuable lesson from the marines in Lebanon: it is better to put missiles in their tents than troops on their soil.

Let us finish what we started in Iraq and leave, the democracy will grow or not grow. Then letus leave Germany and South Korea to defend themselves, NATO will either work or it will fail.

H Paul
The US is not in Germany to protect Germany, the US is in Germany to project power in areas near Germany like the Middle East and serve as a key rear area to that region--where do you think the wounded from Afghanistan and Iraq go before they come home? To Germany.

Europe was used as bases in attacks on Libya, on Kosovo and Bosnia and on Iraq during the Gulf War. While the US could withdraw from the ROK and much of the responsibilty of the DMZ is now the the ROK troops, a total pull out of the ROK or a total pull back from the DMZ would signal to the DPRK that the US was about to start an air campaign against them (pulling its troops out of harms way) and to stop this the DPRK would need to attack first--either Japan or the ROK or both. This is not in the US interest, so it is much better to have the 30,000 troops in Korea than a war.

Why he put the Taiwan stuff in there is beyond me--the US has no troops in Taiwan and hasn't since 1978 (and most of US troops were out by 1971). Outside of weapons sales which Taiwan is gouged for and sailing some battlegroups near by in 1995-1996 during the so-called Third Taiwan Strait crisis and then again this year during the recent elections in March, the US has done very little for Taiwan in the last 30 years.




Akagi San
Dear Akagi,

I am one of your fans!


Your knowledge of Asian history amazes me.

Many posters slight you, because of your attitude, but your clear and prescient knowledge of facts, plans, and long term agenda, shows you to be a person that is fully aware of the conditions that are shaping our new world.

Please do not 'trash' others who are not up to your capabilities, though, as many folks do not have your skills or knowledge.

I visited your fine Country twice, in the 1960s. I was at Kaosiung and Taipei. Both times, I met lovely, friendly people who were far more aware of what was happening in the world than, our group.

I say, Sir, Keep up your good work of educating the ignorant masses !

I am an olde pharte, and I am potentially powerless, but you seem to be younger, and can do wonders to spread the truth.

I humbly suggest that you lighten your tone. I know you have knowledge far exceeding our own, but you would win many friends if you could just ease up, and be a little more friendly.

I do understand the frustration of explaining facts to the totally ignorant.

I am an Electrical Engineer, and have to deal with this problem, on a daily basis.


The Ancient Rat

(sorry, I forgot your neat name for rodents)

ct-tom says:
"[T]he implied conclusion [of this column is] that 'if we mind our own business, everything will be fine,' is just, well, too Buchananian."

I don't see this implication. If we mind our own business, terrible things are going to happen in the world. If we forcefully engage in other countries, terrible things are still going to happen in this world.

Pre-Cold War, this nation had a tradition of minding its own business. This stems from individual liberty, the cornerstone, keystone, and bedrock of traditional American values. Individual liberty is a contract: people will leave you alone as long as you are willing to leave them alone.

The real implication of this column is that after a half-century of the Cold War, New Deal, Great Frontier and Great Society, Americans don't want to be bound by the individual liberty contract, and this is reflected in our foreign policy.

Classical Signs
Huge debt,(much financed by unfriendly countries, really dumb), unsure hand in most of our international actions(how long would Gen. Patton have allowed Al-Sadr to exist), hedonism as the goal in life for most, bizarre government welfare schemes, corruption being the modus operandi of most in business and government, AND THE EMPIRE BECOMING FEMININE IN NATURE(always happens in the life cycle of empires). Adrift in every category, really. FINI.

Honorable Exit
Well, Pat, congratulations. For the first time in weeks you have written a sensible article.

The Poles, and all the Europeans, have taken advantage of our generosity for more than sixty years. They spend very little on their own defense. It's time for that to change. One must also question the validity and effectiveness of NATO. Because the Europeans have neglected their defense for so long, I suspect their weapons and tactics are weak and obsolete, and I think they would find it difficult to integrate effectively with the modern U.S. military.

On the other hand, it seems dangerous to assume Russia will remain a benevolent, gentle, backward giant. Her oil and energy wealth will be enormous and will easily fund a resurgent nationalism and a desire for greater participation and prestige in world affairs. Expect them to become great pals with Iran, Venezuela, and China, thereby checking the dominance of the U.S.

The Koreans can go to hell. South Korea has more than enough money and manpower to defend itself against Kim Jung Mentally Ill. We pay too much attention to the Great Leader and only enhance a prestige he should never have had in the first place.

Don't know about the rapprochement between China and Taiwan. A unified China would greatly increase its ability to project power in the Pacific. I must also question whether Taiwan's freedom would survive the unification. The loss of freedom in Taiwan would be a setback for the U.S.

Patrick Mikes
Troy, MI

We Don't Own the World....
As a libertarian, I usually find Buchanan's articles a breath of fresh air on TH, a site dominated by crazed Neocons who think the US owns the world. Today is no exception.

If the US withdraws from South Korea--a prosperous nation fully capable of defending itself--it is likely South and North would voluntarily reunite in short order, to everyone's great benefit. South Korea, with a huge industrial base and productive economy, no longer needs to fear the North--a backwards, poverty-stricken communist dictatorship.

Taiwan and China are opening trade and diplomatic relations, whether we want them to or not. Bully for them!

The US should launch a massive retreat from all the 140 or so countries in which it stations troops (there are only about 190 countries in the world, by the way). The mission of the US armed forces is to defend the US, not maintain imperial outposts on the far side of the globe.

It used to be said that the business of America is business. Not any more. Now, the business of America is empire. Eventually, trying to maintain an empire will bankrupt us--we are seeing some very obvious signs of that bankruptcy today, with the dollar [inflated beyond all proportion to pay for our wars and our welfare state] losing 40 percent of its value against the Euro.

We don't own the world. As the Founders were fond of saying: Free and open trade relations with all nations--entangling alliances with none.

Paolo
Taiwan has been trading with the PRC legally since 1987 and illegally before that. It has no official relations with each other and won't as long as China continues its stance on Taiwan first agreeing to the "One China Principle." It has had unofficial contacts via the ARATS (PRC) and the SEF (Taiwan). In 2005, former Vice President and twice presidential candidate (2000, 2004) and head of the KMT (Lian Zhan) along with 61 other KMT traitors visited the PRC and signed agreements with Hu Jintao (as head of the CCP, not as head of the PRC) while Chen Shui-bian was president--this in my view was treason.

The US does nothing for Taiwan save sell it over priced weapon systems--why Taiwan is even part of this discussion of a US pull back is beyond me--the US hasn't had troops on Taiwan since 1978--although it did send battlegroups off Taiwan in 1995-1996 and in 2008.

As for the ROK-DPRK, a US pullout would likely cause the DPRK to think the US was about to launch an airwar on the DPRK and it would then preemtively attack either Japan and/or the ROK--causing Korean War II---this is not in the US interest. And the last thing the ROK wants now is a quick unification between it and the DPRK--it wants a gradual unfication so the economic and social conditions of the DPRK can atleast get somewhat closer to that of the ROK. The ROK dropped dreams of a quick unification when it saw the costs the FRG had to bear when the GDR was unified. And the GDR was a first rate economy compared to the DPRK.

In many cases the US are in those countries to pursue its own interests--i.e. project power and much easier to project power into the East China Sea from Japan than from Hawai'i. Europe serves as key bases for operations in the Middle East and Southern Europe as well as key rear areas for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The US are in these places for US goals, not the host country. The US was never in Japan to protect Japan for example.

Ratas
It is Laoshu (you can add Xiao for small--mice and Da for big--rats. In Chinese mice and rats are the same word--same as goats and sheep--yang). So Xiao Laoshu and Da Laoshu--you can alsi use gen for and so Da Laoshu gen Xiao Laoshu.

Buck:

The flooding was in the far eastern parts of counties in the Southwest that border the high mountians like Kaohsiung County, Maili, Yunlin, Chai-i, Tainan, etc. If you'd like I'll post a link to a Taiwan map showing the counties.

Isolationist
An Isolationist is the guy who wont get involved when the victim of the drunken wife wife beater next door comes banging on his door in the middle of the night. Not my problem, I mind my own business. Of course when the poor woman is finaly done in ole Pat will be the first to ask what she did to deserve it. The purpose of these alliances is to protect America from afar. Ask yourselves this; would it had been better to stop Bin Laden before 9-11 or react after. If someone is threatening you and your family do you wait until he is in your house or do you go after him on his turf? Do you meet him in your driveway on in your living room? This isolationist fairyland that Pat and his cohorts believes in does not exist and hasnt for a long time. One would think that would be obvious after Pearl Harbor was bombed and especially after 9-11-01 but some lessons are just never learned.

Missiles to Poland
Buchanan may not have been living, when Poland, with promises of help from England and France, had enough of Hitler and stood firm. Of course, without the modern equipment of the Nazis, and without the promised assistance from England and France, Poland was overwhelmed by attacks from both sides, Germany and Russia. Even so Poland provided the fourth largest group of troops to assist the Allies is winning the war. Then, betrayed at Yalta, Poland fell under the joke of Stalin for many years. Now it needs military assistance to protect itself from its arch enemy Russia, which keeps making threatening commercial and supply retaliatory moves. Our financial assistance in modernizing their forces and other areas is needed.

Our country has provided other nations with billions especially Israel why not Poland?

Follow the money
Pat, the reason is that too many powerful people make too much money for themselves and their friends from the status quo. Basically, they are enriching themselves on the lives and livelihoods of the American people.
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