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Tuesday, April 29, 2008
Pat Buchanan :: Townhall.com Columnist
Will the Right Sit It Out?
by Pat Buchanan
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If John McCain wins the presidency, his comeback -- after the bankrupt debacle his campaign had become in the summer of 2007 with his backing of the amnesty bill -- will be the stuff of legend.

And as nominee, he is entitled to conduct his own campaign and be cut slack by a party whose brand name is now Enron.

That said, McCain seems to have decided to win by love-bombing the Big Media and putting miles between himself and the base.

Consider his "Forgotten Places" tour of last week.

It began in Selma, Ala., where McCain went to Edmund Pettis Bridge to hail John Lewis and the marchers night-sticked and hosed down by the Alabama State Troopers on the Montgomery march for voting rights.

Now that was a seminal movement in the fight for civil rights.

But this is not 1965. Today, John Lewis is a big dog in the "No-Whites-Need-Apply!" Black Caucus. The Rev. Jeremiah Wright is sermonizing White America. The Rev. Al Sharpton is trying to shut down the Big Apple. And the fight for equal rights is being led by Ward Connerly.

With no help from McCain, Connerly is trying to put on five state ballots a Civil Rights Initiative that declares white men are also equal and not to be denied their civil rights because of the color of their skin.

And where does McCain stand?

From Selma, McCain went to the Gee's Bend Quilters Collective, where black ladies make the famous blankets. The stop could not but call to mind the hundreds of thousands of textile and apparel jobs in the Carolinas and Georgia lost after NAFTA and Most-Favored Nation for China, both of which McCain enthusiastically supported.

McCain's next stop was Inez, Ky., where LBJ declared war on poverty. But LBJ's war was a politically motivated scheme to shift wealth and power to government, which led to a pathological dependency among America's poor, his own abdication and Ronald Reagan's 1980 campaign against Big Government that ushered in the Conservative Decade.

McCain then went to New Orleans to backhand Bush for failing to act swiftly to rescue the victims of Katrina.

But the real failure of New Orleans was of the corrupt and incompetent regime of Mayor Ray Nagin and the men of New Orleans, who left 30,000 women and children stranded in a sea of stagnant water.

No doubt Bush hit the snooze button, but why the piling on?

Then McCain headed up to Youngstown, Ohio, to tell the folks their jobs are never coming back and NAFTA was a sweet deal.

But why, when America's mini-mills and steel mills are among the most efficient on earth -- in terms of man hours needed to produce a ton of steel -- aren't those jobs coming back?

Answer: It is due to the free-trade policies of Bush and McCain, which permit trade rivals to impose value-added taxes of 15 percent to 20 percent on steel imports from the United States while rebating those taxes on steel exports to the United States. We are getting it in the neck coming and going.

An America First trade and tax policy could have U.S. steel mills rising again, while those in Japan, China, Russia and Brazil would be shutting down as uncompetitive in the U.S. market.

But we no longer put America first.

The U.S. government burns its incense at the altar of the Global Economy. The losers are those guys in Youngstown McCain was lecturing on the beauty of NAFTA. And the winners are the CEOs who pull down seven-, eight- and even nine-figure annual packages selling out their country for the corporation.

Does McCain think $6 trillion in trade deficits since NAFTA, a dollar rotting away and 3.5 million manufacturing jobs lost under Bush was all inevitable? Does he think we can do nothing to stop the deindustrialization of a country that used to produce 96 percent of all it consumed?

Why should those guys in Youngstown vote for McCain?

So the feds can teach them how to shovel snow?

Even Hillary, whose husband did NAFTA with Newt Gingrich and Bob Dole's help, now gets it.

Then McCain took a time out to denounce the North Carolina GOP for ads tying the Rev. Wright to Obama, and the pair to two Democratic congressional candidates. To their credit, the North Carolinians told McCain where to get off and are running the ads.

What does a McCain victory mean for conservatives?

Probably a veto on tax hikes and perhaps a fifth justice like Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito or John Roberts, to turn two pair into a full house. Fifty years after Warren, it could be game, set, match for the right.

But McCain may also mean more Middle East wars, more bellicosity, more manufacturing jobs lost, malingering in the culture wars, and more illegal aliens and amnesty.

In Pennsylvania, thousands of Republicans re-registered to vote Democratic, and 27 percent of the GOP votes went to Mike Huckabee or Ron Paul. McCain may just stretch this rubber band so far it snaps back in his face.

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McCain and war?
I doubt Buchanan's argument that McCain will start more wars. He is a warrior and knows that we don't have the national stomach for it. I think we have to make the best we can of the situation. I still think that Romney had the chops to turn around much of what Buchanan complains about. But the voters spoke, and we have to pull together to prevent a greater evil.

Answer is no, but...
No, I will not sit out the election, but I will not vote for McCain!!!!!! I will write-in vote or vote 3rd party!

Oh, yeah! My wife will do likewise since I'm the head of the household and votes how I say...which should be law since most women are too emotional to vote logically.

Time for men to become men again and assume the leadership roles God has given them...

$.02
No way in hell I'll vote for McCain. I will vote for the Congress and Senate plus local but McCain will not get my vote. Pat, please run for the Senate in Va.

spirit crow, what is with this?
"My wife will do likewise since I'm the head of the household and votes how I say...which should be law since most women are too emotional to vote logically. Time for men to become men again and assume the leadership roles God has given them..."

Sorry, but that is a complete crock! Of course it has nothing to do with the article anyway...guess your emotions got the best of you, huh?

Mr. Buchanon, five stars on this one!
Thank you, thank you for NOT going the Townhall RINOgram route! You have described McCain to a "t". I am literally sickened by the fact that he has been proclaimed the inevitable "conservative" nominee. Personally I would like to see his Straight Talk Express derailed at the convention, with thousands of delegates refusing to reward him with the nomination. Millions of conservatives will not vote for McCain...but I believe they will vote down ticket for true conservative candidates (and either write in or vote Libertarian or Constitutional Party for President.)

Mc Cain Never !!!
An Excellent article Pat. George W. Bush, John Mc Cain and a do nothing Republican controlled congress did it for me.
I am supporting a few conservative Republican members of congress but for president the man I voted for in the primaries gets my vote.
Speaking of Pennsylvania I read the figures on how many voter's have left the Republican Party thanks to the likes of Mc Cain, George Bush as well as senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania.

The lesser of two evils?
Lot's of people are trying to tell me I HAVE to vote for McCain because the alternative is so much worse.

Uh huh. So if Mussolini ran against Hitler, I'd have some sacred duty to vote for Benito?

As I recall Congress' approval rating is somewhere in the 30's, but the re-election rate is somewhere in the 90's. Seems like a lot of people are voting for folks they don't like, and look at the results...

If I wanted to destroy America
I could not come up with any better policies that has come to be placed on this nation since NAFTA and the intentional debt and the inflationary destruction of the Federal Reserve paper we wrongfully call dollars.
No better method exists than what these sorry so called Americans like GW Bush and John McCain support.
Not even to mention the 30 to 40 million people here working and using false identity papers, screwing the system for the future, let alone today.
I count Bush and McCain, Obama Hussein and Klinton as all enemies of the America I have always believed in.



Par writes:
An America First trade and tax policy could have U.S. steel mills rising again, while those in Japan, China, Russia and Brazil would be shutting down as uncompetitive in the U.S. market.

But we no longer put America first.

War on Terror, ha ha, its war on America
I no longer have one ounce of faith in anything GW Bush says, he is a liar and intentional liar, working to bring America under globalist rule, and I hate his guts for being the traitor he is.

Way too much evidence, and I know we will never hear a confession from the crooked liar, but his actions and policies continue to sell out this country.
All the while he works against the Constitution he swore an oath to protect by supporting a crime wave and an invasion of this country.

He is a despicable, lying, low down traitor and I would be very happy to be proven wrong.

I believe nothing he says, absolutely nothing, and that is hard for me to even say, but it is the truth.
He has destroyed my faith in him by his deeds and support for crime.



Not sitting it out
Now it's my turn to be the maverick and step across the isle!

I'll be writing in Ron Paul...
There's only one candidate out of the group that I'd like to see become President. (that would be Ron Paul) I agree with his positions on most of the issues & agree with him on EVERY ISSUE that matters to me. That makes it too important to be sitting it out even if somebody else does win. I detest voting 'lesser of two evils' when there's an excellent candidate available. Principles DO matter to some of us voters! Lose the 'globalism promoting' CFR candidates now or regret it later cause eventually voters will hate everything we associate with 'globalism' ruining our economy. This includes either party foisting it off on us.

ANOTHER NO ON McCAIN
Count me as another no vote for McCain. Yes for Pat running for Senate in VA. Is there a GOP in VA anymore? Help us, Pat. HELP!

McCain: The Man Without A Country !!
McCain is a lesson in CONTRASTS! He talks the talk but rarely ever walks the walk. He is a man without allegiance to anyone or anything except his own hubris and arrogance. He flip flops on position after position. He is like a ship on the High Seas that sails to and fro...because he is not grounded or anchored to any TRUTH. He tosses around words like patriotism and honor to the point where those words no longer have an honorable meaning but just become cheap words out of some cheap Hollywood movie.

McCain is like the Man Without a Country! He too should have been condemned to live out the remaining days of his life being shuffled from War Ship to War Ship...having been cast sentence upon...to sail the high seas without ever setting foot on his native soil again. Maybe then he would learn the true meaning of: DUTY, HONOR AND COUNTRY!!

I slightly disagree with Buchanan on part of this article though:

Buchanan writes:

"We are getting it in the neck coming and going."

Aslan writes:

We are getting it in the Gluteus Maximus coming and going!



ALL THREE ARE CFR....CANDIDATES !!!
Believe it or not, the only candidate who seems to get it or appears to get it if one were to listen to the RHETORIC is Hillary Clinton.

Obama and McCain seem lost in LA LA Land! Obama trashes the very blue collar people from Main street America he should be depending on and its not because he is a Black man but rather because he is an Elitist Snob!! Obama should have learned that this kind of Rhetoric is what got Howard Dean in trouble when he went to South Carolina and trashed those Good ole White Boys who carry shotguns in the back of their pick-up trucks and go to church on Sundays.

McCain is a broken record!! He already went to Michigan and Ohio and told those who lost their good jobs that those jobs will never come back. No wonder Michigan voters chose Romney! At least Romney has a Can Do ATTITUDE like Reagan had which said that along with American Ingenuity there is nothing we cannot do together! McCain doesn't even have a clue as to what kind of jobs should replace the ones that are being outsourced. He still just doesnt get it.....

Clinton on the other hand has learned from Bill and Senator Sherrod Brown. She feels YOUR pain. She even has ideas as to how to clip those Nafta wings. The big question is though....Will she look after American interests??

Its really hard to believe that any of these candidates will do anything meaningful though because they are all members of the CFR which raises questions about their TRUSTFULNESS ???
Also, they have not renounced their membership in this body. So, the real issue is TRUST ????
Thats why I too have decided to vote for RON PAUL for President by way of a write in vote.

GO RON PAUL....A MAN OF PRINCIPLE WHO CAN BE TRUSTED NO MATTER WHAT !!


TRUST is the real issue in this Race!???
How can anyone TRUST any of the candidates who belong to the elitist CFR??
How can anyone TRUST a member of the council on Foreign Relations??

Answer: They cannot be TRUSTED !!! So, the only thing you can TRUST is someone who is not a member of the CFR...

WILL THE RIGHT SIT IT OUT????
NO !!!

I SAY WE START A MOVEMENT TO:

RIGHT IN RON PAUL !!

WRITE IN RON PAUL !!

ONE VOTE, THATS ALL...WRITE IN RON PAUL!

The Three Stooges
I am not going to vote in this election. At the age of 66 it will be the first time for me to miss an election. None of them are worth the gas money to drive to the polls.

Allowing a Marxist President
McCain is not a Marxist. The two Dems are. It is unpatriotic to listen to Buchanan, who has various justified axes to grind with Bush and the big government Republicans. But folks, we need to vote for the one man who will take the fight to the Islamic Fascists. That man is McCain.

Throwing your vote away out of petulance will kill us all.

Also, nuke Iran NOW!

Pat is right
I believe in fair trade and for those idiots that are elected that means , its fair for the USA as well as the other country. I will never understand why the attack of good decent wage jobs have been shipped overseas or across the borders. Knowing our welfare education system is creating graduates that can barely spell, read or heck even express themselves verbally in any way that would be required by the so called higher paying jobs that these lopsided trade deals were suppose to create. We now have something like a 50 percent drop out rate in many major cities in the united states. If ever there was a need for middle to lower income jobs for Americans its now. I believe as many on here that the lack of shop class or skill set type prep classes is a shame and has to be reintroduced as well as the missing jobs that they would fill. Not everyone can be upper management running around trying to look busy.

This election Mccain may win by default , however it will be more of Barrack losing then Mccain winning. Mccain has no base, he has no core volunteer group that will do the needed tasks of late nights , phone calls , getting out the vote , bake sales , ladies knocking on doors. Mccain ironically has what he has always been a nuke warm semi GOP , semi demon-crat and he will be surrounded by the like. These people will put a bumper sticker on their Volvo hybrids

we will see conservatives sending money only the actual race which involves our values. The generic "GOP check do with it where its needed check" disappear altogether They want nuke warm well there going to get it. less then a year ago I called the national GOP offices and asked as a life long conservative republican how many republicans we were losing , switching parties or going independent. There answer was simple , it was none of my business. They were right The new GOP isn't any of my business anymore.

Peter
Idaho

SHUBI..DOOBI....DOO!!
JOHN McCAIN: The IMPERIAL PRESIDENCY???

**15 BILLION DOLLARS A MONTH WASTED ON IRAQ

**AMERICANS ARE NOW A DEBTOR NATION. WE HAVE BECOME THE POLICE FORCE FOR THE WORLD. WE HAVE BECOME THE CASH COW FOR CORPROTISM OR CORPORATE
FASCISM.

**THE FEDERAL RESERVE BAILS OUT BEAR STEARNS SO GOLDMAN SACHS CAN BY THEM FOR ROCK BOTTOM PRICES.

**WALL STREET EATS OFF OF PORCELAIN PLATES WITH REAL SILVER...WARE AND LINEN NAPKINS...WHILE MAIN STREET IS GIVEN PAPER PLATES WITH DIXIE CUPS AND PAPER NAPKINS...FOR THE CRUMBS THEY MIGHT THROW OUR WAY IN THE FORM OF A REBATE WHICH IS BORROWED FROM CHINESE COMMUNISTS...

ALL THREE POTENTIAL NOMINEES ARE WASHINGTON INSIDERS...THATS WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE TOO!

BIG BUSINESS IS SUBSIDIZED BY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.........MEANWHILE, MAIN STREET AMERICA IS BEING DISMANTLED AND CHEAP LABOR IS BEING IMPORTED ILLEGALLY INTO THIS COUNTRY...ITS TREASON...CORRUPTION....AND MOST OF ALL GREED OF CORPORATE LEADERS AND GOVERNMENT LEADERS!!!!

GREED! GREED! GREED! GREED! GREED!

DIOGENES IS STILL LOOKING FOR AN HONEST MAN !!

FREE TRADE IS NOTHING BUT AN OXYMORON !!!

FREE TRADE WELFARE STATE FOR U.S. CORPORATIONS

last thought
I truly sense that maybe , just maybe enough folks will see what washington is doing to our country , our rights and actually give a SH^t enough to elect strict , no pork , no give aways , back to basics type politicians. Brave people who say I will go , correct the wrongs and get the hell out before Im tainted by the lobbyists.

If were given the clear and actual duty of a regime change in our own country , how would that actually work nowadays ? Knowing damn well the second a miltia showed up in washington they would be arrested and sighted as anti americans . How can we get back our country ?

volunteer statesmen who did they job and had normal real lives , met for short sessions and actually realized their lives werent meant making up lame nonstop laws agasint the governed ?

anyone know how that would actually work ?

Peter O
Idaho

sir asian
I fail to see how voting for a Marxist will improve the situation. It is mainly the Democrats who have brought us to the brink by wasting our money on social programs instead of nuking Iran.

Pete
You are right. The Republican Party has the same contempt for conservatives as the Democrats have for blacks.

an alternative: Dr. Chuck Baldwin
Conservatives disgusted with McCain can use their votes productively and vote in November for the newly-nominated candidate of the Constitution Party, Dr. Chuck Baldwin, a pastor from Florida. Especially if you are a Buchanan fan, Dr. Baldwin's positions are very close to those of Pat's. I don't want to leave any illusions that I believe the Constitution Party can win this thing. What I personally hope for is a showing of 5%, which would be a statement that there are enough people on the right who are serious about their principles to give McCain heartburn. If you are tired of having the "devil card" (i.e., vote for the Republican, no matter how liberal, because the Democrats are the devil) played on you every four years, I think this is a productive way to use your vote. Most importantly, however, Dr. Baldwin is someone we can vote for with a clear conscience.

If enough former republican voters
vote for conservative down ticket candidates, but don't vote for McCain, there is a small chance that GOP candidates will move right to pick up votes there. If a Dem is POTUS during the oncoming economic shakeup, Joe Sixpack and some of the 50% of potential voters who don't
even register may provide enough votes for responsible govt again. Or maybe not. Its too late for the free lunch folks to f**k me. I feel a bit sorry for the kids coming up, but they are making the bed, and they will have to sleep in it.

Our Beloved Republic's been badly served
Sir Aslan's 5:44 post is excellent.

Another post remarked Buchanan may have axes to grind with Bush and big-government Republicans.

Well I would hope so!

Bush policies derive from three main sources:

First is big-government intrusion into peoples' lives...masquerading as compassionate conservatism.

Second is this obsessive compulsion to meddle in world affairs, characterized by an especially demented neocon mindset on reconstituting muslim tribal societies thru the sacrifice of the blood and treasure of the American people...spreading "democracy" thru bankrupting our people and our Beloved Republic.

Third is this incestuous relationship between trans-national corporations and government. Bush administration policies(and the Democrats are no better)are exclusively dedicated to advancing what benefits the trans-national corporations....at the expense of the economic wellbeing of the American people....including the deliberate deindustrialization of our nation and the deliberate devaluing of the American dollar.

McCain, as G.W. Bush's heir apparent, seems hellbent on continuing down this disastrous path.

I have written of my refusal to vote for Obama, and my hope that McCain would not merely diverge from, but REJECT, the ruinous path Bush and other big government GOPERS have charted for our Beloved Republic.

Obama is tainted by Wright's noxious black liberation association. McCain probably will continue the noxious neocon Bush policies, may even start a war with Iran and deliberately further alienate the Russians(he wants to kick them out of the G-7). World Emperor McCain.

Maybe Hillary is not so bad.

How sad that matters in our Beloved Repubic have gotten to such a low point(thanks to the past 7 yrs.)that Hillary would even be an option.

Good Grief!

a great hope
I can only hope that Bob Barr heads up the Libertarian ticket and WINS Indiana's and perhaps a few other small midwestern states' electoral votes, and that the Democrats allow the Clintons to steal their party's Presidential ticket thus ticking off enough of their traditional black base to allow liberal elites to rally behind Nader and/or a Green ticket and take a few traditionally "blue" states' electoral votes, thus throwing this Presidential election into the US House wherein a coalition of sane members bucks all party pressure and elects a "dark horse" who turns out to be with the people on all issues. But then, I keep searching for the exit from that "looking glass" I and this country fell into.

By the way.
My 7:07 post is NOT an endorsement for Hillary.

It is absolutely not.

She is dishonest, as well as being a committed leftist.


We need a revolution
and it should start at the convention

Reality sets in
Folks, after 65 years I have finally reached the conclusion it is no longer worth it. There will never be another Reagan. All we have left are radical liberals, liberals, and left leaning Republicans.

I have concluded it is in my best interest to keep my head down, enjoy the fruits of my labors and relax on my front porch with a tall glass of tea as I observe the world going to hell in a hand basket.

It will never get better, only worse. Every one rails against big oil companies and large corporations when in reality it is the jerks in government that is the source of all the misery in our lives. We keep sending the same losers back to Washington time after time while never accepting responsibility for our own self destructive actions.

Continue to whine and cry in your beer then go to the polls and vote for the same dips you have kept in office in perpetuity and next election you can come back on the blogs and blame everyone but yourselves again. Tilting at windmills has lost its allure for me.

No to McLame and No to
LibReps.
I used to call McLame a RINO, but have been paying attention over the last 7 years (more actually) and am finding that there are far too many Repubs that are socialist-lite.
Voting good conservatives down ticket, No McLame, No Hill, No O'Blama.
Unfortunately, unlike spirit cows' wife, mine is goingto vote McLame as she still feels that you have to pick the lesser of 2 evils. Well, I attribute it to the hormone treatments she is getting for her health situation (to those waiting to be offended - this is a joke).

Third party
Here's the one wrench to be thrown in all those listing 3rd party candidates. You CAN'T vote for them unless they make it to the ballot. The libertarian party is the closest to having all state ballot access, but they are still short quite a few states.

Most states developed laws (thanks to two party rule) that make it next to impossible for a third party to end up on the ballot in the general election.

Now, Ron Paul is STILL running in the republican party. The rumor of Bob Barr getting on the libertarian ticket has been stagnant for at least three weeks now.

If you want to make your statement and actually have a shot (long shot, yes) at making a difference, you need to get behind Ron Paul. Make it to the convention and make your voice heard. Most of McCain's delegates are not bound to vote for him and if he doesn't get more than 50% at the convention on the first vote, most delegates become totally free to vote as they wish.

It's a long shot, but voting for a third party candidate that likely won't even be on your ballot is a no-shot.

BTW
There are going to be ALOT more Ron Paul delegates there (even if they are bound to McCain on the first vote) than the media is leading you to believe.

The GOP has been raising fits about it in many states.

For McCain, Against Buchanan
Buchanan is no conservative. He is an isolationist and a bit of a reactionary. His pitch for sitting out the 2008 election is idiocy.

Obama and Clinton are anti-military socialists, who if elected will increase government spending and thus taxes, take steps to achieve defeat in Iraq, pursue appeasement policies in foreign affairs, seek outright amnesty in immigration, promote pro-abortion policies and nominate left wing judges to the federal bench.

John McCain is a pro-life fiscal conservative who served his country as a Navy combat aviator and P.O.W., who has been a fiscal hawk and will cut Government spending, who has been right all along on Iraq and will insist on victory in Iraq, who has been and will be a wise hawk in foreign policy, who will cut the corporate tax rate to spur business, who accepts the judgment of the majority of American people that law enforcement in immigration must come first and who pledged to the Federalist Society in January 2007 and thereafter that he will nominate strict constructionists to the U.S. Supreme Court.

My older son is a U.S. Army First Lieutenant (with Ranger tab) who until last October served as an infantry platoon leader in Iraq; for his service, he earned a Bronze Star and an Army Commendation Medal for Valor for actions under fire. My younger son will be commissioned a U.S. Marines Second Lieutenant on May 17 having already passed officer training at Quantico. I cannot help but note and appreciate that John McCain’s sons are continuing his family tradition of military service to the nation. John McCain is the son and grandson of U.S. Navy Admirals. One of John McCain’s sons is a Lance Corporal in the U.S. Marines who has served in Iraq; the other is attending the U.S. Naval Academy. John McCain speaks often of service to the nation, and he is by far the most qualified person to be the next Commander in Chief.

Be A Maverick! No Votes For McCain!

The Stupid Party

The RNC wants an amnesty candidate.

Don't vote for one.

Another amnesty will result in Democrat majorities for decades, or until they are supplanted by the La Raza Party, why doesn't the RNC know that? How stupid do you have to be to import voters for the opposition at the same time you alienate your own voters? Nominating any of the amnesty supporters is a losing proposition, we will not support them. If the GOP intends to surrender our sovereignty and abandon the rule of law, they will find in November 2008, that they still have their big money/cheap labor donors, but they do not have voters. GOP-RIP

No way, McCain
Rather than toss away my hard won right to vote, I'll write in a name rather than pull the lever for McCain and his long, sad, sorry history of left-wing mollycoddling and genuflectling.

With either an avowed communist or a rank socialist on the ballot as a Democrat or a New Deal Democrat running as a Republican, woe betide the working man, the free market, private property, and America.

John
New Hampshire

Trade Deficits
We have had 31 consecutive years of trade deficits and there is no end in sight. McShame will not move away from the demands of his Council on Foreign Relations. He may speak out against illegals and amnesty but his actions will continue those of Jorge Bush - as has been the case since Reagan. As Pat says, it is possible that with McShame as president, we could get another conservative judge but he could also select a nut that can reach to the other side side like Sandra O'Conner. My guess is that he would do whatever no one expects him to do, as in maverick.

McCain is the walking dead.
And his nomination will be the nail in the Republicans' coffin.

The only signs of life come from the campaign of the only TRUE conservative, Ron Paul. His supporters are young, energetic, and passionate in their conservative ideals. It's time to re-make the party in its original image.

I will NEVER vote for John McCain. Never.

BTW
Would any of you "commentators" care to comment on the turmoil in Reno, NV, last weekend? The state convention was actually CANCELED (illegally, I might add) by the GOP convention chairman.

There is trouble in paradise. And I'm not referring to the Democrats.


For pianogirl
Using Jim Carrey movies (and parodying them), here is my view of 2008 presidential campaign (which will be the first one I can actually vote in):
--- Dead and Deader (Dhimicruds)
--- Deader and Deaderer (Pubs)

Don't know about the right...
But the libertarian wing of the GOP has surely took flight after the disgraceful treatment of Ron Paul and his supporters.
RIP GOP.

buchanan
PAT, PAT ;HE'S OUR MAN ;
IF HE CAN'T DO IT ,NOBODY CAN !!!!

The GOP ticket needs a TRUE conservative
The Republican Party cannot win the 2008 election unless a true conservative is nominated for Vice President.

Ron Paul is that true conservative.

http://www.delegatesforronpaul.com/

max
Taken flight? No way. We're here, we're strong, and we're making a statement. Have you not been following the delegate conventions? Of course, you won't find anything about it in the MSM, but if you will Google "Ron Paul Reno Convention," you'll get an eyeful.


Great Article
Mr. Buchanan, so glad you are willing to speak the truth.
It is sad for out country, bit still true.
No amnesty for McCain.

Justice in St. Paul
So, the liberal media is defending their pet "Republican" my saying he got the most primary votes. But if you divide the field into McCain and 9iu11iani as the moderates and Romney, Huckabee, Paul and Thompson as more or less conservative (all more conservative than the other two) and add up all the votes, you'll find that before Pennsylvania eight and a half million voted moderate and eleven million split their votes among conservatives.

So, conservative votes outnumbered moderate votes. Talk about disenfranchisement!

Now there is one conservative--Ron Paul. Why on Earth would the eleven million who voted conservative not rally 'round this honest man? Because the liberal media ridiculed him? Come on, now...

The Chickens are Roosting
The irony of those balance of trade deficits is that in 1997 and prior, they generally sat around $100 b. In 2003, five years after NAFTA and the Free Trade Deal with China, numerous traditional American brand names took their plants over-seas, and they'd expanded to almost %500 billion. Then, chronic historically high budget deficits, and artificially low fed interest rates kicked in and the dollar began losing its purchasing power. Now it's declined by over 40%. That $60 barrel of oil now costs $100. Further, with entire sectors of industry having moved off-shore, Americans have no choice except to purchase items such as power tools, appliances, lawn and garden tools, steel, etc that are made elsewhere. But they are also costing 40% more in dollars than they did 5 years ago. The net result is that even though the cheap dollar has increased our exports, our balance of payments deficit has risen to over $800 billion a year for the last two years.

Now, the Fed is again trying to use interest rates to solve short term normal market fluctuations, and the government is again pumping more borrowed money into the economy to try to prevent short term market fluctuations. And, the dollar just gets weaker. Chronically record high budget and balance of payments deficits, and a dollar that has increasingly less value are the chickens that have come home to roost.

And, none of these candidates have had a single meaningful conversation related to this. Add in the fact that none have the stomach to control immigration, and we can see that nothing changes with this group.

Paul in the primary, Barr in the general
A lot of real Goldwater/Reagan conservatives will vote for Dr. Paul in the primary and for Bob Barr in the general if he wins the Libertarian nomination.

The GOP is the party of big government social conservatism. Rather than promoting freedom from government imposition of their values on us, they have decided to use government to impose their values on us, while greatly expanding the size and scope of the federal government!

It's so bad that they our nation's banks combing through federal and state laws to determine what online gaming is legal and what online gaming is not! You see, the formerly small government GOP has deputized banks to enforce laws relating to YOU playing poker on the Internet in your OWN HOME!

Banks are bitterly complaining, yet "conservative" congressmen insist that this is a proper exercise of the federal government!

You can stand up for freedom at http://www.pokerplayersalliance.org/letter . Check it out. You can send a letter to Congress in only 60 seconds. Check out http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9746.html and http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gSosJ3yBl86H6_d8cUo1a3t ZgCgAD8VPUJR00 for info.

The big government CINOs are out of touch. I imagine a few years in the political wilderness will straighten them out.

More......
On Election Day, I'll vote for the candidate I most want to be president. I don't owe a vote to either party. The GOP left me, not vice versa.

The GOP has become the party of big government nanny-statism. They decided prohibition of Internet gaming is a proper role for the federal government. They decided that forcing banks to enforce this ban is a legitimate use of the federal government. They fight freedom of speech and the press regularly. They expanded government with the prescription drug benefit, McCain-Feingold, and Sarbanes-Oxley. LOL at anyone acting like the rest of us are just supposed to follow the big government CINOs. I tell you now....not this conservative.

John McCain could still get my vote and the vote of other limited government conservatives. I'll give him every chance. However, it's really not looking good. I can see Barr getting 5% or more.

Active voters vs. Passive voters
"Now there is one conservative--Ron Paul. Why on Earth would the eleven million who voted conservative not rally 'round this honest man? Because the liberal media ridiculed him? Come on, now..."

It comes down to active voters and passive voters. Active voters are those that show up in caucuses, research what each candidate stands for, etc.... Passive voters figure out who to vote for based on MSM stories. Comparing MSM stories to votes received will reveal a pattern. The only person that bucked that trend was Ron Paul. I'm sure those that dislike him will mock his 5%, but that 5% is statistically much higher then he should have gotten based on the number of MSM stories on him. Among those that know who he is (active voters) he received around 20% of the vote (based his his disproportionately high showings in caucuses).

Ron Paul is no conservative
Ron Paul is an isolationist who would lead America into World War III. As POTUS, he would violate NATO and other treaties by insisting we hearken back to the days of Jefferson and not become embroiled in foreign entanglements. (Something which was said but ignored by those from that time period.) Ron Paul's Foreign Policy would be the exact same one being espoused by Mr. Obama.

The best place for Mr. Paul is in Congress. He would be perfect as Speaker of the House. There, he can remind Congress, the lawmakers, to stick to the Constitution of the United States. He is not the leader America needs.

Sitting out is not an option nor is engaging in pipe dreams by voting for a third party candidate that will never make it. Mr. Buchanan is giving very poor advice and seems willing to sacrifice the country to the leftists.

Mr. Buchanan's criticisms are based on his own beliefs in protectionist economics and the childish fantasy that the best solution for a problem is the one that he wants, not the one that will actually work in the real world.

I will be able to back John McCain for several reasons. He is a realist and is most likely to protect America from terrorism. He is also elderly and will only serve one term. Republicans need to ensure that Mr. Mcain picks a running mate that real Conservatives will want as our POTUS for 2012 - 2020.

DUMP MCAMNESTY MOVEMENT NOW!!!
McAmnesty was "nominated" because the conservatives split the early voting, and the crossover liberals, illegal aliens, and liberal establishment media endorsed and voted for him. In addition to all the physical and mental problems that would be disclosed by an independent medical examination made PUBLIC, the campaign financed DEformer has no money, and has trashed conservatives and Reagan Democrats--great coalition building, Johnny! What a joke for him to think the liberals will vote for him in November. They can hardly wait to start Swiftboarding him, and there is LOTS to talk about.

The handwriting is on the wall--this guy would be a 40+ state disaster, especially if he picks Lieberman as VP (great Republican credentials!). The Republican Party needs to wake up and dump this idiot at the convention.

By the way, I am a centrist Independent and I am tired of hearing that only conservatives will not vote for McAmnesty. I am nauseated by his neo-con globalist sellout of America, and he will NEVER get my vote!

Deornwulf has drunken the MSM Kool-Aid.
Just sayin'.

Well, Praise the Lord!

Pianogirl
I got all of my information on Dr. Ron Paul from his website, his speeches, and responses his aides wrote to me in the one email they actually answered out of a dozen. My opinion is based on my analysis of how he would apply his beliefs to the job of POTUS.

Dr. Paul is a Strict Constitutionalist, not a Conservative or Leader. America is far better served by having Dr. Paul make the rules for the game rather than try to lead the team. He is too inflexible to lead the country as POTUS. The world has changed greatly since the Constitution of the United States was written and there are parts of it that cannot be applied to the modern world in the same manner as when it was written.

(On that account, the Framers never intended for the Constitution to be a dead document. Some of them assumed that there would be occasional Constitutional Conventions in which it was amended or even rewritten.)

I am not ridiculing Dr. Paul. He does an admirable job as a Congressman. He just is not POTUS material in the modern world.

After finding out
in the last week, things that I never knew about McCain, I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR MCCAIN!!! A simple youtube video posted here on TH, by a commentator showed me the light. My own fault for being duped, from the beginning and have shut off FOX news, turned off Rush, Hannity and Ingrahm.

I feel like Neo from the matrix movie waking up.

So I went to the kooks website, Ron Paul and found an American, is actually running for president. Everything he says and stands for, is pro American and America first.

Hell or high water, he has my vote. I will write him in.

One thing I learned is that when men such as McCain, Bush, Gingrich say freedom, patriotism or anything like that, they actually mean the opposite.

I was fooled, but no longer and will from now on take the responsibility of finding out about candidates on my own and not listen to the GOP, RNC or the media, any longer.

Deornwulf
" He is too inflexible to lead the country as POTUS."

Nothing against you, but aren't you tired of all this compromise? Even when we controlled all three branches, our elected officials did nothing but compromise.

It has not turned out so well, for America.

I say no more compromise.

Phil Byler- A Corleone argument?
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Says Phil Byler:

"John McCain is the son and grandson of U.S. Navy Admirals. One of John McCain’s sons is a Lance Corporal in the U.S. Marines who has served in Iraq; the other is attending the U.S. Naval Academy."


That's great. I'd be happy to vote for John McCain's father or paternal grandfather. They were capable commanders, sound in judgment and proven in combat.

But we're not being asked to vote for McCain's family.

Just John McCain, who never once commanded anything in combat other than the A-4 he strapped to his own personal butt. In fact, his only command experience was a one-year stint running a stateside A-7 training squadron (VA-174), after which the Navy made it crystal clear that - returned P.O.W. "hero" or not - he was never going to get another command.

Never.

McCain therefore bailed out of the Navy (as he'd bailed out of enough BuAer property to earn the title "Enemy Ace") half-a-jump ahead of a RIF discharge.

Hardly the kind of career his father and his grandfather had achieved.

And the less spoken about his political career thus far - "bipartisan" enough to have given him to seriously consider going over to the Democrat Party in 2004 - the better for the tiny number of brain-dead McCainiacs posting on this thread.

You really, *REALLY* don't want to go there, Phil.

Speaking as a Sicilian, I'm as open to the "Tutto per la Famiglia" argument as any American could possibly be.

But neither McCain's ancestors nor his sons would be squatting behind that big desk in the Oval Offices if by some cosmic cataclysm that fractious, Alzheimer's-raddled, treasonable scumbucket gets elected on November 4th.

We don't get the whole family.

Just John McCain.

And that's reason enough to shove something pineapple-shaped and explosive up the collective Republican Party cloaca this year.

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Hue and Cry
Economic prosperity is contingent on our trade with the world. Heavy and light industry are the warp and woof of our economy and Pat Buchanan is right about our trade agreements under mining all of our industries. We can outproduce any country on the globe and we can do it building quality, highly sophisticated products. We don't--why? Examples of what we have lost are the steel industry, the auto industry, vast segments of our technology industry, and even parts of our armaments industry. To use an analogy: This is not cosmetic surgery, this is removing major organs without replacement or transplant. Fair commerce is all we need. The first step to that begins here at home; we must build products that are competitive on the world market in terms of quality, technology, and price. The biggest hurdle is price, to moderate the price we must pay a reasonable wage---not an inflated "Union Negotiated" wage. We can compete; we must start now to wean ourselves from entangling trade agreements, taxes, and inflated wages. Treat this as a national priority and commit ourselves to it--just like landing on the moon. Who else lands their astronauts on a run way in a shuttle--that is American ingenuity at work.

Buchanan
McCain may just stretch this rubber band so far it snaps back in his face.

McQuack’s rubber snapped long ago. And just look at his support, people like wobbie? That all the proof I need because McQuack is a leftist if his supporters are, and wobbie is.

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

Free Ramos and Compean
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l

comparison
1. amnesty dems a sure thing.repubs probably. 2.national health care.dems a sure thing.repubs probably not.3.scotus 3 new members dems leftist active judges a sure thing.repubs hopefully con judges.4 taxes dems sure to be raised.repubs not raised.AS A CON,i DONOT CARE FOR MCCAIN,however I probably will suck it up and settle for half a loaf.We must remember first we are americans and second we are conservatives.As cons we can't have everything we want,but if we allow the dems to win we don't get any of the loaf.

McCain and the KLA
John McCain has taken money from Albanian-Americans thru former New York Congressman Joe DioGuardi.

Former New York Congressman Joe DioGuardi is a lobbyist for Albanian interests and the Albanian cause.

Here is a quote from Joe DioGuardi regarding John McCain. " He(McCain) did everything that we asked of him, including arming the KLA". The Albanians collected 1 million dollars for the presidential campaign of this senator.

The KLA(Kosovo Liberation Army) is an islamic terrorist organization that is on our state departments list of terrorist organizations.

Don't believe me check out the following and see for yourself!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1970022/posts

Deornwolf - Don't know much history...?
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...do you?

Said Deornwolf:

"Ron Paul is an isolationist who would lead America into World War III. As POTUS, he would violate NATO and other treaties by insisting we hearken back to the days of Jefferson and not become embroiled in foreign entanglements."


D'you mean the Thomas Jefferson who sent Preble's squadron into the Mediterranean to wage the First Barbary War (1801-1805) against the marauding Islamic states of Tripoli, Morocco, Algiers, and Tunis?

That "isolationist"?

Nice analogy. By that I take it you mean that a Ron Paul presidency would "...hearken back to the days of..." a chief executive who roughly doubled the size of this nation, who protected American rights (including commerce) overseas, and who engaged in both our nation's first diplomatic relations with the Islamic world and America's first open military response to Muslim aggression.

You keep tarring Dr. Paul with that "Jefferson" brush, Deornwolf, and you'll *GUARANTEE* his election to the presidency.






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"It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise."

-- Thomas Jefferson, "American Peace Commissioners to John Jay" (28 March 1786)

Reason enough
"What does a McCain victory mean for conservatives?

Probably a veto on tax hikes and perhaps a fifth justice like Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito or John Roberts, to turn two pair into a full house. Fifty years after Warren, it could be game, set, match for the right."

This statement alone is enough to vote for Mc Cain. However, we will never see another Alito or Roberts IF, BIG IF, GIGANTIC IF the Democrats control the Senate. Reagan tried to give us Justice Bork, a strong conservative justice. But he could not make it through a Democratic controlled Senate. We got Justice Souter instead.

Corperate Wellfare or Social Wellfare?
Its a helluva choice McCain or Obama/Hillery, either way we get to foot the bill. Why do we continue to enable these people to over spend, over step, and over tax us as a people. I heard a pundit suggest "we all should have to write a check for the tax's we pay a the end of the year, then we might start to realize how much we pay" Social security, Medicare, social medicine, are all Ponzi schemes designed to create fuax security. Security is gauranteed through hard work, not through empty promises and speculation. If we are a country of speculators who will produce?

benehogan writes:
The dems kicked GWB in the balls every morning he was President and they enjoyed it. Keep sitting on the sidelines, we need more losers in the party.

We need more losers in the party? McQuack and supporters are not enough? We tried to warn him, and it was cross the aisle as usual. At least the democraps had enough balls to try and kick peso george in his. All McQuack wanted to do was hold theirs and rub em.

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

Free Ramos and Compean
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l

Does the GOP Want To Win?


It's really up to Sen. McCain. If he wants our votes, he has to earn them.

He said he heard us after the last amnesty fight. He heard two things right. We want the border secured and we don't trust them. There apparently was alot he didn't hear.

He hired Juan Hernandez, who represents foreign nationals illegally in our country as his hispanic outreach, instead of reaching out to someone from "You Don't Speak For Me" a group of citizens of hispanic descent who oppose illegal aliens.

He said a couple of weeks ago he would sign McCain/Kennedy if it were put on his desk.


If he wants my vote, there are a couple of things he could do.
1. Publicly dismiss and disavow Juan Hernandez and the Reconquista for which he stands.
2. Apologize for conspiring in secret with La Raza and Ted Kennedy and trying to jam amnesty down our throats.
3. Pledge to veto ANY amnesty bill.
4. Pledge to enforce the laws, including deportation, which is the penalty for illegal aliens.

It's up to Sen. McCain, he can represent the interests of American citizens and uphold the rule of law or he can continue to court the favor of liberals and illegal aliens.

I will not vote for the latter.

realistic hawk, or neocon dupe?
Inheriting a war that didn't serve our interests is bad enough.

Initiating more wars that don't serve our interests will bring about the destruction of our Beloved Republic.

No one argues Saddam had any role in 9/11. Even G.W. Bush admits that.

So if Iraq was not about 9/11, what WAS it about?

Iraq was cynically grafted onto our retaliation for 9/11 by those in this administration who wanted to take out Saddam for years. 9/11 merely gave them an excuse...manipulating legitimate American outrage against Al Qaida, and conflating it with Saddam.

Since Saddam's regime was far less Islamic than the al-Maliki government, it's hard to argue the Iraq invasion was about rolling back Islamofascists, especially since our invasion greatly benefited Iran.

I understand we must not "fail" in Iraq...failure meaning dissolution and being an enclave from which terrorists to launch attacks.

But this neoWilsonian, neocon nonsense about "making the muslim world safe for democracy", is dead.

Hopefully, sticking our noses into the affairs of the world is dead too.

We don't need our pro-consuls in every corner of the globe.

We're not an empire.

We don't need to lecture others on how they organize their societies and governments.

Iraq, as being a "democratic" model for others to emulate, is presumptuous, arrogant, based on ignorance, and dismissive of the history and traditions of tribal cultures.

And it will bleed our nation dry, thru the sacrifice of our finest, and thru looting of our treasury(while Iraqi government amasses billions of dollars from oil receipts and our taxpayes continue to foot the bill for Iraqi "reconstruction").

We can't midwife this grotesque "experiment gone awry" into the next millennium.

McCain as a realistic hawk, is one thing.

McCain as an advocate for the stupendously stupid approach of the neocons on foreign policy, is another.





The conservatives....
... shouting that there's no way they'll ever vote for McCain in April will surely change their tune in November. They remind me of the folks who, when healthy, dismiss extreme hospital life support measures with "that's not for me -- when my time comes, I just want to check out." But then, when in the hospital and clinging to their last thread of life, they beg for every bit of last life-saving technology.

not ashamed to be right:
With all due respect, before you get down on Spirit Crow, you should know that there is some merit to his opinion regarding women voters. There is pretty good evidence that the liberalization of American politics began in the 1870's when Wyoming gave women the right to vote. In fact the liberalization of state governments seems to occur one decade after a state gives the vote to women. There is some recent scholarship on this subject, if you care to research it.

In A Word
YES!

benehogan
"Write in Ron Paul, a wasted vote. He lost."


Maybe the GOP can nominate the loser of the dem. party. That way we can pick up half of the dem. vote as well. Sure we'll have to compromise on every issue, but at least our team will win.


“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” - John Q. Adams

Pat Buchanan

You are an embarrassment to the journalistic community! This article is totally misleading. How the hell can you write an article about John McCain and not remind us (with at least two mentions per article) that John McCain was a POW? Do you not realize that he was the only POW in American history and is therefore qualified to be President.

And you call yourself a journalist...gimme a break.

McCain forced right, Hillary up middle
Let Barack Obama be tainted with his ties to the racist Reverend Wright, Radical SDS Marxist revolutionary friends. So many radicals, progressive socialist and every group with an ax to grind have already betrayed and deserted Hillary. (And hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.).. She will use that (planned?) dissociation to her advantage, claiming she no has no allegiance to the Marxist and progressives that control much of the Democratic Party. As Senator Obama draws the support of the extremist far left, Hillary will appear sensible, concerned for the common person. By doing this, she will gain the independents that Senator McCain had hoped to garner. Senator McCain gambled that he could acquire the independents and Reagan Democrats by his defiant rejection of conservative members of the Republican Party. Basically, Hillary and the old guard DNC machine pulled a brilliant tactical, rope-a-dope coup on "the maverick" Senator McCain. The liberals enticed Senator McCain using his love of glory and approval and the lure of media endorsement, accolades and admiration. The hubris of Senator McCain was enticed to reject his loyal supporters and to become a bi-partisan buddy with Ted Kennedy and Sen. Feingold. He was promised the the dream of capturing all those independent and undecided voters. But these were the voters Hillary had targeted all along. Like a Machiavelli or Maurice De Tallyrand, Senator Clinton will now transform into a moderate, turning Senator Obama into a radicalized Ralph Nader and John McCain as a Judas who rejected his party and base. Only a major shift to the conservative right, a conservative VP like Duncan Hunter, and lots of apologies and appeasements can save Senator McCain now. But it looks like Hillary up the middle to victory.

Big T - What greater assault...?
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...on the American citizen's personal security than the confiscatory degradation of everything his "hard work" might possibly gain him?

Says Big T:

"Social security, Medicare, social medicine, are all Ponzi schemes designed to create faux security. Security is gauranteed through hard work, not through empty promises and speculation."


There can be no guarantee of *ANYTHING* in an economy where the vehicle of valuation and exchange - the money - is subject to debauchment by means of a central bank inflating the currency supply with endless issue of unbacked fiat.

And the Federal Reserve Corporation is (in law) the central bank of these United States.

Look up "legal tender laws," please.

What is the proper role of government with regard to the rights of the individual?


This question is germane. Set aside considerations of "due process," refrain from the pragmatic argument, put away the seeming of a "National Greatness Conservative."

What is the chief legitimate concern of an officer of government?

Why does he draw his pay out of the taxpayers' collective pocket? What purpose does he serve that the private citizen shouldn't simply kill him out of hand for being an importunate, arrogant, tyrannical sonofabitch?

Government's lawful purpose - it's *ONLY* lawful purpose - is the protection of individual rights.

Among which is the right to his property.

To the extent that government counterfeiting - the issue of fiat currency - is a direct and forcible attack on the private citizen's property rights, those officers of government responsible for such fraudulences are criminals, not "public servants."

D'you see why they have to call men like Dr. Paul a "kook"?

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DVangura writes:
a fifth justice like Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito or John Roberts

That’s not a good argument. If McQuack gets elected, we have no guarantee of that given his record of readily crossing the aisle to appease and collaborate with the dems. Heck right now he get mad if you say anything neg. about them. They kick him in the balls and twist his words on a daily basis.
And if the libs get elected, it would only be a replacement of what we already have. I think more people need to spend time looking at his voting record and some of the bills he helped the dems write.

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

Free Ramos and Compean
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l

Artis
That Albanian connection bothers me too, if true.

And I don't doubt but that it is.

Clinton blundered horrifically in getting us into the Kosovo war. We killed Christian Serbs on behalf of Albanian Muslims, many of whom were extremists led by the KLA, whose leaders have connections with Al Qaida.

Then G.W. Bush, being the dupe that he is, advocates creation of an Islamist state(Kosovo)in the heart of central Europe, presumably thinking there ought to be MORE Muslim influence in Europe.

But Johnny McCain is no slouch when it comes to stupidity.

For as your information reveals, he's in the pocket of the Albanian Muslims.

Is this a black comedy, a chamber of horrors, or what?


Let Me See
Have you noticed a trend? The Rino's want us (me), to hold my nose and vote for McNasty even though he has a list of liberal credentials a mile long. Then they find a few, very few items that they harp on and tell us to not vote for Ron Paul. Why not hold the nose and vote for Paul? I have to love the Paul supporters in Nv. They are taking the party back from the RINO's. Don't you feel empowered? It can be done folks. The more they tell me to vote for a man who answers F*** you and has Juan Hernandez as a supporter the more inclined I am to bow my neck. At least with Paul we would be erring on the side of conservatism instead of socialism.

You go SJ Doc!!!
That's one of the best posts I've ever seen in these pages. Do you think anyone is listening?

RW writes:
The conservatives....
... shouting that there's no way they'll ever vote for McCain in April will surely change their tune in November.

Wanna Bet? I will let you go into the booth with me and my pen.

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

Free Ramos and Compean
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l

Thank you Mr. Buchanan!
You have spoken the truth about McCain which few columnists will do.

If being a 'maverick' means being haughty, arrogant, egotistical, self-righteous, pious, disloyal, obstinate, demogoguing, globalist, touchy and ill-tempered, I think I can sit out four years with a Democrat.

I don't want socialism but who knows where a globalist would take us. Wasn't Hitler a globalist?

Either the Dem nominee or

John Sidney McCain will be president. We all have the opportunity to help decide which one it will be. Obviously, no one has to support one of the two. But realize, supporting anyone else means you are indifferent as to who will be the next POTUS. Consequently, if it does not matter to you who will be the next president of the United States, why bother us who do care with your blather. Go spread your anti-spirit somewhere else.

Conservative Cassandra
11:09 post was a very interesting perspective on the manner in which the various candidates will be perceived, or will posture themselves, in the upcoming election of our Beloved Republic.

A most thoughtful post.

Some, maybe
But not too many. There will be the Paulians (at least those who havn't boarded their spaceship back home) and some wingnuts who won't vote for McCain, but the majority of them will put their country ahead of their own petty differences with McCain. Both Democratic presidents promise to ruin this country, and that's unacceptable to those of us on the right. No, the right will support McCain, and I predict he will win in November.

McAmnesty
Somehow John McCain got the idea that his years as a POW qualify him to be president. Wrong! While I admire our military, that is not necessarily a qualification for the presidency. I will not vote for McCain unless he:
1) Commits/promises to veto ALL amnesty bills that our corrupt politicians try and sneak through.
2)Deport all illegal aliens - they broke the law and I am tired of my taxpayer money going to support them.
3)Select a hell of a good VP and listen to him/her because I don't believe McCain is wise enough to handle it all alone.
4)Implement conservative values and stop trying to be a Democrat, Independent and a Republican all rolled up into one egosticial candidate.

Casting a conservative vote
Supporting someone, anyone, other than McCain does not indicate indifference. It indicates intelligent patriotism.

I was impressed by the Nevadan

Paul supporters' moves at the state convention. It remains to be seen if they will be successful after the convention re-convenes.

McCain isn't finished yet
Once he pokes conservatives in the eye by selecting a liberal VP then conservatives will stick a fork in him. He will win in November and will send millions of Republicans packing. The Republican party will transition like never before. People will scream and stomp their feet then go back to their lives and continue to re-elect incumbents over and over again. Sadly, we Americans get what we deserve. And it looks like we are going to get more in November. Nice rant Pat. Not all my cup of tea but you are who you are.

eddie too writes:
Consequently, if it does not matter to you who will be the next president of the United States, why bother us who do care with your blather. Go spread your anti-spirit somewhere else.

Did they sell TH to you and tell none of us? If not and you don’t like what you read here, may I “suggest” you go elsewhere to read opinions like your own if you like it so much. Thanks, but I will keep my right to free speech and dissent if you don’t mind. Honestly you would make TH another version of huffypuffy or moveon.duh where everybody thinks alike or they get booted? Think about it.

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

Free Ramos and Compean
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l

InsightingTruth,

supporting anyone other than one of the two nominees of either the GOP or the Dems demonstrates indifference as to who will be the next POTUS. Because, it will be one of the two.

bigkam & RW
Keep clinging to your delusion as well as your religion and guns. The only chance McCain has is with those elusive independents and disaffected Democrats. Conservatives will not vote for the Democrat in the R jersey.

Conservative Cassandra
Agreed! 100% It is not far off too November and if he really wishes to be POTUS, he has a LOT of burned bridges too repair and he should get busy. Here is a start!

http://www.gopusa.com/activist/petitions/petition.php?peti tion=080211_cwc

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

Free Ramos and Compean
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l

Doc,

like I have or would want any control over you. Maybe it was my point, that those who vote third party or stay home are indifferent as to who the next POTUS is, that really got to you?

Doc,

such empty threats you make.

Sorry asurferiamnot...
...McCain will not win. It is remotely possible that Hillary or Obama will lose, but McCain cannot win.

If you vote for McCain you are sending him and the RNC the message that pushing McCain on us is okay. It is not okay.

The only way to get the right message across to the RNC is to vote for someone else. The best possible scenario is that McCain gets only two votes, his own and Mrs. McCain's. Wouldn't that be funny?

John McCain & the GOP
have moved over to the left, into the liberal Democrat's position of the 70's and 80's. He is a classic Democrat liberal in every way.

The Democrats have also moved left, all the way to the Euro-Socialist mode. This is the precursor of the new world order/one world government socialist utopia of the internationalists, and it is the agenda of both major parties.

If we are going to do anything to save this great nation that we love and call home. we are going to need to act in a totally new way. We are going to need the courage and faith to do what the elites believe we will never do, elect an independent candidate as President.

We cannot afford another elite from either party and we can no longer sit around arguing. It is time to choose a candidate and back him up with the necessary support!

That candidate is Frank McEnulty of the New American Independent Party. Frank is the right candidate, understands the issues clearly, and has the intelligence and character to be President. He is the nominee of the NAIP because he won an online primary election, and he can win in November as well.

If you are ready to get moving and willing to work to reclaim the inheritance the elites have stolen from us, I urge you to visit Frank McEnulty's website, frankforpresident.org.

Check out what he has to say and see if you do not agree that this is someone we can rally behind to defeat the internationalists who control the power structure in Washington. We are at that point called for long ago by Ronald Reagan, A Time For Choosing! Are we ready to choose or do we sit around babbling about Obama & Clinton? Thanks, Joe



Eddie is the one who's indifferent
He's indifferent to McCain giving up our sovereignty by uniting the US with the EU (which may mean Islamic Kosovo too), to McCain's own illegal immigrant trashed state, to McCain agreeing more with Democrats than the people he expects to vote for him, and on and on and on. Where is Eddie's limit on indifference about where McCain would lead the US?

The Dr. Strangelove election
As a conservative, I'll admit that we have pretty slim pickings among the three candidates still in the presidential sweepstakes right now. And I definitely have some deep divisions with McCain - just like Pat Buchanan himself had with George H.W. Bush in his 1992 primary campaign. But at the end of that campaign, Buchanan came to the conclusion that despite his deep differences with Bush on several issues, he ultimately had no choice but to endorse Bush and work for his re-election because whatever his differences were with Bush, he said they were trivial compared to his differences with the Clintons and their kind, a crowd he said at the time conservatives have NOTHING in common with.

I regard this election as like the scene in the movie Dr. Strangelove where in the War Room, George C. Scott's character, Gen. Buck Turgeson, is urging the president to follow up General Jack T. Ripper's unauthorized launching of a nuclear first strike with the full deployment of all U.S. nuclear forces against Russia because, as he put it, the U.S. now was faced with "a choice between two admittedly regrettable but nonetheless distinctive post-war environments", the former being a survivable amount of Russian retaliation, the latter a catastrophic amount. In the choice between McCain and whoever the Democratic nominee ultimately is, McCain represents the former - a survivable if regrettable amount of detriment to the U.S., the Democrat the latter, a catastrophic amount. And that is why I will be voting for McCain in the fall - unless, as wildwest suggested in a post to Dick Morris' latest thread, he chooses Hillary Clinton as his running mate.

edie too:
It may be "one of two", but I'll have no part in putting McCain in office. If I lived in AZ I would have tried to get him out of the Senate years ago.

Support him if you must, out of fear of the liberal boogeyman, or whatever else motivates you. But I care about my country; I support America, and I respect The U.S. Constitution. McCain supports neither. He has shown that many times.

Even if the entire country goes down the toilette after this election cycle, my conscience will be clear. I have spent my money and worked diligently for the good of my country. I will not support any socialist for POTUS regardless of their self-proclaimed R or D affiliation.

eddie too writes:
Doc,
like I have or would want any control over you. Maybe it was my point, that those who vote third party or stay home are indifferent as to who the next POTUS is, that really got to you?

No eddie, sorry about your luck, but you did not get to me. Rather it seems anyone who is not willing to “hold their nose” and vote for a “RINO” Republican In Name Only seems to get to the McCaniacs.

Not sure what you meant by empty threats, as I made no threats, I can not answer that one.

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

Free Ramos and Compean
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l

Penumbra Ranger McAmnesty Judges
Pat,

Don't think for a moment that McAmnesty will appoint conservative judges. Remember he recently trashed Justice Alito for "wearing his conservatism on his sleeve"? Remember also McAmnesty's "Gang of 14" which held hostage the clear Constitutional provision for an up or down vote on federal judicial nominations, no super majority required, resulting in the defeat of several originalist (conservative) judges by "his friends" the liberal Democrats? If McAmnesty gets the chance he would appoint Penumbra Ranger judges, not governed by the language of the Constitution, but by the restriction "what do I feel like doing today?" The Constitution has a provision for its amendment, and it is NOT by fiat of a black robed "maverick." Judicial appointments is NOT a reason to vote for McAmnesty.

Judi,

the limit is allowing the Dem nominee to become POTUS. One of the two, (THE GOP or THE DEM) will become POTUS. Those who refuse to vote for one of the two are indifferent to the outcome. Any registered voter can impact the outcome by voting for one of the two. Those voters who do not vote for one of the two are refusing to have an impact on the outcome. That is what I call indifference.

Jerabaub
I will never understand why our "leaders" have aided the Albanian Muslims and worse the muslim terrorists in that region.

Few in the United States understand what is really going on in that part of the world due to the one sided reporting in the Western media.

John McCain has taken money hand over fist from the Albanians and voted in support of their cause since the mid 1990's.

The fact remains that he has a record of supporting the KLA and he has yet to be asked about it.

If I know about it there has to be a reporter somewhere in this country that knows about it as well.


InsightingTruth
While I definitely understand your feeling about McCain and I know you have a lot of company on it in conservative circles, the simple fact is, if you're living in the U.S., if it goes down the toilette, YOU go with it, too. It's like being in a lifeboat; if activity is going on in the lifeboat that threatens to sink it, you have a vested interest in being more than an indifferent observer of that activity even if you're totally blameless for it, because ultimately everyone in the lifeboat will suffer the same fate. You can refuse to vote R or D because you don't like either party's candidate, but if the candidate of either one raises your taxes sharply as president, try not paying those higher taxes under the philosophy that since you didn't support the president as a candidate, you want nothing to do with his new taxes, and see how successful you are in that approach. If the new president gets laws passed that sharply limit your personal freedom, try continuing to exercise your freedom as though you didn't recognize those restrictions at all, since you didn't vote in a way that helped bring them about, and see how understanding the police will be toward you about it. I don't have much more affection toward McCain than you - and I actually LIVED in the state of Arizona for years and my parents STILL live there - but unfortunately, sometimes the only choice you have is the lesser of two evils, and in the 2008 presidential election, that choice is clear.

eddie too
The main thing too me is I took and oath to protect and defend the constitution of this country and I still (after all these years and will the rest of my life) take it seriously, even if all the con artist in DC never do. I must do to the best of ability too keep that oath. And that does not include McQuack, unless he has a come to Jesus meeting.

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

Free Ramos and Compean
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l

Refusing to participate...
...does not equal indifference.

If I refuse to participate in a crime, it does not follow that I am indifferent to criminal activity.

Those who are whining, and apologizing for McCain need to stop and think. You may not be able to stop one of the current crop of worthless candidates, but you don't have any obligation to help any particular one of them lay waste to America.

Pat: good question
Your column sure brought out the loons however. I hope the rest of the right doesn't sit this one out. For as bad as McCain is; he is much better than the alternatives. Either of the Democrats are full blown Marxists with delusions of Stalin while McCain is merely a socialist. I don't want any of them and this is what happens when our various state level Republican Parties allow Democrats to vote in their primaries and caucuses. We got stuck with McCain by the Democrats on Super Tuesday and the democrats stuck themselves with a vicious knife fight of a primary season as a result. They get a lefty in office regardless of who wins I'm voting for the center left candidate rather than either of extreme left candidates.