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Tuesday, February 19, 2008
Pat Buchanan :: Townhall.com Columnist
Does Balkanization Beckon Anew?
by Pat Buchanan
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When the Great War comes, said old Bismarck, it will come out of "some damn fool thing in the Balkans."

On June 28, 1914, Gavrilo Princip shot the archduke and heir to the Austrian throne Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo, setting in motion the train of events that led to the First World War.

In the spring of 1999, the United States bombed Serbia for 78 days to force its army out of that nation's cradle province of Kosovo. The Serbs were fighting Albanian separatists of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA). And we had no more right to bomb Belgrade than the Royal Navy would have had to bombard New York in our Civil War.

We bombed Serbia, we were told, to stop the genocide in Kosovo. But there was no genocide. This was propaganda. The United Nations' final casualty count of Serbs and Albanians in Slobodan Milosevic's war did not add up to 1 percent of the dead in Mr. Lincoln's war.

Albanians did flee in the tens of thousands during the war. But since that war's end, the Serbs of Kosovo have seen their churches and monasteries smashed and vandalized and have been ethnically cleansed in the scores of thousands from their ancestral province. In the exodus they have lost everything. The remaining Serb population of 120,000 is largely confined to enclaves guarded by NATO troops.

"At a Serb monastery in Pec," writes the Washington Post, "Italian troops protect the holy site, which is surrounded by a massive new wall to shield elderly nuns from stone-throwing and other abuse by passing ethnic Albanians."

On Sunday, Kosovo declared independence and was recognized by the European Union and President Bush. But this is not the end of the story. It is only the preface to a new history of the Balkans, a region that has known too much history.

By intervening in a civil war to aid the secession of an ancient province, to create a new nation that has never before existed and, to erect it along ethnic, religious and tribal lines, we have established a dangerous precedent. Muslim and Albanian extremists are already talking of a Greater Albania, consisting of Albania, Kosovo and the Albanian-Muslim sectors of Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia.

If these Albanian minorities should demand the right to secede and join their kinsmen in Kosovo, on what grounds would we oppose them? The inviolability of borders? What if the Serb majority in the Mitrovica region of northern Kosovo, who reject Albanian rule, secede and call on their kinsmen in Serbia to protect them?

Would we go to war against Serbia, once again, to maintain the territorial integrity of Kosovo, after we played the lead role in destroying the territorial integrity of Serbia?

Inside the U.S.-sponsored Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, the autonomous Serb Republic of Srpska is already talking secession and unification with Serbia. On what grounds would we deny them?

The U.S. war on Serbia was unconstitutional, unjust and unwise. Congress never authorized it. Serbia, an ally in two world wars, had never attacked us. We made an enemy of the Serbs, and alienated Russia, to create a second Muslim state in the Balkans.

By intervening in a civil war where no vital interest was at risk, the United States, which is being denounced as loudly in Belgrade today as we are being cheered in Pristina, has acquired another dependency. And our new allies, the KLA, have been credibly charged with human trafficking, drug dealing, atrocities and terrorism.

And the clamor for ethnic self-rule has only begun to be heard.

Rumania has refused to recognize the new Republic of Kosovo, for the best of reasons. Bucharest rules a large Hungarian minority in Transylvania, acquired at the same Paris Peace Conference of 1919 where Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia-Herzegovina were detached from Vienna and united with Serbia.

Abkhazia and South Ossetia, two provinces that have broken away from Georgia, are invoking the Kosovo precedent to demand recognition as independent nations. As our NATO expansionists are anxious to bring Georgia into NATO, here is yet another occasion for a potential Washington-Moscow clash.

Spain, too, opposed the severing of Kosovo from Serbia, as Madrid faces similar demands from Basque and Catalan separatists.

The Muslim world will enthusiastically endorse the creation of a new Muslim state in Europe at the expense of Orthodox Christian Serbs. But Turkey is also likely to re-raise the issue as to why the EU and United States do not formally recognize the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. Like Kosovo, it, too, is an ethnically homogeneous community that declared independence 25 years ago.

Breakaway Transneistria is seeking independence from Moldova, the nation wedged between Rumania and Ukraine, and President Putin of Russia has threatened to recognize it, Abkhazia and South Ossetia in retaliation for the West's recognition of Kosovo.

If Putin pauses, it will be because he recognizes that of all the nations of Europe, Russia is high among those most threatened by the serial Balkanization we may have just reignited in the Balkans.

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We were on the wrong side
I agree with others who have commented here. We had no business interfering in a sovereign nation that was no threat to us.

God help the Serbs in Kosovo.

Clinton and Bush both committed Treason!
I had to do some homework and try to refresh my memory about the Kosovo and Serbian problem for the last couple of days and like I had surmised before when my memory was fresh...this is one of the most treasonous acts by two administrations that was perpetrated on the innocent Serbian people.

If one follows the money trail...then one can see that obviously big oil interests are at work because of a proposed pipeline planned to run through Kosovo. Madeleleine Albright should be tried for treason as should most all of the Neocons who helped to orchestrate this travesty..such as Richard Cohen and all of the rest. Whats so disappointing about this is that Israel backed the Kosovo Islamic Nationalists too. Boy did Israel get it wrong and that does not happen that often. This just shows that Israel is nothing more than a puppet of American Corporate interest too. Its too bad that there are not more men and women of integrity in the United States and Israel but this entire scenario has been a genocide purpetrated on the Serbian Eastern Orthodox Christian people. The question is still this, what other reasons do they have for mass murder and genocide of so many Christians in Serbia?????????????

Even Michael Savage agrees with what I have just written and has called these Neocons who orchestrated this foreign policy mass murder against Serbia traitors as well as the Arab partly owned NEOCON network...FOX NEWS...AND ITS LOLIPOP COMENTATORS LIKE NEIL CAVUTO.

America had better wake up before its too late and they start assisting them in mass murder and genocide of Christians in the United States of America. Wonder why no one else writes about this except Pat Buchanan???? This is one of the biggest foreign policy bungles since YALTA. ??

Just when we were wondering why Kosovo
which is mostly Moslem would get preferential treatment by Madeleine Albright while Serbia a mostly protestant christian nation was bombed for almost one hundred days..during her tenure as secretary of state? Now, we learn her former boss and his wife are about to be tied up in a law suit that will pretty much knock the socks off of the Democratic establishment.

WHAT DOES BILL DO NOW? WHERE WILL HE AND HILLARY GO WHEN THIS CAN OF WORMS IS OPENED????


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Bush
The Bush government falling all over itself to recognize the new "albanian state" makes me shake my head. First Clinton then Bush support policies that hammer the Serb Christians by forcing them to give away their land to people who want to kill them. Bush at the same time uses his power and our brave men and women in the armed forces to hunt down Muslim's so they do not attack our country and kill us. Something is wrong with this picture. My heart breaks for those Serbs who live in the new "albanian state" because they are about to lose everything they worked their whole lives for. Bush said a few days ago that he wanted the Serbian people to know that they have a friend in the United States. I could not believe he said that after what we have done to the Serbs. I cannot express how sorry I am that I voted for Bush twice. After starting strong I believe history will remember him as Carter's equal.

Will we never learn?
As stated earlier, we are truly a ship of fools. The Constitution was written to require great deliberation before going to war or creating vast government programs or interfering in the lives of the people.

We continue to ignore and abandon this document to our great peril. What earthly business does Washington have bombing Kosovo, or mandating classroom standards or calling Roger Clemens on the carpet? Answer: NONE.

We are governed by thieves and idiots who couldn`t drive a nail or balance a checkbook yet they have the arrogance to invade and ordain every facet of our lives. And worse...WE LET THEM.

The Serbs were wrong
Slobby Milosevic was a war criminal.

Whether the U.S. should have intervened in Kosovo depends on your
foreign policy beliefs and principles. Pat is an isolationist.

One thing is for sure what we did was not immoral.

Pot calling the Kettle-
But surely the USA exists on ethnic, tribal and religious lines where minorities are tolerated and most of the tribes are based on politics or religious sectarianism. I think there is some confusion here as a result of spin rather than fact or strange reporting. I am reminded of a recent remark on this HYS concerning Muslims which said "We have all seen Paris burning". Rubbish, what we all saw on TV was two small streets in one small suburb where some cars had been set alight by a group of unemployed youths and it lasted a few days because the Police were very controlled.Please lets have some facts, rather than extremist and fanatical hate rants. I was in Paris at the time,had some pleasant days and I didn't even see or hear any of it. I have also been on holiday in Dubrovnik a few weeks ago and travelled freely into Kosovo. The people were dressed like me and my wife and most could speak English. We looked at some churches there, all intact and not being burnt. I am not saying radical Islam is not a serious threat and I am not sure where this agenda comes from but I am sure that there is a lot of wild exaggeration and hate propaganda.

SERBS SIMPLY DON'T HAVE NUKES
With all the rhetoric about "what about Taiwan" and other instances of non-intervention by the United States (not to mention North Korea), it is plain to seen that if an aggressor nation can truly play "hard ball" with the U.S. we will fold up our tent and steal into the night. The Serbs, while not in line for a "humanitarian" of the year award were still more deserving of our support rather than our bombs. Islam is the ultimate enemy to western freedom and faith.We will cower before her in the end game, unless we are willing to take world leadership, using ANY tool in our arsenal to stem the tide. This false faith is deserving no less consideration/mercy than the Nazis or the Japanese threat of the 1940's. I do fear, however, that the current generation of politicians is simply cut from much meeker cloth than their fathers and grandfathers were.

Demonizing Serbs
We had no business intervening in the mess. Clinton did it because Madeleine Albright told him to. Totally nonsenseical and a waste of our resources. The fact that we sided with Muslims didn't stop 9-11, did it?

The new Caesar?
Is Bush the new Caesar? While America is not the Holy Roman Empire we seem to be drawing some parallels as we poke our noses anywhere and every where; while at the same time, failing to prevent the "Balkanization" taking place on our own soil.

That was 1989, this is 2008

On June 5, 1989, we drove from Greece, through Serbia on our way to Northern Europe. A few weeks earlier there was a riot near Skopje, Yugoslavia and about 25 people were killed.

I had listened to short-wave news broadcasts every day, and had heard of no problems until the previous day, when we heard that one person was killed.

We must drive through this part of the country (about the only road from Greece to northern Europe), but will make sure we don't have to spend a night.

As we drive through the provence of Kosovo, through the cities of Skopje and Pristina, we see more police and Army than we like to see.

A couple of weeks from now, in mid June, there is to be a celebration of a war in 1389, 600 years ago, when the Ottoman Turks defeated the Serbs in the famous "Battle of Polje."

The funny thing is, as I understand it, the Serbs lost the battle, but are going to have a big celebration. I have done but little research, and have yet to find why the Serbs celebrate a defeat in battle.

In 1989 they expected hundreds of thousands of Slavs to be here for the special weekend. The big problem is, this area is the homeland for the Albanian-Yugoslavian people.

This is one part of Europe we wanted to visit again, as the people were wonderful, the scenery was beautiful and unexplainable.

But that was 1989, the war was 1990 to 1997, and I’m sure it is different now.

From what I understand, one of the potential problems with the separation by Kosovo in 2008, is that the location of the ground of the "Battle of Polje” would be under control of non-Serbs. That may well be a major part of the expected “problem.”

Turkey
"But Turkey is also likely to re-raise the issue as to why the EU and United States do not formally recognize the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus."

If Turkey dares raises this issue then we can raise the issue of a free Kurdistan, no?

Ditto Pat
Compelling self interest would seem to be the commons sense rule that justifies force. After all, if that is not present, then any justification can be advanced. If the basis is democracy dressed up as self-interest, we would have an unlimited number of potential targets. Perhaps we could start with Chad, Somalia, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Libya, and any number of additional countries. Pat's questions often hit home. What is our interest in Kosovo? I read another article recently in which the action in Iraq is projected to increasingly destabilize other countries in the region occupied by significant minorities whose borders are also suspect. Add in those areas mentioned by Pat, and we will certainly have plenty to do for many generations. Assuming Democracy is the justification. But Kosovo? Ironic how we are met with the announcement, but dead silence when it comes to explaining why we have done this.

Rufus
I'm an ardent reader of Pat Buchanan and I have the highest regards for his honesty, sincerity and conviction. May be if you are not so cocooned in left wing ideology and willing buyer to the main stream media's portrayal of Pat, you would know the truth. Not by using inane sentences such as "cheering the execution..."

No one is ever advocating bombing the muslim nations (Well perhaps, Ann Coulter did) back to the stone age (Hmmm...aren't they already stuck there anyway)? The west had the means to do it though, for as long as we know. The question here is creating more Islamic republics good for the world??? If UK feels they have a right to hold onto Northern Ireland, why not the Serbians to Kosovo? Turkey has no moral claim to Northern Cyprus, but by recognizing Kosovo, they feel they are nudging their agenda of recognition of northern Cyprus. While the same Turks will oppose tooth and nail any formation of a Kurdistan. The Belgians will recognize Kosovo, while conviniently forgetting that the chickens will come to roost the Wallon and the Flemish. Spain is right to refuse Kosovo's statehood and not risk its multi ethnic statehood. So, what is right and wrong anymore? US may have recognized Kosovo today, but I challenge its moral authority in recognizing the fledgling genuine freedom aspirations across the world, shall we say lets start with Taiwan? Oh no, can US antagonize China??? may be not directly but take a pot shot in blowing up another Chinese embassy with an excuse of mistaken identity. Best US can do....

Is there an upper case & lower case JDW?
JDW Writes:

"Outside the protection of the U.S. Constitution, there is no law, except those rules we can enforce."

I actually agree with you. There is a concept known as realism in which there is no such thing as international law, that states exist in perfect freedom to do as they wish to pursue their interests and the ultimate arbiter of disputes is force. Basically that the international arena is a Hobbesian state of nature.

And while the US needs no permission to use its forces (or anyone else for that matter), realism usually demands that states act as rational actors who use force to pursue their interests, how did attacking Serbia over Kosovo do this?

The French at least had a reason to help the Americans. The Americans had no reason to aide the Kosovors.




Oh, really, Pat?
"And we had no more right to bomb Belgrade than the Royal Navy would have had to bombard New York in the Confederate War."

Oh, really Mr. Buchanan? And just what was the French fleet doing at Yorktown, during our War of independence, hm?

" By intervening in a civil war to aid the secession of an ancient province, to create a new nation that has never before existed and, to erect it along ethnic, religious and tribal lines, we have established a dangerous precedent."

Kinda like the French interfered in a civil war between the British crown and his rebellious colonies.

We we on the wrong side in the Balkans. But I'm tired of hearing people talk-down the U.S. as if we require some legal "right" to send our troops to do our will anywhere in the world. We don't. Outside the protection of the U.S. Constitution, there is no law, except those rules we can enforce.


And here I thought this editorial was going to be about the Balkanization of the United States.

Bush
Well, if not Taiwan, how about Xinjiang then? They are Muslim too and many of the Uighers would like Xinjiang to be free of the PRC. When is NATO planning to bomb Beijing? Maybe during the Olympics--kill two birds with one stone.


Akagi
I agree with your point on Taiwan.

If Bush believes everyone has a right to self-determination and "liberty"(God, I get so tired of Bush's imbecilic invocations of that term), then he ought to have the intellectual honesty and consistency to favor the rights of the Taiwanese people with the same fervor he reserves for the Kosovo Muslims.

Or, since he apparently favors liberty for Muslims over liberty for the rest of humanity, why not support the liberty of Muslim Kurds to form their own nation from land currently defined as northern Iraq and Turkey?

Don't think you'll see Bush going down that road.

Intellectual consistency and rationality were never Bush hallmarks.

Nine months until the election. Nine more months of this fool in the whitehouse.

I know January 20th, 2009 is the official day.

Our nation will be liberated...but what worries me is...liberated from the frying pan into the fire.

Obama, Hillary and McCain are all quite scary.

But in terms of sheer incompetence, Bush has no equal, except perhaps Jimmy Carter.

It would be a close call.

Islam's land
Well, southern Thailand, Western China (Xinjiang), Southern Philippines, southern Spain, among others were Islamic or currently have a majority Islamic population and are ruled by a non-Islamic state--so not so sure how true it is that non-Islamic places will always be so.

As for Kosovo, it was Islamic before it left Serbian/Yugoslav control.

As for treaties, the Court has basically ruled that a President can withdraw from them without any advice and consent from the Senate. See Goldwater V. Carter in regards to the ROC-US Mutual Defense Treaty. And as for recognition, that is up to the President and his decision alone.

Lincoln
Since Georgia, Mississippi among others broke away from a greater America, did Lincoln have the right to prevent this? Does the PRC have the right to stop Taiwan from "seceeding" or Tibet or Xinjiang or say Neimenggu and Qinghai?

Even if Serbia did what you claim, what business of the US is it? Should the US have used force in East Timor or Aceh? Did not the Javanese try to create a greater Java (usually known as Indonesia)?


Akagi
Article ll , Section 2, Constitution grants the President Treaty authority with Advice and Consent of the Senate with a 2/3 vote. Recognition is not a treaty but it is an important action and there should be more process and procedure than just sticking our finger in Russia's eye. This whole action smells of disengagement by NATO with US concurrence. The State Department is run by the SecState a cabinet post under the Executive Branch. The SecState is answerable to the President directly, he/she takes no substantive action without the President's concurrence. BIG MISTAKE--Under Sharia Law once a piece of our planet(real estate) becomes Muslim by religion it can NEVER revert or change to anything else. This is the basis for all the problems with Israel--to solve the Israeli/ Palistinian problem, the Jews must surrender their government in toto, so it can revert back to Muslim. Nothing else will ever be acceptable to the Palistinians. Anwar Sadat tried to recognize Israel's right to exist on Palistinian soil--assassination was swift.

interesting questions bad discussion
There is an interesting debate to be had over the wisdom of allowing and recognizing the independence of Kosovo. Unfortunately this is not that debate.

There are many areas in the world with badly drawn borders and in the name of preventing the chaos that would follow we have generally tried to convince countries to stick with the present borders regardless. This has also been done to avoid rewarding the kinds of war crimes that happened in Bosnia.

But trying to maintain unstable borders is no panacea anyway.

But to have the debate in this fictitious world in which Serbia was humiliated for no good reason does nothing to illuminate the debate. Serbia was humiliated because it started a series of nationalistic conflicts in order to create a greater Serbia, and it was rightly prevented from doing so by the US and allies. (Not always cleanly as the massacre in Srebinica shows).

One problem with this ahistorical approach to the issue is that it makes it harder to draw the lines that might prevent the spread of secession. Ideally one would point to the behavior of Serbia to show what makes Kosovo different. But that becomes harder when isolationists like Buchanan try to distort the situation in the region in their campaign for isolationism.

NATO
The only reason it was a NATO operation was because China and Russia rightfully refused to go along with it and would have vetoed any UN action.

Clinton needed some sort of "cover" that this was not simply the US beating up on another hapless victim, so it used NATO. Nevermind that NATO was a defensive alliance to "protect" Western Europe from the Soviets, not as an offensive hammer to batter sovereign states who were no threat to either the US or any NATO country. And you wonder why the Russians aren't exactly jumping in the streets regarding NATO eastward moves?




And how does atrocities there effect you
The Bosnian incursion was a NATO operation, not a unilateral US operation.

Europe always takes precedent over Asia and Africa, with the exception of the current Afghanistan incursion.

It does
utahnotmormon writes:

"...where Serbian atrocities are well documented and justified intervention.

Really..it does. And how does atrocities there effect you or the US? Should the US invade every country where atrocities take place? Then why did it not go and stop what the Javanese were doing to the Chinese or Xizang (Tibet), various places in Africa, the Solomons? Where exactly is the US interest in Bosnia?

Robert, you fool
The EP-3 Orion wasn't shot down--it was collided with by a J-8 fighter which was being piloted by Wang Wei, a reckless pilot who had buzzed American flights in the South China Sea before. This time he got too close and as they say "traded paint" The EP-3 Orion survived, the J-8 didn't--it crashed into the sea and his worthless body was never found--fish food.

Then the crew of the EP-3 Orion did the unthinkable--they flew to Hainan--not Vietnam, not Taiwan, but Hainan--which belongs to the country they were monitoring. The plane landed at a base at Lingshui (means "mound" and "water") and held for 9 days. The crew was released and the plan returned later in pieces.

Oh and for your UPS fans, as the crew was being held as hostages, UPS continued its "China Service kickoff" as planned. So much for support the troops huh?


Distinctions
Those who have studied the region understand that Kosovo and Bosnia are completely different circumstances.

While it's true that the situation in Kosovo was largely blown out of proportion by Clinton and the media, the same can't be said for Bosnia, where Serbian atrocities are well documented and justified intervention.

WTF?
Robert writes: "Ah the best fears of
Patrick J...the joy Patty is that what you are saying about "brown people" they use to say about your relatives."

What does this have to do with this topic? This is about the US getting into a civil war it had no business getting involved in, and siding with one side against the other (and probably siding with the wrong side to boot). If the US wants to go around in imperial fashion carving out pieces of territory of sovereign states and not even doing so to foster its interests why not other ethnic enclaves in Europe? At least when it stole Panama from Colombia it had a valid reason--the canal. This makes no sense at all and again I'll ask the question Robert, if the US can go to bat for Kosovo, why not Taiwan?



Authority
Warrior asked: "Where does our State Department get the authority to recognize a "split-away" in just hours after the action is taken?"

The same one that gave Carter the right to switch recognition to the PRC and withdraw from the 1954 ROC-US Mutual Defense Treaty the same year. This decision wasn't the State Department acting on its own, but a decision by the President.

My question
Since Bush has seen fit to recognize Kosovo's independence, why has he and his administration (Rice and Powell) done everything to oppose even minor moves by Taiwan to excercise its rights in the international arena--such as joining the WHO or the UN? A move to join the UN under the name Taiwan was called "provocative" by his Secretary of State, Dr. Rice. So, if joining the UN is provocative, is de jure independence not? If the US won't support Taiwan's independence if that is the will of the Taiwanese majority, why support Kosovo's? Because unlike Kosovo, Taiwan has not for a single day been under the authority of the PRC, while Kosovo had been ruled by Serbia for centuries. So much for the Bush Doctrine I guess. I suppose all democracies are equal, but some democracies are more equal than others.



Gray Ghost
Let's hope it doesn't repeat again, but it is looking like with the ambassador of hope it most likely will.

George Bush has lost his mind.
Oh, that's right. Just like Bill Clinton, he doesn't have one.

Kosovo Independence
LA, Phoenix, Tucson, El Paso and many other US cities are already majority Hispanic, and many of those majorities are due to illegal invaders.

If tens of millions of illegals push the southwest into majority Mexican, will the Southwest US be allowed to proclaim independence?

With McCain, Obama, or Hillary, sadly, the answer is yes.

What Will Happen to Serbs in Kosovo
I received the following e-mail from Serbia. I edited for space. The celebration of independence will go for about 2 weeks. Once celebrations are over those who believe in independence will go from home to home and tell the Serbian population 'you owe us taxes to live in this home and if you do not pay then you must leave this property within 24 hours!' It will be the same for those who own farms and businesses. If taxes are not paid then the property becomes the new Independent State’s land! The UN peace-keeping troops will leave the region or troops will decrease, and then the Independent State shall then make their move to destroy or take over local towns, cities, and the Serbian Orthodox Churches, Monasteries and local cemeteries!
Individuals who are a part of this independence shall march to our Serbian Orthodox Churches and monasteries and declare the property no longer belongs to the Church but to the new Independent State. Monks, nuns, and priests will “go missing” if they do not leave their churches or monasteries. Local towns and cities with the Serbian population will be attacked and more citizens will flee for their lives. There will be an increase of missing Serbian men, women, and children! Children will be in fear to come out of their homes or even go to school! The Holy Orthodox faith within the region of Kosovo/Metohija will decrease with increased persecution of its loving Christians. Some in the new Independent State will say they want to see local Serbian Orthodox Churches and Monasteries restored but only for tourist reasons. Lies about the destruction of more than 150 Serbian Orthodox Churches will continue unnoticed; 99% of these churches and monasteries where destroyed after the war was over, not during the war! Rumors of war will increase throughout the region. God weeps! Kosovo/Metohija, Serbia and always will be Serbia forever! Pray and fast for all of Serbia, pray and pray! May our Gracious God be Merciful!

Prediction: History will Blame...
President Carter: For giving the world a highly dangerous, Radical Islamic Iran.

President Clinton: For giving the world a highly dangerous, Radical Islamic Kosovo.

History repeats itself under two highly stupid, and highly Liberal Dumocrat, US presidents.

The Moral of the Story
Ain't Diversity Great!

The accompanying photo by.....
...(AP Photo/Christian Lutz) shows an attractive (looks college aged) young woman. I hope the AP photographers and the AP itself keep track of her and then report how long it took for her to either be killed or subdued to burka status.

Just a thought to add to this discussion, is that we might consider the balkanization of this (U.S.) country which became popular under, and advocated by, the Clintons and their regime under the guise of political correctness. It (P C ) is now tearing this country apart while we (U.S. population) consider electing another Clinton or Clinton clone (B O). Two toads that will take US to total destruction.

Have a good day

TBC `:>(

The US
America is allowing Mexicans to carve out huge sections of the Southwest in the name of self determination. Why would anyone believe we would object anywhere else on the planet? Really object now, not lip service.

Warrior
We already have our historical example of our hypocrisy, the Civil War (or as I was always told, the War of Northern Aggression).
We, nor NATO (formed as a common defense league of member nations, and not an aggressor, "strong arm" of interventionist policy) had any mandate to interfer in the internal affairs of Serbia.
The really sad thing is that if they were going to partition Greater Serbia, creating a new nation, why couldn't they have had the wisdom to divide out the Serb dominated areas of Kosovo, leaving them with Serbia? Some Serb enclaves would have to be abandoned, but I'm sure asset swaps could have been arranged with Muslims who would be left in Serb dominated Kosovo (still a part of Greater Serbia), and there is one historically sacred area to the Orthodox Serbian people which now will be within another nation, Kosovo, and this area should be made into an international zone, still under UN control, but Serbian administration. I mean if your going to partition, do it so that the least future possibility of violence is addressed by the new borders!

Pat's right ...
... the neocons wanted to show the Moslem world that the US would oppose Christians in Serbia and support Moslems in Kosovo -- a historic first, by the way.

A lot of good it did us. It just proved that the US was a post-Christian nation in deep decline. The rest is history.

BOTTOMLESS PIT

.....Good Article Pat ...

.....There have been tribal, ethnic, National, and religious wars going on in that part of the World since the dawn of civilization ...I don't understand our strategic interest getting involved in these endless squabbles ...

.....Clinton wanted a place for himself in the History books and GW sees himself as the Johnny Appleseed of Democracy ...it looks more like an ego trip for both Presidents than sound foreign policy decisions ...

.....How come neither our original involvement in the conflict nor our recognition of a KLA state was run through our Congress? .....COLOSSUS

Monica's War
The Serb's to this day call the bombing from the Americans "Monica's War".
Clinton needed something to get Monica off of the front pages, so he started bombing a loyal historical Ally of ours that was fighting Muslim terrorists.

The Serbs must shake their heads in disbelief when America talks about fighting the war on terror when we came to rescue of terrorists just as they were being defeated.

Before everyone gets all giddy about a new nation remember all the other areas that want to secede. What do we do when the Kurds want to leave Turkey and Iraq? How about Taiwan? French speaking Canadians? The list go on and on.

To all Serbs, I am sorry my country is run by idiots and I hope you get your country back together soon.
P.S. the next time America needs your help, tell us to go to hell. If this is how it treats it's Allies, you would be better off being the enemy. Maybe you should declare your self a terrorist nation. America seems to like helping them more than helping Allies.

One Last Thought
Suppose our 20 million illegal Mexicans all migrated to Texas; they would then be the majority of the population there. Next they declared themselves an independent country. What would be our action, after Russia, Venezuela, North Korea, China, Mexico, the rest of South America, and Spain all recognized this new country. We are a ship of fools.

Great Work Pat
"But there was no genocide. This was propaganda."

Really?

You mean people died when Clinton lied?

I have distinct specific recall of William Cohen on all the Sunday shows with an aerial photo of "mass graves." I remember laughing at the pictures of disturbed earth noting that it was impossible to distinguish them from any common excavation. Yet, this was never challenged - either in the media or by Republicans.

Perhaps worst of all, we just bombed the place till we ran out of bombs. Milosovic was still in power when we stopped, we made it worse than before. It's almost unimaginable that the site of the 1984 Winter Olympics is now a devestated skeleton of a city with little hope for any immediate future.

Ummm....

Maybe Obama should stop by - at least then they'd have hope.

Authority?
Where does our State Department get the authority to recognize a "split-away" in just hours after the action is taken? Either we were involved in the decision for independence and helped in its implementation or our Government is so arrogant it believes it can act to recognize a new nation without consulting the American people. What was the hurry? We need to reverse this decision now? Bush needs to face us and justify or negate this stupidity. I am Conservative and I smell Impeachment blood in the air.

Clintons and Bushes
These people rate up there with Carter and JFK. None knew what they should do. Their political instinct - just do something. The two Bushes, Carter and JFK blew it big when faced with a war-like problem. There is one thing common among them, they are surrounded by politicians and political hacks. If Europe cannot control its factions, why should I worry about it. Oil? They will not like us? How about more muslims into Euro-Europe? They are essentially unconscious as to what is happening to them. And it is spreading like wildfire here in the US.

Banana Republic . . .
All this talk among black folks and accusations about whether Obama is "black" enough, criticism of those who support Clinton for "not being black enough" . . . . scary stuff, folks. This is tribal racism at its worst. Can you imagine whites going on like this? They would fairly be accused of being bigoted racists. Why does this concern me? Because it seems as though we are becoming even MORE obssessed with skin color and exclusion/inclusion based thereon. And just visit Somalia, South Africa, or the Balkan states to see what that turns into after a while. And the odd thing is, this is going on in the Democratic Party, and among minorities ("African"Americans, as well as Feminists).

Maybe Barack's rise will finally give this country the chance to discuss at least some aspects of race honestly.

Is that what it is?
> Now in a War on Terror against Muslims <

And here I thought the War on Terror was against terrorists.

Both Clinton, G.W. Bush are ignorant.
Bill Clinton made the historic blunder of bombing Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslims, many of whom were radicals in the KLA, over imaginary charges of mass graves, in the tens of thousands, supposedly committed by Serbs against Kosovo Muslims.

It was a bogus charge. What ethnic cleansing did occur was as much the fault of the Muslims as the Serbs.

Clinton Secretary of State Madeleine Albright despised the Serbs, and especially Milosevic, and duped an ignorant Bill Clinton into doing her bidding there. She wanted the war.

Albright's press spokesman was James Rubin, who was married to CNN's Christiane Amanpour, who was tasked by CNN with covering the Kosovo war for the American audience. Rubin fed Amanpour the "perspective" of the war, which she disseminated to an unwary public.

So what coverage the American public received on the war was slanted thru the prism of Albright-Rubin-Amanpour.

One sided and anti-Serb. Bombing of the Serbs was "payback" for their fathers and grandfathers who risked their lives in saving our downed U.S. pilots over Nazi Europe in WW2.

Yes, I am being sarcastic.

And now we have the abysmal ignorance of G.W. Bush in calling for "freedom" for the Muslims in Kosovo.

If Muslims in the Serbian province of Kosovo can break away to form their own nation, attain their "freedom", why can't Muslims in the Kurdish region of Iraq break away and form their own nation there?

After all, Bush does blather on about "freedom" and "self-determination" in the Muslim world.

Wonder what he would have to say about partitioning of Iraq so its various peoples can have their "freedom"?

Bush is either too stupid or too dogmatic to see what is fair for the goose is fair for the gander.

Creating more Muslim nation-states in Europe is a bad idea. It will destablize other nations with muslim populations.

Good Question
Message question from the Captain of an aircraft carrier headed for its station off the coast south of Serbia just prior to our bombing campaign of Kosovo under Clinton. "Moving toward our position off Kosovo. We will be on station in 4 hours. Which side are we on?" This question may be a myth or truth; I am not sure but based on what I knew at the time, this sounded like a question any reasonable Commander would have had to ask. There was no clear reason for our involvement and every Officer I knew was perplexed by our intervention.

Sides
We have chosen the wrong side in Kosovo. We helped the Muslim extremist win a civil war against the Serbs. Clinton said there had been 100,000 Muslims killed by Serbians in a genocide--that was a lie. Purposely told by the most corrupt regime in American history to justify a bombing campaign. There was never any evidence of a genocide and there never has been any proof of one since. Now in a War on Terror against Muslims we rush to recognize a rogue Muslim state created without vote, and against the objections of its Serbian minority, without clear reason or purpose. The USA, my fatherland, my country, is now clearly a loose cannon that cannot be trusted to act with reason or without bias. What will be our course of action if Texas, California, Arizona, or New Mexico decide to secede and form an independent Mexican heavy country. What leg will we have left to stand on.

Mushroom Clouds
If the Balkan tribes had slaughtered each other into extinction, how would it affect our lives?

Instead of being grateful for having a great neighbor like Canada and even a mediocre, but mostly harmless, neighbor in Mexico we've played the world's busybody.

When the people in whose business we've interfered develop WMDs the Bushites will probably say NYC exists no more because we're free. I'll refer them to Pat's columns.

Bravo, just bravo, dear Mr. Buchanan !
What do we, americans, need form suothern caucasian state Georgia, so that our Sate Department is so eager to pull that state into NATO ? I do not see anything.

I think Russia, even being a strategic competitor of USA, is much more important to USA than Georgia.

Nos Nevets talks of a "conscience"
.... and, in the same sentence, of a Cli'ton.

What a joke that would be but for the deadly serious reality, that includes that every loathsome and fearsome member of the systemically predatory, recidivistic, treasonous, lumpen, lying, looting, mass-murdering, co-serial-rapist Cli'ton Crime Family, even including Web Hubbell's organ-grinder monkey-like and frequently pimped kid, Chelsea Cli'ton, is a bloody psychopath.

Rufus
Hey rufus, you are describing what happens in MUSLIM countries. Us Christians put up with soo much BS in OUR lands that if the Muslims were subjected to the amount of BS, they would have committed several WWII genocides by now!

ravich
Isn't it horrible that there are independent states where majority of citizens are muslims., maybe US should bomb them into smithereens in the name of Christianity. Or why not let the muslims of Kosovo to be killed in concentrqation camps by Serbs... with enhusiastic Christianists and Pat Buchanan cheering at every execution.


Destruction with a smile
I cant agree more on the views you expressed. It is a shame and disgrace that Kosovo an independent islamic republic (yeah they claim secular....while burning down the churches) is created in the name of self determination. The Serbs have been humiliated, subjected to indignities, forced to endure an illegal war and finally have to part with their ancestral lands while marauding mobs of islamic albanians destroy the great cultural and learning centers of orthodox church.

How Kosovo will end up is anyone's guess. Poor, rampant unemployment, corrupt, seething with ethnic hatred and finally ISLAMIC. A perfect recipe for extremism. Care to analyze how Islam becomes very strong in impoverished areas? One question, why is that when islamic followers become a numerical majority in a region they just dont want to do anything with the state anymore? Thailand, Philippines, India, Russia, Serbia etc., are living proof of this. One day when Londonistan becomes a reality, I hope US will be equally courteous to recognize it, or the algerians carving out a piece of France US will label it as self determination.

overreacting to doing nothing in Ruwanda
Maybe it was an overreaction to a previous underreaction.
I understand it bothers Clinton's conscience that he stood by while that genocide took place.

He does seem to have a defective conscience, so I can see how it might not serve him well on moral questions.

The Dhimmicrats
Is it any surprise our 1990s Dhimmi leadership of Klinton, Half-bright, HOLEbrook, and Cohen led us into an Islamic-appeasing endeavor of bombing our Christian brothers back to the stone age?

Oh, and where did the funding come for the Klinton library?

I relish the day the Russians tell NATO & the U.S. to "pashol na hoohy" and proceed to eradicate the Muslims from the Balkans, "a la Vlad the Impaler."
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