Townhall.com, Where Your Opinion Counts
Talk Radio:   Bill Bennett   Mike Gallagher   Dennis Prager   Michael Medved   Hugh Hewitt   
BREAKING NEWS  LeftArrow - Townhall.com : Conservative, Political, Republican   RightArrow - Townhall.com : Conservative, Political, Republican  
Columns, funnies & more in your inbox!
  • Check the boxes and send us your email address to receveive your free newsletter
  • Your daily must-read of conservative columns, cartoons and news. Coulter, Sowell, Krauthammer and more.
  • Townhall.com’s weekly inside scoop on what’s happening behind the scenes in the world of politics. When news breaks, we report.
  • Signup to receive the latest daily Townhall cartoons
Tuesday, November 13, 2007
Pat Buchanan :: Townhall.com Columnist
Is World War III On Hold?
by Pat Buchanan
Vote on It:
Average Vote:
[+] Text [-]
 
Poll
Will the Dems' health care Christmas Present to America be an improvement or detriment to our health care system?


Is a Bush pre-emptive strike on Iran's nuclear enrichment plant at Natanz, or on the Al Quds force of the Revolutionary Guard, a more remote possibility today than it was several weeks ago?

So it would seem.

The latest indication is a candid interview in the Financial Times with Adm. William "Fox" Fallon, head of Central Command, who would be the Tommy Franks of any naval or air war on Iran.

"The Pentagon is not preparing a pre-emptive attack on Iran in spite of an increase in bellicose rhetoric from Washington, according to senior officers," concluded the FT in the lead of its story.

Dealing with Iran is a "challenge," a strike is not "in the offing," Fallon is quoted. His comments, said the Times, "served as a shot across the bows of hawks who argue for imminent action."

"(G)enerally, the bellicose comments" out of Washington "are not particularly helpful," said our CentCom commander. That is naval gunfire directed right across the bow of the West Wing.

For the ranking man in Washington said to be arguing loudest for imminent action is Dick Cheney. And the most "bellicose comments" about Iran coming out of Washington have come from George W. Bush.

Here, again, is Bush at the American Legion Convention:

"Iran ... is the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism. ... Iran funds terrorist groups like Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which murder the innocent and target Israel. ... Iran is sending arms to the Taliban. ... Iran's active pursuit of technology that could lead to nuclear weapons threatens to put a region already known for instability and violence under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust."

Last month, Bush ventured further, "(I)f you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them (Iran) from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon."

If terms like "nuclear holocaust" and "World War III" are not "bellicose rhetoric," what is?

Why might the administration be backing away from war on Iran?

First, Pakistan. With a nation of 170 million with nuclear weapons in a political crisis that could lead to civil war, igniting a war with Iran would seem suicidal -- especially with the war in Iraq about to enter its sixth year this spring and the war in Afghanistan about to enter its seventh year next month.

Second, there is no guarantee U.S. air strikes could denuclearize Iran, except temporarily. Bombs cannot destroy knowledge. And Iran has been gaining knowledge for years on how to enrich uranium. Moreover, Iran has surely secreted away many of the centrifuges it has constructed, far from the Natanz plant -- ground zero -- where 2,000 or 3,000 are said to be operating.

Third, no one can predict where an attack on Iran will lead. While the United States could smash all known nuclear facilities, Iran could ship IEDs, sniper rifles and surface-to-air missiles into Afghanistan and Iraq, and send in thousands of Revolutionary Guard and cause chaos in the Gulf that would double or treble the price of oil, setting off a worldwide recession. Sleeper cells could retaliate for Iranian casualties with suicide bombings at U.S. malls.

We went into Iraq and Afghanistan without an exit strategy. In Iran, other than the naval and air strikes of the first weeks, we do not know how or where the war would go. We do know the Iranians have been preparing surprises.

Fourth, Congress seems to have found its voice, and 30 senators have written to inform President Bush that he does not have the authority, absent an Iranian attack on U.S. forces, to launch a war on Iran. While Rudy Giuliani and John McCain remain hawkish, the Democratic candidates are moving in the other direction.

Fifth, there has been a downturn in roadside attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq, suggesting Iran may no longer be supplying the enhanced IEDs. And U.S. forces have released several Iranians held captive in Iraq. There may be progress behind the scenes, as both countries could suffer horribly in a war.

We are not out of the woods yet. If Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is telling the truth about those 3,000 centrifuges working perfectly, Iran could have the nuclear material for a single bomb in a year. The International Atomic Energy Agency reports this month on whether Iran is meeting its commitments to come clean. It is not. And the European Union will report on whether the sanctions have succeeded, or failed. And the latter is the case.

And there are those in Tehran who would relish U.S. strikes, to unite the nation against us and consolidate the mullahs' power.

Nevertheless, the forces against war now and for negotiations with Tehran -- Condi Rice, Robert Gates, the Pentagon brass, the most outspoken of the retired military and NATO Europe -- seem to be gaining the ascendancy in the last great battle of the Bush presidency.

And the War Party, which began its propaganda offensive around Labor Day, seems to have shot its bolt. For now.

Share:
Vote on It:
Average Vote:
 
About The Author
Pat Buchanan is a founding editor of The American Conservative magazine, and the author of many books including State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America .
 
TOWNHALL DAILY: Be the first to read Pat Buchanan's column. Sign up today and receive Townhall.com daily lineup delivered each morning to your inbox.
 
©Creators Syndicate
WW III has already started
There is one enemy who across the whole world has declared war on the rest of us. They call it "jihad".

London New York London Washington Brazil
Madrid Indonesia Darfur Somalia Iraq
Nigeria Philipines Chechnya Afghanistan Gaza
Lebanon . . .

Same enemy, same goals, same war.

Not from nothin'
but wiping out those centrifuges would put a serious dent in Iran's program. Those devices are not easily replaced and a concerted effort to block their replacement could be arranged.

Either that, or suffer the long-term consequences of a nuclear Iran. Crazy people with a nuke are a serious threat. The Soviets may have wacky, but they weren't stupid.

Pat doesn't take threats very seriously
Gee, Pat, maybe you don't take threats to YOUR family seriously, but most of us take threats to ours VERY seriously. How many threats do you want to ignore and allow to grow? Unless you don't BELIEVE a nuclear Iran is a threat, in which case that would seem awfully obtuse on your part.

If America had always taken your isolationist pacifist attitude, we'd be speaking Japanese now. And I gotta tell you...I won't look good in a burqa.

The War is on
The War is ‘on’ and the fact that we may 'see the need' to strike Iran, strategically or otherwise, and then spend the rest of our lives watching them is proof enough.

Meanwhile, China and the rest of the planet will surpass us in every aspect of life except rhetoric.

With Arab blessing, he will strike.
Given the turmoil in Pakistan, any attack by us on Iran would fuel rage among Pakistanis, who'd view it as a hostile act against their muslim brothers(Yes, I fully understand immediately after 9/11, Iran offered to assist us in going after Pakistan's Taliban..but that was long ago and the hostility between Taliban and Iran no longer exists).

I believe Bush has concluded any attack by us on Iran would increase the rage on the muslim street(in Pakistan and elsewhere)toward the United States. In Pakistan, the rage would translate into increasing the possibility Musharraf falls from power(what would happen with Pakistan's nukes?).

However, Arab states may tell Bush if Iran develops nukes, they will be forced to develop them too.

Under that scenario, with the "silent blessing" of Arab states in supporting either a U.S. or Israeli strike on Iran's nuke program, Bush may still opt to strike.

Only the shadow knows.

What a mess.

The Muslim street is not interested in the free expression of dissenting views, which would have to include the freedom to criticize the Prophet Mohammad and even the Qu'ran itself.

How likely is that happen? Even kool-aid drinkers must conclude not so likely.

When Bush asserts muslims will embrace "democracy" and "freedom", he fails fundamentally to understand that to them, those ideas have radically different meanings and definitions than those he has in mind.

Buchanan = "Neville Chamberlain"

of our day!

Typical myopic view of reality!





Embarassing Hysteria
The widespread hysteria amongst my fellow conservatives engineered by the neo-conservatives is rather embarassing and makes us look immature. Shills like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh and ideological loose cannons like Norman Podhoretz and Michael Ledeen have spooked millions of conservatives of shallow, inchoate intelligence. The Middle East is a backwater, its only resource being the oil under its soil. Radical Islam has little power to do much more than the occasional terror bombing.

The conservative policy with regards to the Middle East should be to virtually quarantine the region. The only resource that should be allowed out of the Middle East is its oil. The militaries of the West should disengage in Middle East and come home. The sons and daughters of Islam residing in Europe and America should be shuttled home to their world of religious fervor and economic destitution. Islam is a cancer that can only kill Western Christian civilization.

Derek Leaberry: "Radical Islam has

little power to do much more than the occasional terror bombing."

Gee, I'm so glad to hear that. And you would KNOW this, how?

I think Chamberlain said pretty much the same thing about the Nazis.... or did you not study that in school either?






Joyce
America did have an isolationist viewpoint prior to Dec 7, 1941. The term was "Fortress America" and the national sympathy was to let the Europeans fight their war and trade with the winners. The president helped the Brits but it was illegal and had to be done under the table. By staying out of the war, it is estimated that the war was three years longer and caused much more suffering, privation and death. We must face this threat head on, and it is a threat. I find it disconcerting to hear the war drums beating so loudly from DC but they are right to sound the alarm. If we attack Iran, we must be prepared for the consequences and it comes down to this: do we want a concerted effort by terrorists now, with IEDs and suicide bombing or do we want to wait a decade or so until Ahmadinejad can arm them with dirty bombs or nukes? It's one or the other. The really lousy part is that Iran will move towards us in the future, given the status quo. Any attack will destroy that shift in the youth of Iran. Derek is wrong- the ME is a *hithole but it is one with unlimited money to buy whatever they want and the power to demand access to their desires.

Anne
I don't think that Pat is totally naive about Iran. He is so distrustful towards Bush and Co. that his doubts overshadow everything he writes. He is correct in noting that the rhetoric towards Iran has decreased in the last week or two. I was also alarmed by the beating of the drums over the last few months. Pat is incorrect in calling Iraq or Afghanistan wars; they are occupations. By his reckoning we would still be at war with Germany, Japan , Korea and in the Balkans. He would do better to stick to his premise or even admit the progress being made in Iraq rather than lobbing out the "no exit strategy" junk. The exit strategy is to win, beat the bad guys and set up a competent government. Tha takes time.

It is NOT WW3 but WW1 !!!
By any and all measures, the world has been fighting World War 1 for 1500 years now, ever since Islam was founded when a psychotic, brain addled, pedophilic tribal chieftain managed to win some battles. Islam has been at war with EVERYONE since.

Where?
The most serious terror attack on American soil was when Islamics used our own planes against us. That will not likely happen again. Otherwise, Islamic terror attacks have been limited to a few bombings. The scope of Islamic terror is slight, the victims have been few, and no nation-state that has experienced terror attacks from the Islamics has been overthrown. Islam only threatens Western Civilization by its enormous birth rate advantage, most of the West having degenerating into a culture of death(abortion, birth control and the like).

As for the facile Neville Chamberlain mantra that half-educated nitwits like Sean Hannity blurt out on the radio, people who toss around Chamberlain's name should at least read up on European history of the 1930s. The lack of resolve in dealing with Hitler was more the fault of the French governments of the 30s(which could have squashed Hitler in 1936) and the hapless British Prime Minister Stanley Baldwin, Chamberlain's predecessor. By 1938, the new British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain was dealt a poor hand. Of course, I am sure educated young ladies like Anne know that.

For a worthwhile read understanding the situation in Europe in the 30s and Neville Chamberlain's role in that time period, I suggest William Manchester's "Last Lion- Alone", Manchester's masterful work on Churchill in the 30s. For those who can not read or are too lazy to read, I guess you will have to receive your information from the brain dead who fill up the air waves of television and radio.

Derek
They tried to attack a shopping mall a few years back. They did it in "middle America" to let us know that they can get us anywhere. They set off a bomb under the WTC in 93. They have had many plots foiled recently- some we know about and some we do not know about- Fort Dix, the fuel pipeline, etc. Let me tell you, they think we are soft and they are dead wrong. I have a CCW permit expressly to pop Ahmed in the chest when he starts stuff st the mall. I'll bet the house I won't be the only one, either. So spare me the "bogey man" bull- Chamberlain was dealing with a nation-state, not a fanatical, suicidal movement bent on world domination. They aim to kill or subject us- they have said so openly. The so-called moderate muslims have said nothing. Silence=tacit approval. This is what the moderate Germans did in the late 30's, if you want to compare to those times.

Yeah right, Derek
Hundreds of millions of Muslims worldwide are the sworn enemies of the West and the U.S. They are fanatically dedicated to the total destruction of modern civilization and canNOT ever be negotiated with. This is a FACT. Yet, weenies such as yourself pooh pooh this threat as non existent or impotent. Sorry, pal, I got a family and country to defend. Stay out of the way!

Bellicose - but true
Pat,
President Bush's comments may be bellicose as you characterize them, but you do not refute a single one of those comments because they are true. I hope Adm. Fallon is playing "rope a dope" with his comments. You can be sure of this - as has been reported in the press recently, the military has plans on the shelf for taking out the Iranian nuclear facilities. It is also likely there are plans written to decapitate the Iranian beast and wipe out any naval power it may possess as well as the most dangerous segments of the Iranian military. Believe me, it would be impossible to disperse those assets enough to prevent our taking them out in fairly short order if we choose to do so. The Muslim fanatics only respect power and if we fail to use it, they will continue to disrespect us and attack us at will. Now is the time to put an end to this madness. If not us, who? If not now, when? Let's Roll!!!

Bellicose - but true
Pat,
President Bush's comments may be bellicose as you characterize them, but you do not refute a single one of those comments because they are true. I hope Adm. Fallon is playing "rope a dope" with his comments. You can be sure of this - as has been reported in the press recently, the military has plans on the shelf for taking out the Iranian nuclear facilities. It is also likely there are plans written to decapitate the Iranian beast and wipe out any naval power it may possess as well as the most dangerous segments of the Iranian military. Believe me, it would be impossible to disperse those assets enough to prevent our taking them out in fairly short order if we choose to do so. The Muslim fanatics only respect power and if we fail to use it, they will continue to disrespect us and attack us at will. Now is the time to put an end to this madness. If not us, who? If not now, when? Let's Roll!!!

Islam
The only way Islam can dominate the world is by migrating to the West and using democracy to take over large swathes of Europe and America. And they are succeeding in parts of Europe due to the naivety and democratic ideology of the European left and many on the "right" and by the confidence of the crib that Islam has and the West does not.

Do not blame me for the current situation in the West. I have six children so I can outbreed Islamics. I have done my civilizational duty. I advocate rounding up Islamics from Detroit to Londonistan to Rotterdam to Malmo to Copenhagen and sending them back to the squalid land of their ancestors. Sadly, most Westerners, even many who call themselves "conservative", are not willing to advocate radical resettlements of Islamics.

The Islamic world has little to no worth military power. The only way for Islam to dominate the West is if the West continues its death wish. The West, which is responsible for almost everything that is good in the history of the world, will have to regenerate itself morally or die.

Iran


50,000 soldiers and marines died in your "just war" in Vietnam Pat. You are a true phony. Why don't you post on moveon.org instead.

CVN65
Speaking of WWII. What did Hitler find out about fighting too many fronts?

Moderate muslims weren't silent, its just not something we are going to hear about as much in the media. You do remember that a quarter million people marched in Tehran opposing the attacks of 9/11. Funny Tehran also offered to help us with Afghanistan and we answered their diplomatic offers by calling them the Axis of Evil and then invaded one of the other countries in the "Axis".

Then we attack a country that has nothing to do with 9/11 and threaten another for an upcoming war. Why should a Muslim trust us. They seem to know our history in the Middle East much better than we do.

Yes terrorists exist, but not learning the lessons of WW II and fighting a much broader war than we should will prove very harmful to us. People like Kristol and company want their War of Civilizations and if you read their works and influences you would know why. A good way to start is by doing exactly what my screen name says.

Japanese
Joyce:

You wouldn't be speaking Japanese. The Japanese had no desire (or capacity) to take over the US. What it wanted was to create the so-called East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere. In response to Japan's incursion into northern Indo-China, the US and the other major oil exporters cut off all oil exports to Japan as well as other strategic materials. As a result Japan would have run out of oil no later that 1943. There was oil nearby, in the NEI but moving on the NEI would have caused the US to declare war on Japan with an intact fleet in Hawai'i and American forces on Japan's flank pointing toward Japan like a dagger in the Philippines--only a few hundred miles from Japan's most southern island--Formosa.

Talks between the US and Japan went nowhere and as Japan saw that war was unavoidable, it didn't want the US to have those assets in the Philippines and Hawai'i--thus 12/7/1941 and the rest as they say is history.

Good thing you aren't forced to learn Japanese though. For an English speaker, it is the most difficult language (along with Korean) to learn.


One more thing
Oh and Joyce:

The US did basically take such a attitude toward Japan and to a lesser extent to Germany.

In the build up to the war, the US did little to stop Japan in China. It did cut off gasoline exports to Japan over 87 octane and certain metal alloys used to make airfoils after Japan bombed Shanghai in 1937, but the US didn't get tough with Japan until 1941 when Japan entered Indochina. It did move assets from the west coast to Hawai'i in an attempt to intimidate the Japanese, but like the Great White Fleet more than a generation before, it didn't have this effect.

US policy toward Japan in the 1930s is the same policy that Pat wants the US to follow with Iran today. Basically the US didn't lift a finger to stop Japan's expansion until 1941 and by then it was too late and the limited attempts to do so only pushed Japan to war with the United States.




Google
And preemptive war didn't work out too well for my friends in Japan either.

And Runner:

It was a just war and a war that could have been won at least on the same level as the US won in Korea. But John Kerry, VWAW, the media and the US Congress made sure that didn't happen. The media turned Tet into a defeat when if the US had followed up, it would have been the beginning of the end--the Viet Cong was totally wiped out after Tet and the NVA from their own admission said that if the US had kept up the pressure they would have been forced to the peace table.

Also, be reminded that the US let its allies simply rot in the south when it basically turned tail and ran. Not exactly peace with honor.


Apollospeaks
The actions of President Bush confirm my points.

With all his sanctimonious lectures to the world about democracy, notice he is not calling for the ouster of Musharraf in Pakistan due to the general's arresting of political opponents, and members of Pakistan's judiciary.

Your quite limited abilities to analyze events may induce you to term my humble observations as "babble", but if the Arab street is so supportive of our president, why does Osama bin Laden poll so much higher than Bush?

Allowing these folks to vote is a recipe for disaster, as was evidenced in Hamas' victory in Palestinian elections, significant increase in Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt's parliament due to recent elections, and rise of Hezbollah in Lebanon.

Perhaps it is you who may suffer from a confused mindset that is reduced to blind support for this president, induced with copious libations of kool-aid, which only will create an impenetrable fog surrounding what constitutes your anemic brain activity...preventing logic and objectivity from entering.

But, no one is beyond hope. There is always a chance that even you may one day stumble upon a cogent thought.

Derek Leabelly
I agree about Islam.

Not only Bush, but many others are totally confused in thinking muslims want what we in the west define as "freedom" and "democracy".

They will use our failure to understand them against us.

I do not necessarily favor rounding up all of the ones in the west, and sending them to muslim nations.

But for those here, I do believe the onus is on THEM to demonstrate that unlike most of their brethren, they understand and value tolerance, respect for dissent.

Islam is still out there in the 8th century. A few of its "progressives" are in the 15th century...but that's about it.

Bush's prattle about their embracing democracy(as we understand it), is part of the problem.

Jerebaub and Derek
Leftist idiots! Go post your drivel on Kos! Take Pat with you!

true conservative
so much for conservative values like free speech huh.

you put your fingers in your ears and go lalalala
rather than hear or discuss any dissenting opinions.

Fallon should keep his mouth shut
We don't pay him to say to the public what's politically "helpful" or not with Iran. Not his job. That's what we pay the president and his senior appointees for.

If he wants to be the president, and set US policy on Iran, Fallon is free to retire and run for the job.

Maybe he was misquoted or taken out of context.

As others have noted, the question here is not whether Iran poses the threats cited by administration officials (Buchanan refutes none of the claims), but whether and when we should take action. The difference is not in interpretation of the threat, but in interpretation of whether it's actionable.

There's a whole universe of unspoken premises behind Buchanan's insistence on a higher threshold for action than others may prefer. When he does occasionally speak his premises, they seem to boil down to: (a) we should always wait to be attacked before doing anything about a threat; and (b) if anyone wants to attack us, that's our fault anyway.

TrueConservative!
I applaud your command of the English language. By the way, I've probably been a political conservative before you were even born. I'm conservative enough to realize what a fraudulent conservative George W. Bush is.

dyerje
as usual you make some sense but it is the president who has given the military political say so over our mid-east policy.

whether it is because he has no credibility with the american people or just doesn't know what to do , every decision he makes starts with the premise that the commanders have the decision making levers.

Apollospeak, and other dear friends.
I wish to extend an apology to Apollospeaks for my intemperate remarks on 11:33 post.

I have been slightly out of sorts for the past few days, due to a rather strict diet I imposed upon myself. Need to lose about 20 lbs. And perhaps my generally foul mood resulting from the lack of food intake, resulted in this vulgar display.

I am sure Apollospeaks is a man of honor, and cares about our nation. We disagree on a few matters, but my lame attempts at insulting the fine gentleman were ill-advised, and for that, I am sorry.

It is just that at this point in my life, I no longer suffer fools gladly.

Mind you, my dear friend Apollospeaks is no fool...but in my humble estimation, some of his remarks are foolish.

One man, one vote, one time
Jerabaub:

"Allowing these folks to vote is a recipe for disaster, as was evidenced in Hamas' victory in Palestinian elections, significant increase in Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt's parliament due to recent elections, and rise of Hezbollah in Lebanon."

Exactly. Also remember the FIS in Algeria who were about to take control of the country by winning the second stage of the election when the army stepped in and stopped it. When the State Department spokesman was asked by the media why the US supported this undemocratic coup by the military, the spokesman responded that the US didn't support one man, one vote, one time.


Apology
Jerabaub:

No need...seemed very mild to me.

If he thinks that at this point democracy in say Saudi Arabia or Pakistan would in fact bring the desired results the US seeks then he is a blind fool.


Akagi
I appreciate the fact that you also have some understanding that establishing "democracy" and "free elections" in a part of the world that to a large extent has yet to develop the traditions of tolerance, and respect for dissent, that undergird the democratic process will NOT serve either our interests, nor the interests of a true democracy.

Screeching hate
and intense fear. Those are the main attributes of the Republican party of today. You folks need to grow a pair.

-peace

CVN65: I agree in as much as Buchanan

should stick to the progress being made in Iraq. And I also agree that the “no exit strategy” is just stupid. Anyone who doesn’t realize that “winning’ is the only exit strategy has no clue.

However, what I do totally disagree with you on is “…calling Iraq or Afghanistan wars; they are occupations.”

The United States has NEVER occupied another country… not ever. When one country “occupies” another country then it means the “occupying country” controls the government and the country as a whole, such as what Russia did after it invaded Afghanistan in Dec. 1979.

When we went into Iraq it was to get rid of Saddam and his WMD, and we immediately set about helping the Iraqis set up THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT. That, in no way qualifies us as “occupier.”

I know Pelosi and reid like to use that term… a lot… but it is totally incorrect.

WWIII on hold?
Let's hope so. This war is absolutely pointless. I can't believe these Conservatives who talk about winning. You're not going to win because the problem is not terrorism in and of itself. It's religious fanaticism. Having a military presence in the Middle East isn't going to change that.

Remember the "DNRR List" :-)
.

Japan
If the US has never occupied another country why do I have some things made in pre-1952 Japan that say "Made in Occupied Japan." I wonder who were occupying it? Oh how about Okinawa that the Americans didn't leave (formally--they are really still there) until 1972. How about Germany? The Philippines--which they fought a bloody war bordering on a war of extermination in the South of the country right after the Spanish-American War known as the Filipino-American War.

Oh and then there is Cuba which the US didn't leave until 1904. The Panama Canal Zone, Haiti for 20 odd years, and the list goes on and on.


ww 3
iraq has proven the islamists know how to win the p/r war. They haved framed the argument that any attack on a muslim country is the same as an attack on the only only thing that has value in that part of the world. Their blood cult that passes as their religion is the only commodity of value and millions will fight and die to avenge any predeived attack. Better to lay in a stockpile of cruise missles that can taken out strategic targets than risk soldiers on the ground. These islamists have won the hearts and minds of the people. Our best course of action is to prevent them from exporting their killers. The problem is they believe they are destined to rule the world and will sacrifice millions of their own to achieve that goal. Our problem is to we have the will to fight the type of war necessary to defeat the islamists, which will entail forcing massive casualties on the enemy we are facing

If Hillary won't bomb, Bush will
Pat Buchanan says: "While Rudy Giuliani and John McCain remain hawkish, the Democratic candidates are moving in the other direction."

That actually makes it MORE likely that Bush will order a military strike against Iran. He has said he will not allow Iran to have nuclear weapons. If he perceives that some Democrats who are dovish on Iran are likely to win the White House in the next election, Bush will strike Iran before they take over in January 2009.


for Derek Leaberry
Derek Leaberry writes: "The conservative policy with regards to the Middle East should be to virtually quarantine the region."

FYI, in international law, a blockade counts as an act of war. And the only way to "virtually quarantine" a country is with such a blockade by both air and sea.

So you're going to end up at war against these Muslim states anyway.

for dyerje
dyerje writes: "Fallon should keep his mouth shut....Maybe he was misquoted"

Nope, Pat is accurate.
Here's what Fallon said. From the Financial Times interview:

[A strike on Iran] "is not in the offing.
“None of this is helped by the continuing stories that just keep going around and around and around that any day now there will be another war which is just not where we want to go.
“Getting Iranian behaviour to change and finding ways to get them to come to their senses and do that is the real objective. Attacking them as a means to get to that spot strikes me as being not the first choice in my book.”

http://tinyurl.com/27539v

Sounds like he is putting his foot down and opposing any military strike at this time.

Clueless
I always chuckle when I see Anne describe people as clueless, when she constantly proves that it is she who fits that description. For example:

"we immediately set about helping the Iraqis set up THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT"

No, we immediately set up the CPA, and, after Bush found Garner to be too objective, named Bremer as his chief puppet. Bremer proceeded to set up Bremer's rules, which helped spur the insurgency as well as being economic and security disasters.
Bush was opposed to elections, but succumbed to Ayatollah Al-Sistani because he needed the Shiite support to counter the Sunni insurgency.
The elections were not based on any provincial representation for a reason. We knew the Kurds would vote in large numbers, even though they were a majority in only three provinces. We needed the Kurds to balance the religious Shiite vote, which controlled about 10 provinces.
The entire structure of the elections was a complete manipulation, as seen by the total incompetence of the government.

Oh Pancho, you do make me laugh!

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

Nice try though! LOL






Way to respond
Anne, in your typically clueless fashion.

Way to counter my specific points with nervous laughter, since you're not up to speed enough actually challenge them.

Utahmoron: You and pancho require

nothing more than a laugh... You have nothing to challenge... because you have nothing!!!!!


No nervous laughter... just laughter at stupidity! LOL








Middle East Quarantine
A Middle East quarantine, Steve, would allow for trade between the Middle East and the rest of the world. However, visas for Middle Easterners not only would no longer be offered but those who have them now and live in the US would have them revoked. The free flow of Middle Easterners to this country would end. Remember, most of those who participated in the Osama bin-Laden terror attacks were in the US on visas and most had several driver's licenses.

The Middle East and Islam is a cancer on the world and should be limited to that cauldron. To allow free passage and immigration into the West is playing with fire.

Anne
I am still waiting for Anne to explain how the US didn't occupy Japan from 1948 until 1952 and Okinawa until 1972, the Philippines from 1898 until 1946 (with a forced intermission from 1942 until 1944 courtesty of the Empire of Japan), Cuba from 1898 until 1904 and on and on and on.

Oh and what the US did in Iraq was just like Japan. The US overthrew the government and then ruled the country as an occupation force under the CPA. What has Anne been smoking?

And Derek:

If you were to do that to those from the Middle East--you might want to add South Asia, much of Southeast Asia to the list as well.


akagi: Is THIS what you're talking about
U.S. assistance to Germany and Japan during the seven years following World War II.

Total U.S. assistance to Japan for 1946-1952 was roughly $15.2 billion in 2005 dollars, of which 77% was grants and 23% was loans. Most of these funds were provided through GARIOA grants. Japan repaid $490 million of the total postwar
assistance. Of the $2.2 billion in total aid, an estimated $655 million, or almost a third, went to categories that would mostly contribute directly to economic recovery (industrial materials, including machinery and raw goods; petroleum and products; and transportation, vehicles, and equipment).

Most of the rest went for agricultural
equipment, foodstuffs, and food supplies with smaller amounts spent on medical and
sanitary supplies, education, and clothing.
U.S. assistance to Germany and Japan largely consisted of food-related aid because of severe war-induced shortages and the need to provide minimum subsistence levels of nutrition. In Iraq, humanitarian aid has been a minor part of the assistance.



I'm sure that this is NOT what you had in mind when you're talking about OCCUPATION, now is it?



SteveL
Thanks for the quote, which actually proves a point to me.

The wording of Fallon's comment suggests he is talking about speculation in the press (like, incidentally, that of Pat Buchanan). NOT about the policy of the president.

A serving military officer is required by his office to refrain from making public "value judgments" on the trend of policy, as established by the civilian leadership. I was concerned that Fallon had gone off the reservation in a very unprofessional way, but I assess that he has not.

You're at liberty to assume that press speculation about a war with Iran is the inevitable result of Bush's policies. But Fallon's actual words don't imply that. He's not saying Bush is creating a situation, he's saying the speculative stories are.

Also of note, Iran knows the difference between rhetoric and diplomacy, and the kind of military build-up the US would have to make to actually wage a major, regime-changing war on Iran. That build-up is not underway. Fallon, of all people, knows it is not.

Powder Puff Solution
If Iran is such a military threat and we must find another way to solve the problem outside of a confrontation by arms, why don't we just challenge them to a high stakes bowling tournament or beach volleyball?

Woody from Iowa
Sign Up to Post Your CommentsSign Up to Post Your Comments
If you are already registered, click here to login. Otherwise, please take a few seconds to register with Townhall.com. Once you sign up, you’ll be able to post your comments immediately, use the action center, get podcasts, and more!
Note: Fields marked with a red asterisk (*) are required.
Salutation:
First Name:
*
Last Name:
*
Email:
*
Nickname:
*
Note: Nick name will be shown when you post comments.
Address 1:
*
Address 2:
City:
*
State:
*
Zip:
*
Phone:
      
Your daily must-read of conservative columns, cartoons and news. Coulter, Sowell, Krauthammer and more.
(Bi-Weekly) We highlight the best opportunities from our partners for surveys, action items and more.