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Saturday, February 09, 2008
Pat Buchanan :: Townhall.com Columnist
A Rapprochement With the Right?
by Pat Buchanan
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On Thursday, at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, Sen. John McCain stood before thousands of conservatives he has done his level best to anger and alienate for a decade -- to ask for their support.

And he made a not unconvincing case.

What he said essentially was this. We have fought each other in the past, and we have fought side by side. And I admit to having made my share of mistakes. But if we do not work together, we lose the presidency. And if we lose the presidency, your causes will be lost, as well as my last chance to be president.

But if you will work with me, many of the causes for which you have fought -- one more justice like Roberts and Alito, retention of the Bush tax cuts, further reductions in tax rates, a more secure border -- will be taken up as the causes of my presidency.

Moreover, my door will be open and your voices heard. And none of this will happen if Hillary or Barack Obama wins, which will happen if we do not join forces and fight together.

Bottom line: If we don't hang together, we all hang separately. If my end of the dinghy sinks, yours will not stay afloat. And if I lose, you get your pound of flesh, but we will both be out in the cold as a Democratic Congress and president undo what was right about the Bush presidency as well as what was wrong about the Bush presidency.

So it is your call.

McCain is no orator. But the speech had humility and humor -- and put the ball back squarely in the court of the conservatives. For John McCain had just taken the first step toward a rapprochement with the right, by asking for an armistice and offering an alliance.

In 1964, as an even more acrimonious battle for the GOP ended at the Cow Palace in San Francisco, where the right hooted and booed Nelson Rockefeller, another Arizonan was far less compromising than John McCain. Barry Goldwater told that convention of conservatives that had just nominated him: "Anyone who joins us in all sincerity, we welcome. Those who do not care for our cause, we don't expect to enter our ranks in any case."

Conservatives now have a decision to make, though months before they have to make it. That decision: Is it better to cede the White House to the Democrats than have McCain become president of the United States and leader of the Republican Party and the nation?

Many have already made that decision: Better, they argue, to lose to Hillary than win with McCain. Better to be principled than pragmatic. As John F. Kennedy once said, "Sometimes party loyalty asks too much."

If the issue were simply, "Does McCain deserve the support of conservatives?" the answer would be simple and emphatic: No. Indeed, John McCain has fully earned the repudiation he received in the Arizona primary, when Mitt Romney ran far ahead among conservatives.

However, there is a question other than whether McCain deserves the support of the right, and it is this: Would it better serve the causes in which conservatives believe to have McCain in the White House or to have Clinton there?

If Hillary or Obama wins, as Jimmy Carter beat Gerald Ford in 1976, there is, argue some conservatives, a chance for a restoration in 2012, just as happened in 1980 when Reagan ousted Carter, sweeping 44 states and bringing in the first Republican Senate in a quarter century. And we got the Reagan Decade.

But if Hillary or Obama wins, the likelihood is good that either would nominate the next two justices to the Supreme Court. And there is no doubt that any Clinton or Obama nominee will be in the mold of Ruth Bader Ginsberg, not Antonin Scalia, and the long battle for the Supreme Court will be lost irretrievably.

The most powerful case against McCain is that, put brutally, he is not to be trusted.

Many on the right believe that if he wins, he will have no further need of conservatives and will revert to the McCain of McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy and McCain-Lieberman, the John McCain of the Gang of 14, who will never nominate justices like Sam Alito, because that would alienate his true constituency, the media, who are at his feet every time he undermines the conservative cause.

There is another consideration. McCain has said he will stay in Iraq another 100 years if necessary, that Russia should be thrown out of the G-8, that he will do whatever it takes to halt Iran's nuclear enrichment program. He has told us: "There's going to be other wars. ... I'm sorry to tell you, there's going to be other wars. We will never surrender, but there will be other wars."

John McCain seeks to be a war president. Indeed, it is the role of commander in chief of a nation at war that seems to commend itself most to John McCain. But is that good for America, let alone the right?

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Struggling right now...
I heard it said well--McCain not only reached out to the other side, he donned their uniform and sang their fight song. Now he wants me to support him. The dems will surely increase their majority in Congress. Does ANYONE really think John McCain will oppose them? What possible evidence exists to support that hope? Folks, the election may not be until November, but I'm afraid we've already lost. The prosecution of the war is important, and so by November I MAY be able to gag, spit, hold my nose, vomit and vote for McCain. But I swear if he puts that weasel Huckabee on the ticket, I'll stay home, period.

JOHN MCCAIN NEEDS A HEARING AID

When I heard McCain's Hispanic Outreach guy was none other than Smiling Juan Hernandez, I knew John McCain has heard nothing we have had to say.


Smiling Juan Hernadez
We know who he is, we know his loyalties are to Mexico, we know he wants to erase our borders and immigration laws.

JOHN MCCAIN, YOU NEED A NEW HEARING AID

Smiling Juan Hernandez
In case you don't know him, he used to work for the Mexican govt., lately he has been shilling for "rights" for illegal aliens in this country. He has said he wants Mexicans to remain Mexicans even if they are living here. His loyalties are to Mexico, not U.S.



Questions for illegal alien apologists like John McCain:

Why does The National Council of the Race (la raza in spanish) and the Chamber of Commerce get to negotiate a "Comprehensive Shafting of The American Citizens" behind closed doors? Since when does an organization representing foreign nationals breaking our laws get to rewrite our immigration laws to suit the lawbreakers? Isn't this akin to allowing NAMBLA to rewrite our laws regarding child predators? Or allowing organized crime syndicates to rewrite racketeering, gambling, prostitution, and extortion laws?

We The People are being told by our representatives that we should sit down and shut up while they invite in the entire world. We The People should get some say in this matter. Another amnesty will set off a stampede like we have never seen before. There is not much time to save our country. All the money and power are on the side of shoving this amnesty down our throats. The RNC wants an amnesty candidate, don't vote for one.

GOP-RIP?
What's the likelihood of anyone who has been called names for wanting the gov't to actually enforce the laws, to vote for those jamming amnesty down our throats?

McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Feingold, McCain-Leiberman. Leadership like this I can do without.

Carbon taxes, constitutional rights for Gitmo detainees and amnesty for illegal aliens await us no matter who wins, whoopee!!!

I will not participate in the dissolution of my country.


You simply CANNOT have national security if you will not defend your own borders or enforce your own laws. Foreign nationals numbering in the thousands are entering our country at will daily. John McCain has done and will do NOTHING to stop it. Don't believe me? Ask Juan Hernandez!

$.02
I truly believe that McCain cannot be trusted. There is no guarantee that he will do anything conservatives want. I'm afraid he will seek the counsel of Kennedy, Liberman, etc. over those of Republicans. I cannot support McCain under any circumstance.
I'm prepared for the Clinton or Obama presidency, bring it on. I believe this great country will survive.
I trust in a higher power to sustain us. Remember, there is a power greater than either party or leader. The same power that guided the founding fathers is still with this great nation. I put my trust in the Lord. Fellow conservatives we should not panic.

Be A Maverick! No Votes For McCain!

The Stupid Party

The RNC wants an amnesty candidate.

Don't vote for one.

Another amnesty will result in Democrat majorities for decades, or until they are supplanted by the La Raza Party, why doesn't the RNC know that? How stupid do you have to be to import voters for the opposition at the same time you alienate your own voters? Nominating any of the amnesty supporters is a losing proposition, we will not support them. If the GOP intends to surrender our sovereignty and abandon the rule of law, they will find in November 2008, that they still have their big money/cheap labor donors, but they do not have voters. GOP-RIP

As a conservative ...
I deplore some of the positions John McCain has taken, but to have either of those two Democratic disciples of Saul Alinsky in the White House would be a catastrophe for our nation. So long as there is breath in my body, I will do all that is within my power to prevent it.

Butteblack,
If you trust in the Lord, why wouldn't you trust in the Lord regardless of who is prez?

I cant go back now!
Before I voted for Bush's first term, I was a union dem. The dems took a far left turn and never stoped. Listening to Rush and other conservative leaders won me over. It was the conservative ideas and arguements.
It's hard to watch my party go from Regan, to Bush 1, to Bush 2, and now to McCain! Regan ran with core ideas and values and led a movement! If you want to know if your a true leader, look back and see who is following you.
I'm not following McCain and I know a lot of the base isnt either.
Some may argue " your voting for Hillary " NO! I'm voting for more loyal conservative when you put one out. If it means local conservatives like congress ect.
Some say what about the troops? Our best hope is nominating conservatives to the House and Senate.
What about judges? We have the four youngest on the bench. If we cant get a candidate to unite behind, maby our children will have to do it because our leaders in washington have lost their way.
It's an easy decision for me to make because I know I have a core foundation with faith and conservatism. Bisides, if you dont stand for something, you will stand for anything!
So my new moto is " I will stand with all the Shadrak, Mesac and Abednego's and not bow to the worship of the idea " we need a moderate to lead us "












John McCain
There is NO way I will vote for John McCain. If the Republican Party is worried about losing, they should have held to Conservative principles (think Goldwater), instead of selling us out. I want someone who will get us back on track with the Constitution. Nobody is talking about that. Everything else is secondary. The economy, our borders, terrorism, health care, nothing matters if we don't adhere to the Constitution. If we get back on track, a lot of these problems will fix themselves, and we can work on the rest. However, if we continue on our present course, not only is the Republican Party lost, so is our country. I do NOT want a North American Union, I will NOT accept a Real ID (no matter the form), and I WILL fight to maintain our sovereignty, even if that means taking up arms. I'd prefer, though, to vote the traitors out of office.

I like Pat and John
I like both Pat Buchanan and John McCain, they both speak their mind. They also are both disliked by the far fringe right wing lock stepping ideologues. That is why I like them even more; they are not Lambs and actually have principles, as opposed to the Republicans that claim their "canned" litmus test = principle, when its just fundamental extream ideology, devoid of critical or practical thought process.

The people will reject the GOP more if it continues with its ridged authoritarian agenda, where disagreeing is not tollerated, and "following orders" for the sake of the party and power is Job #1, putting it before the People and nation.

Having Rush and Ann Coulter bash John McCain is a badge of honor.

Conservatives would rather be wrong than change or agree with the Dems. Now the "BASE" is crying like babies, waaaaa, I'm not going to vote because McCain supported Bush's Immigration. Get over it, GROW up, calm down you emotional little whiny babies, sniff sob.

The problem with Huckabee
is that he's just as much an open borders fan as McCain and I'm sure that the only reason he stayed in the race was to split the conservative vote and keep Romney out. He probably is hoping for the VP spot.

America needs to realize that the mass of third world people that are inundating the US right now is our largest and most intractable problem and it's not just from Mexico. War on poverty -- importing more poor. Healthcare crisis -- importing burdens on our hospitals. National security -- Terrorist can hide among (and get support from) the immigrants. National debt / Social Security crisis -- immigrants are a net drain on our budget through welfare and schools. etc....

I don't believe in conspiracies but it's interesting that the thing McC and Huck have in common is open borders. Huck from and evangelical perspective and McC from a globalist perspective. There are a lot of groups pushing against the will of most Americans on this subject. Working behind the scenes, they may be what has caused our current situation.

Hey, disgruntled fellow cons,
how did withholding your vote in '06 work out us conservatives? We sure showed those deaf and dumb repubbies, huh? Sent them packing and allowed the loonies like Reid and Pelosi control of the Congress. Yesterday Rush played a tape of himself before the 2006 election, describing what would happen if conservatives went ahead with their little snit fit and sat it out. He was exactly correct.

Get over it! It is what it is and the McCain train will either chug into the station with us on it, or else be derailed, putting our policies in the ditch for the next 50 years while we stood idly by. Yeah, that'll sure show them. Refusing to vote for McCain (how I dislike him, let me count the ways) is not just cutting off your nose to spite your face - it's more like cutting off your head because you have big, nasty pimple on your chin.

Personally I'm working to unseat every liberal politician on my ballot. Our ONLY strategy is to put enough conservatives in office to block liberal idiocy of WHOEVER is President.

We can either work from inside the party OR will be standing outside, watching with disgust through the window at the goings on, utterly helpless and totally excluded.

Don't give up, do what Reagan did-keeping fighting for what you believe and remember which candidate Al Quaida will endorse - it dam sure won't be McCain.

McCain & Juan Hernandez
Birds of a feather, don't they flock together?

Open-borders advocate/Mexican-government agent Juan Hernandez advising McCain on "immigration" issues. No wonder McCain supports amnesty. By the way, who advises McCain on U.S. citizens' issues?????

Makes you wonder who calls the shots at the McCain camp.

McCain and the Supreme Court
McCain keeps saying that he will nominate an Alito or a Roberts to the Supreme Curt but he keeps campaigning in Republican primaries with the former Attorney General of Connecticut Joe Lieberman. A reporter should ask if he would consider nominating a Joe Lieberman to the Supreme Court.

left out "for" in front of conservatives
You'll are smart enough to figure it out, I assume.

I hope you're smart enough not to puff on the pipe of third party, also. The only faster way to ensure a permanent dhimmicrat tyranny is to just register as a dem and vote strict party line.

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Robert, Touj and a few others for posting their idiotic drivel here on TH. Makes it much faster to get to the bottom of the threads when I can scroll past you guys.

If these dolts ever get a clue and post a coherent thought, somebody let me know so I can back track.

On second thought, never mind. I can't risk any of the braincells I have left by reading any more liberal blather than I'm already deluged with.


McCain and Conservatives

I think four years of Hillary would play in conservatives favor though it sickens me to say so. It is evident that Congress and the Senate aren't going to stop their gourging. I think it incumbent upon us to clearly distinguish ourselves from such profligate spending.

I am astonished by how few people in the general population understand the duties of the various branches of government. Given McCain's speech at CPAC, I'd suggest he too needs to understand the role of President.

Of course there is always the risk that the Democrats actually act in a more fiscally responsible way in order to stay in office.

I found funny a Republican's critism of the State Dept in Iraq as ineffective and bumbling funny since the President and Sec Rice have been managing that. The government has grown while in Republican control of both the White House and the Senate and Congress, they were unwilling to sustantially reform government, throwing all their political credit on the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The greatest danger to Democracy is the elimination of the Hatch Act,the growth of government, our tremendous debt and the fact that we continue to carry the full weight of these War activities.

We are where Britian was after WWI and where the Soviet Union was at the end of the Cold War. Low interest rates fulled profligate spending, bankrupting a vast swath of the US population to pay for the gourging.

Now we look down the throat of tax increases, already encroaching on a local level. Small businesses and the middle class are trying to adjust, creating efficiences and looking at the prospect no matter who you vote for of four more years of out of control spending.

God help us all for in chosing McCain, the political class made America the loser.

A black man I work with
told me yesterday, if Clinton or Obama get in, he's going to quit working and get ALL that free "cheese."

In that case I might have to "retire" myself. Also, I'm afraid if McCain gets in, he'll tax and regulate my company out of existence, or else force them to move to Mexico with his "cap & trade" globalonney warming scam, making it even more critical for us to put as many conservative in DC as we can...

Don't sit this one out. Be an adult and play with the cards you've been dealt. Together we can make a difference. If you abandon me, you're no better than McCain.

Huckabee
A vote for Huckabee in the primaries is a wasted vote. In order to defeat McCain he needs to take 1000 of the remaining delegates. The math is just not there. Put that together with the fact that is really a stretch to think that Huckabeee can defeat either "The Wicked Witch of The West" or the most liberal senator leaves me with no choice but to back McCain as I did for Goldwater, Regan Nixion, Ike, Nixon. Get the Idea I am a Lifelong republican and will support whomever my party choses because simply put! The worst republican is a better choice then the best democrat. To those who stay home, it is a great way to say thanks those who have fought for you to be able to cast a vote. VOTE no matter what. Otherwise don't complain about what the Government is doing, because you are the problem

Pat Buchanan on John NMcCain at CPAC
Pat, it's not about you. It's about American. When you don't get everything for dinner do you just refuse to eat? It's buffet time, so take a plate and start picking what you do like. There's a lot to like aboout John McCain.

This is about preventing two to four left wing liberals being appointed to the SCOTUS, and I do trust Senator McCain on this. At least we KNOW either Democrat candidate will appoint them with certainty.

I think you have let your ego interfere with good and sound judgement. America is worth so much more that a few conservatives being upset because the band is passing them by, It's your own faults for not supporting a more comnservative candidate. You had Duncan Hunter, I didn't see you all running to his side. You had Mitt Romeny....you were lukewarm about him...and many of you who have been bringing up Bill Clinton's immorality every chance you get, were willing to accept Rudy and take a blind eye to his immorality and the fact he is not pro life...shudders..

You all paint John McCain as tho he is the devil himself...what a silly, sophomoric and santimonous postering.

While some candidates may be better than others for sure, no man is perfect, and if you thought one was, you'd bitterly disappointed.

You can't have it both ways. Either support John McCain, or pick another candidate....vote for Hillary or Obama if you must...and then we will know what phonies you all are.

As for me, I'm voting for not my first choice, but for the one we have. Then I will have the right to complain and whine..You won't have a leg to stand on when the Democrats take over, nor a right to complain..


Not My Friend
"Many on the right believe that if he wins, he will have no further need of conservatives and will revert to the McCain of McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy and McCain-Lieberman, the John McCain of the Gang of 14, who will never nominate justices like Sam Alito, because that would alienate his true constituency, the media, who are at his feet every time he undermines the conservative cause."

Exactly. How many times does this man have to kick us in the head for people to get that he's not trustworthy and frankly, I don't want a volatile unpredictable person with his finger on the nuke button, MY FRIEND.

This is a nation of children ...
someone else should pay for their health care ahile they use their money for toys. Bad guys will go away if citizens are disarmed. Windmills will generate energy.
In the end Jorge was little different from Kerry. Some difference in policy, but the net effect is catering to children so he could be in 'charge'. How can you have a great nation if the people are without moral fiber?

Divorce your principles and join McCain
I now see the light! Give your support to a candidate who hasn't supported your principles! Remember, he is a man of principles and therefore you cannot expect him to divorce HIS principles but he darn well expects you to walk away from yours and vote for him!!

Hmmm, what are the chances that, giving my vote (against my principles) to a person who has diametrically-opposed "principles" that that there vote on my part will not be construed by the candidate as "I take thee, the voter, for granted and therefore I can do as I please."?

Since I am a pragmatist, to hell with my principles but McCain can keep his. One thing is certain, McCain won't change for anyone, including you! You see, we follow him and NOT the other way around, don't you know!


Is the Conservative Movement Dead?

This was a very interesting comment on the PP by Indy!

PP-Obama will clean the GOP’s clock and folks like Limbaugh and Chelf know it, that is why they want Hillary.

Being anti-Hillary is all y’all partisan GOP types have, for your miserable candidates and incumbents abandoned conservatism and party principles a long time ago.

The way this has developed is purely hilarious for us, the Independents. The Dems are voting in off-the-chart numbers, buoyed by US who have jetisoned YOU and the destroyers of America whom you so blindly support.

The two candidates raising tens of millions from average Americans were Barack Obama and Ron Paul. Hillary’s donor list and McCain’s are made up of the usual suspects - the Wall Streeters and DC lobbyists.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/is-the-conservativ e-movement-dead


McCainiac
McCain is a member of his own party and always has been. He is on the membership list of the Council on Foreign Relations as a "Vietnam War POW and Red Collaborator." What does "Collaborator" mean? McCain's collaboration with the libs and Demos gets him face time and media attention.

Roadmaster
The GOP has nominated a man who was not supported by much of it's base, and no GOP candidate has won an election when that happened. McCain did get the votes of those who believe the war on terror is the dominanat issue - but not the rest. McCain, further, has repeatedly said that he doesn't know much about the economy, yet the economy is the #1 issue with voters. He claims he can attract moderates, yet 63% of the likely voters want the troops home in a year, and since 33% of the people continue to support the war, it goes without saying that most of the moderates are in the 63%. He has repeatedly made angry and tactless statements to those with whom he disagrees, many of whom were and are in the base of his own party. This has happened dozens of times, and one has to question the judgement and temperment of someone who has this character trait. Many people want someone who is a uniifying figure - not a divider. McCain's history does not suggest that he can do this. Further, congress will continue to be controlled by democrats, and for McCain to be successful, he will have to work with them. Whatever he accomplishes will consist of compromises, and those compromises will be laid equally at the feet of the GOP, as well as the Democrats. In the end, he's old, has divided his base, is often tactless and mean spirited, knows little about the economy, and is running primarily on the war, which is no longer the #1 issue. No matter how you feel, much of the GOP base will never be enthusiastic about McCain. The very fact that the entire theme used by those that are attempting to get the base to rally around McCain is to talk about the fear of the Democrats, not what's good about McCain, should tell you this. McCain's a mistake, and the GOP is now trying to figure out how to cope with it.

Terror
with McVain in the whitehouse, Terror will no longer be a danger overseas. This guy is another unprincipled, vindictive "tricky dick" Nixon, possessed of much of the same temperment and obssessive paranoia; any McVain Presidency scares the "bejesus" out of me!
I mean McVain is a walking time bomb, "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran".
For the life of me, other than the Ginsburg Supreme appointment and lower Federal court appointments (on whom McVain and the RINOs rolled) and bringing disgrace to the office of the Presidency via his personal sexual quirks, I am hard pressed to think of things Bill Clinton did of a damaging nature during his Presidency; you can argue that he failed to prosecute a WOT on his watch when maybe the events of 09/11/2001 could have been avoided, but that is speculation given the errors of the FBI and CIA in recognizing the domestic threat right up to 09/11/2001.
I don't find Hillary to be more dangerous. If elected she will press hard and early on unpopular projects that should bring DEM House and Senate losses in 2010, and if you consider that even now (when they get their backbones stiffened) the "Blue Dog" Dems are closer to the GOP than to Pelosi, et al. We need more Sen Demints and Sen Sessions in the US Senate, and this IS something concervatives really need to be working toward! If we only had two Demints from SC! Maybe, in Nov SC will toss Grahamnesty out!
As far as the WOT, Hillary, once elected will be closer to the center's position; she will not get out of Iraq prematurely, but she will get out when the time has come to go, and that will not be McVain's "100 years if necessary".
Personally, I can live with Hillary, as opposed to a complete neophyte like Obama or another Richard Nixon!

Roadmaster
You bring up a natural result of electing an administration that makes flossy promises to its constituency. If the rulers try to keep their promises, those who are too wise to expect a free lunch look for ways to leave. The Cuban economy is at stone age level right now because when investment risk, hard work and brains were no longer rewarded, the owners of these commodities left. In the final analysis, there is no way PC pie in the sky can work. Wouldn't it be ironic if over the future, Americans began leaving for Belize or some such place. If socialism really takes hold, it could actually happen, and more rapidly than most people think. If the 10 or 15 million conservative Americans who are thoroughly disgusted would all move to Belize, the infusion of talent, money and values would revolutionize the place. Only my family keeps me here. And my cousin is buying property there.

MCCAIN-FEINGOLD
......... IS OFTEN MENTIONED .
FEINGOLD IS WITHOUT DOUBT ONE OF THE MOST
SANCTIMONIOUS BASTARDS THAT I HAVE EVER HEARD.
WHY MCCAIN WOULD ALLY HIMSELF WITH SOMEONE
LIKE FEINGOLD IS BEYOND COMPREHENSION .

oldred
still eating the same cereal they sold you on as a kid?

Stopping McCain is Good
McCain is far worse than Hillary on national security. McCain advocates for terrorists to have Constitutional rights. He opposes mild interrogation techniques and wants to close Gitmo. He has a macho obsession with catching bin Laden that corroborates the hotheaded irrationalism we have seen on so many other issues.

McCain is far worse than Hillary on environmental extremism. He is far more sanctimonious and ostentatious when he drinks the enviro kool aid.

McCain is going to lose - big time. But Hillary's rule will be an opportunity to purge the neocons and the socialists - or better yet, to bury the Republican party and start over.

Rush re: 2006 elections
Yup, if elected, McCain will work hand-in-hand with the dems to push them dems' agendas---amnesty and the rest. McCain just doesn't reach, he puts on the dems' uniform (Rush's own words) and goes full throttle in support of said issues.

Vote in congressional elections, folks. Your last chance to make a real difference!

Savage99
Re "If Socialism takes over Americans will move to Belize": Not really.

First of all, I think what you are trying to say is that if a Democratic administration assumes power, conservative Americans will wish government to be different. A Democratic administration does not constitute Socialism---you are just reacting to conservative hype that has filled the air now since 1980.

Second, Republicans who love their country clubs and suburban shopping malls and golf courses and mega-churches and cream-filled children would HATE Belize, which is a primitive tropical country full of mosquitoes. Never underestimate the love a Republican has for pure comfort.

Third, people have a natural tendency to stay home. However much Democrats may have wished to emigrate to Canada when Bush/Cheney took over, most stayed here for reasons of practicality. And if we Democrats can keep getting up every morning and facing the day when that day is full of signing statements and secret prisons and torture and tax benefits to the rich and the erosion of our government, you Republicans can live with a government you don't like. The pendulum swings. Hang in there.

Re. The McCain Dilemna
Ok, there's much we don't like about McCain. But since he needs us more than we need him, this observer would then suggest that that provides leverage. Chips to use could include the conservative choice for VP. Further, to head off any possible McCain errors in governance, we must take the nine months we have between now and the election and ensure that we elect a CONSERVATIVE Congress, not merely a Republican/RINO one. That is where the biggest problems arise. Think about it: there are still a large number of Bush appointees to various posts, especially judicial, whom the Democrats refuse even a hearing. So I say, let's support John McCain, but keep him on a short leash.

Purple finger is what we need
Our country is free, we say. We are allowed to vote for whom we wish..we are trying to show the world this is so..but we now have the republican party telling us we have to stand behind McCain, others say vote Huck! NO WAY!

The most conservative man in my eyes is Romney. Many of us will vote for him in primaries and in Nov.....maybe we need to have an ink well at the ballot boxes....we can show the world we are free to vote for the President of our choice.

My husband is in the military and is there so we can have our freedom....so don't tell me who to vote for....we can pull down statues of dictators just like they did in Iraq!

McCain or not?
Better to go to the polls in November, skip the presidential vote and select conservatives down the line for all other offices. Maybe the GOP will notice the large gap between total votes cast for President versus total votes cast in the other categories and finally get the message. Principles ARE more important than a single election. Presidents come and go, Supremes die and need to be replaced on a regular basis. Congressmen once elected hang around a long, long time.

Jayrey is right on
the spot. But you threw me a curve ball in the last sentence. We don't need a moderate to lead us, we need a conservative.

You need not worry.
The mainstream media will never let John McCain become president.

The vast majority of the American electorate get their world view from the Nitwitness News. They are uninformed, intellectually lazy and enthralled with the idea of "making history" by voting in the first woman president (or black president in the unlikely chance that Obama gets the nod.) When you have an electorate that is that ignorant and malleable, the press will pretty much determine who wins in November.

The plain fact of the matter is that McCain is DOA. The press will turn on McCain like a rabid dog and destroy him before the election.

R.N.C Calls
Whenever the rnc calls to beg for money, and they ask for me. I tell them i'm sorry but he is no longer with us. He hung himself when Mc Cain became the nominee.haha

McCain only NEEDS us til he Wins...
...IF YOU WANT MY VOTE JOHN- MAKE BUSH BUILD THE FENCE NOW!

No fence by election day- NO VOTE FOR POTUS!

Lilly
Good morning.
You jump from my musings to concrete prediction based on what you think i am trying to say. I said "it would be ironic..if Americans began leaving...if socialism really takes hold". Then you go on to tell me what i really mean. What i really mean is it would be ironic if America, which has profited since WWII from the infusion of brains and investments from socialist countries, should become so socialist that the money and brains in America should find it profitable to go somewhere else. What is so strange about that? Money and talent follow reward for same, always have. Cuba and Kenya are recent examples of talent/cash departure as socialism ended reward for same. Ireland and Singapore are examples of countries booming as the laws and culture were altered to enable reward.
Your talk of comfort doesn't hold up. Were i to go to Belize( not the only candidate by any means), my house would be air-conditioned, and my neighbors would be as prosperous as i. And if i couldn't find what i want in Belize, why not Ireland or ...? Your mention of a natural tendency to stay home is on the mark. As i said, my children and grandchildren are here, and places dear to me. I hardly think the election of Hillary or BHO or McCain would in itself be enough to make moving worth it, and i did not say it would. Unlike the thoughtless meaningless statements of folks lke Alec Baldwin who find nothing strange about saying what he would do and doing something else, i am careful to make my word mean something.
As for what you and Democrats in general have been putting up with, i join you in misery and frustration. With Bush at 30 percent approval and Congress even lower, it is apparent that we are hardly the only disatisfied voters.

for roadmaster
roadmaster writes: "On second thought, never mind. I can't risk any of the braincells I have left by reading any more liberal blather than I'm already deluged with."

Maybe you should switch to the LittleGreenFootballs blog. Their moderator routinely bans liberals--post something liberal and he simply removes your posting account and password.

So on LittleGreenFootballs, everybody talks just like you--you'll feel like you're talking to yourself.

Marine43
Thanks leatherneck. You win my first chuckle of the day award. Not an easy task, the idiocy in DC, and by voters in general, has me in a grumpy mood lately. Upon consideration, its time to count my blessings, say thanks to you and Mr. Garand again, and write Valentines to my grandchildren.

Have any of you
read about the bills Hillary/Obama/Kennedy are ready to spring on us? Comparable worth! Anti-employment discrimination against the most wierd of prospective employees thus taking away most of an employers right to hire whom he pleases etc etc etc. You get what I mean to illustrate.

The one good point about McCain I keep reminding myself is regarding the war on terror and how the world would regard our determination to fight vs the will of Hillary and Obama.

Boffo post, Betsy
An excellent analysis, Redlac.

The GOP is indeed, the stupid party-tone deaf and feckless in their ways almost as bad as the dhimmicrats.

But this is the system we're stuck with and I don't see any third party emerging so I'll do what I can, standing firm where they in Washington cannot or will not.

If us conservatives want to turn around our ship of state, we must stand up and be a real mutiny, not keep our marbles and stay home. The snit fit of '06 must end and adults have to come to the fore.

It is what it is. Just because Muckain is the inevitable candidate doesn't mean more oppressing and bloated government is inevitable.

Myself, I'm working hard to unseat Rep Raul "Gravy Train" Grijalva. What are you going to do?

for lilly
lilly writes: "The pendulum swings. Hang in there."

Here's how I see it:

Bush could claim that the U.S. was taken by surprise on 9-11--sucker-punched, so to speak.

But a President Hillary or a President Obama cannot use that excuse anymore since by now, we're all well aware of what al-Qaeda is capable of.

So, if under either President Hillary or President Obama, the U.S. is attacked again with a 9-11 type major attack (or worse, with a WMD type attack), we conservatives are going to hold you liberals personally responsible for it.

And in that case, we will probably drive you out of the country for good, so that you can't cause us any more trouble.

So if you do win the November election:
DON'T SCREW IT UP. If America gets attacked again, even after we have been forewarned of the dangers, you will be held responsible for it.

McLame is
a sacrifical lamb.........just like the 1996 election, upper echelon republicans recognized there was no chance, so the sacrifice was grandfatherly Bob Dole..........

The upper echelon, which I suspect Pat Buchanan is tied, knows the republicans can't win in 2008, so they will wait, as they did in 96, for 2012.

Republicans had six years of congressional control and acted like democrats...they deserve what happens.......principle has meant notthing to America so we find ourselves with the disgusting choices we have for president and see America in the sink-hole of mire and going down.

It's still not too late for a brokered convention and gain some self-respect and rid the party of RINO McCain...although I suspect it's as I've noted above, republicans have conceded, McCain is the sacrifice.

for redlac
redlac writes: "The GOP has nominated a man who was not supported by much of it's base, and no GOP candidate has won an election when that happened. "

The GOP base is partly to blame for that itself.

First, in 2006, they didn't work hard enough to re-elect Senator George Allen of Virginia. He was the closest thing they had to a true conservative "heir apparent." But he lost.

Then they bypassed the most genuine, most credible conservative candidate remaining--Duncan Hunter. And instead, they drafted a Hollywood actor named Fred Thompson to run for President, whose political credentials were virtually unknown to most people.

After Fred started to fizzle, again they bypassed Duncan Hunter and tried to draft Newt Gingrich.

Only after Newt said he wasn't interested did they first start to look at Romney, who was never known nationally as "Mister Conservative" before.

The GOP base screwed it up, by such mistakes as their fatal infatuation with Fred Thompson.

SteveL
Great point, and another huge reason to have the Dems in there in '08. Think what the left will say if we get a mjor attack with McCain in there? They will blame it all on us, and our refusal to negotiate with the jihadis.

Bush one and two
both squandered a chance to use a legacy and a majority.
To the younger's credit, tax cuts, fighting back after 2001, and the Roberts/Alito appointments balance the books somewhat. Sadly, since Regan, Republicans have mostly demonstrated only a reluctance to rule when they are in position to do so. So, would four years of the Dems bring some sense into people? Quite a roll of the dice. Will an embittered old hawk be able to rule well? Jeez, what a year!

Romnet in 2012
Ofcourse all the idiots in this blog and listeners to Rush, Sean etc will anoint Romney for 2012 only because these talk radio morons said so..they say it and people listen. Because, you know - insulting Rush etc would be blasphemous..

Romney is a fake - was a fake. Watch what happens - in the next 4 years, Romney is going to listen to Hugh, Rush etc and take all far right positions - talk tough etc. But Romney is a wimp who wears the other sex's undergarments..he listens to these folks again, he will lose again 2012.

He should listen to Medved and instead focus on who he is. That might help him win in 2012.

As Bad As McCain Is
Hillary and Obama would be worse. Do we inflict that on our nation with the hope it would be so bad that there would be a Republican resurgence in 2012? Jimmy Carter caused a lot of damage and opened the door for Reagan but even with Reagan the march to socialism was only slowed, not reversed.

McCain would be much more effective than either of the Dems in defense. His weakness is in domestic policy, economic policy in particular. McCain has brought on to his team some excellent advisors in this area and picking a running mate with strong business credentials could help him tremendously.

Having a candidate for vice president able to hammer the benefits of the free market in an articulate manner will help keep the socialists out of the White House. McCain picking someone respected by conservatives would also help patch things up with the base. His selection will show whether he is interested in doing that.

Big Myth
The pendulum never swings, except on a clock. Do you believe for one minute Hitler would have ever left power, if the world had waited for the pendulum to swing. The pendulum moves only by force, something must act on it. Iran will never behave and will never become less radical until forced to do so--the only question left to be answered is "Who will provide the force needed to create the desired change"?

Back to basics
Some said rightly said that we need to elect conservative men and women to the US CONGRESS.

They will act as a check and balance on McCain's liberal tendencies.

It appears John has gotten the voter's message - that we want a conservative in the White House.

Too bad as a country we were influenced by innuendo and misrepresentation about the LDS faith - or we could be supporting a decent conservative and have a Mormon in the White House.

Did anyone read that book? It is still worth a quick read as Mitt remains in the wings ready to serve this nation. But we have to allow him to serve. It is our fault that his hands are tied.

I've known of the Romney family for the past decade through the interactions of some of my adult children - and the word was always that he could be trusted. Too bad we didn't trust him now.

But back to reality. First things first. Pay attention to our current reps in Congress and kick the bums out who are sitting on their hands and not representing us. We put them there; we can remove them if we pay attention and fight for better representation. Maybe one of you should run.

McCain has set the correct agenda for this nation. Yes, he may be the real flip flopper and the late one to be converted to conservative principles. As a neophyte to "truth" let's help him - not bash him. He is accountable to us but we don't need to exact our pound of flesh (revenge) at this point in the game. Forgive and more on.

Support John. Unite as a GOP conservative voice and be an influence for good instead of an agitator and reciter of sour grapes.

We are at war and need to work together lest the masses elect an anti-war candidate who believes in Big Brother/Sister government as the answer to our social, moral, fiscal, and defense problems. God help us all if we let the excited voices of inexperienced, but hopeful youth stampede this electoral process.

McCain must NOT be 3rd GW Bush term
Buchanan asserts one of the arguments of "conservaties" is that even with an Obama or Hillary win in '08, the GOP stands a chance of "restoration" in 2012, with the election of a "genuine conservative".

But has not Pat been writing for years now how impending demographic changes in our nation increasinly favor democrats?

If that is true, what assurances do conservatives have in winning the whitehouse in 2012 from a democratic incumbent?

Pat's whole hypothesis about changing demographics makes the hurdle higher for the GOP. Why exacerbate an already dire situation by sitting out this election, ensuring a democrat win in 2008?

A GOP incumbent president cannot be a bad thing going into 2012.

I fully agree with Pat Buchanan regarding his unease with McCain's seeming lust for war, and with unnecessarily antagonizing the Russians and others.

Been there, done that, with G.W. Bush.

Americans will not go down that road again.

If a McCain presidency is perceived to be nothing more than a 3rd G.W. Bush term, then all I can say about his chances this November is, "No Sale".

Americans won't buy it.

Exercise Your Right To...
If the Republicans and Democrats have only the current crop of candidates to offer America; America is in deep trouble. The Republicans, Democrats and main-stream-media (MSM) are just thrilled with these power-seekers; however, the average American is not.

Both Dole and McCain are war heroes who are genuine patriots; however, our political system is surely not patriotic. It has become a corrupted, self-serving, etc., etc. unpatriotic system that must be changed (reformed). Else, America will continue its slow and painful decline into oblivion.

For those who still don’t understand why so many Americans have become disgusted with the politics of today, they need look no further than the current primary campaigns. Our political system itself is now so corrupted from special interest groups and pandering to political correctness that it may never recover. This is wrong and if not corrected, will continue to cause this divided country much pain and divisions in the future. Our forefathers never wanted nor envisioned the political nonsense of today; nor of America becoming a nanny-state.

This political season is very disturbing; I do not like any of the Republican or Democrat presidential candidates. This election will go down to the wire, with each one of us having to choose between the lesser of two evils. But, to cast the most informed vote in the most important election in our lifetimes, it is essential that we know and fully understand the pros and cons of each candidate. Your vote does count and you should be voting for the candidate that best reflects your views of what makes this country great and so unique. Just remember that this uniqueness is truly a reflection of its people and what they believe in.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst…I urge you to exercise your right to V-O-T-E…else you have no right to complain!



It's about more than beating Clinton
As a registered Conservative in Upstate New York, I share the angst of may of our Republican brethren regarding the terror of another Clinton presidency, however it has to be about more than beating Hillary.

As conservative Republicans and Conservative we have to maintain our principles and values, as they are what make us what we are. We must remember that the Republican party once was a proud, unified and principled party and those of us who can truly call ourselves Conservative(s) broke from the Republican Party when it decided that it no longer needed to base its platform on its tried and true principles, but rather lay its principles aside and accept as members and candidates anyone who had enough money to help support the party or political clout to win an election as a Republican In Name Only.

In the Conservative Party our principles and values are not served cafeteria style where one can pick and chose which principles and values they wish to embrace, but our members and candidates are expected to embrace all of our Conservative values and principles, whether they be social, economic, military or constitutional.

There can be no middle ground, you are either a full conservative Republican and Conservative or you are not.

Justice Alito wrote recently in a decision that the 1st Amendment guarantees political parties to chose their members and candidates based on the potential member or candidates adherence to the party's values and principles.

I would pray that the Republican party remember that!

The sky is falling again,
No God in heaven can be found who is able to direct the affairs of men let alone nations.

NOT.

Sip your o'latte, stay home, don't vote.

Stop the noise making.





McCain = Bush 3?
Heard rumblings about dems casting McCain (if and when he gets the nom) as a continuation of the Bush administration. Will it work? The only things differentiating Bush from McCain seem to be tax cuts (McCain voted twice against then but now says they are all good and dandy but the man of principles that he is he may not push for tax cuts---remember, the dems control congress so no tax cuts in the foreseeable future), campaign finance "reform" (McCain has not backtracked on this one), global warming (yup, no backtracking on this issue either), and other issues. I take McCain at his actions---he is a man of principles so don't expect him to change---so he, based on these disagreements with Bush, can claim he is NOT Bush 3!

McCain is a man of principles, he will not listen to or cater to anyone! Both McCainites and anti-McCainers know not to expect any changes once McCain is prez, for his ideals trump everybody and everything.

Vote for McCain, the man of principles! If you want YOUR voice heard, also vote in them there congressional elections!


Ron Paul
Why did not conservatives vote for Ron Paul?

John McCain scares me…

Yes, John McCain scares me! He does not have the right temperament to be President or even a Senator representing the Republican Party. It could be the “Manchurian Candidate” syndrome that scares me the most or the fact he is a RINO (yes a RINO, with a conservative record); probably it’s a combination of all of the above. Just look at his past (public and private). As a Senator, what has he accomplished for conservatives or the country?

If John McCain is the only Republican who can beat the Democrats in 2008, as many are now saying; the Republicans and America are in deep trouble. The Democrats and MSM are just thrilled that McCain just might end up with the Republican Nomination. They can’t lose…even if he wins.

Both Dole and McCain are war heroes who are genuine patriots; however, the political system they both find themselves in is surely not patriotic. It has become a corrupted, self-serving, etc., etc. unpatriotic system that must be changed (reformed). Else, America will continue its slow and very painful decline into oblivion.

My State’s primary elections are not until April. A lot can happen between now and then. But whatever happens I will not, repeat NOT, vote for John McCain. However, come November I will not like it, I hate doing it again; but I maybe forced to vote for McCain, because he will be the lesser of the “evils” to choose from. This seems to be what our political system has come too…voting for the lesser of two evils…does not make it right or good for America! May God Continue to Bless Her! And God Bless the Troops!!!

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst…I urge you to exercise your right to V-O-T-E…else you have no right to complain!

PS – And yes, I am a Vietnam Vet


Picture
In the picture of McCain that accompanies this article there is a large red star. What is that Communist looking symbol part of? Does that star have something to do with CPAC?

Conservatives?

How many conservatives support Bush's open-borders scheme? Bush's ports deal scheme? Bush's treatment of wounded vets scheme? Bush's 2 year late surge scheme? Bush's massive spending schemes? Bush's North American Union schemes?

Most.

Where were these "I won't vote for McCain Conservatives" the past 7 years?

Too busy making money I assume... because they certainly weren't out campaigning for the cause like the rest of us.

Fair weather Conservatives?


Face It
The RNC really stands for "really not conservative." Jorge Bush should have taught us that although he at least pretended to be conservative for a while. Outside of the tax cuts and no attacks since 9/11 (blew the execution of the wars though) you would think Al Gore won the election. Bush even tried to give us an Al Gore contributer in Harriet Miers. He is no conservative either and Karl Rove is no strategist, ala 2006 elections. The big money donors want cheap labor, say illegal aliens, so the RNC wants an open borders candidate. Notice that REAL conservatives, Tancredo and Hunter got no support at the party level and were in fact opposed. The party is not conservative. It is a globalist, North American Union first organization.

mccain
you so called conseratives took the best and smartest man in the race and threw him under the bus.now you want us to back scumbag the funeral director.look what we got to pick from now the undertaker and elmer gantry.the two came together to smother mitt and you people went along it and look we got a phony senator and phony so called baptist minister with guitar and few jokes and says aw shucks i think i can be prisdent it's cord E you all.so were left with the under taker and gomer pyle i mean elmer gantry.hello democrats

The time is coming...
The time is coming for American Revolution #2. IMHO, I see no way around this.

With the major demographic changes, we can be assured that the flooding of this nation by the Third World will only increase the stampeed to socialism, banana republic government, and major ethnic and racial brawls. ("Diversity is our strength" after all.)

None of this shall be undone until the next "Tea Party" occurs. But, after the smoke clears and the blood sinks into the dirt, expect the map of the U.S. to look very different.

We did this to ourselves; we're complacent sheep and have allowed all of this to happen. Our kin in Europe are doing the same presently as well. Nothing will be learned except by the next generation that will have to do all of the fighting.

pendulum?
the swinging pendulum is is the defining imagery of the communist manifesto...how ironic that it be envoked to soothe the souls of those about to be "buried" beneathe its swirling black tide... and then there is the urging to rally behind mcain to insure, after his defeat, that the blame is fixed properly on those extremist fundamentalist evangelical bigots...will GITMO and the other "secret" prisons really go away?

Bush: Neoconservative, by Pat Buchanan
First I would like to mention I own one of your books, Patrick J. Buchanan, the title is: Where the right went wrong, how neoconservatives subverted the Reagan Revolution & Hijacked the Bush Presidency. CPAC didn't invite Ann Coulter this year, but she gave a speech in a conference room not far from where Sen. McCain gave his speech. I am rather surprised townhall even allows Pat Buchanana's columns in here, since you & CPAC had no qualms about calling Bush a neoconservative. And Juan Williams brought up an excellent point on Hannity & Colmes yesterday, "those at CPAC practically booed Sen. McCain on "illegal" immigration , where Bush took the same stance as McCain and the CPAC crowd cheers Bush on, shouting, "FOUR MORE YEARS" this is the point I have been stressing all along to those of you who have had greivances with Pres. Bush..when townhall, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity backed Bush, Catholics came in with Evangelical Christians to back a "moral principled" leader. And while Catholic Sen. Brownback endorsed McCain who has an 82.3 record with the ACU and minorities and Catholics joined up again to back Sen. McCain...the evangelical Christians pull away to back Huckabee, (Dr. James Dobson endorsed Huckabee Thursday-Huckabees stance on "illegal" immigration is NOT a ONE MAN operation and there will be compromises in Washington DC or partisans will block the reforms again and again. The Republican Party tent contains many immigrants who are here legally, I campaigned for Bush to bring in the Hispanic voters too. But to see this "political expedient" tirade soundbite attack against McCain takes me back to your book Pat Buchanan , like I said, I am surprised Townhall allows your articles after your No. 1 New York TIMES BEST SELLER called Bush a NEOCONSERVATIVE...this is why I feel the CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT SEEMS TO BE HYPOCRITICAL.

McCain can't win the general
For anyone that doubts that, look at the polling data. Democrats turned out in some cases 4-1 to vote. That's not a winning scenario, no matter how you look at it.

I'm sure the reason is that there was no one in the race to motivate the Conservative base, who supported conservative principals.

The problem with that is, the alternative is a far left wing agenda. Can we seriously live with that and a liberal dominated house and senate?

Sure, many dislike McCain, and he deserves every bit of the ill will that he gets based on his record! But, do we sit aside and allow this to happen, or do we get ourselves motivated?

Go to the polls people, not to support McCain, but with an agenda to change congress. This is our best hope to regain a conservative agenda and counter whomever the MSM puts in the white house.

Libs don't accept responsibility
SteveL:

If Clinton or Obama become president, and there is another 9/11-style or worse attack on the U.S. from Islamic terrorists, you can hold the liberals responsible all you want, but don't expect them to accept the responsibility, and don't expect the media to hold their feet to the fire about it, either. In fact, if a major Islamic terrorist attack occurs under a President Hillary Clinton or a President Barack Obama, I would fully expect the media to actively be part of a cover-up to shield their presidential administration's from as much embarassment and culpability as possible; don't be looking for a latter-day Woodward or Bernstein from the MSM on this story. I wouldn't even be surprised to see the media trot out Kristin Breitweiser and the other Jersey Girls to blame President Bush for this attack - again - even though they would be in the openly hypocritical position of blaming George Bush for an attack committed after he was out of the White House while they took a totally opposite stance toward Bill Clinton for the original 9/11. Liberals aren't liberals because they're strong on accepting personal responsibility or have a sense of shame: if there's any lesson the Bill Clinton years in the White House should have taught us about liberals, this is it. Chappaquiddick, after all, wasn't sufficient to shame Ted Kennedy enough to cause him to decide he should no longer a U.S. Senator, or the media to conclude he was unfit for the office; Gary Condit wasn't going to leave his position in the House of his own free will after Chandra Levy's disappearance.

no mccain for me
for me, the costs of having mccain as president outweigh the benefits. his reckless foreign policy just about seals it for me. i am not exactly impressed with hillary's or obama's either, but let the incoming failures hang on the necks of democrats.

SBI...
surrounded by idiots...I believe we are.

Of course McCain is going to make all sorts of empty promises. Who the hell is stupid enough to believe him?

You idiots know who you are.

Don't worry, Pat
McCain won't take any fliers in the GWOT. He’s not a strategist or a "vision" guy.

A military background doesn't confer these things. One thing 20 years in the Navy taught me is that aptitude for strategy is a rare quality that individuals are mostly born with, and military service does not instill it. Almost no one who ever serves in the military actually devises or implements strategy. In fact, many military officers mistake tactics for strategy.

Senator McCain's Navy assignments did not position him to deal with strategy at any level. This isn't a knock on him. In uniform, he focused on combat tactics and command administration. His Senate service has been of the same stripe, demonstrating his priorities for organization, regulation, procedure, and "git-r-done" compromise. His role as a "maverick" has served mainly to prevent his party from bringing issues to a head -- his Senate posture can be characterized as maneuvering for an overall homeostasis, rather than operating on a constant trajectory toward unbalanced victory.

A President McCain would no longer have the luxury of being a maverick, which requires a context defined by others. President McCain could not position himself to benefit politically from excoriating the president's tactics, in a war he nevertheless said we must win. He would BE the president. Whatever we did in Iraq or Afghanistan would be HIS tactics. Everything the press and his Senate opponents could make appear to be a failure would be HIS failure.

He would not necessarily fold under such pressures, but there is nothing in his history to suggest that he could make grand strategic ideas carry the day under them either. To do that, you have to first have the ideas. McCain is an interpolator, not an extrapolator; he will maneuver in whatever existing context he finds, rather than having a vision to change it.

Here is a good start
http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com/

The RNC
said support George W or, by gosh, we'll have Gore, and the sky will fall.

Then they said, support Gorge W or, by gosh, we'll have Kerry, and the sky will fall.

Now they are saying, support McCain or, by gosh, we'll get Billarybama, and the sky will fall.

Meanwhile, they continue to play conservatives like an old fiddle.

It has been a long time since the RNC has supported conservatives. They continue to support illegal alien slave labor, regardless of what the ignorant masses want.

A blustering bully
John McCain is practically the archetype of the Neocon: traitorous, bargaining, backstabbing, petulant, and spiteful. Add to that his volcanic temper, and you have a potential tyrant on hand.

"Dangerous" hardly begins to describe this foul-mouthed, red-faced fool.

If he wins the presidency, which is unlikely, he will destroy the Republican Party. This would be a good thing were it not for the fact he would likely destroy the whole country in the process.

I would be surprised if he doesn't self-destruct before the November elections. If, in some debate or press conference, someone willing to ask him the hard questions gets under his skin, we are likely to see the real John McCain explode in the temper tantrum. That, thankfully, will put an end to this creep's political career.

McCain and Global Warming
This is from 2/4/08 Forbes:

"The chairman of Australia's Carbon Sense Coalition, Mr Viv Forbes, said that many groups and individuals in Australia and New Zealand had listened with alarm and disbelief to plans of both governments to saddle their people and industries with the burdens of carbon taxes and the risks of carbon trading which he described as 'an open invitation to massive fraud'."

McCain -- perhaps we are going to have to vote for him, it surely would be easier with a real conservative running mate.

But see the above quote. McCain might end up being every bit the ENEMY of business that the Left is, what with the global warming nonsense BS. The weakest part of our population will pay the price for increased govt. intervention. So maybe I should just stay home on Election Day, since we can get this garbage from Obama or Hillary under more honest pretenses (i.e., at least they admit they are liberal, unlike McCain). Toughest call in years.

John M Dangerous?
With his temper, his advanced age, and his apparent hatred of the conservative constituancy he is a scary person to have with his finger near a red nuclear missle button. Maybe, maybe not, but I'm afraid we will be left with two equally bad alternatives in November. That, coupled with a once great country now rotting out culturally, religiously, and economically, is a sobering thought.

Principled Conservatives
I am a Republican of 45 years - longer than the "conservative movement" I keep reading the "principled" conservative statements and it has become very clear that Lincoln wouldn't have been conservative enough for you. In fact, nobody is - you haven't backed anyone; only complained about everyone and, now, the Republican nominee. I am a Republican. I will vote Republican. Either you are a Republican or your not. It is just that simple.

Ph.D., J.D.
Saturday, February, 09, 2008 1:18 PM
McCain and Global Warming
So maybe I should just stay home on Election Day, since we can get this garbage from Obama or Hillary under more honest pretenses (i.e., at least they admit they are liberal, unlike McCain). Toughest call in years.

Staying home is absolutely the wrong thing to do.
There will be many other checkboxes to fill out other than President.

Do your duty and vote, but be mindful of your local representatives and initiatives. We can make a difference!

strange, unsatisfying electoral process
Our electoral process is disconcerting and limiting; if you cannot raise a lot of $, you cannot prevail. The system often allows voting mischief (crossover voting). Most listen too much to prevailing wisdom: the "major candidates." Oddly, we are down to 3 sitting senators-- we have elected only 2 EVER; we normally send someone from "outside Washington." Though many initially ran as Repub., only a few had a real chance given the system. What initially derailed McAmnesty WAS amnesty, yet he ends up the nominee! Many who voted for him in a divided field cited "electability" because that's what they HEARD on TV. Thus, in their zeal to stop Shrillary, they chose a guy whose values they did not like (after they put lipstick on that pig)! WHY?!

Because he SAID he would build the wall, and artfully spooked them with fears of terrorism... that is an disingenuous false promise and fear of nothing really to fear. The REAL threat to America is flooding across the damm border, and Amnesty Juan WELCOMES THEM! Like Presidente Jorge Bush, he made a faustian deal for Hispanic support, but half of the LEGAL Hispanics voted for tough new sanctions AGAINST ILLEGALS in Az.! Guess what-- those tough new laws took effect Jan. 1, and ILLEGALS are packing up and going back to Mexico! The message we send to ILLEGALS is CRITICAL! Today's modern service economy NEEDS EDUCATED, skilled LEGAL immigrants, NOT the tsunami of welfare-seekers-in-waiting from the south. They permeate social pathologies like a cancer, inexorably destroying the host. The left will make them voters long B4 they are citizens, and we will morph ineluctably into a monster entitlement welfare state and third world barrio; they will bring their myriad relatives in, and make us precisely what they have tried to flee from.

go vote, even if not for POTUS
While Amnesty John will rightly go down in flames, we MUST ALSO think about electing true conservatives (not RINO's like Presidente Jorge Bush and Amnesty Juan McVain) to Congress and to state level positions. Things went fairly well under Slick Willie BECAUSE Republicans in Congress made them so (welfare reform, balanced budgets, crime control. Shrillary or Hussein can be stopped from their worst socialist goals.

The open border/embrace ILLEGAL alien amigos, RINO and profligate spending types have sullied the Republican brand, but we need to correct the course and rally behind someone for 4 years from now.

From Michelle Malkin (cogent and sagacious here):
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"Some on the right advise their readers and listeners to vote Democrat or sit home. My advice is exactly the opposite: Get off the couch and walk the walk for conservative candidates and officeholders who need all the help they can get defending free markets, free minds and secure borders -- no matter who takes the White House in November."

I stated on one of these threads
That I would never vote for John McCain...

I was wrong. I will vote for him, I will donate to his campaign and I will do all I can to get him elected.

My reason.. SCOTUS

everything else is secondary.

my dear paolo
Sir,
Does it occur to you, in this freaked out era we live in, that a President who wears pants and stands up like a man is good news ? I don't mean Hillary, either.

McCain is a throwback to the Greatest Generation (thenk yew Tom Brokeback) in the spirit of Geo S. Patton. I admire that spirit, and so does most of the conservative wing of our party; that part that can concentrate on the present threat to our country. Which means the jihadists and their encroaching Imams, in our very midst.

If you prefer men who are afraid to raise their voices without a permit from the city, vote for a Democrat wuss. Vote for a Code Pink bottom feeder from Berkeley.

For my part, I would love to see President John McCain arrive at his oval office desk next year with two pearl-handled sixguns strapped on his belt. (Actually, he ought to have a jar of Jellie Bellies on that desk as well.)

If Hilliarobama Gets elected
Then don't b***ch when we get more decisions like Kelo, Roe V Wade, and more "Penumbra" of rights, or or " living, breathing" constitutions. so dont complain if you wake up and find out the 2nd amendment doesnt apply to you anymore, and that the 1st amendment is only for "approved" journalists.

People, it is not just about us...if we lose the White House, it will take 50 years to undo the damage, if it can be undone at all. my children have inherited a world that I would not have recognized if I just woke up, had I been in a coma since I was 18. The changes has not been for the good.

Take back the schools, the universities, the media, get involved!!

It all starts with you..

accordingly, to Lodestar
You are, Sir (or Madam)
A very troublesome type of skin disease on the body politic. Misinformed, mean-spirited and full of spite. Thank GOD ! yours is NOT the American majority !

Because everything you say is out of rash judgment, we can tolerate your freedom of speech. But let no one ever entertain the notion that you are a thinking man, or a woman giving good counsel.

When you've played out your single vote on whatever pleases you, or sat out the November election, return to Townhall to annoy other readers with that claptrap of yours. You and Bill Maher are good for some laughs, as long as you remain powerless.

Response to Krystalbird
I do trust in the Lord regardless of who is in the White house. I just refuse to reward McCain for his actions:
McCain-Feingold
Keating Five
McCain-Kennedy
Gang of 14 etc.
It would not surprise me to see him pick Kennedy, Feingold or some other left winger as his running mate. He seems to join them more than Republicans.

reply to: mutty the tanker
Agree that SCOTUS is more important than most imagine (justices are around far longer than a POTUS, and have more impact on social issues) but here again McAmnesty is suspect. Amnesty John thought that Alito was questionable for "wearing his conservatism on his sleeve." We certainly do NOT have to worry about open border RINO Juan McAmnesty doing that! He is too busy crossing the aisle to buddy up with Teddy and Feingold, and fellow neoCONS like Zionist Lieberman, who never met a country he would not have us invade for Israel!

I envision McAmnesty giving us Hispanic court appointments or other PC aberrational visions, selected by his "outreach" advisor Smilin' Juan Hernandez... like perhaps another David Souter (courtesy RINO daddy Bush).

Be careful what you ask for-- you just might get it... in the derriere.

Military mom
I agree.

Faux conservatives gorged like pigs, snouts in the trough, on the slop served up by Rush Limbaugh.

Rush idolized Bush, especially on Iraq; and where Bush and McCain held identical views(lack of border enforcement, support for "No Child Left Behind"), Limbaugh slobbered all over himself in excoriating McCain, while turning a blind eye to Bush for holding the same views.

Hypocrisy is overwhelming.

Pat Buchanan is right. Bush "chug-a-lugged" the noxious neocon brew soon after 9/11, which manifested itself in the decision to attack Iraq.

Since that campaign went so badly, the neocons are on the run, on the defensive.

What bothers me about McCain is he seems to advocate resuscitating this disastrous neocon foreign policy, characterized by wars without end, rattling the cage of the Russians, and generally arrogating unto ourselves the right to preemptively attack any nation, whether it attacks us first or not.

I want to vote for him, if for no other reason than to keep Hillary out of the whitehouse, but his recent comments on foreign policy are troubling.


tell us something, jerabooab
Maybe I don't understand your drift. Let's hear you define a "Neocon" and what do "Neocons" do in our political arena ?

Republican party is already destroyed
>Paolo writes: 1:17 PM
>If he wins the presidency, which is unlikely,
>he will destroy the Republican Party.

That is a stupid ridiculous thing to say. the GOP is already destroyed by George W Bush and the GOP congress for the last 12 years. The people voted in Nov '06 and '08 will be the same.


>Standshisground writes: 12:02 PM
>Libs don't accept responsibility: If Clinton
>or Obama become president, don't expect them to
>accept the responsibility."

You are kidding right. Bush: WMD's, Iraq (Haditha-Abu Grab, 4000 dead, 25k wounded, $1.5 Tril), Katrina, mission accomplished; Cheney: shoots a man drunk, Valerie Plame, greeted as liberators; Libby: convicted felon and liar; Condi Rice: Let 9/11 happen; Gonzalez: "I don't remember" (50 times); Karl Rove: What emails?; Rumsfeld: won't last 6 months, No planning, no armor, no clue; Mark Foley: We didn't know (he's a boy pedophile); No bid contractors: No accountability; CIA: What ever you want to hear; TelComs: Dom. wiretap.

WHO THE HELL IS TAKING RESPONSIBILITY? Idiotic.

Reagan gave Amnesty to 5 mil illegals
>gf writes: 1:02 PM
>The RNC continue to support illegal alien slave
>labor, regardless of what the ignorant masses
>want.

Right on, and Ronald Reagan gave Amnesty to 5 million illegal aliens in 1986! George H Bush raised taxes. People should stop worshipping a PARTY or ideology. Nazism was a "movement" & Hitler got every one in lock step. He got a lot done with that. Get your priorities in-line God, Country, Family and than politics. Speak out and debate and questioning the Gov is GOOD. "I was only following orders", right.


>Jackie writes: 1:29 PM
>I am a Republican of 45 years - longer than
>the "conservative movement"...Lincoln wouldn't
>have been conservative enough for you. Either
>you are a Republican or your not. It is just
>that simple.

Great write up; All you hear now is "your not conservative enough" or "your Liberal!" as a N-word or 4-letter word, FEAR MONGERING and demagoguery. Conservative means LOCK STEP with an agenda for power. +1/2 the American People are Dem or left leaning. So "conservatives" hate America? This no compromise ridged fundamentalism extream BS is what people are tired of. GET A CLUE. I love Laura Ingraham and Nut Gingrich on fox news "the factor", kissing each others ***, commenting how they are the true conservatives. I threw up a little in my mouth. The Neo-Con GOP conservatives hate democracy and the fact PEOPLE vote and have power. When they don't vote as they like, they call Americans traitors. Nice!

Reagan gave Amnesty to 5 mil illegals
>gf writes: 1:02 PM
>The RNC continue to support illegal alien slave
>labor, regardless of what the ignorant masses
>want.

Right on, and Ronald Reagan gave Amnesty to 5 million illegal aliens in 1986! George H Bush raised taxes. People should stop worshipping a PARTY or ideology. Nazism was a "movement" & Hitler got every one in lock step. He got a lot done with that. Get your priorities in-line God, Country, Family and than politics. Speak out and debate and questioning the Gov is GOOD. "I was only following orders", right.


>Jackie writes: 1:29 PM
>I am a Republican of 45 years - longer than
>the "conservative movement"...Lincoln wouldn't
>have been conservative enough for you. Either
>you are a Republican or your not. It is just
>that simple.

Great write up; All you hear now is "your not conservative enough" or "your Liberal!" as a N-word or 4-letter word, FEAR MONGERING and demagoguery. Conservative means LOCK STEP with an agenda for power. +1/2 the American People are Dem or left leaning. So "conservatives" hate America? This no compromise ridged fundamentalism extream BS is what people are tired of. GET A CLUE. I love Laura Ingraham and Nut Gingrich on fox news "the factor", kissing each others ***, commenting how they are the true conservatives. I threw up a little in my mouth. The Neo-Con GOP conservatives hate democracy and the fact PEOPLE vote and have power. When they don't vote as they like, they call Americans traitors. Nice!

John McCain
"Sometimes party loyalty asks too much." I live in Arizona where McCain has ignored and angered me.

I will not give him my vote.

reply to: dreadnaught (?)
re:
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accordingly, to Lodestar
You are, Sir (or Madam)
A very troublesome type of skin disease on the body politic. Misinformed, mean-spirited and full of spite. Thank GOD ! yours is NOT the American majority !
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For some reason I cannot readily fathom, you have dogged me here of late with ad hominem drivel. I really am not sure what your angle is, other than you seem perhaps to envision McAmnesty as a tough guy hero in the Reagan mode. I worked for Reagan (in both campaigns for POTUS); he was a friend of mine-- Amnesty John is NO Ronald Reagan! McAmnesty prides himself on poking his wagging, gadfly/iconoclastic into the eyes of real conservatives. As for his military experience, close scrutiny reveals a miscreant, string-pulling loose cannon on deck.

You mention a fear of jihadists in a vacuous post... have you noticed that the FBI says our main threat there is the ILLEGAL tsunami coming across our border and overstaying visas? That the perps of 9/11 were NOT from Iraq, but they WERE here ILLEGALLY. Hmmm. Your boy Juan McAmnesty FAVORS that wide open border. He opposes "the damm fence" and enforcement of existing laws about who should be allowed to remain VISITING in our sovereign nation. He has CHOSEN ethnocentric/racist Smilin' Juan Hernandez to advise him on how we can do more for ILLEGALS than just give them S.S. and welfare. Yessir, we need a "tough guy" like that back in the W.H.! A RINO, open border, chicken hawk Presidente Jorge redux! I know I will feel safer!

dreadnaught
Neocons arose from disaffected leftist democrats who, beginning in the 1970s, began to defect from the democrat party over the foreign policy planks of the McGovern and later Carter wings. They were unhappy over the party's stance toward the USSR, and also because they felt the party was not sufficiently anti-Palestinian.

Among original neocons were Norman Podhoretz, Irving Kristol(father of Bill Kristol of Fox News and Weekly Standard. In fact, Irving Kristol was a former communist, a Trotskite.

Many neocons today are not former democrats, and perhaps not even former leftists, but the movement itself was formed by leftists.

Neocons today usually support preemptive attacks against any nation, whether that nation attacked us or not. Iraq is the obvious example. Iran is another, altho Iran supposedly provides weapons to Iraqis and others who attack our forces.

Neocons also favor placing missile batteries on Russia's borders, and the argument they are only defensive is silly. Would we allow Russia to place defensive missile batteries in Mexico?

Some "poor unfortunates", too ignorant to know any better, equate being anti Israeli government policy, with being anti-semitic, and the feeble argument of some who condemn the neocons is based on that...that attacking the neocons is tantamount to being anti semitic, as if the U.S. and Israeli foreign policy are the same.

They ain't. Nor should they be. We are two separate nations. Friends, fine, but our interests do not always merge.

Illegal immigration - the silent war!
McCain has been a resident of Arizona for 27 YEARS. In that time, many thousands of illegal immigrants have poured across the Mexican borderinto the U.S.; infiltrating through Nogales, to Tucson, NORTH through Casa Grande, Mesa, Phoenix, all the way to Flagstaff, Page and into Utah. Wave after wave of illegals sneak WEST through Gila Bend, to Yuma, and into California. Regiments of illegals skulk EASTward through Tombstone, Wilcox, and Safford into New Mexico. They evade the law through every means imaginable and ignore the law. (Type in Chandler AZ rapist on a search engine and see what comes up!!) Illegals continue to surge into McCain’s home state. They are on the march and infiltrating our country enmasse.

Where has John McCain been for the last 27 years? Arizona has been pleading for years for John McCain to do something about this invasion.
With an eye on the election, he attempted to push through legislation that offered AMNESTY to these criminals, along with NO FENCE at the border. He is pandering for the Hispanic vote. He is not listening to his fellow Arizonians, nor the Republican Party, nor the majority of Americans. McCain ACTS when it benefits McCain.

Illegal immigrant gangs are terorizing our communities, hospitals are closing because of the massive expenditures caring for illegal immigrants, border states are in the red because of welfare expenditures for these illegals. Most of the jobs in the border states require being bilingual - English AND Spanish. It's nuts!

LEGAL immigration builds our nation. Illegal immigration is destroying our nation.


How Bad?
Those of you willing to vote for McCain, how bad must be the nominee before you are unwilling to support him? Or is all that matters to you that they call themself a Republican? How or why do you expect your supporting and electing a liberal nominee (McCain) will advance the future prospects of the Party?

It's called insanity; continuing to do the same thing over and over, but, expecting a different result.

the President
only nominates SCOTUS, Congress is allowed to yes/no him/her, it's vital that we elect as many Republicans to House/Senate as possible, that way, no matter who's President we can block/stop any Liberal SCOTUS. Secondly, who McCain picks as VP is very Important given his age and the tie-breaker VP vote!

The Third World
trevor:

You understand the term "Third World" is outdated--by at least 17 years or so? There ain't no Second World anymore--it imploded around 1989 or so. Be like saying "We need to do something about the Ottomon Empire."

The term you are grasping for is "the developing world." The correct term for these countries is "Less Developed Country (LDC) or "Less Economically Developed Country" (LEDC). Even so, Mexico wouldn't be considered a Third World Country even using that term, but rather a NIC (Newly Industralized Country) such as Taiwan, the ROK, Singapore and Hong Kong were in the 1970s and 1980s. New NICs include Mexico, Brazil, the Philippines, South Africa, Malaysia, and China. There is debate among experts of development as to the state of the old NICs--some see them still as NICs and others as fully developed (like the US and western Europe, etc).

Also, legal immigrants take less services than natives do and often contribute more. Mexicans make up over 50% of illegals and Latin Americans make up close to 80% of illegals--because you can't walk from China or Nigeria.

McCain is NOT INEVITABLE
You need not decide now to support this nasty, angry, bitter, tyrannical little man who wants to be King! We defeated his immigration bomb last year, we can force the RNC to find an alternative!
He has not changed his mind; he is only waiting eagerly for the power in order to prevent enforcement of laws, open the borders and let the world walk in to bankrupt our treasury with medical care, education, welfare, etc. In four years, we will no longer have the US as it now exists- we must stop him NOW!

Do you want to live the next four years mounting the same huge effort as we did on immigration, to keep him from doing everything he would want to do? Fight now! You cannot believe a word McCain says to get elected. Don't meekly accept- refuse what the RNC is shoving at us.

In states yet to vote, votes could all be sent to Huck (not my choice either) only to keep McCain from getting the max needed. And in coming months, make it clear McCain is out and we DEMAND an alternative, a true conservative, to rise at the convention.

God can derail McCain anytime in any way; no one is promised tomorrow. Anything can happen in 9 months, even the birth of a new conservative candidate.

We loose indeed!!
"But if we do not work together, we lose the presidency."

That's right big Johnny and we conservatives are perfectly willing to loose it because we wouldn't have it even if you were elected. There isn't 2 cents difference between you and any democrat anyway.

Here is news to the country club rockafella wing of the republican party, you can't win without us and we ARE NOT going to settle for any more watered down consewrvatives. We've had enough with the two Bush's and we ARE NOT Going to do it anymore. Hide and watch in November.

VOTE RON PAUL
It looks like McCain will get the nomination, not because he enjoyed widespread support, but because the voting system is hopelessly corrupted. Anyone who doubts this should look up the results of the re-count in New Hampshire. The fox is guarding the henhouse and our votes are no longer counted at all. We have already lost our democracy, if we let the elite in the media and the establishment get away with this.

I believe that votes were taken from avery other candidate and given to McCain, else why the public outcry, and where are his actual supporters in the party? Look at the political blogs, filled with anguished promises from voters that never will they support this imposter.

Please vote for Ron Paul and do not succomb to despair. If you don't insist on doing the right thing now, you will not have a choice ever again. If you are true to the cause of liberty, God will redeem our hope.

Deja Vu 1976
McCain will have the nomination, but he will not win because he will not have the core passionate Republican who will man phone banks, knock on doors, mail fliers, engage undecideds with conviction, donate money, etc.

This country vomited out of its system Jimmy Carter for double digit inflation and interest rates. It will get very sick under Hillary or Obama and if it is not terminal, will again puke out the liberal agenda. Romney/Tancredo will have more respect in 2012.

McQuack, I don't care
If you take a pen, stab it into your heart, and write your promises in blood. I do NOT believe you would be any different than obam and billary. And from your past voting record, and doing your utmost to PO the base, I am right in more than one way!

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
Write in a name folks, it is still a free country!

If you don't vote for McCain
or the Rep. nominee, you may as well stab the pen in your own heart.

lodestar
I agree, McCain is not my first choice, but given what is for sure on the other side, really do you want to take that chance? Ginsberg, and a couple other very liberal justices may be retiring, we have worked for the past 30 years trying to get the court on our side, we just have to hold firm this one more time... I would rather take a chance with Mccain, and his potential choices,then with Hellary or OBLAMA. Dont forget, we got Ginsberg with a republican senate.. if I am not mistaken.

One thing republicans need to learn, we have to fight as dirty as the demoncrats.

I'll vote for the Republican nominee
IF he's a REAL Conservative. At this point that would make his name Willard Mitt Romney.
If McCain picks him for Veep, then MAYBE I'll vote for them.

But McCain on his own, or with Huckabigot, NEVER!!

Is the Conservative Movement Dead?
This was a very interesting comment on the PP by Indy!

PP-Obama will clean the GOP’s clock and folks like Limbaugh and Chelf know it, that is why they want Hillary.

Being anti-Hillary is all y’all partisan GOP types have, for your miserable candidates and incumbents abandoned conservatism and party principles a long time ago.

The way this has developed is purely hilarious for us, the Independents. The Dems are voting in off-the-chart numbers, buoyed by US who have jetisoned YOU and the destroyers of America whom you so blindly support.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/is-the-conservativ e-movement-dead

Different Speech
You all must have heard a different speech than I.

Not once did I hear him admit he had be wrong.

Not once did I hear him say he'd had an epiphany and had come around to our way of thinking.

He STILL, right in his CPAC speech, dismissed immigration enforcement as something to be gotten out of the way so that he could work on the rest of it... as if there was anything more to be done once the border is sealed and means are in place to punish employers and kick illegals out of the country.

Sorry, Pat. My irrelevant vote is not going to McCain, and I'm not gullible enough to believe that fink has changed a bit.

roadmaster
"Don't sit this one out. Be an adult and play with the cards you've been dealt. Together we can make a difference."

An adult knows, after being dealt 3 losing hands in a row, to walk away from the table. Find another game.


What's the differnce
between Obama & McCain? Not much if you look at their records. They both voted against the Bush tax cuts, opposed Samuel Alito, are pro-amnesty, anti-waterboarding, pro-choice, won't protect marriage, & won't drill for oil in the US. Why not just admit that there are very few differences between them & flip a coin?

Agreed
Mr. Buchanan, I totally agree with you on this one that the answer is "No." McCain neither deserves to be elected, nor will he be better for the country.

There is no evidence that McCain will do anything other than act like a complete liberal, only he will be in a better position to destroy our country than Hillary. It's not about going with who is in your party; it is about doing what is best FOR THE LONG RUN. I understand a lot of people are afraid, but if we are honest with ourselves, in the long run, we are better to sit this one out or vote for someone else than vote for McCain. We should work on sorting out our fundamental beliefs and strategies for the next election, not trying to salvage the rotten remnants of the Republican Party for this one.

Brothers McCain & Bush
Great point! Bush was and is for opened borders, and amnesty to boot. So is McCain. If Bush was OK then, McCain is perfect NOW! This November, vote for McBush!

Dreadnaught
Dreadnaught whines: "You are, Sir (or Madam) A very troublesome type of skin disease on the body politic. Misinformed, mean-spirited and full of spite. Thank GOD ! yours is NOT the American majority!"

Bob_C writes:
You, sir, are VERY mistaken. The vast majority of the American electorate are ignorant, misinformed louts who know little about their government or the halfwits they vote for, but think that they are qualified to vote for a leader who'll steer this country for the next four years. Their sole source of information is the MSM and their sole reason for voting for a candidate is,for most is the letter which is positioned after their candidate's name (D or R).

Ask any of your fellow louts around you if they have any inkling of the records of the fools they're going to vote for. They'll stare at you. If you carefully explain their records, they won't care.

They're political idiots and they have neither the gumption nor the bravery to take into consideration anything other than party affilliation.

I don't trust McCain 1 little bit....
I don't trust McCain 1 little bit....
But I trust Obama and especially, Hillary a lot less.
I could not look myself in the mirror thinking I did anything at all to help Obama or especially that loathesome witch to get back into the White House.
Its sad that this is another case where I will have to hold my nose while voting for McCain.
But, unfortunately, thats the hand we have been dealt.

MCain, man of principles
Oh, so true! McCain has not changed his mind at all! After all, he is a man of principles and therefore he will NOT change but he expects the rest of you peasants to walk away from your principles and vote for him! Peasants, you have been given your orders---vote for McCain this November!

roadmaster writes:
Saturday, February, 09, 2008 7:04 AM
Hey, disgruntled fellow cons,
how did withholding your vote in '06 work out us conservatives? We sure showed those deaf and dumb repubbies, huh? Sent them packing and allowed the loonies like Reid and Pelosi control of the Congress. Yesterday Rush played a tape of himself before the 2006 election, describing what would happen if conservatives went ahead with their little snit fit and sat it out. He was exactly correct.

Get over it! It is what it is and the McCain train will either chug into the station with us on it, or else be derailed, putting our policies in the ditch for the next 50 years while we stood idly by. Yeah, that'll sure show them. Refusing to vote for McCain (how I dislike him, let me count the ways) is not just cutting off your nose to spite your face - it's more like cutting off your head because you have big, nasty pimple on your chin.

Personally I'm working to unseat every liberal politician on my ballot. Our ONLY strategy is to put enough conservatives in office to block liberal idiocy of WHOEVER is President.

We can either work from inside the party OR will be standing outside, watching with disgust through the window at the goings on, utterly helpless and totally excluded.

Don't give up, do what Reagan did-keeping fighting for what you believe and remember which candidate Al Quaida will endorse - it dam sure won't be McCain.
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I agree completely! VOTE IN NOVEMBER - AND VOTE IN CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS! DO NOT SIT HOME - it didn't work in 2006 and certainly won't work in 2008! We MUST NOT allow the Democrats to remain in the majority, no matter who is elected president!

I think we are all missing
one important factor - John McCain has NOT won the necessary number of delegates yet! A brokered convention may just be awaiting Republicans in a few months! The fat lady has NOT sung yet!

Party Affiliation vs. Principles
True! Party affiliation seems to trump principles in the minds of large chunk of voters. Luckily party affiliation has had no impact on McCain---he has voted against the party for he is a man of principles, and HIS principles trump party affiliation and the desires of the voters.

Stop demanding that McCain change! A man of principles cannot bow to the whims of the voters!

McCain is a leader. Opened borders and amnesty is part of what guides McCain, and the nation should follow his lead!

shred of sense
I'm glad to see there are at least a few people, ( Mutty the Tanker, TruLib, Highlander and esp. JetPilot), here that see the idiocy of seeing Hillary or Obama win the presidency instead of voting for McCain. You will NEVER have a chance of getting conservative court nomonees if either of the Dems are elected president...especially with a democratic congress. WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE THINKING!? Shame on any republican for even suggesting that Hillary would be better than McCain. Stop being babies and stay involved.

sorry, dropped out awhile
So sorry. I lost my DSL for a few hours; and now must post in reply to a couple of earlier contibutors. I hope they'll know from my words who I'm talking to. One is Bob C; no problem. I think Jeraboam is the name of the other.

Jeraboaom; NEOCON was pointed out by many in earlier media analysis as the code word for JEWS who exert influence in our gov't. You may not acknowledge it; it's a fact. (You left out Wolfowitzc). You must know by now; people like our doughty conservative of past fame, Mr. Buchanan, had it in for an "Amen corner" in our Congress who serve the Israeli lobby in our country. But why not be honest about the little game played in this court of public opinion? The ones who started the NEOCOM argument are anti-semitic newsmen and politicians who know very well they must keep it all under the public's radar. Learn, my friends, to discern what are the motives behind those rotten labels !

Confronting Bob C :
Dear Bob,
I have not WHINED, whatever you mot think. I only gave THANKS to God. That our people don't all respond viscerally to the kind of hatreds and errors your kind peddle. By your cynical and clueless statement here--->

[Most of the American voters] know little about their government or the halfwits they vote for, but think that they are qualified to vote for a leader who'll steer this country for the next four years. Their sole source of information is the MSM and their sole reason for voting for a candidate is, for most is the letter which is positioned after their candidate's name (D or R)."

Leads any reasonable person to the conclusion that YOU are an elitist; unable to make a mistake, scornful of the capacity of others to judge what's important for our country.

This was exactly the arrogant attitude of Lenin, Stalin, and the other Bolsheviks who stole power from their peoples in the beginning of the past century. They considered ALL people in the WORLD !slaves, repulsive and only fit for eating a bread crumb in return for their slavish approval of their "leadership".

I spit on your crude opinion of the American people. You need US; we don't need you.


Too Late For The Republican Party
The likes of John McCain and Chuck Hagel drove me from the Republican years ago, nothing could induce me to return. As a now registered Independent I will vote for whichever third party candidate that is the anthesis of the fascistic and socialistic nominees of either of the two national parties.

Pat makes afew good points, but..

..it appears to me that he would insure a Demonmcrat victory in 2012. He would be hated by far too many for being a war president a la Jorge Bush to probably come even close to winning this next election much less the following one, and imagine this dear sweet bum with an apparent IQ lower than Donald Duck being president from now at the ripe old age of 72 when sworn in and 76 going on 80 in a second term.

The whole thing stinks to high heaven. Virginia Patriot said it best. Write in any other candidate or any party other than Dem and Repub for president and then switch as you have done before and vote for a Repub or a Dem if he looks conservative.

I will not vote for John McShame.


Free Americans, get off your duff
McCain is NOT INEVITABLE! We defeated his shamnesty and we can do it again! DEMAND another choice, DO NOT give him one more vote in the primaries, in states which haven't yet voted. If he doesn't get enough delegates this spring, we could see a true conservative rise before the convention.
Have you forgotten that he holds you in contempt- he thinks you are dumb and will swallow all of his lies while campaigning. If he gets the power, you will see the real tyrant/dictator come forth.

The USA fought a revolution for freedom from one king/tyrant, I'm not about to vote for another!

FREE PEOPLE can DEMAND an alternative- do it!

McCain Derrangement Syndrome
Here we are judging McCain? Have you forgotten the fridge Republican who wrote this article?
Pat Buchanan is an isolationist Republican who hates our countries support of Israel. I'm surprised anyone bothers to respond to his dribble. The most votes this man ever recieved were from old Floridians (probably Jewish) who accidently voted for him because they couldn't
figure out their ballot. Well it's nice to know that the Dems are not the only party with their fair share of nut cases. Grow up Republicans!
It's about national security, the courts, and right to life. I held my nose and voted for Bush because all you establishment nimbies said he was our guy. Now your bashing McCain for supporting the very president the conservatives had to have. Just shut up already!

dreadnaught

How can you be so right and so wrong.??.

Some neocons are Jewish defenders, not all, but they are upstart neo conservatives who only wished to build on the base R Reagan, God and our forefathers gave us, ie., bringing us to our senses and acting like we knew what a republic is while also diverting national policy to "other ends by other means".

John McShame is an obvious neocon as are many more, but Jewish not. It's a whole new game now and the "end game" is probably past your present ability to see it.

As you said to BobC, you don't see the big picture. Well, you aren't supposed to see a shell game well played.


Junebug..........

.......isn't that the little fellow we hear on hot night spinning his wheels and trying to catch someones attention.??. You sound like a whiner, sorry but you do. Or are we really supposed to "just shut up already".??. Don't hold your breath.

We are not prejudging this sham or shame of a Republican. He has made his bed and we don't think anything will change him. You can be sure nothing except his passage from this earth to darker regions is apt to affect his behavior.

Now be quiet and listen while also putting facts together or are you to liberal to do that.??.




Who's the lesser of 2 evils?
Once again, we're left with the question, which of the terrible candidates run by the 2 parties is the slightly lesser of 2 great evils? Americans need to get over the idea that they can get good government by voting for a lesser of 2 evils. It's impossible. That's why I'll vote Libertarian again this election.

But Buchanan asks a great question: "Would it better serve the causes in which conservatives believe to have McCain in the White House or to have Clinton there?"

Another way to phrase that question is: Is it better to have Hillary push her authoritarian agenda on American against Republican opposition, or is it better to have McCain push his slightly less authoritarian agenda on us with no opposition?

The answer is to vote Libertarian.

Dreadnaught
Dreadnaught Screams: "Leads any reasonable person to the conclusion that YOU are an elitist; unable to make a mistake, scornful of the capacity of others to judge what's important for our country."

I love it! I'M an elitist because I expect my fellow voters to understand the issues and vote for a person instead of a hairdo, or for some nitwit spouting buzzwords and lame promises?

Because I expect my fellow citizens to make judgements on KNOWLEDGE and not because they "like" somebody they may have seen on the nitwitness news, or simply because they have a D or R after their name, you liken me to Stalin? That's a bit harsh don't you think?

With a vote comes RESPONSIBILITY, not expectations of more government largess.

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=319

http://www.trythinking.net


McCain an the Media; Isolationism Pat?
The most powerful case against McCain is that, put brutally, he is not to be trusted.

Many on the right believe that if he wins, he will have no further need of conservatives and will revert to the McCain of McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy and McCain-Lieberman, the John McCain of the Gang of 14, who will never nominate justices like Sam Alito, because that would alienate his true constituency, the media, who are at his feet every time he undermines the conservative cause.

Lloyd Sez: Yup! That is the issue! And can we even trust him re: victory in Iraq and the War on Terror. . . why not get together with Teddy on that too?

There is another consideration. McCain has said he will stay in Iraq another 100 years if necessary, that Russia should be thrown out of the G-8, that he will do whatever it takes to halt Iran's nuclear enrichment program. He has told us: "There's going to be other wars. ... I'm sorry to tell you, there's going to be other wars. We will never surrender, but there will be other wars."

John McCain seeks to be a war president. Indeed, it is the role of commander in chief of a nation at war that seems to commend itself most to John McCain. But is that good for America, let alone the right?

Lloyd sez: Yes, assuming McCain is not ready to sell-out to the liberal Media on this one, is US Internationalism (Imperialism) a good idea? If the the history of the US since the Spanish American war could be re-done I'd be with Pat and America First! But, it is too late. At this point we must press for VICTORIOUS American Imperialism. . . too late to back out.

Lloyd Miller
A-albionic Research a-albionic.com

Bush = McCain?
I do believe the Conservative Movement made a big mistake in restraining its criticism of Bush. The criticism was there, but TOO MUTED. For instance, Rush criticized Bush from the beginning, demuring on "compasionate" conservatism as an implicit attack on conservatism itself! CORRECT! But, like for the rest of us, it was difficult to go after the President with gusto when the LEFT was boiling with Bush derangement INSANITY! There are no easy answers to such IMBROGLIOS!

Lloyd Miller
Research Director, A-albionic a-albionic.com

semper fi, onceamarine
Thanks for your input;

"How can you be so right and so wrong.??
Some neocons are Jewish defenders, not all, but they are upstart neo conservatives who only wished to build on the base R Reagan, God and our forefathers gave us, ie., bringing us to our senses,"

To a point here, you say something I have to agree with. I on;ly stated Neocon in fact started out to denote various Republicans close to Bush Sr.'s administration William Kristol, Wolfowicz, a number of others whose names don't come to mind here. Neocon was the code word then.

It has subsequently become a pejorative used by anti-Bush nit-pickers and Right-wingers unable to cope with those who play fast & loose with their so-called base.

Far from being a code word now; it is simply misappropriated by many who have a poor command of English. These are the loquacious but unremarkable rank and file Bush-haters everywhere.

Only my 2 cts; I don't dispute it.

McCain PROMISED amnesty at CPAC
Pat, Pat, Pat...

Didn't you listen to McCain's speech? He promised amnesty, he basicly said he disagreed with conservative, American views yet would push his agenda anyway.

That speech was not a "I'm sorry, I renounce amnesty" speech, it was his promise to push amnesty after "securing the border". Bush believes he secured the border too! McCain refused to promise building a 2,000 mile fence, the ONLY way to secure the border.

McCain had the opportunity at CPAC to promise to never push amnesty. If he won't promise that to 6,000 CPAC attendees, he'll never do it later.

After 4 years of McCain, we will have McCain's 100+ million immigrant amnesty bill passes (Google "Robert Rector" for the real facts on amnesty). And the GOP will go along with him and the 2010 elections will be a disaster for the GOP.

Once amnesty brings in the 100+ million family members there will never again be a time when Americans have a majority to elect any GOP candidates to Congress, the Senate or the Presidency. 100 million immigrants will destroy America. Imagine a million immigrants in EVERY city, a thousand in EVERY town. 3rd-world style overpopulation.

During a Hillary/Obama presidency, the GOP may act like an opposition party and actually oppose amnesty and everything else. That's the bigger picture!


Well I'm convinced
After reading the multitude of insulting comments by the liberal McCainiacs on behalf of their Trojan horse hero, it sure makes sense for me to feel warm and fuzzy about the "rapprochement". If you guys care so much about our vote and it is so important, why did you stand by and watch as the RNC rigged the primaries so that non-Republicans get to nominate your candidate? As a conservative, I don't see that as my problem but yours. After being a Republican from 1980 to 2006, I no longer care whether a Republican occupies the White House, certainly not this one. I will not be voting for him but if anyone is interested, I explain what a conservative victory would look like in November at my blog today. Nothing weird but if you're a conservative, you'll probably feel better about things. We are, after all, winning. If you don't think so, you just aren't thinking straight.

Manchurian candidate
That is what McAmnesty is. He is a tool of the chinese communist government: Remember, they had 5 years to work on him, and he never died, did he?
Now he wants to import a hundred million peasants into the country... to what purpose?
We now have the Democrat(communist party)and the left wing party.
Party on, the country is lost, goodbye.

Puzzled.
A friend asked in a recent email to a discussion list: "With Romney out of the race and McCain far ahead in the delegation count. Will the Conservatives hold their noise and rally against Obama/Clinton or will they stay home in disgust?"

I personally can imagine both, and think both will happen.

If I think I can prevent putting a tax-and-spend out and out socialist in the White House and get someone a little less looney, I will probably try to do that. If I don't think that's going to happen - and I seriously question that right now - my "loyalty to the party", whatever that is, doesn't matter, and my vote for anyone else sends a message. Staying home doesn't, though.

a) I vote for third party or don't vote:
result #1: I get Clinton or Obama
result #2: Republicans wonder why Conservatives didn't vote for McCain.
result #3: Next time, maybe they take conservatives a little more seriously

b) I vote for McCain or don't vote:
result #1: I get Clinton or Obama
result #2: Republicans observe that for all my conservative talk,
I vote for who they tell me to.
result #3: Next time, just like this time, they expect me to do the same.

c) I vote for third party or don't vote:
result #1: I get McCain
result #2: Republicans wonder why Conservatives didn't vote for McCain.
result #3: Next time, they decide they don't need my vote

d) I vote for McCain or don't vote:
result #1: I get McCain
result #2: Republicans observe that for all my conservative talk,
result #3: Next time, just like this time, they expect me to do the same.

#1 what is the probability of McCain beating the Democratic candidate?
#2 how badly do I want a Republican party that is distinguishable from the Democratic party?
#3 how much do I believe that the Republican Party cares in the least what I think.

What you need to understand...
is that neither the Republican nor the Democrat party are conservative.

Conservatism has been silent for so long that we now have the liberal in control of nearly every part of government. From local planning commissions to the Supreme court and all the courts in between the liberals have a serious strangle hold on our law. This country will not survive with a liberal court that legislates from the bench.

Hopefully McCain will nominate many conservative candidates to the Supreme court or maybe he will only nominate a few. But we all know Hussein or Hillary will nominate no conservatives. We must vote for McCain. We are captives of years of inaction by the conservative movement.

What's One Speech?
What's one speech compared to a long record? I don't believe a word of it -- nothing but campaign promises to appease those who put talk above action.

I'm not a Republican and I have no interest in ensuring the continuing existence of the Republican party. I'm a social conservative, a fiscal conservative, and a strict-construction Constitutionalist.

McCain's one virtue in this election is that his patriotism and honor will not permit America to suffer another humiliating defeat in war. Other that that, he's as much a statist and "living-constitution" nut as Hillary or Obama.

Oddly, McCain's one virtue in the election is the same as Hillary's one virtue -- because I do not believe that her personal pride would permit her to allow America to be humiliated in defeat.

So what does any purely nominal difference in party affiliation matter? Only this, ...

If Hillary is in the White House her statist policies will be opposed by the Republicans in Congress while McCain's statist policies would be promoted. As a practical matter, true conservatives would end up suffering more under McCain than under Hillary as long as we can keep a close Congress.

I would never vote for Hillary. But I have no obligation to vote for McCain when he in no way represents my views and denies the principles of government that I hold most sacred.

If Republicans block Hillary's statist agenda, then, in 4 years, they may give me a chance to vote for a conservative. If McCain wins heaven only knows how long we'll have the liberal/statist party and the other liberal/statist party.

Conservatives have to do what politicians won't -- look at the long term consequences of their decisions.

to Mc or not to Mc -that is the question
About 9 months ago, before any of the primaries were held and the campaign was still in start-up mode, I was not certain which of the Republicans I would support. I liked a little of Fred, a little of Rudy, a little of Mitt, a little bit of Mike and yes, even a little of Ron. There was 1 candidate, however that I vowed I would not support under any circumstances - John Mc. Even if I agreed with him on all other issues, which I don't, I could never support any candidate that doesn't believe in the First Amendment.

Even though it is a hopeless gesture, I will vote for Ron Paul in my state's upcoming primary. However, I know that with Mc now as the inevitable nominee, I will be faced with the choice of the bad or the really bad in the general election. I could never vote for Obama or her highness, so my choice is either to hold my nose and vote for Mc or sit this one out. I have decided that my choice will hinge on who MC's VP nominee is. Since Mc is in his early 70's I think it is unlikely that he would be more than a 1 term President and therefore his VP would be the likely front runner in 2012.

I'm anxiously awaiting his choice.


McCain and the Long War on Islamofascism
It seems to me that primary reason to vote for him that McCain has given people is his readiness to prosecute the Long War on Islamofascism.

Given his love affair with the Main-Stream Media, what do you think will happen when he starts being roundly criticized in the MSM over his prosecution of the LWOI? Do you think he will soldier on in the face of this criticism, or will he seek to regain his favorable headlines?

I can't say, but given the man's history, I do not simply assume that he will an aggressive Commander-in-Chief.

A house divided cannot stand
The Republican Party is now made up of three separate factions: the moderates, the religious right and true conservatives.

The moderates are the simple-minded wing of the party, too lazy or too stupid to differentiate their thinking from democrats. I guess they’re voting based on name recognition or because they think it’s cool to be a ‘maverick.’

The religious right wants to use the presidency to cement religion with government. That’s a bad idea and not only will it not work, it’s going to backfire. Because they have supported a candidate who’s only real strength is his religious background (Huckabee, of course), they’ve weakened their own party and are now more likely than ever to lose to the Left. Once in power the Left will continue its quest to eradicate any traces of God from government.

True conservatives continue to fight for the ideal candidate: one who will uphold the constitution, keep our country strong economically and militarily, protect the border (and the American taxpayer!) from the illegal alien assault, deal realistically with the world (i.e., not a head-in-the-sand isolationist)… In sum, someone who understands that the only job of president is to protect the interests of the American people.

I don’t yet know how I will ultimately vote but I am sorely tempted to either stay home or vote dem in order to teach a lesson to the moderates and religious right. At least then we will all be united in our unhappiness.

I'm going for
the State general election. I think we need to focus on congressional elections. Can't touch the screen for McCain and sure as heck can't vote for the dem. I am an Independent (became one because of Trent Lott and the spineless pubbies in Congress), I am a Christian. I have no designs to force my God on you CW, or anyone else. Never a moderate. Conservative, yes. McCain is not my candidate. I don't know who McCain's interests are other than McCain.

Teach Who a Lesson?
I have been listening to talk radio lately and I am frustrated with all of those "holier than thou" conservatives who will either stay home or vote for Mrs. Clinton to teach the GOP a lesson. I really doubt that you will get anybody's attention by helping to get an avowed left-wing socialist into the White House. Don't be misled by the latest primary results, Mrs. Clinton will be the Dem nominee. Those Superdelegates are the key and most are "in the pocket" of the Clinton Mafia.

I could understand your stand regarding the slightly left of center McCain candidacy, if it were not for the mentally deranged egotist you will help get into the Presidency. Indeed, if it is Obama, who by some miracle gets the Dem nomination, your "lesson teaching" will not be a disaster. But, if your "cut-off-my-nose-to-spite-my-face" approach allows Mrs. Clinton to sieze power you must assume the responsibility for the disaster we will face.

We have had mentally unstable Presidents in the past and have survived; and we may indeed survive the sociopathic, and probably psychotic, Mrs. Clinton. There is a good chance that she will be utterly incapable of doing long lasting damage because she has no leadership or management skills and no record of ever having accomplished anything of note. But, why take the chance. Mrs. Clinton is NOT just another Dem, her personal view of the ideal society makes communism appear a moderate philosophy.

Please, think about it. McCain will probably serve only a single term, and with a well qualified VP selection we could insure no crazy socialists leading the country for at least the next 8-12 years.

McCain - his last chance to be president
The candidate made that comment - it is selfish and self serving, and is not a reason to vote for him. There must be better reasons, and his ability to capitulate to the liberalss (Democrats) is not that reason. He is a "snake in the grass"
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