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Friday, February 15, 2008
Pat Buchanan :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Jena Six -- and Other Scams
by Pat Buchanan
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"(S)ome Americans do not understand why the sight of a noose causes such a visceral reaction," declared President Bush to the White House gathering for Black History Month.

As The Washington Post rushed to remind us, President Bush was "responding to news coverage of such episodes as the 'Jena Six.'"

But if history is about truth, not myth, that news coverage deserves another look, before the Jena Six enter the history books alongside Emmett Till and "the Scottsboro Boys."

By now, most folks know the media story. White students at Jena High in Louisiana hung nooses on a tree to warn black students not to sit under it. After a fistfight over this racist outrage, black kids in the fight were indicted for attempted murder, while the white racists who hung the nooses walked away with a verbal spanking.

Last September, 20,000 traveled to Jena to march against this prosecutorial outrage. Fortunately, however, there are still a few real journalists around. Among them are Craig Franklin, assistant editor of the Jena Times, whose wife teaches at Jena High, and Charlotte Allen, who wrote an extended piece for The Weekly Standard. According to Allen and Franklin, here are the facts and chronology you have been denied by the Mainstream Media.

There never was a "whites-only" tree at Jena High. Both races sat under it, though whites congregated there. The nooses, or lariats, were the work of three young teens, who got the idea from watching "Lonesome Dove" on TV, where rustlers are hanged.

Franklin says they were a joke aimed at white friends on the rodeo team. As they were painted in Jena High's gold and black, Allen reports that the kids said the nooses were directed at a rival school's Western-themed football team.

When school officials confronted them, all were remorseful. All had black friends, and none knew the nooses were offensive to blacks.

Far from being let off, they spent "nine days at an alternative facility, followed by two weeks of in-school suspension, Saturday detentions, attendance at Discipline Court and evaluations by licensed mental-health professionals."

They were not prosecuted for a hate crime because none of those who investigated the incident believed they committed a hate crime. Hung on Aug. 31, 2006, the nooses had been taken down instantly. Only a few students ever saw them. Case closed.

September, October and November passed at Jena High with no racial conflict emanating from the noose incident of August.

On Dec. 1, however, Robert Bailey Jr. tried to crash a party at the Fair Barn in Jena. One Justin Sloan, 22, not a student, put a fist in his face. So witnesses and Bailey reported to police. And Sloan was prosecuted for battery.

On Dec. 2, Bailey and two friends jumped a white male entering the "Gotta Go" grocery. When the latter ran to get a shotgun out of his car, they wrested it from him and took it. So two witnesses at the "Gotta Go" agreed.

Two days later came the "schoolyard fight." Only this was no fight. Black students barricaded an exit to the gym and lay in wait for Justin Barker. As Barker went for another exit, he was struck in the head from behind by Mychal Bell. Multiple witnesses say Barker fell unconscious as a gang of eight or 10 blacks stomped and kicked him in the head. The assistant principal who reached Barker thought he was dead. Barker's emergency room bill ran to more than $5,000.

When the six were arrested and charged with attempted second-degree murder, none of them and none of the witnesses mentioned the noose incident. It had had nothing to do with this vicious racist assault.

After the charges were reduced to battery, Bell, tried as an adult, was indeed convicted by an all-white jury -- because no blacks answered the summons to the jury pool. Why was Bell prosecuted as an adult? Because he had four prior convictions for crimes of violence.

After his conviction was overturned, Bell was ordered retried as a juvenile. Rather than face the same 17 witnesses, he pled guilty in December to hitting Barker from behind, slamming his head into a concrete beam and kicking him in the head. Sentenced to 18 months in juvenile detention, he agreed to testify against his co-conspirators.

While some $500,000 has been raised for the Jena Six defense, its whereabouts is unknown. Bailey did pose on the Internet grinning, however, with $100 bills in his mouth. Bell's mom is said to be driving a new Jaguar, and Bailey's mom a new Beamer. Two other Jena Sixers, Carwin Jones and Bryant Purvis, appeared in rapper attire on Black Entertainment Television as presenters of a Hip-Hop Award.

A week ago, 6-foot, 6-inch Purvis, who had transferred to Hebron High in Carrollton, Texas, was charged with assault, choking a student and ramming his head into a bench.

And that's the Saga of The Jena Six. It belongs right up there with the Rev. Al's other classics: Tawana Brawley and the Duke rape case.

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white male with a gun
Claims self defense. This has never been proven.

I'm sorry....

Poor, victim whites in the South had no idea nooses would incite emotion and possible violence.

I will never ever believe that one.

(this in the land where they just had a "mixed" race prom for the 1st time last year!!!)

I was at restaurant the other day. This waiter refused to wait on a a younger black guy. When the kid asked for the corporate number to file a complaint...the waiter said "Who are they going to believe...me or YOU!"

I intervened and said.."they will believe me, so you better start looking for a new job"

This stuff happens ALL the time. My boyfriend is from Mexico and looks (besides gorgeous) VERY..well Mexican. While driving to my parents from CA to PA, the Oklahoma police decide to interrogate us, rip my car apart, point guns, and cuff me. When they realized their sick bigoted plans backfired on them I was "let go" with a warning. I have started a lawsuit and I will not quit until those officers are in prison.

THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME AND PEOPLE ARE FED UP!

America can shell out billions for war...but not even consider retributions for slavery (to finally bring healing) Talk is cheap...pay up and move on. PROVE that you are serious...that you care...that you think it is important to right our wrongs.

And then you can go back to bashing gays and write articles on how Matthew Shepard "had it coming".......

Wow matthew....
Since there are about 20 million illegal Mexicans (and others) in the US, why not pull you over? I mean come on! Get with reality! 20 million criminals running about and you complain about this? I highly doubt your story is true anyways. And nobody wants to hear about your sodomite lifestyle, thank you very much.

"America can shell out billions for war...but not even consider retributions for slavery (to finally bring healing) "

And thee 'ol retribution game. I find this a dubious and pointless area. If retributions are going to be paid, I certainly hope Muslims started a trust fund 1400 years ago because from what I have studied in history, they owe about $10000 trillion to Europeans whom they enslaved or used in their harems. (kidnapping over 1 million Christians between 1500 and 1800 from Newfoundland to Iceland to Greece) And let's not forget that they took OUR Holy Land.
As for black slavery, I hope that your fellow blacks (assuming you are black) have money to give you because they went into the jungles and enslaved you and then brought you to the ports to trade. And while we are at it, why doesn't Europe sue the Asians for the Bubonic Plague that killed 1/3 of the population?

And to bring healing? Really? Pray tell, how is a 64 inch, plasma flat screen TV bring healing? I'm curious. Or a Jaguar for that matter?

Your talk is cheap and reparations are completely unfounded nonsense. Stop trying to play the victim card that seems so popular in society these days and actually WORK if you want money so badly.

Do us all a favour Mat, and leave the US if it is so bad. Just go. I heard France is nice this time of year and has excellent sodomite lifestyle choices.

"mathew"
I'm sorry, but your kind of race bating hate speech is welcome at the daily kuss, but not here little rumpkin. We know all about a.c.l.u. types like you around here so just go peddle your wares elsewhere.

Also, if you want "white America" to pay for the sins of 6 generations past, then you should be glad to be rolled by a couple of Oklahomas' finest because they were just trying to get reparations from your boyfriend for all of the destruction his amigos have wrought on this great country.

And besides, if this place sucks so d***n bad, why don't you go where the pastures are so much greener? Like in Cuba for instance! Freaking commie whiner!

Also...
Mat, you seem to have this racist attitude toward white males. I take offense to this and hope you will change your ways. I suggest you stop pretending living in the ante bellum South and wake up to reality. There is no room for your la raza or black panther antics nor the kkk.

"Claims self defense. This has never been proven."

um mm, yes it has... it seems you absolutely hate facts (it's okay, all dems do) This whole Jena thing has proven to be a flop. "rev." Sharpton believed he smelt a gold mine and decided to milk it. But alas ,you never hear anything about this in the MSM. Nor do you hear Sharpton mourn when someone who is not black is brutally killed in a race fight.


three posts....
And my case is proven.

I'm a white, gay, male AMERICAN.

How typical of you to spew assumptions....

That's half the problem isn't it?

It's what nurtures bigotry.....





How about actually responding to my fact
Tell me why blacks need reparations so badly and why TVs are such good healing gifts. (I'm thinking about buying a Panasonic LCD with the reparation money I expect to be getting shortly from the Norwegians who ravaged Scotland in the 700s). :0

Am I not allowed to have a dissenting opinion on sodomites?

Anyone?
Could someone chain this guy to the back of their truck and drag him out of my misery? Oh, nevermind. Turns out he likes that sort of thing.

Plasma TV's?
Chock full of stereotypes? huh. The sodomite thing hardly bothers me...free country you know.

Oh wait..You're actually a cheerleader for a police-state...those commie tendencies of yours are showing. (allowing police to harass and detain because of the color of your skin?...you APPROVE!) wow. just own it bigot.

Did the Norwegians create a Constitution that said ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL before they ravaged Scotland?

America did. We had a Constitution and ignored it. We must pay for our mistakes, no matter who made them or when.

Time to pay and move on. Deal with it. That's what a REAL AMERICAN would do....




Mat
Did you know that the first registered slave in North America (13 colonies) was owned by a black man? It's true.

Seeing how Africans ravaged Europeans, I say we call it a draw, okay? Reciprocal treatment. Go after the Arabs.

"Oh wait..You're actually a cheerleader for a police-state...those commie tendencies of yours are showing. (allowing police to harass and detain because of the color of your skin?...you APPROVE!)"

Anyone who took a simple law course in high school would know that the police can pull over people if they think a crime was committed, being committed or is about to be committed. Simple grade 12 law fundamentals that I still remember.

Matthew
You are a moron. Can you tell me which article of the Constitution says that all men are created equal? Have you even read the Constitution? You really don't care about facts, do you? Are you one of the Daily Kos or Media Matters idiots? Your self-hate is really showing in your posts. Could your unnatural lifestyle be causing it?

Crime?
What crime? There was no crime. I was paying a toll on the Will Rogers freeway or whatever that interstate was. I was told to get out the car...
They separated us...cuffed me and put me in a police car. My car was ripped apart...I mean RIPPED APART. My boyfriend was treated horribly and the one officer waived his gun. I was scared and angry at the same time. They told me I was in OKLAHOMA now...whatever that meant.

I was polite and mannered. I just wanted to get out of there. They will pay for this. I will never rest until justice prevails.

Why do you support this behavior? This doesn't anger you? What if this happened to someone in your family? Sick.

Oh I know...because I'm gay and my boyfriend is a naturalized Mexican American....it's ok. And you're trying to convince me that bigotry and racism doesn't exist...

That we are just self-deluded victims....right.

Typical bigots. Wait till this happens to you...because it can and it will. I'm sure you'll be completely docile and take your licks..

OH, and all men are created equal was written before the Constitution. I guess it didn't stick...you know...with all those slaves needed and all.


This is not Africa, this is not Europe
This is not the middle east...

THIS IS AMERICA!

We set the examples for the world.

Pay the reparations...

Move on.

Heal.

It's the only dignified thing to do.

I'm ready to give my share. They can start by keeping my 600 hundred dollar rebate and putting it towards the fund.

Enjoy the money. Go shopping...who cares.

We are sorry for the past. We're sorry your grandfather couldn't vote when he reached his legal age...that your grandmother had to sit in the back of the bus.

We are sorry we killed your leaders...

Refuse you service. Turn a blind eye when the police beat you. Call your communities "bad neighborhoods"...

This mess is long long long overdue. The racists dinosaurs of the past are going to be extinct soon. Let us younger ones do what they couldn't...

unite.


CarolB
On the kids who hung the nooses in Jena..... I can bet you they recognizethe historical meaning behind it and didn't realize they were being offensive to blacks. Most kids today don't know history.

The Jena Six-Let's Scam The Man
This was a scam from day one, just like the Duke Lacrosse Team accusers were scamming and a ton of money was raised for the defense fund for that one too, where did the money go? No one seems to know-try cornering Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton and ask them about the defense fund monies for both incidents.
I remember Jesse J on CNN talking about how unfortunate it is for these young "proud" black women to have to resort to dancing "nekid" in front of these men to earn a living, and a fund was started to help these "proud" black women possibly go to college and help them defend themselves against these (at the time) elitist lacrosse players, and then everybody found out they were "NIFONGED".
The long con is let's scam the white man it's in full effect, until we black victims get reparations-our forty acreas and mule, the mule being a brand new hummer, we will continue to "operation push" our way, by keeping our eyes on the prize by beating these old dead racist stories over the head with the black history month whipping stick all the while raising defense funds with no accounting.

history, we dont need no history
they are attending public schools, of course they don't know history.

matthew
Even if your story did not strain credibility to well beyond the breaking point (and even if it in any way undermined the statements in the story - which accurately reported that, yes, self-defense HAS been proven in the shotgun incident mentioned), nothing here justifies the non sequitur of bringing up reparations (or making the monumentally silly statement that they would "bring healing").

No one is alive today for whom the case can be made that they are entitled to reparations on the basis of slavery. That's a fact. No one is alive today against whom the case can be made that they are responsible for slavery and should be made financially responsible for its effects. That is also a fact.

The chief problem with the reparations argument is it attemots to attribute today's problems in the black community to the events of the EIGHTEEN sixties, when, in reality, those problems date back to the NINETEEN sixties. If you want reparations to be paid, go after everyone who voted for the [not so] "Great Society".

Here's an idea
Let's pay the reparations.

But then we eliminate:

- ALL mandatory school racial quotas
- ALL minority hiring and employment laws
- ALL federal funding for minority groups like the NAACP
- ANY and ALL government minority programs

How bout them apples Matt?
Or do you want to have your cake and eat him too?

Mathew
Im waiting for the Blacks to get their retribution money so I can sue them for 8 of my family members who fought for the UNION to free the slaves that died for them. I guess if they can get money from the White Man for slavery then they owe me for 8 of my family members who died for their freedom also.



Hate is BIG Business for the Left
The left must continue to invent racial "incidents" like Jena 6 and Brawley to stay in business. Have you ever wondered why every government form you fill out asks you to identify your race and gender? If all men/women are created equal, and the 14th Amendment requires equal treatment, race and gender should be irrelevant. The left collects the data so it can spin the numbers and create statistics to show how bad America is and how much we need the left's medicine of more government control. What a load of BS.

Brother Matthew
I know you have seen the movie, "Barbershop". Do you remember the part where the barber talks about reparations? His points rang true. We don't need reparations, we need restraint. We don't need reparations, we need dicipline. We don't need any more handouts, that has given us our current problem.
We have inner city problems, welfare, failing schools, high teen pregnacy rates, crime, poverty, etc. This all means no hope.
We need to look inward for the solutions, not towards Government. Some of our leaders and Government has assisted in the creation of our problems.

Matthew
The prospects of reparations will set racial relations back 30 years. There is no utopia. Bigotry always has, and always will, exist throughout the world. It is not an American problem. There are blacks who hate whites and whites who hate blacks. There are members of every ethnic group in the world who hate others. There will always be a small number of bigots of every ethnic group to stir things up.

If you're gay, then call out to your gay bretheren to stop demanding special gay privileges and flaunting your lifestyle in public. Heterosexuals don't like it and no amount of whining will change that. Any minority group can gain acceptance, and tolerance, by just going about their day-to-day lives in decent fashion like most everyone else does.

That stunt that Jackson and Sharpton pulled in Jena did much more harm to racial relations there, which apparently wasn't bad until the black leaders made it so.

Whining begets contempt...

I have paid in full the sins of my race
I'm tired of being blamed for something my grandfather, father, and myself had absalutely no contol over.
I have been called dumba** white-boy, fool cracker as well derogatory comments directed at my mother, by small groups of young black and now hispanic males and females because I guess it is the cool thing to do to express ones ethnicity.
Well you want to know what, the Jenna Six can go to hell, the gutless politicians can go to hell, and most important Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson can take the express ticket to hell.
For those that hide behind their color no matter what the heck it is, and you make derogatory comments directed at me or my family, then you retreat back behind your ethnicity like a coward, you can go to hell to.
I have tried to do the right thing treat my fellow human beings with the diginity that I wish to be treated, but when some little black punk in Jacksonville North Carolina calls my mother something all bets are off.

Conservativeman
Sounds like you are upset! Chill out! I have an idea... in case somebody tries to play "the dozens" with you. BTW that means talking about your mother. Read the book, "Snaps" it has some good comebacks in case someone talks about your mother. They will back off. because you will be a pro!
Seriously, your are correct in your point. It is wrong to hold someone accountable for something they did not do. We need to improve on that. Anger is very powerful. It can destroy families and relationships. The elites like for us to be angry at each other. That is their way of controlling the lemmings.

I think Matthew is onto something
I think we should pay reparations for the over 300 years of slavery in the New World, but only after the following conditions are met:

1) Blacks must arrive at a fair numberation per black American of what we owe,includig how it was calculated, and how it will be distributed. For example, if your geneology determines that you are only 15/16ths black, you receive only 15/16ths of and all agree to it. Barrrack Obama would not be eligible as his geneology cannot be traced back to slavery, etc. If you are a black decendent of a slave on your mother's side, but a recent Kenyan immigrant, then you get 50%, etc.

2) That number be reduced by the following:
a) America only owes by 84/300ths (that proportion of the "over 300 years of slavery" that four-score and four years that the United states had a ratified Constitution

b) The total renumeration is reduced by the inflation adjusted cost of the Union Army's direct and indirect military costs

c) Inflation adjuested death benefits to the direct decendents of white and black Union soldiers who gave the ultimate sacrifice to end slavery

d) Any and all monies distributed to blacks, or decendents of blacks in the name of affirmative action and the Great Society.

3)Each and every black who choses such a settlement must sign a renouncement of citizenship and be immediated deported to the African nation of their choice. (Hey we are all about choice)

4)Any black baby born after that date is out of luck as it will be illegal to acknowlege black as a protected class or be eligible for any affirmative action benefits.

It will be cheaper in the long run.



I think Matthew is onto something
I think we should pay reparations for the over 300 years of slavery in the New World, but only after the following conditions are met:

1) Blacks must arrive at a fair numberation per black American of what we owe,includig how it was calculated, and how it will be distributed. For example, if your geneology determines that you are only 15/16ths black, you receive only 15/16ths of and all agree to it. Barrrack Obama would not be eligible as his geneology cannot be traced back to slavery, etc. If you are a black decendent of a slave on your mother's side, but a recent Kenyan immigrant, then you get 50%, etc.

2) That number be reduced by the following:
a) America only owes by 84/300ths (that proportion of the "over 300 years of slavery" that four-score and four years that the United states had a ratified Constitution

b) The total renumeration is reduced by the inflation adjusted cost of the Union Army's direct and indirect military costs

c) Inflation adjuested death benefits to the direct decendents of white and black Union soldiers who gave the ultimate sacrifice to end slavery

d) Any and all monies distributed to blacks, or decendents of blacks in the name of affirmative action and the Great Society.

3)Each and every black who choses such a settlement must sign a renouncement of citizenship and be immediated deported to the African nation of their choice. (Hey we are all about choice)

4)Any black baby born after that date is out of luck as it will be illegal to acknowlege black as a protected class or be eligible for any affirmative action benefits.

It will be cheaper in the long run.

d)

I think Matthew is onto something
I think we should pay reparations for the over 300 years of slavery in the New World, but only after the following conditions are met:

1) Blacks must arrive at a fair numberation per black American of what we owe,includig how it was calculated, and how it will be distributed. For example, if your geneology determines that you are only 15/16ths black, you receive only 15/16ths of and all agree to it. Barrrack Obama would not be eligible as his geneology cannot be traced back to slavery, etc. If you are a black decendent of a slave on your mother's side, but a recent Kenyan immigrant, then you get 50%, etc.

2) That number be reduced by the following:
a) America only owes by 84/300ths (that proportion of the "over 300 years of slavery" that four-score and four years that the United states had a ratified Constitution

b) The total renumeration is reduced by the inflation adjusted cost of the Union Army's direct and indirect military costs

c) Inflation adjuested death benefits to the direct decendents of white and black Union soldiers who gave the ultimate sacrifice to end slavery

d) Any and all monies distributed to blacks, or decendents of blacks in the name of affirmative action and the Great Society.

3)Each and every black who choses such a settlement must sign a renouncement of citizenship and be immediated deported to the African nation of their choice. (Hey we are all about choice)

4)Any black baby born after that date is out of luck as it will be illegal to acknowlege black as a protected class or be eligible for any affirmative action benefits.

It will be cheaper in the long run.



Thankyou John
Thanks John, I'm originally from Oregon and I guess I wasn't exposed to this crap. My father raised me, to treat others like I wanted to be treated.
I have been married to a woman who is not of my color for twenty-five years and there are times that we have gotten into battle royals and never once did we ever undignified ourselves by bringing our skin color into the argument.
I guess its more frustration than anything, I try and try and it’s like the goal post keeps being moved.

It must be satire from Mat
I can't believe anyone in his right mind would parrot this reparations nonsense. Lets punish the people of the US for the sins of some of their great-grandfathers.

Will these reparations be collected by race, creed or national origin? Will the Irish who's ancestors migrated here in the 1870s also be forced to pay? Will mixed race folks be forced to pay half, or collect half? Will African Americans who migrated here in the 1980s get reparations too? What about the indentured servents, do they count?

This idea is NOT about any kind of racial healing, but about pouring fuel on the fire.

Are there folks in the US who are really that stupid?

One more adjustment to reparations
Once a black agrees to accept the payment, and before he is deported, the IRS withholds the approriote amount of taxes.

Blacks who choose not to accept such payment will not be exempted from any and all increases in the income tax that will be needed to fund the distribution.

Ah, Matthew....
Our forefathers believed that all men are created equal. What they meant is that men are created equal in the eyes of God. Now that is a concept with which I expect you will disagree since you obviously believe there is no God.

If we accept that all men are created equal in the eyes of God, we have only to read your pathetic whining to note that some choose instead to be victims, uneducated, depraved, and in your case, a sodomite. Make that a depraved victim sodomite.

I am surprised that you leave out the accusation--usually comes right after after bigot and racist--that anyone who disapproves of your depravity must be a closet homosexual. Hmm, if that is so horrible an insult, how do you reconcile your aberrant sexual practices with your claim that it is an honorable lifestyle choice. Choice, huh? Case closed.

Here's an idea! Take your $600 rebate and start a voluntary reparations program. Let others who practice your filthy lifestyle join you with their rebates. Each of you can select a deserving Black person to receive your contribution. Bet it makes you feel better already.

Have a nice day!

Sorry for the multiple posting
My DSL line keeps dropping out and the delay never lets me know if the post went through. mea culpa

MATTHEW
I live in Oklahoma. Y'all come back how y'hear!

Conseravtiveman
I hope you and your love of your life are happy. Your race does not matter. Your love to each other is what counts. This racial issue is a HUGE distraction. It will take this country DOWN if we don't stop. We will not totally eliminated it, but as long as Al, Jessie, et al keep it going; it re-opens old wounds from BOTH sides.
My Grandparents' son was a victim of White Racism, which has torn my family up for YEARS. I refuse to take on that same anger. It is not worth it. I decided to make a difference starting with MY Kids.
Seriously, check out that book, "Snaps" It is a riot. Your detractors will be suprised.


agreed, hate is big biz for the left
I’m still confused about all this racism and reparation stuff. So, if my skin is white and I can prove one of my ancestors was among the first Angolan slaves, what are my options? Do I get a plasma TV or spinning gold hubcaps? And what about white indentured servants and Mulatto’s (Black, Indian, first generation European colonists) the second wave colonists had declared black so they could steal their prime land and later enslave, do they get reparations? Or, simply is it the darker your skin the more you get or the angrier you can act the more the government will buy your feeble bull***t blackmail off to keep you quiet. What a freaking racket you got going.

My earliest ancestors on my father’s side were an Angolan black man (slave) and a European white woman (an indentured) who both won their freedom and moved to the Carolinas. Their children later married into Indian families, other Euro’s, blacks and later a Romani Turk. My mother is of the Scott/Irish wave of the 1800’s and now I’m married to a wonderful woman from Hong Kong. My skin is white yet my history is oppressed and never privileged.

Reparations are a bulls**t excuse and I’ll go to war over another as*h**e attempting to rape me of another dime to give it to people who can’t make an honest living, instead, choosing to rip off honest people via corrupt politicians desiring to get a leg up through dividing and conquering the voting demographics. Don’t feed the beast and go to hell!

Flash--
you definitely got your point across!! 3 postings - sometimes these sites are slow in posting comments. I agree with you totally though - it would be cheaper!!

jnik should read it again
The examples of demonstrably false "racist" incidents are Tawana Brawley and the Duke rape case.

"But if history is about truth, not myth, that news coverage deserves another look, before the Jena Six enter the history books alongside Emmett Till and "the Scottsboro Boys." " means that Emmett Till and "the Scottsboro Boys" actually happened (and are are historically true). Mr. Buchanan does not want Jena added to this list for the reasons stated above: that the common portrayal is wrong.

Revisiting the Jena Six
I am an admirer or Pat Buchanan - I rarely agree with him - but I respect his honesty and candor. He directly challenged Chris Matthews on bringing race into the debate on the current election - good job Pat Buchanan. This printed account of the Jena 6 is quite interesting - but I fear that there is some rationalizing of horrific events. Al Sharpton is a disgusting opportunist - but again - the idea of Hate Crimes is real and should not be dismissed as just 'political correctness.'....
http://thefiresidepost.com/2007/11/09/hate-crimes-revisitin g-the-jena-6/

50 Years of Affirmative Action ...
Ain't that reperations.

Breaking the shackles of white guilt.
Just say "no" to guilt trips conjured up by both white and black race pimps.

No race is above reproach. Racism and racist behavior are not confined to any one group or race.

Deal with it.

People with agendas never want the whole truth to come out.

And so it is with the Jena 6.

They are not martyrs. They are, or were, adolescent thugs exploited by black race pimps, and whose families did benefit from this self-serving, artificially-induced brouhaha.

Yes, our nation did permit slavery for a time.

But our nation also abolished the practice, even as it still exists in parts of Africa and in parts of the muslim world.

I think I am going to demand reparations from the current Italian government for the treatment my ancestors experienced as slaves in the Roman empire.

Matthew
To me it's very simple. You are a liar.

Fletch
"No one is alive today for whom the case can be made that they are entitled to reparations on the basis of slavery. That's a fact"

No it's not a fact Fletch.

As a person who has a master understanding of economics, I would think you of all people would understand the economic argument in favor for reparations. African Americans have been in the United States since 1619. However, African Americans were legally negated from fully participating in the free market until 1964 when the Civil Rights Act was passed. African Americans were robbed of 345 years of possibly billions of dollars of accrued wealth as a result of this. The period that the United States built most of its wealth, is the same period it restricted blacks from earning a substantial amount of that very same wealth. When you restrict individuals from accruing wealth, you’re restricting them from an education, healthcare, home ownership, etc.


As I have said on other threads, successful participation in the free market requires the possession of accrued capital. Education isn’t free, healthcare isn’t free, and of course home ownership isn’t free. As an African American, I had to acquire a college education on government subsidized loans, primarily because my descendants couldn’t accrue the wealth to send me to college as a result of historical racism. Subsidizing those who have historically had an economic disadvantage is generally the thought process behind reparations, affirmative action, and other social programs as you know.

Blacks don't want reparations either
If blacks got that check, the racist card would be no longer held in their hand and the flow of money, affirmative action, and the free ride they have been enjoying would end.

That is why the Als' and Jesses' jump on and sensationalize every real and imagined racial incident. The need to "keep hope alive" that racism and white guilt for it never ends.

Our schools are filled with history books that teach about the inhumanity caused by Americans, but never about the Arab slave traders, the Dutch slave ships, or the black tribes who tendered the slaves to the Arabs.

Modern Germany has to face the fact that two generations ago, they participated in atrocities and began a great world war responsible for millions of deaths. America has never asked for reparations (it was reparations from Germany after WWI that made it possible for Hitler's rise to power.) Perhaps we should take a lesson from that.

Tonty T Sorry to break up the pity party
"As an African American, I had to acquire a college education on government subsidized loans, primarily because my descendants couldn’t accrue the wealth to send me to college as a result of historical racism."

Millions of white americans also acquire a college education on government subsidized loans. Race has nothing to do with it. It is because you were born into a poor family with no silver spoon in your mouth. I doubt Michael Jordan's children will ever need a government subsidized student loan, even if they were decendents from slaves. Not everyone can be rich, even if you are white. Maybe I should claim that the reason I had to get government loans is because black slaves hundreds of years ago didn't work hard enough for all of us white folk to be rich?


Correction:
Anthony Thomas' assertion "As an African American ...primarily because my descendants couldn’t accrue the wealth....." I think you meant because your ANCESTORS..." Maybe you should ask for a refund of your inferior college education because they let you pass your English courses because you were black?

Jena
Having read a lot of the comments on Pat Buchanan's article, I have confirmed my opinion that there are a lot of smart, conservative people out there who see clearly the difference between right and wrong.

How in the world did we nominate John McCain for President?

Les arbo
Daphne, AL

Race Does Matter
Ask any black here in the US, they never say race doesn't matter. The race card? I call it the race drum and it's always tap tap tapping in the background here. It will rise to a crescendo at a moments notice, the noise blocking out any truth and reasoning. Have you heard of Kirkwood MO? I thought not, it just happened. A black business man walked into a town hall meeting and shot to death six members of the town hall meeting and critically wounded the mayor, all white. He was "upset" about parking tickets he had gotten on his asphalt trucks for parking them in an illegal zone. His brother and other blacks are treating this black guy like a hero and are saying they understand why he did it. Do you hear anything in the media about this? While the Duke Farce was going on, five blacks raped and tortured and murdered a white couple in Knoxville TN. Where is the media on these and other atrocities being carried out by blacks against whites in this country? You don't have to go back into history hundreds of years to see what is going on right now here and it's not white discrimination that is going on it's black warfare at all levels against whites and white society that's going on.
It was first England and shortly thereafter the United States that outlaw slavery and then used their military and political means to end it all over the world, since blacks could not do that for themselves.
"Can't we all get along", that famous criminal Rodney King said. The answer is "No".

Racism against black will end...
All that racism needs to end is for blacks to let go of it.

As a child I was constantly teased and picken on in grade school with dumb pollack jokes because my last name ended in SKI. WHen I came home crying with a black eye, my dad didn't go out and beat up the dad's of the kids responsible. He didn't sue for reparations and harm to my self esteem.

He asked me what the problem was. I said I was hurt by all the pollack jokes. He said there are a lot of polish immigrants who are dumb, and the jokes are actually funny because there is some truth in them. Any comic knows that. Then he told me some pollack jokes himself, and said if you can laugh at the same jokes they will stop telling them.

Then he asked me if I ever saw a smart pollack? Then he told be to hit the books, and the next time you get accused, ask them to compare report cards, and see who really is the dumb one.

If blacks want to rid themselves of the stereotypyes that feed racism (lazy, drug dealers, protitutes, eat fried chicken and watermelon, unwed mothers and no fathers etc) then you cannot just settle for being the same as your accusers, you have to strive to be better than them.

You must either let whites use the "n" word and show nooses freely and let go of your anger over those expressions, or stop using the word yourself. Laughing with a white person telling a black joke is the best way to stop them from telling them.

flash
"I think you meant because your ANCESTORS..."

Yes I did. Thank you.

“Maybe you should ask for a refund of your inferior college education because they let you pass your English courses because you were black?”

Excuse me for making a grammar error while attempting to get my point across. I’m sure you’re perfect and have never made one in your many post on Townhall.

flash
“Millions of white americans also acquire a college education on government subsidized loans. Race has nothing to do with it. It is because you were born into a poor family with no silver spoon in your mouth”

I am aware of the above. However, there’s a disproportionate amount of poor blacks in America as a result of the historical inequity that I mentioned in my earlier post. Also, “americans” should be capitalized.

Jena 6/Institutional Racism/Hypocrisy
The comments made by those who supported Buchanan's observations were nothing less than brilliant. Fact, supported by both logic and satire, is a powerful tool to refute the cesspool of "victimology" and those who practice and profit from it. The Sharptons and Jacksons of this country are finally taking their political last breaths - "OUT, OUT DAMNED SPOTS"!

racism canards
I hate to break it to you racemongers, but when you compare *married* blacks with a highschool diploma or more, they fair almost *exactly* the same as whites in similar circumstances.

If you can't make something of yourself its utterly PATHETIC to blame it on something that happened over 200 years ago.


A human Hallmark card by J. Hawkins.
As a life long Republican, I appreciated the analysis of Obama by John Hawkins today, however if Obama or Hillary should become President, it will be the fault of the Republican party in 1998 that made this possible.

Other than Mr. Hawkins comments regarding liberal views concerning Obama, the argument of inexperience that we ignored when the Republican party decided to push George H.W. Bush's son, W into office. I believe history and the Country would have been far better served with several other candidates, including but limited to Alan Keys. I will not vote for McCain, cannot vote for the Dem's and am angered to say, I will most likely sit this one out...

JOHN SHAFT

.....I can tell by the content of your posts that we are on the same wave length ...welcome to the club .....COLOSSUS

Look at what the race pimps
have to to put up as victims nowadays.I'd recommend reading Heather Mac Donalds editorial on the Jena 6.

Anthony Thomas Are you sure?
"However, there’s a disproportionate amount of
poor blacks in America as a result of the historical inequity"

65% of black babies are born to unwed mothers in this country. This is disproprotionate to American as a whole. (I remembered to capitalize American this time ;-)) Those children will be disadvantaged and poor regardless of their race. Just exactly how does the historical inequity of the past justify the current social irresponsibility of black men making babies they cannot and will not support, or black women who will prefer 5 minutes of pleasure over 18-20 years of unilateral responsiblity? It is time to clean up clean up your own house. Stop criticism of Bill Cosby and start following his advice. How can you expect the non-black world to repect your race when you do not respect it yourself?

I, frankly, am tired of hearing about "the rich tradition of strong black families" when I see no current evidence that it exists. Perhaps chants of "Black Power" need to be replaced with "Black Pride" first.

DavidM: Its the hypen that counts
"If you can't make something of yourself its utterly PATHETIC to blame it on something that happened over 200 years ago."

A agree. On a tombstone, it gives two years separated by a hyphen. It is what YOU DO during that hyphen between your birth and death, that matters. Not what your mother and father did, or their ancenstors.

It is not a joke that one definition of mass confusion is Father's day in the ghetto. It is a disturbing fact. Saying you are screwing every 'ho because your great great great grandpappy was a slave and making white taxpayers foot the bill is no way to end racism. It only encourages it.

Q: When was it proven scam
A: The moment Al Sharpton showed up to weigh-in!

Yes it is
"No it's not a fact Fletch."

Actually, yes it is (not even in the legal arena of which I was speaking, but in the economic one as well.

As a person with an extensive knowledge of economic history, I can say without fear of being wrong that the economic conditions of blacks in this country grew at a far greater pace than for whites for the century following the Civil War. The economic gap continued to shrink in every single decade through the 1950s. This is actually inevitable in a free market system because the myths of racial economic inferiority cannot survive in a competitive market. It is a self-reinforcing cyclce. The guy who hires blacks at a lower wage rate because others foolishly believe that something about skin color renders them inferior workers gains a competitive advantage over others in his industry - making his workers more valuable and rtaising their value in the marketplace until the differential must inevitably end.

That dynamic was destroyed in the 1960s with the [not so] Great Society. The break was, in fact, so great that essentially ALL of any remaining disparity can be attributed directly to the (warped) market incentives created at that time. It can even be reasonably argued that, prior to the passage of the Great Society, the trends were such that any disparity might well have been eliminated by the marketplace by now.

The chain of logic necessary to attribute current disparities to the institution of slavery simply cannot overcome the impact of this intervention. Thus, again, no one is alive today for whom the case can be made that they are entitled to reparations on the basis of slavery. That's a fact.

Anthony
While I agree with some of the points of Flash, I do appreciate your correction of his grammar as he did of yours.

Regarding a history of family money. Most families cycle through their money in 3-4 generations (obviously there are exceptions and have building named after them). My mother came from one pair of shoe roots and my father came from Irish immigrants who were lower middle class. So, the financial state of a family 150+ years ago has little to do with where they are now (by and large).

Hmm
All right, I'm going to be generous here and operate on the assumption that the nooses were hung in the tree specifically to offend black students. We'll never know if that's true, but let's assume here that it is.

So...because some white people hung some nooses up (JUST nooses, there weren't, you know, PEOPLE in them), this excuses everything the Jena Six did afterward? They beat people up, stole private property, etc., but it's perfectly okay because someone hung up some nooses?

Apparently the liberals race-baiters don't expect blacks to have any sort of self-control. Kind of like they see blacks as...animals.

Other scams? How about Katrina?
I think the biggest scam perpetrated by the media in this new millenium (well, second to global warming) would be the over-coverage of Katrina. The media is force-tattooing Katrina into our history books, yet here we are STILL fresh enough to refute it and all its implications. They tie it to Global Warming and use it as proof positive of the disaster of the Bush administration--and it's already in public schoolbooks as such. I guess it's a double-whammy for liberals, covering both race and environmentalism, while blaming both on republicans. No wonder they push it so hard.

my kids
would never know that a noose is considered a threat to Black Americans. You can't judge the actions of young people with your world view. Swastikas, yellow stars, nooses, if taken out of context and placed in a popular new movie lose their historical significance.

Another problem is that the younger generation hasn't been taught historical facts, they've been taught history selectively. If we're going to pass our hatred onto the next generation, we should at least teach them historical facts so they will know when they're offending someone.

flash
“Just exactly how does the historical inequity of the past justify the current social irresponsibility of black men making babies they cannot and will not support, or black women who will prefer 5 minutes of pleasure over 18-20 years of unilateral responsiblity?”

It doesn’t. The individual failures of the black community rest clearly with the black community. I make no excuses for the immoral behavior that you mention. Having been raised in a black impoverished environment, I know first hand some of the horrors that you reference. However, the poverty in the black community is a result of not one but a variety of things, lack of individual responsibility is one reason, historic economic inequity is another.

What EVERYBODY seems to forget......

The war for southern independence was started by the then president of the U.S.A, Abraham Lincoln, who stated historically, I will not fight you over slavery, that has been decided in the congress, but I will over taxes. (a 47% import export tax was imposed primarily against the south because the south lived or died on these two items and the yankees wanted to do all the business and not let the southerners do business directly with their foreign buyers and sellers, no, that would deny the yanks a great profit and cost the south dearly)

This is why the war was fought, It was not over slavery until at the bitter end when Lincoln saw a victory and declared slavery "over" or abolished.

Since Grant was the first and only northern general to have the b&lls to whip up and burn out the south, Lincoln was able to cover his huge mistake of destroying half the U.S. and killing 2,000,000 Americans.

Keep the facts in mind folks. Don't rewrite history.


Anthony
Good on you for educating yourself from meager beginnings. But, I still assert that family fortunes are won and lost in a matter of a few generations and 7 generations from the civil war is enough to have balanced the field, for that matter 2-3 generations from the 60's is enough for most average income families.

ANTHONY THOMAS

.....Yo' momma is so fat then when she goes to the border she carries dollars in her right pocket and pesos in her left .....COLOSSUS

Anthony Thomas

I commend you for your honesty and insight. There are many reasons for lack of significant progress in the black half of the community, and you have enumerated one of the most serious and difficult to control. No government program of any kind could change what black Americans only can change, short of a dictatorship here in the USA. And we are certainly headed in that direction if things continue as they are.

Thank you Anthony, we're all in this together, and we ALL need to pull together as best each one of us can.

F1etch is correct...
Walter WIlliams has done numerous articles and has a book about the very subject. Black entreprenuerialship (sp?) grew faster (% population-wise) than white from post CW up to "The Great Society." Black families and communities were stronger until they were told they were victims and not equal to white people by white elitists, that they NEEDED the gubmint to make it right and they bought it hook, line and sinker and cheese.

I still fail to see why the black majority still votes for the Dems, when the Dems are the party that is responsible for the continued suppresion of the black community.

fletch
“I can say without fear of being wrong that the economic conditions of blacks in this country grew at a far greater pace than for whites for the century following the Civil War. The economic gap continued to shrink in every single decade through the 1950s”

Would there have even been a gap to close had blacks been granted access to the market? You’re essentially saying that because blacks achieved IN SPITE of racism, that blacks aren’t entitled to any financial restitution because of their own success during this period. This is very problematic.

“This is actually inevitable in a free market system because the myths of racial economic inferiority cannot survive in a competitive market. It is a self-reinforcing cyclce”

The “myths of racial economic inferiority” survived and thrived for years no matter how inefficient you or anyone else believed they were, and the ”myth” affected blacks in an economically negative manor. Your point is irrelevant because it doesn’t negate the fact that African Americans were still robbed of billions of dollars and accrued wealth due to the “racial economic myth”. The fact that African Americans were able to achieve financially in a hostile racial environment is a testament to African American perseverance and creativity, not the free market or lack of government intervention. What is the government preventing blacks from doing in 2008 that it allowed in say,1935? I don’t buy into this delusion that our present day government is preventing blacks from achieving economic success as a result of providing low cost student loans, Welfare, Affirmative Action or any other social program that may disproportionately benefit minorities.

onceamarine
“Thank you Anthony, we're all in this together, and we ALL need to pull together as best each one of us can”

You are absolutely correct sir, and I appreciate your kind comments.Thank YOU for your service to our country.

Restraint?
Good Christian woman RIOT at Walmart during Christmas....trying to get the last Elmo doll.

Football fans in Pittsburgh (where I grew up) used to run out and trash the town when we lost, fighting, causing car accidents, etc.

Our country goes to WAR against a sovereign nation...causing the death of Americans and Iraqis and

NOW you want restraint from teenagers? Try setting the example. They learn by watching you...

Your road rage, your anger, your hate, your contempt for others....(the main blogger here has an email "kill all libs" or something like that...)

The nooses caused a reaction. Violence is NEVER the answer, but since this is how our country behaves (torture..OK!..Janet's nipple..OH MY GOD! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!)

You adults better get out of the way. The kids today are sick of your bigotry. They are voting for change and they are going to make it.

Adios amigos.

Nooses Bad then Cotton too
So if nooses are so offensive, I would then assume that cotton fields should be done away with and cotton products. I get offended too and don't crack people on the head gang land style. The noose arguement was a farce.

The Denny's in Annapolis (where the secret service guys weren't served) was settled out of court. The rest of the story is that 6 agents all bleck, went into the Denny's and were refused service...Because they were abusive to the ALL BLACK STAFF, calling them hos, bitches, etc... There was one white working...THE COOK!!!

Matthews BS is tired as is all the other race baiting for dollars.

Reparations
Is this how it works. I'm not working anymore. I'm going to go home, sit on my butt and whine until those blood thirsty limys send me my reparations check for starving my ancestors until they fled their country for America. Oh yeah, and the American railroad companies owe me a bunch of money because of all those Irish who were exploited by them while building the railroad. None of my ancestors worked for the railroads but I am a descendent of Irishmen thus I am entitle to those reparations also.

I also expect reparations from Italy because it was the Romans who drove the Celts off of continental Europe and forced my acestors to live in God forsaken places like Ireland, Scotland and Whales and eventually had to put up with the English.

Have to go now. I need to research my German and French history to see if anyone else owes me money for the way those ancestors were treated.

TED is PROUD
That police in Oklahoma racially profile. That they intimidate, break the law, and harass GOOD AMERICANS. One who was born here, one who votes, pay his taxes, and had never even gotten a speeding ticket. The other one, who spent years LEGALLY becoming a citizen, works hard, pays his taxes, and now votes. He is a wonderful example of the American Dream.

You are actually PROUD of your police doing this?
You embrace this bigotry.....

AMAZING!

We could have flown across the country. I wanted to show my boyfriend how beautiful the country is, including the kind people you meet along the way.

How embarrassing it was for me. How naive of me.

I'm not lumping an entire state into the actions of a few loser cops. Not fair to the wonderful people of Oklahoma....

But it seems there are more of you with the mindset of those police than I suspected.

Again...you can deny all you want.

My day in court will arrive.

RIchard
Are you sure you want to be a stand-up comic?


basball doc/Matthew
Baseballdoc:I see you have read the same book, that I love.."Snaps".
Matthew,
You need to relax. When I see a noose, I don't get upset. I have learned to relax. By getting upset, it allows Mr. Charley(The Man) to take control. You know who Mr. Charley is..right? I think Baseballdoc knows who Mr. Charley is.
Those Jena 6 kids might have had a point to be upset about the noose, but you have to pay the price for your decisons, good and bad. I hope they are learning that lesson.
I don't hate white people, nor do I believe that All conservatives hate blacks. Just re-read the U.S. docs that tells our LEGAL citizens where are rights orignate. Keep your head up champ.

Great post
Thanks for setting the record straight. Unfortunately the truth is sometimes an ineffective weapon in the war against liberal propaganda. Some people will always believe what they want to believe – regardless of the facts.

Mr. Thomas: Sequoia Tree Chip...
Mr. Thomas is an individual who almost exclusively comments on matters of race. Despite Mr. Thomas’ overtly responsible assertions on this thread and grudging acknowledgement of contribution of stupid behavior (i.e., 70% illegitimacy rate, 50% school drop out rate, 25% prison incarceration, pro-violence subculture, etc.) to the current state of the hyphenated-American sub-culture, he nevertheless “wears” his self-serving form of Marxist “group-identity” politics as a badge of honor. Why? Because he apparently suffers the delusion that the “hue” of his skin grants him esoteric insight into the nature of reality in general, and the human condition in particular. Said esoteric insight apparently grants him automatic “gravitas”, i.e., discussing the merits of middle/ upper-middle class black privilege in perpetuity: e.g., affirmative action, quotas, etc. or in this case the “Jena” controversy. If you don’t agree with him you either stupid or a bigot because he is a member of a government-sanctioned “victim group” & therefore his viewpoints are beyond reproach.

It must be difficult for Mr. Thomas to maneuver in day to day life w/ a chip on his shoulder the size of a Sequoia tree.

Mr. Thomas: Sequoia Tree Chip
Mr. Thomas is an individual who almost exclusively comments on matters of race. Despite Mr. Thomas’ overtly responsible assertions on this thread and grudging acknowledgement of contribution of stupid behavior (i.e., 70% illegitimacy rate, 50% school drop out rate, 25% prison incarceration, pro-violence subculture, etc.) to the current state of the hyphenated-American sub-culture, he nevertheless “wears” his self-serving form of Marxist “group-identity” politics and its associated institutionalized system of racial privileges in perpetuity as a badge of honor. Why? Because he apparently suffers the delusion that the “hue” of his skin grants him esoteric insight into the nature of reality in general, and the human condition in particular. Said esoteric insight apparently grants him automatic “gravitas”, i.e., discussing the merits of middle/ upper-middle class black privilege in perpetuity: e.g., affirmative action, quotas, etc. or in this case the “Jena” controversy. If you don’t agree with him you either stupid or a bigot because he is a member of a government-sanctioned “victim group” & therefore his viewpoints are beyond reproach.

It must be difficult for Mr. Thomas to maneuver in day to day life w/ a chip on his shoulder the size of a Sequoia tree.

Correction
Where our rights originate. Sorry.

Mr. Thomas: Sequoia Tree Chip...
Mr. Thomas is an individual who almost exclusively comments on matters of race. Despite Mr. Thomas’ overtly responsible assertions on this thread and grudging acknowledgement of contribution of stupid behavior (i.e., 70% illegitimacy rate, 50% school drop out rate, 25% prison incarceration, pro-violence subculture, etc.) to the current state of the hyphenated-American sub-culture, he nevertheless “wears” his self-serving form of Marxist “group-identity” politics and its associated institutionalized system of racial privileges in perpetuity as a badge of honor. Why? Because he apparently suffers the delusion that the “hue” of his skin grants him esoteric insight into the nature of reality in general, and the human condition in particular. Said esoteric insight apparently grants him automatic “gravitas”, i.e., discussing the merits of middle/ upper-middle class black privilege in perpetuity: e.g., affirmative action, quotas, etc. or in this case the “Jena” controversy. If you don’t agree with him you either stupid or a bigot because he is a member of a government-sanctioned “victim group” & therefore his viewpoints are beyond reproach.

It must be difficult for Mr. Thomas to maneuver in day to day life w/ a chip on his shoulder the size of a Sequoia tree.

libs
so its true, you can be white, male, gay,.....and a bigot

Incorrect
The nooses were a separate incident, and by all accounts had nothing to do with race. Mychal Bell and the other attackers didn't attack Justin Barker because of the noose, it stemmed from separate incidences involving violence between other people. Sharpton et al have made this a race-issue (no surprise there) whereas it is actually just a bunch of miscreant high school students (no race assigned to the label "miscreant").

Gee I wonder
"African Americans were robbed of 345 years of possibly billions of dollars of accrued wealth as a result of this."

And just how many billions would they have made had they or their forebears not been brought over from Africa? Just how prosperous and wealthy would they be?

(looks east towards the Dark Continent as crickets chirp in the background.)

Big Brother Lives
" They were not prosecuted for a hate crime because none of those who investigated the incident believed they committed a hate crime."

There should be no such thing as "hate crime". This is a euphemism for "thought crime".

If members of different races are allowed to express love for one another, then they should equally be allowed to express hatred for one another. There will never be "love crime" legislation, will there?

And that's exactly what "hate crime" legislation is all about; telling citizens not what they can say, but what they can think. Assault and battery are illegal; the law shouldn't care why you did it, you're not allowed to do it.

"I beat the heck out of him because he got a higher math score than I did."

"I beat the heck out of him because he has lighter skin than me."

What do these two assertions have in common? Some poor kid got the heck beat out of himself. Does it matter why? Only if you want to control how people feel and what people think.

Matthew
Just spit it out dude. Maybe thats why you had a problem you still had it in your mouth.

You need to move to Berkley or San Fran and you will be with your own.

Next you will be mad at Congress for not letting Gays get Married. So should gays get money also

Remember to stop by Minniapolis and meet SEN Craig he can show you how to toe step around these things in a toilet stall

jdw
Are you saying that NO Africans would have voyaged to America and came through Ellis Island?

And when they did travel here...hundreds of years ago...by their OWN CHOICE..FREE and with all the opportunities your ancestors had...

Obama wouldn't be making history this November.

A black president would have already happened....

Quit rationalizing injustice. Stand up and fight against it.

Matthew
Having lived in Oklahoma for decades, I have difficulty believing your story. Not that I don't believe such an incident could occur here in Oklahoma, but I don't think you're giving us all the facts surrounding the incident.

Did you run the toll booth? Were you speeding? Were you performing oral sex on your boyfriend as he tried to pay the toll?

Not only do we have a large Hispanic population here, we also have several tribes in the state ("native Americans" tend to look Hispanic, go figure). It's *very* unlikely that someone would be harassed simply because he had Hispanic features. Especially on the Will Rogers Turnpike, since it goes through tribal territory.

jdw
Maybe he was pulled over for wearing a "Hook em" Horns tee shirt.

Chuck
Gay black AMERICANS who can trace their roots to slave owners should.

The rest of your post...well heard that in the 4th grade. Grow up.

Nope
"Are you saying that NO Africans would have voyaged to America and came through Ellis Island?"

and many Africans evidently did... Obama's daddy comes to mind. But my statement was directed at the idea that Africans brought here or born into slavery are owed reparations because they would have made billions of dollars.

1) There's no evidence that there would have been a mass migration of African natives to the U.S. had slavery not existed.

2) The culture and society that made the making of billions of dollars possible was created by white, European males and their culture. There were people here before those awful Europeans came to America, and they didn't create the U.S. or anything like it. There were societies in Africa before there were even colonies in America, and they didn't create an African equivalent to the U.S. The descendants of Spanish barbarians and natives created perpetually failing societies like Mexico.

So I object to any suggestion that the U.S. was inevitable or always existed without giving credit to the Anglo-Saxon culture that *did* create the U.S. society. Those billions of dollars were not guaranteed simply because Africans came here.

Demosthenes
“he nevertheless “wears” his self-serving form of Marxist “group-identity” politics as a badge of honor. Why? Because he apparently suffers the delusion that the “hue” of his skin grants him esoteric insight into the nature of reality in general, and the human condition in particular”

I simply stated facts. Can you tell me what I have said that isn’t true or based on facts instead of just calling me a “Marxist”.

“Mr. Thomas is an individual who almost exclusively comments on matters of race.”

That is just simply not true. Most of the threads I post on have NOTHING to do with race.

Obama
if Obama wins the presidency will the poverty/race pimps go out of business? Just a question

- once equal opportunity has reached a certain visiblity shouldn't these weirdos go away? You would think once that line of cash flow drys up they would. Probably morph into global warming whiners...

jdw
I suppose if I did something GUILTY...

I would have received a ticket? CORRECT?

I was let go with a warning....(ie..stay out of Oklahoma)

I know I know...Oklahoma police ETHICAL, HONEST!
Gay guy with his boyfriend..GUILTY! MUST HAVE DONE SOMETHING!

I was never told why I was pulled over, never read my rights, cuffed, and had my car RIPPED APART. My insurance company payed to get it fixed under vandalism...love you Allstate.

I never gave permission for my car to be searched. They let me go (after an hour)

My boyfriend was taken aside. He was asked if he was here illegally. (even after he provided id)
The one cop drew his gun and asked my boyfriend why he was going to PA to visit my parents. (who I called immediately after)

I remember my mother's words before we left Los Angeles. "be careful...people are very emotional out there these days...and you won't be in California)

Boy was she right.

They broke the law. I'm sure I wasn't the first..and I won't be the last.

They will be stopped.

jdw
“ And just how many billions would they have made had they or their forebears not been brought over from Africa? Just how prosperous and wealthy would they be? “

Potentially very wealthy and prosperous!The imperialism, colonialism and the enslavement of Africans between the 15th and 20th century completely changed the cultural dynamic of the continent. Despite your preconceived notion of African inferiority, the continent Africa could have grown and prospered had these events not occurred.


'mathew' claims s/he's an "American" ...
... but obviously has no clue that being AN AMERICAN is not an accident of birth. It's a state of mind. That, of course, requires that one actually has a mind.

And it's hard to imagine that a sexually deranged admitted sodomist, so self-deluded s/he can look in a mirror and see a woman, is so equipped.

'mathew' claims s/he's an "American" ...
... but obviously has no clue that being AN AMERICAN is not an accident of birth. It's a state of mind. That, of course, requires that one actually has a mind.

And it's hard to imagine that a sexually deranged admitted sodomist, so self-deluded s/he can look in a mirror and see a woman, is so equipped.

MATTHEW

.....Yo' momma is so fat that when she travels to Europe she goes cargo .....COLOSSUS

'mathew' claims s/he's an "American" ...
... but obviously has no clue that being AN AMERICAN is not an accident of birth. It's a state of mind. That, of course, requires that one actually has a mind.

And it's hard to imagine that a sexually deranged admitted sodomist, so self-deluded s/he can look in a mirror and see a woman, is so equipped.

But could the Anglo-saxon
Culture have made these billions without slavery?

I know my business would reap a pretty profit if I never had to pay my labor.


black and white brian
Your post was stupid enough once...

But three times.


Matthew or whatever your name really is
I'm not a comedian. I am someone who likes to make his point with some humor. But it does not take a comedian to recognize that you are a joke. You live an empty existence of chasing passions without thinking of the consequences. When the consequences do come then you blame someone else for it. You live your live looking for other people to make excuses for you and blindly accepting their rationalizations. If you are a victim then maybe you are the vicitm of the people who help you to find excuses for yourself.

But really you know in your heart of hearts that you are your own victim. You know that the truth is that you are trying to hide behind a bunch of lies. You think that if you can go around getting everyone to believe the lies that they will eventually become the truth. But the truth is that you do not want to accept that you owe your existence to a higher being who will one day hold you responsible for your life. So go, run and hide all you want. Tell all the lies you can but it won't stop that moment from coming when you are ultimately held accountable.

I don't like RAP
But I've read some of the lyrics. The corrupt police, the racism, the bigotry...

I never thought twice about it.

Until you are in that situation.

Men with guns who obviously hate you.

If they wanted me to be scared it worked.

Then when the fear settles...you become angry.

I can't imagine that happening over and over again like many minorities endure.

I can't believe you defend these actions. I pray it never happens to one of your children...




Hate Speech
Burning the US flag is a Constitutionally protected act of "free speech". Hanging a noose is considered "hate speech" and is a crime. What is the difference?

Is burning a country's flag not hateful by nature? Is it not intended to demonstrate the protester's contempt for that nation?

Furthermore, not all noose-hangings are whites demonstrating hatred toward blacks. In the Jena incident, given that the nooses were painted with the opposing school's colors, it may really NOT have been about race. A noose is not only a symbol of racial intolerance, and the boys who hung the nooses were young enough that they may have really not thought about the full historical significance and symbolic meaning of their actions. Did you never say the wrong thing out of ignorance when you were a teenager?

And, in the spate of noose-hangings that followed the Jena story, were ANY of them linked to whites? The cases that have been solved had black perpetrators.

In the end though, you cannot have one form of vile, hateful symbolism be protected speech, and another be a federal offense.

jdw
“The culture and society that made the making of billions of dollars possible was created by white, European males and their culture.”

They were able to do this by exploiting land from Native Americans and exploiting labor from African Americans. These occurrences are the foundation of American wealth.


“There were people here before those awful Europeans came to America, and they didn't create the U.S. or anything like it”

Yes, like Africans, Native Americans were fine and happy with the culture they had, and to them, it had WORTH, and they did not want it to be destroyed by European merchants and colonist. People of color generally don’t equate having a different culture to having an inferior or superior culture, this is European thought. Pre-colonial African societies had limitless amounts of art, religion, and invaluable culture; all the gold in Fort Knox could not buy back what was lost to Africa between the 15th and 20th Century as a result of the rape of the land.

Matthew's Page
Dear Matthew,

I am sorry the police were mean to you. I am sorry if your sexual orientation or your partner's race played any role in that mistreatment.

But this is Pat Buchanan's comment page, not Matthew's Page. None of your remarks in any way refute the main point of Buchanan's article, which is that the MSM misled the American people about the facts of the Jena case, further heightening racial tensions, and giving a platform to the hateful Al Sharpton and his ilk.

I know that racism exists, I have seen it too, and like you I step in to straighten the slack-jawed yokel out (even at the cost my job once). But when the media makes up stories about racism it makes harder to deal with the real racism that's out there.

Anthony Thomas - 1
"Would there have even been a gap to close had blacks been granted access to the market?"

No, but then it is neither practical, possible nor moral to attempt to correct past injustices by imposing costs on individuals who did not create those past injustices. The history of the world is one of injustice after injustice. My ancestors include Slavs (a designation linked to the word "slavery"), a Chincoteague Indian, an Irishman that lived in this country at a time when the Irish were discriminated against, etc. It is any attempt to impose a cost of restitution upon the people of today for ANY historical injustice that is inherently problematic and unjust.

Further, I am NOT saying that those gains occurred in spite of racism (a societal attitude not subject to recompense either). I am saying that it was allowing those gains to occur in the first place that is the only thing that has helped REDUCE racism. The interaction in the marketplace in the absence of governmental interference is what made the attitudinal changes possible (and thsi process was seriously undermined by the Great Society).

"The 'myths of racial economic inferiority' survived and thrived for years..."

Survived? Absolutely. Thrived? No. That is precisely the point. Societal attitudes change only very slowly but they do so through common experience. The marketplace allows (even encourages) this. Governmental intervention UNDERMINES it.

Nor, for that matter is it accurate to say that anyone alive today has been "stolen" from as a result of slavery. That position is based on a concept of generational theft (the crime survives through inheritance) that has standing in neither law or justice.

Anthony Thomas - 2
"I don’t buy into this delusion that our present day government is preventing blacks from achieving economic success as a result of providing low cost student loans, Welfare, Affirmative Action or any other social program that may disproportionately benefit minorities."

Your choice not to "buy into" it is your choice. The data indicating the impact of such programs on wealth creation, the family structure, drop out rates, etc. yield no other possible conclusion.

matthew
You're a whining little punk. You think you're the first person to get harassed by the cops?

Now imagine that you've been harassed by the cops, but you don't fall into a "designated victim" category.

Whatever shall I do? Oh yeah, go on about my d***ed business like a man.

Can someone please show me...
one symbol that, if displayed, would justify a black kid getting waylaid and beat up by overwhelming numbers the way Justin was?

What's that? You say there can be no justification for such an act?

Well, that settles that, doesn't it?

The other problem
...is with the assertion that it is no accident that the period of the greatest growth in wealth in this country was when blacks were denied access to the economy. Actually, it can ONLY be argued that such wealth creation occurred IN SPITE of such denials.

Slavery was an economic disaster for this country. As early as Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations" it has been understood that the institution of slavery DESTROYS economic wealth. But it isn't just the institution of slavery. As we have been arguing about liberal interventions all along, ANY AND ALL actions which reduce the economic efficiency of the marketplace including th denial of access to any given set of individuals (whether complete or partial makes no difference) diminishes EVERYONE economically.

There simply are NO societal wealth gains from such economically detrimental policies to be considered for redistribution.

This is not a Pat Buchan article
It is a Craig Franklin article published in the Christian Science Monitor.

Craig is simply defending his town through the local newspaper where he is assistant editor.
His wife is a teacher.

Great duo for some PR work.

Perhaps they are the ones with an agenda?

OH NO...No racism here! Nooses...perfect explanation! Rodeo intimidation!

Please. I'm not buying it.

I'm white, and I hear what is said when there are no black people around. Especially growing up in Pittsburgh.

I heard it at church, I heard it at school, I heard it by neighbors....hell even my own Grandfather!

I here things said about Hispanics, women, gays...

It's amazing how bigots think everyone who looks like them share their twisted belief system.

Pay the reparations...

Give minorities the money to educate...to succeed...the same as all the trust fund white kids do.

End affirmative action.

Time to move on.

Every time there is a race discussion
I find the need to quote Ayn Rand:

"...the smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities."

"It is not a man's ancestors or relatives or genes or body chemistry that count in a free market, but only one human attribute: productive ability. It is by his own individual ability and ambition that capitalism judges a man and rewards him accordingly."

"No political system can establish universal rationality by law (or by force). But capitalism is the only system that functions in a way which rewards rationality and penalizes all forms of irrationality, including racism."

"Today, it is not an oppressor, but an oppressed minority that is demanding the establishment of racial quotas. It does not merely demand special privileges on racial grounds -- it demands that white men be penalized for the sins of their ancestors. It demands that a white laborer be refused a job because his grandfather may have practiced racial discrimination. But perhaps his grandfather had not practiced it. Or perhaps his grandfather had not even lived in this country. Since these questions are not to be considered, it means that that white laborer is to be charged with collective racial guilt, the guilt consisting merely of the color of his skin. But that is the principle of the worst Southern racist who charges all Negroes with collective racial guilt for any crime committed by an individual Negro, and who treats them all as inferiors on the ground that their ancestors were savages."


Jesse
My friend was pulled over in Arizona during the holiday by a random check stop. She is black...
They asked to search her car...

Let go with a warning?

She was given some story that she changed lanes without signaling? She told me she didn't.
I believe her.

No wonder they can't seal the borders...

Border patrol searching American citizens???

Are you starting to sense a trend here?

Just because you support corrupt, bigoted police doesn't mean I have to.





To matthew
"Craig is simply defending his town through the local newspaper where he is assistant editor.
His wife is a teacher."

Therefore they must not be reliable witnesses? Wow, that's remarkably judgemental and stereotyping of you.

"Give minorities the money to educate...to succeed...the same as all the trust fund white kids do."

This may suprise you, but the majority of white kids don't have huge trust funds set aside for them. So, the poorer white kids don't deserve the same break that you claim the black kids do? Is that because you think black people can't hack the program in straight, fair competition? That they must be given a leg up in order to succeed? That sounds a little parochial.

"I'm white, and I hear what is said when there are no black people around. Especially growing up in Pittsburgh."

Well, it's sure a good thing that no black people ever badmouth whites when they are not around!

To matthew
Are all police bigoted just because of your anecdotal evidence?

Wow, no bigoted white person EVER stereotyped more than you do.

How are white men
Being penalized?

By reparations?

We give how many billions to Israel?

We spend how many billions for war?

We gave billions to Afghanistan and Iraq before we invaded them.

It has only been a a couple generations where black Americans could even vote!

You want to sweep everything under the rug. NOPE. Not my problem. We are all equal...everything is just peachy.

God forbid you put your money where your mouth is. It a simple gesture....

It's only money. The government spends more trying to fly to the moon!

We need to heal. It's the thought that counts. Think about it. Don't get angry, don't feel like you are being cheated out of your fair share...
White Americans have had it great and they did pretty well for themselves....

Families are still reaping the rewards of wealth created through slavery.

It's payback time.

Matthew
"Just because you support corrupt, bigoted police doesn't mean I have to."

Keep in mind that among any group a small portion among them can be found that is of less then high character. I have no doubt there are corrupt, bigoted whites, blacks, mexicans, cops, criminals, gang members, lawyers, accountants, students, teachers, trickers, etc.....

Attempting to smear any group of people based on the actions of a fraction of that group is the same mode of thinking as those that are racist.


all police?
Of course not. I explained that above thank you.

Do you support the actions of the corrupt ones?

Many here do.

That's what upsetting.

To matthew
"We need to heal."

And taking money from my children and giving it to people who didn't earn those particular dollars is going to heal us... how?

"It's the thought that counts. Think about it."

Okay, I've thought about it. Thoughts don't change anything. Wise, effective action does. Foolish action is not rehabilitated by good intent.

"Don't get angry, don't feel like you are being cheated out of your fair share..."

If the money I and my wife work hard for is taken from my family and given to people who did NOT work for those particular dollars... well, I AM being cheated out of my fair share. By definition.

"White Americans have had it great and they did pretty well for themselves...."

Well, here's the stereotyping again. I guess all us Whiteys are equally comfortable and wealthy, right?

"Families are still reaping the rewards of wealth created through slavery."

And? Will you penalize the innocent because they are the great-grand-children of the guilty? I don't know how YOU feel about 'collective punishment', but I figure it is generally unjust.

"It's payback time."

Payback against whom? Dead people?

matthew returns - 1
"How are white men ... Being penalized ... By reparations?"

Inevitably, EVERYONE in the economy is penalized as is always the case with any wealth redistrubtion scheme.

"We give how many billions to Israel? ... We gave billions to Afghanistan and Iraq before we invaded them...."

How exactly does the economically detrimental taking of money from taxpayers to give it to people you dislike somehow make taking money from taxpayers to give it to people you like any less economically detrimental?

"It has only been a a couple generations where black Americans could even vote!"

...which has absolutely no bearing on the issue, whatsoever.

"You want to sweep everything under the rug."

No one said any such thing. Recognizing and learning from a previous injustice does not magically make another injustice (the taking necessary to pay "reparations") magically acceptable. Last time I checked, two wrongs aren't supposed to make a right.

"God forbid you put your money where your mouth is. It a simple gesture...."

No, it is a matter of you wishing to take money from some people without their consent (that's called theft) for the SOLE purpose of giving it to others you personally deem to be deserving (that's called arrogance).

To matthew
The other poster did not say that he supported corrupt, bigoted police.
Because he said he supported police, you assumed that he must support the corrupt bigoted ones.

The only reason I can see for your assumption is that you believe ANY police he might possibly support MUST be bigoted and corrupt.

Tell me, Matthew: name ONE POSTER ON THIS BOARD who says he supports corrupt, bigoted police.

JUST ONE.

Again, you assume and stereotype.

matthew returns - 2
"It's only money. The government spends more trying to fly to the moon!"

Actually, no it doesn't. And even if it were true, the expenditures for NASA were a thinly veiled program to ensure leadership in military (ICBM) technology for national defense - a constitutionally mandated role of government.

"We need to heal."

So heal.

"It's the thought that counts."

Then think all you wish and keep your hands out of everyone else's wallets.

"White Americans have had it great and they did pretty well for themselves...."

SOME did. SOME blacks did too. You aren't interested in making any such distinguishment to justify your (imposed on everyone else) gesture.

"Families are still reaping the rewards of wealth created through slavery."

No such wealth exists. That myth was destroyed economically no later than 1776.

I am not smearing a group
I told a story.

Many hear find comfort that there are police out there who do these things.

It's your own hate shining through.

The same mentality when I go through airport security and you see passengers who look middle eastern pulled aside for the extended search.

This injustice makes YOU feel safer.

It's all about YOU.

Not anymore. Kids are different and they are sick of your intolerance. The future gives me HOPE!

Luv you Obama!

You know
I really wish the TH moderators would get off their arses and remove trash posting trolls like matthew. But I guess it adds to the post count even if it all hate and foul.

Posting flack bait like just detracts from having any meaningful exchange.

Isn't Israel
In itself a reparation?

Sometimes you have to do the right thing.



To matthew
"Many hear find comfort that there are police out there who do these things."

Name one. Or is this another of your fantasies?

"The same mentality when I go through airport security and you see passengers who look middle eastern pulled aside for the extended search."

When my family and I were flying back to the States from my stint at Fort Wainwright, it was *I* who got pulled for search, despite having my family with me and obvioustly being a soldier! When my unit passed through the airport headed for deployment, we had to take off our boots and open our bags for an 'extended search'! When returning for R&R, I got pulled from EVERY line to get searched!

DO NOT try passing that crocodile-tear bullcrap sob story off on me! If I can get pulled just for having short hair and an attentive air, Middle Eastern MAM's can darn well deal with it.

No
"In itself a reparation?"

Not even remotely.

Obviously, I meant...
"Isn't Israel ... [i]n itself a reparation?"

Of course not.

Tallil2long
I was told that I deserved what happened to me because I am a self-acknowledged sodomite.

Just like the victims in Katrina were to blame for not leaving New Orleans.

Just like Matthew Shepard deserved to die...

Just like Ron Paul says it our fault that thousands died on 9/11.

It's always blame the victim.

Until McCain wins the nomination. NOW they are victims of the media. See...we all play that card from time to time.

And NO..I was not performing oral sex when I was pulled off the road in Oklahoma. That happened later at the Comfort Inn...when I got out of the car in Missouri and kissed the ground!

PS. How's Afghanistan? Glad you're safe.


To F1etch
People like matthew are uanble to set Israel against its neighbors and recognize that Israel is the only liberal democracy in the region.

And that's ironic. I believe that matthew has claimed to be homosexual; you'd think he'd care that Palestinian Arab homosexuals have to take refuge in Israel just so their own people won't lynch them. You'd think he'd be thankful that Israel provides sanctuary -- and personal freedom of lifestle -- to homosexuals. You'd think he'd draw the obvious conclusions.

But he doesn't.

By the bye, matthew: if I've mistaken you for another poster and you have not in fact claimed to be gay, I ask your pardon. My memory might be faulty on this.

I support Israel
Don't know where you thought I didn't.

I think they even allow gays (openly) to serve in the military!


It's not blame the victim
The problem is the perpetual claim of victim status (and isn't it marvelously convenient that those pressing for such status have an endless stream if unsubstantiated anecdotes to help make their case.

No one HERE is arguing that you deserved mistreatment because of your sexual preference or that Matthew Shepard deserved to die.

That the victims of Katrina sat and waited for someone else to suggest that they get out of danger is an unavoidable reality. They are not blamed for the damage of Katrina; there are merely blamed for the inexcusable failure to take responsibility for themselves. That's not "blaming the victim"; that's acknowledging their own contribution to their ultimate situation.

And you have distorted Ron Paul's statements (even though I do not agree with him completely on this point either). He points out (correctly) that American foreign policy has contributed to the animosity directed at the US that helps make such attacks possible. That's not "balme the victim". If anything, that's "DUH!".

matthew
Okay you find one living slave still alive and we will consider reparations.